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I think that nano banana models and gpt-image-2 models can bring back, but use credit limits, and refreshes every 12 hours, and everyone gets 100 credit limits starting, and donate for more credits
@silent tree why did u leave 😿
Welcome to the club
lets not talk about that
welcome to the Claude Opus fanclub
New anthropic model today ?
4
7
2
No
GPT Club
How to delete the conversation in the agent mode? no having dot to archived
Prob gonna coast 1 API/kidney
will have a 1.2T param gemini model
free
Really?
3.5 flash is prob 1.2T total params
Yeah
thats the best model they could use for Apple Intelligence ngl
V4 pro thinking of deepseek is 1.6T
Opus 4.7 was over a T too i guess
Didnt loaded
Vpn didnt worked either
what did i miss can anyone give me a quick recap?
Is the bug fixed now???
The team has made some progress, but it doesn't appear to be fully fixed yet. cc @limpid pumice
@echo aurora when will be available most capable (aka - Opus 4.7, ChatGpt-5.5...) models in arena in Direct Chat?
Qwen 3.7 seems goated
i need to edit people to make them like kiss together but i need the faces to stay the same which model is the best for this
It’s crazy because I wouldn’t have picked qwen to be the first to actually rival opus 4.6 in front end
Because it is
Indeed
Yeah #4 is super good
wait api is finally added?
Pineapple can you check dm
#1 DS & Qwen Glazer. Rebrand
WIll do, really busy morning but willt ry to get to everyone when I can
Kk
Hey, in the past week has overall generation speed been getting faster for you guys?
It seems normal to me
It seem to be faster for me, I don't have to refresh the page even
so which is the best model for frontend only frontend matter
Evolution time
same 😭 I have been able to access Arena for the past month with no issues at all (except the common one,but well, a refresh or a new chat solve it all)
Lmaoo
did gemini spark release yet?
Peak
Still opus 4.7 but not by a wide margin
is api added to arena?
which one is the top 2
I haven’t seen. What’s its stealth name?
its a product
Qwen 3.7 max
Ahh
Alright thanks
👍
micron up 20%
That’s actually really cool LOL
What model did you use?
china is so behind lol
Huawei said theyd make 1.4nm chips in 2031 LOL
intel had since 2024
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
China is also making these on worse equipment than any US company
There’s a reason China has blocked Nvidia chips now
Now that they’re actually able to buy
that means nothing 🤣
admitted to being behind by 7+ years
genuinely hilarious IMO
It’s because they believe their hardware is better or a better over time
Sure, they are starting from scratch ofc they will be behind years
They will
lol
Maybe not in full intelligence
But US companies will go bankrupt before any Chinese company
'Something went wrong' error
uhh
Refresh
tysm Lmarena
Max
Deepseek v4 was trained on hauwei chips
no it wasnt
Ah
It was literally said that they were
It was said before it released but it was Nvidia chips nvm
Also, Nvidia won’t be the way for much longer either way
I think AMD will be
worked
Nice
its not like nvidia "wont be the way"
btw daily limit problem is fixed?
there will just be more competition from AMD and intel
Nope
Yea 100% but I think AMD will be better to train on
A 1B parameter model surfaced recently that was trained on AMD and was the best in the 1B and 2B categories
what is the daily limit amount
You could say datasets but I think hardware has a big reason there
I have no clue honestly
I just don’t use arena enough to know
oh k
Great Max model
will ever arena be a subscription based platform
I also used it to create a PS1 emulator.
noooooo
It's an alternative for poor people like me
or ppl that cant pay for ai model(have the money but cant)
It's an alternative for poor people like me
Absolutely not. Their entire brand is on being free
try my ps1 system em
So tell me if I’m wrong but I think the Roaring_waters 1 and 2 is Deepseek 4.1
Stealth name would make sense lol
But also is insane at front end
I had already picked it over opus 4.6
GLM i think
I know it’s an earlier generation but it’s not much of a downgrade from 4.7
That would really make sense too
deepseek is only focused on multimodality rn im pretty sure
thats the main thing v4 pro is missing
i believe that at some point a qwen or glm model will be better than all opus model at frontend
would be cool
only frontend
nah
because they all distill from opus
Chinese models are unpredictable so I really couldn’t guess which one would be
they train too from other thing it cant be 100% distillation
but yeah
i mean opus is the trainer model
You can distill from already made datasets
Absolutely
yeah but was talking about frontend
its closer than it used to be
try my ps1 system em
opus is the clear best lol
The thing that opus has always had that’s different from everyone is its personality
honestly not by much at frontend
Anthropic tries to make it sound as human as possible l
zero shot frontend vs editing frontend
Alright
its very different when actually using these tools in a codebase
True that
Always good to check your own work with these models and not go off of someone else’s opinion
x ai will soon release a new big model too then in few month a 5t one
now its 1.5 t
that will be release
Gotta hope it will be good. They have been improving grok for a while now
Very quickly too
it wont be good
let's see
right now its honestly a small model that is being used
i dont have google out but they need to get their head in the game rn
nothing you can compare to a 5t one
they arent traning a 5T one rn
also xai doesnt have good enough data
elon even said evals look "good" not the best
grok 4 was the best in a lot metrics
now they lost everything
I mean it cost nothing to just wait and see, all i say is that the next model will be much larger
and its a fact
i didn't know this
but then why they say their model right now is smaller ?
even smaller than 1.5t
efficiency
Xai will buy cursor
yeah so they trained a completely new one from scratch ?
true
3rd best coding model right now
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i think rate limit is now removed
i checked and i don't find any thing related to RateLimit in console
What makes you say that?
@echo aurora now you tell the real truth
limit removed or still there
as per testing only i don't want to waste my limit so i just check logs
Hi

Limits were not removed
just want to know ans
obv they didnt remove rate limits
secret gemini 3.1 pro imagegen technique
DeepseekV4 pro is the best AI... because its context window is absurdly cohernet and seems to go on forever.
no context rot
No it aint
its 1 million context
please i beg you to put gpt 2 image and gemini again in direct mode
why is the image stretched lol
costs to much
why do i feel like opus is coming back next month
cuz it is since credit system
life was so good when we had it
is there like a option to buy premium to fix this?
nope
nope
i only gave it 1 prompt and already limit
i used sonet 4.6 to make me a game
Use battle mode
use qwen 3.7 max
i need a game with 3d models sonet was good for that haha
-# don't make games in one prompt on arena. or at least use agent mode
Claude Sonnet is under a lot of pressure; try using another model.
i think agent mode is even gonna hit the limit faster haha
You are right, its 1M. But it still feels like 2M and never gets context rot or slowdown.
Just remember. When they reach AGI, you're not invited to the party.
Everything will be paid, and that's frustrating for poor people like me who rely on free models.
America will be the first to reach it, but I think China has the ability to reach it after America.
YEAAAAAAAAAAH
Guys, what is the best model in the field of photo generation in Lmarena right now?
gpt 2
lesgooooo
how to summon him then\
@echo aurora
Thanks bro ❤️!
Take care!!!
what
Nothing arena just got fixed!
When will Gemini 3 Pro Image Preview 2K be returned?😭😭
But it doesnt add up. If AGI is paid, then fine, but if it refuses the prompt "go on the internet and make me X amount of money " then why pay for it. If it does do that then everyone can subscribe for a day, make money and it pays for itself perpetually.
when will we get the credit system
THANK YOU
We don't have an estimated timeframe for that, or if it'll happen either. We'll have to wait for the new usage to see.
im excited
Don't have an ETA
AGI becomes the UBI.
Alright, is it already on canaryarena.ai or nah
uhm
i just solved UBI
I got bamboozled by gpt
or the UI
So btw (following the DM) I can make it on my own?
either way
bamboozled
my arena Account got deleted by my mistake can you please help
Nope
@echo aurora
Can u do something to this?
I mean it's my main email I used to chat?..
It's giving same...
Or ur fixing something!!!
Doesn't look like you're logged in.
I am logged in
<no
Should I send u screen record
hey pineapple
I never understood if arena.ai pays for inference of if it's provided/financed thanks/by the conversations/battles
Pineapple?
Can you use the #1343291835845578853 channel?
Okay 👌
Maybe soon we will get Arena CLI
Find a similar post and share your problem there.
🔥
If on the website, sadly not
Sorry to say if an account is deleted there isn't a feature that'll un-delete it.
When arena was affected by bug, I deleted this email but now if ur saying arena is now fixed...
After I login to by main email...
It show same as I can't login in..
(I mean same login page)
wtf does one do to get it deleted 😭
but please try to add this feature in future so it can be un-deleted
lol
I deleted this email
This is likely being caused by deleting your account.
Whaaaattt
It may happen, I can't say I'm aware of this idea being planned in the short term.
No, I mean I am using 2nd email, I even deleted it but I can still login in as fresh account!!!
Please don't say that u delete me?🥀
whats the difference between qwen 3.7 max preview and qwen 3.7 max
Lets take this conversation to #1343291835845578853. I'd like to avoid troubleshooting in #general
Apologies brother
It's no problem! I am sorry you're getting a login bug.
I created a thread🧵, I wish 🙏 u will help a little!
is that problem with blank answers after 5-6 prompts fixed?
Use qwen3.7 max
Preview is the initial model for testing!
Qwen 3.7 max is the final product!
Yes, we rolled out a fix about an hour ago
hooray
after 5-6 prompts
Would note the bug we were seeing wasn't just after 5-6 prompts, we were seeing reports on the first turn.
what was the problem? or it was a test of a new credit system?
Hey @median ember I'm going to delete that message as it has your email in it, we wouldn't want others to have access to that here. Would note that some temporary email addresses are not usable, this is why you're getting that error.
I registered with my email address a year ago. Now it won't let me log in because it's a temporary email address.
Yeah unfortuantely, that email is no longer going to work.
If I give you my current Gmail address, could you transfer my old account there?
I won't be going into the specifics, but it took us awhile to figure it out. The team is going to have a post modern to look at why this took so long to spot the fix.
Sorry to say we don't have a feature that'd be able to support this.
Thank you for everything. I'm currently logged in with Gmail and I'm very happy with the current situation. I'd like to thank Arena AI and your excellent support team.
Thank you, I really appreciate that.
@echo aurora Advertising
test
3
6
But it doesnt add up. If AGI is paid, then fine, but if it refuses the prompt "go on the internet and make me X amount of money " then why pay for it. If it does do that then everyone can subscribe for a day, make money and it pays for itself perpetually. AGI becomes the UBI. i just solved UBI
brah
AGI ain't gonna work like that
you should be able to figure that out yourself
if you can't
ask Gemini or gpt or Claude to explain the fallacies that are going on in there
Why are Gemini and Chat GPT no longer available for images?
made a thread instead
Whenever using Qwen 2.0 Pro 2026 4 22 model, it always come with this error Something went wrong while generating the response. Please try again. Trace ID: :9485511e-d2ba-, only this model having trouble
same with claude etc
yea i already knew that really, i was being ironical. Because what i actually expect to happen is that it wont accept the prompt, and AGI wont deliver the value it demands in the subscription pricing.
Then people will take their money elsewhere, where its likely to generate more wealth, and the AI industry would collapse under its own weight.
I dont have trouble using others, for me right here, just the qwen
because they are fedup with paying billions of dollars for random kids to generate images of pokeymon on thier enterprise grade GPUS.
Wait the message is gone?
what?
works fine for me
When agent mode in battle mode ?
mine stuck here
after that tracking message
I just wanna say thank you devs for fixing the site, no matter how much we complained lol
unless it's still not working
i just realized that the removed image gen models can still be used using max (removed models are never supposed to affect max per pineapple)
this is image 2 btw, image 1.5 would look similar but a bit worse while the image 1 models would look completely different
Its not devs fault for creating a buggy bug, its the provider error
Ok
is it right that i cant upload php files
2025 🙏
Does mai not support image edit?
Just Text-to-Image
Man it’s crazy seeing the giant leap from nano banana and gpt image
GPT image is very good but I don’t think it’s that insanely better
Unfortunate
Checking with the team on it though
I'm surprised qwen managed to beat opus 4.6 non thinking
Very nice, thanks!
That’s what I was saying, out of all of the Chinese models I wouldn’t have guessed qwen
I think Alibaba has abandoned its main business of running its online store.😂
In my opinion, it can achieve even more than this and surpass Opus 4.6 Thinking Mode and GPT 5.4 Pro.
what do u think is different about it
who
Not again
Got em
ever eaten a natural banana, fresh from its plant?
6
8
2
no
Why I can't make unlimited videos
Hi
We have reasonable rate limits in place for sustainability purposes. Offering unlimited free AI video generation isn't something we can feasibly support.
I love this diagram but I would love to see another line showing the average across maybe the top 5 models?
since the diagram basically shows all the info you need in such a simple way
so having another line which shows the average performance of the top 5 or 3 models would be a great comparison
This is a great idea! I'll share with the team.
Is the bug fixed completely?
Yes
1800 currently
🤷♂️
We don't have this limit currently displayed. Part of the new usage system will be to include this, so more information to come!
i think you'll hit captcha loop sooner than send 1800 requests
Oooh allright
Btw why rechapta repeats it too much
-# noooo
especially gemini
👏 to LmArena devs AAAA
Wth did u send just now
Yo guys which model do u recommend for writing and roleplaying
claude sonnet 4.6 dont work
Why not?
When's the cli coming?
just error
Arena CLI
If you can share the Trace ID to #1417174113092374689 that'd be best
Sorry to say no ETA I'd be able to share.
But through the API you could do the same?
Which model do u recommend for writing, launguage and roleplaying
I tried gemini but its ehh after long sessions
Hmmm
-# bump
Would also encourage you to check out our leaderboards with categories - https://arena.ai/leaderboard/text/creative-writing
Every message in Max AI chat triggers a CAPTCHA. It never completes — after ~60 seconds it stops responding and shows a timeout. Console shows 403 errors. Please help.
I saw that but idts the models in leaderboard are not too good
And Max sometimes sends sonnet 4.6 but its horrible
Anyone noticed AI models releaces have become like cellphone releases now, incremental not meaningful.
And like phones in many ways they regress from previous version
We have been seeing some users hit this kind of captcha loop that was difficult to get out of over the weekend. Our team has been looking into this and are going to make some adjustments to this system. Overall, if you’re seeing frequent captchas, it typically means the system is detecting activity that may appear inauthentic. I’m not able to go into the specific signals used, but certain usage patterns can trigger these checks. If there is anything in your usage that may be contributing to this, it may help to adjust that behavior and see if things improve over time.
Thanks for the update. Two quick questions:
Any estimate on when the team adjustments will be live?
What specific 'usage patterns' should I avoid? I'm just using the chat normally.
I'll wait for the fix. Thanks.
I can't with these CAPTCHA's 
I don't have an estimate to share sorry to say.
What specific 'usage patterns' should I avoid?
Would note that I mentioned:
I’m not able to go into the specific signals used
I'd encourage you to use #1499964195029123082 and share there
Wait so it’s actually a thing coming?
Understood. Let's skip the "usage pattern" discussion since you can't share the signals.
Let me refocus on the technical issue:
The CAPTCHA fails with a reCAPTCHA Timeout error in the console.
The server returns 403 errors on /nextjs-api/stream/post-to-evaluation/.
This happens consistently in Max AI chat.
This isn't about "behavior" — the integration with reCAPTCHA seems broken on your end (token validation failing or timing out).
Can you please:
Confirm if your team can reproduce this in Max AI chat specifically?
Or suggest a real workaround (e.g., disabling CAPTCHA for trusted accounts temporarily)?
I'm happy to provide a HAR file or console logs if your engineers need them. Thanks.
We make frequent changes to this system overtime, but this weekend specifically we were seeing some odd behavior that we're going to correct.
who ping
:(
I'm 99.99% certain this issue is already on our radar, but I'll check with the team and followup with you if that's helpful.
Sorry I’m a little confused here. What I was asking is if an “Arena CLI” was going to be a thing
so something smarter better? another economic cycle? you don't know how it would go but you know the drill
same thing is happening with me to reCAPTCHA rn, for the life of me it won't let me get it right
Yes, please follow up. I'd appreciate knowing if it's confirmed as a bug and when a fix might be expected. Thanks for checking with the team.
Oh sorry I thought you were talking about captcha. Regarding CLI/API I won't be able to share details about what is/may be upcoming.
Ahh I see
Update: after the CAPTCHA times out, the chat dies completely. Error: Something went wrong while generating the response. Please try again. + Trace ID (e.g., f2710b2a-8bbe...). The only fix is to log out and log back in.
This is not just a CAPTCHA loop — it's a session-killing bug. Please escalate this specifically. Happy to provide HAR or Trace IDs.
same thing is happening to me rn
let the folks get to that ticket 😭
GNG I CANT STILL MAKE A IMAGE
@echo aurora
8HOURS WAITING
Chapta bug
fr
I'd point you to this message: #general message
I'll be sure to get to your Trace when I can
is the trace the random letters at the top if so ilsend rn
Yeah it says "Trace ID: "
When you get a bug
i dont have a bug
The AI service is busy. Please try again in a moment.
been happening for 5hours
then i had another
just dosent respond
Okay you're likely using the site too often and getting some kind of bug. I'd wait couple of hours and try again. Keep me updated then what happens.
ive waiting all day
for 1 image
and it just wont do
it
and your saying to wait more
Hi
How often have you tried to prompt during that time?
ive told it to make a image then it didint work
so i waited 30m
i said
"so"?
5 more times
and then just gave up
and tried hours later
I was gonna say this too
I'm literally looking at the image edit leaderboard looking for this xd
Okay yeah same point still stands. Since we had the large outage over the weekend that we're recovering from, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some odd behavior left over from that. Let's give it a couple of hours, and if no luck create a #1343291835845578853 to share more information and we'll take it from there. I don't want to be troubleshooting in #general.
Qwen 3.7 max better than Claude 4.6 wtffff
Is the bug fixed
Dear god
We don't have the usage limits displayed, yet. This is something we plan to change shortly.
sorry what was the contest?
Guys, what`s going on with nano banana model?
Oh okay, appreciate you
why sometimes it starts to genarate indefently?
@echo aurora What is the daily limit for creating videos?
Would encourage you all to use #ask-here for these questions. cc @timber frigate @north marsh @pine meadow
okay, thx
still not working
Yeah like I said we should give it a couple hours. I wouldn't be surprised if repeated attempts is making the problem worse.
Something went wrong. Please try again.
Has Arena lost the Gemini and more advanced GPT chat options?
For image creators?
Get out bro
@echo aurora hey do you know if theres a way to force stop a generation via console or smth like that ?
Not all modes have a Stop Button, but you can use the Stop Button.
Has Arena lost the image creation options with Gemino and GPT chat?
yea ik i was asking that cus i have the infinite generation glitch
i alr tried the troubleshooting
so i wondered if that was possible
alr did lol
i have a query about limit , can u help 😅
I'd ask in #ask-here first
Bro just put grok imagine pro again 😭😭
temporarily the most expensive models aren't being offered until a more economical way to offer them is found
they can't because xAI killed off the model, it's been replaced by grok imagine image quality
Got this on agent mode, does that mean I hit the quota?
Doesn't seem like it, I can start another agent chat
Whats mai image lol
Something agenty
Spot on. But if you're looking for more information I'd check out https://help.arena.ai/articles/1811908126-arena-experiments-agent-mode @wind ember
thanks
interesting
Honestly this sounds like written by someone who has no idea how llms work
@echo aurora will this be enabled later
why
The point of chat switching is context management 😭
yea its badly written ig
Has it finally been fixed?
Yes, this has been fixed.
guys anyone know how to get claude pro/max or claude code for free
Hiiiiii
Oh lord i am so scared of "There is a daily usage limit managed via a credit balance that resets every 24 hours. When you hit it, you’ll see a message and can resume after the reset." this
what if this is too low
I only use it for texts
bye
Yaya
@echo aurora
Thank God
Yes boomshakalka. Thank you @echo aurora
yess
LESGOO
not really
theres usage limit now
wat
"Regarding text generation on our platform:
There is a daily usage limit managed via a credit balance that resets every 24 hours. When you hit it, you’ll see a message and can resume after the reset."
i am scared asf
🥲 me too
Jit ur lucky to be using it for free at all
hows it lucky if u get hit with a limit right after like 15 conversations
Not even 15
Then wait lol
Mate wdym it gets boring
How boring does ur life have to be that the only interesting thing in ur day is to use an AI model
Js find something else to do
Thats the reason this site is working at all
Ur entire point is "if ur broke just buy a house"
The daily usage isnt even 15 lol
what it is then
You'll have to wait for the timer to reset. This is a part of the new usage system we're playing.
Idk but not 15
ik , and the timer is 24 hours
Js wait bruh
i was talking about the limit
IIRC we're going to do a reset at a specific time of day kind of thing, that applies to everyone.
new usage system is added now?
if it doesnt bothers u , its not ur concern , plus here are more members who agreed with me .
Just yesterday]=
No, it's not fully releasesd but we're going to be adding pieces of it here and there.
Why cant u js wait though
Thanks pineapple , the reset time doesnt concerns me , but the limit
Cause i have to work on a project
it requires daily interaction with ai
i am a freelancer
Understood. We plan for the limit to be as generous as we can feasibly offer.
How many requests do u need a day
please do so , it would be a great help really
I hope it doesnt becomes claude
Tbh they depend on the project i am working
Around 35-60 ig maybe
Not sure
I said i work with multiple clients
Idk why what i use it for concerns u more than the actual problem
well, it the down time was a ploy to make me learn to use agent mode and love it...it worked...damn you 😉
If the limit goes too low i'd have to look for an alternative
Cause ur fussing over crap thats not even that big of a problem
Not for u sure
lol
Yh cuz im patient
Mate what do u even do lol
Lol well as unfortunate the the outage was, I am happy that you found a silver lining
Great logical comeback
This gif has been my reaction during this entire convo
Gng js buy a subscription if u cant wait lol
gpt 5.1 has been shut down
it doesnt even comes with subscriptions
now
lol
??
What abt 5.1
i use it with arena
It's a trash model but aight
This is so pointless
Lol u tryna project or smth
Right there
the cat sat on the mat
Ooh ohh i'm so scared Arena is gonna make usage limits low
Saying anything to u is pointless
cause u have surely hit ur limit
i'll try after 24 hours
❓
the mat sat on the rat?
It absolutely is
Guys putting his resume in
Ty
Huh
Why
To get usage limits more in-line with what we're planning.
god damn people need to secure their gateways
i was messing with queries on fofa some idiot left some azure router open with no api key and gpt 5.5 just there
goodbye wallet
yo pineapple it's eid for me 🎉
eid?
Lm arena fixed?
Chat with claude-opus-4-7 — type 'exit' to quit
You: hi
Assistant: Hi there! How can I help you today?
You: what model are you
Assistant: I'm Claude, made by Anthropic. I don't have information about which specific version of Claude I am. Is there something I can help you with?
You:
Lowk miss
Peak ngl
Please, see this message from Pineapple: #1417174113092374689 message
W man
Hey everyone - heads up that we're going to be removing the ability to upload files or media to the channels and prevent link embeds during certain hours. This is a temporary measure. Thank you all for the understanding.
is this because of what happened last night with the nsfw posts?
Yeah, we're looking into more perminant measure, and want more assurance the auto-moderation systems are working properly, before enabling this again.
are you going to make a proper announcement? i think some people aren't going to see this and will try to upload an image wondering why they can't
Bad 😞 agent
Max ai is my favourite soo smart
Never tried max
We’re going to encourage people to ask in #ask-here more, there should be an automated message that gives a response for why
This is unacceptable
Literally just add restrictions to only tenor.com
It’s only temporary
if anyone is like good with veo 3 or just good with prompting images in general, i have a task that im trying to do with veo 3.1 lite and if anyone could help please respond to this message or send me a dm 🔥
is the agent mode failing to create a chat session for anyone else
What do u need
Its an Islamic tradition
like christmas
but Eid is like a holiday for us
eyyy happy eid adha bro banana (from Indonesia)
Thanks!!
Me and @silent tree prayed at same spot xd
Hey I have an idea
A mod between battle mode and side by side, basically we would be choosing a model and the other model would be anonymous and revealed upon vote, it would especially be useful for comparing some good performing Chinese models to Western frontier. Or just seeing the performance of any chosen model against a random model.
I would call it Half-Cognito.
Happy Eid-al-Adha to all Muslims btw.
on second thoughts im figuring it out right now with AI but if i have any questions when I am testing it out ill be sure to send you a dm
Hi guys 🙂
What you thinking about qwen 3.7?
I'm using now, this suck don't ative the thinking in my phone app
And do some issues 🥀
Well I heard some nice things about it, like a Tetris post. Qwen 3.7 and the price cuts in multiple Chinese models(so running these models becomes a little bit more affordable for Arena) is actually a reason for my Half-Cognito idea. On the app interface it performed at least better than prior versions.
Waiting my small model, but I think just in 4.0 version I'll see a <10b model
Oh check out the new Chinese model in AA
MiniCPM5-1B
Insane model for size
%5 on HLE
And surpasses multiple versions of GPT-4o on AA intelligence index. 1B parameters.
Where u from
look at aa-omniscience lol, refused 99% and got 0% correct
this model is actually very dumb and they are using refusals to cover that up
even llama 3.2 1b managed 6% correct
We both from UAE 🇦🇪
ive been using gemini so ive been curious abt this rn
are u able to send more than 15 prompts
so no more Gemini pro 2 in Arena image?
it's been removed from direct and side by side mode, yes
it may come back later with the new usage system, but that is unknown
I haven't tried it yet 😭
ill test it out
Oh ok 👌🏻
ive heard it was resolved for most ppl so if i still got it then that should be important info for the devs maybe
at least regarding that its still around for certain users
Hmm
I won't complain ever.
No matter if there is captcha many times.
I realize that now.
Damn we can’t upload nothing any more for a while?
@echo aurora , Kindly consider giving option to rename chats!
hi, has the token limit been reduced?
I send very few messages but still get limited tokens.
@echo aurora
anyone here want free opus usage on api my friend has been making a platform with that
Me : )
Why i can't send a photo to chat here ?
Eid mobrak for you : )
And also me 🙂
The ability to upload files, media or link embeds to the channels was removed for certain hours. I encourage you to ask in https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1466486650170245435, there should be an automated message that gives a response for why.
Sure
@echo sinew Is there a reason why when new models come out, for example 3.5 Flash, it gets added to the text arena but not the search arena?
Is it about numbers of chats in each category?
Sorry to say that the Moderation team only handles issues related with the https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1343285970375540839 (for now), so unfortunately I don't have an answer to your question.
Wsg pain guy
yeah i'd suggest asking @echo aurora
Hopefully we can give a hand to Pineapple in other matters in the near future
well we always appreciate you
Thank you
hi kiri
although with what i know, they don't add models until a 2,000 vote threshold is met so that's probably why it may be added to one arena but not another arena where the model was also evaluated, it also could've just not appeared in that arena before release even if the model is capable of vision/coding/web search
Happy eid for you yall
not that they don't add it to the leaderboard because it doesnt have enough votes but they dont even add it to battle because not enough people use search for it to realistically get to even a few hundred votes
Khair Mubarak
Why i got nothing to say ^_^
hello
W
Hello people of the internet
Hello there our internet brotha
hi
i wanted to post some image battle result but i cant upload images ? i had anew model : phantom_brush
The new Mai model also is quit good ! almost as good as gpt 2 !
yeah i cant post images ... any help ?
The ability to upload files, media or link embeds to the channels was removed for certain hours. I encourage you to ask in https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1466486650170245435, there should be an automated message that gives a response for why.
oh it's nighttime for server admin ? it's morning in europe !!! ☕
Yes, our friend Pineapple is sleeping.
dang europeans always left behind 😶🌫️ 😆
yeah my granma did ...
the CAPTCHA and everything has been fixed for me for a few hours now, just wanna say thank you to the team! 
its 27am for me
guys im not able to access nano banana pro 2k and gpt image 2 medium model in side by side image tab , what might be the problem did they removed both the models ?
but also in my past convos i can normally access them the problem is only with new convo
They’re temporarily removed
They’re looking for a more economical way to offer them long term
🥲 when will they be back to use , also any other way to access i have gemini pro but whenver i use it to make images related to politics or lets say with leaders and all it never gave me image
Heyoo can you guys send more than 15 prompts now?
dm
can some one in the team cancel a response for me? i really need to continue that chat
files disabled
i was about to share a bug
wait do i send it as a link
ok so heres my problem
i think it happened due to me almost flunking the captcha
its been 12 hours for me and its still genarating
i think arena is having a hard time
Hi everyone, I'm glad to be in this community.
ok
guys, would you choose galaxy s26 or pixel 10 pro? Need to upgrade phone
is qwen 3.7 max flash good or thinking
you can use your google api to gen for free in lobehub ... you can use other free api and mix them there 😉
go in settings -> providers
dude you can read what i said ? stop spamming ! if i tell you that is that i am already on there ...
i tell you you can use api for free no credits you tell please use my link for the credits ...
Hello everyone, does everyone have a Agent Mode? the fact is that the AI service is busy. Please try again.
no not really its highly limited without api trick ...
how can i use ai ?
/
Aide mobark
day 4 without Gemini Nano-banana-pro 2k
Are you really that broke? Just buy pro. Or if you dont wanna spend money, google flow is exist without credits. You can generate with nano 2 and pro
It's really a shame they removed Gemini's models; they were the ones I needed.
yes flow its free unlmited
There is no professional version in Arena
It's not about money, I would pay 4k if they put 4k on the arena with money, it's about restriction, Gemini and Google flow are so restricted that they can't create a simple image, and I'm not referring to rorn or what, I mean you can't take a picture with celebrities, let's say with Michel Jackson you can't on Gemini or Google flow because it says you can't do it with public figures, which ruins all the fun
True
I want a little of your money
you are right they solved the problem
yeah so what was the cause?
...ok i got it
server got fixed so i hope childrens won't ruin it again
(over simple ai model bro)
who is this guy
Who am I doesn't mater.
Why is the website down again?😂
Hey! Does anyone know when Nano Banano Pro 2K is coming back to Arena? It only really worked well there... 🥲 🤌
Yes, I can't find it either. Please bring back the Nano Banana v3.1 and v3 (2K) models. Even better, bring back the v3 (1K) model if possible.
glm 5.1 or claude or qwen for building projects
Ig it will be
People really have been rooting for qwen here for its potential
I doubt that was the guy who was responsible for the incident
Could be somebody different
Okay ig
Yeah uh anyways let's move on to ai topics now
We don't need to remember what happened back then
Today's about providers of free ds on openrouter
Their well free deepseek is having an emotional rollercoaster
You guys can look yourself what is happening to it ig
I forgot we can't post images anymore
Yeah hard to forget when we still paying the price lol
In one way from a symbolic point of view this was an L
He posted it but we get restricted.
🤷♂️
It's been almost a week, why hasn't the Gemini 3 Pro image preview 2K been restored yet?
Probably too expensive to keep it public rn
@echo aurora The Gemini 3.5 Flash model is INCREDIBLE for programming
I'm temporarily using the old dialogue model.
Be nice I use hugface to get them haven’t had a chance I have over 70 models
AI is gonna eat the world
:WAAAHH: No its not
It is
We have a new data center being built for AI in Jersey
Ok then it is
Of course, the overlords want AI everywhere
Yeah we need AGI now
whats AGI?
💀
Oh Artificial General intelligence💀😭
Aw hell i already made an acc , can i put ur referral now ?
send me the link
also is there no free way to get ur credits up .
Ig i did that . Thanks
idts they would tbh , they would be backed by a lot of funds for the future promises they can make cause of the large userbase they have
but ofc they can screw things up too
@echo aurora Bro, when I use a chat token, I can't send messages later or after a few days, which causes all my projects to go to waste, and I can't upload HTML files for the chat.
3.5 Flash is for some reason better then 3.1 Pro for coding?
try gemini 3.5 flash image generation in side by side, is good results
cna some one help me the ai is just genarating for ever how can i just stop it?
Zips files aren’t a feature as what I know of. I’m sure you. An upload a link and it can grab files
Yh I know do you think with a github repo it will be goo d?
You can I use that in my project. Like idk if understand it but I use it like I build what need here or if I need to fix something or whatever it be it has a api GitHub that allows me to upload my files deployed my files and work anywhere as long that gui program or tool or whatever you make website must have that and once you upload it be your project and you can edit in any ai website or desktop apps like vsc virtual studio code
So you must make sure it saves before you leave otherwise might not upload it’s own you have to edit what you want and then upload to GitHub and you be fine if makes sense
Yea if not I can make one for you and you can use that
No it's okay I can do it myself
But try
Yea I was goin to say so you can learn how to make things
But if fail or need help ask you be happy then you was before lol 😂
GPT 6.7-Mango
Yes
Honestly is backend a real problem anymore ? there is still thing they can't properly do ? or its only for very very complex task

i feel like the big problem right now is only about taste / frontend
Is there a source code?
Yes but I didnt upload it anywhere
Can you upload on github please :> 🙏
let's see what can i do
some how i forgot to mention @echo aurora
why my message was deleted?
Hello, why have the 3.5 flash and 3.1 pro models for creating photos been removed? Will they be added back?
Has the Gemini Nano Banana been removed from the website?
- gemini 3 pro image preview 2k
- gemini-3.1-flash-image-preview
- gpt image 1.5 high fidelity
- gpt image 2 medium. these are the only 4 models i used in arena.ai and they are removing them? why and when will they release them again?
It has been removed. This disappoints me and I use it all the time.
What is the probability of eating R4T...
Guys i made my own weather api like OPENWEATHERMAP
I know what a Remote Access Tool is but I don't get "Eating it"
Gemini 3,5 is trash
They made Gemini impossible to use or get work done
Without upgrading to higher tiers which arnt worth it cause you can just pay as much for gpt or Claude
Github?
Gemini 3.5 pro will eat up all your daily weekly usage with like 2 prompts lol
Yes, but for what I do, he's the best.
Yo Aero
did you even test the build or are you just waiting for me to upload the source code?
Prolly a RAT if no source code provided
I am waiting cus I dont wanna get virus
Aero
?
idk use totalvirus
glm 4.1 for free
Nah
5.1*
GIME TUT IN DMS PLEASE
Aight
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U.S. law enforcement agencies have taken notice of the growing backlash to AI and in response are shifting their sights to what they are calling “anti-technology extremists.”
This shift is documented in over 1,000 pages of unpublished reports from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI), and fusion centers across the country obtained by Wired. Fusion centers are intelligence-sharing hubs where federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies work together to collect, analyze, and share information.
Nearly half of US data centers planned for 2026 are facing delays or cancellation
but will Gemini 3.1 pro and 3.5 flash be added again?
At least 25 data center projects around the country were canceled last year due to opposition from the local communities, according to research from intelligence platform Heatmap Pro.
People are finally starting to wake up 😅
This is lame we can post images lol ….
What
they have removed it, and the only way is to use google flow i guess, that's what i'm been doing it in response to this
