general

[buoyant walrus]

wtf it's still not finished?

[echo aurora]

No not yet sry to say, I need to make more time to go through those apps

[silent tree]

Kk it's alr

[pine meadow]

Completed for some users

[buoyant walrus]

silent

[buoyant walrus]

They are called lucky people.

[pine meadow]

Any Apps

[toxic verge]

Open ai needs to find a way to makes ChatGPT cheaper

[toxic verge]

We were promised gpt6 less then a year

By Altman

[mossy basalt]

I still got no response after a couple of messages :/ don't tell me this is gonna be a limit 😭

[toxic verge]

You know what the o in o1 or o3 was ment to stand for?

OMNI

[deep adder]

no, lol

[real harbor]

https://019e5c21-0911-72ee-8d9a-411105005a5d.arena.site/

[buoyant walrus]

i think it won't be fixed until tomorrow

or today

[toxic verge]

https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/

[limpid pumice]

Is it or did the bug forum just got removed? :/

[fleet widget]

That's weird, now I can send messages and I'm getting replies from the AI, whereas at 5 PM I couldn't. I think it's a server overload.

[buoyant walrus]

specifically, when will the repairs be finished? @echo aurora

[fleet widget]

That's weird, now I can send messages and I'm getting replies from the AI, whereas at 5 PM I couldn't. I think it's a server overload.

I’m not understand

[buoyant walrus]

It's been malfunctioning since yesterday

system overload

of course, it's not a message limit.

pineapple did not notify

[fleet widget]

I’m not understand

But I thing it s à serveur

[buoyant walrus]

server overload, bro.

[fleet widget]

Yes I think

It s not a small probleme

[buoyant walrus]

they've been fixing it since yesterday.

[terse swan]

TAKE A LOOK AT MY GIRLFRIEND SHES THE ONLY ONE I GOT PA DA DA DA

[echo aurora]

Sorry to say I do not know

[buoyant walrus]

😭 😭 I just want to make sure this doesn't last too long

[echo aurora]

Us too

[vapid bluff]

So it was just me or someone else who had the same issue. I use the direct chat, and it works for a few prompts. I got around 7 to 8 responses. But Agent chat wasn't working, when direct chat was working, When direct chat stopped working, now agent chat is working fine again.

[cursive creek]

right? i think the root cause is just a swapping scenario or something

when 1 works, 2 doesn't
when 2 works, 1 doesn't

[fossil gorge]

@echo aurora Has any progress ac been done

[cursive creek]

maybe this could work as a hint

[vapid bluff]

You are absolutely right! This happen today too. And even yesterday the exact thing happened to me.

[solid stream]

when gemini pro will be back to arena?

[fallen verge]

Did you encounter this bug?

Speak in English so we don't have any problems.

[little kite]

Sure

I see this bug today

[fallen verge]

They said they were coming back today.

It's been with me since Thursday.

[little kite]

Sad

[cursive creek]

no?

[fallen verge]

Anyway, I already tried VPN and it didn't work.

[true nymph]

minecraft

[real harbor]

I was trying to make the final update for my game

[true nymph]

@real harbor

[real harbor]

H-HEYO

[true nymph]

im here

hi

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj1oTOYDAN1k7R2dk6nHJlXKdmDqm3p4TVZ4JJkHazaQuiM8hZKro3LwMruULYenAUyjlCbJIvjrx2h4bODrZtH_aaarTBq0GeF-jA7QvkVQGhaOH5joA1MmZbU8Bv0vNAh78jXjkTNJO3V/s1600/friend.gif

ii cant curse :C

[real harbor]

I'm going to remake tasty planet

[true nymph]

on?

[fallen verge]

You have to wait until tomorrow.

[dusky ravine]

no lol

[real harbor]

Arena

[dusky ravine]

It's been two days

[real harbor]

But I have to wait

https://tenor.com/view/bear-5-gif-1348093804031783571

[dusky ravine]

will it took another day

hope it'll be fix soon

https://tenor.com/view/speed-kill-that-boy-speed-kill-that-boy-ishowspeed-kys-gif-10749022239239578206

[austere bison]

Hey guys

How do i fix the gemini app giving “encountered an error” something?

Not on arena ai

[plush silo]

I think this is because Arena is now using a 24-hour daily limit. It worked again this morning when I tried it, but it only lasted for around 8–9 prompts.

[hybrid tinsel]

Exactly

[dusky ravine]

Nope, It's because after you make around 8-10 prompts with long words. You'll get reCAPTCHA, if you don't fill it then you can't make prompt at all. So because reCAPTCHA somehow doesn't show up, so u can't make prompt at all

after 24 hours you no longer have to do reCAPTCHA, so you can make prompt again.

[potent glacier]

You know, a little transparency goes a long way

Some kind of announcement to warn people or something would've been nice

[dusky ravine]

yeah like this

right lol

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-crazy-crazy-ishowspeed-speed-crashing-out-gif-13267980027367138180

[dusky ravine]

lmarena user rn

[glossy yew]

If this works like this, a simple cookie cleanup should do the trick.

[dusky ravine]

idk

[toxic verge]

Gemini is getting a lot of hate

[plush silo]

That actually makes sense, yeah. The reCAPTCHA explanation lines up pretty well with what people are experiencing right now. But at the end of the day, we’re still just speculating since there hasn’t been any direct statement or clear explanation from the admins themselves.

Honestly, the lack of transparency is kinda frustrating too. Everyone’s just making theories because there’s barely any proper communication or progress update from the admin side.

[dusky ravine]

maybe try n see if it works

[glossy yew]

It doesn't work, unfortunately

[fossil gorge]

Bro deadass it’s been 3days

[dusky ravine]

yeah, no clear confirmation

[glossy yew]

so, it's not about reCAPTCHA

[dusky ravine]

bruj i swear this is how arena user look like rn

[toxic verge]

People want access to ai, but not willing to pay. lol

[glossy yew]

ama frog

[dusky ravine]

yeah that's what arena about

lol bro got phising

[toxic verge]

That ain’t no bro that’s a no go Joe

[past socket]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[lapis marsh]

Is this an intentional limit by the team or is it a bug? If It's limit then they really need to communicate the daily limits better.

[glossy yew]

good

[glossy yew]

i think both

[lapis marsh]

9 messages per day is crazy work if It's an intentional limit, at this point I'll just go open the ai websites next to each other 😭

[thorn nebula]

I think it's a bug theyy are trying to fix but also a temporary limit till they fix it entirely

[glossy yew]

just don't push daily limit in single chat session.

[toxic verge]

Naw new usage system

15 request a day

[lapis marsh]

I'm not doing anything crazy just literally normal usage, some battle mode, some side by side

[toxic verge]

But you could use them anywhere you want

[thorn nebula]

It's not even 9, I have like 3-4

[lapis marsh]

Yeah sometimes it doesn't even reach 9

[toxic verge]

So what are you guys gonna do with your 15 messages a day?

[lapis marsh]

I get compute is limited and all but when the direct website of the ai service have 5x your limits, what makes me wanna use your service at all than just go use the direct chat?

[thorn nebula]

Nothing, cause i don't even have 15 , I have 4

[toxic verge]

What if they went down to zero what would you be doing?

You’d probably end up paying for it

[glossy yew]

im ussing 24/7 kimi without limitations

[toxic verge]

We all would if we already don’t

[lapis marsh]

What I'm doing rn. Using the websites directly.

This is not an api service, we shouldn't pay

[toxic verge]

Two years from now, I doubt we’ll have any good open ai

[lapis marsh]

All these models you can just go to their websites and chat with them directly LOL

[urban herald]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1166756350987092001/1376605286189498478/caption.gif?width=544&height=787

[toxic verge]

I think everything worthwhile is gonna be behind paywall

Look at mini max they went from open source to open weight

[lapis marsh]

This whole service is built on collecting data for ai training. If your limit is so annoying that I'd rather just go use the model directly from It's root website, then you basically have no data to sell anymore.

I do two battle mode responses and boom, my four responses are over. Oh welp that was a nice two minutes spent on arena.

[toxic verge]

This used to be open source

Even open source slowly becoming close source

[lapis marsh]

I've been chatting to Deepseek v4 pro from It's website for like 30 mins now and haven't hit any limit lmao

[long temple]

Why arena ai, not showing nano banana pro at image ?????

[toxic verge]

It’s gone it’s only battle mode

No more direct access

[lapis marsh]

Don't spread misinformation based on guessing.

[buoyant walrus]

are people talking about limits?

I think Max has no limits

[long temple]

Where is NANO BANANA ON ARENA AND WHY IS IT GONE

[buoyant walrus]

and several other models

[lapis marsh]

read the StickyBot

[thorny schooner]

I have not been able to use it since this glitch has came ( almost 3 days for me) into begin except like one time lol

[uneven depot]

Bruh

[toxic verge]

That’s just the word I’m hearing

[toxic verge]

GPT2 nano all them are all gone, but in battle mode, maybe I don’t know

[sand crown]

Well, that's wrong

[thorn nebula]

Same

[dense sphinx]

It's not fixed yet?

[thorn nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-frog-sad-frog-washing-machine-depression-gif-8952314123133629439

[true nymph]

EXPLAAIN

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj1oTOYDAN1k7R2dk6nHJlXKdmDqm3p4TVZ4JJkHazaQuiM8hZKro3LwMruULYenAUyjlCbJIvjrx2h4bODrZtH_aaarTBq0GeF-jA7QvkVQGhaOH5joA1MmZbU8Bv0vNAh78jXjkTNJO3V/s1600/friend.gif

[toxic verge]

🇮 hope so

[sand crown]

100% is. The reason they're making a usage system like this is specifically for direct and side by side mode. They wouldn't be working on it and then remove direct and side by side because then the usage system is redundant

[sand crown]

The issue is that it's expensive to keep. They said they planned to bring it back with the new usage system

[toxic verge]

Oh that’s good

That makes sense

Ty

[sand crown]

You're welcome

It's their intention to bring them back they've said, not 100% guaranteed but they're hopeful the new usage system allows it

[lapis marsh]

I think the rate limits should AT LEAST be equal to those the direct websites themselves. I've finally hit the rate limit of deepseek after like, an hour of chatting non stop. Meanwhile in Arena it was like 4 messages.

[toxic verge]

https://www.newsbytesapp.com/news/science/anthropic-may-launch-mythos-soon-as-code-references-surface-online/story

[sand crown]

And they're a nonprofit so there's no incentive to cut things back unless it really can't be sustained

[sand crown]

It will be for sure

[sand crown]

And I think past that personally

[lapis marsh]

Which I understand but It's ridiculously low rn, It's unusable without abuse and creating alt accounts, and I will never do that.

[white turret]

deepseek is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO good

[sand crown]

For who?

[lapis marsh]

I know right I kept chatting with it to test It's rate limit and I just couldn't hit the wall hahaha, the chinese are generous 😂

[sand crown]

Right now, the limits are very generous

[lapis marsh]

For everyone in the chat

Four messages a day is generous? I'd disagree.

[sand crown]

This is a bug

[lapis marsh]

I really hope so 😭

[sand crown]

Says here

[lapis marsh]

I had to skip saying hi to my ai today just to ration, my future overlords will smite me

[lapis marsh]

says message was deleted

[sand crown]

Here

[lapis marsh]

Ah, yeah well a lot of people are saying It's a new system not completely just a bug, but we shall see

[sand crown]

The only model now with not so generous limits is Sonnet

[sand crown]

I mean for text and coding

Not talking about image and video

[thorny schooner]

I would say it is a mix of both cuz it looks like since even higher quality AI I could use will allow mw to get anything a decent out of messages granted that was like 3 days ago before this glitch came in

[lapis marsh]

I mean honestly I just want it to be equal to the ai's own chatting services, like deepseek equal to deepsek, glm equal to glm's site, etc.

Sonnet is VERY expensive and hard to use even on their own root website, anthropic's, which is why I'm okay with it having very harsh limits.

[toxic verge]

Pay2 play

[sand crown]

If it were equal, the limits would be worse now than it would be before

The limits now are much, much more than the A.I's chatting services

[lapis marsh]

Well I've been chatting with Deepseek for like a whole hour

[sand crown]

You can easily do that on arena.ai and more

[lapis marsh]

but yeah I'll never say no to better, but at least equal or better, not worse

If it's worse then there's no incentive to use arena to compare, you'd just open multiple browser tabs

[sand crown]

I can spend the entire day doing it

I've done it before

[lapis marsh]

and hopefully that remains the case

and this whole 5 messages a day thing is a bug

[sand crown]

Yeah, I truly hope so

[sand crown]

Yeah, I've been having withdrawals

[lapis marsh]

LMAO I was mostly using Deepseek v4 pro

and now im using it on its own website

i feel no difference tbh

[sand crown]

For?

[toxic verge]

on your own website?

[lapis marsh]

My usecase is mostly helping edit and critique my writing and giving me tips on what to improve, kinda like having a harsh editor breathing down my neck as I write stuff

[sand crown]

I see

[toxic verge]

Harsh? lol

Is AI even capable of being harsh?

[lapis marsh]

I custom prompt it to be harsh and roast me, It's hard though, like it just keeps calling me the best author in the world and I'm like "no bro I know I'm trash hecking give me tips"

[open birch]

Hey guys. Any RedM or FiveM script devs in here?

Im curious what keywords we are using to continue projects at future dates?

I want to update some of my scripts with some features, but unsure the best method to do so

[sand crown]

Grok is good at being harsh

[thorny schooner]

I mean i wouldn't be surprised after all it wouldn't be the first i have seen it roast a user to hell

[sand crown]

Like, it will genuinely follow your instructions

[toxic verge]

Let me see what the harshness looks like

[lapis marsh]

Eh true but I'm not really vibing with It's suggestions, plus fast is not that great, and the normal model takes too long to think

[toxic verge]

Give me a snippet

[sand crown]

Grok 4.3 is pretty fast though

[lapis marsh]

Sorry I'd rather bury my head in the sand than let this trash be read by any human beside me 😂

[lapis marsh]

is it? i haven't tried it yet

[sand crown]

Yeah

[lapis marsh]

i only did 4.20 beta

and it took YEARS

[sand crown]

I used 4.20 Beta and it was fast for me, at least for searching

[sand crown]

It was always under 15 seconds

[toxic verge]

Why

It can’t be that bad

[lapis marsh]

I'll give 4.3 a chance once the site is functioning again!

[lapis marsh]

If it wasn't that bad I wouldn't be looking for AI to help teach me XD English isn't my native language

[sand crown]

Sounds nice

I think maybe since it was a beta, not many GPU's, or not enough was dedicated to it

[lapis marsh]

Probably, here's to hoping

If you are having withdrawls tho I recommend Deepseek's native website

generous limits so far

[sand crown]

Yeah, I mainly use A.I right now for code. Deepseek V4 Pro kinda sucks at it

[sand crown]

Agent mode isn't doing that well enough right now to fix a specific issue so I need to rely on the best Chinese bug fixing A.I

[sand crown]

Which is Qwen 3.7 Max

[sand crown]

And it impressively managed to pull third overall in bug fixing

[sand crown]

Like, it's only below Claude Opus 4.7 and Claude Mythos right now

[warm ruin]

are the chats not working again?

[sand fulcrum]

Yeah

It's not working for me

[nimble tartan]

Chat

[sand fulcrum]

@nimble tartan is it working for you rn

[nimble tartan]

Why Gemini pro isn't on Arena anymore for image generation?

Be quiet

Rip arena

[sand fulcrum]

?

[balmy wraith]

still?!

how long til it's fixedd

[sand fulcrum]

Idk bro

I'm waiting since saturday

[quaint dirge]

it usable but broken again

[balmy wraith]

I think this was right

[sand fulcrum]

Wdym by this

[balmy wraith]

my prediction for when it was gonna be fixed

[thorny schooner]

At least it y'all a work occasionally , it has not even been working for me lol except like once since these 2 to 3 days

[sand fulcrum]

How about the new accounts

[thorny schooner]

A mixed bag honestly

[sand fulcrum]

Even side side and battles are the same

[outer flicker]

hello

ok

[night moat]

All mode. Gone

[south charm]

https://my-new-game.vercel.app/
can anyone test ts game for me, I made with mimi-v2.5-pro

[outer flicker]

is have virus?

yo anyone test gemini 3.5 flash?

[south charm]

Wth, it just a web made with AI

[outer flicker]

you use arena or gemini app?

[south charm]

what? that website? or what AI?

idk

[inland imp]

oh that's why i didn't get any response while using arena

[south charm]

We are currently investigating an issue where some users are not getting a response to their prompts. We’re sorry for the inconvenience, and the team is actively working on a fix. We will share the most recent updates though this message. The current status is we are investigating the root cause.

[outer flicker]

you use arena website or gemini app

[narrow sigil]

Max is not working

[last tapir]

So we are going to have rate limits once the issue is solved?!

[lyric pagoda]

Haven't they fixed this bug yet?

[grave dragon]

The generations in battle mode are taking too long...

[thorn nebula]

Nuh uh

[inland imp]

i hope this issue can be settled soon.

[outer flicker]

well let try open router while arena is fixing

[north fossil]

It's taking too long now

[red chasm]

By the way, you have to pay for tokens there.

In my opinion, this is a last resort.

[red chasm]

It's unlikely, they haven't been able to fix it for almost 12 hours.

This has never happened before. As far as I understand, it's because "Agent Mode" was published...

As I said, there was no such error before as now - endless generation without answers.
But after this regime was released, this limit was exceeded. Apparently this is because there is a message limit in this mode, and due to some bug in the code, this limit has been extended to everything else.

Apparently, my theory was confirmed - due to a bug in the code, there is now a limit on all modes.

Not cool

[thorn nebula]

Limit is not much of issue but limitation after 3-4 promots is staright up offensive 🙂

[red chasm]

Well, for some people the fact that it doesn't generate anything isn't critical, but for me it's quite offensive.

I use the site for several hours every day.

[brisk ice]

So does that mean none of the modes work now? It seems every message I send gets cut off with error 429.

[red chasm]

Stop... And the bike

Exactly...

It's all because of the second button from the left (in the screenshot)

[thorn nebula]

Is this even true???? aree they actually fixing it ???

[brisk ice]

I noticed it before, but I didn't know what that button was for.

[brave patrol]

Let's hope I need that site soon 🤣

[red chasm]

Maybe it's because of her that nothing works, because:

1. If we click on it, we have a normal schedule (arena.ai)
2. And if we don’t click on it (that is, we don’t select this button), then we will have the “Text” mode (arena.ai/text)

In my opinion

[thorn nebula]

The worst thing isn't even the issue it's how irresponsive and completely MIA thesee admins are on these issue

[red chasm]

In mode "arena.ai/text" It seems like everything is generating normally, but I only checked it superficially

[thorn nebula]

Mine is finally working but I believe it would be only for 3-4 prompts then back to issue again ☹️

[brave patrol]

Well, it still isn't working for me at all

[red chasm]

Well, let's hope everything is ok. I had everything generated in the old chat.

[thorn nebula]

When's the last time it worked for you, it will work after 24 hours , i used yesterday morning then now today morning again

[brisk ice]

That’s so awful… Do they know about the issue? Are they fixing it?

[thorny schooner]

honestly even that is not certain since I have only been able to have it work once in the past 2 to 3 days at least on my original account

[brave patrol]

It just happened to me today around 5:00 a.m., so 34 minutes ago

[ancient yacht]

Anybody know if limits are now shared between accounts?

[thorn nebula]

So probably Tommrow 5 am it might work again...or even late

[astral plinth]

Did this ever happen before? That it wouldn't work for so long?

[thorn nebula]

Nope , each account has its own limits

[ancient yacht]

weird, all the limits of my 3 accounts are the same

[brave patrol]

I need that page right now.😂

[ancient yacht]

on sonnet 4.5 thinking

[narrow sigil]

It's back

[dusky ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-crazy-crazy-ishowspeed-speed-crashing-out-gif-13267980027367138180

[astral plinth]

A very painful wait

[north fossil]

No

[narrow sigil]

It's back for me

I'm using Max with search and it's working

[astral plinth]

You're lucky

[brave patrol]

All right, guys, I'm going to bed now. Good night

[thorny schooner]

Good night

[thorn nebula]

For few prompts only

[astral plinth]

Good night

[north fossil]

Like what

[dusky ravine]

8-10 prompt then the A.I doesn't even wanna answer ur prompt

[north fossil]

Yesterday I worked for a time then again stopped working again for me

[thorn nebula]

3-4 for me

[dusky ravine]

😢

[brave patrol]

Good night

[digital magnet]

wth

[last tapir]

Why only Agent mode is working?

[toxic verge]

Ok let’s me honest how many prompts is enough?

[digital magnet]

idk

[dusky ravine]

because you didnt defeat zeus

[past socket]

investigating like they dontbeven know the root cause yet

[last tapir]

Can't go against my dad

[dusky ravine]

It's been going on three days

[past socket]

why cant they just reload it to an older state

[dusky ravine]

okay i'll do it

[outer flicker]

oppen router is so bad, we need to pay can use good model

[viscid vortex]

soooo

Hi guyys

[dusky ravine]

no

[viscid vortex]

Is anyone's arena workin now?

[dusky ravine]

not yet fixed lil

[viscid vortex]

nice

it's fixed for me

[past socket]

it worked for a bit andnthen died like it did yesterday

[past socket]

no

[viscid vortex]

but if I refresh it goes back to being broken

[dusky ravine]

yes after 8-10 prompt you'll be in same situation

[past socket]

you will come back later and realize it is dead

[viscid vortex]

yep

[outer flicker]

well yup is close only arena still give us free model,

yupp ai is close

[viscid vortex]

at least it works for like an hour for me

[dusky ravine]

BEFORE they give up on u

[outer flicker]

or is a sign arena same fate with yupp.ai (my theory)

[dusky ravine]

how yupp.ai got its downfall

[sly cedar]

Literal mummy

[sly cedar]

What js happend yupp ai?

[past socket]

does anyone zmart know why they cant just do this

[dusky ravine]

idk ask hmmm

[outer flicker]

but im think they udpate new usage system then model got removing comeback. ABSOLUTE

[outer flicker]

they close the site shut down their project forever

[dusky ravine]

yeah i think they're fixing the issue aswell as doing some maintenance or some future update

[wild isle]

Okay

Okay

/okay

[dusky ravine]

which will took one more day

so be patience y'all, wait for more one day

[outer flicker]

im think gork premium are cheap than any ai 🙂

[dusky ravine]

god yes It's cheap when u live in America

10$ is someone salary per month 🤣

[outer flicker]

what if anthropic collab with arena?but im think never happen

[obtuse smelt]

i use grok too in web and yeah forced to take money

[buoyant fulcrum]

When will the website be restored😂

[thorn nebula]

Based on current situation probably....never

[burnt mason]

永久(Permanent)

[viscid vortex]

nice yep, my arena no longer works again

[viscid vortex]

at least it was nice while it lasted

[scarlet dagger]

This problem has been around since early on.

[viscid vortex]

fun fact ah

I've been here since early on (.)

[obtuse smelt]

btw in battle mode yeah if you generate is no longer

[wraith bane]

yeah it was workin for a bit then around 15-20 or so message it goes off. Did this yesterday too. Other accounts worked for a bit before doin the same thing. I thought it was like a bug in how they were updating token stuff

yea i think they confirmed it was a bug specifically unrelated but idk i always thought they were devving the limits and it screwed up

[obtuse smelt]

battle mode is limited now

[wraith bane]

idk i think they'd be open that its a "demo" of the limit system

[inland scroll]

it's almost three days for me

[wraith bane]

unless they are intentionally lying to ppl which is weird

they already stated it was a bug they are actively trying to fix

[dusky ravine]

three half a day not yet fixed

[wraith bane]

i dont use battles i use direct so im not sure

and if it is limits i dont wanna waste my limits on it 😂

well i didnt know whether or not the "bug" is more effective on battle or direct

tbh it should at least be 40

good to know

if its moreso a demo of the 15-prompt limit system id hope they would be more open abt it but for now ill take their word that its an unrelated glitch

i never checked agent and ur right

[sand fulcrum]

Bruuuu

[wraith bane]

i never used agent before and its not very good tbh. l ill just use the main gemini website for now

[limber hound]

HELL NAH

[wraith bane]

stupid question but how did u find this

[limber hound]

F12 > Network

[sand fulcrum]

How'd you find

[limber hound]

create-evaluation request > Headers response

[sand fulcrum]

....

[wraith bane]

so there IS a limit

[sand fulcrum]

Did pineapple created this type of limit?

[wraith bane]

so the limit is tied to the "bug"

[limber hound]

not pineapple

hes moderator

[wraith bane]

pineapple is just a comm manager i think

[limber hound]

ye

pinapple is great guy

[sand fulcrum]

Brooo

I can't even send prompt today

[limber hound]

more like... limit is bug

bug appears after limits are hit

the bug is that it doesn't show thing like your limits gone

which is... 2 minutes of code to add

and to change limits, well, it's another 2 minutes of code

[wraith bane]

so why dont they just say that its just their new limit feature being rolled out early

[limber hound]

no idea

[wraith bane]

i think ppl would get off their ass so much more

like its kind of lame yea but its a valid reason

[limber hound]

i CAN NOT believe it's not intended now

[sand fulcrum]

It's not valid

[limber hound]

it's just mega obvious but stupid at the same time

[wraith bane]

valid as in its a REASON

[limber hound]

like, why?

[sand fulcrum]

Do you think users will want that with only 15 responses brah

[wraith bane]

that's explainable

like "oh yeah thats just apart of our new limit system we're still working on it dw"

[sand fulcrum]

This website is gonna be inactive

If this bug is still not fixed

[limber hound]

agent mode is generous tho

[wraith bane]

atp is it even a bug

[limber hound]

huge limits

[sand fulcrum]

Pineapple says it himself

[limber hound]

could be bug tied to database issues

tbh

[wraith bane]

idk it seems a bit sus now

but let's see

[sand fulcrum]

Is it fixed to y'all rn

[limber hound]

maybe they broke something on the way to bring daily limits and now DB went crazy

[wraith bane]

it's only fixed when the limit goes back up

so rn its not workin for me cuz i used up

[limber hound]

that explains that sometimes we get logged out

[sand fulcrum]

How do I fix this bug

[wraith bane]

i actually havent gotten that

[sand fulcrum]

Like fr

[wraith bane]

u can't

unless u actively work on the website

its annoying

[sand fulcrum]

Hard refresh and removing cookies doesn't help either

[sand fulcrum]

Holy

[naive spruce]

Bruh, arena its time to hire someone who knows to fix this kind of thing. Clearly you dont have that "guy" in your team.

[wraith bane]

btw

kind of a dumb question but

[sand fulcrum]

They don't hire

I think

[wraith bane]

did any of u get those annoying ass captcha glitches before

[limber hound]

yeah

[wraith bane]

where it doesnt let u bypass

[limber hound]

vpn is the way

🤷‍♂️

[wraith bane]

like no matter what part of the image u click

[sand fulcrum]

What VPN @limber hound

Tell me

[wraith bane]

nah i just remove browsing data

[limber hound]

yeah it's like level 3 captcha

[wraith bane]

it stopped after doing that twice

[limber hound]

it doesn't matter atp

[novel geode]

capcha is like the 2nd problem now

[limber hound]

can't, that would be violation of some kind of rule

[wraith bane]

captcha glitch dont matter when u cant even use the app lmao

website i mean

[sand fulcrum]

Ah

[novel geode]

I wonder the too many request no answer glitch is a bug or part of limit system

[sand fulcrum]

Its a glitch bug

[wraith bane]

i think its safe to say we found the root cause?

[sand fulcrum]

There's no way there'll be limits unless you're using specific models

[wraith bane]

or is it too early to say that

[novel geode]

who knows but it do reset like in around a day

[limber hound]

too early. bug still can be in different direction like databases

[novel geode]

and after 8~10 rnds of chat it happen again

[wraith bane]

hmm

it is a step forward tho to the truth

it's something at least

[limber hound]

because THIS is fixable in about 5 minutes, and they probably have reason to not fix it before real bug

something behind curtains, my guess is databases

stickybot is a lie tho

[wraith bane]

tbh theres a lot of things on arena fixable in abt 5 mins

[limber hound]

no response is because of hidden daily limit

[limber hound]

ong

[wraith bane]

if they dont they rly need to

cuz its ridiculous all the bs that happens with this website in particular lol

[sand fulcrum]

Why is this message not deleted yet

It's been days yo

[wraith bane]

because its not fixed

[sand fulcrum]

Where is the update

[novel geode]

it returns a 'too many requests' error in F12 DevTools

[wraith bane]

the bug still exists in some capacity

[limber hound]

and people keep asking 'am i the only who don't get respons'

[wraith bane]

this is also true

[novel geode]

yeah I can imagine if someone dont use discord and thought the account was blocked xd

[wraith bane]

i specifically joined this discord cuz i figured it was the only way to figure out whats goin on

[plush silo]

Where the news braa

[wraith bane]

like i thought it was some shi on my end

at first

[novel geode]

yeah indeed

[naive spruce]

This is their downfall. They messed up.

[sand fulcrum]

How'd you know

They will lose a lot of money at this point

[novel geode]

actually it saves money no?

[wraith bane]

isnt lmarena important to the ai devs too

[limber hound]

if limits keep on 15 rq/d, yeah i'm probably not gonna use it as much
because wouldn't be able to

[novel geode]

they pay for the chats on the site

[limber hound]

yeh

[sand fulcrum]

15 responses every day is outrageous

[limber hound]

google's AIStudio type shi

[wraith bane]

wdym

[worn jetty]

Wait~
What are u saying!!!
❤‍🩹
Are u saying arenallm only gives 15 chats per 24 hours??
That's it?????

[wraith bane]

yep

[sand fulcrum]

go ask pineapple

[wraith bane]

for every bot too

[worn jetty]

What?????

[wraith bane]

except agent

[novel geode]

nbdk

[wraith bane]

at least for the time being

[novel geode]

@echo aurora

[wraith bane]

pineapple is just a comm manager so he prolly knows as much as we do

ohhh

[limber hound]

pinapple can't say more until he say more. as community manager he most likely signed NDA sooo i don't think that'll do anything

[worn jetty]

Can someone verify??❤‍🩹
Is it real..
Only 15 chats???..
What's then gonna do?
That's mean is the bug fixed???

[sand fulcrum]

How about the team wtf

[limber hound]

not his fault 100%, bro isn't dev

[wraith bane]

🤷

they always been movin weird i think

[novel geode]

we cant verify as arena didnt give a annoucement

[sand fulcrum]

I can feel it rn

[worn jetty]

Then how ur all saying it's 15 msg only!!!!

[wraith bane]

its not "confirmed" as in its an official arena announcement

but the code silently confirms it

[novel geode]

cuz it is what it like now

no?

[wraith bane]

the amount of bs that goes on with this site is actually unheard of 😭

[worn jetty]

Wow !! 🫠

[novel geode]

it's not confirmed, we cant verify, but it's what it like now

[sand fulcrum]

How about the other bugs like inf gen and required log in prompt

[worn jetty]

I didn't thought i would end arenallm like this way!! 💔💔

[sand fulcrum]

And two sides appearing in direct chat

[wraith bane]

the two sides thing i think isnt a bug its an intended feature to push the battle system

unless they stated it was a bug

idk

i always assumed it was an intended thing

[novel geode]

that's not a bug

new feature since like last month?

[naive spruce]

Extra days still havent fixed. I doubt that

[novel geode]

or since march

[wraith bane]

nah its been around for a bit

way before that

[sand fulcrum]

It's a bug

[novel geode]

yeah I remember it's in announcement section

[sand fulcrum]

But it's unnecessary to me

[wraith bane]

i agree

[sand fulcrum]

There's already a battle mode

And youre gonna do that to direct chat

Hell nah

[wraith bane]

i always thought it was just like "look at two bots that COULD be better than the one you're using!!!"

[limber hound]

chat: 15 rq/d
search: 15 rq/d
agent mode: not sure but barely limited. a lot, a lot more than 15. can't find proper header to that

[novel geode]

they want you to use battle mod so they can score the llms

[limber hound]

battle mode shares rate limits with direct chat pretty sure

ty

[novel geode]

yeah I was talking about the battle in direct topic

not the current issue

[sand fulcrum]

Wtf bro

[novel geode]

since march they kept doing things like that so

[wraith bane]

agent is kinda mid at least for my prompts

[sand fulcrum]

Why agent mode is the only not bugging

[novel geode]

you know they want to cut cost but they kept saying 'it's a bug'

[sand fulcrum]

It should've been bugging too

[wraith bane]

i think agent mode is arena's specific chatbot

[novel geode]

'it's an experiment'

[wraith bane]

not gemini or chat or anything

[sand fulcrum]

This website is gonna be dead for sure

[sand fulcrum]

Because it's been two days

[novel geode]

with 0 transparency until people find out

[wraith bane]

i think pineapple has said what he can say but theres no excuse for the actual devs

"devs"

idk if i can trust devs that cant even fix a captcha issue

[novel geode]

yeah he's not a developer

just some discord manager

[wraith bane]

yea i dont blame pineapple for not being transparent hes just a comm manager

i do have my suspicions of the actual devs tho

[novel geode]

not pineapple I mean the team

I would say pineapple dont know much more than us

[wraith bane]

yea thats what im sayin

that problem is one of many that could be fixed by any competent team i think

[limber hound]

could be tbh

[wraith bane]

if its ntot their own than they should at least say what type it is i think

it was but this is more important rn

[limber hound]

yep

hard lock on telling actual model name

[wraith bane]

i think all models on arena cant

cuz theres like a specific type of coding they have on their respective platforms that isnt on arena

thats what i saw tho

i never tested

[novel geode]

bruh this stickybot

We will share the most recent updates though this message. The current status is we are investigating the root cause.

[wraith bane]

i get why all these companies and shi want limits on their chatbots but like its so ridiculous

[sand fulcrum]

I'm waiting bro

[wraith bane]

google be tryna bank off ai bein not as good rn before theres no need for a subscription

[charred vessel]

Investigating for two days straight?

[wraith bane]

they be doing NOTHIN dawg

[novel geode]

They wanna cut on cost and I'm not paying them I understand but just tell me they set a limit

[wraith bane]

does lmarena even have devs or just comm managers

[limber hound]

https://tenor.com/view/why-is-he-lying-wong-gif-5558347777370316415

[novel geode]

since march tons of 1d1otic moves

[sand fulcrum]

Yeah

[dusky ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-crazy-crazy-ishowspeed-speed-crashing-out-gif-13267980027367138180

[sand fulcrum]

It's been two months

[wraith bane]

i would not be surprised if that office is empty asl rn

[sand fulcrum]

Where is the team rn

What have they been doing

[wraith bane]

like its covered in sand and cobwebs

on some spongebob shi

[charred vessel]

😭😭

[dusky ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dusting-spider-web-cleaning-house-back-to-work-gif-12791562

[wraith bane]

the arena ai offices

except no one is there working to dust off the tables

i will say tho

ik arena is like a small team with a lot of flaws but tbh this is the best outcome for this kind of site

[novel geode]

recording test review vedios, teambuilding vlogs

[wraith bane]

if arena was owned by like openai or some shi we'd be screwed

[charred vessel]

They’re still funded heavy aren’t they?

It shouldn’t take two days to investigate a “root cause”

[wraith bane]

i mean i think he could understand the frustration of everyone rn

[novel geode]

leaving pineapple with outragous users and they all know nothing

[simple zealot]

Yes bro

[novel geode]

epic move if they ban

[limber hound]

it's been said daily limits will be introduced to keep arena financially stable, because people using it more and more. i'm 100% sure limits will be higher than 15 rq/d, so it's just about time when they actually finish the update

[wraith bane]

and we havent rly said anything wrong tbh just that it dont seem like they rly doin much

the update shouldnt even take that long tho bruh

[wraith bane]

itd be much funnier if he just replied and owned me with facts and logic

[limber hound]

well, half is true

limits are very real

[wraith bane]

which is kind of what i want anyway

[novel geode]

didnt they also say they want to commit the 'completed version' of the new usage system not part of it?

and now what

[limber hound]

https://tenor.com/view/warr10r-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-mahoraga-jjk-mahoraga-gif-12823563926779455573

[sand fulcrum]

I can't even ask questions

I'll get muted if I did

[wraith bane]

well theres no one rly to ask

[novel geode]

no difference

only stickybot replys

[wraith bane]

the only one with some form of info is pineapple and hes only a comm manager

hes our only funnel to the devs

[worn jetty]

🍍

[limber hound]

if anyone need to use somethin, you can always go
GLM, Kimi, Deepseek, Gemini (AIStudio) and Qwen

GLM is good all-around, Gemini would be better but limits

[worn jetty]

Gemini AI studio also have limits just 10 msg we are done

[simple zealot]

Hey anyone Read terms and conditions
It says if anything happens they can ask for
Payments

[wraith bane]

gemini has been slightly more generous ill give them that

the new limit system is only a little bit better

[simple zealot]

Yes

[limber hound]

elaborate?

where

[worn jetty]

Every ai is now introducing limits!!!...
It was quite better in older days!!

[wraith bane]

chatgpt in particular needs to get rid of its limits

gpt is dumb asl

[warm violet]

the limits are here to stay

[limber hound]

it's getting more competitive. at some point limits will be softened. ai is developing faster than light

[warm violet]

first they draw you in

then they raise the price

it's enshittification

[wraith bane]

like everything ever

[simple zealot]

Well you can read full terms and conditions
It says that they can ask for payments in their web site

[thorny schooner]

Are you referring to this ?

[limber hound]

iirc they weren't planning on introducing subs, BUT

daily limits makes me think

[simple zealot]

Little below

[worn jetty]

Do u know I asked gpt once "can I drink cold water I ate a thick curd"
Gpt said "yes of course make sure u don't chuck more"...
Meanwhile claude and gemini immediately said " No, don't drink anything for 20 mins, cold water can cause digest harder"

[thorny schooner]

oh

[wraith bane]

gpt is a little dumb

and also just has less features tbh

[worn jetty]

Gpt says yes to everything

[limber hound]

no additional notice of consent is required
i love this line

[thorny schooner]

there's also this one also this one

[worn jetty]

Wah🤡

[limber hound]

share something funny if you find

[wraith bane]

if arena starts chargin thats prolly when it'd end

[wild isle]

We are currently investigating an issue where some users are not getting a response to their prompts. We’re sorry for the inconvenience, and the team is actively working on a fix. We will share the most recent updates though this message. The current status is we are investigating the root cause.

[wraith bane]

gemini is goated

[worn jetty]

People using Chinese AI more like deepseek and qwen, kimi....

[wraith bane]

the gemini redemption arc is one for the history books

[limber hound]

they have good free options

GLM 5.1 is like... unlimited pretty sure

as well as deepseek

[worn jetty]

It have less memory tokens!! Though

[thorny schooner]

Honestly should I be concerned but as soon as I saw that line I was like not surprised at least they have it in contract though

[wraith bane]

gpt isnt so bad on that front its just mogged by gemini in terms of the intelligence of the bot and the features

like when i saw gemini develop some in-engine visualizer i was blown away

[worn jetty]

Do u know open ai was launching romantic gpt too but due to some concent they didn't released!!!📈

[novel geode]

actually the DSv4 is fine for most daily usage and It's not expensive

[wraith bane]

these ToS have been around forever prolly so we already fell into the shi

[cloud mason]

Hi guys, newbie here and sorry to interrupt y’all’s conversation. But am I the only one who feels I’m blocked on the site? My response is always graying out once I send out a prompt. Am I the only one facing this? 😖

[wraith bane]

stickybot

[novel geode]

no

[worn jetty]

Yes I read these...
they are mostly in control, they can ban ur email, stuck, read ur every chats too...

[wraith bane]

this is all mostly if they have to tho

this is all completely legal

i think

[cloud mason]

Oh thank goodness. Been panicking since yesterday m. Damn 🤧

[cloud mason]

Oh thank you

[wraith bane]

its apart of the limit system or at least related to it some capacity

[worn jetty]

Hmm? Well every person at higher echelon always want control over something! Our governments also do same things!!!

[limber hound]

well, iirc those are generic ToS paragrpahs.

but the most interesting thing:
they can start charging money without any announcments (which is funny, but ToS give them this right)

[weak nova]

may26-chatbot3 seems smart

[wraith bane]

i wouldnt be surprised if they generated ts with ai 😭

[wraith bane]

gemini generate me generic ToS

[novel geode]

is it reset 00:00 PT?

[wraith bane]

mine reset in between 6:00-10:00 PM

[thorny schooner]

Oh I know I am so not used to specifically looking at them so it's just something like oh neat

[wraith bane]

the specific time idk but it was in between that area

[limber hound]

upd: i lied, it's actually illegal and ToS can't change it. they have to announce this at least once
-# They can wake up tomorrow, send out an email saying "New Terms: Effective in 30 days, every request will cost $0.10," and then start charging you. And because of Clause 4, they wouldn't need your extra permission to invoice you after that 30-day notice period passes.

[wraith bane]

oh shi

[worn jetty]

Lol

[novel geode]

It's not likely they charge you when you had no knowledge

[wild isle]

.

[novel geode]

but they can tell you someday and force you choose though

[worn jetty]

🍍is resting..

[wraith bane]

they do that and its over for them ngl

[novel geode]

that's how enshittifcation work not a surprise

happens everyday

[wraith bane]

pyramid schemes but for online services

kind of

[dusky ravine]

God how long

[thorny schooner]

Honestly I kind of hate how so it normalize that is to point out I'm kind of thinking if it happens it happened ☠️and not really thinking anything about it

[wraith bane]

first u make a good product then make it worse to make ppl pay for smthn better, then make it worse for the business people and then shut it down

the problem is how lucrative is enshittification

like if ur gon make the service worse and then run with the money it should be worth doing that for these mfs

[novel geode]

many times it's just trying to be a copycat of those who earned from it

and they mess up with their own business and earned little

[wraith bane]

crazy how having a good consistent product is possibly more lucrative in the long term

amazing concept

[thorny schooner]

Honestly, I'm not going to be surprised, though, if that type of strategy is going to backfire eventually, sooner or later cuz it just does not seem sustainable, especially with the open sources being part of the internet ( i'm referring in General by the way) especially with how deter certain points of the internet can be in combination with the whole awareness stuff that seems to be on the rise

[wraith bane]

its not sustainable its a borderline scheme

[novel geode]

sadly the world is declining people are not that rational

[wraith bane]

i think ai and enshittification doesnt work cuz ai is just slowly getting better as the years go by

by slowly i mean quickly

[novel geode]

ai or llm is on it's rise but

platforms may decay

[wraith bane]

there wont be a reason to pay for a better model cuz ai will just become smarter and smarter

[novel geode]

and got replaced

[uneven depot]

Bruh what happened to the recent issue

[wraith bane]

stickybot

[thorny schooner]

I'm going to get that point i mean overall as it has a system it seems there is growing efforts to combat such things after I pretty sure didn't Europe pass orsomething like wh to pass something like Digital Markets Act among other such systematic efforts

Did not mean to get that off topic but well here we are now lol

[wraith bane]

yea but thats europe so that makes sense

[uneven depot]

Wdym

[wraith bane]

the stickybot pinned at the bottom is all we know of the issue rn

[uneven depot]

Oh I forgot

[novel geode]

''Copy understood, we are checking''

just like Ferrari tr

[wraith bane]

its not replying to anyone its a single text that is programmed to push to the bottom

[thorny schooner]

There's also the UK stuff, so I think something called the DMCC Act and the 2024 landmark ruling that Google holds an illegal search monopoly if I remember correctly, that had something like having them from signing exclusive default search agreements with device makers in Washington DC ( the trials ), and other stuff like that

[wraith bane]

idk cuz that would be a rly weird business move

well

[echo aurora]

Hey, while we absolutely welcome constructive criticism and feedback, this conversation feels like it’s starting to loop and become less productive.

It’s okay to have concerns about the future, but I do want to emphasize that we at Arena are optimistic. Ultimately, whether someone picks to continue using Arena is up to them. Our goal is to keep building something people enjoy using, and if someone decides to move on, that’s okay too. Hopefully along the way we helped them discover new AI models and experiences.

That said, I’m going to ask that we move on from this convo, as it’s starting to go in circles and getting a bit old

[thorny schooner]

But I'm getting off off topic I'm just going to finish this it's interesting to talk about that but also I know that sort of stuff will probably take years to really go into effect

[echo aurora]

We're working on a fix as fast as we can. It's not in anyways best interest for this bug to be happening.

[wraith bane]

because ai companies need it in order to test the capabilities of their models and see how they fare against competitors

[tulip citrus]

Hi

[wraith bane]

hopefully things look up in the coming days

ik u prolly know as much as we do abt this

[astral plinth]

The developers are doing everything they can; if you're so smart, why don't you go ahead and create such a grand project yourself?

[wraith bane]

https://giphy.com/gifs/TheUndroppables-chalk-101chalk-op-KtiZRJhqJalRikl455

[astral plinth]

Artificial intelligence is very dangerous in open source, you never know what people will come up with

[tulip citrus]

How I can make videos here

[echo aurora]

You can find Video Arena on our site here: https://arena.ai/video To learn more about how to use Video Arena I'd recommend this article.

[tulip citrus]

Thank you Pineapple 🙂

[astral plinth]

I'm talking about being patient. Instead of rushing in right away

Why create a scandal, if you don't like something, create it yourself or find an alternative

[limpid pumice]

Have a sandwich🥪

[modern wedge]

atp im just enjoying yall conspiracy shi

[astral plinth]

Sorry

[limpid pumice]

Sustenance calms the mind🥯

[young cave]

For a few days now, there has been a response issue on the site. When a message or question is sent, no response is received. No error is shown either.

[limpid pumice]

Back read my dude🥞

[slim spire]

Is Agent mode still rolling out?

[spare lava]

Did anyone find the issue?

[wraith bane]

this profile picture is unbelievably hard

[echo aurora]

Really sorry to say this is a bug we've been experiencing. The team has been investigating and rolling out some changes, some users are still getting this bug unfortunately

[echo aurora]

Yes

[thorny schooner]

Hope you all having a good morning at least

[inland quest]

Just create Arena 2 at this moment, lol

[white yoke]

Do you have an estimate for when the bug fix will be completed?

[echo aurora]

No, we don't have an estimate

[thorny current]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-cat-okay-cat-cat-ok-cat-okay-thumbs-up-crying-cat-gif-3841103887123972802

[echo aurora]

https://klipy.com/gifs/crying-cat-blink

[rigid holly]

God damn. Keep rising the hopes up more will you.

It juat loves teasing us with access before ripping it away

[restive walrus]

🐧

[sand fulcrum]

It's not working

Brahhhh

[blazing hill]

@echo aurora Apologies for the direct ping, but I wanted to share a strategic monetization idea. We should consider introducing a low-barrier subscription tier for our premium 4K generation capabilities. By implementing a highly accessible micro-pricing model—such as €1/week or €3/month—we can disrupt the market. This competitive positioning would allow us to undercut rivals charging exorbitant premiums for 4K AI generation, effectively capturing dominant market share.

[limber crag]

em dash detected opinion rejected

[sand fulcrum]

What

[rigid holly]

I mean it worked for a bit then it just broke again

[sand fulcrum]

How is it working wth

Why are some others fixed already

....

[rigid holly]

It is not. It worked for like an hour/5 posts and then it went back to being broken

[blazing hill]

For me is working ?

Look

[sand fulcrum]

Dude

[sand fulcrum]

Gow

How

[blazing hill]

Select a model

Not on max

Select a model

and what do you want to do there, generate images, videos or whatever you want?

[sand fulcrum]

Why not max

[toxic verge]

Doubt it probably cost based

It’s a slippery slope

Yeah, but it’s the same reoccurring models that usually Gemini or grok

[blazing hill]

Try Gemini 3.5 flash or Claude - sonnet 4.6 those are the best A.I's in my opinion, the plant ones are crap

[grim cliff]

Kimi k2.6, GLM 5.1 deepseek pro beats those

and qween 3.6 ofc

3.7*

[blazing hill]

for what?

[grim cliff]

In general

[inland quest]

Max router is absurd now because for 99% tasks it calls gemini flash or pro which basically are best performing models available in direct chat.

[blazing hill]

well, do you want to chat with the A.I. xddd

[blazing hill]

Oi , nice PFP btw

[fading thunder]

Has the bug that caused the AI ​​to become unresponsive been fixed yet?

[blazing hill]

Is not fixed ! :,(

[fading thunder]

OK,niceAnswer

[inland quest]

Do you see sticky bot?

[fading thunder]

NO

[blazing hill]

I don't know why you stress so much, if you want it to answer a question, you select Gemini 3.5 pro because it uses the Google engine which is the the best model in the world in the world, if you want code, use clouds and so on, if you want it to work, you select a model that you know will respond to your specific prompts.

Do as you wish and as you wish, I just wanted to help.

[wild isle]

Hm

[sand fulcrum]

Yk

I tried using battle and side by side

Well I'll be damned, it doesn't work too

[dense sphinx]

Not still working.

[sand fulcrum]

Dw bro

This bug will be fixed eventually

[subtle bane]

Lowkey curious how far people here have gotten in Son of Anton 👀
I recently started exploring it and some of the levels are surprisingly creative lol

https://anton.securelayer7.net/

[dense sphinx]

@sand fulcrum thank you my friend.

[austere bison]

Any other site to use claude??

Arena is down rn

[rigid holly]

Arena has been down for like 2 days m8

With the occasional corpse twitch

[thorny schooner]

3 depending on your time zone

[restive walrus]

🐧

Almost 3 day now 🐧🐧

[ivory temple]

when will it gonna fix

[restive walrus]

Who know maybe tomorrow

[restive walrus]

Like deltarune tomorrow 🐧

[outer flicker]

arena gotta down soon

[sand fulcrum]

Who knows

[outer flicker]

yeah just my theory :/

[hoary copper]

Hello, could you tell me that the gemini-3.1-flash-image-preview and gemini-3-pro-image-preview-2k models have disappeared from the arena. Have they been removed permanently? Perhaps this question already been asked?

[hollow spoke]

Yay it works again

[restive walrus]

It not work yet just trỵ to send like 3-4 message 🐧

[clever glade]

it works for me

[rigid holly]

Give it an hour

[charred vessel]

Two days and they’re still “investigating” the root cause. I wouldn’t count on it happening anytime soon

[heady mist]

Yeah.. they remove it in side by side mode & direct mode. But somehow it still exist in battle mode.

[hollow ice]

I heard 2 days, like for real just experienced mine this morning

[sand fulcrum]

If they don't fix it rn

Or tomorrow

Everyone here might quit

[hollow ice]

😂

[charred vessel]

They’re literally not working on it

They’re office is abandoned and filled with cobwebs

[sand fulcrum]

How'd you know

Tf

[vale shell]

How can I contact support?

[thorny schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/son-son-meme-pokemon-pokemon-meme-pokemon-memes-gif-1463170253926200682

[charred vessel]

It’s not legit but

2 days and a heavily funded team is still investigating a root cause

They aren’t trying

[shy remnant]

Moving Past Brittle AI Wrappers: Why Most Production Agents Fail 🧠🛠️

Hey everyone, wanted to drop a quick architectural breakdown based on some pipeline refactoring I’ve been doing recently.

Most people building "agents" right now are just writing fancy scripts:
User Input ➡️ LLM API Call ➡️ Output

The second a webhook payload format changes unexpectedly or an external API logs a 500 error, the entire system completely collapses. If your AI automation requires a developer standing by to manually reset it, it’s a brittle wrapper, not a sovereign system.

How to architect resilient agentic loops at scale:

1️⃣ The Middle-Tier Sanitizer: Never pass raw external data straight to an LLM logic gate. Enforce a rigid middle-tier router (like a custom Flask sanitizer route) to type-check schemas before reasoning triggers.
2️⃣ State Machines over Linear Chains: Break tasks into micro-nodes. Let the framework track execution time, token cost, and accuracy at every step before deciding to pass data to the next agent.
3️⃣ Continuous Self-Auditing: True automation needs real-world runtime logs and automated compliance reporting piped out to external endpoints natively.

Stop writing basic prompts and start building self-healing infrastructure.

I’ve compiled my complete code schemas, logic routing patterns, and monetization strategies for these networks into a definitive framework guide: The Punch Card Prophecy (2026-2027 Edition).

If you want to skip the trial-and-error and see the production setup, check it out here:
👉 https://killrypto.gumroad.com/l/chqsuv

[sand fulcrum]

Tell the team about it btw

[charred vessel]

They know about the bug

They’re working on it as we speak but it doesn’t seem like they are actually taking it serious

[clever glade]

this server would benefit so much from automod

[hollow ice]

I feel like after a while the server removes few people, literally it's working but for few

[sand fulcrum]

It's not even working for me rn

[charred vessel]

It works for 5-10 messages before stopping response

[sand fulcrum]

Yeah

[vale shell]

Neural networks stopped answering my questions. what to do?

[junior gyro]

Maybe daily usage limits?

[charred vessel]

Likely not, the devs confirmed it was a bug

[zenith zinc]

"gpt-image-2 (medium)" and "gpt-image-1.5-high-fidelity" no longer available for image generation?

[junior gyro]

So far inconvenient and annoying for me....but I have patience

[velvet yarrow]

I wonder how long this is going to take.

I really liked Arena, so this situation is honestly disappointing. The issue itself is one thing, but what worries me more is the lack of clear progress updates, no ETA, and no commitment like “we will update again by this time.”

For a service with this many users, the communication feels very lacking right now. I hope the team can improve how outage updates and support communication are handled going forward.

[pale blaze]

Seriously? Has it been more than two days, and the problem has not been fixed?

[restive walrus]

Chill 🐧

[dusky ravine]

the whole user has lost their mind waiting for the issue to be fixed

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-crazy-crazy-ishowspeed-speed-crashing-out-gif-13267980027367138180

[tardy sage]

These past few days, each of my accounts stops being able to ask questions after I’ve asked a few per day.

[sand ravine]

devs is trolling. This isn't a bug, it's a hidden limit.

[charred vessel]

Source?

[light sleet]

Source: trust me bro!!!

[thorny schooner]

why is so many people saying this is a hidden limit ☠️

[sand ravine]

There's no proof, it's just a very obvious pattern, with fuzzy logic and counting. It doesn't look like a bug, especially since it hasn't been fixed for 3 days. It's a shadow limit, but for some reason, no one's talking about it openly yet. All indirect factors indicate that it's not a bug, it's not random, but works according to a clear algorithm.

[thorny schooner]

Well if it was one it has a pretty damn long limit as it's practically day three for me at least now and had not gotten a single second attempt yet to use it

[charred vessel]

I get it seems that way but then again

It also makes 0

Sense

[charred vessel]

And it’s a pretty terrible limit and a bad business move on Arena’s end

[low ibex]

please im hoping it will fix in about 2 more days, pleaseee

[hollow ice]

@tepid grove ahh, that's ok

[charred vessel]

I don’t think they’d kill their site on purpose

[rigid holly]

Ngl if you only get like 5 messages as a limit daily wtf is the point of stsying

5 messages is already the hourly limit

[dusky ravine]

it'll be fix within a week

[sand fulcrum]

how about the other accounts

[junior gyro]

At the moment....that's all I have to work with

[charred vessel]

?

[sand fulcrum]

oh nvm

it works rn

[low ibex]

i hope so

[hollow ice]

Wdym

[dusky ravine]

nope it'll be blank once you make around 8-10 prompt or even less

[low ibex]

the root cause is more likely to be the code in the agent mode, i thiink.

[thorny schooner]

My other account already went blank on me honestly

[sand fulcrum]

ik

its aight

[dusky ravine]

it took so long

[low ibex]

the day before the i got the blank bug, my account having captcha spamming over every prompt and after that, the next day the blank bug appeared

[silent tree]

for me the bug didnt even come once

since the day it began lmao

I did like hundreds

[sand fulcrum]

fr

[silent tree]

still no bug

[sand fulcrum]

yep the bug disappears in one account

[silent tree]

Im still using arena happily

[silent tree]

did u just

[low ibex]

good for you

[silent tree]

admit

u use alts

[thorny schooner]

Damn lucky for you it has appeared in both of my accounts

[cloud wagon]

Hey, Why I'm not able to use image generation models Nano Banana Pro (gemini)

[sand fulcrum]

i use my old accounts

not alts

[silent tree]

why is everyone admitting

it

[sand fulcrum]

my accounts are like 5 years

[low ibex]

they remove it

[silent tree]

still

[sand fulcrum]

i only have five accs

[silent tree]

in arena

u cant have more than 1

in arena

[cloud wagon]

Permanently?

[thorny schooner]

Brother let's be real here i've seen people say i have seen other people mention multiple accounts directly in front of the mods and nothing has been

[low ibex]

we cant? i have more than 10 alt acc, which i creted just to bypass limit in chatgpt before, but now im just using 4 account in lm arena

[low ibex]

i think so?

[silent tree]

we cant

[sand fulcrum]

so you saying everyone can't have more

[silent tree]

Its not allowed

if they catch u

[sand fulcrum]

who told you its not allowed

[silent tree]

ur banned

[sand fulcrum]

tf

[silent tree]

from arena

[dusky ravine]

give us the source

[thorny schooner]

.

[silent tree]

pineapple did

lmao

u can ask him

[low ibex]

i mean in lm arena not in discord

[silent tree]

ye

im saying in arena too

[sand fulcrum]

it doesn't matter if i got a lot of accs

as long as you don't break the rule

so yeah

[low ibex]

yeah