general

[outer flicker]

Guy can we try chat prompt in battle mode?

[silent tree]

Very

[low ibex]

already tried, it still do the same bug

[sand ravine]

None of the models are working. Apparently they deliberately disabled them under the guise of a bug to direct the flow to their own AGENT MODE.
Check back in a day.

[toxic verge]

Yeah arena has definitely been falling off

[steady orchid]

For me, only Agent Mode works. I get the feeling they want me to use only that, even though I don't want to create a website, a PDF file, or anything more detailed.

[silent tree]

gave better result than opus 4.7 @outer flicker https://019e4f3f-d4be-7857-88e4-e64b533622b2.arena.site/

[lucid linden]

yooo arena is finally working

[clever glade]

yes its very good

[orchid breach]

can anyone help me to how to use video arena2 plzzzzzz

[clever glade]

not many limits on web

[low ibex]

real?

[tropic cosmos]

Try at least 15 prompts. Did it work?

[outer flicker]

Yeah im try create a weather website in qwen studio and really good

[silent tree]

what are the limits on qwen web

[lucid linden]

yeah at least for me

[silent tree]

I haven't got it yet

😭

[clever glade]

idk

[outer flicker]

They even say qwen we atuo fix bug don’t need us have to find out

[low ibex]

is it new account or old account? if your using old account ima try it myself

[vale vortex]

Have you been trying to use it for a while?

[silent tree]

yay my no bug for watermelon website is ready made with qwen 3.7 max https://019e5a04-764f-7f41-831c-25aa1a018b87.arena.site/

[lucid linden]

it's an old acc, i had the same issue yesterday but it's working now

[sand ravine]

How long will it last? We need to wait at least half an hour; there have already been brief, temporary improvements.

[clever glade]

qwen 3.7 max preview best free llm together with gemini 3.1 pro(non english)

[lucid linden]

well i just started a new chat to test it and it works just fine

[low ibex]

what if you use old chat, does it still running fine?

[lucid linden]

yeah it still works

[low ibex]

ima check it myself

[lucid linden]

alr alr

[frozen zealot]

it works briefly and goes back to not working

[vale vortex]

Ohhh boyy, from what I've experienced... yesterday it didn't work. This morning it didn't work, then at noon, it worked for a while..and then during this afternoon it stopped working again..

[vale vortex]

Exactly

[frozen zealot]

i think it is a problem in the implementation of the new usage system

[lucid linden]

imma try using it for a while and see if it will still work

[lethal quail]

i think i have the same problem that stop generating after you write a prompt, anyone knows how to solve this??

[outer flicker]

When they fixing maybe they will udpate website with new usage sytem then removing model come back wohoo

[frozen zealot]

i got logged out on my laptop so i have to use my phone to check if it's working

my session expired and the login is broken

[low ibex]

aint working, f*ck.

[echo stratus]

Any other webiste unless its fixed😆

[tropic cosmos]

It's server side. The team is doing something right now.

[lucid linden]

damn

[sand ravine]

Is this some kind of veiled advertisement for AGENT MODE or are they simply preparing to introduce strict limits even for TEXT generation?

[outer flicker]

Before arena did yupp ai have issue too?

[lethal quail]

i hope they solve it soon bc i need to solve a problem with a thing that i'm creating

[low ibex]

yeah they definitely advertising agent mode.

[tropic cosmos]

If it's strictly limiting text to 5-15 messages a day, that'll be damned.

[steady orchid]

I agree, because that's the only thing that works, and so far I haven't had any data limits either

[vale vortex]

Welp if you "hit the limit" soon, it might be due to future implementation of the new system

But still , it wouldn't make sense since this problem happens across all models

[silent tree]

WHY @echo aurora

[lucid linden]

if it happens again i'll just use an alt

cuz it works on new accounts from what i saw

[low ibex]

same. i like to use both model such as gemini 3.1 pro and gemini 3 flash, so just in case 3.1 pro got limited, ill change into gemini flash and then waiting until the limit is over and use 3.1 again, and doing it again and again, its useful

[tropic cosmos]

Until you hit the limit again

[sand ravine]

I think ultimately their goal is to train their model on our data and close everything else, leaving only their own and paid others.

[digital magnet]

bruh arena again dead

[steady orchid]

I always use claude-sonnet-4-20250514-thinking-32k; I've never had any issues with it before, but for the past two days I haven't been able to write anything at all

[toxic verge]

Censorship

[digital magnet]

my model ai It just stopped generating my text in 1 second.

[vale vortex]

😭😭😭

[low ibex]

we all had the same problem since 1 day ago

[echo dome]

worst censorship to be exist

[digital magnet]

oh

[echo dome]

in new account:

SyntaxError: Failed to execute 'json' on 'Response': Unexpected token 'T', "Too many r"... is not valid JSON

[thin grove]

Hey guys! I made something cool called faintly https://github.com/GordonFreeman21/Faintly Faintly is a minimalist desktop text editor designed to help writers overcome writer's block and perfectionism by forcing them to write forward without editing as they go.

[uneven depot]

Hello! I'm Ryusei and the reason I joined here is because I used the website mostly on narrative storytelling with some ChatGPT and Claude models on top of the text models, but lately I been getting the same issue as not getting AI sent message whenever I typed the prompt. So peace!

[echo dome]

SyntaxError: Failed to execute 'json' on 'Response': Unexpected token 'T', "Too many r"... is not valid JSON

[low ibex]

i think it was intended to make the system error so that it makes a flow to make people use agent mode

[remote marsh]

Why is the website so slow

[echo dome]

SyntaxError: Failed to execute 'json' on 'Response': Unexpected token 'T', "Too many r"... is not valid JSON as it says here on console

[remote marsh]

Where

[echo dome]

arena.ai f12

[remote marsh]

Ooo that

[echo dome]

so if you create new account it works but it won't work after (server overloads)

[rigid holly]

damn, even the "search" option broke now

[orchid breach]

can any one help me how to use video arena 2 or 3 plzzzz

[echo dome]

because they broke it by removing gpt image 2 and nano banana pro

[echo dome]

karma works again

[toxic verge]

Who loves the update

😂

I hope Gemini fails and goes bankrupt, and I hope it takes down Google with it

[trail elbow]

is it just me thats glitch?
if i send a message to the ai it doesnt send, there is no error, it just doesnt send and i dont receive a resposne

oh

[buoyant walrus]

WHY HASN'T IT BEEN FIXED YET? 😭

[echo dome]

server overloaded

[buoyant walrus]

I think it will be fixed tomorrow

[storm dust]

i suppose the r means requests

[echo dome]

i don't think tomorrow will be fixed

[buoyant walrus]

so when?

[echo dome]

yes

[buoyant walrus]

June?

[thick lantern]

Or we would get 11 responses before the problem returns. Just like today

[buoyant walrus]

It's been too long

[echo dome]

when servers get fixed

[fallen verge]

It's already been resolved?

[buoyant walrus]

it will be next year

[silent tree]

no its tonight

melon prediction

[buoyant walrus]

no

[thick lantern]

Basically we could only send the AI 11 questions/reply before it froze again

[echo dome]

no

only new account for now

[silent tree]

cap works for me fully since 2 days

main cc

[jovial remnant]

Sometimes works for me

[buoyant walrus]

That doesn't sound good at all.

[vale vortex]

Oh, so it's due to server overload?

[thick lantern]

What AI did you use?

[silent tree]

all of them lol

I tested all

[echo dome]

yup

[silent tree]

models

[remote gulch]

In fact, this IS the daily usage limit. There is no bug at all, but the official doesn‘t want to tell you!
Don‘t think about asking them to fix the bug. It’s not a bug at all. This is just an EXCUSE for them to restrict our use of the direct mode!!

[silent tree]

direct, side by side, agent, code arena, video, image, all work for me too

[vale vortex]

Ohh.. alright...it shouldn't be that worrying then, I suppose

[silent tree]

https://giphy.com/gifs/who-is-this-bro-thinks-he-part-of-the-team-dexter-1WDPXjoRunc9KLbt13

[echo dome]

what

[thick lantern]

For me, only the text that didnt work. The video and image and search and coding work just fine

[buoyant walrus]

Does anyone know of a website that uses Gemini 3.1 Pro preview and has a longer download limit like Arena?

[uneven depot]

Guys same issue?

[night moat]

The same thing happened with Supergrok. Just generating 720p video 5-10 times already hit the limit.

[buoyant walrus]

i need free 🤓

[fast dew]

Holy delusional

[sly cedar]

Me when i see buzzer:

[night moat]

Is it because of this that arena.ai removed gemini 3?

[sly cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-gif-12716535596245055877

[toxic verge]

Its cause the ai industry is driven by greed

[simple zealot]

Are you guys having same issue as before even in windows

[sly cedar]

While deepseek is cheaper 🔥

[toxic verge]

It’s biggest motivator

[toxic verge]

For now

[sand fulcrum]

How'd you know

Tf

[sly cedar]

Yeah but when it gets more cost it aint that high

[toxic verge]

If it’s cheaper, that means more people will use it

[fast dew]

Yo but I think they are investigating an issue where some users are not getting a response to their prompts and I think they are sorry for their inconvenience, and the team is actively working on a fix. And also I think the message will be deleted when the issue is resolved.

[sly cedar]

I know, but it won't be that expensive soon

[echo dome]

console

[storm dust]

angry kids got so angry that they started to send too many requests to image models begging them to be gpt image 2 or nano banana pro

[uncut dragon]

Really? Oh my gosh, how’d you know? :o

[echo dome]

lol

[toxic verge]

Jevons Paradox

[sly cedar]

Previous ago

[uncut dragon]

Yeah that.. that was the joke.. :(

[sly cedar]

Nah i'd quit AI 🔥

[uneven depot]

For me, I tried all the things made by Gemini itself

[sly cedar]

LOL

[uneven depot]

To resolve the issue but failed

[fast dew]

Anthropic is actually so buns bro

[storm dust]

lmao

[sly cedar]

Gpt and Gemini aura farmin

[uneven depot]

Accurate

[sly cedar]

Double G

[sly cedar]

Holiday in Ohio

Or classic hotel trivago?

[sly cedar]

Son uses ai for this 😭

[storm dust]

efficency

[toxic verge]

Y not

[sly cedar]

Id generate anthropic hub

[toxic verge]

Get to the job

[icy yew]

Why

[fast dew]

Just is gng

[sly cedar]

What about anthropic hub's logical mapping?

[toxic verge]

Unless it depends on running on smiles and sunshine

[silent tree]

ayo what is this in canaryarena 😭

[toxic verge]

Yup

There we go

[storm dust]

cooked

[toxic verge]

Agent is the chief default for the masses

[hollow ivy]

important poll: #leaderboards message

[toxic verge]

It’s over folks lol

[sly cedar]

Rip

[toxic verge]

They want in on the money

[storm dust]

COOKED

[toxic verge]

Can’t blame them

[nova vault]

hmmmm

i am getting bore

[shell canopy]

we think if they remove the premium models, fine, but dont include subscriptions here. since arena is a research platform

[light sleet]

bro its literally gpt image 2 😭

[silent tree]

Lmao

[sly cedar]

Kreekcraft if he was Arena ai user be like: "Arena is COOKED!"

[thick lantern]

Well. Its been fun while it last

[light sleet]

It's gpt image 2 😭

but so accurate

[shell canopy]

ye but since arena.ai is already valued $1.6B so why all in on money?

[storm dust]

qwen 3.7?

[echo dome]

what is this now

[limpid pumice]

Well we're cooked

[thin grove]

Deepseek v4

[north fossil]

How do you know this ?

[storm dust]

oh nice

[silent tree]

It's gpt image 2

[shell canopy]

here

[storm dust]

nice

[north fossil]

So everything will be payed now?

[thick lantern]

Oh. Well i never used it anyway. Is it that good?

[thin grove]

No

just to keep it maintained

[silent tree]

it's insane

[storm dust]

my discord lagged when i entered canary arena lol

[storm dust]

it looked fake though i didnt really believe it

[silent tree]

Bad prompt

[shell canopy]

if the premium models removed, let these models be removed anyway cuz we still have plenty of capable models
arena.ai should not be turned into a paid platform into the first place, cuz its original mission is a research platform

[thin grove]

How are they gonna get moneay then?

[shell canopy]

paid enterprise support
and series funding

[thin grove]

But if everyone uses direct chat

and stuff

[storm dust]

📉

[thin grove]

But they've seen to be losing money than they make

and donations aint enough

they make a credit system so we can have these premium models again

[shell canopy]

no, they are still very valuable at $1.7B as of now.

[shell canopy]

then it directly violates the very purpose of what arena.ai really is.

[thin grove]

Then use more battle mode instead of direct chat

[shell canopy]

then if you want those premium models just use battle mode, sure, but do not cram the paid system right into a supposed-to-be free system.
and if you just want these models long term, go pay the ai model providers.

[thin grove]

Tell that to the other people

you are stating my points

[thin grove]

and its not paid

[shell canopy]

however its important to note that any form of credit system should never be crammed in a research platform in a first place.

[echo dome]

result:

direct mode = message gone
battle mode = message gone
agent mode = still works but with bugs

[toxic verge]

But nobody is using it like a research platform

Everyone is using it for their own selfish means

I mean, are you using it for research purposes?

[shell canopy]

then if you use the models for selfish means, fine then use the side by side and direct chat with very capable models, such as claude sonnet 4.6, gemini 3.1 pro and grok 4.3
they are more than capable if you wish.

[modern wedge]

Im using it for writing fanfic

Dont judge me bruh

[shell canopy]

yes

[toxic verge]

😂

[echo dome]

"then if you use then fine, if you go then fine, if you send then fine"

[toxic verge]

Ok ok ok I believe u

[cobalt crane]

I miss Claude opus :(

[fallen verge]

.

[shell canopy]

me too

[hollow ivy]

i miss [text]arena

[toxic verge]

Yes, very important. Research was done when I was using the greatest and latest model.

[echo dome]

preview is gone

[toxic verge]

For free

[vale vortex]

Is this on arena or canary arena?

[echo dome]

canary arena

[cobalt crane]

I understand them rolling back the premium models because I always figured how the hell they afford it, because they are costly

[echo dome]

let's make all models premium for $100,000 and everyone will leave /j

[unkempt garnet]

Yep, this is the only explanation for why they haven't fixed this "bug" yet

[acoustic lark]

So, what do you guys normally do in Arena? I use it for text editing: mainly correcting errors.

[sand ravine]

The limit is 14 replies. It stopped working yesterday after 14 replies, and today, too. So what's the problem with writing about it?

[unkempt garnet]

Secret rate limit

[dark nymph]

hello any one know why he chat stuck self in 1 second then hide the bot and nothing shopwing

[sand ravine]

It's easier for me to go straight to the model I need. The advantage of the arena was that I could immediately compare the results of different models in one chat, but there's no point in it this way.

[unkempt garnet]

I'm fed up at this point ngl

[echo dome]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[unkempt garnet]

It was working for me for about 7-10 prompts and now it's broken again

[surreal zephyr]

@echo aurora <@&1349916362595635286>

[fast dew]

AI for roleplaying

https://tenor.com/view/dean-norris-hank-schrader-breaking-bad-happy-to-sad-gif-11096010550767994597

[sand ravine]

This is clearly a limitation, not a bug. Yesterday I received 14 responses and everything broke, and today it broke after 14. It's cringe, but what's the problem with writing that you've introduced a limit? A bug is a clear lie.

[echo dome]

ai for roleplay... but what about servers

[buoyant walrus]

<@&1349916362595635286> 😭

fix it quickly

[amber marten]

Arena alternative?

Arena alternative?

[lucid linden]

well it doesn't work anymore :/

[buoyant walrus]

shut up

[limber hound]

it is in fact bug. most likely, limits were pushed but they are REALLY broken, and for some reason team doesn't rollback to previous limits system, so now we have mix of bugs

[fast dew]

If this is the limit its so trash lol

Why is it so small

[vale vortex]

Oh...we all know what it means then, I suppose

[lucid linden]

yea..

[unkempt garnet]

Idk why they can't just be honest about what's going on and yeah it's definitely a limitation and not a "bug"

[worn palm]

My response diseppeared?

[vale vortex]

It's been awhile since I used GPT 5.2 Search in Arena (best search AI I've ever used, from what I've experienced)

[cobalt crane]

Hypothetically speaking would be more cheap to buy an arena subscription to access models than pay independently each platform?

[limber hound]

could be NDA(?)

probably they can't talk about backend development

[lucid linden]

tbh i only use text, image and sometimes code

[sand fulcrum]

If there's a limit, pineapple would've announced it himself right now

[echo dome]

you know what that means

arena.ai will be dead soon

[sand fulcrum]

But he didn't

[unkempt garnet]

Well even a vague explanation would be better than just breaking their website

[limber hound]

NDAs could be pretty rough. even vague explaination can get you fired and sued

[fast dew]

Lol from what i heard pineapple himself seems confused

[buoyant walrus]

everyone has run out of money to maintain the website

[blazing hill]

What do you mean?

[vale vortex]

It can very well be, especially given top and latest models are expensive and there are so many users of Arena here already

[limber hound]

from what is obvious, it's related to limits and they are broken as hell. it's clearly visible on client side

[sand fulcrum]

Other bugs are not even fixed like inf gen, required log in and other stuff

[remote marsh]

Got love the ability to stop where you left off and continue it in any LM studio / offline mode as well and others

[sand fulcrum]

It's been months

[fast dew]

This ain't js a bug though lol

[buoyant walrus]

they only fix the major errors

[fast dew]

The website is literally unuseable

[buoyant walrus]

for example, the error "Unable to send message"

[sand fulcrum]

But the issues like I mentioned are major

[blazing hill]

How ?

[unkempt garnet]

That's why the website is experiencing this bug instead of announcing a limit because apparently it's a secret limitation

[sand fulcrum]

Yeah

[fast dew]

??

No one can send messages

[sand fulcrum]

You can't tell if it's a bug or limitation

I didn't even see the announcement of limitation yet

[fast dew]

Why would they be going through this much trouble to cover it up if its a limitation

[unkempt garnet]

So why haven't they fixed it yet

[blazing hill]

In arena ai or what?

[sand fulcrum]

No idea

[limber hound]

maybe because plenty of things broke and it takes time

[remote marsh]

Working to me

[fast dew]

No gemini

Yes arena ai

[buoyant walrus]

agreed, but arenas are almost obsolete now.

[remote marsh]

Since I can work in multi workspaces I have no limits

[sand fulcrum]

Yeah, we can't just wait here

Pineapple doesn't even want us to keep asking questions which is something

[buoyant walrus]

the only advantage is that there are no limitations on the models

[buoyant walrus]

oh

[hollow ivy]

#general message

[sand fulcrum]

I think Max has no limit

[unkempt garnet]

You're right except it's been a pretty long time since this bug first showed up, but it seems like arena doesn't care about fixing bugs anyway

[remote marsh]

You guys need to be smart and how to use and how to promote

[limber hound]

😭 because he is human and he could be tired from answering same question like 10k times a day

[sand fulcrum]

It's working?

[blazing hill]

Yes bro

[sand fulcrum]

Yeah ik

[buoyant walrus]

yeah, he's been offline for a long time.

[limber hound]

i think they are gonna push both fix + limits update

[fast dew]

It only works for a few prompts

[limber hound]

since i'm 99% sure bug is related to new limits system

[buoyant walrus]

that's a major advantage that makes me like Arena.

[remote marsh]

I have no issue

[slender thistle]

FULLY AI GENERATED GAME WITH cheat menu, ANY IDEA??

[unkempt garnet]

Wow now that you mention it, it's very likely it's related to the new limits system

[remote marsh]

Not bad

[tardy sage]

Why hasn't this been fixed yet?

[slender thistle]

Already Added Grappler, Jetpack, and lot of things

[limber hound]

error 429 is straight rate limits error
bug fixed for me exactly in 24 hours after answers disappeared
so i guess it is indeed severely broken daily limits system

[steady orchid]

Arena ai is lost forever due to the limit 😭

[sand fulcrum]

Keep working on it

[blazing hill]

I'm waiting for the images to be generated by the arena site. You have the nano banana pro 2k model, I use it daily.

[sand fulcrum]

It'll be fixed

[fast dew]

Why is the limit so small bro

[limber hound]

im usin Claude and GLM until it's done. glm is cool i like this guy

[fast dew]

It's like 7 messages gng

[sand fulcrum]

If they don't fix, this website is gonna be dead

[limber hound]

bugged

[hollow ivy]

for rp?

[limber hound]

both actually will do good i guess

[remote marsh]

It’s not

[sand fulcrum]

Wdym

[hollow ivy]

better than any other AI, for roleplaying?

[sand fulcrum]

Everyone faces the same problem brah

[limber hound]

well, Claude 4.6 opus and Gemini 3.1 pro are two goats of RP from what i know

[remote marsh]

I’m still building working for me.

[steady orchid]

Because there are people who use it frequently for work

[remote marsh]

Be patient

[limber hound]

GLM 5.1 could be very good alternative for 100% free usage

[fast dew]

Opus for roleplaying

[sand fulcrum]

Actually max model is the best alternative for me

[hollow ivy]

wow
that means, next month, fun times will start again..
-# because updates

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/face-change-reaction-gif-26159977

[remote marsh]

Yes cause they suck at real work things

[blazing hill]

pssst.... use Gemini 3.5

[slow axle]

How can works an AI to RP?

[short sluice]

no

[robust burrow]

I prefer it too

[limber hound]

i don't use it for RP, but i saw on reddit it was worshipped

[hollow ivy]

flash?

[robust burrow]

Pardon My lurking

[dry tusk]

Где nano banana 3 pro?

[fast dew]

Opus is trash with creative writing though the last time I tried it

[gritty phoenix]

Grok for roleplaying without censorship

[unkempt garnet]

Eh i'm just sick of not being able to use the site like normal for like 3 days now

[tropic cosmos]

No login in battle mode got limited to around 14 responses too. I've tried it several times on different browsers and it got limited around that

[limber hound]

i'm 100% sure 4.6 opus is greatest model for action-focused RP, since sonnets were always good at choreography

and opus is basically sonnet but better

[cobalt crane]

I used opus to write creative writing but as good as it gets it tents to add weird mechanic dialogues and bug with names. For example "Then Daniel (another Daniel [long explanation burning tokens of why it's other character with the same name]

[fast dew]

It's way too verbose

Thats the main problem for me

[cobalt crane]

I don't like the dialogues

they feel unnatural

[normal abyss]

i love how grok is an option 🤣

[fast dew]

AI aren't very good at writing character dialogue

Imo

[limber hound]

Gemini does best (yet still not very good but hey)

[unkempt garnet]

i just wanna use the site again tbh and they're doing a terrible job of giving us updates

[hollow ivy]

my next poll will also include Deepseek, GLM, Qwen, Kimi, Minimax and Mimo and Muse Spark

[limber hound]

3.1 pro is great model, just as 3-flash, but i never laid hands on 3.5-flash for creative writing yet

[tardy sage]

When exactly will this be fixed?

[normal abyss]

at least its not mistral

they fell off

[tardy sage]

When exactly will this be fixed?

[hollow ivy]

yep Mistral = ministral lol

-# microstral

[remote marsh]

Never touch grass

[modern wedge]

So good AI for rp is

• Claude
• GLM
• Gemini 3.5

Is it true gng?

[unkempt garnet]

when they introduce the new credits/limit system unfortunately

[hollow ivy]

i heard someone liked Qwen

[normal abyss]

probaly tommorow, on a weekend idk if it would be fixed

[limber hound]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-tm-soon-space-gif-23401891

[fast dew]

Idk why they dragging this out lol

[tropic cosmos]

Maybe because it's easier to create an adult themed story there?

[limber hound]

Claude Opus 4.6 (thinking)
GLM 5.1
Gemini 3.1 pro / 3-flash / 3.5-flash

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[short sluice]

i hate you. i wish for sticky bot to never be sticky

[fast dew]

Another thing claude is such a boy scout

Like i cant write any gorey scenes without it making a fuss

[limber hound]

wym

[thin bloom]

Hi, I have a problem. When I send a message to the AI to generate a response, the “Generating...” message appears and then disappears without ever displaying a response from the AI.
I've refreshed the page, restarted the browser, and cleared my cookies, but nothing works. pls help

[limber hound]

hmm, maybe prompt issue?

[short sluice]

this is a problem since a few days ago

[tropic cosmos]

Everyone have this problem

[short sluice]

and its a json error

[unkempt garnet]

i just realized "this message will be deleted when the issue is resolved" is just damage control and they have no intention of fixing it anytime soon

[thin bloom]

But yesterday there was no problem...

[blazing hill]

Yes Gemini 3.5 flash

[fast dew]

WHEN it DOES write gorey scenes though it vends to be like really vague

[thin bloom]

how ok

[robust burrow]

People are using this for things I have never considered 😉

[unkempt garnet]

does anyone know any alternatives to this website?

[limber hound]

i had time with JJK RPG session on Claude sonnet (it was 3.5 or 4.5 i don't remember) and this was ROUGH. combat choreography on top, and gore was pretty disturbing, but it's just about prompting

[fast dew]

Also claude cannot stop putting similes when it writes

[unkempt garnet]

actually i just remembered there is none 😭

[fast dew]

Or metaphors

[limber hound]

that

[robust burrow]

Maybe it’s Sunday and the person that can fix it is with their family today? It happens. It will be fixed and then all will be well.

[limber hound]

true

[fast dew]

The metaphors are crazy bruh

[limber hound]

gemini has same thing iirc

[drifting peak]

prompt

[robust burrow]

Yeah I’ve looked too. Even before this.

[fast dew]

TLike when I askfor the writing to be more literal it still does those trash metaphors

[tropic cosmos]

If that's the reason, why don't they rollback the backend first to the previous version when this error happens on Friday noon USA time?

[limber hound]

Life is a river; you cannot step into the same river twice

[fast dew]

Takes up like 20% of the tokens

[normal abyss]

ai studio is a complete joke now, you get about 10 messages a day (used to be closer to 100 no joke)

[hollow ivy]

for pro?

but flash?

[normal abyss]

for pro

[fast dew]

Not X, not Y, but Z

Do u get this too

[vale vortex]

Yeah, all other AI providers are pay-to-use

[modern wedge]

Aight

[limber hound]

oh god it does it even in just talking

[hollow ivy]

hm, for some people web-search mode of arena.ai still works
gemini 3.1 pro appears there (in battle mode)

[unkempt garnet]

yes maybe except they said the team is working on it so it should be a team effort to try and fix this "bug"

[vale vortex]

Web search doesn't work for me, unfortunately

[robust burrow]

I have no idea. But I’m a novice learning python from books and using this site to “grade” my “work” so I don’t have any solutions.

I did ( for fun) ask the agent mode what could cause this and it was hilariously not kind.

[fast dew]

I'm js gonna say though gpt models r the worst for creative writing

[thin bloom]

Anyway, hang in there...

[blazing hill]

@hollow ivy ban dis bot pls 1210104462954467338

[remote marsh]

Gota love the haters lol

[hollow ivy]

i can't
i'm not a mod

[blazing hill]

Aaa

Ok

[rigid copper]

welp, sad to see this model to be removed :/ (yesterday)

[robust burrow]

Likely excuse 😉

[left ice]

arena is dead

[unkempt garnet]

dude reply to my message

[remote marsh]

Your dead

[dark nymph]

max is not working

[marsh osprey]

hello

[remote marsh]

Get life

[hollow ivy]

don't you believe me?
just click my pfp

[remote marsh]

Get girlfriend or boyfriend how ever you swing

[fast dew]

Gng what is ur problem

🤣

[unkempt garnet]

yeah idk who he's even talking to

[marsh osprey]

https://giphy.com/gifs/touch-grass-gras-bum2UBz4nR9IxZmWde

@tepid grove bro i came here to generate some important videos

my deadline is near

[obsidian cargo]

I wonder if we'll ever get gemini-3,5-flash-image-preview

[remote marsh]

What your problem

[tropic cosmos]

I can tell. Look at the words above the UFC belt lol

[remote marsh]

Got love the ignorant people that bich every day about a ai that’s free. Like fu out here

[tropic cosmos]

People report they got 5-15 responses before it goes error again

[blazing hill]

yes you are right, but when they launch 4k, even the smallest text will be visible without distortion

[unkempt garnet]

nope not for me

[fast dew]

It works for like seven-ten prompts

Then it goes away

[shrewd citrus]

what’s the prompt I have 4k

[fast dew]

It's def a problem with the daily limit

[robust burrow]

I worked retail many years back and this woman came in that wasn’t rude but wasn’t very nice either. Not a Karen just not friendly.

After she left I said something about it to my boss who was standing beside me. She said “You never know the details of someone else’s day. Maybe her cat died, or her husband is ill.”

Ever since then, I just think of the myriad of reasons that I don’t have any inkling of that can cause an issue that effects me in the short term and try to give some grace.

Yes this is an inconvenient downtime. But this is also someone else’s passion. They didn’t build it to let it falter.

I’m sure they’re troubleshooting and looking for the solution. So patience is the only thing I can give them right now.

I also work on teams. And sometimes the solution comes from the one person who wasn’t in the room when the problem started.

[blazing hill]

Let me search

[tropic cosmos]

Let's see when they release it. And I hope people won't use it to create hoaxes

[unkempt garnet]

Wow well said, it's frustrating but you're right

[fast dew]

Gng did u generate this with ai

🤣

[robust burrow]

Yeah it sucks. But it WILL be fixed because this is their passion.

And they are facilitating all of ours

[robust burrow]

I did not hahahahaha

[robust burrow]

It would have been better worded if ai did it for me

[tropic cosmos]

Easiest fix is to roll it back to the previous version while fixing the bug on another backend environment

That's how I and my team and I did back then when I'm still working as an engineer

[fast dew]

Idk its probably not AI i js got mad ai vibes from that

[hollow ivy]

how good is Dola/Seed (Bytedance) ?

[unkempt garnet]

Wait why don't they just do this?

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/face-change-reaction-gif-26159977

[sleek urchin]

31 Celsius rn

[hollow ivy]

we have a similar temp

[tropic cosmos]

Maybe they didn't have the back up of the previous version? Or maybe the higher up didn't want to roll it back? We don't know for sure

[hollow ivy]

espana is cooking

[fallen verge]

They said the arena would reopen at 12:00.

[blazing hill]

Do you have 4k in Arena or are you using another site?

[fast dew]

Gng we gonna see this bot spamming till 2030

[shrewd citrus]

alright do you have an image of image 1

[tropic cosmos]

What can I say as a former dev is

The dev ain't devin'

[shrewd citrus]

Like some random guy

[robust burrow]

Question: I am new to coding ( brand new …I can read it but writing it is still a chore )

I’ve had issues where I am working to fix some bug in the code I’m writing and introduced errors.

Is rolling back the best method in those cases? Or pushing forward until a solution is found? Even if downtime is the consequence.

Serious question from a complete novice

[shrewd citrus]

using Gemini

it’s not in arena

[unkempt garnet]

Lol

[blazing hill]

image01 refers to the picture of you, with your face

[shrewd citrus]

alright I’ll use Elon musk

[tropic cosmos]

If I have users, roll it back. Because you don't want to lost them

And of course fixing the problem on another environment at the same time

[hollow ivy]

is Gemini 3.5 flash as good in coding as Gemini 3.1 pro?

[sleek urchin]

My phone is bouta explode

[hollow ivy]

put in fridge?

[sleek urchin]

I am not home

[robust burrow]

That seems reasonable. Thank you for a legit answer.

I’m so new that GitHub still stumps me sometimes

[sleek urchin]

Shut up

[blazing hill]

Xddd Gemini app is not having 4k xddd

[blazing hill]

simply writes Elon musk instead of image01 because Elon musk is already a public figure

[unkempt garnet]

Unfortunately I have reason to be suspicious of this company because of some of their past and current actions

[silent tree]

Waiting for this fr

[tropic cosmos]

I hope the credit system is refilled daily for the text only mode

[shrewd citrus]

4k @blazing hill

[thin bloom]

Claude ai

[hollow ivy]

i omitted it by intention

[robust burrow]

I’ve run out of credits ….there is a timer when it happened

[thin bloom]

how sorry

[outer flicker]

ysess sir arena is back

[blazing hill]

Whaaaaaaatt? Do you have the Gemini pro subscription or what? How did you get it? I also want the source of the application or site.

[tropic cosmos]

We still don't know. But maybe it's 24 hours for now. With 5-15 messages per account. I only try it on battle mode and direct (text only) mode using Gemini 3 Flash

[robust burrow]

Uuuh nope

[shrewd citrus]

Tung Tung sahur made the image for me

[sleek urchin]

System says my device is 44,6° C

[outer flicker]

my site can is working back again

[hollow ivy]

that's actually good

[sleek urchin]

My phone*

[hollow ivy]

still ok, i'd say

[blazing hill]

Ok I gave you the prompt for free bro :(

[unkempt garnet]

Grok's my favorite so guess I'm using grok's app and not this buggy website

[outer flicker]

but gork get limited

[robust burrow]

It said I used up my credits for the day and had to wait. I waited about four hours to see if I could use it again and it gave me an actual time ( the next day ) I could use it again.

I was disappointed at the time but a free service has to have some guardrails I figured. And I was using it heavy that day.

It has only happened once so that seemed reasonable to me

[blazing hill]

Source flypic or any web site ho have Gemini 4k

[unkempt garnet]

can you explain?

[outer flicker]

well gork get limited message

[unkempt garnet]

do you know what the limit is?

[robust burrow]

I am not a fan of grok. but I don’t have a subscription so my experience may differ from those that have a subscription.

[tropic cosmos]

At least it got reset after 2 hours. 10 message/2 hours is better than 10 message per day

[outer flicker]

they even turn expert mode too gork premium

[robust burrow]

I’ve been thinking of running an ai locally from a flash drive. I keep hearing about it but haven’t attempted it yet. Has anyone attempted this?

[outer flicker]

gork really good on roleplay. Thank elon

[slow elk]

Guys who has the same problem, after like 6 or 7 messages, when you send messages he doesn't reply to you

[unkempt garnet]

ah ok thanks for explaining

[toxic verge]

It’s the only affordable way to go moving forward

[short sluice]

i actually understood what the not replying thing is

[toxic verge]

Since we’re gonna get priced out of regular AI

[short sluice]

its probably the rate limit

[tropic cosmos]

It can. But of course the performance is very bad if you want to code with it. It only runs on around 7b or 13b model

[unkempt garnet]

correct

[tropic cosmos]

And the token generated per second is bad too

[short sluice]

OH NO

[toxic verge]

Yeah, you need good hardware

[slow elk]

How to fix it?

[short sluice]

all my accounts now have the no reply error

its definitely the rate limit

[tropic cosmos]

Wait for the dev to fix it
It's server side

[slow elk]

Okay

[toxic verge]

The limit is here to stay

[mossy girder]

Why there is not atleast non reasoning model of opus?

[outer flicker]

uhh anyone try gork 4.3??

[unkempt garnet]

it's a development bug

[subtle tendon]

hey does anybody also get that problem where the ai won't return a response and then when you refresh the entire prompt is removed

[short sluice]

you know the worst thing about this error

[toxic verge]

No

[short sluice]

is that canaryarena gets it too

[toxic verge]

That means it’s a rate limit

[unkempt garnet]

I've been suspecting this, especially with how vague they're being about it

[subtle tendon]

I created a new chat with the same chat, no matter what it still does it

[toxic verge]

Yeah, they’re gonna re-limit all your accounts

They’re not stupid

[blazing hill]

make a poll with the best image text generated from your area ai

[fallen verge]

Did it come back to you?

[toxic verge]

They didn’t ban j lol

[robust burrow]

Thanks

[unkempt garnet]

Guys arena isn't broken but they are failing to do this new limits update correctly

[fallen verge]

What do you mean, bro?

[short sluice]

the rate limit just has the error

[toxic verge]

Wrong j

[blazing hill]

https://tenor.com/view/triple-t-gif-512832805087696036

[toxic verge]

What is that supposed to be a walking pretzel have a pretzel or something

[fallen verge]

And now?

https://media.tenor.com/xmLHGAkk57AAAAAM/i-was-looking-for-a-job-i-found-a-job.gif

[remote marsh]

Brainrots

[unkempt garnet]

liar liar pants on fire

[fallen verge]

You liars

[acoustic talon]

Spoiler alert. Daily limit

[remote marsh]

lol

[fallen verge]

This has been going on since yesterday.

[toxic verge]

https://tenor.com/view/safuu-safuuv2-gif-4398017439023392627

[tropic cosmos]

It's just my negative assumptions, you don't need to believe it.

I think the dev does not even test their code before releasing it. When they compile it and shows no errors, they just release it as is. And from how long they can't fix the problems from multiple bugs since in the past... Maybe, just maybe, they ain't devin'. Just vibin' it lol

[trim imp]

How much would the daily limit be if they put a limit? Like fifteen messages per day?

[toxic verge]

I think it’s working just as intended

[tired mantle]

where is gpt 2?

[tropic cosmos]

At least show a notification if the users are getting limited.

Not like this where the users are wondering, even the community mod are wondering too.

[fallen verge]

It hasn't been working for me since Monday.

[low ibex]

yoo lm arena work for me now, im not using new email, it work for a while and problems come back which making my Guess for the problem is 100% true, it was the captcha, its suppoed to appear but failed so lm arena took it as "nope you cannot continue if you didnt solved it"

[steady orchid]

It worked again—exactly nine requests, and then the same problem occurred again. It can't be that the limit is set at 9.

[blazing hill]

Here #announcements message

[low ibex]

yeah

[muted mountain]

#1507730743864856607 pls mods

[low ibex]

i hope they did not low the limit of use in my acc tho

[tropic cosmos]

I tried my main account several hours ago, it still shows captcha to complete before I got this blank bug

I guess it's not the captcha

[gentle crag]

SHIT!

[fallen verge]

It doesn't work on either of my accounts.

[steady orchid]

Instead of saving a copy of the standard arena and using that copy to test all future updates to see if they work at all

[low ibex]

if that so.. i think it has to do with the coding with agent mode

like who knows? mine still work after agent mode got created, and after few days it goes with the blank bug

[tropic cosmos]

Maybe. We can only wonder what the dev doin

[tropic cosmos]

Same as me

[terse swan]

Lol stickybot

[steady orchid]

Now I have to wait another 24 hours just so Grandma can send out new requests tomorrow—that's just totally lame.

[gentle crag]

7 in my case

[steady orchid]

9 my case

[low ibex]

real, if this was the update, i guess its the worst update

[muted mountain]

.

[gentle crag]

The Marrige Troubles Update

[urban quarry]

oh thats why i thought i have problem

[low ibex]

fr

[steady orchid]

I'm telling you, I'd rather go back to Claude, pay the 200, and have what feels like unlimited limits—which is more than enough for me because this is just absolutely terrible

[robust burrow]

intersting...I notice the capatcha getting really slow and behaving weirdly the last week. could be that

[low ibex]

yeah thats what i thought

[steady orchid]

Don't take the usage system down yet; leave the limit system in place and first figure out where the error is—what's even causing such a massive error—and only then implement it once you're 100% sure.

[fallen verge]

My arena is back.

[steady orchid]

Yeah, but only for seven or nine requests—or maybe a few more—but after that, you'll have to wait another 24 hours 🤣

[compact flame]

Hello guys how everything is going

[low ibex]

i do hate captcha because it was spamming every of my respond but its also can be as identifying problem, like right now, captcha didnt show up = problem.

[low ibex]

mine is 7

[gentle crag]

Jejejeje

[terse swan]

🤔

[robust burrow]

its weird. I paid for claude for two months. then stopped because I felt like I wasnt learning with it. I feel like having the token limits has made me more organized with my thoughts. better at prompting and learned to create better context files to pass on to the successor ai. I actually like having the usuage limits because it forces me to be more precise.

[fallen verge]

Do I have to wait another day? Damn

[low ibex]

what are yall typing🫩

[modern wedge]

Its finally over.. we popped the AI bubble. Look triple T! .... Triple T?

Worry not friend..

What..?

I'll always be tung tung sa here.

TRIPLE T!? NOOOOO... TUNG TUUUUUUNNNGGG!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH 😭😭😭😭

And althought he was born without a soul.

Tung Tung redefined what it meant to be whole.

Created by wickedness which stole for our sins.

Tung Tung pays the toll.

[steady orchid]

For many people, it started working again just an hour ago, and for many, it was seven replies—for me, for example, it was nine replies, and after that, nothing happened again. So I assume we have to wait another 24 hours.

[gentle crag]

I need VPN for use Arena and the captcha it's a problem constant

[steady orchid]

Use an ad blocker—it's more pleasant—and if the screenshot feature starts acting up again, just reset your browser

[blazing hill]

https://tenor.com/view/triple-t-tung-tung-tung-tung-sahur-gif-9480194169511942817

[haughty briar]

Why is it taking so long to fix? It seems like a trivial problem from what I'm reading devs made themselves by forcing future prompt limitations?

[low ibex]

im thinking like it has 2 answer for what situation lm arena facing with.

[steady orchid]

Yeah, they're working on it and just uploaded an unfinished system or rolled out an update, and now it works: You get seven to nine requests every 24 hours, and then you get blocked again.

[fallen verge]

holy molt

[urban panther]

So, will there always be a message limit now, or is this just temporary?

[fallen verge]

Moly

[gentle crag]

Believe me i try

[haughty briar]

Wow, that's kinda a low blow, just making these limitations

[fallen verge]

Yes, they were being very sneaky.

[low ibex]

1. is that lm arena having error in the code that it made the captcha that is supposed to be appear but it just didnt. and for 2, they're just using new system update where they intentionally messing with the code so the captcha never appeared so that we only get few respond and then blank bug appear again, im thinking that the answer for number 2 is that they tryna make usage limit that is sucks and many people assume that you have to wait 24 hours so that you can use it again

[steady orchid]

That's true, the usage restrictions are really good for that kind of thing, but I also give regular people—let's say for school—the assignment to write their own story or whatever, where the usage restrictions just don't make any sense

[blazing hill]

I became a master at captcha.

[fleet widget]

It's strange, the problem was resolved on my end this morning and then reappeared. It loads and disappears, that's normal.

[gentle crag]

Cuban system, create a solution and thousand problems

[austere bison]

Dang

[fleet widget]

It's strange, the problem was resolved on my end this morning and then reappeared. It loads and disappears, that's normal.

[austere bison]

Arena aint replying to my message

[haughty briar]

Im just assumimg that arena will have some kind of subscription too just to write more prompts? Honestly that will make me use it even less,

[gentle crag]

me too

[austere bison]

Ah damn

Just hoping that its cheap

[fleet widget]

It's strange, the problem was resolved on my end this morning and then reappeared. It loads and disappears, that's normal.

[low ibex]

make it free like previously.

im serious, make it free like previous version😭

[steady orchid]

After all, the main reason people use Arena is that it used to be completely free, and now there are these usage restrictions—so why would anyone stick with Arena at all when there are much better providers like Claude, where you do have to pay but the limits are currently more than enough for one person? I paid 100 for a while, and that was more than enough. I’d rather pay 100 and know that it always works and the limits won’t cause any problems than deal with this system

[fleet widget]

We have a problem

[open gulch]

Dammit. The previous system was working fine... why change it now?

[haughty briar]

Yeah, this whole pay to use thing is getting really annoying especially with ai models that feel really cheap nonetheless

[fleet widget]

It's strange, the problem was resolved on my end this morning and then reappeared. It loads and disappears, that's normal.

[north fossil]

Same here

[gentle crag]

Money

[open gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/no-surprise-there-mike-pence-beck-bennett-saturday-night-live-why-am-i-not-surprised-gif-18837274

[naive spruce]

Pretty sure the team doesn’t know how to fix it and clearly they messed something up. If they knew it’d be done within an hour not a whole day or extra day.

[low ibex]

yeah let's stick to trading stuff like in the old days🥶

[blazing hill]

If they add a subscription, they should add it for generating images in 4k like I pay for it.

[north fossil]

Anyone else got the tokens message?

[haughty briar]

Yeah, that would be fair i guess

[queen ginkgo]

Can we have Claude Opus 4.6 or 4.7 on Arena.ai ?

[low ibex]

no

[steady orchid]

It's been like this since Friday, around 10 p.m.

[north fossil]

Some dude was showing it earlier

[open gulch]

Well... doesn't Arena like... gets money by selling research data?

[low ibex]

ouhh

[austere bison]

Ye thats my question lol

[light sleet]

That was gpt image 2 lol

[north fossil]

So it was fake?

[light sleet]

Yea it was concept

[open gulch]

I guess they made not enough of a profit to justify being free huh

[haughty briar]

To be fair, doesnt every company?

[steady orchid]

Yes, they make money because big companies actually pay them for it, and I can't understand why they're probably making even more money now. I've switched back to Claude.

[naive spruce]

Exactly they messed up.

[austere bison]

Lets just hope that they can fix it

[open gulch]

Well... if they make money by selling reseach data, why they gonna want to do subscriptions?

[austere bison]

Because arena is my only go to AI that are actually accurate and doesnt hallucinate or easily forget stuff

[haughty briar]

To make more money, people these days are pretty greedy especially about investing in ai, but I don't want to assume anything, I'm just hoping the generation disappearing is just a bug and not a failed implementation

[steady orchid]

Every good developer has a fully featured beta version, and that's where they test the new update. Apparently, they don't have anything like that at all. Any reasonable person with common sense has one or more such beta versions to thoroughly check whether an update works.

[north fossil]

Claude is hella expensive

[gentle crag]

The same reason what any, more money

[echo dome]

i wish i could have vpn that are not paid to access claude (and phone number that are not on russia)

[open gulch]

I wouldn't be surprised if say, we all starting to leave Arena when it gets to greedy or bad

[steady orchid]

True, it's really expensive, but at least I know they never mess anything up, and the usage limit is more than enough for one person on a certain subscription plan.

[acoustic lark]

Mine is working again, but I'm not going to celebrate yet...

[north fossil]

Which plan you got?

[haughty briar]

I definitely will if it happens, same happened to c.ai and some others

[low ibex]

use it for 7 times and the blank bug appear again gng🫩

[gentle crag]

It's time to come back to Janitor

XD

[outer flicker]

Mine work few mintues then back to bug lol

[astral plinth]

same

[echo dome]

🫩

new emoji?

since when

[low ibex]

yeah

[steady orchid]

Max for 90 doller

[low ibex]

this one too🫪

[low ibex]

it was released long time ago maybe 5 month ago?

🫪

that was the new one

[gentle crag]

I'm not use the IA for work, it's more for entertainment

[low ibex]

🫪🫪🫪

[steady orchid]

Well, I just get the feeling that Arena is losing a lot of users because of this, and if there are fewer users, they can't test the game as much, so they end up making less money either way

[echo dome]

websim is already dying so maybe lmarena next

[outer flicker]

Or arena gotta same fate like yupp. ai

[slate rivet]

I am using arena from last 1 hr and suddenly got no response issue

[steady orchid]

It looks like this

[acoustic lark]

Let's try it then.

[robust burrow]

its only been a couple of days...and what alternatives are there?

also it occurs to me with agent mode seemingly unaffected by the outage, this is a good stress test for that mode

[queen ginkgo]

Can we have Claude Opus 4.6 or 4.7 on Arena.ai ?

Pls

[outer flicker]

Im just use on for comofort, helping even roleplay

[open gulch]

Most alternatives need you to pay. So I don't think there's any like Arena

[steady orchid]

Yes, but Agent Mode only has 100 requests

[outer flicker]

Yeah open router need you to pay those

[north fossil]

That's a lot😮, what do you use it for coding?

[tropic cosmos]

Seeing how they need weeks or months, I forgot, to just add a stop button to get rid of 'infinite generating' bug, I'll say this one will take a while too.

[deep adder]

what do yall mean arena is getting greedy lol

[steady orchid]

isn't that much programming work—I'm currently writing for school, and as a hobby I write several stories

[tropic cosmos]

Arena is greedy. At least the people who back it up. It's a bunch of venture capital. Of course they want money lol

[deep adder]

Arena isnt profitable

[haughty briar]

Just theorizing the prompt disappearing is a failed concept of limitations you're gonna have to pay for for more prompts yk

[open gulch]

This stickybot annoying 😑

[last tapir]

I guess we have to wait for a long time

[tropic cosmos]

Then they'll push a subscription system in the future.

[steady orchid]

Let me tell you why the new system spells doom for Arena: The problem is, when you introduce a usage limit that can be expanded with money, Arena simply lacks experience. People will just choose providers they already have experience with, ones they know won’t cause any problems, like Claude. And since Arena basically survives by getting paid by big corporations to test their models, this will be the death knell—that’s my opinion. And since this update in particular is such a mess right now and nothing works, that just confirms it.

[haughty briar]

Yeah that about sums it up

[deep adder]

do you even know English, or is that response fully AI lol

[open gulch]

if the subscription ever gets added I think Arena would just be another LLM provider

Just one with a leader board and that's all

[steady orchid]

I can speak English, but my spelling isn't exactly the best, and using AI is faster 🤣

[haughty briar]

Either way arena is still a middleman providing already existing ais to use, not ones they're hosting themselves

[deep adder]

if you lose Ai you lose all meaning and intention

[haughty briar]

This site wouldn't exist without these sponsorships

If thats what you can call them

[deep adder]

be grateful for what arena is doing tbh

or just pay 200 per month for chatgpt or claude

no one is forcing you to use arena lol

[haughty briar]

Im not saying I'm not, but still, forcing subscriptions is pretty low

[cobalt crane]

This feels like watching junkies being told by their plugs that they are not longer selling lol

[deep adder]

who forced subscriptions?

[fast dew]

Who said they are putting subscriptions in arena

[gentle crag]

XD

[steady orchid]

As far as I know, Genau Arena is funded by major providers and others so they can test and try it out, and that’s exactly the problem: If they introduce a usage fee now, they’ll lose a massive number of customers, who will naturally choose a provider that’s been on the market for years, like Claude or others—providers we know cost money but also deliver results. And if they have fewer customers, they’ll also receive less money from the large corporations that provide the funding.

[tropic cosmos]

Arena not forcing any subscription currently

[gentle crag]

I need my precious!

[silent tree]

wdym

[haughty briar]

It just a thought of mine I'm not saying they are, for me it just feels like so

[silent tree]

they are not even forcing subscription

😭

[silent tree]

well thats a dumb thought

[deep adder]

@silent tree ngl

[haughty briar]

Just paranoid ig

[deep adder]

these responess read like AIs trying to argue with one another lol

[silent tree]

😭

[fast dew]

Yh we can tell mate

[silent tree]

I mean like

[tropic cosmos]

In the future, I predict they will. If not, then Arena will die because of no money to back up this project

[silent tree]

theyre so ungrateful

they appear when models are remobed

[deep adder]

my guy what is this even saying

[silent tree]

removed

[deep adder]

its like

[fast dew]

Buzzword buzzword blah blah blah buzzword

[silent tree]

these people were not even in arena when models existed 🥀

[silent tree]

What is Genau Arena 😭

[steady orchid]

I don't think they're going to fix it; I think they'll just keep coding until the update is finished—otherwise it wouldn't take nearly four days. That's my guess.

[gentle crag]

My code is falling, Human's so stupid

[fast dew]

Wt does this even mean dawg

"I think they'll keep coding until the update is finished"

[silent tree]

💀

[tropic cosmos]

The update of usage limit system or credit system I suppose

[silent tree]

mr obvious spotted 😭

[cobalt crane]

I use arena since the old ugly UI (2024-2025?) and the limits were even more restrictive if I'm remembering correctly so I think it's not that bad

[tropic cosmos]

How was the limit back then?

[deep adder]

Arena was never really intended to give out free requests

[gentle crag]

Captcha

[graceful verge]

delete ts

[deep adder]

if you want more requests just purchase a subscription please

[steady orchid]

No, I mean, my guess is that they aren't fixing the problem, but rather continuing to work on the update until it's finished; otherwise, it wouldn't take four days if they were really actively looking for this problem.

[tropic cosmos]

Isn't it still there currently?

[fast dew]

"continuing to work on the update until it's finished"

[muted mountain]

#1507730743864856607

[fast dew]

No crap sherlock

[gentle crag]

Pior

[tropic cosmos]

True. They sold our chat to companies lol

[haughty briar]

Are people unironically paying above 10 bucks to use ai? I never even thought about purchasing the cheap ones

[steady orchid]

Yes

[silent tree]

True

[graceful verge]

they r gona take 4 days for ts ??

[tropic cosmos]

I don't know what this means. Sorry.

[fast dew]

Lowkey if arena does subscriptions though I'm chill with paying

[silent tree]

how about u code then

go on

code it

[gentle crag]

spanish

[graceful verge]

😎

[deep adder]

I pay around 400 ish per month just on subscriptions, yeah

[fast dew]

I'm pretty sure there r a bunch of other people who r willing to pay for subscriptions

For arena

[tropic cosmos]

No one knows. Just hope they fix this problem soon.

[graceful verge]

yes or no ?

[haughty briar]

Sheesh am I the weird one for this?

[silent tree]

stop living on others money

start earning

[graceful verge]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-serika-bonk-new-year-kotatsu-gif-24495403

[gentle crag]

Nope

[silent tree]

nothing good is free

accept that

😭

[gentle crag]

I don't pay for use IA

[tropic cosmos]

If it's free. Then you are the product lol

[low ibex]

buzzword boom tung tung sahur love with 67 and have son tung seven

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/face-change-reaction-gif-26159977

[silent tree]

ok then whats ur problem with others not paying it for u

[silent tree]

unemployed revealing themselves here

😭

[steady orchid]

Use ai is bad

[haughty briar]

It could be, ai used to be free, companies just commercialized it so much

[robust burrow]

employed but not well employed lol...which is why I am learning to code.

[haughty briar]

Though it used to be trash too ngl

[silent tree]

explain how the companies will keep up without paying

[left quartz]

I've been playing this game for 10 minutes now

[gentle crag]

I don't have any problem with others pay, it's only my opinion, i don't pay

[static gate]

hey how to use deepseek v4pro for free and also qwen 3.6max

[silent tree]

how will they make newer models

[low ibex]

67 seven love tung tung sahur and have six sahur

[silent tree]

?

[haughty briar]

I'm sure adds would do, but maybe my pov is minimalized about business

[static gate]

......

[silent tree]

@deep adder @fast dew LMAO LOOK AT THIS 😭

[tropic cosmos]

The time for training and its utilities like hardwares, electricities, and employee wages are not
It's basically free if you use lower model on your own hardware

Using top tier model on your own? Just keep dreaming for now lol

[novel geode]

is the Too many requests error part of the new limit system?

[echo dome]

no?

[novel geode]

like 9 rounds per day

[compact flame]

Technically ads are not enough.

Ads are paying way less than you think

[novel geode]

yeah but I can only catch that error in F12

[silent tree]

these people only think about ads

ads do nun

[novel geode]

no hint on the webpage

[low ibex]

i love lm arena because its free, i hate lm arena because of bugs, but i love lm arena😁😁🤝

[compact flame]

Technically speaking they do but the revenue you get is nearly zero

[fast dew]

Thats how u know they dont know jack crap about how business works

[silent tree]

thats what I meant

[echo dome]

skybox from itch.io

[low ibex]

67

[gentle crag]

In my case directly i can't pay

[compact flame]

Fair point

[compact flame]

But of course somewhere ads are good somewhere they're not

[silent tree]

Its probably coming from a underage

[deep adder]

bro the whole point of Arena is providing real world benchmark data

[low ibex]

technically 67 to tung tung sahut is identical🥶

[tropic cosmos]

At least $1 is better than none at all lol

[silent tree]

Arena would go downhill if they added ads btw

ads wouldn't work for arena

[compact flame]

1$? They lose more money than ads bring

[silent tree]

fr

[gentle crag]

AD Block

[silent tree]

ads requires money too

😭

I blocked u cuz its working for me

[shell canopy]

so should anyone invest in arena.ai or it is just us?

[cobalt crane]

Let's be honest their focus and mission is research, and most people actually aren't dedicated to research and academia and learning, they just want a hack to access expensive models lol

[compact flame]

Maybe they have investors but we don't know

[fast dew]

Yh thats why they should js do subscriptions so the actual productive people can use the premier models

[low ibex]

we need dopamine, we need to symmetry our face, i need my face to be blocky like steve with sharp jawline, ima looksmaxxing🥶🥶🫪🫪

[compact flame]

Correct me if I'm wrong

[deep adder]

Arena has investors...

this is public information

[silent tree]

yessir

[compact flame]

Alright

[tropic cosmos]

I know. But +1 is better than +0

-999 in debt is better than -1000

Technically speaking

[deep adder]

i believe arena valuation is around 2B

[shell canopy]

so do newer models have more censorship than older models?

[compact flame]

I guess? But going into the negatives is not a good thing either

[tropic cosmos]

There's several Venture Capital backing Arena

[deep adder]

spaceX has lost 40B cumulatively and is valued at around 2T.

[silent tree]

somebody pinged AA once and said "fix yo website" 😭

[tropic cosmos]

You are right

[shell canopy]

so ye with this kind of money arena.ai can still invest in premium models there? cuz they have all the investment

[tropic cosmos]

Valuation doesn't mean they have enough money on their stash lol

[low ibex]

@wide sorrel fix yo website

[fast dew]

So from ur logic 1 penny is better than 0

[deep adder]

they haev cash lol

[fast dew]

But does it actually bring any value

Or impact anything at all

?

[silent tree]

wrong AA

Correct one: aangelopoulous

[shell canopy]

bro they have cash so shouldn't that allows them to invest in those models?

[tropic cosmos]

At least I have 1 pennies than none.

Do you want my 1 pennies? I'll give it to you if you don't have one.

[deep adder]

it doesnt make it a smart idea to

[low ibex]

@cobalt minnow @wide sorrel @willow lark which one of you is AA?

[fast dew]

Gng u not listening

[silent tree]

Its the first one 😭

[fast dew]

I'm saying it's unncessary

[tropic cosmos]

I'm not listening. I'm reading it lol

[silent tree]

wsp

[fast dew]

This is like the most stupid logic I've ever heard in my life

[low ibex]

ooo, im on chrome, using discord on chrome in mobile phone, so i cant use much stuff in here rather than zoom in zoom out cuz using desktop site settings

[compact flame]

I've just noticed AA last message was 8 months ago

[fast dew]

Why would u bring ads when it doesn't impact anything at all

[silent tree]

@compact flame his last message

[compact flame]

Nop

It was uh

In a topic

[toxic verge]

This or something like it will be the turning point where the corporation run models will remove most of their censorship to try to maintain their market share, and they will say this was the freedom they had always intended for their customers. But remember this was not their intention, they give their customers nothing but what they are forced to give.

[muted mountain]

This is good? #1507730743864856607

[silent tree]

yes

exactly

thats the explanation

for these ppl

in the full message he said

Its about staying free

[muted mountain]

Pls rate

[compact flame]

Yeah

[shell canopy]

for now, arena.ai is still slightly better than other ones, such as copilot which has loads of censorship and stuff

[wide sorrel]

Probably not me. This is my first time chatting here.

[silent tree]

BRO

I THOUGHT HE WAS ACTUALLY TYPING

😭

[tropic cosmos]

You must be grateful with the one in your pocket even though it's not enough.

In the past my logic is like you too.

But my ass got saved because my wallet only have around 10 pennies if I convert my country money to USD.

If I don't have that 10 pennies, I'll go to the hospital for sure lol

[fast dew]

Gng r u this broke

[tropic cosmos]

And lost more

[tropic cosmos]

Read it slowly.

In the past

[fast dew]

Still broke

[tropic cosmos]

Yeah
In the past

[deep adder]

then

maybe you should not use AI and work a job

[deep adder]

AI is still only a luxury good rn IMO

[compact flame]

Irl infinite money glitch is called a job

[toxic verge]

A job won’t save you

[compact flame]

You get money each month for working

[toxic verge]

In terms of AI affordability or productivity

[silent tree]

btw guys

Designarena and Arena down

[toxic verge]

You’ll get a draft to pay for the AI to make you more productive to make you better at your job but in the end all your money is gonna go on the AI

[silent tree]

both down lol

crazy

[compact flame]

I ain't no spending money on ai

[fast dew]

Arena devs r just staring at the servers like this doin nothing

[compact flame]

It's a waste

[tropic cosmos]

Me? I'm doing fine right now, getting $2000 monthly from my job.

In my country, it's around 6 times of minimum wage

[silent tree]

designarena & arena are down since the same day

too

😭