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surreal zephyr
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(proof of concept)

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(its extremally cheap to ocr all images)

echo aurora
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Very neat! Are you going to make it available? I imagine a lot of servers would like something like this, including us.

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Although I would need to see it vetted further before adding.

surreal zephyr
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and so far i only put it as bonus function in the other bot i had for other server, but its easy to make a new bot dedicated for it

pseudo hemlock
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someone who can afford hosting

surreal zephyr
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id happily make it free but i cannot afford to host it

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doesnt use ai model

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it uses small ocr

echo aurora
civic plaza
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It was Safari on IOS. But it went away after some minutes and worked again.

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I just refreshed some times, and it worked

arctic scaffold
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Friends, can anyone help me? I need a promtp that can turn 2D renders of Lego figures into something that looks like a real photo. I've been trying for two days now and I can't come up with anything acceptable.

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I only managed to do it well once, completely by accident, but I was unable to repeat it.

hybrid obsidian
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why in agent mode answer loading is so long

pseudo hemlock
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@echo aurora is there any reasoning as to the order of the models?

whole sundial
pseudo hemlock
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this is what it is when you scroll down

echo aurora
pseudo hemlock
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really?

whole sundial
pseudo hemlock
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leaderboard is very different

echo aurora
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Yeah let me look into. Bit unclear why it's showing that way.

pseudo hemlock
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thanks ๐Ÿ˜„

whole sundial
# pseudo hemlock

if the sorting was accurate it would be g3.1pro - grok4.20 - gpt5.2chat - g3flash - glm5.1 - sonnet4.5 - qwen3.5-397b-a17b

pseudo hemlock
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it just seems like there is no rhyme or reason to the ordering

whole sundial
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i don't think there was ever a leaderboard that had gemini 3.1 pro below qwen 3.5

slender thistle
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Arena lm rank leaderboards for open source is dumb

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Seriously? GLM 5.1 better than mimo v2.5 pro?

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I should retire as a vibe coder, it's that I don't trust ai anymore

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And these leaderboards and ranking systems are dumb, who is testing these?

whole sundial
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imo kimi k2.6 >> all other open source/weights llms

slender thistle
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Kimi k2.6 failed my test yesterday

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Even opus 4.7 as well

whole sundial
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with deepseek close behind it

pseudo hemlock
slender thistle
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I am so pissed off about opus 4.7 is that it's worse and can't even close to mimo v2.5 pro

pseudo hemlock
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bro what

whole sundial
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there is one question i have that kimi and glm gets right but mimo and deepseek doesn't

hybrid obsidian
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Does anyone know why in agent mode the responses only load after restarting the site?

slender thistle
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Mimo v 2.5 pro made a software from scratch at one shot where the development of that software stopped 4 years ago which was incompatible, and there were no source code

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Opus 4.7, 4.6 and sonnet 4.6 failed. It didn't reject me, but It failed

whole sundial
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yeah i don't code with llms, i have an even more niche world knowledge question that only gemini 3.1 pro can get right (3.0 flash can get close if you ask it enough times), opus 4.7, gpt-5.5, and everything else fails

slender thistle
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Also I've tried GLM 5.1 agent, ran the agent for 12 hours, it was doing loop while the UI for that software looks good, but the main core was corrupted. Failed

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Gpt 5.5 is not good enough with it's agent

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Gemini 3.1 pro is good at hypothesis and logic

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But not good for coding

echo aurora
slender thistle
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But these ai models and their company is a liar. Specifically I don't believe in Anithropic anymore

errant sand
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what did anthropic do this time

slender thistle
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But for some reason Chinese LLM is growing, act as AGI for some reason

hybrid obsidian
next trout
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we hate anthropic!1!!!!111

slender thistle
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Anithropic is a disaster, they are just lying with mythos

echo aurora
next trout
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it's not available for peasants tho

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sooo, nopeee

errant sand
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there model got massively dumb

next trout
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mythos

errant sand
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yeah probably to save cost to train their new model

hybrid obsidian
slender thistle
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If I swear to
Any ai models, it's always Claude, I am so tired bro

next trout
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terrible compared to gpt-5.5-xhigh

hybrid obsidian
echo aurora
slender thistle
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Gpt 5.5 standard version is 10 times better than opus 4.7,

errant sand
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i havent used 5.5 yet

next trout
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u don't even get to use opus 4.7 for free like

errant sand
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is it good

next trout
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they're just so greedy and don't give u any limits

slender thistle
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Meanwhile mimo v2.5 pro beats opus 4.7, I was laughing so hard after making the software from scratch

next trout
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it's the best model currently

bright shard
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@echo aurora Sorry for talking so much, but some really weird things are happening to me. I managed to log into my account, but now when I enter the prompt plus a reference image, I get a captcha. I check it and This error occurs

next trout
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probs a phishing site

hybrid obsidian
sharp mirage
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hello

slender thistle
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Imagine that an open source model is way better than a close source model, who is gonna pay for this crap? Maybe blind one? Just for entertainment?

next trout
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xd

sharp mirage
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XD

next trout
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nothing happened here

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ew

sharp mirage
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wth ?

slender thistle
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Nah man, don't show Claude, I broke up with Claude, said the last goodbye once again

next trout
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@surreal zephyr look at these people

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very

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good

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anthropic is just trying to be so kawaii

sharp mirage
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what is that ?

slender thistle
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Ask your Claude to make a daemon tool

next trout
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ur just scammed

next trout
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ask ur claude to devirt vmprotect, it can't

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ask gpt, it can

slender thistle
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Gpt 5.5 is God

next trout
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yup

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can do themida in 3 sec

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(cus it's so bad)

slender thistle
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Gpt 5.5 can do one shot, Claude requires millions

echo aurora
slender thistle
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You shouldn't think, but do experiment, that's real testing

echo aurora
pseudo hemlock
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whats themida

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ik what vmp is

sharp mirage
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anything new

echo aurora
sharp mirage
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what is that am i geting old :/

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what ur talking about guys

hybrid obsidian
surreal zephyr
hollow ivy
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poll_question_text

Which of these ten AIs is the best?

victor_answer_votes

5

total_votes

15

victor_answer_id

3

victor_answer_text

GLM

sharp mirage
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ig

surreal zephyr
pseudo hemlock
pseudo hemlock
surreal zephyr
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i guess its least used models

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or something between

sharp mirage
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well is not thinking]

pseudo hemlock
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its probably some combination of price, speed, and usage

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and some other smart people things i dont know about

surreal zephyr
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"diverse use"

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so like models they want to be used more i guess

sharp mirage
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its " Instead of separate hidden limits across different features and models" that what they said in the announcements

surreal zephyr
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anyone know a better place to host a bot than huggingface ? ๐Ÿ˜ญ

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huggingface has unstable connection apparently

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cloud host i mean

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and ideally cheap - it uses little to no compute the way its made

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or even free

pseudo hemlock
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but its amazing for the price

sharp mirage
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if there a thinking model

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they going to name it thinking

pseudo hemlock
surreal zephyr
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bro its not about size

pseudo hemlock
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maybe they cant run it 24/7

surreal zephyr
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its a bot that scans all images

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for scams

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and flags scams

sharp mirage
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i mean yeah but if its with nothing that mean no thinking

surreal zephyr
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and it works good

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but i cant do 24/7 myself

pseudo hemlock
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i just used it

surreal zephyr
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huggingface free tier would be enough if discord wasnt disconnecting

pseudo hemlock
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30 seconds ago

sharp mirage
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that what i mena

pseudo hemlock
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"Thought for 4 seconds"

sharp mirage
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so its thinking

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ik

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but i mean it say if it thinked or not

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did any one tryed google gems
?

pseudo hemlock
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like years ago

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why

next trout
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unleash ur wrath on him

surreal zephyr
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idk

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gpt 5.5 >>> all

sharp mirage
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at coding yeah

vast fern
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@echo aurora any updates on opus models?

echo aurora
echo aurora
sharp mirage
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idrk have any idea any more i am studying all the time

vast fern
silent tree
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elite claude user

echo aurora
vast fern
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I bought claude max

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but cancelled

echo aurora
vast fern
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it was useless

silent tree
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I love codex mobile

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mobile for codex

vast fern
silent tree
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codex for mobile

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mobile codex for

silent tree
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something ive wished for

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my entire life...

silent tree
silent tree
vast fern
# echo aurora It's also TBD

for the agent mode , i got the access any plans on combining the files e.g. html css and js are seperate for now and they are no linking as they do in the normal coding view also what is the usecase of agent mode why do we really need it

whole sundial
echo aurora
whole sundial
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just a few dollars a month can get a vps that should be more than enough to handle the amount of images that get shared here, especially since video arena is gone

pseudo hemlock
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like the person in this discord, maybe cant run it locally 24/7

inner relic
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gpt 2 image

south charm
pseudo hemlock
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^ thats loud btw for anyone playing it

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it started on max volume omg

echo dome
pseudo hemlock
echo aurora
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Should be exciting!

whole sundial
# echo aurora Should be exciting!

gemini 3.2 flash is coming (they might've just renamed it to 3.5 flash before launch), pro should be coming soon as well but it may be after i/o

surreal zephyr
main nexus
main nexus
bold cliff
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Which is better, Deepseek v4 or Kimi 2.5?

void shore
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what did i DO to twenty-one-pilots bro

main nexus
brave mirage
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hello from Argentine

fluid yacht
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sorry to interrupt but do any of u know if new daily limits are larger than the previous hourly? Idk limits?

ocean venture
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hmm why Deepseek (V4 lineups) models tho? How powerful is the Deepseek V4 lineup?

zealous berry
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@echo aurora Arena i request please if u want to add credit system its ok but once the limit reaches we should be able to continue conversations in same section after 24 hours please otherwise please don't add this system

zealous berry
ocean venture
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poll_question_text

The best Chinese AI lineups right now?

victor_answer_votes

15

total_votes

34

victor_answer_id

1

victor_answer_text

Deepseek (V4 lineups)

echo aurora
echo aurora
zealous berry
left nacelle
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hello I am BoutQci

tardy moth
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How to generate image to video

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If anyone knows, please give me the link.

loud herald
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People must have only used GLM and Deepseek then ๐Ÿ˜‚ kimi is easily the best Chinese AI currently

pseudo hemlock
pseudo hemlock
echo aurora
pseudo hemlock
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And then put the image in the prompt

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Pineapple

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Can you @everyone and say โ€œI lost the gameโ€

hybrid obsidian
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Hi @echo aurora , if you remember me, we were talking yesterday about how agent mode wasn't working properly. Responses would only load after the site was refreshed. Didn't you ask me to show you the chat ID yesterday?

sour urchin
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Hi help me

pseudo hemlock
pine meadow
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They're all good, I've tried them all.

light sleet
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Sad

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๐Ÿ˜”

pseudo hemlock
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He will be missed

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Gone but never forgotten

unkempt juniper
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Got Agent mode ^^

rain bay
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in agent mode, we will never know which model is actually working for us?

dark cove
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maN I miss the ai bot

sonic wigeon
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@light sleet you betrayed me!!! how could you masscare pineappale

light sleet
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I didnt ๐Ÿ˜”

sonic wigeon
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liar!!1111

light sleet
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It?

rough venture
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Hi

graceful verge
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guys how do i fix this ? its been like this for a day , i have refreshed it multiple times yet still . Its not image generation but simple text generation , what do i do ?

quiet elm
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Image generation is not working on any model

stray tusk
shrewd citrus
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yay I got agent mode again

graceful verge
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proud

shy mason
graceful verge
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i have not said anything weird so ur invalid

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lol

light sleet
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proud of India yes ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ

graceful verge
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this server

light sleet
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I will not redeem the code for u dw

graceful verge
light sleet
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Do not redeem the code!!

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Do not redeem the code!!!!!!!!!

graceful verge
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Dont!!!!!

silent tree
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found him bro

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lmao

graceful verge
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dont expose me

silent tree
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yay

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so I found him

graceful verge
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dont do this gng dont send my pic

silent tree
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no

surreal zephyr
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i have but i dont

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its useless

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sure its fast, but its as stupid as 2b models somehow

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which makes it completely useless

silent tree
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sorry

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I got free Google Play subscription

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thanks

graceful verge
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what does it say

silent tree
graceful verge
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jackpot

deft spruce
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i wan't to ask something is this ARENAcan make a docx file?

surreal zephyr
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๐Ÿฅ€

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anyways

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anyone has image examples that COULD be false flagged as "mrbeast giveaway scam" while they arent?

silent tree
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codex mobile mogs claude code

surreal zephyr
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pineapple will actually dm me

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or he forgot

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๐Ÿค”

silent tree
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he forgot

surreal zephyr
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prolly

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actually funny - ai taking jobs

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the automod replaces 3/4 of mod team necessary here lol

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MAYBE i can autoflag those too

silent tree
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@echo aurora Is alive!!

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yo @oak python is back ๐Ÿ”ฅ

ocean venture
surreal zephyr
silent tree
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=help

oak pythonBOT
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surreal zephyr
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lol

silent tree
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no they didnt bru

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but I think that attacker is gone

surreal zephyr
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๐Ÿ’€

silent tree
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soo

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cuz its been gone for a long time

surreal zephyr
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good i guess

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how it feels waiting for scammers to put the examples into reference database ๐Ÿ˜”

rocky geyser
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Hii

surreal zephyr
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hi

silent tree
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hello

graceful verge
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hi

rigid copper
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#announcements message

wondering why there isn't any AI generation contest anymore ๐Ÿ’€ the form still open for anyone to vote lol

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and some code arena website made by them are dead ๐Ÿ’€

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@echo aurora sorry for pinging, but what exactly happened to generation ai contest?

blazing hill
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U are using nano banana pro 2k?

magic imp
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This is happening with anyone else

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Or just for me

spark linden
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What is it with arena suddenly needed captcha for every single message

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It's pretty much unusable

graceful verge
graceful verge
misty folio
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How can i fix discord Ai generatir chat

balmy mist
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gpt the best storytelling llm

graceful verge
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i've noticed that if u close the site for a few hours and come back it works fine

graceful verge
raw laurel
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Should I use GLM-5.1 or GLM-5-Turbo for coding?

misty folio
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any one here make ecom ?

balmy mist
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actuall

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4o

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i miss 4o

graceful verge
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can generate fraky texts too

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until 5.2 ruined everything

blazing hill
balmy mist
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really? its your fav llm for stories ? i been testing a few, grok is interesting as well

graceful verge
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what stories u make

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like do u turn some manga or book into a story

spark linden
blazing hill
graceful verge
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or generate a new from scratch from gpt

graceful verge
graceful verge
spark linden
spark linden
graceful verge
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welcome , u can close the whole browser and that works too

blazing hill
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Nano banana pro 2k is the best at quality ! In my opinion .

blazing hill
balmy mist
silk condor
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Creat video

abstract hinge
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no

silent tree
sonic wigeon
short sluice
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a reason I miss opus is because I can't copypaste "(NO OVERUSING CHENS (THEYRE ALLOWED BUT DONT) NO MARTINEZES NO OKONKWOS NO MILLBROOK NO OVERUSING THE 15TH DAY NO OVERUSING 47 NO OVERUSING BULLET POINTS NO THOMPSONS BE VERY DETAILED AND RELAISTIC!)"

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anymore

coral birch
thorny current
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Hey, some one tried the new agentic mode on arena?

hollow ivy
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poll_question_text

GPT-5.5 or CM5?

victor_answer_votes

4

total_votes

6

victor_answer_id

2

victor_answer_text

Claude Mythos 5

dense vale
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yooo

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any one help me

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with this

magic imp
dense vale
thorny current
dense vale
thorny current
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yup

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tried it for first time

dense vale
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i tried for prompt making

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for anime

dense vale
thorny current
dense vale
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ngl i am convinced

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its kinda great

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but recently

thorny current
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yup

dense vale
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am facing error

thorny current
dense vale
thorny current
thorny current
dense vale
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of action

elder turtle
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Why is this happening?

dense vale
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bcz i was literally so much close to perfection

dense vale
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maybe the prob is same

thorny current
dense vale
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wait

thorny current
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btw, i tried Z.ai on their website instead of glm models on arena

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and its kinda way too good for its pricing

dense vale
thorny current
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the one u got hit with

dense vale
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bcz i dont wanna lose my workflow

thorny current
dense vale
thorny current
thorny current
dense vale
thorny current
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hmm

dense vale
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their system

thorny current
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good

thorny current
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poor u

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got bullied by arena

dense vale
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2nd time

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this happened

thorny current
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oh

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well

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it happned to me for days straight

dense vale
thorny current
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every device that has same account on arena showed error

thorny current
dense vale
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error

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on other chat

thorny current
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what were u makig

dense vale
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making my prompt more better

thorny current
thorny current
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or something better

dense vale
thorny current
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i suggest go with deepseek v4

dense vale
thorny current
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on their own website

thorny current
dense vale
thorny current
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the one that we do from its prefernce section

dense vale
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they are probably good for specific diff niches

thorny current
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so it works good

thorny current
dense vale
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and not in mine i think

thorny current
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prob

dense vale
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i need creative writing and logic

thorny current
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i suggest, use deepseek from their official website using expert mode

dense vale
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in lm arena

thorny current
dense vale
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i even checked the claude sonet

thorny current
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oh

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4.6?

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see this

elder turtle
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If anyone knows the solution to this problem, please help me.

thorny current
thorny current
thorny current
dense vale
dense vale
thorny current
dense vale
thorny current
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yup

dense vale
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oh

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should

thorny current
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14-20 days old

dense vale
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i give the prompt of

thorny current
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released on 21 april 2026

dense vale
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latest ?

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or the one i used in upper vid?

thorny current
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any u want

dense vale
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latest one is trash

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bcz i tried in other chat

thorny current
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oh

dense vale
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the old one is better

thorny current
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kinda true

dense vale
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DM?

thorny current
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if u want

magic imp
thorny current
magic imp
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Means ???

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Prob means ?

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Look if it's real that lmarena going to add daily credits system its too too too much bad , like after limit we can try after 20 mins or 40 mins again but....after then we have to wait for 24 hour

blazing raven
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Hi, i was working on arena video ai but itโ€™s it give only 2 videos 6 sec per day any solution?

magic imp
blazing raven
thorny current
unreal dagger
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We need to stats page I want to see how many tokens Iโ€™ve used @echo aurora

neat island
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guys

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i maded my own image to simple video generation for free

thorny current
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any limits?

neat island
thorny current
neat island
thorny current
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thats good

neat island
thorny current
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if u wanna show

neat island
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and me also

thorny current
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oh

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ok

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lemme give u some

neat island
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make an accunt

neat island
thorny current
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nah bud

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i gotta sub the core first, then u will get the $10 one

neat island
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no bro

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its not

thorny current
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see the msg on top

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got $0 rn

unreal dagger
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@echo aurora Please delete this scam

neat island
loud herald
echo aurora
echo aurora
loud herald
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Who pinged me wth lol

surreal zephyr
echo aurora
echo aurora
surreal zephyr
fluid ruin
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Agent mode is ahh

iron laurel
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I didn't know there is a new thing @echo aurora

sand fulcrum
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will max model disappear or no @echo aurora

echo aurora
gray lion
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agent mode is cool but i still dont understand how it is different to normal chat when u select build apps other than it chooses random models

echo aurora
fluid ruin
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Feedback mode every second

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No file uploads

nova ginkgo
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@echo aurora i want access to the agent mode

fluid ruin
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No model "provider" choosing

echo aurora
fluid ruin
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Every update on the thinking thing where it say asking Bradley brings up mobile keyboard

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Feedback brings up mobile keyboard

wild isle
echo aurora
fluid ruin
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Takes too long to respond also

fluid ruin
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But if it not there

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You're unlucky

echo aurora
nova ginkgo
echo aurora
echo aurora
fluid ruin
echo aurora
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We're super interested in hearing feadback on this one.

sand fulcrum
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i need answer

light sleet
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and also im arena champion approved or no ๐Ÿ˜”

wild isle
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mid

echo aurora
echo aurora
sand fulcrum
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โ“

echo aurora
fluid ruin
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When it updates the thinking

molten robin
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whats the point of agent mode

fluid ruin
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When it responds

gray lion
echo aurora
light sleet
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this so tuff man

echo aurora
orchid gazelle
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@echo aurora wow , best agent mode (sorry for russian GUI)

fringe moon
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@echo aurora I've already tried Agent Mode and I'm up for a call.

sand fulcrum
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max model is important btw

echo aurora
sand fulcrum
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it should be stay in that way

echo aurora
echo aurora
sand fulcrum
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thanks

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im used to max now

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i hope it stays

echo aurora
echo aurora
light sleet
molten robin
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when will models like opus be back?

light sleet
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(yellow)

fluid ruin
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IT BRINGS UP KEYBOARD WHEN THE FEEDBACK UI SHOWS UP

shrewd citrus
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Hey @echo aurora Just wanna ask what timezone are you in because I donโ€™t wanna randomly ping you at 3am ๐Ÿ˜ญ

fluid ruin
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And when think updates

thin current
molten robin
thin current
echo aurora
light sleet
#

Pacific Daylight Time right?

nova ginkgo
silent tree
#

and wow banana has arena champion

silent tree
echo aurora
silent tree
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Nice

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Congrats @light sleet

light sleet
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Ty

echo aurora
silent tree
surreal zephyr
#

e

silent tree
#
  • ampro glaze
echo aurora
echo aurora
# fluid ruin BRO

Btw what type of device are you using? Sorry to say, on my end I'm not replicating this.

silent tree
light sleet
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bro tested it

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tested bro it ๐Ÿ˜”

fluid ruin
surreal zephyr
# echo aurora Yeah I'm excited to try this out

heads up - currently its unreliable because discord api connection to huggingface is awful (so it detects, scans, confirms, and then spends 30 seconds hammering the api until it lets it send the response ๐Ÿ˜ญ )

#

if anyone knows a good place to host it for free (im poor) id love to know

light sleet
echo aurora
fluid ruin
surreal zephyr
thin grove
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Do you guys know if sometime full stack development on arena.ai will be availabl

silent tree
#

I use it

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๐Ÿ˜ก

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for uhh

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10 seconds per day

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๐Ÿค‘

thin grove
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Cery good

surreal zephyr
thin grove
thin grove
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I mean like shell exectuion envs and stuff

silent tree
echo aurora
silent tree
echo aurora
silent tree
#

True

shrewd citrus
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completed my feedback ๐Ÿ˜ธ

weak dagger
#

@echo aurora Lets see if i have agent modearena

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I GOT IT

low patrol
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what is agent mode

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i dont have it

slim tartan
#

I've got it and to be honest it's not that overwhelming

low patrol
#

it is probably US only for now

whole sundial
whole sundial
#

yeah my main account has it but my alt doesn't (i'm from US)

echo aurora
civic plaza
#

Hmm๐Ÿซช

echo aurora
# weak dagger <@283397944160550928> Lets see if i have agent mode<:arena:1484315659881021450>

Nice!!! Try it out! Let me know if you want to hop on a call to chat about, or if you'd prefer to share feedback this form would be ideal: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeOI51LKcpvj0wKfekhZsHSIJmMOVPX_Bq6nqb0nS14Kg6m9w/viewform?usp=dialog

whole sundial
#

tbh i don't even know what to do with it

echo aurora
slim tartan
burnt stone
#

Hi everyone, can someone tell me if it's no longer possible to generate videos? For example, in image->video or T>V

slim tartan
#

Not even the boot licking level decreased

whole sundial
#

but it's not on the discord anymore

slim tartan
light sleet
#

my gif comes up

echo aurora
# whole sundial tbh i don't even know what to do with it

It's for more complex and multi-modal prompting. cc @slim tartan. Here are a few I've personally used.
For fun:

Create me a one pager one shot dnd session mini campaign. Include some old-school artwork. Provide a quick TLDR for new players on how this will work, have some pre-built classes for them.
For more serious stuff:
Role: Act as an expert rural real estate consultant, off-grid living specialist, and construction project manager with deep, current knowledge of zoning laws, building codes, and land development in Northern California and Oregon.

Context: I am creating a comprehensive plan to purchase 1 to 5 acres of land in Northern California or Oregon. My goal is to live off-grid, or as close to off-grid as legally and practically possible. For the dwelling, I want to either build a very small, simple stick-built home OR purchase and place a prebuilt home (modular, prefab, or tiny home).

Task: Provide a detailed, realistic, and highly actionable guide addressing the following areas. Do not sugarcoat the difficulties; I need to know the harsh realities and legal hurdles.

Sourcing: Where exactly should I look to find suitable off-grid friendly land? Where should I look for reputable prebuilt/modular home companies that deliver to these regions?

Core Considerations: What are the most critical due-diligence items I must check before buying raw land in these areas? (e.g., water rights, perc tests, solar exposure, access).

Prebuilt Home Limitations: This is crucial. If I buy land and want to place a prebuilt home, what are the specific legal and zoning limitations? Clearly explain the difference in how counties treat Modular Homes, Manufactured Homes, and Tiny Homes on Wheels (THOWs), and what I can and cannot legally do.

The "Gotchas": What are the hidden considerations or common mistakes first-time rural land buyers make in NorCal and Oregon that I should be aware of?

Cost Expectations: Provide a realistic, itemized breakdown of expected costs. Include land, site preparation, the dwelling, off-grid utility setup (solar, well, septic/composting), permits, and contingency funds. Give rough ranges.

Oregon vs. Northern California: Provide a direct comparison of the Pros and Cons of each state specifically for this lifestyle. Compare them on: building code strictness, off-grid legality, property taxes, fire insurance realities, and climate/water availability.

Formatting Rules:

Use clear headings for each of the 6 sections.

Use bullet points for readability.

Bold key terms and legal concepts I need to research further.

End with a "First 3 Actionable Steps" summary.

young nymph
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hi

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i am arena champion

whole sundial
#

but i'll still come up with something and at least try it

slim tartan
#

Otherwise I could just talk to a random idiot

echo aurora
whole sundial
#

hey @echo aurora why does agent mode use grokipedia as a source? aren't you concerned about it using ai-generated data as facts?

surreal zephyr
#

Unless that changed recently?

echo aurora
whole sundial
echo aurora
civic plaza
#

Or the stop message or whatever

echo aurora
surreal zephyr
#

Does agent mode have any feature over normal code mode?

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I heard it uses few agents not one, but im not sure if thats true

civic plaza
#

And I didnโ€™t notice anything, but at least in normal direct, you can see how the agent think before it sends or respond. I liked that a lot, so you get an understanding on how it thinks and what itโ€™s about to do and so on

light sleet
#

Clayton tuff

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Clayton I became an arena champion today

zealous sparrow
#

@echo aurora are you seeing increased errors with 3 flash on battle mode, the codearena variant.

iron laurel
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@echo aurora I'm waiting for Side-to-Side and Direct for Video

slim tartan
weak dagger
#

I like arena

slim tartan
#

But well

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Let's give it a try

zealous sparrow
echo aurora
weak dagger
#

@echo aurora arena +Good is Arena is good

hardy lion
zealous sparrow
weak dagger
surreal zephyr
#

am no champion ๐Ÿ˜”

short sluice
#

why can I only see select model

sleek urchin
#

Hey pineapple

light sleet
sleek urchin
echo aurora
echo aurora
echo aurora
silent tree
sleek urchin
silent tree
#

Like when u first came

echo aurora
echo aurora
light sleet
bright shard
#

Did they manage to fix the excessive Captchas?

silent tree
#

Like new admin

long minnow
#

oh really? I use ChadGPT

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not intended to be rude btw ๐Ÿ˜Š

silent tree
#

pineapple do u looksmaxx?

echo aurora
# silent tree I meant like when u first came

Also nope, we've added more really creative and talented people to the team since then. We've gotten better about process, new features, etc. Overall, things are just better imo.

echo aurora
silent tree
#

Tuff

echo aurora
silent tree
#

Where we could put the pass type code

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Will it come back

echo aurora
silent tree
silent tree
sleek urchin
echo aurora
silent tree
#

Like when no mod is there

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And some user tries generating videos here

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if u send that to let them know

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Will u get warned

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Or is it allowed?

surreal zephyr
echo aurora
echo aurora
silent tree
light sleet
echo aurora
sleek urchin
#

Pineapple can you tell all the secret roles that users can apply?

surreal zephyr
#

yay

silent tree
#

Ampro check dms

silent tree
surreal zephyr
echo aurora
surreal zephyr
echo aurora
echo aurora
silent tree
#

San Francisco ๐Ÿ”ฅ

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Or idk

#

why most large companies at san francisco

sharp mirage
#

Champion still matters

surreal zephyr
#

champion is cool

sharp mirage
#

Yeah

sleek urchin
#

How to apply for champion?

light sleet
#

Champion is tuff

surreal zephyr
sharp mirage
#

Banana u wasnt champion

light sleet
#

@sleek urchin

sleek urchin
light sleet
#

ampro too

light sleet
sharp mirage
surreal zephyr
#

champion ๐ŸŽ‰

sharp mirage
#

Lets go

light sleet
#

codex better for me

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codex is way better than claude code ngl

#

still tho

surreal zephyr
#

codex glaze never ends ๐Ÿ”ฅ

light sleet
#

codex better

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codex glaze never ends - ampro

surreal zephyr
#

claude is kinda like apple

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easier to use but worse

sharp mirage
#

At lwast claude can do things

surreal zephyr
#

meta is dead

shy mason
#

I hate claude

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Don't compare me with claude

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(im apple)

light sleet
#

๐Ÿ˜ญ

surreal zephyr
#

ios mac apple

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apple vs linux

echo aurora
#

All around!

shy mason
#

Oh i thought u were using me by saying "easier to use"

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๐Ÿ˜”

surreal zephyr
#

lol

shy mason
#

@surreal zephyr @silent tree @light sleet noobs give me halo vip

shy mason
# echo aurora All around!

So the 3 masterminds (ampro, watermelon, vince) are getting arena champion but watermelon hasn't applied yet soo

#

This trio is cool

surreal zephyr
#

bad tokenizer

shy mason
surreal zephyr
#

2.5x worse than gemini, 2.4x worse than gpt

shy mason
#

GPT Commanders?

light sleet
#

cuz its openai

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cuz its gpt

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no

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not ridiculous

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plus and pro are tuff

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codex is life.

shy mason
#

Fr

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True words spoken.

sleek urchin
#

@sleek urchin

light sleet
#

Smart

sleek urchin
unborn ocean
#

plus it is still surprising how bad models are actually at retrieving knowledge without a CoT

#

but i also agree on it being a quantised / pruned / what-ever-to-make-it-cheaperโ„ข kind of thing

#

yeah

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api is the same price, so there it does not matter

silent tree
#

@echo aurora I applied

unborn ocean
#

i think it is more similar to the api version and 5.5 pro the most so

supple iris
#

@echo aurora Please make it possible to delete unnecessary chats with agents.

unborn ocean
#

yeah, codex is just subsidised to get the claude code users

unborn ocean
#

but they will likely also lobotomise if they can

hollow totem
#

what happened to opus in battle mode

silent tree
#

do you think GPT 5.5 is the best at coding rn

unborn ocean
#

i think they are exploring ways to cut cost on inference rn

#

and i think some stuff was done for 4.7 opus

silent tree
#

no like meaningfully do u think it is?

unborn ocean
#

but still the same on api and chat

silent tree
#

do u think its meaningfully best at coding rn

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just say an answer

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yes or no

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I wont be mad

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Disproven.

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not as fast as 17d but ok

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๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

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ok

#

๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

silent tree
#

who ru saying that to

unborn ocean
#

imo they did the new tokenizer for 4.7 opus because they are using some kind of sparser prefill phase. which works well with having more tokens to choose from (bad way to put it, but i think it is pretty obvious)

silent tree
#

ye so i dont have any problems

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isnt deep

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so

surreal zephyr
#

openai has like 5x more users than ALL OTHER COMBINED

#

which is wild

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2.5x worse tokenizer

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so basically same sentence uses on average 2.5x more tokens than 5.5

#

i mean they admitted that lol

unborn ocean
#

nah i think 4.7 just has a slightly different attention mechanism that is technically worse

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and they did not train enough (they'd rather spend their time on claude 5)

sleek urchin
#

@sleek urchin

surreal zephyr
#

the mythos paper says it will be base for next opus model xD

unborn ocean
#

for long tasks i prefer 4.7, otherwise 4.6 is the same. the difference is really small though, idk

#

(long tasks less in the sense of context length and more about autonomous stuff..)

#

oh

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i think i have not seen him here in like half a year

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probably in openrouter dc ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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yeah i liked our convos

pseudo hemlock
#

Where did you get this info

unborn ocean
#

he might be working in tech / ml, but not as a lab researcher

#

there are only very few people in these roles

pseudo hemlock
#

Bruh I still donโ€™t have agent

unborn ocean
#

bro is distilling me today

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vsc

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so really basic

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some kind of fork for that i think

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saw it on a friends pc

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for like old look and functionality

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nah

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i probably don't code enough anyways

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so can't really evaluate

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but visual studio is one of the few i have tried and don't like (at all)

light sleet
#

<@&1349916362595635286>

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blobthx mentioned ๐Ÿ”ฅ

tiny dove
#

Um, What model is Max from? For images?

surreal zephyr
#

im so cooking with the dashboard ui

rocky geyser
#

Hii

light sleet
#

it routes to random image models

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based on your prompt.

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There's no specific model for MAX

light sleet
rocky geyser
# light sleet it routes to random image models

Not random it evaluates your prompt and then choses the best iamge models for it tho i dont get the point, atm nano banana 2/pro and gpt image 2 are the best ones with no other competitors so its kind of useless, pretty much the same with text, i dont think we need these kind of router models but might just be my personal opinion

rocky geyser
light sleet
#

"Based on your prompt"

light sleet
silent tree
#

Bro might be pineapple

rocky geyser
light sleet
#

Oh its alr xd

rocky geyser
silent tree
#

emoji

light sleet
#

Im not pineapple ๐Ÿ˜”

#

I wish I was

#

amazing guy

rocky geyser
#

Yea, he is kind

silent tree
#

u da real pineapple

light sleet
#

๐Ÿ˜”

#

I guess im you @echo aurora

#

im banana

silent tree
#

gpt image 2 better

#

๐Ÿ˜ˆ

surreal zephyr
#

poor pinapple

silent tree
#

damn

#

crazy

light sleet
echo aurora
light sleet
light sleet
echo aurora
light sleet
#

I love banana milkshakes

silent tree
echo aurora
silent tree
rocky geyser
echo aurora
rocky geyser
echo aurora
#

I review them once every couple of weeks

light sleet
silent tree
rocky geyser
light sleet
#

Advertising isnt allowed here.

light sleet
#

If your application was good

rocky geyser
#

@light sleet Should become a mod if he wants to

light sleet
#

uhhh

rocky geyser
#

We need a petition for banana to become mod

silent tree
light sleet
#

๐Ÿ˜ญ

silent tree
#

bros gonna be a mod

#

mod is gonna be bro

surreal zephyr
#

my top (other server) ๐Ÿ”ฅ

silent tree
#

well the thing is

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If banana becomes a mod

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he'll prob be quiet

#

like the other mods

rocky geyser
#

Oh

silent tree
#

but I think its cuz the other mods are always busy0

rocky geyser
#

Or hell be constantly online, never sleeping and getting pinged thousands of times like banana

silent tree
#

imagine if banana became mod and active mod

silent tree
#

like pineapple

surreal zephyr
#

every mod should be a fruit or vegetable

echo aurora
#

We may do community mod program in the future. For now though, I like having that separation

silent tree
#

yes

#

Pineapple missile incoming

#

Booommmmm

#

Pineapple reaction incoming

surreal zephyr
light sleet
#

I definitely am.

light sleet
silent tree
#

fruits better than vegetables (agreed by Producemarks, fruit performs better than vegetables)

#

Fruit-2.8-pro-thinking

#

Better than vegetable-3.4-max

#

Fruit 5.5 High way better than Vegetable 4.7 Thinking Max @surreal zephyr

silent tree
light sleet
#

fruit

#

5.5

#

reference to chatgpt and claude

#

๐Ÿ˜ญ

#

When is anthropic claude monet coming out ๐Ÿ’€