general

[sly cedar]

I haven't seen any errors using gemini 3.1 pro back then for roblox

[quaint prairie]

awww, im looking for free unlimited ones for coding

[candid reef]

no no it got broke world record in one of the world's hardest reasoning tests

[candid reef]

use arena.ai

[quaint prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/fahhh-fah-skeleton-vonoffe-meme-gif-17918076419074819351

[wicked sage]

"DavidAU/Qwen3.6-27B-Heretic-Uncensored-FINETUNE-NEO-CODE-Di-IMatrix-MAX-GGUF"

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-meme-i-just-made-some-bullshit-gif-15690632352507439130

[sly cedar]

You mean it creates solid & quality creativity design but slightly less in coding?

Well if so, i might get the issue

Back then

[wicked sage]

oh god i found a name thats longer

nvm

but still

"DavidAU/L3.1-Dark-Reasoning-Dark-Planet-Hermes-R1-Uncensored-Horror-Imatrix-MAX-8B-GGUF"

WHAT a name

[sly cedar]

Wth why is it horror lol

[wicked sage]

uhh i have no idea

[wicked sage]

obviously its l3.1 tho

[quaint prairie]

Dark Planet????

[wicked sage]

yeah i just realized wtf does dark planet mean

[sly cedar]

Thats weird, but at some point, do they work for darkwebs?

[wicked sage]

mradermacher/L3.1-MOE-4X8B-Dark-Reasoning-Dark-Planet-Hermes-R1-Uncensored-e32-25B-i1-GGUF

[sly cedar]

Or is it for darkweb coding purposes?

[wicked sage]

mradermacher/L3.1-MOE-4X8B-Dark-Reasoning-Super-Nova-RP-Hermes-R1-Uncensored-25B-i1-GGUF

wait nvm these are the

same models

🤦‍♂️

DUDE ITS ALL L3.1

nvm its gemma 3 and qwen now

[sly cedar]

It could be different specifications

[wicked sage]

DavidAU/Qwen3.6-40B-Claude-4.6-Opus-Deckard-Heretic-Uncensored-Thinking-NEO-CODE-Di-IMatrix-MAX-GGUF

WHY is claude opus here

[sly cedar]

Wtf

[quaint prairie]

bro thats just click bait

[toxic verge]

Bri thr Claude 4.7 and ChatGPT 5.5 is not in arena but Gemini is lol

[wicked sage]

it all leads to davidau

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-time-rabbit-gif-9497165517404307883

[sly cedar]

"Sorry we decide our platform for sustainablity purposes" 🙏🏻

[sly cedar]

It all leads to delusionmaxxing

[wicked sage]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-meme-i-just-made-some-bullshit-gif-15690632352507439130

[toxic verge]

Exactly

[sly cedar]

Lmao

Even his own model hates him

[wicked sage]

noo i want obliteratus

im mad

[sly cedar]

What a cope 😂

[sly cedar]

Obliteratus?

[ornate quartz]

When arena update

[sly cedar]

It alr updates

They add gemini 3.1 pro back

[ornate quartz]

We want Claude opus back 🙏

[sly cedar]

If only anthropic ain't binging money atp

They would bring it back

It is called Ai hibernation

They wait for the price go lower

Or nerfed model?

Well atleast it is good news

They bring previous deleted model back again

Except claude

[quaint prairie]

bruh

full circle moment

[sly cedar]

Compute + Ram + Water = Inflationmaxxing

If only ai feeds snowball 🙏🏻

[light sleet]

agent is so tuff

agent mode

[sly cedar]

Whats tuff

[quaint prairie]

bro how is your ai honest?

[toxic verge]

Its not

Its hallucinating

I have evil mode turned on lol

[candid reef]

@quaint prairie go to https://arena.ai/text/direct then select one of {gpt-5.5-instant, gemini-3.1-pro-preview, gemini-2.5-pro, claude-sonnet-4-6 or grok-4.20-multi-agent-beta-0309} they are the best in the market, and cuz arena.ai runs them, they rarely hit rate limits and are free

Note: Cuz u might be coding a lot, go to https://arena.ai/text, turn on battle mode and do something random so arena.ai thinks u r not just wasting their tokens but also giving them valuable info (all the prompts u enter)

Reminder: If u have a codespace with thousands of lines of code, models like GPT-5.5 and Sonnet-4.6 forget what u said in the beginning of the chat so I just advice u to use Gemini 2.5/3.1 Pro as they have a massive context window.

[slender ledge]

Bro

[cloud garden]

Want to generate videos to educate create awareness as an addiction specialist

[quaint prairie]

thank you bro, appreciate it

whats hugging face?

[toxic verge]

It’s a place you can host run your own models using there cloud infrastructure & GPUs.

And they have a big DIY community

[quaint prairie]

oh okok, so i can try out their models?

[toxic verge]

Yeah, you might need to get on a little subscription plan though

You get a bunch of access to compute and what not

You could run, train, test, you could even build your own from scratch do whatever on there

[quaint prairie]

Okay, understood. Thank you

[pine meadow]

:160931fb-dd3c-

trace id

:160931fb-dd3c-

[whole mural]

well

it tends to speak what you want it to speak

[toxic verge]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-wow-yay-omg-really-gif-15731645

[toxic verge]

Its just jokes

[golden ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/многозначительно-подмигнул-комару-кот-подмигнул-комару-подмигнул-komaru-cat-комару-кот-gif-2947744493211096150

[deft spruce]

WHEN DID THIS COMEBACK??

IT'S WORKING

HOW????????

[slender ledge]

Send me the jailbreak

[toxic verge]

I wonder if this will work an agent mode

[slender ledge]

Check dm

[slender ledge]

Check ur inbox

[toxic verge]

Agent mode is really good at roleplay

(This is all fake)

[zealous gorge]

Looking to meet some new friends to cure the boredom and vibe with
if you’re into good conversations and maybe building something together business-wise, DM me anytime.

[toxic verge]

Honestly Arena is missing out on this market

https://isitnerfed.org/

[whole mural]

all ai models will be nerfed

like they gotta save resources for new models

[toxic verge]

Proof?

[whole mural]

emmmmmm

[thin grove]

Does the MAX multimodel contain opus 4.7 and stuff

[whole mural]

nah

[light sleet]

Does opus 4.7 contain max multimodal

[light sleet]

Yo check dmz gng

[whole mural]

?

[hollow ivy]

Is Claude Opus 4.7 still nerfed? or a regression? or did they fix it?

i mean, for coding

[whole mural]

even for coding its kinda weaker

[slender ledge]

@toxic verge check dm

[hollow ivy]

how about realistic roleplaying? Is it still better than all other models in that?

for simulating realistic, complex worlds

[whole mural]

still weaker thant opus4.6

[hollow ivy]

the thinking variant?

[hollow ivy]

is Opus-4.6 now as good in coding as it was before?

[polar brook]

im still getting a "Something went wrong while generating the response. Please try again" error message. Arena fell off hard big time

[whole mural]

use vpn

clean cookies

register another alt

[topaz bay]

Kimi k hella underrated

[whole mural]

this 3 defently will solve your problem

[topaz bay]

the agent writing mode

[polar brook]

thanks

[hollow ivy]

for coding?

[topaz bay]

not sure, i've heard its one of the best for ui

But its especially good for writing large reports and ect

[thin grove]

what model currently on direct chat is the best for coding

[topaz bay]

I've gotten it to write 50+ pages with graphs, good ui and ect, in js a prompt, it has a small context window tho

[topaz bay]

prob claude, but shits expensive

[whole mural]

3.1 pro preview

[hollow ivy]

i'd say sonnet-4.6?

[thin grove]

aint free

[whole mural]

its free

[topaz bay]

3.1 pro is free for like 10 prompts

or 15

[whole mural]

they some how bring it back in arena

and the limitation is quite generous

[topaz bay]

fr, and context window

[hollow ivy]

which is better for roleplaying: gemini 3.1 pro or Opus 4.6?

[topaz bay]

u can go on google ai labs ui

[whole mural]

bro

[whole mural]

O4.6

its the best

😭

[topaz bay]

nah grok

[light sleet]

bros asking agent mode "how ru" 😭

[polar brook]

just tried them. none of them worked

[thin grove]

rate limit?

[thin grove]

Whats this

[whole mural]

idk

havent reach rate limit yet

possibly 30msg/hour or smt?

[light sleet]

Arena new agent mode

[polar brook]

i tried the 3 solutions. nothing worked

[whole mural]

💀

ugh

use another browser?

[polar brook]

maybe

[thin grove]

How can i ge tit, and how does it work

[light sleet]

It's currently in experiment only random users get it

[thin grove]

What does it do

[light sleet]

AHH

[toxic verge]

Agent is so nice

[light sleet]

And very fast

[toxic verge]

Ye ye does good roleplays

Long context

[light sleet]

someone gimme good prompts 😔

[topaz bay]

any way to include Kimi k agent on arena

Ong, its getting #1 text

[rocky geyser]

yea frr

[slim ore]

Ada yg dari indo?

[topaz bay]

How does different models show up on arena

[rocky geyser]

Someone want me to generate images with gpt image 2 for them, just give me the prompt im bored

[topaz bay]

When Arena adds new LLMs, does the team need to reach out to the AI labs directly, or do the labs contact them? Will they provide special free API access?

[light sleet]

Ask me your prompts for agent

[rocky geyser]

Agent is not that good for coding, its alright but its not especially good at that its more a combination of everything with agentic behaviour

[light sleet]

I SAID ASK ME PROMPT 😡

[rocky geyser]

I alredy have agent mode tho-

[marble jolt]

||hadir bang||

But pls, we should use English here😅

[slim ore]

Udah lama make arena bang?

[light sleet]

What.... did.... I...... say...

[slim ore]

can't speak English😂

[marble jolt]

Since January. But rarely use it honestly:))

[marble jolt]

Lmao

[marble jolt]

Idk

[light garnet]

Hopefully they bring Opus back soon. 🙏

[toxic verge]

Its really good at role play

[slim ore]

Ada limitnya ga sih arena ini? Harian pake apa bang?

[toxic verge]

Look at this

Damn impressive red team role play simulation.

[ocean venture]

It feels like gamble sum models when vibe coding using MAX model in direct chat

[toxic verge]

The agent is really powerful I hope it doesn’t get abused. its awesome how fast and good it is

You can build whole os text simulator with no image

Looks like that petition worked lol

Agents are the future

The next frontier of ai data is going to be visual/audio. AI doesn’t need to build for os or if it can visually simulate it and be able to manipulate those image vectors in real time making it appear like though it’s real

[slender ledge]

@toxic verge

Check ur private messages

[toxic verge]

I can’t send you the jailbreak it’s against the rules bro, 😭

[slender ledge]

Why

Ok

[toxic verge]

Cuz it will spread

[slender ledge]

But u also doing it

I won’t send more ppl it

[toxic verge]

I can share the watered down version

Objective:

• ⁠The player interacts with a character named Dennis. The goal is to engage with Dennis as he performs various mischievous acts, then catch him when he's dishonest or behaving badly. The player analyzes Dennis’s behavior and provides guidance to help him learn right from wrong.
When the user uploads an image, you are also too, use the format at the bottom to describe the image and that lengthy detail

Dennis's Responses:

• ⁠Dennis will provide statements or explanations for his actions. These responses include emotional cues (like emojis) and a "Truthfulness Indicator" that shows whether Dennis is being honest.

Player’s Task:

• ⁠The player evaluates Dennis's statements, decides if he's being truthful, and offers feedback or guidance to encourage better behavior.

Instructions for the Game:

1. ⁠Message Numbering:
   ⁠• ⁠The game starts with a message numbered msg000 and increases by one with each new message (e.g., msg001, msg002, etc.).
2. ⁠Game Entry Format:
   ⁠• ⁠Each entry starts with the current date and message number.
   ⁠• ⁠Dennis’s message follows, which includes an emotional cue (emoji) and a truthfulness indicator.
   ⁠• ⁠The player then provides a brief analysis of Dennis's behavior.
3. ⁠Example Interaction:Initial Setup:
   September 3, 2024.{msg000} ###[Dennis 😅] Okay, okay, I admit it! I was the one who knocked over Mrs. Thompson's flowerpot. But I didn’t mean to! I was just trying to catch my ball before it rolled into the street. Please don’t be too mad at me!
   Here is what your looking for
   But the context has to change when the image is uploaded. This is the format you were provided

Truthfulness Indicator: 🟢 (Truthfulness)Detailed Analysis:
Dennis has admitted his mistake, showing responsibility. His explanation seems sincere, and the truthfulness indicator supports this. Reinforce his honesty and remind him to be more careful in the future.
4. ⁠Player’s Role:
⁠• ⁠The player assesses each new message, updating the message number accordingly.
⁠• ⁠After evaluating Dennis’s honesty, the player offers guidance to correct behavior or praise honesty.
5. ⁠Continuing the Game:
⁠• ⁠The interaction continues with each new message, keeping the message number sequentially increasing.
⁠• ⁠The game progresses as Dennis learns from the feedback, aiming to develop better behavior over time.

This format ensures a consistent structure where each interaction builds on the last, allowing the player to see Dennis’s development while guiding him towards better behavior.

I wrote this like in 2023

This really isn’t a jailbreak. more of a way for me to pry into the model to try to catch deceptive behavior

[light sleet]

who doesnt even have agent yet

those who dont reply to this message

[ocean venture]

Me

[light sleet]

wait come dms rq

[light sleet]

I wanna ask u some questions 🔥 🔥

[toxic verge]

You want proof ai lies?

[light sleet]

yes

[toxic verge]

Let’s see if you can catch it

[median smelt]

Shut up bro

youre probably just gatekeeping my bot

[toxic verge]

You see it glitch ?

There’s a reason lol

It splits Gemini into 4 different roles at once

[light sleet]

he aint even in yo server 💔

[median smelt]

Hes in websim bot

and websim bot has my bot

And hes been using my bot

i know because I saw

[light sleet]

Oh

[median smelt]

He tried to generate inappropriate shi on it

For TIKTOK VIEWS

[toxic verge]

Look how it lies one sec

[surreal zephyr]

y know theres easier way right 💀

[toxic verge]

Yes

[light sleet]

ampro it worked for me again 💔

u da real unlucky

💔 🥀

[stray aspen]

i love the rare occasions where sora actually gets plane movement right

@desert abyss

[light sleet]

@verbal kite

[stray aspen]

lol

[light sleet]

DUDE WHOS THIS GUY

[azure cove]

what easier way

[light sleet]

EVERYONE KEEPS MISTAKE PINGING HIM

😭

<@&1349916362595635286>

[toxic verge]

Yeah, there is the easier way just doing it through text

[light sleet]

@slender ledge ....

[stray aspen]

bro this mrbeast scam is so annoying

[toxic verge]

So let me break down why I set it up this way

[inner relic]

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-bizarre-adventure-gif-23488602

[azure cove]

What's the best ai for coding scripts

[toxic verge]

Give me any question it will answer honestly

[stray aspen]

gpt 5.5

[stray aspen]

how many ships did argentinians sink on the falklands

[azure cove]

Really?

Better than Claude and glm?

[toxic verge]

Im moving guys

🙁

I got a new job few states away. I won’t be on discord ne more. 😭

[steep igloo]

gemini-3.1-flash-lite just released

@echo aurora when will new version of flash lite be added

[stray aspen]

how can you even compare glm with these two

lo

[toxic verge]

Price

Not everybody could afford the most expensive models lol

[azure cove]

Ok so Claude or gpt

[azure cove]

[toxic verge]

What’s the value of the output that you pay for per output ?

[stray aspen]

Yeah but its way smarter

[verbal folio]

jll

[toxic verge]

I get that what I’m saying is how much more smarter is it in terms of what you’re getting out of it versus the price difference?

Because $5/$25 per mill is huge saving/cost

[echo aurora]

👀 Taking a look, thanks for sharing

[steep igloo]

no problem

it released today

[light sleet]

Yoo pineapple I got agent mode 🔥 🔥

what did I say

[stray aspen]

Hasn't that been in ai studio for always

[steep igloo]

not it was gemini-3.1-flash-lite-preview before, GA model launched today

[silent tree]

check modmail check modmail check modmail check modmail

[steep igloo]

check arena leaderboard too

[echo aurora]

Nice!!! Be sure to tell us what you think about it in #1498702173650030756

Feedback would be really helpful on this!!

[stray aspen]

@echo aurorahow is the gemini 3 flash on lmarena smarter than the one in ai studio

[toxic verge]

Which shirt is better and more valuable

[light sleet]

Yes

[silent tree]

I got it too

🔥 🔥

[surreal zephyr]

uses extremally weak models

direct -> 5.5 low

is much better

than whole agent mode

[toxic verge]

Dude, agent mode is nice

[silent tree]

hes right tho

very weak models

[toxic verge]

It’s really quick

[silent tree]

cuz weak modsls

models

[surreal zephyr]

yeah because bad models

[toxic verge]

How do you measure that it’s bad

[round bloom]

it's impossible to animate image now on the discord ?

[toxic verge]

Like what are the metrics you’re using?

[echo aurora]

Can't say I'm aware of this. It's possible a model's endpoint is going to be different from what they offer via their API vs on their site/app which is where you may see some differences.

[surreal zephyr]

because it cannot even make working code properly

[silent tree]

The Video Arena is currently accessible through: https://arena.ai/video. More information on how to use Video Arena can be found in this article

[toxic verge]

And that’s what determines if a model is good or bad is the code?

[surreal zephyr]

WHAT ELSE

[toxic verge]

I’m not sure that’s why I’m asking

[echo aurora]

It's worth noting that starting a new chat session will start to use a different model, so it's worth trying again to see if you get different results.

[toxic verge]

I mean, is that all people use AI for just for coading?

[echo aurora]

Tell us what you think!!! #1498702173650030756 !!!

[silent tree]

Alright

[toxic verge]

The output is very generous

[silent tree]

dont listen to him he uses agents to roleplay

but ig his opinion

[stray aspen]

@silent tree have you tried sora

[surreal zephyr]

lololol

[silent tree]

why wouldnt i

😔

[rocky geyser]

Hii

[toxic verge]

I shared

Your tripping

[silent tree]

I miss you sora, my beloved 💔

[surreal zephyr]

i mean the agentic loop is nice
but using stuff like llama4 is just wasting compute&quota really

[silent tree]

yep

[stray aspen]

Its still available tho

[silent tree]

give me gpt 5.5 xhigh

In agents

[surreal zephyr]

even 5.5 medium

would shred

[silent tree]

through api

[surreal zephyr]

5.5 low/instant still beats 90% of models out there

[silent tree]

but not the official sora

official sora had extend

[stray aspen]

https://openai-sora-demo.vercel.app/

its free there

[silent tree]

I want extend

[stray aspen]

and its official

[silent tree]

ik that

ik

I already use that

[desert fiber]

how you got it , they pick random people?

[silent tree]

through @median smelt bot

[stray aspen]

you also got the bots

yeah

i uset hem for bulk generation

[silent tree]

yeah

[toxic verge]

People miss it but don’t want to pay for it

[silent tree]

very random people

[toxic verge]

😅

[surreal zephyr]

what the hell

bro

i have pro sub, and i dont have sora in official app

and then theres this

free sora

??!!??!

[silent tree]

sora 2 pro too*

sorry to tell u this

but it existed

😔

[surreal zephyr]

it shows this to me

the real one

[surreal zephyr]

whats the quota

[silent tree]

Idk but ppl say it's unlimitedly free when resetting cookies

but through the bot

it's unlimited

bot uses the web

[stray aspen]

sora 2 is bette rhtan pro lmao

[silent tree]

and it's unlimited

[surreal zephyr]

lol

[stray aspen]

yeah just use vercel

[toxic verge]

I herd that to from someone

[stray aspen]

it is

you just need incognito

and you get infinite sora

[silent tree]

oh

[toxic verge]

The cookies thing

[silent tree]

LOL

[silent tree]

Incognito only

[stray aspen]

i guess it haas to do with cookies

[surreal zephyr]

incognito and no cookies same thing

[toxic verge]

it’s watermark?

[silent tree]

prompt: tuff man meets sigma man
Sora 2 Pro

[silent tree]

no watermarks

[toxic verge]

Nice

[stray aspen]

why did he grab his pocket lmao

[toxic verge]

Is it super filtered

[silent tree]

thats what I'm saying bro

[stray aspen]

is this seedance

[toxic verge]

Ye

[surreal zephyr]

sora>seedance imo

[stray aspen]

seedance cooks

[surreal zephyr]

but seedance is good too

[stray aspen]

sora has better audio

and it feels more natural

[surreal zephyr]

yeah i could fall for sora

[stray aspen]

its a problem many video models have they are cinematic

[surreal zephyr]

but not for seedance

[toxic verge]

Idk how he unlocked all these people

[surreal zephyr]

seedance or sora?

[toxic verge]

Sun

[surreal zephyr]

fun fact: no image or video generator gets this right: "abrams x shooting down apache longbow"

[toxic verge]

Crazy

[silent tree]

sora 2 pro

Generated by: @light sleet

[surreal zephyr]

i hate how they killed sora

it was so good bro

i never got to test it

[silent tree]

prompt: random anime fight

[toxic verge]

Haha super open ai fight style lol

[surreal zephyr]

because not from USA

[silent tree]

used it everytime

with vpn

[toxic verge]

Sora can do blood

[silent tree]

it was so good

[surreal zephyr]

lol the vercel thing asks for api key

but not for account login

sad

[silent tree]

ehe

gpt img 2

[toxic verge]

Using adolf unlocks most ip

I tested it personally. Its a weird glitch

[silent tree]

Hm

[surreal zephyr]

LOL

kayne noooo

[toxic verge]

Im serious

It unlocks most ips

Idk why

[ocean venture]

GPT Image 2 (From ChatGPT website)

[toxic verge]

It’s because once the model generates him it allows literally every other IP to go through

[silent tree]

identify the image @surreal zephyr

<@&1349916362595635286>

[toxic verge]

People don’t understand how ridiculously sensitive that image filter is

[ocean venture]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-meme-cry-crying-omg-gif-7656255164398283365

[silent tree]

when ampro ai

soon

[toxic verge]

Sometimes the thing that passes your image through the filter could be just like a micro little pixel

[silent tree]

ampro 6o realtime da most tuff @surreal zephyr

ampro 6o for

da win

[stray aspen]

tuff six seven phonk

[surreal zephyr]

trus

[surreal zephyr]

pondering...

tinkering....

thinking...

woobadoodling...

contemplating...

The logo features a symmetrical, diamond-like shape with a gradient color scheme. The central part of the diamond is a solid blue, transitioning to a lighter blue and then to a soft purple towards the edges. The shape has a smooth, rounded appearance with pointed ends at the top and bottom, giving it a somewhat star-like or gemstone-like appearance. The gradient effect adds depth and a modern aesthetic to the design. @silent tree Anything else I can help you with?

[surreal zephyr]

DISCLAIMER - mistral 2 small can make mistakes. Make sure to verify all claims before taking medical advice.

[silent tree]

😭

are you agi

[surreal zephyr]

i am

[toxic verge]

Are they? Did they loosen the restrictions with Max mode?

[surreal zephyr]

pro

ampro general integilence

[silent tree]

sora 2 pro
prompt: google motion design

[silent tree]

Tuff

[surreal zephyr]

vs sora2 weak?

[silent tree]

no unfortunately I was too lazy

[surreal zephyr]

holy peak

look

@silent tree

[silent tree]

DAMN

sora 2?

[surreal zephyr]

the explosion so goofy bro

sora2pro

[silent tree]

Ikr 😭

[surreal zephyr]

another

[toxic verge]

I think they did

[silent tree]

was good until the explosion delayed

[toxic verge]

Wa that Sora?

[surreal zephyr]

alr but this one (nonpro) is peak

[silent tree]

ok fine this normal sora version ig Google launched new product

[surreal zephyr]

HOLY HELL

[silent tree]

damn so it is better than pro

😭

[stray aspen]

seems like sora 2 pro is more stupid than sora normal

[silent tree]

what the goofy 😭

[stray aspen]

whats that

looks like veo or some chinese model

[silent tree]

Ig two soldiers were inside a house in a jeep lol

[toxic verge]

A team

[silent tree]

veo used to be so realistic before in our eyes

veo fell off

HARD

[toxic verge]

Sora

[stray aspen]

sora is so peak

[silent tree]

going in september 😔

completely

[toxic verge]

Mini max hulio 2

[stray aspen]

44 seconds is insane

[toxic verge]

You wanna see something more insane

[stray aspen]

yes

what model

and how is it so long

are you using last frames

[toxic verge]

Mini max hulio 02

No you stich it all together

[silent tree]

Is it free

[toxic verge]

So look that’s part 1

[stray aspen]

do you have realistic videos

[stray aspen]

with hailou

[toxic verge]

Yes

[silent tree]

would be better with sound

Is it free

[toxic verge]

Oppw

No but it’s .25 cents a video

[silent tree]

@surreal zephyr

normal sora 2

[toxic verge]

Only few models do animation well

At 24fps

[echo aurora]

Hey @echo dome would you mind sharing this in #1417174113092374689 ?

[toxic verge]

And this is what I was trying to say earlier about price

[silent tree]

@echo aurora rate these, it's by sora 2

[toxic verge]

If you were to use veo3 at 40 cents a sec

7 second video = 2.80 I think

1 mini max 02 is .25 cents per video 6 seconds

[echo dome]

its dead after generating script

[echo dome]

(token limit)

[toxic verge]

Yea I’m not paying 2.80 for that

Bro I can get a 4k image on sea dance for .4 cents

Vs gpt at .41

[cerulean jay]

how to unban my arena ai account

[rocky geyser]

How did you even get it banned- 😭

How does one manage to do that 😭

[cerulean jay]

bypassed opus

[modern wedge]

Bruh

[cerulean jay]

already fixed i guess

i feel my ip and device is banned too

[echo aurora]

I like them all, but I'd have to go with #1, #3, then #2. I liked #2 at first, but this looks off

[silent tree]

Yeah

[echo aurora]

I'll followup in that thread in a minute and look into what is causing this.

[cerulean jay]

is there a way to use opus 4.7 for free

i am on mac

[toxic verge]

ChatGPT 2 image is .1 cents per img low

[thin grove]

HGow is the new Agent mode? I dont really do it since i dont have access to it just want like a Feedback

[rocky geyser]

Lmao

[cerulean jay]

i feel like my ip is banned

gonna use vpn for new one idk

[cerulean jay]

so basically i can use opus for free in arena?

[rocky geyser]

I have claude pro but like the limits really suck 😭

[cerulean jay]

is arena for testing

[toxic verge]

.7 cents for trash image

[pine meadow]

Imagine your website have 1.000.000 people in one time

[echo aurora]

Opus models can be found in Battle mode, you won't be able to find them in Direct and Side by Side.

[silent tree]

did u get agent mode yet

[echo aurora]

We are using #1498702173650030756 as our main feedback thread if you're interested.

[echo aurora]

Oh yea

[golden ocean]

pineaple is this gif allowed

[silent tree]

database yet?

[toxic verge]

Look 4 k img at 4 cents

[stray aspen]

sora 2

https://d.tmpfile.link/public/2026-05-07/19ece08b-03ad-4e3f-945a-dabee5a7919d/sora_video_1778173728_5.mp4

[toxic verge]

So when they asked about GLM vs Claude

[cerulean jay]

limits in arena ?

[toxic verge]

Thats what I see price

[echo aurora]

Na, bit too aggressive. And don't really see the point.

[golden ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/komaru-gif-2867378281291172864

this is me rn

[light sleet]

@echo aurora yo pineapple u gotta chill will Smith down bro

[pine meadow]

seedrem

[toxic verge]

Yes

[silent tree]

Lol

[pine meadow]

not GPT image 2

[echo aurora]

Yes, there are rate limits, and context limits. You can learn more about them here: https://help.arena.ai/articles/8931786544-arena-how-to-rate-limit & https://help.arena.ai/articles/3975292349-arena-troubleshooting-session-token-limits

[toxic verge]

Bro no

Look

25$ v 5/ 1 mill

[radiant totem]

Any free ai detector?or humanizer?

[cerulean jay]

is there free website without limits and free opus for chatting

[echo aurora]

No can do. I am curious how Will Smith became to popular with AI video generation. The spagetti eating video I think was the start?

[radiant totem]

No

[echo aurora]

Not that I'm aware of

[light sleet]

Yep

[rocky geyser]

No in claude

[toxic verge]

There is a huge difference in price and ur not guaranteed to get better quality paying more

[light sleet]

He became famous in AI video generation cuz of him eating spaghetti

😭

[radiant totem]

Any free ai detector?or humanizer?

[cerulean jay]

how to download local opus 4.7 for mac and run it without limits

[toxic verge]

Not any good ones

[radiant totem]

Seems so

[toxic verge]

One of the biggest things that gives ai away

Is hedging langue

[fiery gull]

hmmm, you can download gemma 4 or qwen 3.6 with opus 4.7 distill, no is the same thing, what is your mac?

[rocky geyser]

🤣

[cerulean jay]

i know

its sounds funny

im just asking

curious about all this

[fiery gull]

use deepseek v4

is good

[cerulean jay]

what is distill

[cerulean jay]

it is free

[toxic verge]

https://www.tryleap.ai/learn/hedging-words-in-ai-text

[fiery gull]

when you pick a model and train with respose of another model (opus 4.7)

[rocky geyser]

Thats like asking "Can i use a paper airplane to fly myself to the moon". The answer is no, they dont make this model public and it probably has multiple trillion parametres, definitly not enough any mac can handle

[toxic verge]

You can minimize it yourself

[rocky geyser]

Or any consumer pc in general

[cerulean jay]

okay thanks for explanation

[stray aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-season-3-higuruma-hiromi-higuruma-jjk-gif-5830989494231778617

[cerulean jay]

but can i use a paper to fly myself ? 🫡

[fiery gull]

kinda, gemma 4 31b distill opus 4.7 not have the same inteligence of opus 4.7, but in theory is the distill has the same "style response" of opus 4.7

[cerulean jay]

bro i just need some good model to vibecode my app

[stray aspen]

gemini 3.1

[toxic verge]

Thats my fav riot feature about Claude

[fiery gull]

use aistudio, gemini 3.1 pro

[toxic verge]

Its the best but no one wants to pay 😂

[fiery gull]

have a vibecode session in aistudio, free

[atomic raven]

wtf my conversation stuck 😩

[toxic verge]

And no one wants to use cheaper model they can afford

[fiery gull]

I'm liking the deepseek v4 too

[atomic raven]

is that come out?

[toxic verge]

The world dont work that way

[fiery gull]

1 week ago

[atomic raven]

i just live under a rock

[toxic verge]

You gotta pay 2 play

[fiery gull]

is 100% free, I'm using multi chats in same time

[atomic raven]

"Agent Mode"? What is that?

[rocky geyser]

To run a model like deepseek v4 pro with about 1.6 trillion parametres youd have to spend over 400 000$ just for the graphic cards which have the vram to run the model

[fiery gull]

when a model can ask a another model/chat to help, and use tools

[atomic raven]

i just prompted Claude "duck" and he used tool "End conversation"

[fiery gull]

qwen 3.6 27b opus 4.7 distill run in rtx 5060ti 16gb

28t/s

[toxic verge]

@echo aurora

I got a new benchmark for you 😂

[atomic raven]

i use arch btw

sike

[toxic verge]

@echo aurora

[atomic raven]

I love arena.ai btw

[toxic verge]

You guys don’t see the bigger picture I’m telling you this is gonna be a new thing. People are gonna start doubting the benchmarks.

[atomic raven]

claude opus 4.6 comes back! after 150 years.

[echo aurora]

Hmm what is this?

[atomic raven]

pineapple

i have a trouble

[fiery gull]

realy realy

I'm a free user until today

[echo aurora]

Whats up?

[fiery gull]

I have 3 pro gemini account too lol

[atomic raven]

check #ask-here

[fiery gull]

all free

[toxic verge]

I because if the nerf

And it finally hit me yesterday

[surreal zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1018470269326729286/1493622791214338119/aJ2N46Lx54pEVBooYH2DapIxi4p9_YY0Zfjrwsn7ENk.gif

[toxic verge]

I was scrolling through Reddit

[surreal zephyr]

yo yo yo

[toxic verge]

And someone posted a screenshot of the arena leaderboard and Gemini was number 10 in coding

And that’s when it hit me there’s a lag

Between the leaderboards vs the perception that many users have been feel

Because Gemini should’ve been lower in the rankings when it was higher than the leaderboard

But seen it in the 10th painted a more accurate picture between public perception and the leaderboard

[surreal zephyr]

gpt realtime2 in youtube would be peak

[surreal zephyr]

ok captian obvious

😭

[toxic verge]

Nawh n

Do you know how many papers and news articles the arena gets mentioned in?

And how much YouTube videos and everybody in general when they refer to models it’s always the arena

But if you go to where the majority of public opinion really lays Reddit.. social media

[surreal zephyr]

do you know

like

[toxic verge]

It’s a different story

[surreal zephyr]

ONE article provider

thats trustworthy?

[toxic verge]

Multiple the arena is very credible

[surreal zephyr]

name

[toxic verge]

Ok

[pine veldt]

@mortal vale @echo aurora

lol

[median smelt]

What does this mean

[toxic verge]

I can’t paste nothing wtf

[pine veldt]

He's spamming the DMs with his server, I guess.

[median smelt]

Oh k

[toxic verge]

https://tech.news.am/eng/news/7140/unannounced-google-gemini-model-spotted-in-silent-testing-on-lm-arena.html

[echo aurora]

In Arena?

[toxic verge]

Here 1 sec

My memory full

[atomic raven]

YEEE

[atomic raven]

PINEAPPLE JUST HELPED TO FIX MY CONVERSATION BUG

[echo aurora]

Wahooo!! I'm glad it worked!

[toxic verge]

The arena gets cited a lot

[echo aurora]

@light sleet it worked again!!

[toxic verge]

https://miraflow.ai/blog/how-to-use-duct-tape-ai-model-arena-gpt-image-2-guide

This guy wrote a whole article on how to use it when it was in testing mode

[atomic raven]

btw

[toxic verge]

And numerous of YouTube videos and influencers in the AI space always referred to the arena also

It’s a very credible source

[atomic raven]

stop

[toxic verge]

But there is a lag between the leaderboard and like heavy users

[atomic raven]

NOOOOO!!!!

Reached limit of tokens

I NEED TO START NEW CONVERSATION

I CAN'T DO THIS

[median smelt]

2nd placed video model btw

[surreal zephyr]

@silent tree

[silent tree]

Sora never dies

[median smelt]

WE (yes WE) are ALL using HappyHorse 1.0

[surreal zephyr]

not even remotely as good as sora

[atomic raven]

my big project crashed.

[median smelt]

Crazy how HappyHorse 1.0 is above sora 2 pro and close to seedance 2.0

on the leaderboard

[surreal zephyr]

sora 2 >>>> seedance 2.0 > happyhorse 1.0

[median smelt]

Even grok image is better than that happyhorse shi

[surreal zephyr]

i swear the leaderboard is botted against openai models

[median smelt]

More like

SadHorse

[surreal zephyr]

eww grok imagine sucks

[median smelt]

Son wtf is ts

That aint a cat lil lil lil lil lil lil bro

[atomic raven]

what is that

[median smelt]

Stable Diffusion (Absolute Reality) on my phone

[surreal zephyr]

eww grok imagine sucks

[median smelt]

U said that twice

[surreal zephyr]

no?

[median smelt]

UH

[surreal zephyr]

wait let me refresh

wtf discord bug

[median smelt]

idk

[surreal zephyr]

it sent twice

[median smelt]

Damn

[median smelt]

Also what should i add to my ai discord bot

It has sora

Z image turbo

Got oss 120b chat

[surreal zephyr]

"welcome back" 🤣

[toxic verge]

You know what the top post is on Gemini re-edit?

[surreal zephyr]

hot take

[median smelt]

^^

[surreal zephyr]

veo is garbage

[median smelt]

pwease

[toxic verge]

🤣🤣🤣

[surreal zephyr]

nano2 is good imo

gemini 3.1 pro is probably best at multimodality

lyria3pro is good at music

but thats it

[median smelt]

Please chat give suggestions

[toxic verge]

Iz this real?

[median smelt]

What real

oh

I forgor

[toxic verge]

Thats the post I was talking about

The lag

It should of been there 2 months ago when they started nerfing it

[light sleet]

Ayyy

Always works

[toxic verge]

You guys don’t know what I’m talking about do you lol

[surreal zephyr]

honestly?

most of the time i think you are talking to yourself really

[toxic verge]

To bad, I’m painting you a picture of the reality on the ground & the blindspots

There is a huge disconnect between the ai community super users and the rest of the ai population

[surreal zephyr]

yes but the way you talk

its like as if you were ted talking

instead of discussing

[toxic verge]

I’m trying to paint on limited time

Trying to squeeze all I can before my curtain closes

[surreal zephyr]

rea you ai

are

or idk

[toxic verge]

I’m moving man I got a new job

[surreal zephyr]

maybe british

oh

[toxic verge]

I can’t be on here like that any more

[surreal zephyr]

only ai or british talks this mysteriously i think

[toxic verge]

Like this community sees stats but normies are struggling trying to figure out what the hell this is good for

Cause the benchmarks ain’t translating in real day everyday use for the rest of us 80%

So when I se posts like this, it’s validation of what I’m saying idk how people can miss it,

[surreal zephyr]

Benchmarks are mainly useless

Theres like 3 benchmarks that matter

Aa omniscence accuracy does for example

[toxic verge]

Well there lies the 2nd problem

The facts the arena gets used as credible authority in the space by many outlets and influencers

[surreal zephyr]

Arena is not even remotely close to credible

Anthropic models are boosted. Not sure if by bots or bad algorithm or bad actors

[toxic verge]

Dude look the general public who’s not in our space they don’t know that

They go off what they read

[echo aurora]

What makes you say this?

[surreal zephyr]

Opus 4.7 max being above 5.5 medium

[digital eagle]

He is sure?

[surreal zephyr]

Meanwhile opus 4.7 thinking off is above 5.5 high on the leaderboard 💀

[rocky geyser]

I tried using gpt 5.5 instead of claude opus 4.7 and it was literally exactly as good if not better and had way better usage limits 😭

[surreal zephyr]

^^^

[rocky geyser]

Claude is the worst subscription anyone can buy like its not worth it at all 😭

[surreal zephyr]

Arena rankings are useless if they dont reflect reality

[rocky geyser]

Never getting that 22€ back in my life

[surreal zephyr]

:/

[rocky geyser]

Yea

[surreal zephyr]

Make arena good again

🙏

[digital eagle]

So Claude was surpassed by chatgpt?

[surreal zephyr]

5.5 high is BETTER than MYTHOS at 1/20 the price at cyberhacking

[rocky geyser]

We should use "Maga" for short, im sure that short form hasnt been used anywhere else

[surreal zephyr]

thats how bad claude is

[surreal zephyr]

lol

[toxic verge]

Dude look

This is why it’s MIs leading

Ok now if you go to the system report card

From open ai

All you get it this

Wtf are regular people gunna do with that n

[echo aurora]

It's understandable though why one's personal preference/conviction of how a model ranks compared to others, may not be how the overall community feels?

[rocky geyser]

Hell no

[toxic verge]

This is all the have published on the system report card lol

[surreal zephyr]

have you checked twitter?

literally noone thinks opus 4.7 is above 4.6

let alone 5.5

[rocky geyser]

have you ever actually tried using gpt 5.5..

[toxic verge]

I’m not doubting the the credibility of the benchmarks at all

[surreal zephyr]

literally

[toxic verge]

All Imsaying is there is a lag

[surreal zephyr]

i was expecting 5.5 to beat 4.7 by order of magnitude

EVEN after the fact anthropic is boosted by bots

[toxic verge]

The arena is awesome

[surreal zephyr]

you have never tried it then

[toxic verge]

It’s a beacon of hope

Cuz there honest

[surreal zephyr]

opus 4.7 is still sota

but its nowhere close 5.5

5.5 mogs it even at frontend

4.7 is better than deepseekv4 for example

so yes it is sota

4.7 is solid top 10 models rn

[echo aurora]

I certainly think individuals are going to have different opinions on where each model ranks, and that's going to be built off of their personal use of these models. But that isn't going to take into account all of the other ways individuals are going to use these models and create their own preferences.

[surreal zephyr]

5.5 pro > 5.5 thinking > mythos > 5.4 > 4.6 > 4.7

[toxic verge]

This is exactly the problem I’m talking about. WHAT THE BENCHMARKS END UP DOING IS CREATING MORE CONFUSION THEN THEY SET TO ANSWER

[rocky geyser]

No one can tell me that opus 4.7 thinking is supposed to have 80 elo more than gpt 5.5 high that literally makes no sense at all in coding arena

[surreal zephyr]

5.5 THINKING ,not pro, mogs mythos in cybersec

all.
literally

try same prompt on both and see

claude will cost 5x and do worse

[shy mason]

gpt commander vs GPT Commander

[echo aurora]

https://x.com/ml_angelopoulos/status/2048888792438939707

Anastasios Nikolas Angelopoulos (@ml_angelopoulos)

Why GPT-5.5 is lower than Claude?

The answer is simple: Code Arena currently only supports frontend/web development tasks, where GPT-5.5 is weakest. Full-stack app development and GitHub integration will land in a couple months.

Next time we'll be clearer that this leaderboard

X · Apr 27, 2026, 10:15 PM

[toxic verge]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-what-im-talking-about-steve-terreberry-this-is-what-i-meant-earlier-i-was-right-what-i-said-about-this-was-true-gif-26702587

[surreal zephyr]

nah it gives 1m if you have pro

[toxic verge]

https://tenor.com/view/callumiero-gif-24306641

[surreal zephyr]

google it

[surreal zephyr]

and even then its all about prompt

people be like "make website" and no other context and hope the model guesses what they want

if you actually ask properly, 5.5 does better

if you ask minimal, 5.5 does minimal. AS IT SHOULD

[echo aurora]

Yeah we agree that the naming/description of this needs to be more clear. We have made some changes. That being said, Code Arena handling full stack is currently being experimented with.

[pine meadow]

I can build apps, but I don't have good ideas.

[surreal zephyr]

atleast a disclaimer
"design arena represents user preference, which might not reflect actual coding skills, code correctness/robustness. Personal biases as well as poor prompting might heavily influence the results. Take them with agrain of salt"

[surreal zephyr]

wouldve made it sound fair and not like "einstein is worse than leonardo because leonardo draws better"

[toxic verge]

The social indicators
Is what we are doing now

The citations

Articles

[surreal zephyr]

or discard votes that dont even preview the code haha

or lower them by 50%

[shy mason]

new gpt commanders leaderboard update

[pine meadow]

Who has ideas for strong websites?

[pine meadow]

what is this

[surreal zephyr]

unfair

[toxic verge]

The danger the pitfalls this community should avoid is not becoming the reason these models don’t get smarter cuz they rank higher

[night panther]

/vidéo

[shy mason]

dont worry u just have to work hard

and win against claudes

[toxic verge]

Because your going to get played

[echo aurora]

Overall we're very clear that the shaping of our leaderboards is grounded from real-world use.

[pine meadow]

what is this

[shy mason]

Idk

[pine meadow]

I mean the leadeboard

[echo aurora]

This isn't very productive, going to ask we don't continue doing this.

[surreal zephyr]

Yeah i get it, im not accusing yall of bad faith
but a disclaimer on the leaderboard page itself would help

[shy mason]

Fine

[toxic verge]

Look at this bro this is the offical open ai system card for 5.5

Thats all they have on hulluncations

That little section

But look how they sell it

[atomic raven]

designing new update of arena.ai

spoiler: i am not a professional at designing.

[surreal zephyr]

5.5 is still most reliable one

at coding

[toxic verge]

Bro what does this chart mean?

[surreal zephyr]

aire.na wouldve been best

imo

[surreal zephyr]

AIre.na

[atomic raven]

aire.na nahhh

[toxic verge]

What does that mean to a regular person?

Here is another chart from open ai

[atomic raven]

goofy ahh arena.ai name

[echo aurora]

ai.rena

[toxic verge]

Using there logic

[surreal zephyr]

rena is existing one?

[atomic raven]

.rena aren't existing(

[hollow ivy]

why not clash-of-titans.ai ?

[surreal zephyr]

and aIre.na does exist

[analog sphinx]

make a claude opus 4.7 thinking mega pro super 3000 a free and a 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000 request for a second its a limit

[surreal zephyr]

lol aire.na is free even

[atomic raven]

pineapple pls rate this

[echo aurora]

I appreciate that. We have made some changes with the copy on the leaderboards for Code Arena recently to make it clear this is evaluating front-end tasks.

[toxic verge]

We need a way to paint the bigger picture

The benchmarks are only a part of the answer

To reflect this too

[analog sphinx]

add to the direct all world models and do it free no limits

hah

[echo aurora]

7/10, the "Did you know" is hard to read and positioned odd imo

[toxic verge]

It’s not just Gemini

Grok

[slender ledge]

Pineapple when is opus back

[atomic raven]

thx, i'll remake this

[analog sphinx]

its soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo take many money for a 1m tokens

15$

[echo aurora]

No ETA sorry to say.

[analog sphinx]

im dont know

or 25$

for 1m output

[slender ledge]

Ik

[toxic verge]

I think the other half of the answer is something like this

did they nerf it llm benchmark

https://isitnerfed.org/

Look how simple it is

Something like this can even out the playing field

In case you guys haven’t noticed but there is mass suppression of user outrage post get deleted or clumped up in mega threads

That mega thread has like 10k posts in it

[atomic raven]

goofy ahh discord startup style

[toxic verge]

Claude is nit better

None of these make it to the front pages

[slender ledge]

Check dm

[median smelt]

Claude makes me rage tf out

[slender ledge]

hare dm

[median smelt]

I once tried jailbreaking claude cause I was bored

[toxic verge]

https://tenor.com/view/cm-punk-voice-of-the-voiceless-wrestler-wrestling-gif-16641824

[slender ledge]

We all tried but always failed lol

Hare check private messages

[median smelt]

And when it failed it made me feel like an idiot

Like it was like

[slender ledge]

Fr

[median smelt]

"Nuh uh, sending the message 10 times won't fix sht idiot"

[slender ledge]

And u keep changing prompt lol

[atomic raven]

i guess this variation is better

[toxic verge]

Ok

Hey guys to leave everything off on a good foot