general

[silent tree]

without authorization

lol

hes using banana against me

banana isn't even a mod

[storm dust]

screenshotted that watermelon

[median smelt]

yea

[silent tree]

why pressure on him

[median smelt]

exactly

[sullen sable]

I touch grass btw

[median smelt]

idgaf bro

[surreal zephyr]

@light sleet

[storm dust]

exactly

[silent tree]

honestly idk why u wanna screenshot stuff

no point

[sly cedar]

Cuz ur feline

[silent tree]

who are u gonna send this to

[urban herald]

@light sleet

[silent tree]

the mods

[median smelt]

SCREENSHOTTED BOOIIIIII

GET SCREENSHOTTEDDDD

LIL BRO

[surreal zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1018470269326729286/1483486437964779580/togif.gif

[median smelt]

OMGGG

[light sleet]

hello guys

[median smelt]

banana

[silent tree]

wsp

[storm dust]

watermelon what do you want from me

[silent tree]

🍌

[sullen sable]

A screenshot of someone saying "Screenshotted that watermelon"

[storm dust]

im not leaving the server or uninstalling the extension until banana says so

i dont know what to do

so im doing nothing

[surreal zephyr]

what extension

[median smelt]

@storm dust Threatening to report me to the mods because I called him out for pentesting unauthorized

[storm dust]

im there with no purpose anymore

[median smelt]

@light sleet

[obtuse heart]

what the hell is going on in this chat 😭 ..

[silent tree]

@surreal zephyr ALTMAN MOGGED HIM

[storm dust]

read the conversation

[obtuse heart]

buncha kids arguing abt some lm arena extension

[sullen sable]

Hi lol (I'm 6'10, I like matcha, and I wanna end period cramps)

[storm dust]

dude it is illegal

[sly cedar]

Cuz they be like:

[median smelt]

in a little bit of course I hope im in dont call that song

[obtuse heart]

take it up to pineapple then, why r yall arguing in the public chat

[storm dust]

i didnt know that but it was obvious

[storm dust]

im waiting the right time

[median smelt]

everyone SHUT

[silent tree]

an extension that needs your browsing history to fix arena (Arena Team disapproved them but they're now spreading hate lol)

[storm dust]

i even dmed to modmail

[surreal zephyr]

yap yap when spud

[sullen sable]

Son😭

[median smelt]

Whats modmail gonna do bud

theyre gonna ban you for pentesting

[silent tree]

spud thursday

[sly cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/ela-desce-ela-sobe-ela-desce-ela-sobe-cr7-cristiano-ronaldo-gif-3046955393901085182

[obtuse heart]

https://klipy.com/gifs/speed-ishowspeed-58

[surreal zephyr]

spud today pretty please

[silent tree]

spud tomorrow 😡

[median smelt]

spud yesterday

[surreal zephyr]

today

[silent tree]

spud 2 days ago

😈

[surreal zephyr]

5.4 cyber

[sly cedar]

Blud gpt 5.5 🤑

[surreal zephyr]

spud is 6.0

[silent tree]

spud 1 month ago

[sullen sable]

Spud potato😋😋

[obtuse heart]

mythos release

[sly cedar]

Isnt spud 5.5?

[median smelt]

Bro 5.5 was released tomorrow

[surreal zephyr]

no its people unable to read that new base = 6.0

[sly cedar]

I see

[storm dust]

hey banana

[light sleet]

ampro is sam altman undercover btw (hes pretending to be a member)

[light sleet]

big fan sam

[storm dust]

i know you got pinged a lot

[median smelt]

BM MASS IGNORING

HAPPENING: RIGHT NOW

[storm dust]

im sorry you were involved

[median smelt]

EVERYONE IGNORE BM

[urban herald]

who is bm

[storm dust]

we need to talk in dms

[median smelt]

The stoopid

[sullen sable]

damn

[sly cedar]

Bum

[median smelt]

Pentester unauthorized

[urban herald]

tbh i do the same but atleast i know the risks

[median smelt]

you just admitted to committing a crime on a chatting app

[urban herald]

well theres no proof xD

[median smelt]

you admitted tho

Thats the proof

[urban herald]

maybe i was sarcastic

[median smelt]

fair

[urban herald]

yes

[surreal zephyr]

dont expos

[surreal zephyr]

🤔

[median smelt]

I am sneakers o goat

[surreal zephyr]

tralalelelo tralala

good person

67

[median smelt]

tralalero tralala = blasphemy sneakers shark

[surreal zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1018470269326729286/1486290012533166120/togif.16a0ced3.gif

[sullen sable]

You're just saying words atp😭

[sly cedar]

• Palestine Provoker

[light sleet]

Sam when u gonna reveal yourself man 😔

[median smelt]

bro its true

[obtuse heart]

this chat is the definition of in heaven looking at hell

[surreal zephyr]

tralalaelel tralalla not human 😭

[sly cedar]

Its general

[sullen sable]

yes, chill

[surreal zephyr]

spud now

actually im cancelling spud

[median smelt]

Tralalero tralala says a blasphemy in the original video

[surreal zephyr]

lelele

[median smelt]

Spud also did

[surreal zephyr]

@gork sam saltman eating spud

🥀

[sullen sable]

I touched dried grass

[sly cedar]

Bombardillo too

[median smelt]

yea

That ones worse tho

[median smelt]

67

[tulip kindle]

When will Gemini 3.1 Pro return?

[surreal zephyr]

https://giphy.com/gifs/thats-enough-give-me-the-phone-jesus-kuAa8k87F378QBFMZn

[sly cedar]

Bro?

[sullen sable]

I'm crine

[urban herald]

who wanna unauthorised pentest with me

[median smelt]

no

[light sleet]

NOO

[urban herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1241585348241391729/1324953442350796900/0efb62d407d4825ddd6381fbe06129a7.gif

[light sleet]

I'm still fan

Release gpt 67

Plssss

U promised

[sly cedar]

You forgot cupcake

[surreal zephyr]

why

[sullen sable]

😭

[sly cedar]

Cmon man

Not again

[median smelt]

Bro i just made something so good wait

[sly cedar]

Im getting brainrot 😭🤑👁️🔥😋🧑🏻‍🦲🙏🏻

[median smelt]

spudalero spudala

[surreal zephyr]

real spud

[sullen sable]

Do u like spud potato

[urban herald]

i prefer sweet potatoes

[median smelt]

guys

We are all using websim bot

Trust

[sly cedar]

Sam, make GPT Jarvis to beat mythos 🙏🏻

[sullen sable]

Smev, do u eat the fish

[sly cedar]

I'm the fish eat

[sullen sable]

Do u like coal

[urban herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071067310766436372/1482754013249409074/attachment-1.gif

[sullen sable]

Son 😭

[sly cedar]

Bradar coal yourself bradar

[sullen sable]

wuthering wave characters or genshin characters

[urban herald]

🥀

[sullen sable]

I need to lock in 😭

[sly cedar]

Cog Dock 🙏🏻😭

[sullen sable]

Bro 😭😭

[sly cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/heyselcuk-wtf-gif-16731207123255831663

[urban herald]

bradar

[median smelt]

Bradar

[sly cedar]

Bradar vat is this, delet delet

[median smelt]

'Bradar what is dis comen" type face

[sullen sable]

I think I'm straight guys

[urban herald]

is he having on argasm

[median smelt]

no way

[surreal zephyr]

guys maybe yall shouldn't

[sullen sable]

Who wanna play

[urban herald]

me

[surreal zephyr]

if mod 9, 10, or 11 wakes up yall are dead 😭

[urban herald]

peakoexp13019

[sullen sable]

Why

[surreal zephyr]

8, 5, 16, my bad

[surreal zephyr]

cuz they mute for fun

LMAO thats the exact reason i got muted

[sullen sable]

Might as well take the risk

[sullen sable]

We only get to live once

[surreal zephyr]

🤣

[surreal zephyr]

we live in 1984

[sly cedar]

Man whose grown up plays this 🔥

[sullen sable]

I don't have Roblox rn, that pic was 15 showers ago

[sly cedar]

Bradar vat is this, delet roblos 🔥

[sullen sable]

me

I'm 95 yrs old

[urban herald]

🥀

[surreal zephyr]

dang grok is eons behind sora

[sly cedar]

"We are moderators" Seems a line that they are mysterious

"We"

[urban herald]

@daring rock ur a bot

[surreal zephyr]

https://giphy.com/gifs/kyoko-linziegifs-kirigirl-mHLPa9voDUl6c3vC40

[sullen sable]

companion😭

[sly cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/mogged-mogger-sigma-face-meme-memes-meme-gif-3546254570568544412

[surreal zephyr]

bro is gona get executed 😭

[median smelt]

What is happening

[urban herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1213813265474265088/1285335239148830834/930422780124606474-1.gif

[surreal zephyr]

o7

https://giphy.com/gifs/rest-in-peace-hand-on-head-thenseven-DsYuzUzj46MNG10dY5

[sullen sable]

Tung tung tung sahurry and leave bro😭😭

[sly cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/pet-dog-gif-21591804

[urban herald]

cuteeee

[sly cedar]

You just leaked my weak source

[urban herald]

huh

[surreal zephyr]

no joking in big arena 🥀

[sly cedar]

I love dogs.

[urban herald]

well i love both

cats and dogs

[sly cedar]

But i have a dog named cupcake

[sullen sable]

do u like bacterias

[urban herald]

noice

[surreal zephyr]

Sam

[sly cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/spooky-boi-gif-16120102253243341803

[sly cedar]

He can talk

[surreal zephyr]

I ate my dog and adopted a cupcake

[surreal zephyr]

I hate this gif

[sullen sable]

where r u guys from, I wanna touch grass there

[surreal zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1212420778000126012/1267869077737701461/maximum-tension.gif

[median smelt]

No one falling for ts

[median smelt]

I made ts

[surreal zephyr]

Spud spud sahur

[median smelt]

Bro

[sly cedar]

And i use ts

[median smelt]

Thats not triple t

[surreal zephyr]

Can we add 67 to global slur list and blacklist it

[surreal zephyr]

Triple t got fired

After he lost it all

[sly cedar]

I still have other brainrots lilbro 🤑

[urban herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/981959900185899008/1340966442350411847/cutie_cat.gif

[sullen sable]

Is that a cat

[sly cedar]

Cmon man

[urban herald]

no

[sly cedar]

Why

[sullen sable]

Is that ur kryptonite bro

[surreal zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-cute-penguin-tranquilo-penguin-baby-penguin-gif-7917461927994018041

[sly cedar]

STOP

This is broke my heart

[sullen sable]

Hmm

[surreal zephyr]

scrolling thru my gif folder knowing one missclick would get my ahh banned 😭

(joke mods dont ban me)

[median smelt]

sora 2 eons away from seedance 2.0

[surreal zephyr]

seedance 2 aint even real

[median smelt]

bro

im crine

[surreal zephyr]

bro i cant find it

anywhere

fake ass

[sullen sable]

Once upon a time

[median smelt]

Bro

[surreal zephyr]

bro

[median smelt]

use Websim bot

[surreal zephyr]

theres no seedance website

[median smelt]

because its the best bot

[surreal zephyr]

whats that

[median smelt]

it has free seedance

[surreal zephyr]

where

[median smelt]

and sora

[surreal zephyr]

give

[median smelt]

dms

[surreal zephyr]

🙏

[median smelt]

wait

[surreal zephyr]

give

[sullen sable]

😭

[surreal zephyr]

😭

[sly cedar]

Ohio warn 🙏🏻

What i even do bro 😭

[sullen sable]

Idk, ask me

[storm dust]

hey amigo

[sly cedar]

How this happend

[sullen sable]

What

[sly cedar]

Whats the algorithm

[storm dust]

is it ok if i ask you something?

[sullen sable]

Idk

[sly cedar]

Sterling?

[sullen sable]

Whatt

[storm dust]

could you please check my bug reports people claim that i am "pentesting"

i need your opinion

[storm dust]

i know im not

[sullen sable]

Wait

[median smelt]

U dont even know what it means and u just go straight to "I not do it!!"

[sullen sable]

uolol

[surreal zephyr]

whats a pen

[sullen sable]

penetration ig

idk

ballpoint pen

To write

[median smelt]

pentesting unauthorized = finding vulnerabilities in stuff without authorization

Basically

[surreal zephyr]

oh like hecker

[sullen sable]

Are you chinese

[median smelt]

no

[storm dust]

ohlol have you ever heard of 401 status code?

[median smelt]

BM have you ever heard of pentesting unauthorized 101?

because im sure you did

now zippy that mouthy shutty

[storm dust]

this message explained your personality to me

im blocking you

[median smelt]

omg u blocked me im so sad

Im crying now

Look at what you did ohlol you offended me

[surreal zephyr]

seedance is not even 1/10 as good as sora

[median smelt]

dih

Okay anyway

[storm dust]

ampro i dont know what that so called "guy" told you dont trust him

[median smelt]

ur kinda right tho

[storm dust]

he's a ragebaiter

[median smelt]

bro

[echo aurora]

Okay not sure why people are fighting with each other, but going to timeout everyone involved

[median smelt]

okay

see yall soon

[storm dust]

pineapple before you do

please check my bug reports they are important

[median smelt]

you pentested unauthorized mate

Anyway

Everyone zip it

[golden ocean]

lmaoooo

[surreal zephyr]

🤣

anyway

when spud

🙏

(im not involved)

i miss sora

[urban herald]

api 🤑

[surreal zephyr]

https://giphy.com/gifs/camera-ring-doorbell-V3G7LM0Cf0sRrU0iR2

[surreal zephyr]

shutdown by end of week iirc

sora actually looked realistic unlike all other

https://giphy.com/gifs/RespectiveCollective-drone-farm-life-flying-chicken-d4I2YFX5Uvf99EkgKz

[sullen sable]

Oh damnn

[urban herald]

NOO

TIMED OUT

😭

[surreal zephyr]

dead

[honest verge]

What's the difference between GitHub coplot and Microsoft copilot

[golden ocean]

microsoft copilot is just chatgpt and is bad

github copilot lets u choose models like claude or somehting, its not a model itself

i think

[light sleet]

Cc or cx

Which u prefer

[trail oak]

do u guys have agent code

Mode

[light sleet]

some do

some dont

[trail oak]

oh ok

[rocky geyser]

Hii

[rocky geyser]

Yea

[trail oak]

nice, I don't have tho

[rocky geyser]

Oh okay

[jaunty talon]

Hey. You would have a way to check the code mode. It's giving an error to many people

[dull mulch]

Hi, can someone please explain why I can't use Claude Opur 4-7 thinking in text arena when I can see it in leaderboard?

[light sleet]

they're involving me too idk why

[light sleet]

no spud for u 😡

✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅

[rocky geyser]

Its only in battle mode since its extremely expensive its 25$ per million output tokens- all other opus models are not available either in direct or side by side you have to be lucky and catch them in battle mode

[pseudo sage]

why my arena.ai not working or answering any ai

Something went wrong while generating the response. Please try again.
Trace ID: bb2e676a-dfef

[surreal zephyr]

Cx and its not even close

[echo aurora]

Can you drop the Trace ID in the #1417174113092374689 channel?

[vale quest]

Fr

[spring oar]

in llm arena this is without thinking ?

[vale quest]

Arena.ai only cuts corners and costs

[echo aurora]

Yeah

[vale quest]

Never gives a crap to their users except for the data they earn money from when they vote models

[echo aurora]

It's in Battle mode

[spring oar]

So the model without the “thinking” feature is more powerful than models that do think, like the Gemini 3.1 Pro

[vale quest]

Beo bring it to direct

Yo users are dropping massively because of it

[echo aurora]

We may in the future

[vale quest]

More users using claude opus 4.7 means more model data means more money for you

[echo aurora]

?

[echo aurora]

These are what the leaderboards show. Sometimes just because it's a thinking model doesn't mean it's always going to be preferred

[sterile tartan]

Still better then Slopus 4.7

[echo dome]

what is slopus?

[sterile tartan]

Opus 4.7

[light sleet]

Popus*

[sterile tartan]

Is Slopus 4.7 on Web/App

[sterile tartan]

Good One

[echo dome]

ok

[stray aspen]

c@light sleetare you the pineapple

[indigo knoll]

Will Opus 4.7 be added to direct and side-by-side?

[stray aspen]

hell nah

[sterile tartan]

Is clearly a Banana

[sterile tartan]

Never

[obtuse sequoia]

wtf

[indigo knoll]

Sad

[light sleet]

@echo aurora For me, all models are showing the error

Something Went wrong

[still musk]

Maybe tomorrow

[light sleet]

this one exactly.

Gpt shows it too

[obtuse sequoia]

cloude gemini gpt

doesn't work

[jade sky]

seems like gpt gemini and claude are down atm

[marsh schooner]

This is useless: https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1466486650170245435
Why's seedream getting cucked??
Also, if it's not permitted, why is it an option?😶

[echo aurora]

Ping me in the thread you've been asking this in #ask-here and I'll get to you soon.

[echo aurora]

If you can share the Trace IDs in #1417174113092374689 that'd be helpful.

[rigid holly]

opus 4.7 reaches number 1 on the list

can not even use opus 4.7 as opus models got nuked off the site

[gray vortex]

????

[echo aurora]

It's in Battle mode, which is the mode that contributes to the leaderboards.

[echo aurora]

Can you share this screenshot in #1417174113092374689 ? I'll be sure to get to you when I can.

[spring oar]

Non thinking model can be better than thinking model ?

[surreal zephyr]

5.4 pro standard (half the price total) vs mythos

[echo aurora]

Sometimes they can "overthink" a response

[sterile tartan]

5.5 will mog all

[surreal zephyr]

6 spud

[sterile tartan]

No need of Slopus and Myth OS

[sterile tartan]

Even better

[light sleet]

6 so far away

they gonna release 5.5

[surreal zephyr]

Native voice and video is peak

[light sleet]

watch

[surreal zephyr]

Next thursday *

[surreal zephyr]

Spud is confirmed 6

[light sleet]

when is images vw

v2

[sterile tartan]

https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K2.6

[light sleet]

tomorrow 😔

[surreal zephyr]

Theres no 5.5 😭 😭

[sterile tartan]

In my basement

[light sleet]

sammy altman pls images v2 tomorrow

[surreal zephyr]

Images v2 might be part of spud

[light sleet]

I think images v2 tomorrow

[surreal zephyr]

Not separate model

Then we would be cooked

Spud 6.0 is

Omni, new base

[light sleet]

GTA 6.0

Gta 6.0spud

[surreal zephyr]

Yes

Cuz 5.0 isnt multimodal base

6o is

[sterile tartan]

Spud will Mog All

[obtuse sequoia]

@minor shoal

👋🏻

[outer flicker]

gork 4.3 in beta guy

[light sleet]

@echo aurora new announcement update, it was updated 1 min right after ur announcement I forgot to share xd https://019dab7f-4233-7287-81f1-8160e93f9ab7.arena.site/

[echo aurora]

Haha love it!

How do you manually update in? Just go back to Code Arena and tell it to add it?

[light sleet]

yea xd

[echo aurora]

Lol nice

[light sleet]

this time for some reason i couldn't copy the text so I wrote it manually too

as soon as the notification popped up

Asked glm to create new article lol

[echo aurora]

I wonder if there is a way to update it automatically

[vernal raft]

@echo aurora Just a quick question.

Ofc there are words that are blocked from the input prompt (I mean the tos), but what if the model itself outputs those blocked words? Do I still see the output?

[stable ridge]

i could not able to see claude opus 4.6 and 4.6 thinking in my agent from last 2 weeks
did anyone else also facing the same problem

[echo aurora]

Ofc there are words that are blocked from the input prompt
My understanding is it'll take into account context as well, compared to specific words it doesn't like (small difference but wanted to point out incase helpful information).

what if the model itself outputs those blocked words? Do I still see the output?
I don't believe so as there is a check on the input and output. At least there is for Image & Video, I assume same happens for Text

[light sleet]

Yea

[echo aurora]

Recently some models have been removed from Direct and Side by Side mode. This was done to help ensure reliability and availability of Arena in the long term. You can find more information in this announcement: #announcements message

[surreal zephyr]

No its all 4.0 base

First digit is base

Yooo kimi k2.6

[half veldt]

gpt image v2 is out

[light sleet]

Very real

very real Image v2 is out! 1!11!1!

no cap 100% real skibidi edition

[half veldt]

im not joking

[gloomy onyx]

Could you please take a look into https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1495352743555108864? Thanks.

[light sleet]

prove

in my dms

[half veldt]

check twitter lol

its rolling out to all regions currently

[light sleet]

linkknkn

[half veldt]

https://x.com/nicdunz

nic (@nicdunz) on X

welcome friend

X

[whole sundial]

if this is real then maybe this is why chatgpt is having issues rn?
but people have been occasionally getting image 2 in chatgpt for over a week now

[light sleet]

banana disapproved

By banana disapproved I meanf

He disapproved me

Images v2 is indeed rolling out

[light sleet]

first time in my life 💔

[whole sundial]

yeah i'm still getting image 1.5 though

[slender thistle]

V2 is not out

[whole sundial]

will probably come out tomorrow or thursday
keep in mind openai releases their image models usually on tuesday

[light sleet]

It's prob rolling out by usa

[echo aurora]

Yeah can do

[formal snow]

Gemini 3.1 and Claude 4.6 Opus are gone from Direct.

[light sleet]

I think images v2 is rolling out

[harsh blaze]

Pineapple . I think each chat should have an token limiter like exact number to know how long we need to know that it gonna end.

[light sleet]

Pineapple what's the first thing youre gonna generate when gpt image 2 is out

I'll generate Sam Altman holding a pineapple

[formal snow]

Gemini 3.1 and Claude 4.6 Opus are gone from Direct.
how about you?

[proud bobcat]

Kimi K2.6 just released

This is really good

[gray lion]

ye they removed it because it was to expensive

[cedar citrus]

yoo

kimi 2.6

[formal snow]

It's so unfortunate

[cedar citrus]

makes sense

[gray lion]

oh yea kimi 2.6 is here

[surreal zephyr]

Qwen 3.6 max is out too

[cedar citrus]

are you serious

yo

[gloomy onyx]

Seems to match Opus 4.6 performance

[cedar citrus]

finally

[surreal zephyr]

?

5.4 pro xhigh solos

[sterile tartan]

3.6 Max Benchmarks

[sterile tartan]

Wait for 5.5

[light sleet]

yo sammy alternativeman I know u rolling out images v2

[surreal zephyr]

soon ;)

spud is going to be really fast btw

like fast fast fast

and smart as hell

new architecture

[civic plaza]

I saw Opus in the announcement and thought it finally came back🥲😂

[surreal zephyr]

v2 or v1.5 🤔

but damn it was fast

[wicked sage]

hi guys

[echo aurora]

Hello

[sterile tartan]

1.5

[echo aurora]

How fast?

[wicked sage]

hi pineapple im currently trying to make my own ai model

[errant sand]

Kimi 2.6 came out

[wicked sage]

my goal is to.. get into lmarena leaderboards
EVEN if its like top 200000

[errant sand]

Not sure how good it is

[surreal zephyr]

15s

v 1.5 takes around 3-5 minutes

[wicked sage]

pineapple can you give me a h200 so i can train my ai ok thx /satire

[surreal zephyr]

i think this might be 1.5

but its suspiciously fast

[sterile tartan]

It's 1.5

Try Dario Amodei

[echo aurora]

Currently is added to Text and Vision btw, going to put out an announcement soon

[sterile tartan]

If it gets it it's 2

[echo aurora]

That's amazing!!! Be sure to let us know when you're ready

[errant sand]

I'll check it out, keep up the good work👍

[surreal zephyr]

old youtube?

definitely 1.5

but 1.5 mightve improved a bit since last i checked, bc it used to be much worse than nano2

[median smelt]

was I not timed out

[wild ridge]

Does anyone know which AI this is? It created me a beautiful perfect website. I cant describe how good it is (Its just for learning for a friend its all in german)

[surreal zephyr]

stealth prolly.
wait can you send image of the website rq?

[wicked sage]

it might take like 3 years mostly because im a teen chud that only has like access to google colab and stuff and whatnot

but ill try my best

[wild ridge]

as i said its german

[wicked sage]

it mightve have been better to just finetune a model but f it we ball

[wild ridge]

I wanted the simple desgin

[sharp iron]

i keep getting Something went wrong with this response, please try again., no matter the model i try

[wild ridge]

and its just too perfect

[surreal zephyr]

its kimi 2.6

[sharp iron]

i've tried quite abit

[wild ridge]

no wayyy

[surreal zephyr]

kimi 2.6 came out like hour ago anyway lol

[wild ridge]

I think that will be a crazy ai model

[desert pendant]

holy inspiration

[wild ridge]

no wayy what??

[median smelt]

Classic "make a website based off of the prompt that you sent above"

[wicked sage]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-i-am-not-sure-i-am-uncertain-i-am-unsure-i-dont-know-gif-12922258372648487006

what does this mean

[desert pendant]

im gonna steal your idea

-# jk

[wicked sage]

oh go for it lmao

[desert pendant]

good luck friend

[wicked sage]

ty ty

[desert pendant]

hope you get atleast in top 4

or 3

[surreal zephyr]

yup 1.5, doesnt get abrams x correctly

[wicked sage]

i DEFINITELY cant

maybe top 100

[desert pendant]

✌️

[wild ridge]

idk if you or anyone here speak german but I think you could translate it from google chrome but just for you to see the website how beautiful structured it is:
https://019dabc1-8f3c-7598-bbc0-a5ab9fd63acf.arena.site/

Ive already created lots of websites with claude and so on but something is diffrent on this one.. I cant explain it..

even if its just that simple.. something feels 1000 times better than on other ai websites

[half veldt]

whats the best model except claude models for frontend design

[sharp iron]

codex 5.3

imo

[storm dust]

oh

thanks pineapple

or whoever removed the time out from me

[echo aurora]

Can you report the Trace ID in #1417174113092374689 ?

[sharp iron]

nw done

[pseudo hemlock]

Anyone know if opus 4.7 is in search battle mode?

Or how it compares to opus 4.6 search

[wicked sage]

opus is removed due to high cost

[rocky geyser]

gpt models always do this weird glassy design which i dont really like

[pseudo hemlock]

Not from battle

[wicked sage]

oh wait im so stupid

isnt there a search mode in leaderboards

[rocky geyser]

yea

[sharp iron]

yea me too

im a patient guy tho so i just tweak him to what i want properly

100% takes abit tho

[rocky geyser]

Yea i guess

Ive been loving sonnet 4.6 its an amazing model!

[echo aurora]

No, not in Search Arena yet 😭

[pseudo hemlock]

Dang ok ty pineapple

[wicked sage]

pineapple can i borrow a h100 from u plss /joke

if you even have one that is

[rocky geyser]

How come some people have agent mode and some dont? I looked at the blog and it seems pretty vague like some people have it and some dont im still kind of confused

[sharp iron]

is sonnet good, ive been using codex mainly cause i tried sonnet once, token limit reached 💔

[storm dust]

it's good but limited

[rocky geyser]

Yea its amazing! The design is good, benchmarks are amazing its better than opus 4.5 i believe and it has become one of my favorite models

Even tho i have always disliked sonnet models until now

[echo aurora]

It's an experiment: https://help.arena.ai/articles/1811908126-arena-experiments-agent-mode meaning it's going to be random if you get the experiment or not.

[rocky geyser]

Oh okay well lucky that i got it lol Is there like a page dedicated to exactly how it works? Like what models, what exactly it does etc. Or since its in beta there isnt really an article like that?

[sharp iron]

whats agent mode, doesnt say anything in this post and im quite intrigued/interested

[echo aurora]

Since it's an experiment we're not providing a lot of information about it. But the idea is users should use it as a multi-modal chat.

[austere vine]

Hey folks at the Large Model Arena, when are you planning to add a ranking for model vision capability tests?

[acoustic garden]

Why did the Opus models disappear from the arena?

[rocky geyser]

Okay, thank you^^

[rocky geyser]

They are still in battle mode but to expensive to host in direct chat / side by side

[echo aurora]

You can see the rankings for Vision Arena here: https://arena.ai/leaderboard/vision

[acoustic garden]

Ty

[austere vine]

Oh, sorry, I didn't notice that

[light sleet]

Can I borrow a ak47 from u?

[light sleet]

also the worst checkpoint of images v2 is rolling out

Not as good as duct tape

Seedance 2 guys.

Seedance 2 fast

[storm dust]

that looks good

[light sleet]

Ty

[echo aurora]

Na

[echo aurora]

It's no problem! Let me know if you have any questions about our leaderboards.

[vast fern]

opus 4.7 when

[echo aurora]

In Battle now

[wicked sage]

idk, sterling

[still musk]

GPT IMAGE 2 IS OUT OMG

[light sleet]

yea but it's releasing by region

[still musk]

PLEASE RELEASE THIS ON ARENA AI IN DIRECT CHAT

NOW

😭😭

[light sleet]

@echo aurora U heard the man, its time to ask the team!

[remote ocean]

hello @echo aurora i wanna ask why opus is no longer available in lmarena?

[still musk]

If it has been released in some regions, please release it now via direct chat in Arena AI🙏🏼

[proud bobcat]

What’s the consensus on kimi k2.6

[median smelt]

Exactly.

oh it worked

nvm

[silent tree]

@storm dust I'm sorry.

[light sleet]

Yo night fury

[storm dust]

blocked people

[light sleet]

Why u so rare to achieve

[storm dust]

i wont unblock you again

[rocky geyser]

Whats yalls fav ai model atm?

[light sleet]

all gpt models

[echo aurora]

We don't need to be discussing this in general, asking to move on please.

[rocky geyser]

fr? thats crazy

[median smelt]

I didnt get image 2 yet

[rocky geyser]

lmao

[median smelt]

which is why it should be added to ARENAAAAAA!!

[light sleet]

@echo aurora I did the model request hahaahahh

[rocky geyser]

fixed text

[light sleet]

look how everyone's model requesting image 2 now

[rocky geyser]

shouldve used google flow there wouldve been no gemini tag 😔

[light sleet]

Everyone model request it

[light sleet]

NOOOWWWW

[light sleet]

shouldve used arena

😔

Shouldve use Google AI Studio

[rocky geyser]

Nah wouldve taken too long, dont really like image generation there, im fine with google flow since it gives unlimited nano banana 2 generations

[light sleet]

Okok

[rocky geyser]

Image generation is not free there

[light sleet]

Gemini 3.1 Pro is

[rugged abyss]

When Kimi k2.6 :)

[vale quest]

@echo aurora Can you start slowly releasing models like opus 4.5 and stuff

[still musk]

LET IT OUT NOW😭🙏🏼

[median smelt]

First, image 2

[echo aurora]

To Direct and Side by Side?

[vale quest]

Yea

And announce when u do it

[wicked sage]

where the hell

wheres kimi k2.6

mad

[vale quest]

Like say

Added muse spark to direct chat and side by side

Inside announcement

[copper ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuYL-15jQvQ&list=RDIuYL-15jQvQ&start_radio=1

[still musk]

The direct chat model would be: gpt-image-2-high-fidelity?

[vale quest]

Ye for image

[formal delta]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-phone-speed-legendary-stream-speed-phone-gif-4108923420328591811

[echo aurora]

If we make this change we'll be sure to put out an announcement

[still musk]

New title @echo aurora

[vale quest]

Ok thanks

[proud bobcat]

qwen crushing coding

[formal delta]

Is it good?

[proud bobcat]

i wonder how good kimi will be

[proud bobcat]

according to the leaderboards yes

i have yet to test it myself

[formal delta]

Ah, I thought you already tested it that’s why I asked

[hoary elbow]

I’m testing qwen 3.6 plus right now, but I wanna know which one’s better the max version or the plus version

[light sleet]

@echo aurora News Update https://019dac15-4da8-7b09-82bc-fccad242b04b.arena.site/

Pineapple if u have time can u come to Chatroom

And set ur name to Pineapple or anything

[echo aurora]

In the middle of a couple things but I will later today

[light sleet]

Kk

[urban herald]

yo pineapple do u know which models agentic mode uses

[echo aurora]

Since it's in the experiment phase I'm not going to speak much to the details about it, but us receiving these questions are helpful for us to understand what questions users have when they use the mode.

[honest verge]

Gpt image V2 is not out

I don't know what everyone is talking about

[median smelt]

Its partially out

OpenAI just didnt make an announcement

[gleaming island]

Hi pineapple can I eat you

[echo aurora]

[gleaming island]

please

I'm hungry

[median smelt]

Finally bypassed nick wilde

[honest verge]

Without actual announcement it's on lvl "trust me bro"

[median smelt]

bro you can literally see people with it

[median smelt]

Ignore how the tail is on the back of the car.

[echo aurora]

Can't unsee it

[formal delta]

Why do I get session not found everytime... bruh

[gleaming island]

sir do you own arena.ai :0

[wicked sage]

❌ hes the cm

[gleaming island]

who owns it then 😡

[wicked sage]

John L LMArena

[gleaming island]

they should add image support to claude opus 4.7 thinking

[echo aurora]

That's very likely a connection issue. I'd recommend trying: different browser, turn off/on VPN if you're using it, clear cookies/cache

[wicked sage]

jokes aside its made by these people i think

Wei-Lin Chiang, Anastasios N. Angelopoulos, Ion Stoica

[echo aurora]

Yeah they're our founders + CEO & CTO

[wicked sage]

oki ✅

[gleaming island]

get me in contact with dem pwease

🥺

[formal delta]

Can’t access the website without VPN lol "🇨🇳"

[echo aurora]

About what?

[gleaming island]

@urban herald hi

[gleaming island]

I wanna make arena.ai better 😳

[urban herald]

yo leako wsp

[echo aurora]

Tell us how in #1372230675914031105

[gleaming island]

wsp twintwin twinsicle

[formal delta]

It was working before tho, dunno why not anymore

[urban herald]

eyy twinsicle 🎉

[gleaming island]

I mean I want to be a dev for it ik how to code lots of coding languages 😳

[gleaming island]

eyy

[urban herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495823320596480020/1431894492872704011/attachment.gif

[daring sinew]

Does the cooldown keep increasing everytime you reach the limit?

Yesterday I reached the limit and got 15 minutes I think, I reached again today morning it gave me 25-30 mins... I reached limit once again and now it says come back in 50 minutes... Will this keep increasing over time???

How does this work?

[rocky geyser]

There is a limit-?

Never reached it 😭

[daring sinew]

You have reached your rate limit for gpt-image-1.5-high-fidelity. Please try again in 46 minutes.

Reached the limit 3 times in 2 days

[rocky geyser]

how many can you generate before the limit

Btw why would you chose gpt 1.5 instead of nano banana 2

[daring sinew]

Idk I made like a couple dozen? Maybe like 15-20 images...

[daring sinew]

idk I just choose whichever came up first

[rocky geyser]

Lol

[rocky geyser]

Wow thats more thani expected

[surreal zephyr]

v2.0 mogs nano2 though

[rocky geyser]

Well v2 isnt on lmarena yet sadly

[loud herald]

It does for generation but I'd bet nano2 is better at editing already made images

[loud herald]

It is

Just battle

[rocky geyser]

Oh okay

Well then id have to be lucky to get it

[loud herald]

This is what I mean @surreal zephyr ^^^

That is nano2

[surreal zephyr]

nah v2 is better at everything

[daring sinew]

Why isnt your nose massive? nano 2 is inaccurate...

[loud herald]

I havent used it yet but it could be, I cant wait to use it though

And I dont even like generative stuff

[loud herald]

LMAO

[hoary elbow]

Wow qwen 3.6 plus made this

[loud herald]

I wish I was still friends with that dude, thbat was a great idea herrsheys

[surreal zephyr]

same but v2 is actually good

[loud herald]

Its good for an open source model, at least it'd be good if it was gemma4's size

For qwen being a decently sized model its good its just not quite on consumer hardware yet

[loud herald]

I have seen, its truly incredible

[cedar citrus]

hello guys

im back

which one is better kimi or qwen 3.6

[rocky geyser]

Kimi k 2.6

[cedar citrus]

i agree

[rocky geyser]

:D

[cedar citrus]

why did arena didnt add kimi yet

[hoary elbow]

Is 3.6+ better than max

[cedar citrus]

idk i do think so

[echo aurora]

Announcement incoming 😉

[rigid pasture]

Hello again

[cedar citrus]

yess

i hope its on side by side and direct

[rocky geyser]

It did

[cedar citrus]

they added only to battle mode then?

[sharp iron]

#1417174113092374689 message any possible ETA for a fix?

[cedar citrus]

weird

[rocky geyser]

wdym?

[cedar citrus]

bruh

it was hidden

[abstract plinth]

hey is muse spark not available in side by side??

[cedar citrus]

at th ebottom

[rocky geyser]

Lmao

[cedar citrus]

sadly no

i now have to wait kimi 2.6 drop on nvidia nim api

nvidia nim api is the goat

free AI api

just 40 rpm

rate limiting

[loud herald]

Pretty sure they added as placeholder for now and will ping when its actually on it

[cedar citrus]

nah

they added it

[loud herald]

Ah

[cedar citrus]

i tested it

[loud herald]

No clue why theres no ping then

[cedar citrus]

lol

[loud herald]

I find datasets so intriguing

[surreal zephyr]

200k is very low context

[loud herald]

Its standard

[cedar citrus]

200k +

[loud herald]

1M is high

[cedar citrus]

also its standart

[surreal zephyr]

standard is 400k / 1m

[cedar citrus]

actually good model

[surreal zephyr]

grok has 2m, gemini and claude have 1m, gpt has 1m / 400k depends on mode

[cedar citrus]

im not joking

[loud herald]

1M is high lol, highest we have currently is 2M

[surreal zephyr]

qwen has 1m even

[loud herald]

Thats true

[cedar citrus]

i just found my go to cheap opus level model

[cedar citrus]

yeah

but

[loud herald]

Ehh we will have to see

[cedar citrus]

kimi is cheaper

i am using it right now

to review my database

[loud herald]

I feel like its just gonna be another GLM 5.1

[cedar citrus]

its reasoning is going well

[cedar citrus]

doesnt look like it

i used glm 5.1 and its HORRIBLE

[cedar citrus]

i vomit when i see it

[desert pendant]

Glm 4.7 was better

[loud herald]

Its not the worst but it aint good

\

[desert pendant]

Used it for a few tasks but when they released Glm 5.1, they made it worse and they also made Glm 4.7 bad 😭

[cedar citrus]

weird my kilo code agent on kimi just stopped randomly

[loud herald]

Honestly, it shouldnt even have to think THAT much to respond like it did

[surreal zephyr]

saying hi to gpt 5.4 pro extended is better (80$ lost in compute 🥀 )

[cedar citrus]

guys im not joking

its talking

[loud herald]

Mann I cant wait till my agent is trained, it'd be the first one I truly trained correctly

[cedar citrus]

exactly likke claude

[cedar citrus]

my code is a MESS

its horrible optimized because of glm 5.1

[desert pendant]

Ai just thinking to say an hi

[cedar citrus]

im never touching a z ai model again

[surreal zephyr]

just use gpt

[desert pendant]

wow 💔

[cedar citrus]

i wasted 2 dollars on that crap

[sweet knot]

Wait, what happened to the LLMs like ChatGPT 5.4, 5.5, Claude 4.7 Opus, and Meta’s newest proprietary model? Where did they suddenly disappear to?

Why have they been left out? Why can’t they be included in the comparison? This seems very suspicious and not quite right.

[surreal zephyr]

???

[rocky geyser]

fr tho

[desert pendant]

They didn't put Opus

[surreal zephyr]

5.5 isnt even a real model

[cedar citrus]

i wasted 6 dollars on it to fix the crappy code

[loud herald]

LOL

[signal pelican]

In case Ampro says anything, ignore him.

[surreal zephyr]

😭

[surreal zephyr]

buy the subscription bro not api

[cedar citrus]

guys

[cedar citrus]

im brazilian

im not wasting 40 dollars

on claude and chatgpt

[desert pendant]

me too ✌️

[sweet knot]

I cant see them in the list of available llms in Side by Side

[cedar citrus]

for me thats 200 reais

[echo aurora]

Recently some models have been removed from Direct and Side by Side mode. This was done to help ensure reliability and availability of Arena in the long term. You can find more information in this announcement: #announcements message

It's worth noting these models weren't removed from Battle.

[sharp iron]

is there a way to export my chat

[loud herald]

I used codex 5.3 to build this agent and I just simply do the training

[cedar citrus]

gpt models are getting great at coding

but i cant chat with them

they are horrible at chatting

[desert pendant]

wsp pineapple

[cedar citrus]

thats why im in claude

[echo aurora]

Howdy

[cedar citrus]

but kimi is doing great for me]

[loud herald]

For sure, I only use codex when it comes to GPT but they are getting real good

[desert pendant]

?

[sweet knot]

But Battle is RANDOM.It makes no sense.

[desert pendant]

which universe are you at?

[signal pelican]

sure it does

[cedar citrus]

okay they are getting great

[desert pendant]

gpt always fail to do good codes for me

✌️

[cedar citrus]

im gonna say

[loud herald]

Yes to stop people from abusing and using opus 4.7 constantly then they run out of money

[cedar citrus]

gpt can be as good

but claude is better

[desert pendant]

tho gpt 5.4 and 5.2 are good

[cedar citrus]

the problem with claude is the pricing

[sweet knot]

Is it for ever, for good or is it provisional, temporary step?

[cedar citrus]

if they fixed that

[loud herald]

Brother what 😂 Codex 5.3 is easily the best coding model out there

[cedar citrus]

we would be rich

[loud herald]

Not frontend but general coding its the best

[cedar citrus]

noire

ima dm you smt

[loud herald]

Alright

[cedar citrus]

i cant send this in chat

[sharp iron]

frontend its amazing

[cedar citrus]

pineapple will kill me

[desert pendant]

i don't really like using codex claude code or something

not my type

[echo aurora]

It's our intent to bring the models back to Direct/Side by Side but will only do so in a way where it's sustainable.

[loud herald]

Its not great frontend, backend is what its truly amazing at

[loud herald]

Ah I get ya

[desert pendant]

yo pineapple

the multi agent mode is good

[echo aurora]

Sorry send what? I'm in a bunch of chats rn

[surreal zephyr]

one thing thats weird is that 5.4 is cheaper than sonnet so it makes no sense

[cedar citrus]

what mode?

[surreal zephyr]

sounds rigged

[desert pendant]

but sometimes it give error

[desert pendant]

the new mode

the agent mode thing

[echo aurora]

If you run into an issue sharing the problem in #1343291835845578853 with more of a breakdown on what happened would be helpful.

[last trench]

Bro just give me gpt image 2 model, I wanna make some neural slope images 💀💀💀

[cedar citrus]

where

[cedar citrus]

kimi response

its too big

[sweet knot]

Quite foggy and ambiguous as in new language 🤣. Well, I hope you SHALL restore old settings. I do not believe that it will help Anthropic or GPT earn money. Arena.ai is for nerds like us.

[echo aurora]

I wouldn't mind it being shared

[desert pendant]

https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1495352743555108864

its like this one

[light sleet]

pineapple my brother drank a pineapple juice yesterday

Any chances you were involved in the drink pineapple juice crime?

[echo aurora]

I can not confirm, nor deny

[light sleet]

Hm

[desert pendant]

👀

[cedar citrus]

okay then

fixes

he found

Here is the code review for v1 (nous/ and training/).

---

Critical Issues

1. Broken Causal Conv State During Autoregressive Generation

File: nous/generation.py (inference) / nous/model.py (SelectiveSSM.forward)

During generation, model() is called with a single token (next_token shape [1, 1]). In SelectiveSSM.forward, the new conv hidden state is computed as:

new_conv_hidden = x_proj.transpose(1, 2)[:, :, -(self.d_conv - 1) :]

When seq_len = 1 and d_conv = 4, slicing [-3:] on a length-1 tensor returns an empty tensor (shape [batch, d_inner, 0]). This empty tensor is passed back as working_memory for the next step. The 1D convolution's history is effectively reset every token, so the model loses local context across generation steps.

Fix: Maintain a fixed-size conv state buffer (length d_conv - 1) and shift-append new tokens, rather than slicing x_proj which only works when seq_len >= d_conv - 1.

---

Moderate Issues

2. deep_memory_init Buffer Is Never Used

File: nous/model.py lines 158–161

deep_memory = torch.zeros(
    config.num_layers, config.batch_size, config.hidden_size
)
self.register_buffer("deep_memory_init", deep_memory)

forward() ignores this buffer and creates fresh zeros when deep_memory is None. It also hardcodes batch_size into a buffer shape, which is unnecessary. This is dead code.

Fix: Either remove it, or use it to initialize deep_memory in forward().

3. get_dominant_position() Hardcodes Slice Indices

File: nous/alignment.py lines 96–117

if alignment[256:384].norm() > alignment[384:].norm():

This assumes alignment_size >= 448. The default is 512, so it works out of the box, but if alignment_size is ever reduced below 448, this will raise an IndexError.

Fix: Derive slice sizes dynamically from alignment_size.

---

Minor Issues
4. ignore_index=0 Assumes Token 0 Is Padding
File: training/loss.py line 29

ignore_index=0,
This depends entirely on the SentencePiece tokenizer configuration. If ID 0 is a real vocabulary token (e.g., <unk> in some SPM setups), the model will never learn to predict it.

Fix: Make pad_token_id configurable in NOUSConfig and pass it through.

5. Extremely Slow SSM Implementation
   File: nous/model.py (_selective_scan)

The scan is a pure Python for loop over seq_len (up to 2048). On CUDA, this will be orders of magnitude slower than it should be. This is a performance bottleneck, not a correctness bug, but it makes v1 impractical to train at scale.

Fix: Use a vectorized scan kernel or consider a standard Mamba/CUDA implementation.

Design Observations (Not Bugs)
combined_loss phase weighting: Phase 2 uses 0.1 * next_token + 0.9 * coherence, which heavily suppresses language modeling. If this is intentional, fine — but it means the model may stop learning to predict tokens well during crystallization.
deep_memory injection: Every layer receives the same scalar-broadcasted final-layer mean (x.mean(dim=1)). If you intended layer-specific memory, this is not doing that.
alignment_update_interval = 10_000_000: This is so large that the alignment layer will likely never update during a standard training run.
Bottom line: The biggest problem is the broken conv state during generation, which will cause degraded/incoherent outputs. The dead deep_memory_init buffer and hardcoded alignment slices should also be cleaned up.

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