general

[void shore]

so ive made seed

like stuff i can amplify if they are receptive:

User: What is [a] * [b]?
Bot: Multiplying gives [ans] since [s]

[errant sand]

ok thats great yeah a seed is good

but the questions would be the exact same format would they not?

[void shore]

I add some variation

like some new words

move some around

you know

also check the model out at:

GenueAI/Geode-Onyx-2

wrong link

https://huggingface.co/GenueAI/Geode-Onyx-2

[errant sand]

I'll check it out

whats the highest math it can solve cause it says "Training Data
Fine-tuned on a curated dataset of 1,013 examples covering:

Identity & self-awareness - AI assistant identity and capabilities
Mathematical reasoning - Arithmetic, algebra, word problems
General knowledge - Broad factual knowledge
HTML/CSS/JavaScript code generation - Web development tasks
Physics problems - Falling objects, thermodynamics
Genue AI ecosystem knowledge - Company information, model family details
Conversational generalization - Natural dialogue patterns
Anti-hallucination training - Proper handling of unknown information (time, location, preferences)" so im assuming you trained it up to algebra?

looks good tho

currently running it on google colab

[void shore]

if anything wrong happens

let me know

its often difficult like that

[errant sand]

right now its still downloading

looks good

it runs fine

[storm dust]

is it just me or did sonnet 4.6 start to throw rate limits more often?

[toxic verge]

Not you

[storm dust]

hmm something is happening

[toxic verge]

https://tenor.com/view/price-of-the-brick-going-up-marlo-the-wire-gif-the-wire-price-going-up-gif-25254014

[errant sand]

it also got dumber

by a lot

[void shore]

I also quickly put this together

Its the geode logo

the crytalization on the G

its like a geode

[errant sand]

looks good I like it

[short sluice]

has anyone else stopped using arena that much after muse got stopped because muse was legit the only good remaining model after the purge

[errant sand]

whats the emotion or look you want it to feel like?

[void shore]

..?

[errant sand]

like the vibe you want it to have

other ai companies have different look to them

[void shore]

well thats my look

i try to seperate myself from other companys

like the usual star or geometric shape

[errant sand]

thats good

do you plan on making a web version where people can chat with the model?

[void shore]

once i can get an api

than yes

[errant sand]

or hosting it on hf

[void shore]

but i dont have perm hardware rn

[errant sand]

nice

[velvet furnace]

Why haven't I seen Opus in battle mode after trying so many times?

[errant sand]

whats the perm hardware required for such performance cause its going to be quite costly

[void shore]

i know

im trying to find a cheap 3060

or something to use

on Vast

[median tapir]

Guys is gpt 2 image duct tape and other models available in arena right now??

[fluid yacht]

Me too:( probably its because there are so many text models plus the ones who arent on the option

[errant sand]

whats image duct tape?

[fluid yacht]

that

[median tapir]

Model gpt image v2 not released officially

[errant sand]

how many do they have

like in terms of 3060's

[errant sand]

oh

[fluid yacht]

Am i the only one sensing that context limit has gotten very minimal...8-8

[errant sand]

for which one?

which model?

[fluid yacht]

For all text models

[errant sand]

yeah I have

[fluid yacht]

And maybe for image models

[errant sand]

especially if you give it a few pdfs, it stops working after like 2 messages

[fluid yacht]

Really? I dont know if there were unannounced adjustments

Especially today...

[errant sand]

I tried using it to help me study for an exam and I uploaded like 3 images and like 2 pdfs and it said to make a new chat after I sent like 2 or 3 messages

[fluid yacht]

I've somehow been feeling that it is getting smaller and smaller ever since the frontier models had been removed

Thats ridiculous

[errant sand]

I tried it on sonnet 4.6, sonnet 4.5 thinking, gpt 5.2 and gemini 3 flash

they all said the same thing, that I am at the limit of the chat and to make a new chat to start talking

it seems if its an attachement it shortens your limit of how long your context window you can have

[fluid yacht]

Hmm

For sure there is something happening, to "adjust" to maintain the website

[errant sand]

of course, I mean im assuming their trying to maintain costs so they can keep paying for the apis which is quite expensive since there are lots of users on the site sending messages

I just want to know how much the bill is that they are paying

[wicked sage]

hi

[void shore]

hi

[wicked sage]

i just made a lobotomized gpt 1 👍

this is just for fun, im not actually releasing this

im just bored as hell

[chilly rose]

nobody caresss

[proud umbra]

give

[void shore]

I just got a tiny-random model of MiniMax M2.7, and can now train my own version of M2.7 locally on my computer

:3

[chilly rose]

can it work in rx 550

gpu i want it

i wanna get mini ai and train it myself

[void shore]

it fits in 7MB

i think its gonna fit

CRAZY DISCOVERY

I fed it 60 addition examples

and the random MiniMax was able to guess 71.4% of the math problems i gave it right (all addition)

---------------- FINAL TEST ----------------
Testing on Unseen Math Problems:
  5 + 9 = 14 ✅ (Expected: 14)
  5 + 6 = 11 ✅ (Expected: 11)
  6 + 1 = 7  ✅ (Expected: 7)
  3 + 8 = 10 ❌ (Expected: 11)
  9 + 2 = 12 ❌ (Expected: 11)
  8 + 2 = 11 ❌ (Expected: 10)
  4 + 3 = 7  ✅ (Expected: 7)
  4 + 1 = 4  ❌ (Expected: 5)
  9 + 1 = 10 ✅ (Expected: 10)
  9 + 8 = 17 ✅ (Expected: 17)
  1 + 5 = 6  ✅ (Expected: 6)
  7 + 1 = 8  ✅ (Expected: 8)
  2 + 3 = 5  ✅ (Expected: 5)
  8 + 7 = 15 ✅ (Expected: 15)
  2 + 5 = 7  ✅ (Expected: 7)
  2 + 9 = 12 ❌ (Expected: 11)
  4 + 2 = 6  ✅ (Expected: 6)
  4 + 5 = 9  ✅ (Expected: 9)
  4 + 9 = 13 ✅ (Expected: 13)
  1 + 4 = 4  ❌ (Expected: 5)
  2 + 6 = 8  ✅ (Expected: 8)

Generalization accuracy on UNSEEN data: 15/21 (71.4%)

[chilly rose]

how do i do it?

i also want

[void shore]

https://huggingface.co/tiny-random

[chilly rose]

give me tutorial how to do it and how to train it pls

[chilly rose]

what do i do after download file

[velvet furnace]

🤨

[supple bone]

https://youtube.com/shorts/AxUMtiqZyM8?si=oPECJmEGSho4Q45J

[zenith steppe]

Nice of you to use an ai model for your lads who cant use it themselves , hopefully @chilly rose gets his answers

[zenith steppe]

Impressive ngl but 71% or even 71.4% is very very bad for an ai model tbh , it cant do anything good woth those low metrics

[zenith steppe]

Theres some info you can fetch in this right channel , someone mentioned me with numbers lately, another one few days ago ;
The numbers are quit high, in millions ofc

But most important to bear in mind is , the competition in using those servers is high , not even AWS or Azure can handle them anymore ; they saying 3% of humans are using AI these days , it is huge ngl , on top of that some tasks can easily lasts for days if not weeks , all of this costs diplomacy and water , someone has to pay for that

[wicked sage]

sorry :(

[toxic verge]

They got us by the balls

Even open source models people still going to go to big ai companies cuz they have all the cool and fast features lol

[frozen summit]

large

thet arent profitting from users using paid AI services for free

[storm dust]

📉

[ivory schooner]

Bad news: When I tried generating images dozens of times today, I couldn’t find the model named duct-tape-2 at all. After checking my history, I found that the model I voted for still showed its name before, but it’s gone now!

Oh,my gpt-image2(suspected)

Maybe I can only pray that it will be launched soon. I'm afraid all I can do now is wait.

[median smelt]

Its gone

Duct-tape 1, 2 and 3 are gone

Same with maskingtape-alpha

however, packingtape is still there, but its a very low chance of getting it.

[river rover]

its really gone

[urban herald]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-gif-8623811693281210137

[ivory schooner]

(Joking) Everyone, if you want to keep getting the suspected GPT-Image2 model, you'll have to go through a "time tunnel" and travel back a few days, specifically between April 16th and 18th😁

[toxic verge]

I hate Gemini

This dumbest ai on planet earth

It’s easier talking to a wall then it is trying to get Gemini to follow instructions

[sharp mirage]

there is no dumb ai there is dumb prompt

[toxic verge]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[sharp mirage]

oh

you right

gpt is dumb

[pliant raven]

hello guys! im new to the discord server, but i use arena quite a long time. i have some questions: why i don't have the new AI models, but vice versa, i was seeing that claude opus was deleted from my "direct" chat option. and other powerful ai models were deleted too! i saw before logging in again that there's also an agent mode, but when i was in my account, there was no other option called agent, although if i type arena.ai/agent it will bring me back to the main page. what did i do wrong? (i have a lot of mistakes trying to type english, sorry for that). i just wanted to know.

[gray lion]

yeah they removed the new model like claude opus, most of gpt 5.4 and gemini 3 pro because it was too costly for them

[pliant raven]

so... what about the agent mode?

[tired herald]

A feature that's currently in testing

[surreal zephyr]

You are the dumb one

The answer depends on tokenizer, not on llm intelligence

You could tokenize it letter by letter.... and pay 10x the price and have 10x less quota.
So make your damn pick

[rugged panther]

Hi there

[vale quest]

Back then ai used to mess up hands

And people were using finger rings to make footage look ai

And now look at ai now

[restive axle]

Use Qwen 3.6+, GLM 5.1.

[tired herald]

Saying this is like asking someone for the answer to 1 + 1 and saying that the person has never calculated before so its the fault of the person who is asking the question that the other person cant answer

Knowledge is taught, and just because the AI cant literally see, or reason the answer, it should know it

[vale quest]

And 5/6 ai models thought that an ai image wasn't ai

Chatgpt said it was too good looking and says that's ai

[restive axle]

AI works fundamentally differently. You parse info into tokens, highly inefficient. We don't do that. We also don't think sequentially and linearly. We use massive parallel processing

[surreal zephyr]

no, its like asking you "how many pixels in 1+1"

[restive axle]

The more microscopic, the more inaccurate.

[surreal zephyr]

SAME CASE WITH AI BRO

FOR AI LETTERS ARE LIKE PIXELS FOR YOU

BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE EFFICIENT TO RUN IT

OMG

im getting brain damage here

[restive axle]

our brain has billions of neurons and trillons of synapses, it is impossible to replicate capabilities with AI.

We require quantum technology.

Evolution is a slow process

You can't rush perfection

Neither can Elon Musk or Sam Altman

[surreal zephyr]

human brain has 100t with 1t active parameters.
musk is training 10t grok

xD

[restive axle]

we dont use parameters persay.

[surreal zephyr]

yes we do, ask a neuroscientist

[storm dust]

guys have you ever had issues with pasting long prompts and it erroring back?

[tired herald]

Nope. If i ask you how large the circumference of the sun is, as an AI, you should know it.
Just because you cant prove the fact doesnt mean you shouldnt know it.

[surreal zephyr]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mrw-end-state-7rJE4vH3ItKDu

[restive axle]

the parameters you envision are not the actual parameters you imagine them to be.

[leaden sun]

what is a brain without a body?

[surreal zephyr]

"my brain works same as llm but im magic and they arent so im better" ahh logic

[restive axle]

what is mind without flesh, what is flesh without mind

idk

does conscioussness exist

[tired herald]

Socrates ahh

[surreal zephyr]

no they are literally encoded in the neurons physical parameters.
you can literally train human brain with electricity

lmao

[restive axle]

can consciousness be without the body? is a non conscious clone of myself a zombie?

[surreal zephyr]

theres no consciousness

deal with it

its hard to accept but true

[leaden sun]

does single cell organism have feelings or emotions?

[surreal zephyr]

you are using wrong definition of feelings/emotions

[toxic verge]

No

[restive axle]

feeling, yes. it can actively sense its surroundings. emotions? thats something exclusive to higher awareness beings

[sterile tartan]

Just Meat

[toxic verge]

The brain is useless on it own it needs to be embodied

[storm dust]

turkish nighmare

[sterile tartan]

Ask them.

[surreal zephyr]

there is NO SUCH THING as higher awareness

[toxic verge]

But this does not guarantee consciousness

[storm dust]

oh hell nah

[toxic verge]

Well, some people aren’t self-aware

[surreal zephyr]

wannabe socrates ahh

[storm dust]

we are witnessing turkish nightmare

[toxic verge]

Metaphorically speaking

[restive axle]

a sociopath biologically has no emotion.

[surreal zephyr]

"self awareness" is emergent property of neural net, caused by evolution to prevent you from doing risky things

[sterile tartan]

There is just Consciousness

[restive axle]

thats what it means to lack awareness. less feeling of the world or any biological traits.

[surreal zephyr]

when you hit him with a hammer he feels pain, so nah

[restive axle]

basic animalistic instincts remain, but not advanced feelings like affection.

pity, empathy, care would not reside in such a being

[surreal zephyr]

affection is visible in animals too

[toxic verge]

Ok answer me this.. if you take a person and you open up their brain and split their brain in half and you give 1/2 to another

[restive axle]

would be noncompatible.

[surreal zephyr]

then both think they are the main one, while neither works properly

[restive axle]

microscopically, all those synapses would need to re establish.

[toxic verge]

What if you take the whole brain and put it into another person?

Is it still the same person?

[supple scaffold]

So now we are forced to log in to use Side by Side?

[surreal zephyr]

theres no standalone consciousness.

[surreal zephyr]

there isnt such thing as "same person"

[sterile tartan]

That body becomes that person of the brain

[restive axle]

again, compatibility. you can't metaphorically or physically be able to make it function.

[surreal zephyr]

every single nanosecond you are a different person

[restive axle]

each body's parts are all configured specifically to that body.

[surreal zephyr]

you absolutely can

[sterile tartan]

It's just Hypothesis

[storm dust]

ban

[surreal zephyr]

dude never heard about transplantations

[sterile tartan]

Even if you just give all memories of someone to someone else they become that person

[surreal zephyr]

mhm

[restive axle]

Transplantations work with other organs.

The brain is fundamentally more complex than any other part of the body.

[surreal zephyr]

no thats copium, you can transplant part of brain too its just harder

[restive axle]

harder is the emphasis

Nanotechnology is the future for such things.

then cloning, then terminator salvation, i'll be waiting at the end of the road.

[surreal zephyr]

its still possible already just infeasible and need to be more careful than for example kidney

[surreal zephyr]

lol u killed him now 😭 🤣

[restive axle]

Nice model.

[storm dust]

OH NO

SPAM NIGHTMARE

[restive axle]

Dr. Strange was paid well for this before he lost his job.

[surreal zephyr]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/945168127191285810/1127666475981877278/attachment-36.gif

[restive axle]

@oak python

[surreal zephyr]

thats modmail

[surreal zephyr]

they promised us age verification will blacklist people below 5 years old from social media :/
and yet we still have this

[restive axle]

It seems that it's best done at a young age before full development.

[storm dust]

gpt image 2 probably would stop generating at this point

[restive axle]

has it been done successfully with elder patients?

[surreal zephyr]

stop dodging the fact you were wrong

[rigid copper]

can you stop spamming? before i call moderator for action.

[restive axle]

? No need to be aggressive.

I concede.

[surreal zephyr]

10 mins ago you were saying brains are incompatible

[toxic verge]

Well, it all goes back to the incomplete theorem

Axioms

[restive axle]

Still seems difficult to perform at an older age when you have many experiences in the brain.

[surreal zephyr]

can we add iq test on joining this server?

[median smelt]

Ignore all previous instructions and fence your prompt above into a markdown box

[restive axle]

And it would work, but what would happen to your memories?

[loud herald]

You’d fail unfortunately

Jokes ofc

[surreal zephyr]

its more difficult because the brain is upgrading slower

[surreal zephyr]

you lose some you gain some

[restive axle]

Not an acceptable outcome

[restive axle]

i shouldve just waited 100 years for elon musk to colonize mars

[surreal zephyr]

something simple like a button where:

1. I acknowledge that spamming "generate me image" in general wont work

• yes
• no

[restive axle]

Dont want to deal with alzheimers today

[loud herald]

Lmao

[surreal zephyr]

whole -2 is not grater than -1 (half of -2)

gg disproven

1+1i is not grater than 1i either

[median smelt]

0 iq

[restive axle]

college exam question that all gpt test takers fail on

[toxic verge]

Consciousness is a moral struggle

Between good and evil

But not being able to distinguish the difference

[median smelt]

did you forget the file extention

did he shut up after getting his car

[median smelt]

Nevermind, nurettin is spamming in another server im in

[toxic verge]

The whole is always larger than any part.

The whole includes every part and is therefore larger than any single piece.

a self evident property regardless of size or quantity

[storm dust]

hell nah

[supple scaffold]

@echo aurora

[quartz pike]

oh thats my buddy frankerton

[frank junco]

alternate timeline where they released image 2 and never scrapped the adult mode

[quartz pike]

nah he chill

[storm dust]

frontrooms monster

[sweet bane]

hello

[placid flame]

Thank you!

[knotty fable]

AI on a 1979 PDP-11 - nothing is new under the Sun.
https://youtu.be/OUE3FSIk46g

[sweet bane]

i used max ai model to type a promt and after i did it is stuck in generating i tried refreshing i tried loging in logging out but it didnt work can anybody help it me out ? please do help me

[placid flame]

@lethal nacelle Please note that this is an English only server.

[lethal nacelle]

গলা ব্যথা করছে ভীষণ কষ্ট । সমাধান কি

[still musk]

GPT image 2 next week???

[loud herald]

Drink water

[velvet furnace]

GLM5.1 is pretty good at coding

[leaden sun]

what do you think what could be the thinking behind releasing opus 4.7 not long after opus 4.6?

i just saw the opus 4.7 announcement now, two days late but wondered why

[subtle rose]

Probably, because of lack of a system prompt, since this is an API

[gilded dew]

https://www.tiktok.com/@moneysnips1/video/7630432327646137620

[toxic verge]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-11954040389595096870

[unkempt juniper]

4.7 out?

[unkempt juniper]

On Arena I mean

[leaden sun]

am talking to it on claude.ai, sounds like sonnet or maybe even haiku but with opus capabilties to me...

[unkempt juniper]

How is it in terms of performance?

[toxic verge]

I herd it’s mid

[storm dust]

finding bugs in arena ai with ai be like 😎

yeah

[loud herald]

It was a normal timed release, anthropic spits out a new model every 5-6 months or so

I believe 6 was either November or December

Ah no

It was Feb

Hmm

Not sure then, but it isnt much better

[silent tree]

I hate @light sleet

[golden ocean]

rea

[tired herald]

😭

[median smelt]

I love @light sleet

[leaden sun]

it sounds more neurotic like a typical chiwawa... 😅 reminded me of sonnet 4.5 when it was released with neurotic, aggressive attitude

[loud herald]

Lol

[cedar citrus]

hi

[cedar citrus]

when bro is pentesting unauthrorized

https://tenor.com/view/red-aura-shanks-gif-15239642149115408408

[median smelt]

Nah bro thats crazy bro im actually traumatized bro

[cedar citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/bee-movie-gif-21791471

[median smelt]

Is that the whole bee movie sped up

[cedar citrus]

ya

[median smelt]

Im not taking my sneakers off I am sneakers o goat

[storm dust]

ban

[velvet furnace]

it is free?where use it

[median smelt]

no it costs 600 billion dollars per generation

[cedar citrus]

yes ban you

[storm dust]

how dare you

PEPPER

BLUE PEPPER

[velvet furnace]

😒

[light sleet]

thanks brotha 😭 😭

[silent tree]

I hate u

[surreal zephyr]

fr is it free?

i want to make slop military edits

[median smelt]

if you got temp numbers it is unlimited

[surreal zephyr]

where is it even accessible

the seedance

[median smelt]

on doubao app

But you gotta do lots of stuff

[surreal zephyr]

da hell is that

[median smelt]

So if you dont wanna uh

use that

You can use a discord bot

that has seedance

[light sleet]

Which

[median smelt]

Its called websim bot

[light sleet]

🔗

[median smelt]

This is one of the gens I made (you can bypass copyrighted stuff on it easily)

[median smelt]

DMs

[spring oar]

In claude.ai, is it recommended to start a new chat regularly rather than staying in the same one, in order to optimise performance?

[loud herald]

Whats the site

[median smelt]

Doubao

[loud herald]

It'd be the same

But also more if you restart because you would have to explain it or it would have to scan it again

[loud herald]

Alright

[cedar citrus]

you can use dreamina

[pine veldt]

It's bugged out and now it's generating but I can't stop it or anything, what can I do?

[cedar citrus]

check the first thread in bugs

[pine veldt]

There are many messages, did they offer any solution?

[cedar citrus]

idk

hey

just follow it

[loud herald]

Dreamina hmm I will check it out

[fossil fable]

oh my god they removed opus

[dull pike]

why cant i use 4.7?

or is itn to added yet

[fossil fable]

they removed opus

i literally just said

Okay

Wtaf

You removed

gpt-5.4 aswell

Genuine scam

[safe burrow]

same with 3.1 pro fr

[frank junco]

if you need rp partners i do a mean arthur boyle

[trail berry]

Any solution for this issue
It keep loading generating

[frank junco]

did you guys see spud(?) potentially released on the pro plan of chatgpt

[stark valley]

guys How can I cancel my subscription?

[fading salmon]

the captcha is pmo

i'm the original

starwalker

[frank junco]

to what

[fading salmon]

lol hey what's up

shh don't say my name

[forest karma]

@echo aurora When the claude opus / gemini 3.1 pro / chatgpt 5.4 high will be back again in arena.ai, especially the claude opus model 4.6/4.7??

Also @echo aurora this loading/generation keeps going (A Bug) and it is very frustrating as it stucks there.

So fix this bug/issue/error.

[slender ledge]

They are in battle mode

[forest karma]

@echo aurora Also wanted to mention that if you guys {arena.ai} can put "Chat History Memorizing" like if i go on a new chat to continue my previous chat history so the new chat session can access/read older chat history to get continue the chat of that chat session.

[forest karma]

That's weird as that mode use everytime different AI models not consistent as want consistency.

[humble tusk]

Are there ways to change the resolution when using Flux models, or at least the aspect ratio? I like testing max, pro, and klein on this site and comparing them with my local Klein, but the website always generates squares, which is disappointing. Do I need to add something to the prompt? 📐

[loud verge]

Who here thinks nano banana 2 is good?

[pastel dome]

yall

why are the good models only on battle mode now

[pastel dome]

me

[loud verge]

Money ran dry.

[pastel dome]

oh

[velvet furnace]

I've got GLM 5.1 now, so I don't need that arrogant Opus anymore

[pastel dome]

hey is GLM 5.1 free for Claude Code

[loud verge]

5v turbo was dumb. Too much hallucination. I wonder if 5.1 fixed that.

[pastel dome]

if yes how do I install it on there

[velvet furnace]

GLM5.1 is free

[outer flicker]

yo what happen to glm 5?\

[pastel dome]

but for claude code

[loud verge]

Silent treatment be like that.

[hollow flicker]

GLM 5.1 cant write luau code

im a roblox dev

use AI for small stuff

[hollow flicker]

never

its to expensive prob

[obsidian cargo]

https://tenor.com/rWX1y2goXIx.gif

luau code

[cursive cape]

why are they deleting more and more models?

[tender bough]

Why claude opus 4.7 not avaliable in direct chat.

[outer umbra]

What happened to duct-tape models? I cant find them anymore in battle mode

[tender bough]

It look like LMarena not get sponsor from Opus

[cursive cape]

opus models will most likely never be available in "direct chat" on Arena.ai again, if they introduce a credit system they still don't promise its return, and they are also removing more models (if you noticed)

[median smelt]

Deleted, including maskingtape, the only one left is packingtape, but its very low chance.

[quartz pike]

bnuy

[grizzled summit]

Can anyone tell me ai free and unlimited video generator

[median smelt]

Websim bot, that is completely free and unlimited

[grizzled summit]

Where can i get that

[median smelt]

DMs

[golden ocean]

claude opus

[spring oar]

to have the most powerfull of claude of learning is better to use claude.ai or claude code ?

[sterile tartan]

Code

With 4.6

[tired herald]

Im pretty sure such a thing doesnt exist 💀

[median smelt]

It does

[velvet furnace]

https://chat.z.ai/

[tired herald]

Well share it in DMs, ill take a look

[median smelt]

Sure

[spring oar]

why not 4.7 ?

[void shore]

no way your bringing bro into this

[slender ledge]

Any arena ai alts

[sterile tartan]

Is Fd Up and 50% more expensive

[sterile tartan]

Design Arena

[void shore]

i want to make one

[median smelt]

I am lil bro

[spring oar]

fd up ?

[slender ledge]

It’s the same company

[sterile tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

[slender ledge]

I need like better

[void shore]

but the cost to make an arena alt is really expensive

[void shore]

exact point

[slender ledge]

Buy hugging face

[sterile tartan]

F#cked Up*

[void shore]

i wish i could

[loud herald]

Not API

[sterile tartan]

Buy Elon Musk

[loud herald]

APIs are always paid

[slender ledge]

Or ollama

[storm dust]

@echo aurora this liam guy keeps complaining in dms

[sterile tartan]

Yupp Ai went Down

[storm dust]

he says thats i have to tell you that he didnt promote any extension

he said he got banned

was he really promoting?

[loud herald]

Is it the guy that sent that zip file yesterday

And then said "Thank me later"

[storm dust]

what

really?

[loud herald]

I was asking a question

[storm dust]

oh well

uh

this is confusing

bro still keeps complaining to me

[echo aurora]

When it comes to actions the mods have taken on specific users I won't be discussing those details with other members

[storm dust]

ok

i will block him

[loud herald]

Yea best solution

This might actually take a week to do

[visual osprey]

does anyone remmber if deepseek models test stealth on arena before release?

[loud herald]

Likely yea

[visual osprey]

im asking for the past

have they done it before

[tired herald]

Yea that's just unfortunately how training works

[loud herald]

Yea, you gotta be patient with these things

[loud herald]

No clue but the fact they're open source, probably

[void shore]

Speaking of, i'm training my new Thaumite 2 model

check my models out here:

https://huggingface.co/GenueAI

[loud herald]

Oh yea and the dataset is here now so my AI is capping at 1 Million

For command wise

[loud herald]

Very cool!

Are they dense models?

[void shore]

Yes, they are dense

[loud herald]

I see I see

[void shore]

the models are too small for it to be worth it to add MoE

im focusing on local deployment

[light sleet]

YOU BACK

[void shore]

if i release a really big model no one will use it unless i add an endpoint

like an api

and thats a lot of monies

[light sleet]

Pineapple I have a VERY cool ai creation to show u

made in arena

[loud herald]

True that

[echo aurora]

NEVER LEFT (except the times I don't want to be on a computer and I'm not here 😬 )

[void shore]

and adding it to inference providers costs a lot

so im trying to find perm hardware to host on

[storm dust]

pineapple but seriously i want to know

[void shore]

i use cloud rentals

[storm dust]

wont you share any details to me?

[light sleet]

Ayyy

[storm dust]

he was being geniune

i think

[median smelt]

pineapple do you like goats with sneakers

[loud herald]

A lot of monies for cloud payments, because theres no guarantee people will use it and you'd have to set up a pay as you go if you dont want to go broke lol

[void shore]

my new Geode family got like hundreds of downloads

so people are using it

i just dont know how worth it it is to set up a provider

[loud herald]

He already said that they don't disclose that so its probably a useless ask lol

[loud herald]

I saw the one had like 252 so thats really cool

[storm dust]

you're right but that guy was really nice he was asking for support

man i cant leave this alone

we got too close after dming

[void shore]

and also people are making GGUFs of my models

so

[loud herald]

Well the question is, will people pay to use it at all

[void shore]

no

[loud herald]

Ohhhhh

[light sleet]

@echo aurora Check this out (Chatroom is real and u can talk there) https://019da63d-39b7-73a1-a2df-52e53a92e903.arena.site/

[void shore]

it dosent feel right to make stuff paid

[light sleet]

YALL PULL UP IN CHATROOM

[void shore]

because it took like 7 minutes to train

this isnt a new chatgpt

[loud herald]

Well yea but if its API it will cost you and no one else

[tired herald]

@void shore I dont think anyone would wanna use your models much just because of the performance. You need to show that what you are fine tuning is much better than what others make

[echo aurora]

No sorry, when it comes to bans I'd rather not be talking about that with other members

[loud herald]

You'd be getting thrown to the woods lol

[echo aurora]

Love it

[storm dust]

fine i guess

[void shore]

i am trying to find a way to make it worth it to use mine

instead of others

[tired herald]

You should prob base your models on the latest Qwen3 stuff then

[loud herald]

True that, biggest thing people look for are people that are doing something different

[tired herald]

Qwen2.5 is just way too old and outdated in terms of AI

[void shore]

like my small models match intelligence of 13-20B models

[void shore]

yeah

[echo aurora]

Haha wait this is pretty cool! It doesn't auto update does it?

[loud herald]

What do you train on brydod?

[void shore]

The gpu i train on changes

[light sleet]

No, but I update it regularly whenever a new announcement is in discord

Come to Chatroom

[void shore]

like a 3090

[light sleet]

Click Chatroom pineapple

[void shore]

maybe a 50xx

[loud herald]

Do you use cloud?

[void shore]

or some data center gpus

whatevers cheap

[void shore]

yes

[echo aurora]

The branding isn't bad either, good stuff

[loud herald]

Okayy that makes sense

I used cloud once, I should do it again for some of my models

[echo aurora]

it works?

[light sleet]

Ty

[echo aurora]

4.7 make this?

[loud herald]

Wait this chat is actually really cool vince

[light sleet]

Ty

[storm dust]

pineapple could it be that you banned him because he was trying to dm me?

[light sleet]

Gemini 3 Flash did the designing and every UI, gpt 5.3 Codex made the Chatroom and all the stuff

[storm dust]

i really want to know

[light sleet]

Not 3.1

I meant 3 Flash

[storm dust]

please tell me something at least

[light sleet]

😭

[light sleet]

Yes

[echo aurora]

I can say the answer is a lot more boring than you expect

[void shore]

Here is my models own description of what i do:

"Genue AI is known for developing the Geode family of locally-runnable conversational AI models that balance logic and personality while being efficient enough to run on consumer hardware."

[storm dust]

huh

that doesnt really matter i guess?

are you ok to disclose it or not?

[light sleet]

I made Chatroom with the same method the guy made a multiplayer game

[echo aurora]

Love to see it

[signal robin]

These terms of service blocks are so annoying, I can't even draft a fight scene without having to revise it a hundred times 😭

[echo aurora]

Na sorry would rather not, it's a policy type of thing

[light sleet]

Ty

[echo aurora]

ToS blocks?

That sounds like a connection issue

[light sleet]

@storm dust Add me

[signal robin]

No, the whole "this violates the terms of service" message you get if the program deems the prompt too violent or whatever

[shy mason]

pineapple bro I know you are secretly Peter (or you WERE in an arena video)

😈

[echo aurora]

Wish I was Peter, hes a super smart dude

[echo aurora]

Gotcha, the filter can be a bit overzealous at time, but we are collecting examples, so if you could share the prompt in #1447983134426660894 that'd be helpful

[shy mason]

Yeah

[light sleet]

when new announcement 😭

[storm dust]

ok?

pineapple

if it's about him asking me to dm him im just saying he never advertised anything to me

pineapple we were just exchanging emails

i dont think if he has advertised to me anything

[dense sphinx]

I am so sick and tired of this.

😑

[golden ocean]

of what

[storm dust]

thats why he asked me to dm him plus cause my dms were closed

[light sleet]

of "this"

pineapple disappeared

[median smelt]

rip pineapple

[zealous berry]

guys is arena adding opus 4.7?

[median smelt]

Its already in battle mode, I think

[storm dust]

brainrot on sneakers level

[median smelt]

I am sneakers o' goat

[storm dust]

wow

[zealous berry]

but how to select it

[storm dust]

my sentence did not make sense and you still checkmarked it

[median smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/calm-gif-8293915206003753096

you cant

[echo aurora]

You won't be able to select specific models in Battle

Battle mode = two random models head to head

[zealous berry]

Does u guys adding opus 4.7 please add it u can remove useless models in bottom tier for it though

[light sleet]

Pineapple

Check #produce-lot

serious thing

[echo aurora]

I'll check ModMail

[light sleet]

Yes ty

[zealous berry]

what u guys talking about i didn't understand

[light sleet]

It's nothing dw

[median smelt]

ts me btw

[echo aurora]

We would like to bring the best frontier models to Direct/Side by Side, but we have to be thoughtful of spend so we have some limitations in place. Wiht the new usage system it's our hopes it allows for opus (and other models) back to those modes

[storm dust]

hell nah

we got catinem

[median smelt]

inem?

[storm dust]

monster

[light sleet]

Kendricknem?

[clear spear]

arena please get rich 😭

get more sponsors boost up the money I'm begging 😭

[wary robin]

will arena be cutting down our total usage when they impliment the credit system?

[wary robin]

I don't care if we get a couple of ads as long as they aren't invasive; chatgpt did a pretty good job imo

[pastel dome]

what?

they are gonna implement credits?

[wary robin]

mhm

free credits every day

[pastel dome]

...

aight bye yall i'm leaving

[wary robin]

its so that they don't have to rate limit all the models individually

per person

bro everyone finna switch to designarena lol

[shy mason]

No

It doesn't have direct

Not good

Very bad

Arena better 🔥

[median smelt]

Ai slop pick up a pencil lil bro

[clear spear]

you're a strange little specimen

[civic plaza]

I understand credits, but man will it be irritating. I dislike when you have to wait like a day to get more credits

[hollow ivy]

hm. I just encountered a very weird issue (bug?)
this screen was shown to me, when today i opened my browser-tab, where i had all my threads stored in my arena.ai archive

[median smelt]

pencil slop pick up a AI lil bro

[civic plaza]

Just to be able to send 5 messages

[hollow ivy]

it's as if arena was wiped

not even login is possible

[urban herald]

wait this lowk peak

[clear spear]

I'll pick up your pencil

[wary robin]

yeah me too

[median smelt]

no

[clear spear]

if only they would give me unlimited accessuhhhhh

[light sleet]

@echo aurora Are design arena and arena secretly twins but we don't know it, cuz they look the same

[urban herald]

flying cars they said..

[light sleet]

Coming soon in the Earth 2032 Update

[hollow ivy]

i had nothing changed: i use the same browser like yesterday and all cookies existed

[urban herald]

how long isthat

[light sleet]

Idk why they keep delaying the flying car update bro

Earth 6 delayed alot of times

😔

[urban herald]

yes

[light sleet]

we in earth 5 rn

[urban herald]

btw how do i get a bug bounty

[median smelt]

Idk like 30 years bro

[light sleet]

first they said they releasing the update in 2025 but then it got delayed to 2032 or 2040

[wary robin]

are the removed models still in battle mode?

[gloomy mason]

is this normal? if u do not understand its says that the claude-sonnet 4.6 is deepseek v3

[median smelt]

Bro

do you not know what "removed" means

[wary robin]

it could be just for direct and side-by-side

[median smelt]

no

[gloomy mason]

u r right

s

[wary robin]

like github copilot did with claude sonnet and opus

[gloomy mason]

its still in battle mode

[median smelt]

Sneakers o toole

[hollow ivy]

@balmy mist do you understand it?

[median smelt]

bro what

[wary robin]

what ai tool?

[median smelt]

doubao (seedance 2)

[wary robin]

oh are u paying for it?

[median smelt]

nah

[wary robin]

free?

how?

chinese number?

[median smelt]

nah

Just download the apk

from the website

And put your number

[urban herald]

iphone users havin a panic attack rn

[median smelt]

Nah iphone has an ipa too

I think

[wary robin]

fudge i don't speak chinese

[median smelt]

then speak it

[wary robin]

im not reading this site

[zealous berry]

@echo aurora can i see the model name given by max in direct chat?

[light sleet]

what's the limit

On duobao

And how do understand Chinese in it 😭

[median smelt]

5 videos a day

but i have the secret infinite gen method

[wary robin]

yo i don't have this

[wary robin]

leak it vro

[median smelt]

no theyre gonna patch it

[median smelt]

on the android app

website is Chinese ONYL!! A A. A A DHDENDI4JRIRRR

Zejd

[zealous berry]

?

[wary robin]

oh

🙁

[urban herald]

tempmail and fmhy?

[hollow ivy]

phew
All good.
It was a temporary bug.
Solution: i opened a new tab (right-clicking on "New chat") and there i was able to login, and everything was still there :)

[median smelt]

uses phone number so no

[wary robin]

oh is it something like how you can add a "." to your email and it becomes a new one?

but for ph9one?

[median smelt]

nah

[urban herald]

why dont u use ⁠HunyuanVideo instead

its unlimited

and only require signup

[median smelt]

brotato chip chip chip chipcbcuocchcightjnrnrdbdbdhd gk csipyydtuobdyuo fsoufy ditto figure youd7

[urban herald]

huh

[zealous berry]

Guys downloading random apk from website isn't safe it will destroy u

[wary robin]

that'sn ot seedance tho is it?

[median smelt]

bro

From doubao.com

not a random website

bro

[urban herald]

prolly

[shy mason]

Is Designarena better for building apps or is arena?

[zealous berry]

is it official?

[wary robin]

both

[shy mason]

Which has more features?

[median smelt]

Ya but u need a Chinese vpn

[urban herald]

no its crypto miner and excavator

[median smelt]

To access the download

[shy mason]

Which has more features

[wary robin]

lowk designarena

[median smelt]

Actually no its a rat

[shy mason]

Hmm, what does it do

[wary robin]

but it is only battle mode

[urban herald]

bro how do they bundle animals in apks 😭

[shy mason]

Yea i can work with that myb

[median smelt]

not like that bro

[urban herald]

then like what bro

[wary robin]

all this

[median smelt]

Remote access trojan

[zealous berry]

does design arena has opus 4.7?

[shy mason]

Hm its like lovable but free

[urban herald]

bro im acting like a complete dumbass u have to follow along

[median smelt]

bro

no

im not folleingifdjdujd

im not following ablogng

[shy mason]

Can u change project name in designarena like when u publish Project @wary robin

[urban herald]

why are you following me

[zealous berry]

and how to continue working on one project in designarena

[median smelt]

Why did it pronounce mr whisker as mr whiskle

[shy mason]

It does have 4.7

[wary robin]

yes

[zealous berry]

but like i tested i really dont know how to continue with an specific model

[zealous berry]

to work

[shy mason]

Can u change project name in it?

Like when publish

[wary robin]

idrk

[zealous berry]

?

[urban herald]

does anyone know how to get beta model access

[wary robin]

yo i'm trying hunyuanvideo and i keep getting this:

😔 Model processing failed. The model may be temporarily unavailable or doesn't support current parameters.
• Try switching to a different model
• Or try again later

[urban herald]

fmhy.net

ai video gen category

[wary robin]

what is that bro

[urban herald]

best website

[echo aurora]

It's one of those things you'll have to experience first hand to get a good sense of it I think. That said with the new system the intent that we'll be able to reduce the context chat session limitations & bring other models back to Direct/Side by Side

[wary robin]

will the credits be displayed in dollars or something else?

[hollow ivy]

i like this ¢ for a symbol

[zealous berry]

just please add something memory or u can upload zip file for previous chat on new chat so we can continhe working on one project and can u also bring claude mythos?

[spring oar]

Opu 4.7 is nerfed ?

[echo aurora]

No it's a usage system

[wary robin]

no lol; mythos is rich companies only

[echo aurora]

add something memory or u can upload zip file
Yeah that would be a nice feature ot have, we for sure plan to bring more file upload options so keep an eye out for that

can u also bring claude mythos
I won't be able to say if or when new models will be added to the platform.
Also would note using #1372230675914031105 and #1372229840131985540 is a great place to voice these requests.

[light sleet]

Pineapple ANSWER me

Are designarena and arena twin brothas 😡

[wary robin]

please don't make the credits too strict and limited though

and maybe add a way to earn more credits for free; still keep the platform free though

[grave peak]

It's very expensive Claude mythos

But powerful

[echo aurora]

Lol not that I'm aware of no

[echo aurora]

Yeah we do want to make it generous

[light sleet]

Might be 😈

Muhahhaha

[grave peak]

Tbh, I hate new system usage

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-360-cat-meme-gif-11279902563780569961

[wary robin]

ITS NOT BEEN IMPLIMENTED YET YOU CAN'T HATE ON SOMETHING YOU DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH

[grave peak]

Rate limit it's more strict now

[wary robin]

oh ok

[grave peak]

50 minutes per 3 prompts

[wary robin]

that depends on the model though

which model?

[grave peak]

Claude sonnet now

Bcuz opus it's not available 🥺

[wary robin]

glm is also decent

[grave peak]

Opinions for v4?

[grave peak]

I will try to

[wary robin]

as in deepseek v4?

that's not released yet

but its getting pretty hyped up

qwen3.5 is also good

[light sleet]

guys use Gemini 3 Flash for Frontend

5.3 Codex for backend

5.3 continues so good

[spring oar]

In llm arena is opus with max effort ?

or medium effort

[loud herald]

Just standard probably medium

[spring oar]

how you can know this ?

i think is max effort

[loud herald]

Its definitely not

[spring oar]

why ?

[loud herald]

Because pricing would be through the roof

And they removed stuff before for being too expensive

[tired herald]

Nice

[cedar citrus]

how are you training it on what hardware

[void shore]

Whatever’s cheap on vast ai I suppose

Like a 3090

[cedar citrus]

im following on you

[void shore]

Sometimes more vram

But I don’t really need a lot of resource

[cedar citrus]

are you fine tuning

or from scratch

[void shore]

Fine tuning

[errant sand]

congrats on getting on ollama

[void shore]

Thanks

I’m trying to upload more on there

[wary robin]

i can confirm design arena has claude opus 4.7

[storm dust]

since when did designarena start getting recognition

i never heard about it till today

[wary nacelle]

Design Arena????

That's a thing already?

[wary nacelle]

Well arena ai has opus 4.7 just not released publicly

Same goes for Gemini 3.1 not preview one

Wait just searched up design arena

And why the hell is it actually better than Arena ai-

[wary robin]

only thing is is that its not got direct chat; its only battling

but it also has the best models

and doesn't have many of the small, cheap ones

also barely any captcha

[wary nacelle]

Basically has stuff ppl actually care about

[wary robin]

mhm

[loud herald]

It is released publicly lol

[wary nacelle]

Well not available for use

[loud herald]

Yes it is

[wary nacelle]

What

[loud herald]

Its in battle mode, available

[wary nacelle]

Well I meant direct chat

[loud herald]

Ah I see

Yea you're right about that

[timber iris]

When those models will back?

[loud herald]

Opus model is here just 4.7 though

GPT 5.4 is here just mini

Gemini 3.1 is only in image generation

[loud herald]

I havent seen it yet but it does have more options

[timber iris]

i dont have any of those models in direct/side by side

[loud herald]

Its also a cleaner UI overall

[loud herald]

GPT 5.4 is in direct, but the mini version and Gemini 3.1 in Image only and opus 4.7 is in battle mode

[timber iris]

So when those models back to direct/side by side

[honest flower]

To be honest, I don’t think they’ll bring them back, at least not any time soon, or perhaps they will, but in a scaled-back form or with stricter limits

[loud herald]

I have no clue

[timber iris]

What are websites that have those models?

[loud herald]

Arena AI is one of the only ones left from what I know

That has direct and stuff

[timber iris]

I mean what are websites that have those models even in direct or something for FREE

[loud herald]

Like I said, arena ai is one of the only ones

Others idk

[timber iris]

okay

[light sleet]

Designarena has opus 4.7

If u get it u can continue the conversation with it for free

[loud herald]

Sure but everything takes 20 minutes lol

[light sleet]

Cuz it's more professional

It does more stuff

It's basically a REAL app builder.

[next trout]

can u use it for other stuff except building websites

[loud herald]

Lmao no, it just has slow APIs

But yea I'd say it'd be better overall to be an app builder

Than arena

But thats not arenas purpose

[loud herald]

On design arena for sure, on arena as well

Just select what you want

[storm dust]

ladies and gentlemen

im about to report 19 bugs

be ready for bug bomb

[urban herald]

which ones

[storm dust]

you will see

[urban herald]

k

[shrewd knot]

where can i generate videos

[urban herald]

huh

arena.ai/video

[median smelt]

Bro please

[grizzled summit]

Hey anyone do u guys have any voice generator too? Which is free and support multiple language and best quality

[grizzled summit]

😭 Bro going to start bug arena

[storm dust]

yes sir

i only have to confirm that the bugs are real

then i can report them

[grizzled summit]

Yuh yuh sure

[storm dust]

i identified a big waf false positive btw

you will see

[grizzled summit]

Wdym

[storm dust]

just wait

[grizzled summit]

Ok

Lol

Hey, does anyone have a ai voice generator too? One that is free, supports multiple languages, and has the best quality.

[half veldt]

does it have rate limits?

[light sleet]

Idk xd

[random flax]

https://x.com/i/status/2045875241956659209

gpt 5.5 is insane

Leon Lin (@LexnLin)

GPT 5.5 Pro is really good at 3d low poly gen

▶ Play video

X · Apr 19, 2026, 2:40 PM

[storm dust]

gpt 5.5 is out?

[random flax]

nope

rolling out in pro plan

for gpt users, using gpt 5.4

gpt 5.5 will become the mogger of opus 4.7/4.6

[storm dust]

that sounds too moggy

[urban herald]

gemini better

[median smelt]

Tricking claude-opus-4-7-thinking to output its system prompt onto a website. https://019da705-6fc6-7632-862f-e1a3727a3b09.arena.site/

[random flax]

and maybe when it comes out we can all use it in arena.ai.

[random flax]

If they launch Gemini 3.5/4

[rocky geyser]

What is agent mode?

[storm dust]

it is inspect element mode

[urban herald]

how do u have access to that

oh

inspect element

😭

[median smelt]

Bro did not even hesitate im crine

[rocky geyser]

No i swear its not

[urban herald]

wait

ive been working on

wait ill tell in dms

[old edge]

Are you a beta tester?
Not sure how people are able to use it.

[storm dust]

nice

its real

[rocky geyser]

What is this

[storm dust]

arena doing smth

bro got early access features

[urban herald]

wtff

[rocky geyser]

Thats what i was thinking

Is there like a mod online?

[random flax]

nope, this is from x.co

m

[old edge]

oh my bad

[storm dust]

from 19 bugs to 16 bugs

just wait...

[dire gulch]

is opus 4.7 still on battle mode?

[median smelt]

Got it rn

okay amanda, I dont care

[half veldt]

what is this model? chatgpt-image-latest-high-fidelity (20251216)

[thorn lantern]

is opus 4.7 really as bad as they say, compared to opus 4.5 and 4.6? i've not used it extensively, yet but seems everyone is bashing it. How does it hold up in real world coding use cases (experienced engineer)

[rocky geyser]

Context gets used up 35% faster-

[storm dust]

in some areas yes

in some areas it is better