general

[spring oar]

someone have advice i can't work opus 4.6 is nerfed in claude web

[tame mason]

What do you use 4.6 for?

[mystic sluice]

what's yall opinion on muse spark? is it good at coding?

[spring oar]

learning with pdf

i want good model with powerfull context understanding

[tame mason]

Gemini 3.1 Pro or DeepSeek-R1 is top tier

I recommend these

Although Gemini is gone and im not sure if deepseek r1 is in it

[spring oar]

opus 4.6 is better

but is nerf

[tame mason]

Its good but not good enough to make you shocked

[limpid pewter]

Claude 4.6 programs very poorly compared to mimo_v2_pro.

[tame mason]

Claude opus 4.6 can catch tiny details while mimo focuses on more useful ones

[tame mason]

But id say theyre pretty equal

[tame mason]

Lmarena makes claude 4.6 bad abit

Cuts tokens down

[limpid pewter]

Yeah, but Claude is a bit weak when it comes to that.

[light sleet]

Hi yall

[tame mason]

Yo

[spring oar]

what you mean claude is on the top in llm arena

[tame mason]

Every ai is nerfed in claude

Lmarena makes it nerfed

It cuts the tokens down

So the stats you see aren't with in lmarena

They're within the actual apps

For example the website might nerf tokens, which makes ais start trying to "save" them

But idk about the rest

[undone saffron]

#general message

[limpid pewter]

@quick jackal

[wary nacelle]

That makes sense....

[ocean venture]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowmeat-ishowspeed-apology-deeplysorry-gif-5703499180798743330

[light siren]

<@&1349916362595635286> git em

[wary nacelle]

@light siren

[light siren]

hi

[wary nacelle]

What do u think is this possible?

[wary nacelle]

Ah yes hi

[light siren]

wat is that

is that ur enhancing thing

[wary nacelle]

No

[undone saffron]

You both work together?

[light siren]

yes

[undone saffron]

Nice

[wary nacelle]

Yes but he is better at logical coding and stuff

Aka backend

But I am good at frontend

[light siren]

I mainly do backend he mainly does frontend

:D.

[wary nacelle]

And yet enhance prompt backend is made by me-

[light siren]

thats why i said mainly

[wary nacelle]

A

Whatever

Guy is saying some latex or whatever markdown

Is annoying

And add option to disable it

You would understand better what he is talking sbout

[wary nacelle]

Go ahead tell him about ur problem

[light siren]

oh yea the user markdown

I planned to actually remove it

[wary nacelle]

Wait he meant user markdown?

[light siren]

pretty sure

since those have auto markdown stuff I think they're called latex

[wary nacelle]

Sooo it's possible

[light siren]

maybe

havent tried

[wary nacelle]

Literally get user prompt and convert html tags to text

[light siren]

not as easy lmao

[wary nacelle]

Okay even easier method

Literally copy user message

And replace whole user promot

With it

The copy button thing

[light siren]

if it were that easy the bottom copy option would have been able to copy lists

[undone saffron]

You can resend the same message without rewrite it
You can use it's own js
(in case you're using manisfest v2)

[wary nacelle]

Wait what

[light siren]

yes

[wary nacelle]

It can't?

[undone saffron]

It's a common problem
All you have to do is ask the AI to give you a very complex regex

[light siren]

if u type
1.
2.
3.
It wont copy that

feel free to like improve it or smthn

[wary nacelle]

Only bottom copy button or copy button at all?

[light siren]

only bottom copy button

[wary nacelle]

Dude why did you recreate copy button when u can just move original to the desired place

[light siren]

i cant thats the thing

I kept trying

[wary nacelle]

Or

Getting button Id or whatever the hell js looks for

And making recreated button work as the original one

Using that id

[light siren]

pretty sure I've tried it

u can try those tho I dont think they work well

[wary nacelle]

Then how tf it even works

[light siren]

idk

[wary nacelle]

Oh

I get it

React js creates html tags locally

Aka inside js not html

And that way it doesn't need id to detect clicks

Modification of js file won't work cuz it's react it's obfuscated....

[undone saffron]

Resend the same request
Remember that failed messages are logged, and the IA can use the token from that failed message
Therefore, if you simply copy the message and resend it, you would be wasting tokens
It’s best to resend the same request so that it is sent to the same log level instead of creating a new duplicate message log entry
Example: #general message

[wary nacelle]

Looks like gotta recreate custom copy button properly

[wary nacelle]

Yeah I saw that bug

[light siren]

it's not a request it's a frontend function

[wary nacelle]

Idk how it happens

Usually in used chats

Lowkey prompt bar decides sometimes right is left and left is right

Whatever I do

Idk how to fix

But it's not that annoying ig?

[light siren]

nvm I remember now, I fixed it already

[wary nacelle]

A

Good job

So tmrw I have to....

Make reverse markdown

[undone saffron]

You're wrong about that
I used to think so, but both of them (fronted/backend) are to blame

[light siren]

what, copying messages

?

those are frontend run using js

[undone saffron]

You didn't understand me x)

[light siren]

wdym

[undone saffron]

You're saying that if the message gets stuck (endless generating), you just copy it and send it again, right?

[light siren]

what, when

no??

it was never mentioned in our convo

[undone saffron]

Astware said something like that

[light siren]

if it's endless generating we have a button to unlock the chat so you can send another message

[undone saffron]

#general message

[light siren]

does this answer

why he said it

[subtle siren]

guys is there a way to make video generation longer like to make videos that are 30 secs not 4-5

[undone saffron]

That's when I step in and say this: #general message

You'll see something like this:

You: Hi
IA: <endless generating>
You: Hi
IA: <message>

If you refresh the page, you'll see this

[undone saffron]

To avoid wasting tokens, forward the request instead of resending the message

[undone geyser]

hey guys sup? question, any news of gpt image 2?

[light siren]

whats wrong with that

[light siren]

forward the request?

how am i meant to do that

[undone saffron]

Manifest v2 -> Rewrite the JS file and modify its logic
I did it on another site to have unlimited messages with an uncensored AI
This one isn't much different and is just as easy
Obviously, I'm not going to tell you how, but if you know how to program an extension, you'll be able to do it

[wary nacelle]

Look

U probably don't know

But

React js

And then on top of react js

Next JS

Which lmarena uses

Has code splitting

And

Code obfuscation

And a compiler for next js code to vanilla js code

Basically

Making

Modifications of js files in frontend

Impossible

We can only modify html and add our own js injections

[wary nacelle]

Fricking auto correct

[wary nacelle]

Second of all

Manifest v2 is depreciated

Here's more details about manifest v2

[undone saffron]

Yeah, it's a real struggle when the code looks like that, but I managed to do it
Luckily, I only had to edit two files on that page, but it was spaghetti code and a bunch of other messes

[undone saffron]

It's possible, believe me
But it will take many days to understand the code, review the list of processes for each JS file, and then figure out what to edit

[undone saffron]

So?
I built my extension using manifest v2 because there aren't many things you can do with manifest v3

[wary nacelle]

isn't react js always generating a new code in build time-

[wary nacelle]

How the hell does manifest v2 even work for u-

[undone saffron]

And you can set up a system to detect changes and edit them

[undone saffron]

Brave supports manifest v2, for google, you'll need to make a few adjustments for the extension to work

[cedar citrus]

what site did you do like venice or smt

[wary nacelle]

LMArena?

I don't think thats possible still

[undone saffron]

An intelligent AI that I can't mention

[cedar citrus]

its weird

if you cant mention the ai how come you prove you did it

[undone saffron]

It really is, trust me
When I have enough time, I'll do it and show you how it works

[wary nacelle]

Ok I will wait

It will be a massive security vulnerability breakthrough for next js developers aka vercel

If it is actually possible

I kinda don't care about kimi-

[normal abyss]

yeah what even is kimi's selling point???

[undone saffron]

A screenshot showing a bit of reverse engineering

[normal abyss]

they must be the best at something?

[light siren]

there isnt one

[normal abyss]

open source?

[cedar citrus]

why is my name there

[light sleet]

😭

[undone saffron]

To censor part of the domain name x)

[light siren]

idk

[wary nacelle]

Wait... How tf did u-

[normal abyss]

even models like everything mistral makes, i never get the reason people use them, when their are very similar priced alternatives that perform so much better

[cedar citrus]

it has to be a free ai website with usage limits but lets anonymous users use it

[light siren]

probably wanna be involved

[cedar citrus]

maybe your rotating session cookies

[normal abyss]

i mostly judge an AI model on its core limits to price. Thats also why i hate GPT.

[wary nacelle]

@light siren this guy might be able to help us fix even more issues if he can actually reverse engineer jsx of react

[undone saffron]

So I reverse-engineered it to get unlimited messages, because once you use up your quota of 10000 tokens, they ask you to pay

[undone saffron]

Guy
Nice

[cedar citrus]

but isnt it in the backend

[light siren]

hire him idk

[light sleet]

It's a she

[light siren]

her

what

[wary nacelle]

I can't type your name on mobile

[light siren]

she!?!?

[wary nacelle]

It's a symbol

[light sleet]

yes

look at her pronouns

[light siren]

a girl capable of reversing jsx!?!??!?!?

[cedar citrus]

because like it has to be a horrible coded vibecoded slop site because i dont think they are adding the usage limit to the frontend

[undone saffron]

Yes and no
They have vulnerabilities that haven't been fixed

[wary nacelle]

Did u forget dragon

[light siren]

okay shush

she's different-

[wary nacelle]

This user might be her relative

[undone saffron]

It's an excellent AI, 100 times better than Venice, and it has a user friendly interface

[wary nacelle]

Did u forget that we yes WE are broke

[cedar citrus]

could you please tell what tools did you use to make it

just the tool

[undone saffron]

vs code x)

[cedar citrus]

fair enough

[undone saffron]

And only JS Vanilla

[light siren]

hire them for 0$

[wary nacelle]

Good idea

[light siren]

wat else can we even do

[wary nacelle]

Likkeeee

[undone saffron]

🤔❓

[wary nacelle]

Make custom arenas

Like hells kitchen arena

Or idk

[cedar citrus]

prob not but claude narrowed it down to these but if its horrible coded then its prob not Narrowed down candidates:

Poe — has token limits, strong models, Next.js
Mistral Le Chat — free tier with limits
Groq — free tier, fast, good UI
Chutes.ai or similar API wrapper sites

but i dont think is it

[light siren]

its this female friend we have dw about it

[cedar citrus]

what does dw mean

[light sleet]

Dallas Wonder

[wary nacelle]

A-

Can't send friend request

[cedar citrus]

let me change my pf

[light sleet]

Dw is Death Wish

[light siren]

what vince said

[wary nacelle]

DeadWalker

[light sleet]

Walking Dead

[cedar citrus]

guys

i changed my PF

[light sleet]

dw is hotel

[undone saffron]

@wary nacelle
I would fix the endless generating issue so that the same request is resubmitted without creating duplicate messages
But right now I'm working on a terrible vulnerability I discovered on *** a few hours ago

[wary nacelle]

What

Nah she is definitely dragon undercover

[light siren]

could definitely use her

[undone saffron]

You've got me curious 🤔

[cedar citrus]

invoking spicy fried chicken to ban the guy

[wary nacelle]

*partnership

[wary nacelle]

Uhhh I can't send u friend request to make a group chat

[cedar citrus]

@undone saffron are you a cybersecurity person or like just a bug hunter or smt

[wary nacelle]

Isnt that obvious

[undone saffron]

@‌Moderator involves him

[cedar citrus]

bro idk

[echo aurora]

(thanks for flag)

[light siren]

hi pineapple

i was definitely not talking about slavery

@wary nacelle I made ur raw message thing

it works

now imm watch youtube or smthn

[cedar citrus]

bruh im bored

[undone saffron]

Just someone who knows how to use a computer for entertainment and personal use
In addition to working on a high level project for myself
That's why I use arena
So I don't have to write 10 billion lines of code instead of writing them myself
From 4 years to 4 months

[cedar citrus]

okay

my new guess

with claudes help

My new best guess is some mid-sized AI wrapper site that pays for API access to a premium model and offers a free tier. Something like Merlin, Typing Mind, or a similar lesser-known platform.

[light siren]

wanna work for us

u will not be paid

[cedar citrus]

1800 colonial brazil

[undone saffron]

Use?
I see

[light siren]

yes

we wish to use you

[undone saffron]

For that, use arena instead

[wary nacelle]

That's not how u ask for help from ppl 😭

[light siren]

oh

how do u ask then

[wary nacelle]

A

Well stop treating them as a tool?

[cedar citrus]

@undone saffron im just asking one thing: what ai model does the hacked website use

[cedar citrus]

just that

[wary nacelle]

As step 1

[wary nacelle]

Whatever

Do what u want

Just get him to group chat or idk

[light siren]

her*

how dare you misgender her

[wary nacelle]

Dkfjfjdndjd

[light siren]

@undone saffron I'm soo sorry for my friend's behavior!!

[light siren]

please help us with our extension!!

[wary nacelle]

That's more like it

[light siren]

I did not know that extension existed

I mean

what am i saying

that model

I did not know that model existed

[wary nacelle]

I did

[light siren]

ahem.
May you please help us?

[wary nacelle]

But idk why it exists

[light siren]

lets remove it fr

[wary nacelle]

By that logic we would only leave latest gpt, Claude and Gemini model-

[light siren]

real

[cedar citrus]

ts chat so boring

[undone saffron]

An AI built from scratch with constantly updated information
One that doesn't use any existing models and is private (with the exception of free access to certain messages)

[undone saffron]

I'm so busy for now
But if you're looking for something exciting, here's another fact: #general message

[vernal raft]

i would love to have opus back here just to test it with api, since with the sub on claude.ai seems like brainwashed

[light siren]

i dont know how that helps me

[undone saffron]

Aren't you excited to hear that there's a way to send as much text as you want in a single message?

[cedar citrus]

yes

[undone saffron]

Davi is an exemplary person

[modern lily]

Will they come back in the end?

[cedar citrus]

wow you got my name right

[vernal raft]

we dont know

[undone saffron]

They will reintroduce it in the future once the arena's finances become stable and a daily usage limit has been established

[modern lily]

I hope it will be soon 🙏

[cedar citrus]

welp

the conversation is dead now

[undone saffron]

@light siren@wary nacelle
By the way, it would be a good idea for you to talk to pineaple and show him the solutions you have on the website
Maybe that way they can fix a lot of the bugs and issues that exist, and maybe you’ll end up working as arena dev

[wary nacelle]

If LMArena actually had income based on users that would happen

Not based on training companies ais using users

But let's see

[undone saffron]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wary nacelle]

@light siren what do u think

[wicked talon]

I'm gonna main meta spark for a day bruh

The hype ain't true

[wary nacelle]

What the hell is meta spark

[wicked talon]

Meta muse spark

[light siren]

already did

they dont wanna work with us

[wary nacelle]

Obviously wouldn't

They are a big company

[undone saffron]

#general message
#general message

[wary nacelle]

They have different departments and they can't just hire ppl cuz they like them

[cedar citrus]

when is meta releasing the api

[undone saffron]

Nice

[wicked talon]

I'm using the actual app

[wary nacelle]

Still kinda don't know it

[wicked talon]

But it seems like a copy of Gemini

App

[undone saffron]

But worst

[wicked talon]

Basically a copy

Just more basic

[wary nacelle]

What y'all expected from Greedy Facebook owning company that literally uses credit cards for account verifications

And sells data

[wicked talon]

It doesn't sell direct data lol

It has the same business model as Google

It keeps your data and uses it to send ads.

[undone saffron]

Only that?
Are you sure?

[wary nacelle]

How do I send u friend request

Discord doesn't let me

[wicked talon]

Because your data is more valuable to They're advertisement part of the company then selling it

[undone saffron]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wicked talon]

Probably used it for their ai models to

I'm surprised Google can't make a really good ai with the amount of user data they have

And general data all together

They probably hiding something

[wary nacelle]

They did tho

[wicked talon]

I would say Google is the most known company worldwide

[wary nacelle]

But only for design

[wicked talon]

Like better then mythos

[wary nacelle]

Not coding

[wicked talon]

Anthropic probably has less data then Google to train on

[cedar citrus]

yet they are still the goat

[wicked talon]

I don't think Google is trying

[wary nacelle]

Yes Claude codes better than any ai

[cedar citrus]

prob

[wicked talon]

Because they need to save costs

[wary nacelle]

But it's not peak at design like Gemini yet

[wicked talon]

Mostly yes

I main deepseek for daily usage but it is terrible at coding

[wary nacelle]

GPT - Thinking, Gemini - design, Claude - code

Simple

[wicked talon]

I've never been a fan of meta

[wary nacelle]

Also Gemini has good skills of my native language

Probably cuz of data they have

[wicked talon]

Gemini is a all in one ai

[wary nacelle]

But never let it code

[wicked talon]

It's meant to be able to code, help users daily questions, do tasks for users all in 1 model

[wicked talon]

I do let it code

[light siren]

hows that nice

[wicked talon]

It literally rooted my phone for me

Like how crazy is that

[light siren]

no chance

[wary nacelle]

I do too but later I spend 9 hours fixing other stuff while just making a popup loading design

[undone saffron]

Sorry, I didn't see the “don't”

[wicked talon]

Just give it the errors you see and it should fix it

[wary nacelle]

Well who said it writes good code

[wicked talon]

Me

It's just lazy

[wary nacelle]

Well too bad Claude writes better

[wicked talon]

It can do good UI

But very bad like lists etc

[wary nacelle]

Make Claude do UI like Gemini and Gemini is cooked

[mystic solstice]

can i buy tokens for my arena?

[wicked talon]

Hmm I might put it to the test

Unfortunately I can only use sonnet cuz I ain't paying £20 a month for LIMITED ai

[wary nacelle]

How exactly

[wicked talon]

Just give it random prompts to make html files and see which one does better

Like who has less errors

And who can follow the prompt best

[wary nacelle]

Errors is not the point here

[wicked talon]

It literally is

[wary nacelle]

It may have no errors but when other dude tries to modify smth whole thing breaks

Just bcuz Gemini got lazy

[wicked talon]

That's just called not understanding the code

[wary nacelle]

Depends on situation

[wicked talon]

If you use Gemini pro it ain't too lazy

Gemini flash is really lazy

[wary nacelle]

Like changing idk popup name shouldn't break everything else

[light sleet]

The only fix to infinite generation is

Start a new Chat (Use slow model so it doesn't respond fast),

Then, switch to the chat that had the infinite generating bug, and it will show the square button if it wasn't there because of infinite generation.

[light sleet]

This works btw

[wicked talon]

Hmm I'll put this to the test too

[wary nacelle]

It was the minor example

Obviously Gemini wouldn't do smth that obvious

Just I use complex frameworks

Like when saying make this website have localization

With translations

And specifically tell it before some prompts that there is translations . Json file

It might put a sneaky another translations array in the code

When fixing smth

To show that it works

But it shouldn't work THAT way

[wicked talon]

Ohh

I'm just testing meta AI rn

On html code

[wary nacelle]

K

[wicked talon]

Why does it make websites

Lmao

Like what I mean is you can preview it in a website URL

That they made

[vale quest]

I escaped by exploiting a bug in the javascript and got the square back

Just kidding I probably did the same method

[wicked talon]

Venice is unfiltered ain't it?

[undone saffron]

Yes

But 0 smart

[wicked talon]

Lol

[wicked talon]

True

[undone saffron]

The one that I use is very smart and fast

@pine veldt

yo i cant log in
Clear your browser data and try again

[pine veldt]

now working dont worry : )

[dark valve]

what ai do you use?

[light siren]

this is sad

[vernal raft]

glm 5.1 got the same problem 5 had

after a while it starts to hallucinate and get lost over the text

muse spark is much better

[wicked talon]

Lmao Claude L

[still musk]

OH MY GOD

[obsidian cargo]

Yeah really looking forward to it fully dropping, it was in arena as a stealth model last week

[still musk]

I did this on ChatGPT 1.5

[undone saffron]

#ai-creations

[slim gorge]

no way this is real right?

[still musk]

Okay

[still musk]

Imagine what will happen in 2030

I imagine in 2030 we don't know what will happen with images, like deepfakes, AI videos, etc. You'll say "It's too AI," we won't understand anything anymore

[placid wyvern]

found a similar site after 4 days, https://beta.ish.chat

[wicked talon]

Meta ai is very bad bruh it's so censored

[chrome goblet]

I still need Gemini 3.1!

[chrome goblet]

Not that!

ask the people!

that's a downgrade

[shrewd citrus]

damn that looks insane actually

especially the YouTube one I can’t tell if it’s ai generated or actually a screenshot

[fossil socket]

Ngl that opus 4.6 feels the most limiting ever

[golden ocean]

claude

[atomic lagoon]

Its the same model just optimized to be quicker

[vivid sandal]

Does anyone know how much token limits/chat Arena has right now?

[atomic lagoon]

No clue

[echo aurora]

Yeah sorry to say there isn't good tracking setup for that atm, we are in the progress of building one though

[chrome goblet]

Bruh

[elder solar]

Why is gemini more censored now??

[elder solar]

It used to be uncensored on ai studio site

Now it will censor anything

As if it got more sensible

[undone saffron]

@flat prairie
Why would you want to do that?

[atomic lagoon]

You're asking a question that isnt related to the site

Nobody here will know, likely

[golden ocean]

chat is it normal to have internal organs?

[elder solar]

Idk, you feel comfortable with pink brain?

[mystic raft]

did you try with a vpn?

[paper cove]

Why were the Gemini 3.1 preview and claude opus removed, and will they be added back?

[toxic verge]

Guys

[golden ocean]

real

[undone saffron]

I wonder why you have the icon of new in this server

[toxic verge]

It’s kind of weird that people who study knowledge don’t talk much about stupidity. You would think they would, because stupidity is about not knowing things or getting things wrong. If their job is to explain what it means to know something, then they should also look at what happens when knowing fails.

[toxic verge]

I can’t see it on my end

[toxic verge]

🤷‍♀️

Ask ur ai these questions.

Do you have a good sense or good judgement?

Do you understand the possible harmful consequences of your actions?

Do you feel any fear because of you don’t realize the consequences?

Do you have any clear goals or actions ?

Bet I bet you you can’t even define stupid

The problem is, it’s not that simple. Knowing something might follow a clear set of rules, but getting things wrong can happen in many different ways. People can be wrong because they are missing information, because they made a mistake, because they believe something false, or because their thinking is biased or confused.

So the main idea is that stupidity isn’t just one simple thing. It’s a mix of many different ways that thinking and knowing can go wrong, and that makes it harder to study than just studying knowledge itself.

https://www.academia.edu/31100489/THE_EPISTEMOLOGY_OF_STUPIDITY

[toxic verge]

No I just copied that from a paper

lol

The paper about stupidity actually

[sly cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-baby-ai-baby-meme-relatable-relatable-memes-funny-gif-13076930306350924796

[wary nacelle]

Whar

[toxic verge]

Yeah, that’s why I copied it from lol

[sly cedar]

While challenging, NPD can be treated through long-term psychotherapy, specifically talk therapy designed to help the individual understand their emotions and behaviors.

[toxic verge]

I was reading about Yann Lacun and what he said about Claude Mythos

[sly cedar]

He reads "Yuno Ball"

[toxic verge]

And then I got me thinking about stupidity and

[sly cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/hiromi-higuruma-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-son-higuruma-gif-9036947203690306241

[atomic lagoon]

GLM 5.1 Free unlimited no limits is absolutely mastery

Twitter is the best thing to ever happen LMAO

[toxic verge]

It’s just an interesting subject, stupidity itself

And then I came across that paper 🤣

[atomic lagoon]

Well its bound to happen if people use AI more and more ykwim

[sly cedar]

True but era goes on

[atomic lagoon]

But its also

Literally just fear monger

[sly cedar]

He knows some ball

[toxic verge]

Well, that’s why I brought up that paper and ask the questions I asked

It’s funny too that he said stupid that it’s stupid to ask that and he’s correct

[sly cedar]

More dangerous than the hub

[toxic verge]

I just didn’t wanna say anything yet, but you got some clown out ruined the set up

🙁

[sly cedar]

Imagine losing thinking mode

[atomic lagoon]

If anything

AI should increase thinking skills

[toxic verge]

Yeah

Well, that makes me wonder if it’s not intelligent then what is it?

The only thing that comes to mind is stupidity

[atomic lagoon]

Its teaching to be better if you pay attention

[toxic verge]

Well, that’s what this paper is kind of saying about the knowledge itself

[sly cedar]

Then it will be a study material instead of generation

[gray isle]

they're not going to use AI if they don't have low literacy lol

[atomic lagoon]

Indeed, because its the opposite of intelligence

[atomic lagoon]

The point of AI is to assist or do the work you ask it to do, which means you to begin with should already have the idea

[atomic lagoon]

I believe that non creative people cant use AI for good

But they can learn from AI

Create other ideas

[sly cedar]

I mean generation means that instead we ask complete solution, why not study the solution?

[atomic lagoon]

Wdym by that though?

[sly cedar]

Basically generation means that we don't discover anything but trust

[gray isle]

that can be true, but AI did something that makes me understand some stuff a lot more than school ever did

it's just learning material to me

[toxic verge]

That’s not my blog

[gray isle]

or a reviewer maker

[upper thorn]

gpt better than claude btw

[toxic verge]

If anybody else is interested in, here’s another interesting book on stupidity

https://archive.org/details/stupidityparadox0000alve/page/n9/mode/2up

[gray isle]

is that downloadable to Z-Lib? (piracy based)

[upper thorn]

Whats this muse spark model mogging everyone except claude, hadnt seen it before

[atomic lagoon]

No yea 100% me too, the more you use it the more you will learn

[atomic lagoon]

Ahhh

Then yea I understand, why not study solution

[gray isle]

true

[toxic verge]

No, that’s the Internet archive lol

[gray isle]

yeah i understand, sometimes Internet archive has paywall 😭

which is why i asked z lib

[toxic verge]

Oh yes

To be honest with you, I really got my interest on the subject is this

https://youtu.be/GWP_o0FxIAY?si=BLXPIDob7Z721ZTc

The first 15 minutes of it made me really think

Especially about all the information and act we have to knowledge

And yet we’re still so dumb lol

[atomic lagoon]

Man GLM 5.1 takes a long ass time but its relatively cheap

[gray isle]

It is true that being smart has its limits, you can be smart on one aspect or one specific thing, but be dumb or stupid in another aspect

[toxic verge]

Yes

That’s exactly

[gray isle]

unless generally stupid to all of things

[toxic verge]

That’s funny, dude you’re smart

That’s exactly what it says

[gray isle]

just like people who vote for stupid or manipulative politicians

[bleak lake]

muse spark has been enshitified already?

[toxic verge]

I doubt it has been

It’s too fresh

[gray isle]

yep

[bleak lake]

yeah figured

[toxic verge]

It came out like a week ago

wtf

[bleak lake]

it's not as good as, it was during the release

[toxic verge]

I didn’t try it. I just figured that they would at least give it more time.

That’s crazy dude a week

[bleak lake]

well it's meta, i never expected much

[toxic verge]

That sucks

A week is to short lol

[gray isle]

like i'm good (although i would just consider myself as an apprentice rather than an expert) at liberal arts, but i'm bad at mathematical or anything related to very deep critical thinking or anything that involes complex solving.

[bleak lake]

well eh meta is at least better than microslop

[toxic verge]

The whole reason I’ve been so stupid thing I also is dude I don’t think these models are really smart or intelligent. I just think they memorize a bunch of 💩

[gray isle]

Dyscalculia doesn't exist in my country, but it's just that Math or Physics makes me mad.

[toxic verge]

I don’t know at least I don’t see it

The more I interact the more like I get disillusioned with it

[gray isle]

at the same time, i took a college degree, that heavily involves both.. like wtf am i doing in here?

[toxic verge]

😂😂😂

[bleak lake]

llms works on guessing your next token after being feed a ton of data. It tries to guess what you are gonna say next. And searches its data, and gives the thing that seems like most relevant

[bleak lake]

but when you increase the computing power, by a lot it has some extraordinary changes, that's why current labs keeps on increasing the compute power

[toxic verge]

Yeah

That’s what I was thinking

But I don’t think your average user is gonna get access to that kind of compute lol

[chrome goblet]

GPT app sucks

[toxic verge]

So does Gemini

They nerfed Gemini hard I had to get rid of it

[bleak lake]

well eh for llms, your avg user is getting good enough results. For agents they don't require much either way

[chrome goblet]

App only

because censorship

[toxic verge]

Well, I looked into it also yesterday

[bleak lake]

Google is known for enshitifying their products

[toxic verge]

I think you gotta pay for it to have good AI

I think that we would do that is through the API

[bleak lake]

look what they did to ai studio

[toxic verge]

I think that the app versions are just gonna give you crap

Yeah, the censorship has been getting horrible guys and horrible

I’m telling you it’s ruining these damn things

[atomic lagoon]

I only use it to chat

[toxic verge]

Your brave soul

I’m starting to really dislike AI

Not because of the tools, but because of the business behind them

And censorship is the big reason

I think they’re good for like utility

[gray isle]

it's meant for profitibility as of now

they understood, that people needed AI for something they're not capable of... and that is what the market is for.

then stocks fall down

[atomic lagoon]

Absolutely man

But thats why I've tried going more local

Whats crazy to me is that people are surprised that if AI takes jobs over the economy would collapse

Because obviously it would

If people stop working and money stops circulating what happens?

Economy plumets

And really if that were to happen it wouldn't matter by then

All labor jobs would be taken over and we wouldn't need money

[toxic verge]

I don’t know I’ve written other people recently that it says that I can’t barely do 2% of people’s jobs that are currently

[sand fulcrum]

whats the best model to use

in lmarena

setting asides from opus models

[nova sluice]

Video generation is removed from the site???

[ocean venture]

has anyone try Manus before?

[atomic lagoon]

Yes for now

Eventually they will take over jobs

Would yall take GLM 5.1 or Qwen 3.6 Plus

[gray isle]

If only Opus exist. i would have been doing this prompt in Arena

[versed schooner]

Can someone recommend me the best ai video explainer?

[wary robin]

Claude sonnet can do transcripts, gemini can do full YouTube. But only from their own websites and apps

[wary robin]

3.6 is more reliable, glm is better strictly for coding

[atomic lagoon]

Okay thanks

I've used qwen but barely used glm

So I wasnt sure

[abstract owl]

Camera slowly dollies in from a wide shot toward a medium close-up. Subtle natural movements: one person adjusts their position, a child leans on a parent, soft breathing, slight smiles. The TV light flickers gently across their faces. Curtains move slightly as if from a soft breeze.

[slender ledge]

Guys

Why is gpt 5.4 gone

[undone saffron]

#announcements message

[versed schooner]

Thank you

[white karma]

Why they removed gpt 5.4 and opus 4.6

[river whale]

@echo aurora how can I dm you?

[echo aurora]

If you send @oak python a DM that's the same as DMing me

[river whale]

oh okay

[river whale]

Is verifying needed?

[gray isle]

I'm enjoying this woo hoo

[toxic verge]

I was reading a research paper on how researchers used to trick the models

So clever

[gray isle]

this what AI should be use for, not for answers in exams. but actual reviewers or teaching guide

[toxic verge]

That’s if we are to believe that AI is actually capable of being intelligent

[gray isle]

after all, the sources of the reviewer is me providing my own screenshots of a lecture

[echo aurora]

Nope

[toxic verge]

I’m assuming that this human made content ?

Have you guys seen the Claude propaganda?

About mythos ?

[gray isle]

yep, then with the help of AI to OCR it, then turn it into LaTex Code (Since i'm lazy creating a reviewer) the results is the picture

[gray isle]

that it's good? like i'm gonna believe that lol

[toxic verge]

Allegedly these are all the companies that have early access

[gray isle]

Microsoft is very obvious. they rent their servers...

[gray isle]

is this GPT 2019 all over again lol

dangerous in what way? dangerous that it's gonna make us believe it's too good? like come on, nobody's gonna believe that except madaforkers that can be convinced by propaganda

[west tide]

what happened to the web?

[gray isle]

wdym?

[river whale]

I sent some messages, could you take a look?

[west tide]

i was using it normally suddenly its failed to geneared after reload web it just show
This page was lost in training.
Something unexpected happened. Please try reloading the page.

mostly it only show web icon and quote with trace id

is it down

[toxic verge]

No

If this keeps reoccurring you need clear your browser

If it keeps reoccurring

[west tide]

data?

[toxic verge]

Browsing browsing data

[gray isle]

so basically it lost memory

[river whale]

What

Karen?

[gray isle]

happened to me too lol

[toxic verge]

Sorry, doesn’t typo

[west tide]

not a cache?

[toxic verge]

I just do the whole browsing data, but you could do that too. Also see if that helps.

[west tide]

i just done it by only clearing arena.ai cache and data and it works

ty for help

[river whale]

Would you guys like gpt 5.4 back?

[west tide]

entire browisng history is crazy tbh

[toxic verge]

Yeah it is

[gray isle]

high yes, not normal

[river whale]

Why not normal?

[gray isle]

actually instead of high or normal

just do the pro

[river whale]

Bro

[toxic verge]

Nanak banana has been nerfed so hard

[gray isle]

very unsustainble at it's finest

[toxic verge]

I don’t wanna get worked up but

[river whale]

How many spelling errors does your messages have

[river whale]

It won't be affordable to them

[west tide]

i feel like claude got nerfed at all
and glm does it better rn

[toxic verge]

Look this was my reference image

I asked her to replace the pickle

It gives me this, which is fine, I guess

[river whale]

It's good

[river whale]

Even great

[toxic verge]

But then look at this

[versed kelp]

yo guys muse spark hella under-rated

[toxic verge]

Lmao wtf

So clearly knows what it did wrong, but it’s still spit out the wrong image back to me and gave me my reference image like it fixed

I swear it’s on purpose, dude

They purposely made the app version crappy

Here one more example

Man banana three was so peak until December 2025

I’m telling you though that was peak until December

It was so good dude

Man, I miss those days

That was two months ago lol

[river whale]

Your pfp is crazy

[plain gazelle]

it seems that the AI ​​doesn't quite understand the principles of perspective

[toxic verge]

The conclusion I came to you can’t use the app. You have to do the API or pay for it. That’s when you get better quality.

Otherwise, you’re gonna keep getting crappy results and it’s not as filtered with the API

[abstract owl]

A warm, cozy family gathering in a bright modern living room, three generations sitting together on a soft beige couch, smiling and laughing naturally. A young couple, two children, and elderly grandparents are sharing tea

[toxic verge]

It’s honestly the stupid filters that are messing a lot of this up

I hate to say it, but it really is and the prompt also is because different models have different standards of safety

It just makes the whole industry a mess because one model can’t generate another one. Can’t

It’s honestly ridiculous and absurd

[undone saffron]

Only 3 messages

[river whale]

Which model

[river whale]

Crazy

[toxic verge]

I hate when the AI tries to give me suggestions or changes my prompts

If you can’t do the task, is she just shut up instead of giving me ridiculously useless suggestions lol

[abstract owl]

animate this

A warm, cozy family gathering in a bright modern living room, three generations sitting together on a soft beige couch, smiling and laughing naturally. A young couple, two children, and elderly grandparents are sharing tea

[abstract owl]

thats fun man

“A tender, emotional moment of an elderly grandmother with short white hair gently holding a sleeping young child on a soft blue couch. The child is resting peacefully on her chest, eyes closed, wrapped in a light blanket. The grandmother smiles softly with warmth and love. Cozy indoor living room setting with warm natural light coming through a window, soft shadows, neutral tones, minimalist home interior. Close-up composition, intimate framing, focus on facial expressions and connection. Ultra-realistic skin texture, fine details, cinematic lighting, shallow depth of field, 50mm lens, soft colour grading, warm tones, lifestyle photography, emotional storytelling, 4K resolution.”

[cinder stratus]

Video Script: One of the bullies reaches out to grab Aruna's hand, she sharply pulls away with an angry defensive posture, the camera focusing on her sharp reaction.

[turbid rivet]

Yoo Gemini 3-flash is gone too??

[abstract owl]

The child is resting peacefully on her chest, eyes closed, wrapped in a light blanket. The grandmother smiles softly with warmth and love. Cozy indoor living room setting with warm natural light coming through a window, soft shadows, neutral tones, minimalist home interior.

[obsidian tundra]

oh yea

[versed kelp]

what

[light canopy]

A vertical 9:16 cinematic short video. A plain slightly rough wall fills the frame. Within 0.5 seconds, a strong human hand suddenly slams onto the wall with force. At the exact moment of impact, a bold red “BEWARE” stamp appears instantly under the hand, with a wet ink spread effect and rough edges. Add a quick camera shake and micro dust particles dispersing from the wall. Lighting is dramatic with high contrast shadows. The action is fast but includes a slight slow-motion effect at the moment of impact. The overall mood is intense, shocking, and attention-grabbing. Ultra realistic, high detail, 4K quality.
🔊 Sound Effect Prompt (Must Use)
Loud, punchy “THUD + STAMP” sound synced perfectly with the hand impact, followed by a short echo reverb. Add a low bass hit for cinematic impact.
⏱️ Duration & Flow (Shorts Optimized)
Total duration: 2–4 seconds
0–0.5 sec: Empty wall (build curiosity)
0.5–1 sec: Hand slam impact 💥
1–2 sec: “BEWARE” visible (hold frame)
Optional 2–3 sec: slight zoom-in or fade out

[dusk hill]

When will we be getting gekmeni 3.1 pro back

I miss that shits so much

It's my therapist

[snow goblet]

just pay 20$ bro

[brisk turret]

Petition to add Qwen 3.5 9b to the leaderboard.

the bottom end of the pareto chart would greatly benefit from its presence

[toxic verge]

Wow

[lofty frigate]

Does it only happen to me?

[toxic verge]

No

Your session ended. You need to try to open in a new page or clear browser data

[obsidian tundra]

niceee

[undone saffron]

File processing and code writing are constantly improving in #Code

[wooden nest]

Is it working poorly for you too? I'm writing a request, it takes a long time to complete, and sometimes it just doesn't do it, or even makes an error. And who knows why some neural networks disappeared?

[hollow cedar]

The site went down

[worn estuary]

<@&1349916362595635286> Can u help me with that? I cant find any claude opus model in website

[hollow cedar]

They just took it off a week ago

[worn estuary]

Why?

[hollow cedar]

Due to probably financial issues

already said in announcements

[worn estuary]

Ohh. Lots of models missing too, like gemini3.1search

[hollow cedar]

This issue only happen on chrome, edge is fine

[toxic verge]

Happens on brave also

[undone saffron]

#general message

[golden ocean]

me when also getting captcha now😔

[pallid field]

What is going on? 🤨

[gray isle]

Prism?!

[paper cove]

Why were the Gemini 3.1 preview and claude opus removed, and will they be added back?

[dire gulch]

too expensive, unlikely for now

[atomic lagoon]

This makes me laugh so much

[brisk helm]

why is direct so sh** now

like they are offering models from a year ago

side by side only valid mode ow

[glossy nexus]

Hello

is there an editor here??

I need a video of mine edited

[light siren]

dude
#announcements message

[light garnet]

💰

Owing to how newer models are expensive.

[minor totem]

Bring opus back

fr

[light sleet]

tomorrow gpt image 2

[atomic lagoon]

Image 2 already out isnt it

[light sleet]

no

It isnt officially

people getting it through a/b tests

[sharp hill]

I have it by default on my accounts

#ai-creations message

[light sleet]

do "generate a selfie of Sam altman"

I wanna see if u rlly do

Cuz a Sam Altman selfie is the test to see if it's gpt image 2 or 1.5

[wary nacelle]

new feature

Raw User Messages

[sharp hill]

You can also find out based on the format.

If it's 21:9, it's definitely GPT image 2

[wary nacelle]

@undone saffron

[atomic lagoon]

I think it looks real, just AI images always have that like odd glamour that it adds to the picture and it makes it look too good to be taken by a phone

[light sleet]

I think it is

[sharp hill]

Do you want me to improve?

[atomic lagoon]

Well if you say "(Whatever prompt you had before) and make the image look realistic from an iPhone camera" it will do it

[atomic lagoon]

See now its weird, its too pixelated if you knwo what I mean

[sharp hill]

Yes, the graininess, but I think it's because I said "iPhone 4, no improvement".

[atomic lagoon]

Yea lol

[atomic lagoon]

Out of these 3 Qwen 3.6 plus

[gray isle]

Roleplay or Scenario wise, Qwen for now

unless Sonnet gets fixed in Arena (it's buggy right now for me)

[jaunty mist]

i guess, 3.1 pro on AI Studio

[indigo knoll]

Not really free model, I mean those which we can use for free in their respective platforms/apps

[jaunty mist]

albeit, i ain't gonna lie, i settled on using a paid opus 4.6 router

[jaunty mist]

3.1 pro is free in ai studio

[ivory snow]

is there a way to do ploting inside arena like how claude does the visual and gemini

[gray isle]

i'm loving itt

[light sleet]

Gpt image 2?

[light sleet]

How r yall getting gpt image 2

[untold rune]

what happen

[bright shard]

@echo aurora I can't create images in LMArena. Every time I click the generate button, an endless Captcha appears and then it gives an error. They need to remove the Captchas; they're useless now with so much AI on the internet

[hollow ivy]

lol, facepalm
i totally forgot about good ole' GPT ^^

is gpt-5.4 good for roleplaying and interactive fiction, etc?

[slim gorge]

gpt kinda fell behind gemini and claude nowadays

[hollow ivy]

... ok, so if you guys want to vote for GPT, please use the last option (other)

[hollow ivy]

Option #10 is for ChatGPT

[slim gorge]

just go for gemini 3.1 pro or opus 4.6

[hollow ivy]

i hope that will change with gpt-5.5 (aka "Spud")

[gray isle]

that's claude 😭

[gray isle]

session limit (in my own theory)

since i'm experiencing that problem

whenever it's complex task]

[dull grove]

#Video Arena

[vital mantle]

Anyone had results with muse spark

I think it’s better then grok not sure

[ivory vapor]

ai models in arenaai are getting deleted one by one is the website closing ?

[naive schooner]

I need to do my masters thesis and I need literatures to review. Help me to find a way out

[untold rune]

idk i gave him not hard task

[mild spade]

random but I noticed the pattern of ur reviewers, are u a med student?

[atomic lagoon]

Depends on how big the prompt is really

GLM Certainly took its time

[river whale]

@echo aurora can you check dm?

[river whale]

I think they don't want those model reviews or the cost has become high because of the abuser that's why they are removing frontier models

Feedback*

[obsidian cargo]

actually they explained it in #announcements its just expensive but they're still available in battle mode to collect leaderboard data

[river whale]

Do u use third party providers?

Do you have access to the mod mail?

[obsidian cargo]

no access to mod mail. I do have a claude pro sub though.

just the 24$ a month tier

[vernal raft]

Ah yes the trial tier

Free is 1 prompt tier

[fickle venture]

Where did you get it

[atomic lagoon]

Fireworks AI + OpenCode

Free GLM

5.1

And Qwen 3.6

Plus

[fickle venture]

Bruh Ive seen that but how

[fickle venture]

I have made a temp account with credit card linked in there I don't see free GLM 5.1

[atomic lagoon]

You gotta generate an API key in fireworks AI

Then put that API key into opencode

[fickle venture]

That's it?

[atomic lagoon]

Yes

[fickle venture]

And this means I already have this pass right?

[atomic lagoon]

Now it has a $50 limit so you just switch accounts when thats hit

[atomic lagoon]

I dont see that ngl

[fickle venture]

Dawg I thought you need to get credits for that holy I would've ignored this

[fickle venture]

It said all passes claimed

[atomic lagoon]

LMAO

[river whale]

Bro what are u talking about

[obsidian cargo]

you asked if I had access to mod mail and if I used third party providers.

I'm not a mod so

[fickle venture]

What's the base url and GLM 5.1 model id?

Also the qwen 3.6 plus id too

[atomic lagoon]

accounts/fireworks/models/glm-5p1 idk qwen

I literally just use /models

[stiff goblet]

Why the Kirk has arenas usage for sonnet decreased so much

[fickle venture]

And base url?

[rigid hollow]

What is "Math" and "Mathematics"

[stiff goblet]

Why the Kirk has arenas usage for sonnet decreased so much

[atomic lagoon]

No clue

[sterile tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/the-interview-james-franco-david-skylark-same-but-different-but-still-same-gif-4956158

[atomic lagoon]

https://api.fireworks.ai/inference/v1/chat/completions

For API

https://app.fireworks.ai

[rigid hollow]

what doe this mean for the leaderboard?!

what categories even mean? how they form

[fickle venture]

Oh you can already auth login using fireworks

[atomic lagoon]

Yes

[fickle venture]

It said my account got suspended

I didn't do nun

[atomic lagoon]

Make a new one then

Or wait

Show image

[fickle venture]

Uhh I think all passes are claimed

So basically I make a account?

Then make API key that's it?

[atomic lagoon]

Account add fake credit card to it then api yes

[fickle venture]

Well I guess the method got patched

[atomic lagoon]

Nope because I'm still using it

And a friend just got it

[fickle venture]

My new made accounts always get suspended

Stfu

[atomic lagoon]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[gray isle]

mines exceed 80k characters (more than 1000 words) for each of my prompt

[gray isle]

not really a med student

[atomic lagoon]

Thats why then

[rigid hollow]

so how leaderboard categories form?

[gray isle]

although Sometimes it's only 200 words, but Sonnet crashes all the time

Per usual it crashes whenever it's latex or html ones

[atomic lagoon]

Yea anthropic API sucks with this site

[gray isle]

But in the site it doesn't.

that reviewer was straight from the site itself

[modern wharf]

guys whats the best ai model for roblox lua coding

[jovial palm]

Over the weekend I saw Gemini 3.1 pro come back for a blink but now it's gone again and 2.5 pro also doesn't seem to be working. Anyone else experiencing? Any ideas of what's going on?

[gray isle]

i have wished Ph banned Roblox, a dream about to be come true

[modern wharf]

brudda what

[gray isle]

And it didn't happen.. For 12 Years, of playing it, in its current state, It's nuts

[undone geyser]

captchas suck

[modern wharf]

bro i just wanna know the best ai model for the coding

[gray isle]

Claude and Codex

[fringe moon]

I'm sick of this damn CAPTCHA every second

[gray isle]

although some use Gemini's output

[fringe moon]

I can't even get through it anymore.

[modern wharf]

does arena still offer the best ones or did they remove them becouse they costed to much

[gray isle]

only sonnet

and codex api currently sucks

[worldly plume]

@echo aurora Must explain what happen...but he wasn't online whole day

[modern wharf]

so i should lowk buy claude jusst from their website?

[fringe moon]

Help me, people, I have a captcha for every request, and now I can't pass it at all. It says Something went wrong while generating the response. Please try again.
Trace ID: b7917894-e081

[modern wharf]

and then would the pro still offer the best coding model

[rigid pasture]

Me too, gemini 2.5 is giving me errors all the time

[undone geyser]

i try to generate an image, pops a captcha, i solve it correctly after 10 "failed" attempts and asks me for login WHEREAS I AM ALREADY LOGGED IN

[worldly plume]

Also. I had noticed, today gemini models(gemini 2.5 pro and gemini 3 flash) generate EXTREMELY slowly...
And them, this 'something wromg' thing happened, for about 2 hours already

[spring oar]

you have big difference beetween opus 4.5 and opus 4.6 ?

[eternal pawn]

Is the arena down? I haven't been able to access it for over half an hour.

Trace id :c1c09d10-28d3

[proud bobcat]

Gemini is so ass lately

[worldly plume]

Seem so

[undone geyser]

i cleared cookies logged in, turned out no captcha asked

[worldly plume]

Which models not working for you?

[eternal pawn]

I cant access the home / landpage

[limber dock]

what’s going on with Arena… ToT I keep running into errors today, it’s so bad……….

[worldly plume]

OMG!! PINEAPPLE HERE!!:3

[echo aurora]

There is a visual glitch where some of the removed models reappear, hard refreshing the page should fix this. Looking into issues with 2.5

[echo aurora]

Hello

[jovial palm]

Thx so much, can you confirm that Gem 3.1 pro should be visible?

[echo aurora]

2.5 appears to be working for me, do you have a Trace ID you'd be able to share?

[echo aurora]

No, gemini-3.1-pro-preview should be a removed model from Direct & Side by Side atm

[young shuttle]

Is lmarena having problems for you? I can't access the site

[jovial palm]

I just tried and the last request seemed to work, but I'll pipe back if the direct chat spits out an error (it was erroring constantly earlier today)

[echo aurora]

What issues are you having? cc @limber dock ?

[echo aurora]

Sounds good, don't hesitate to share the Trace ID, ideally in this channel: #1417174113092374689

[limber dock]

I can get in, but not all the models work. I tried switching to others and they all behave the same ToT

[young shuttle]

It's been like this for hours