general

[elder solar]

Now it has some sort of stronger filter

[storm dust]

russian vs captchas

[gray isle]

sonnet better be not bugging

Yikes, if only Opus are available through Sundays lol

[chrome goblet]

And Gemini 3.1

[gray isle]

or just 4.5 thinking with File Upload. i don't need vision at all

Like not again

that's 7th time now

the code is about to end, and it just crash like that

tf?

[chrome goblet]

?

[gray isle]

i've been asking sonnet a very difficult (Difficulty: Closer to being Impossible) simple prompt. where it would create me an HTML, somehow it ends up like that, and for the 7th time in a row, (in 5 hours) it ended up like that again

[broken sundial]

hi, does anybody know how long a session goes until I hit the session limit?

[gray isle]

been investigative here though, some people who suggests ideas here, doesn't reappear or neither they come back after producing an idea. (which comes into fruition, that it became a reality) (people who basically joined for one time, and doesn't chat back, like are u a bot or something)

[vale quest]

Is me @empty sky because my account is at risk and I accidentally phone locked it

[gray isle]

hello there

anthropic naming Mythos as Mythos, and saying they're not gonna release it in the public, makes me think, it's just a myth and it's just Opus 4.7 lol

after all mythos means myth lol

after all every hyped model isn't really as good as they say it would be lol.

(and i just used the word "after" and "all" two times and three times as i just typed this)

wow

i would like my Side by side be like that lol

[undone scarab]

OMG why u have claude4.6

oh its not removed nvm

[undone saffron]

Too slow

[gray isle]

but Opus is out... sadly

[hidden elk]

Sometimes, it didn't respond

[atomic lagoon]

What are you using it for

[gray isle]

mine would not be muse at all, but either GLM (which at this time, i may gave a praise, since my opinion changed, but it just lack something i need, which is file upload) or sonnet

[gray isle]

turns out it's a session limit (by theory)

[undone saffron]

Chat only
Just testing
Took at least 4 mins in answer

[atomic lagoon]

What did you ask it?

[undone saffron]

Something about GraphQL of ig

[hidden elk]

Hey
If I use only for roleplay. Which model I should use?

I usually use Glm 5.1, sonnet models. I want to try out other models as well.

[undone saffron]

@burnt sinew
Why did you set the arena's current state as your profile pic?

Literally 📉

[undone saffron]

gemini-3-flash

[tranquil badge]

what the hell is this recpatcha bruh

fix yall site

this is so buns the recaptcha aint working ive been 30min hiting everything good and still tweakin

fix yall recaptcha

sh ai

[undone saffron]

At least it works now
Unlike before, when you had to use workarounds to get it to work
Besides, the captcha is a measure to prevent abuse

[tranquil badge]

its not

[gray isle]

i don't even complain about recaptcha, i complain about this goddamn error lol

that's the thing people should be complaining about

why the hell does it randomly stop out of nowhere

wtf?

so it's a random battle mode?

[brisk turret]

the models are outdated! this data is misleadin to people who look at it and think gemma3 is still best (gemma 4 is out)... also the BLEND ratio should not be fixed

there should be a slider for the blend ratio, not fixed at 3:1

[gray isle]

i wonder if that thing is even dynamic

[undone scarab]

yes…i hope they will give it back🥲or at least kimik3/dsv4 by the time there released

for Chinese models are cheaper api

[ripe moss]

Hello guys

[sterile wagon]

Dude, what's with trying to add points when the site isn't even working properly? Logging in is a nightmare because it keeps glitching 🙄

Stop adding Windows 11-style features for the love of God

[undone saffron]

#1451574502369656842 message

[blissful knot]

why is the opus model in the arena gone now?

[red chasm]

@blissful knot

that's the reason why there are no models

Well, for about a week now

We're waiting for it to be returned

were removed from April 3

[blissful vapor]

What's the worst possible model on arena? My friend is asking for ai to help him with code.

[boreal bough]

im just generating image

[blissful knot]

@red chasm can that model be obtained indirectly in "battle mode"?

[red chasm]

I think so, yes, it is possible

but I haven't tried

Although I really miss GPT 5.4

[blissful knot]

let's try 😁

[gray isle]

that's arena's birthday gift for me, and it was removing those models. like tf?!

[tulip flume]

the image models are gone again after login

[gray isle]

not on my birthday like bruh

and it was good friday at the same time

[tulip parcel]

Hey guys, quick question. I have a ChatGPT plus subscription right now, and I want to ask if it’s worth it to cancel it and get a Claude subscription? I mainly use AI for uni projects and stuff like that. My only concern is Claude having certain token limits and ChatGPT being unlimited. What do you think?

[wary nacelle]

Arena Fixes Extension Demo Preview

[wary nacelle]

yes

Claude is way better for exactly Optimized and good code

When GPT is for thinking and other planning kind of tasks

GPT rn is not the best at coding

[wary nacelle]

Xd

[wary nacelle]

well my friend @light siren can do that

but he says pineapple will kill him

so yeah rn it only fixes client side stuff

like chat stuck

Captcha

Skip button not appearing when forced comparison in direct chat

Copy Buttons at the bottom of your prompt so you can copy easier

[wary nacelle]

LMarena old theme-

and ofc my fav Enhance Prompt which is ultra useful to me

[undone saffron]

The classic arena theme was the best

[undone saffron]

.

[wary nacelle]

next ai assisted feature besides Enhance Prompt is gonna be

Save whole Chat History Context

as a one prompt

which is also good

incase LMArena chat breaks so hard

that extension cant even fix it

-# which kinda happens very often on claude-

[undone saffron]

You can add a button to bypass endless "generating" btw

[wary nacelle]

uhh we already have that

this button is universal

all it does is....

ignore that chat is already generating a response

and send a new prompt

how is it good?

FIXES ALL ISSUES
even errors

[tulip parcel]

How do I get this Arena extension?

[wary nacelle]

Its not public yet

[undone saffron]

A new prompt or the same prompt?

[wary nacelle]

cuz Chrome Web store wants 5$ to upload extension 😔

[wary nacelle]

new prompt

[undone saffron]

Really?

[wary nacelle]

yes

😔

And... the thing is Chrome Web Store doesnt accept my currency

either @light siren 's

[undone saffron]

I've created a twitch extension to automate everything

But I haven't gotten around to making one like the one you made for arena

[wary nacelle]

cuz if you did you would loose some huge amount of braincells just trying to understand how tf Arena Ai even functions on such unstable code

on hopes and prayers ig

Literally cuz LMArena is financially supported by big companies

they dont rely on us... Users

thats why their User Experience i ass

Even claude has better user experience

[undone saffron]

Literally cuz LMArena is was financially supported by big companies

[wary nacelle]

a

[light sleet]

Basically what they changed is background color and the name and the font, and removed the thing that was saying "Find The Perfect AI For You" thing with the ai logos

[wary nacelle]

and made it "Chat with our FRONTIER ais" or smth

[undone saffron]

It's more fun to find vulnerabilities
Like the one I found on *** three hours ago

[light sleet]

Yea but ngl I liked old LMARENA background color better

New fonts aren't that good too

[wary nacelle]

they be trying to make themselves look more PREMIUM while they cant just fix a damn copy button to be at THE BOTTOM of the user message

instead of the middle

Like is it actually that hard?

why is it important?

[light sleet]

😭

[wary nacelle]

cuz if you send a long prompt

goodluck finding the copy button

[light sleet]

What's that on starting of the last line 💀

[wary nacelle]

Max

goofiest ai router

[undone saffron]

@wary nacelle
Add an option to disable completelly the math markdowns
When AI processes a complex regex, that function breaks the regex visually and you can't copy it

[wary nacelle]

even i can make better one

hmmm

good idea

[light sleet]

😔

[wary nacelle]

just realized it had a highlight

[light sleet]

yea a blueish one

lmarena was better

arena kinda lags too

I didnt lag in lmarena it was more simpler and better

[wary nacelle]

oh its a simple reason

smth happend to their Senior Full Stack Dev

and new one is kinda bad

okay now how tf do i upload it to chrome web store..

without 5$ commission fee

[vale quest]

Huh

[silent tree]

release to other webstores first

like rolls out in others first then u can think what to do for chrome web

like edge

[wary nacelle]

Microsoft Edge Webstore & Opera Webstore are free yes but they are completely different frameworks and do not work on Chrome

AND

Chrome webstore was specifically made

to be dominant

so google can be greedy

and earn money

[silent tree]

Oh

[wary nacelle]

and sharing the extension source code is a bad idea

[silent tree]

yea dont

people could modify and professional ones would probably bypass arena stuff by modifying stuff

[silent tree]

release on their websites first 🔥 🔥 (I use edge)

[wary nacelle]

since yall already have this

image

my wants yall to find other icons

idk

he needs reference to perfect the extension Bring Back LMArena Theme thing

idk @light siren

[light siren]

dont use edge it makes ur pc laggy

[silent tree]

Mobile edge

[light siren]

yes but u can replace em

nope

it's a really expensive model

unless u wanna use anthropic's website directly

[silent tree]

kiwi second option cuz it supports chrome web store

but lemurs better and non laggier and specifically made for extensions too.

[light siren]

kiwi is nice

I've used it myself once

[silent tree]

yea

[inland quest]

where and how extension can be downloaded?

or its private rn?

[inner relic]

are they offering claude opus for free

bankrupt is real

[silent tree]

yeah cuz that's a edited arena lol

[silent tree]

It's an edited arena

prove it

take a video.

[inner relic]

which platform is this

I am interested if it offers mimo for free

[silent tree]

then its fake lmao

its fake dont believe it

[inner relic]

It doesnt look like fake.

[silent tree]

gatekeep your shi

[silent tree]

It is.

lmao

💀

[inner relic]

uhh okay. I will stay quiet

[silent tree]

spammers the one that r mad

[inner relic]

Might be fake dude

If they offered claude opus 4.6 for free

gg

they are bankrupt

what ads are useful for? if they dont have 1k member

[red chasm]

What is this site?

[light sleet]

Top example of being slow

[red chasm]

Is everything more or less free there?

I don't give a damn about advertising

I need a website

haha

[silent tree]

<@&1349916362595635286> advertising and misinformation

[inner relic]

I noticed this guy is an alt

suspicious

No generous providers offer claude opus 4.6 opus for free

👍

[light siren]

yes

[light siren]

i do

[light sleet]

nobody wants your fake edited arena

take your advertising to someone else

LMFAO

😭 😭

he's actually slow

sad

[wary nacelle]

@light siren And Users

what do you guys think about

making our ( My and Liam) extension

an App?

[light siren]

excuse me wat

[light sleet]

how would that work can u explain

[wary nacelle]

soo..

Yk Electron-Vite @light siren

as i said its basically Browser

but made as an app

[light siren]

u wanna embed arena on an app

[wary nacelle]

yep

with my extension

[light siren]

bad idea

[ocean venture]

what is this platform?

[wary nacelle]

?

[light siren]

our

[wary nacelle]

sdfgfsd

[wary nacelle]

keep forgetitng

*forgetting

[ocean venture]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-rko-gif-13922611545665230654

[light siren]

releasing on any official platforms would be an issue in that case

cause it's basically arena but with fixes

lets stick to the extension

he is right yk

like nobody asked

[light sleet]

ff

fr

[wary nacelle]

Puter.js

whatever lets block him

[light siren]

we do have our own solutions to use opus

[wary nacelle]

so he doesnt flood our chat

[light siren]

bet

[wary nacelle]

so where were we-

[light sleet]

rule 3 and 4 mogs him anyways lol

blocked

[inland quest]

i want back my Gemini 3.1 pro + Opus 4.6 thinking combo 😭

[light sleet]

the app

[wary nacelle]

yeah right

[thorn nebula]

Ain't no way one guy raigebaited all of u 😭 💀 "zs" bro's a menace

[wary nacelle]

so why it wasnt a good idea make LMArena app?

[light siren]

ragebaited who

[light sleet]

here comes the main account

[wary nacelle]

with built in extension

[gray isle]

then creating websites back to back lol

[light sleet]

It's his main account

[light siren]

u wanna recreate the entire extension framework in an app?

[wary nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-movie-i-always-come-back-william-afton-i-will-always-return-ill-always-come-back-gif-9990700622953520654

how bro felt

whatever block

[light siren]

real

[gray isle]

all? ahh... i just joined this conversation... (baliw yarn)

[light sleet]

anyways the app

[wary nacelle]

yes its ez

yes app in sizes will be lil bit heavy like 100-200 mb but even faster than LMArena

i think

[light sleet]

how much days would it take?

[light siren]

well fine

[wary nacelle]

prob 7 idk

[silent tree]

would it be available for Android too 😔

[light siren]

good question

@wary nacelle can we first make auto fixes option so the app just fixes automatically

[wary nacelle]

U make that

i only make frontend

[light siren]

fine

[wary nacelle]

peak Auto Moderation

[light siren]

u used poop word

ha

[wary nacelle]

Oh RIGHT

on prompts

lemme give you my current worked Extension zip

dms

i wish this server had proper voice channel

[feral bloom]

I know the platform

[whole sundial]

it used to but they are gone now, they must've just removed them

[spring oar]

for study i think chatgpt is the best

[light siren]

?

[whole sundial]

there were two voice channels, "research lounge" and another one

[light siren]

insane

good job

lmao

[wary nacelle]

should we lowkey rename extension to "Arena Pro Max" 💀

or nah?

[light siren]

oh hell nah

but we can change to smthn that makes sense

[wary nacelle]

Well-

[sterile tartan]

Lol is this real?

Or lie

[wary nacelle]

real probably but kinda the website itself is made with ai-

[light siren]

I dont see the same structure so not sure

[sterile tartan]

I see

[wary nacelle]

HOLY SHIT-

wait

@light siren i have a pretty DECENT idea

[light siren]

?

[sterile tartan]

Proxy?

[wary nacelle]

yes-

[sterile tartan]

Knew it

[wary nacelle]

well not proxy

[light siren]

its called bridging

[wary nacelle]

i can get the api directly

[sterile tartan]

I just call it Proxy

[wary nacelle]

then just plug in Opus 4.6 and other peak loved ais we all love

[light sleet]

Arena Plus

[silent tree]

Or Arena Extra

[silent tree]

those models might be fake

[wary nacelle]

Arena Tools?

[silent tree]

Arena Tools is good

too

[wary nacelle]

@light siren

[light siren]

hi

[silent tree]

Arena+

[wary nacelle]

.

[light siren]

sure

[sterile tartan]

Long prompts don't work

[light siren]

imagine

[light sleet]

yall getting fans now

[sterile tartan]

no.

[light sleet]

lol

[light siren]

like wat u wanna help

not happening

[feral bloom]

Nah

[light siren]

then

[silent tree]

They're making a chicken named arena tools, it tastes delicious

[light siren]

it does taste delicious

[light sleet]

nah it tastes like heaven

[light siren]

insanity

[silent tree]

better with the side of LMArena Sauce

[feral bloom]

You are welcome

[light siren]

ts soo real

[silent tree]

better that u can automatically fix the chicken that is stuck in one place and u can't get it.

[light sleet]

ChickenArena 🔥 🔥

[wary nacelle]

KFC Arena

nice new Chat Mode name-

wait but fr-

https://dms.licdn.com/playlist/vid/v2/D4D05AQEv3n-YRj1Tyw/mp4-720p-30fp-crf28/B4DZ0Ly_fJJoCE-/0/1774019419635?e=1776600000&v=beta&t=o4GI5B4IKTwcc4-EPdPWJKF_FM8bCqINJiL6YyyctPM

i already have Cooking Ai

not bad idea to implement it into Arena

lowkey just make LMarena power with ai response

and the framework of cooking

and stuff

handled by extension

[red chasm]

Thanks bro

I wish there were more kind people like you

[red chasm]

I forbid

[ocean venture]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZ2E5MHE5aHc4OWNuMmdtcGFhMmxhbHp3cGU3ZXNtdzh5YmJzOTgxdiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/X52p6PVaF9KqXN4f5y/giphy.gif

[tulip parcel]

You get like 2 prompts on that website

[burnt sinew]

Meta actually made something good what?

[inner relic]

👍

[wary nacelle]

https://web.archive.org/web/20240101000000*/lmarena.ai

For Arena Fixes extension

[light siren]

help us find the old lmarena ui yall

[wary nacelle]

Prompt Enhancer preview

[light sleet]

Bros actually cooking wth

[wary nacelle]

Oh its only the start

wait till you see i add to it Ultra Fast Web Search

• Chat context extraction

so incase chat breaks

you can start a new one

@light siren is actually cooking too

but smth else

[light sleet]

https://archive.ph/aajL2

there's one here

[past socket]

goly sht

thry got rid of 2.5 pro?? srsly???

are you fk ing kidding me

[hollow mulch]

Should changing to Arena capcha. Ai cause im keep get captcha every prompt

[light siren]

oh my gosh thank you

[hollow mulch]

What is that old lm arena

[wary nacelle]

Random thing made for fun

[light sleet]

np

[worldly plume]

They did?

[light siren]

arena.ai used to be lmarena

[grave panther]

where is video generation option?

[wary nacelle]

https://arena.ai/video

[hollow mulch]

It is peak before cause that time im dunno about arena

[wary nacelle]

Very peak

[hollow mulch]

Too bad im dunno about arena in that time:(

[wary nacelle]

Gotta miss the times when UI was good

performance was fast

no forced comparisons

No captchas

*Recaptchas

[hollow mulch]

Im hate captcha

Is alright when you need one or two verify

But then more after 4 or 5 image choose keep going, even misunderstanding wrong for that

[grave panther]

which tool Lmarena use for video generation?

[gray isle]

or just Arena Ultra, jk. is that based on phones lol

[wary nacelle]

finally someone understood the reference of the joke 🙏

[hollow mulch]

@hollow mulch i can tag myself lol

So who make arena ai?

Even the site get to known more from tik tok

[gray isle]

a corny name would be the reverse of Arena, which is "Anera". i don't think that word has any meaning, except for it's Japanese word according to Google Ai which means angel for some reason.

[hollow mulch]

But why arena have to add captcha? Because some guy create new acount to using limited model?

[gray isle]

well after all, the Extension feels like a gift from an angel.

[hollow mulch]

Is just my theory :/

Guy did yupp ai closed or the site still there?

[wary nacelle]

@light siren what do you think?

[toxic mulch]

hi im new

[hollow mulch]

Hi bro

[toxic mulch]

why is the ai crashing so much

the smart models

[wary nacelle]

hi a potential tortured soul of Arena Ai's new "USEFUL" features update

[hollow mulch]

They don't have enough money to afford them anymore

[toxic mulch]

ah

[gray isle]

basically for readers, as i said in my first word, it's gonna be corny or a knockoff version of arena

[hollow mulch]

You can read in #announcements

[toxic mulch]

who even pays this

[toxic mulch]

i am wondering how the website still exists

[hollow mulch]

Here

Im think they got sponsor or smth:/

[gray isle]

so you're experiencing them too? lol

that's my current bug now

[wary nacelle]

The same ai companies

wanna know why?

CUZ EVERY SINGLE PROMPt you send

EVERY SINGLE DROP

of data

is used for their data

and models training

basically no privacy

[gray isle]

so basically we're the research people for those ai

[worldly plume]

It's has been crashing like...everyday. for monthes at this point. It was peak years ago

[wary nacelle]

our projects are just training data

[gray isle]

whatever data that we input, the output would become the AI's knowledge? am i right?

because that's been a theory for a long time

[hollow ivy]

The customer is the product, as always.

[light siren]

no

[gray isle]

it is corny right

[light siren]

yes

[hollow mulch]

So we are just like hamster in lab?

Holy shocking right now

[outer flicker]

why still have claude opus in leaderboard lol 🙂

[wary nacelle]

cuz it has collected data

and it has 1504 user opinions

[outer flicker]

possive opus so much

even me fr

[obsidian cargo]

It's still in battle mode

[outer flicker]

yep no one can"t pass peak

[gray isle]

Yep. but Human Rats as we speak. just like Middle Class in First World Like but Third World Countries.

[gray isle]

where Poor people get money, that definitely comes from Low to Upper Middle Class. (Upper Class would be different, since they're too smart to lessen their taxes)

[cursive timber]

opus is very good ai

i used to have np 20-30 anki cards

summary of yt video doing very good

but now i have only sonnet grok or this muse spark or something

before i used to use claude opus 4,5 and gemini 3.0 pro

[gray isle]

lucky you, i combine Gemini 2.5 Pro/Gemini 3.1 Pro/Sonnet 4.6/Opus 4.5 Thinking/Opus 4.6 Thinking/Opus 4.6 majority of the time.

now it's reduced into two

[cursive timber]

i discovered arena in october 2025

before i just using chatgpt

and randomly gemini

[gray isle]

me at nov 2025

actually shocked that something like this existed

[cursive timber]

still great

[gray isle]

but didn't know i can actually integrate LaTex coding until January

then i joined this DC server because of errors of GPT 5.2 and Opus Thinking

at February

and most of that errors, was caused by prompts and the results of my LaTex

[cursive timber]

i joined because opus dissapear

and other models

i still have chats with opus 4,6 and 4,6 thinking

[gray isle]

sameee

[cursive timber]

and some others

[outer flicker]

how brooo

????

[cursive timber]

i created account

[gray isle]

i discovered this through a sharing subreddit

i still benefit in that subreddit, because randomly i would find some post, that there would be 60% in some certain cinema

like a promo like this, it's a sharing subreddit after all, idk if America has a version of that

[gray isle]

yum yum

[gray isle]

that would be 3.35 usd

cheap for americans, not for us tho

[sterile tartan]

Economy Diffrences

And that save 96 is just a gimmick

Just increase the price by extra and label it as discount

[rigid pasture]

Add one more to the list

[gray isle]

yep.

J-co is popular here though compared to krispy kreme

you would found random reseller across a street.

[gray isle]

they would be selling a dozen of donuts

[sterile tartan]

There are always cheaper sellers

Just gotta find them

[gray isle]

not cheaper, more expensive actually

because it gets sold out in 8 hours

scalpers as you call them

[sterile tartan]

💀

Well that's inconvenient

[spring oar]

Opus 4.6 is nerfed ?

[spring oar]

what youe mean by peak ?

like the sota model ?

[outer flicker]

opus

[spring oar]

like opus is the sota model ?

[gray isle]

what do you mean nerfed?'

like it's gone?

or the quality is gone?

[spring oar]

low thinking in claude chat

with opus

[gaunt falcon]

Helo

[modest topaz]

Heavily nerfed and hallucinating a lot. The Api is still performing well, but not like it used to. Ask it a simple question like I want to wash my car and the car wash is 50 meters away, should I walk or drive? it says to walk to the car wash. Earlier, it would say drive since you want to wash your car. Opus 4.5 is doing well, use that instead.

[spring oar]

you talk in claude chat ?

[modest topaz]

I use both the Api and claude chat.

Api in antigravity.

[spring oar]

in api is nerfed to ?

[modest topaz]

Yeah, not doing good as it was before but it’s still manageable not like Claude chat which is dead now.

[spring oar]

ok so the best is to use opus 4.5

but opus 4.5 is less good than sonnet 4.6 ?

[modest topaz]

Yup use Opus 4.5

[modest topaz]

Sonnet is also hallucinating a lot, Opus 4.5 is doing good so use it.

[spring oar]

ok thanks

[floral canyon]

how are they gonna make muse spark free long term

[spring oar]

sadly opus 4.6 he can be the best

[dusty hazel]

Am I the only one who won't see Opus, 3+ Pro, what else. Was I banned from trying top llms 😕

[outer flicker]

[gray isle]

glm needs file upload tho

[uncut plume]

how can i get out of this loop?

[gray isle]

you can't actually, that's a bug

although GLM is just like a knock off version of Sonnet (100% of the time)

but it compares itself to Opus

[dusty hazel]

It achieves the result I want much faster than Opus or 3.1 for me for more real-life (not hard problem coding) tasks

[gray isle]

okay i wonder what's this, a scam or what

oh i thought it's a bot

[dusty hazel]

Glm's agent mode is very cool. Chinese AI impresses me a lot

[gray isle]

is there a better chinese ai than Deepseek tho (Deepseek sucks right now)

like no. 2 ai you can suggest

(I didn't say no. 1, because no. 1 is disputable)

[dusty hazel]

Glm is better than 3.1 Proand Opus as I said in what I said it's better, and it's not bad. Meaning it can achieve everything

Deepseek is far behind, but its MAI (Microsoft's) version is impressive

Benchmarks agree on all this

I believe it's still free on openrouter btw

(mai)

(the best of deepseeks)

[uncut plume]

soooo my stuffs gone?

i was making a website on here lol

[outer flicker]

bye

[dusty hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-bye-bye-donald-trump-gif-5648885

[azure drum]

@echo aurora where is mythos bro?

[exotic tartan]

why spam mods asking about an unreleased model on a sunday bro?

[azure drum]

They took Opus from me. 😏

[gray isle]

is there an ai good for latex? (not prism, it's just gpt 5.4, degraded version)

[dusty hazel]

I dunno

[gray isle]

me opus? are u serious by that word

[dusty hazel]

Check out texpen the github maybe

[gray isle]

i'm not technically correcting, but, and but. "Cause they took my Opus" would be a better term than "Cause they took me opus" like what does me opus mean? the hell.

[wary nacelle]

Progress of Arena Fixes so far

@light siren has been working on LMArena OG theme

waiting till he send his part so we can cook

(this is Enhance Prompt button)

[gray isle]

wuss dattt

april 26 of whom chatbot?

[azure drum]

bruh, this are something new that's why you see them like this

[dusty hazel]

Like, stay 2 weeks behind plebs

[gray isle]

it might be smashing something, but i do not believe the "bleep" out of it..., something is cooking yall

[storm dust]

no way people voted glm 5.1

💀

[gray isle]

like there's no file upload...

how the hell does it win

the site itself has file upload, WHILE IN ARENA IT DOESN'T HAVE ONE, SO WATTT EN DA INTAYR WUORLD ES GUENG ON

[storm dust]

crash out

[dusty hazel]

Glms are really seriously good if you're fine with like two extra fixes after the first prompt

I only don't code with glms now, but for basic tasks they're my go-to now

[storm dust]

well for coding glm is definitely good

but not good for long files

because it usually makes typos

[dusty hazel]

Yeah, actually glm-5+ are really, really good at coding

Solve everything for me. 3.1 Pro just does it slightly faster and prettier for me usually

[wary nacelle]

dude making a system prompt is so hard 😭
it keeps finding a way to bypass it and use it to JUST CASUALLY CHAT WITH THE USER INSTEAD OF ENHANCING PROMPT

[dusty hazel]

What I found really bad about Geminis is that 2.5 Flash Lite with a good system prompt works much better than 3.1 Flash Lite. Why?

2.5 Pro is often also more fitting even though obviously less capable and a bit unnatural

[dusty hazel]

I should prolly try another account and device

[gray isle]

you made me confused actually...

like in my head right now it's saying:

Did he read the announcement?

Was he actually banned?

What the hell is going on and why did that happen to him?

Oh lord... have mercy

[dusty hazel]

Which announcement?

[gray isle]

in announcements?

like i can't use opus too

the fact, this app gave me a dissappointing birthday present, something that will make me pissed.

[dusty hazel]

Oh wow they're back but only in my old chats

Yeah Opus been unavailable for quite a long time already,

[gray isle]

Announced in April 3, Good Friday. and it was my birthday at the same time.

[dusty hazel]

But other top llms aren't there for side by side for me

Since like two days ago

[gray isle]

like sonnet?

[dusty hazel]

I see sonnet 4.5, 2.5 Pro, 5.2 high and recent 5.4 mini high

Oh, 4.6 sonnet is also there. And 3 flash

These are the top for me. No better

Are the providers removing their llms from arena? I see better models on screenshots in the announcements here!

Maybe used too much without voting much?

What stopped me HARD from voting more often is captchas, so annoying, every time

I wish I also knew what is counted — only the last reply or the whole conversation starting with the last vote

Cuz it's getting harder to vote immediately this last year

[gray isle]

that's a good theory btw

[dusty hazel]

Happened pretty much all of a sudden btw, I only made like four text prompts that week, and then after a couple of days...

[gray isle]

it has a lot of errors going on?

[dusty hazel]

Half of the time actually, esp for image generation

[gray isle]

for me it's coding generation

[dusty hazel]

For text, not half of the time)

[gray isle]

specifically my favourite request

LaTex application

[light sleet]

ever since I joined arena, I've been SO invested in AI bro.

[gray isle]

i use Opus for LaTex after all

[light sleet]

I'm gonna become a slopmaster 😭

[gray isle]

me who's only been using 4 AIs before

but perplexity sucks

[surreal zephyr]

Slop

Shlurp

Slop slop

Shlurp shlurp

[silent tree]

no way u can js ask an AI in arena to make u a web with the Opensource Model link and it can install everything for you and load the AI.

Crazy

Found about it rn

😭

[dusty hazel]

Blizzard must create Slopcraft the real-time vibe coding strategy

[surreal zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-water-ai-grandma-hello-sweetie-gif-16609895619506562880

[silent tree]

U think Spud will be stronger than Mythos?

[gray isle]

Ai Studio (found it in 2023), Chatgpt (before it became limited this year, dissappointingly), Bing (a very good idea in the past, it just downgraded actually, and that's the actual problem, although Microsoft can say that they own OpenAI), then some independent random AIs or meta ai whatever

[surreal zephyr]

Dang sora truly was the only good video generator

[dusty hazel]

Of should I?.. 😄🤔

[silent tree]

me personally, I am waiting for GPT Image 2 and excited for it.

[surreal zephyr]

Mythos is worse than opus 4.6 lmao

[silent tree]

What 😭

[surreal zephyr]

Mythos is hype bait thats too unreliable to release

[silent tree]

opus 4.6 nerfed SO BAD.

Anthropic is giving themselves a fallout.

[gray isle]

just like how they hype, GPT whatever it is in 2019

[surreal zephyr]

Mythos is literally opus but not quantized and no guardrails

🤣

Which makes it more creative but garbage to work with

[dusty hazel]

No way that github misposting isn't a part of their deliberate rollout strategy to cover the expenses of Trump's attack

[gray isle]

that would disappointing for real

[silent tree]

If I ever need help with GPT related stuff, you're the guy 😭
cuz ur smart about Openai.

[gray isle]

after all it's just Opus 4.7 to me lol

[surreal zephyr]

Thats literally true, read the paper

[surreal zephyr]

Nah its base for opus 4.7 they literally said that

Opus 4.7 will be mythos but quantized and actually reliable

[gray isle]

me having selective amnesia. and i can't pronounce words oh yeah

[surreal zephyr]

So slightly less creative

[gray isle]

what did i said... lol

[surreal zephyr]

Yeah but like they actually admitted they are using it as base for 4.7

So mythos is basically a hype bait

[gray isle]

expect madaforkers

freaking out, saying it's good

[dusty hazel]

Opus is good for being objective and not agreeing to any crap you write. Besides this, I don't know why ppl actually choose Anthropic. Their tasks aren't probably hard or demanding stability maybe

[gray isle]

the name itself, already makes it look like a fool. like "Mythos" are u saying it's a myth, like you should just named it Omega

it's so corny

[dusty hazel]

Wanna be rockstars. OpenAI did it better with o for omni

[gray isle]

or Achaemenid Empire.

[dusty hazel]

The next day after I came up with choosing omni for a lot on arena btw 👀

[gray isle]

is that even the right spelling, from what i just wrote

[dusty hazel]

I like how Jan Assmann uses the word "mythomotor"

In essence, everyone's drivers that embody the essence of current collective memory

[light siren]

YALL

who wants it

[storm dust]

i want you 😏

[light siren]

die

[storm dust]

ban

[gray isle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/slapping-amanda-bynes-angry-K3ZjR6Dc22t9e

[astral cobalt]

bro why all llm gone

[dusty hazel]

There was some paper that claimed that for most tasks "instant" simply gives better results

[storm dust]

is it just me or did people start to use gifs from giphy more often?

[gray isle]

discord changed it

[astral cobalt]

all ia gone

[gray isle]

wdym all?

[light garnet]

What's that?

[gray isle]

like what model

[gray isle]

i would want that. but i don't have the moneee

[astral cobalt]

high

[sterile storm]

PLEASE OPUS 4.6

[gray isle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/annoyed-eye-roll-judge-judy-Rhhr8D5mKSX7O

don't you guys understand budget cuts?

like haven't use experience financial problems....

[dusty hazel]

Have you noticed Geminis became much faster in aistudio recently?

2.5 Pro begins answering within like two seconds for me very often

[light siren]

its free vro

[light siren]

its our extension

[gray isle]

it became flash

[surreal zephyr]

The fact that mythos aint much better than 5.4 pro is funny

[light siren]

Extension me and @wary nacelle made

[gray isle]

like that's believable. cheaper to prompt?

[dusty hazel]

Flash lite really

[surreal zephyr]

5.4 Pro is actually a real model.
And mythos "alleged" stats arent much better

[gray isle]

if it's cheaper to prompt. it should have been here now, and named as. Daddy's wishes.

[storm dust]

ampro mythos was mainly supposed to be a coding model if i am right so that makes sense

[surreal zephyr]

Mythos has less $/token but uses MUCH MORE TOKENS

[gray isle]

like are we in SIms 4

being milked by EA

[surreal zephyr]

No mythos actually is creativity model

With no guardrails

And its still bad

🥀

[storm dust]

uhh

[abstract hinge]

Did they remove Claude Sonnet as well? Are even the free models going to start getting removed?

[storm dust]

im not sure about that one

you were the one saying that gpt 6 is coming this week

i dont see it

[surreal zephyr]

Yes next thursday

This week was the plan

100$

[gray isle]

so they're different from 5.4 high?

[surreal zephyr]

Gpt 6 was delayed from last week because mythos wasnt released

[storm dust]

my eyes are wide open so lets see

[surreal zephyr]

Gpt 6 spud was supposed to come same day as mythos to literally make fun of mythos

[gray isle]

then why the hell i don't see 5.4 pro before

[surreal zephyr]

But mythos was released.... as private

Which ruined openai plans

[abstract hinge]

Claude Sonnet 4.5 and other versions disappeared for me.

[surreal zephyr]

So instead they are pushing the plan (and superapp) first

Gpt 6 spud next thursday if stuff go well

[surreal zephyr]

Its not in codex, only web interface

Or in codex but you pay via api

It costs 10x of normal 5.4 xhigh

[storm dust]

i have no idea where you got that information from

[abstract hinge]

@echo aurora ?

[storm dust]

but for me that seems veryy unlikely

people tend to believe that it will release in june

[surreal zephyr]

I literally predicted 5.4 release up to 5 hours

😭

[storm dust]

what the

[light siren]

caine from tadc recreated

[storm dust]

pro confimed?

[surreal zephyr]

5.4 pro?

Thats out wym

[storm dust]

no i think you're pro confirmed

bro is pro

[surreal zephyr]

Just watch twitter and insider trading lol

[storm dust]

i never do lol

[surreal zephyr]

Its all there, obvious

[storm dust]

i never used those sites

seems too much pressure and seems pointless

[surreal zephyr]

But yeah, i had a screenshot somewhere, tibo literally was suprised mythos is private only too

Cuz they wanted 6.0 as counter for it

[storm dust]

ok but is gpt 6 a generation leap or not?

[surreal zephyr]

Its multimodal

[storm dust]

because i have been seeing it is

[surreal zephyr]

And thats MASSIVE

[echo aurora]

Are you able to see a screenshot? Can you also try a different browser? Model is appearing for me.

[storm dust]

oh thats awesome

[surreal zephyr]

Its new base but its going to be more opus like prolly

Because its 6.0 not 6.5

Its like fresh start again

More creative, less reliable

[storm dust]

but it definitely is not a big leap to agi 😭

[surreal zephyr]

Unless they fine tuned it strongly with the bonus time they had

[surreal zephyr]

Define agi

Agi is literally moving goalposts

[storm dust]

artificial general intelligence

is that correct

[surreal zephyr]

Thats the shortcut yeah, but define it

The original definition was "better than average human at most tasks"

[storm dust]

well i really dont know how to define it because i dont really know what agi means

[surreal zephyr]

Which we went past long time ago

[storm dust]

im just saying for some reason some certain people say that it is a big leap to agi

[surreal zephyr]

They dont know nothing lol

Agi = average human

[storm dust]

it seems very unlikely

[surreal zephyr]

Can average human write working code at 200 tps?

Can average human solve frontiermath problems?

[storm dust]

there's no way something thats a big leap to agi is going to release this week or next week

[surreal zephyr]

Agi is already here.
People say agi while they think asi

Arc agi 1 was agi

Arc agi 3 is literally "more than asi"

Lol

[storm dust]

well i guess i definitely dont know what i am talking about

or maybe im wrong

or maybe im confused

[surreal zephyr]

Agi is a bad metric

Guess which model is "most agi" rn?

Because the answer is funny and unexpected

[storm dust]

no idea

[surreal zephyr]

Gemini 3.1 pro

Why? Because its multimodal properly

Yes its stupid

But its closest to agi

Because its multimodal

[storm dust]

ban

call the mods

[surreal zephyr]

Gpt 5.4 and opus 4.6 are both way better at coding than gemini 3.1

[storm dust]

so agi is linked to multimodal

[echo aurora]

[surreal zephyr]

Which model can replace you at doing dishes?

[light siren]

yall is mercury 2 good

[storm dust]

so basically gpt is going to beat gemini's latest model?

[surreal zephyr]

Thats agi

[storm dust]

yeah

[surreal zephyr]

For agi you need a good vision and decent smart

Not "very smart", very smart is ASI

[golden ocean]

world models

[surreal zephyr]

Yes because its a new base and its multimodal

[storm dust]

i thought that after AI comes ASI

lol

makes sense

[surreal zephyr]

Asi = artificial super intelligence

Asi means "better than humans at everything"

[storm dust]

from what i understood

AI = mimicking humans
AGI = acting like humans?
ASI = overpowering humans?

[surreal zephyr]

Ai = neural net

Its different thing

[storm dust]

ok

[surreal zephyr]

AI = does anything at all without needing to teach

Ai is like a fly or mosquito

Agi is like a dumb factory worker

Asi is like Einstein

[light siren]

anybody got an answer

[storm dust]

i see

[surreal zephyr]

Garbage

Use gemini 3.1 flash lite instead

Mercury loses to qwen 27b

[light siren]

die

[surreal zephyr]

Mercury is trash

[storm dust]

liam you're mine

[surreal zephyr]

Like literally

[storm dust]

😏

[surreal zephyr]

It uses outdated architecture

[light siren]

fair

[light siren]

gay ahh

[hollow mulch]

Im getting 6 question from câptcha and still get wrong, why is time is have too much?

*this

[storm dust]

this might be grok's nightmare

[dusty hazel]

2.5 Flash Lite outperforms 3.1 Flash Lite for what I suppose Flash Lite models are supposed to be

Noticed smth like that for text answers and some cognition from 2.5 to 3+?

Went completely unable to give responses in the right structure I requested

This was a shocker for me

[fiery gull]

Man the flash lite 3.1 is so trash even in my pratice use

[dusty hazel]

I wonder how they trained them and what changed

[fiery gull]

The flash 2.5 is better lol

[dusty hazel]

I assume flash lite 3.1 can produce longer text-oids?! Lol

[surreal zephyr]

Speed and price.
And i literally never said its a good model i said its better than mercury thats different

[storm dust]

immediate ban

[light sleet]

Mods get him

@echo aurora When is Super Pineapple arriving? It's already Sunday.

[kind rivet]

There is no gpt high latest no claude no gemini so why you post on announcement group that every model present there

Claude opus 4.6

[echo aurora]

Check out the leaderboards & use categories for a more filtered view of rankings: https://arena.ai/leaderboard/text

[echo aurora]

[storm dust]

why do they treat you like a toy 😭

[light sleet]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[light sleet]

we dont 😔

these hacked bots GOTTA stop now.

What is discord doing 😭

[surreal zephyr]

opus by far. or gemini

@echo aurora delete pls.
cant you set up autofilter for when those exact 4 images are posted?

[toxic mulch]

whats this

[wary nacelle]

Dude the hell you mean Mercury 2 is worse than Gemini lite 3 cuz of old architecture

Dude mercury 2 is the one who uses new architecture instead of sequential token generation it does parallel based on diffusion

Basically what that means it can even fix it's own previous written token and be very fast while saving computing power and providing high speed, just give that model proper training like Gemini or GPT and it literally beats anything

All ais till now were just expanding their training data

Thinking if they keep expanding it will get better

That's not how it works

Mercury 2 was the first one to change to architecture and try smth else

And guess what Google is stealing that architecture

To make new Gemini 4

[silent tree]

man release arena tools fast 💔

[wary nacelle]

Tell Google to remove commission fees

[silent tree]

Yo Google remove

They said no

😔

[wary nacelle]

Then wait till proper obfuscation of code

So that we just give the source

And y'all put it manually as developer mode extension

[wary nacelle]

Or

Y'all could find someone

[golden ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/ева-елфи-gif-7266118905556669339

[wary nacelle]

Who has registered a Google web store developer account with paid 5$

So we can upload

Or smth

Idk

We are broke 😔

• our currency isn't accepted by google

[surreal zephyr]

sequential is upgrade over diffusion

[wary nacelle]

The hell are u saying

[surreal zephyr]

gemini diffusion

google

or D3PM (Discrete Denoising Diffusion Probabilistic Models) by Austin et al., published in 2021

diffusion is old as hell and way worse than seq

thats why it was abadoned in the first place

its like "yo lets make wheels square again and call it innovative"

Diffusion-LM (Li et al., May 2022)

[wary nacelle]

This is Diffusion LLM

[surreal zephyr]

D3PM proved the concept but performed poorly compared to autoregressive models — about 2–3× worse than GPT-2 on language modeling benchmarks

[surreal zephyr]

yes those all are

[uncut plume]

how to fix or atleast redo

[surreal zephyr]

diffusion is faster but dumb so its useless

diffusion is not even as good as NON REASONING autoreg models

[wary nacelle]

Second of all inception uses diffusion aka parallel only for token generation, that means they can still train the ai on same data as Google or Claude and get same results but faster also it has less hallucinations because it can fix it's previously written tokens

All that is different is the way ai generates tokens

[surreal zephyr]

all those i mentioned use diffusion.
and diffusion is just worse literally

ask claude or gpt if you dont understand it

[wary nacelle]

So saying back then diffusion was dumber gpt cuz it was trained on less data than gpt

Is same as comparing grok to gemini

[surreal zephyr]

mercury 2 is literally worst llm rn

[wary nacelle]

Obviously cuz it wasn't trained properly no wonder

When Gemini Diffusion releases then you will see it's potential

[surreal zephyr]

how hard is it to understand that thinking > hallucinating whole blob and trying to make it coherent

[surreal zephyr]

gemini diffusion RELEASED, AND THEN WAS SCRAPPED

[wary nacelle]

Not my problem google failed to do that architecture

Second of all you are comparing a fish to a bird

[surreal zephyr]

mercury2 loses to qwen 0.8b thats how bad it is
diffusion is just trash

[wary nacelle]

Diffusion model purpose of mercury 2 is completely different

[surreal zephyr]

"fast and dumb and cheap"

[wary nacelle]

U are mistaking knowledge with intelligence

All ais are just memorizing stuff and mixing it together

[surreal zephyr]

knowledge is useless

[surreal zephyr]

https://giphy.com/gifs/why-IDGNYvFLkJKLK

ok you have 0 idea how ai works. blocked

enjoy your mercury while i enjoy gpt 5.4 pro

i WONDER which one is better

[wary nacelle]

And yet you keep comparing a jet with an air fryer

Look if you are building a project like idk code refactoring ai or Ai Voice Assistant

U obviously would use Mercury 2

Cuz of it's speed

And for example voice Assistant speed really matters

And for simple stuff like telling voice Assistant to disable room lights or smth with proper system prompt

U would still use mercury 2

Cuz who needs it to be smarter when I want it to do simple tasks but faster

U are comparing GPU with CPU practically

GPU can do tasks at massive scale but not complex ones

While CPU does complex tasks but not at massive scale

[wary nacelle]

You can already see that when going to inception labs website they offer u api not the mercury chat

Cuz it's literally made for integration of ai to projects be a thing

And fast thing not wait 19 mins until ai decides to enable the lights of ur room or smth

By ur logic coders now are basically stupid at milking the cows at the farm

It's simple task

Yet a farmer does it better

That's ur logic

And second of all to your statement "diffusion models are 3x dumber", let me clarify diffusion models intelligence like any other ai is based on training

And diffusion models are just harder to train

Because they are more complex

They literally think differently

[thick blade]

Chud

[wary nacelle]

Whatever making ppl like u understand that comparing a motorcycle to a plane is dumb is useless

[wary nacelle]

?

[thick blade]

Are u a chud

[wary nacelle]

What is chud

[thick blade]

U dont know in big 2026?

[wary nacelle]

I am not Twitter or reddit guy so nah

[wary nacelle]

Literally previous guy was saying "knowledge is useless"

[thick blade]

Idk

[vernal raft]

is there anyway i can extract a chat from arena?

[indigo rampart]

Bro any one seen the model muse spark in arena