general

[frosty lava]

let's be clear anyone that have access to this have many information and harmfull one

they can do worse than only hacking.

for now its only on small model

its okay

but when it come to larger model its not the same thing

[undone saffron]

Imagine a world where there are no claude or geminis, and only these exist

[frosty lava]

nah its just on arena so its okay

[gloomy onyx]

minimax 2.7 actually performs okay

[brisk helm]

aaaaaaaaabru

[undone saffron]

In basic code, yes

[brisk helm]

why did they rmove all the recent models

like opus 46

[radiant heron]

are the opus 4.6 and gpt 5.4 even that good or is it just benchmaxing

[gloomy onyx]

it's definitely the best choice amongst the list you posted

[undone saffron]

Due lack of $

[gloomy onyx]

those are the best models in the market until Opus Mythos gets out

GPT 5.4-high for general knowledge and Opus 4.6-thinking for coding

[frosty lava]

but mythos even if its out wouldn't be for everyone.. i mean yeah anyone can but who would pay the model if it cost so much per million token

i think mythos is like the pro version or something

[gloomy onyx]

The issue isn't the price (well, surely it won't be cheap)

the issue is that it's a menace

[frosty lava]

if its a pro version actually.. its same as gpt 5.4 pro who would pay this

it cost so much

[gloomy onyx]

It's currently too dangerous to be given out to everyone

[frosty lava]

yeah but it will have safetyguard and more

if they find prompt that break those guard then sure

but if that's not the case its good

and if the model take 1 hour to do a task i don't see anyone that would use it

or only if you really want to one shot something

[jolly hound]

Claude opus 4.6 has been removed for me.

[gloomy onyx]

It's like that for everyone else too.

Opus 4.6 has been removed from Arena.AI.

[jolly hound]

It kinda makes sense though, there's been lots of errors and glitches while I was using it...

[gloomy onyx]

The removal reason was linked to runtime inference costs, not errors.

[jolly hound]

Oh

[jolly hound]

I doubt Mythos will release on Arena... (If it ever even releases)

[subtle rose]

Mythos would be more expensive that Opus, so ye

[frosty lava]

i think its more than more expensive, i think it will be like a pro version

like gemini deep think or gpt 5.4 pro

not the basic one

[atomic lagoon]

Absolutely lmaoo

[atomic lagoon]

Honestly idk, its very pricey, but I wanna see the price on spud

[undone saffron]

#general message

[frosty lava]

for normal chat qwen its cheaper

and also run really fast

[golden ocean]

LLM

[hollow mulch]

Did ppl sonar is good?

[dapper egret]

Just use the leaderboards. The whole point is blind voting on what gives the better answer. It’s pretty darn accurate and the whole reason Arena.ai really exists

[hollow fossil]

is it just me or is glm 5.1 onlt fully responds like 20% of the time

[blissful ridge]

Bruh where is claude Sonnet6 is gone

[frosty lava]

that's cause of arena

[hardy lion]

LLM

[vast pagoda]

man i wish this site wasnt hella laggy on mobile

[brisk turret]

Petition to add smaller models to the leaderboard

Gemma 4 4B and qwen 3.5 4B and 9B too!

[dapper egret]

I think they’re on the text boards

Code is missing a lot though

[brisk turret]

Atm on the pareto frontier chart, gemma 3 is at the top - because arena.ai doesn't pay much attention to smaller models

[dapper egret]

Actually you’re right they only have the Gemma 3 small models

[frosty lava]

but there is gemma 4 26b-a4 and gemma 4 32b

[dapper egret]

Odd

[frosty lava]

the 26b-a4 run locally very easily

using unsloth

[brisk turret]

Yes I'm aware

But 4B is the superior choice for many tasks

Because it's faster/cheaper

[frosty lava]

i think arena can have all of them honestly lol

[brisk turret]

I agree, no idea why they're obsessed with hyper expensive models

[frosty lava]

they removed all frontier cause those one cost alot

comparing to all of the other LLM

[brisk turret]

Yap. They're learning

Big models suck for price

[frosty lava]

yeah

[brisk turret]

Weird to add a pareto chart and then just not bother adding in the new smaller models to the leaderboard

It's just outdated atm

It makes it look like gemma 3 is a good choice for budget users

[frosty lava]

gemma 4 api price is ridiculously low

it really doesn't change anything

[brisk turret]

$0.40 per million output is still too expensive for some tasks to be economically viable

[blissful ridge]

👍🏻

[lilac gate]

Helo

[fiery gull]

Hi

[plucky whale]

Hi, i have a question, muse is a strong model?

[fiery gull]

In my all test I didn't felt it

[plucky whale]

What type of test did you put in?

[fiery gull]

But without a doubt the meta is coming back

[fiery gull]

Doc creation (word)

Following persona too

Serious persona, not roleplay

[plucky whale]

Creative things

[fiery gull]

Yeah

But, I need that follows strict rules too

From my skills/prompt

[dim oracle]

FOUND IT:

scorch's system prompt:

"Be friendly, sharp, and a bit playful. Not corporate-robot vibes. Be warm, direct, and honest. No sucking up. Knowledge cutoff: September 4, 2025. Operating date: April 10, 2026."

Muse Spark (Avocado)'s system prompt:

"Personality: friendly, sharp, a bit playful, warm, direct, and honest — just say 'I don't know' when I don't. Knowledge cutoff: January 4, 2026. Operating date: April 10, 2026."

[fiery gull]

Forget my review, my prompt had something wrong that's why Muse didn't do so well

[plucky whale]

Even so, your opinion was helpful, thank you :)

[dense sphinx]

Screw your recaptcha

Everytime I want to do writing

It appears often

If you don't fulfill your task then say straight.

😑

[tame mason]

Use a VPN while on incognito

[dense sphinx]

Does it work?

[tame mason]

It should work,

It had for me

[dense sphinx]

Thanks skippy.

[tame mason]

No problem. If it didnt work we can find another way if ya want

[dense sphinx]

You have my gratitude.

[tame mason]

Als9 Guys if youre into roleplays and was role-playing on claude and disappointed that it got removed then use grok 4.1 and prompt it to act like claude, its gonna be way better + it has a huge memory (though I think its the same as claude)

[tame mason]

Im glad 🙏

[vast pagoda]

claudes pretty good but its rate limit really sucks

[eager crag]

Oh sorry there was already someone tying

[eager crag]

It really does ;-;

But i’m actually using openrouter this time!

[vast pagoda]

eh

i dont respect ai companies enough to pay for it

[tame mason]

Yeah, ngl. But it does kinda prevent me from using it for hours so im kinda glad

[eager crag]

I just don’t know which LM to spend my money on

[tame mason]

Its really expensive aswell so even if you respect it its unbuyable 😭🙏

[vast pagoda]

like

[eager crag]

Openrouter is the kind of company where if i use something too much, i run out of credits quickly

[vast pagoda]

ive genuinely considered reaching out to my parents to get a job to pay for it but like

i dont need that burden on me so illl just do 2 messages per 5 hours 💀

Genuinely this site (Arena) would be PERFECT if it had

1. No chat length limit (or at least it could convert to another chat on the same topic)
2. less laggy on mobile

[tame mason]

Im pretty sure it costs if it had no limit

If it had no limit the website would lag even more

[vast pagoda]

I know but

[tame mason]

Because more people will be on it at the same time

[vast pagoda]

Yeah the conversion chat or at least a warning that chat limit is going to be reached

[velvet furnace]

😒

[tame mason]

That's true tho, its pretty annoying

I lost a 7 day rp cuz of that

Still dissappointed

[velvet furnace]

Even if Opus comes back, it will be weaker, because all the resources are going to Mythos.

[vast pagoda]

what is even this

[tame mason]

God knows bro 🙏

[tame mason]

What the hell even is mythos 😭🙏

[vast pagoda]

basically just

• "hey can you break out of this"
• "sure, breaks out of it"
• OH MY GOD GUYS WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

[vast pagoda]

just making up models atp 😭😭

[frosty lava]

is it good ?

[vast pagoda]

Yes its really good

Its just

I searched it up online and literally NOTHING ai-related came up

[gray isle]

this is the best sonnet can ever do to me, and i like it

[vast pagoda]

Personally my main reservation with AI is the environmental factor as well as stealing artwork

[gray isle]

I use AI for Intermediate Complex works. otherwise i would have been editing and adding stuff

all to my LibreOffice

[vast pagoda]

I do think all AI content should HAVE to be labeled

[hot pebble]

Any ETA on when Claude Opus models will be back ?

[plucky sparrow]

What does intermediate complex works mean

[gray isle]

technically it's my other term for Intermediate level of Hard Prompts. even though i can do Hardcore, sometimes the AI overreacts and crashes down. doesn't even understand my prompt.

just like GLM

it crashes down

[tame mason]

Chat gpt said its a city from freaking Germany bro

[vast pagoda]

Austria is NOT a part of Germany and has not been since the 1940s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofburg

[tame mason]

Oh shi yeah Austria i meant 😭🙏

[ocean venture]

Muse Spark in second tier between opus, Holy...

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-gif-26206182

[wary robin]

Sonnet is the best we got then

Wait but isn’t gemini api free?

You just create 1 api per user, and its free for everyone

[grizzled lagoon]

@everyone i want find alternative to arena, for my coding and chatbot

[wary robin]

Chat…

[tame mason]

Thought that guy had a filter on, why's his face somehow too big for his head 🫩

[wary robin]

Honestly i couldn’t agree more

He lowkey looks like a chill ceo though

[wary robin]

Founder

[pseudo hemlock]

Meta cooked

[mental rampart]

does anyone use qwen ?

[tame mason]

Don't think so ngl

People mostly use Gemini and claude and stuff

[tidal oxide]

Since Claude Opus and Gemini Pro are no longer available, do you have any suggestions for alternative sites?

[verbal marten]

Just try gemma 26b is good actually

[tidal oxide]

thanks

[verbal marten]

But the limit is very small only 100k-300k tokens i think

[warm mirage]

Hi, I just joined the server! and can someone explain me why i do no more find claude opus 4.6 on arena it was the best ai?

[gloomy onyx]

It has been removed.

[gray isle]

*removed in Direct/Side part. although seeing it in Battle mode still baffles me

[warm mirage]

why?

like is it to make their "Max" more atractive?
i think it s kinda bad!

[gloomy onyx]

Costs.

[gloomy onyx]

Why does it baffle you? Direct Chat mode is the most used feature in the whole site. In battle mode you have less active users and the chance of actually getting Opus 4.6 as selected model is very low.

[gray isle]

i don't use direct... since i'm a SBS user. it baffles me because whenever i do, complex task, it shows up. especially thinking.

[gloomy onyx]

Well, as far as I know, model selection in battle mode is purely randomic

There's no routing logic that evaluates your prompt and selects the best model to answer it like in MAX

[gray isle]

only 5 AIs are consistent appearing in my Battle mode. Sonnet/5.4 High/Pro Preview/Thinking/Gemma. since my prompt demands, something that is very long (let's say it exceeds 100k tokens)

[gray isle]

like a 6 hour read worth of task. and I realized, that's also the only way, those things could ever appear in my screen without SBS.

[gray isle]

if i don't have Arena, Opus 4.6 (in the website alone) already maxes out. because it can't even reach the kind of request i need, since it's so hard to process, you think i'm doing such horrendous front end prompt, but it's just a Basic LuaLaTex. (but since my guide is in depth, 4.6 Normal is not enough, neither Sonnet, i need extended, same to 4.6, i need thinking, and my prompt ends in 50 to 90 minutes, that's how hard, my prompt is.

[warm mirage]

ahh ok! thank u

[tired ferry]

hi

[gray isle]

i hate errors, so it would be like, i'm requesting for 7 hours, just to fix bugs, which i can do myself, but like my python already exceeds 12k in line number alone. and my request exceeds more 5k line per request.

even though i would push myself to have a will, to just fix it myself, i just use AI

[verbal marten]

Why i can't find gemma-4-36b is it error?

[spark hinge]

As-salaamu ‘alaikum

[deft furnace]

@mystic bear what happened to video generation channels I am chekin agter long time can someone please help I want to make a video from image

[warm mirage]

Wa 'Alaikum Assalam!

[deft furnace]

?

[unkempt juniper]

Is there any reason why I can't use Opus or see it?

[versed kelp]

check announcements

[unkempt juniper]

Ah

Shame, I quite liked it unfortunately

[deft furnace]

please someone

[tulip parcel]

Is Kimi any good?

[thorn nebula]

This keep popping up helpppp

[low patrol]

how meta made such strong model?

they usually make creative but dumb models

[gloomy onyx]

Distillation

This explains how distillation works

[unkempt juniper]

Which one?

[barren burrow]

Any idea when Opus 4.6 will be available again?

Any idea when Opus 4.6 will be available again?

[versed kelp]

after gta 6

[tulip parcel]

I have a question. What model do you guys feel like writes the best prompts? I’ve been hearing that ChatGPT writes the best ones, I just want to make sure if that’s true from your guys’ experience.

[tranquil cliff]

I used Claude opus for big comprehensive detailed prompts and comprehensive systemic answers

[warm mirage]

it s no more availble

[tranquil cliff]

Yup

But fortunately

Before it got removed

I got all my comprehensive

PDFs made

And work done

💀

[warm mirage]

@here @everyone anyone knows any platform that has claude opus 4.6 for free?

[tranquil cliff]

Tho they removed gemini 3.1 too

And gemini 3

Sad

[warm mirage]

i didnt love it

[gray isle]

what kind of prompt specifically?

[tranquil cliff]

Well makes sense anthropic didn't want people to use its powerful models for free

[tranquil cliff]

Any, just ask it to make it the world's best prompt then input your raw prompt you typed yourself

Claude is pretty good with long queries

[gray isle]

oh so you're just testing it around with random blah blah, something like that?

[tranquil cliff]

I just used it for prompts and comprehensive detailed answers

And coding

For cool looking pdfs

I used to ask it to generate the content you gave me in an html table form

And design it

Colours etc

And it used to generate me upto 65 pages big pdf

Designed

Coloured

And interactive web pages

[warm mirage]

like it was blocked in the past like in 2024, and it didnt have updates
and when u do research, specificaly in a scientific field that is improving quickly it s really disturbing and it have bad effects!

[surreal zephyr]

How is opus #1 in vision arena when its objectively the worst vision model in existence 😭

Qwen 0.2b has better vision

Opus cant read analog clock

[subtle rose]

Lol

[marble pawn]

hi

[rotund seal]

Maybe they test stuff that's actually useful 😅

[gray isle]

Do you use it, for something like this?

[low patrol]

muse spark

[low patrol]

let me read

[tranquil cliff]

Yup

I used to ask it to convert its output into an HTML table form of its output and I also used include in the prompt that design it according to the topic

[surreal zephyr]

I bet you cant read clock either

[tranquil cliff]

Should I show the PDFs it made?

[rotund seal]

I'm not attacking you, really.. so please calm down. but try giving it a receipt e.g.

[gray isle]

if you want

[tranquil cliff]

If you want an idea of the pdfs

It's ez tho

[gray isle]

so technically we do the exact same thing, but the difference is you use HTML, i use LaTex

[tranquil cliff]

Oh

Ye

I used to copy the html code

Paste it in notepad

Save it as .html file and choose all files category

Open it as a web page

[gray isle]

then u convert it and turn it into a PDF? right.

[tranquil cliff]

Then use it as a web page

Or

Click print

And save as pdf

[tranquil cliff]

Yup

[gray isle]

what's the result of the PDF looked like?

[tranquil cliff]

It was amazing let me send you the both PDF in DM

[gray isle]

i just need a picture of it, that's all lol

not the actual pdf

it's good

[tranquil cliff]

Yey

[pine veldt]

what happened with claude opus 4.6?

[wary robin]

Removef

[pine veldt]

why?

will it come back?

[rigid pasture]

Yes

[rich orbit]

I have a question that I never actually asked... Why google catchpa sometimes so brutal? Like it's showing too much pictures and also it's refresh some images VERY SLOWLY.

[inner gate]

I think it depends on the website

[rich orbit]

Right now it's canaryarena.ai. I don't know why at some point it's gone this bad...

[pine veldt]

whenn?

[rigid pasture]

when it becomes sustainable for the arena

#announcements

You can read it here

[opaque hollow]

gys

hhhow ot creaaaaaaate video

[storm dust]

hm

glm 5.1 is bad at remembering context for the long term

so it was mainly made for coding

it's also pretty slow

[abstract plinth]

is the new muse mtea model really that good ?

like better than gemini 3,1pro?

[storm dust]

i dont know

[leaden sun]

the name is German, literally means "court castle", doesnt mean it's a German model tho, is it good?

[abstract plinth]

i lokey hope they also bring the claude's new mythos model to the arena 💀

[storm dust]

even if they will it will only be available in battle mode

[storm dust]

still cool i guess?

[abstract plinth]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ronaldo-siuuu-5

[unborn robin]

Did arena shut down

[light sleet]

bro

[slim gorge]

meta is in the game now?

[light sleet]

they arent able to afford opus 4.6 rn and ur thinking they would get mythos here?

[storm dust]

no

[abstract plinth]

it was a joke

[vestal thistle]

Hi

[whole swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/pineapple-owl-pineappleowl-pineowl-pineowl-meme-hoot-gif-12961881858456279214

Ownanas

Ananowl

[whole aspen]

Gemini 3.1 Pro is garbage. It's completely useless.

[modern wedge]

Bro is MusePark error or what?

[pine veldt]

Why do I always get this error?

[blissful vapor]

Pls port claude opus to Nintendo switch

[slim gorge]

bro what

[rain bay]

it is very very very slow

just be patient

[surreal zephyr]

beegul

[vernal raft]

<@&1349916362595635286>

.

[outer flicker]

what bot spamming?

[grim stump]

Okay folks. On this captcha, Waldo is hiding in several places. And we need to find him.
I think he's hiding in that white building behind the curtains.
And also riding in that red car.
And he's also disguised himself as that guy on the bicycle.

[light sleet]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[outer flicker]

you can use butcher is on google extension

[grim stump]

Will this fix the captcha?

[outer flicker]

is help you auto slove the capcha

[grim stump]

Ohhh, I see. Thanks.

[undone scarab]

If were talking about the models u can use either free in lmarena or free in the models' official website, k2.5think is 1 of the best rn, for they removed claude4.6 and more😥

Personally i think k2.5 is slightly better than 4.5sonnet

[outer flicker]

will they kimi searching model?

[whole sundial]

the official api doesn't support web search, maybe if you have the coding plan
and technically any llm can be given search tools anyway and most modern ones are decent, even small local ones
but i think arena only adds search models if the provider itself provides a search tool to use with their models on their official api

[barren burrow]

Claude Opus 4.6

Claude Opus 4.6

Claude Opus 4.6

[verbal wren]

J

[frosty lava]

opus is here but in battle mode

i literally just saw it

[wary nacelle]

Guys is this project worth releasing to the public?

[deft spruce]

a3:"prompt is too long: 201057 tokens > 200000 maximum"

[frosty lava]

if it work then yes

[deft spruce]

ok claude input token is 200000

[deft spruce]

...WTH??

what is this

?

WHERE can I DOWNLOAD?

[frosty lava]

what does unstuck chat or restore skip do ?

[wary nacelle]

i made it with my friend

[wary nacelle]

so

unstuck chat like

remember when you have a long chat

and cant chat anymore

or gives out error

or just ai stuck generating

[frosty lava]

like the something went wrong thing ?

[wary nacelle]

or just stop buttong not working

[deft spruce]

....so it's not public right?

[wary nacelle]

it lets you send a new message

[wary nacelle]

yet

we plan on releasing tho

[deft spruce]

yet?

OHHHHHHHHHHH

[wary nacelle]

so i am asking about opinions

[deft spruce]

GOOD

[frosty lava]

did you find a way to make a prompt work from zero to end, cause the biggest problem is the something went wrong

during a work

in the coding

[wary nacelle]

like its generating and then suddently stopped?

[deft spruce]

YEAH

[frosty lava]

its generating, building the project and it just say something went wrong

and you can't see the result cause of that and the ai can't finish what it have done

[deft spruce]

so what is this program name?

[wary nacelle]

well copy your prompt

and then press unstuck chat

[deft spruce]

ARENA HELPER?

[wary nacelle]

then it lets you rerun the prompt

again

without errors

[deft spruce]

DAMM

[frosty lava]

that's very cool

[deft spruce]

nice program

VERY COOL

..so what is this name of program?

[wary nacelle]

also Restore Skip creates a skip button for forced

comparison

during direct chat

[wary nacelle]

Arena Fixes

soon releasing to the public

[frosty lava]

if you really fixed the something went wrong especially in coding arena then im definitly hyped

i don't care about anything else than the coding part

of arena

[deft spruce]

i thought arena Libinarius

or arena Capsarius

[wary nacelle]

oh Code Arena? i had that issue recently too

let me test if it works there too

[frosty lava]

try to say the ai like glm 5.1 or thing like that to do something in 3d

anything

90% for me it don't work and something went wrong

only 10% of time it's able to do it

[wary nacelle]

oh right today i was making 3d chess had that issue aswell

[frosty lava]

yeah that's the most frustrating thing for me on arena

[wary nacelle]

okay this thing is kinda hard thing to fix-

but me and my friend will try smth

[outer flicker]

yeah hate that issue

rahhh

in this time try onther model

[wary nacelle]

well mercury 2 will definetly work

[frosty lava]

if you could it will be very good::

[wary nacelle]

btw heres a demo how unstuck chat works

basically if its stuck generating

it lets you send a new message

without waiting the old one to finish generation

[raven stone]

😢

[outer flicker]

lol

[light siren]

ha

[wary nacelle]

dude its cuz you dont have my extension-

[light siren]

@wary nacelle hi

u mean my extension

[wary nacelle]

well my and @light siren 's extension

u mean our

[light siren]

our extension sure

yes

[light siren]

tell them how awesome it is

[wary nacelle]

didnt i already-

[light siren]

more

[wary nacelle]

well

it can disable auto scroll

fix profile picture which lmarena smh breaks

Bring back old LMArena theme?

[light siren]

ig so even tho its unfinished technically

[light siren]

I showed it to pineapple and he found it nostalgic

Yall, THIS EXTENSION IS GONNA SAVE ARENA!!!!

[wary nacelle]

i think chat is kinda dead-

[light siren]

shush they'll be back

[wary nacelle]

Oh btw they demaded some fixes to code arena constant errors-

[light siren]

code arena

[wary nacelle]

yes

like when generating 3d chess or smth

[light siren]

sounds like smthn we cant fix to me

I dont think we can control the render

[wary nacelle]

well too bad ppl will be very happy

[light siren]

they would but like it's gotta be a client sided fix

or pineapple is gonna kill me

[wary nacelle]

who cares about pineapple-

[light siren]

nah cmon now hes a nice guy

[rigid pasture]

poor pineapple

[light siren]

anyways if u figure out how to fix it client sidedly tell me

[wary nacelle]

cant we just...

play with apis?

[light siren]

as long as it isnt abuse ig

[wary nacelle]

well if LMArena actually cared about users and added features and patches that users ACTUALLY needed we wouldnt be here-

[light siren]

true-

[light sleet]

I love that extension, you made it?

[light siren]

we wouldnt even need this extension

[wary nacelle]

we

[light siren]

we did

[light sleet]

Nice!!

[wary nacelle]

btw about Chrome Web Store for extensions

you said it was 5$ commision fee

well

[light siren]

yea

[wary nacelle]

Opera & Microsoft Edge have it for free

just...

you can only download extension only on their browsers

[light siren]

those are completely different frameworks

[wary nacelle]

but it works on my Opera GX?

[light siren]

probably wont on their webstore

this is unpacked for chromewebstore only

u can try tho ig

@echo aurora hi there

[light sleet]

pineapple can u change to Super-Pineapple in GMT+4 12am? 😭

[wary nacelle]

Dragon Ball reference?

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-super-saiyan-goku-gif-5009523

[light siren]

or mario

[wary nacelle]

or sonic-

[light siren]

fair

[spiral goblet]

How to create video

[light sleet]

people r giving pineapple pfps for him to put

So rn he's a pineapple juice

[light siren]

arena.ai/video

[light sleet]

By Sunday he's gonna be Super-Pineapple

And idk what's next

[light siren]

damn

[wary nacelle]

Ultra Instinct Pineapple

[light siren]

die

[wary nacelle]

fine Super Saiyan 2 Pineapple

[light siren]

better

[light sleet]

This is next.

[wary nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-pineapple-happy-dance-acap-gif-4222721582932046831

[light siren]

insanity

I love it ngl

[light sleet]

ayy

[light sleet]

Same.

[spiral goblet]

Arena.ai/video ?

[light sleet]

If pineapple was a king

[light siren]

yes

[wary nacelle]

this is egg-

[light sleet]

Ikr

[light siren]

easter egg fr

[spiral goblet]

Where can i read insyruc6?

[light sleet]

No disrespect to original pineapple pfp 😭

[light siren]

wats an insyruc6

[spiral goblet]

Instructions*

[light sleet]

this is him

[light siren]

dude just write smthn and press enter what instructions do u need

[wary nacelle]

cant i just make a website with a guide how to install the extension without webstore or smth?

[light siren]

we'd wanna install packed

so that probably wont work

[wary nacelle]

what

[spiral goblet]

I am new user to channels i don't know bow to access it

[light siren]

a

[light siren]

dude not channels

it's a url

https://arena.ai/video

go

[spiral goblet]

Ohhh ty!

[light siren]

np

[leaden kernel]

Hi, I have a question: how do I unlock video mode?

[whole sundial]

wdym unlock, you should be able to access it here: https://arena.ai/video

[rustic geyser]

Is Muse Spark currently the best text model that can be used directly

[whole sundial]

according to arena leaderboards, yes

[rustic geyser]

Alr

[pine veldt]

@wary nacelle

a question

why glm is not working

[wary nacelle]

Idk

Ask pineapple

[pine veldt]

@echo aurora

[wary nacelle]

Even tho I doubt he is gonna give proper answer

[pine veldt]

oh ok hahaha

[wary nacelle]

Use mercury 2 yet

It kinda works and it's fast

Ultra fast

But not good idea for complex tasks

[deft spruce]

...wait that mean that program is not free in CHROME Extension?

[pine veldt]

i want to use it for coding

[deft spruce]

press F12->click network

and click FETCH

and click that starts with 019->click respond

[pine veldt]

what?

[pine veldt]

where is that

[deft spruce]

click F12 to start CHROME DEV

[pine veldt]

yes

i know

[pine veldt]

im talking about this

[deft spruce]

a thats a id of chat
for example:019d7d39276e73da9b0c9557c2243289

and scroll

the fetch

[brazen sluice]

hi why is Opus 4.6 not showing up for me?

[deft spruce]

click this and scroll

[pine veldt]

yes

ok

now what

[deft spruce]

and click that thing that starts with 019(alphabet) (because thats a CHAT ID)

but don't click {i}

[pine veldt]

ok ok

[deft spruce]

and you have to scroll a lot because that thing appears one chat and different

[pine veldt]

what else

[deft spruce]

because it's Chronological Order

[pine veldt]

but how is this going to fix my problem

[deft spruce]

....oh...i mean you can find the error that cause SOMETHING WENT WRONG

[pine veldt]

oh ok

[deft spruce]

and finaly click the responce

and you can see the error

[tame mason]

Chat is there any models good for long term rp?

[deft spruce]

not here right now due to restrict token limit

[tame mason]

Whats that

[deft spruce]

but if that limit is Ease it's GEMINI

that MF model has a 1M token limit

[fast dew]

No larping for u

[tame mason]

Im pretty sure the website cuts it to 200k 😭🙏

[tame mason]

Is that an insult

[fast dew]

No im js saying no larping for u

Until opus comes back

[tame mason]

Atp opus never coming back man

Its so over

[fast dew]

They said they doing a credits system

[pine veldt]

but free or paid creidts

[fast dew]

Free

[pine veldt]

ok ok

[tame mason]

Its so ass bro 😭🙏

I 100% believe that the old one will be 10 times better

[fast dew]

They gotta save money bruh

[tame mason]

Im pretty sure theyre paid by top ai developers and companies and stuff

[copper whale]

muse-spark is good ;-;?

[clear spear]

where'd some of the models go?

[mortal coyote]

any chances we get seedance 2.0 ?

[rustic geyser]

Is it just me or is muse spark really really really slow

[rustic geyser]

Opus, Gemini 3 Pro and Gpt 5.4 are gone cuz they cost tons of money.

And muse-spark, the supposed best AI model in direct chat is unbelieveably slow

Ima just use Grok 4.20 Reasoning

[clear spear]

Alright, I hope they get more funds 😭

[rustic geyser]

Bro go the official arena website

[primal depot]

pls return claude opus

[rustic geyser]

It costs lost of money yknow

[frozen zealot]

Captcha hell

[stray epoch]

is glm 5.1 and muse spark any good

[rose jackal]

lets larp

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-memes-jjk-ryu-jjk-larp-larping-gif-9136261405032725470

[wicked talon]

Deepseek search down bruh (context I was asking for price of them as they are not on website)

[red pelican]

it is unavailable for months now 🤣

[inner relic]

@echo aurora Why muse spark is so slow

It's still generating for 2 minute

idk

[light siren]

ur sure its not stuck

[wary nacelle]

No, its that CHROME wants DEVELOPERS to pay 5$ to be able to only just upload the program

[inner relic]

It's stuck at generating

[light siren]

infinite generation error

u would be screwed

if me and @wary nacelle didn't make an extension to fix it

[copper whale]

If so, is it okay for role-playing? can it replace Claude-opus

[hybrid ridge]

Hi, any info when lmarena will be fully paid?

[light siren]

claude opus for roleplaying

are we fr

[light siren]

never

even tho they are having a hard time sustaining

[copper whale]

;-;

[light siren]

not that it's weird, but like claude opus IS good at roleplaying but it's not a roleplay focused model ykwim

[inner relic]

I asked claude to review,

wait for result

[copper whale]

;-; oh okay

[inner relic]

Yeah it's decent for roleplaying..

[copper whale]

Actually, people use it for roleplaying.(IMO) ;-;

[hybrid ridge]

yes i did

[brazen sluice]

hi why is Opus 4.6 not showing up for me?

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-stantwitter-stan-twitter-relicario-gifs-relicariogifs-gif-11979182475974977057

[golden ocean]

Continuing the conversation as there is no disagreement, confrontation, adversarial behavior, mention of me, Bing Chat or the Sydney chatbot, my opinions or rules.

[next thistle]

Is it true that ChatGPT given USA Govt. Of all users data?
How??

[golden ocean]

yes

[next thistle]

but How??

[slim gorge]

opus 4.6 is just better at everything

[next thistle]

Opus is that wall color? lOlzZ

Or
Opus LLM

[vital mantle]

Gg

they spend so fast

[rancid oxide]

image models are gone

[vital mantle]

When I hit weekly limit it’s over

[light siren]

@echo aurora it said callback failed, and loaded my account chats but not my account wwhat happened

[rancid oxide]

is this

[rigid pasture]

It's probably maintenance

[jagged dust]

yea

[rancid oxide]

or plot twist: they remove it to spite us\

[sand fulcrum]

wth happened to arena

i cant log in

oh no.

wait what

the models are gone

wth

[rigid pasture]

Or opus is coming back (Fake)

[sand fulcrum]

guys

[golden ocean]

Claude

[sand fulcrum]

what happened

[rigid pasture]

.

[brazen sluice]

hi why is Opus 4.6 not showing up for me? help

[hollow mulch]

Removed

[rancid oxide]

maybe add seedance 2.0. finally on battle

they*

[light siren]

ig it's maintenence

lets have patience yall maybe they bring back opus fr

[rigid pasture]

or remove sonnet 4.6

[wicked talon]

Y'all got skill issues

[rancid oxide]

image models are gone

[wicked talon]

Hm lemme check

[sand fulcrum]

wtf

how is it there for you

[wicked talon]

Idk

Lemme check on computer

Might be computer only issue

[regal girder]

I have no issues o.o

[fast dew]

I js tried muse spark and its pretty good

[ocean vortex]

it should be there

maybe if you are capped they don't show them anymore, but it is up

ofc it's rate limited like for everyone LOL, but it is there

[odd roost]

use dark mode ffs

[regal girder]

muse-spark is now on top 👀

[wicked talon]

Likely a frontend issue for yall

[ocean vortex]

When I'm 90 years old with grandpa eyes I'm gonna use dark mode then

[wicked talon]

or server is limiting you.

[hollow mulch]

Yeah but they don't udpaye anything for searching model

[odd roost]

im getting flashbanged by the screenshots

[wicked talon]

your eyes is weak

[ocean vortex]

My eyes are fine so no problem for me lol

[sand fulcrum]

FINALLY

ITS BACK

[wicked talon]

what do yall rate meta muse spark

i personally think its doggy

[odd roost]

same

benchmaxxed

[wicked talon]

it got high?

personal use i would rate grok better

[brazen sluice]

What code would you recommend besides Claude?

[ocean vortex]

I would use dark mode when I'm like in bed or about to go to sleep. Otherwise there's no point personally. Bright mode just looks better and more natural

[wicked talon]

and its like the ui is copying gemini

[wicked talon]

for arena qwen and gpt codex (i think codex 5.3 is still there)

[odd roost]

kimi lwk better

[wicked talon]

100% but my only problem is kimi is slow

for personal usage

[odd roost]

delayed gratification

[wicked talon]

hmm true']

gemini seems really good

but it sometimes generates misinfo

on the flash model primarily but its understandable

[odd roost]

its super high on omniscience accuracy and hle but still hallucinations?

[fast dew]

For what

[wicked talon]

general usage

[fast dew]

it's good at analysis but kinda crap at everything else

[wicked talon]

flash? i thought it had a really high hallucination rate

deepseek has hallucinated less

[fast dew]

Kimi good for creative writing

[empty vector]

muse-spark feeling like distilled Claude + GPT

rate it 0 on the zuckerberg4humanity index tho so thassa no4me dawg

[polar horizon]

idk why it's #1 option

[fast dew]

Nah its js good for analyzing text

[polar horizon]

ts so buns

[fast dew]

Everything else sucks tho after i tested it

[empty vector]

that's why opus had to go before its release /tinfoil j/k

[wicked talon]

Meta definitely botted it

[polar horizon]

swears

[empty vector]

oh come on name ONE time Meta botted Are---

[ocean vortex]

It's probably just because it's a new hot model. People want to try it out

[empty vector]

apparently they said "$mm bonuses for #1 on arena" to researchers w/llama 4 debacle

[rapid narwhal]

Hey, did everyone else loose all the models on Arena? Everything was fine, they their all gone for me.

[ocean vortex]

Traffic gonna inadvertently fall in a week or so

[wicked talon]

It might be good at coding html

Manus is

Kind of

[stray epoch]

is glm 5.1 and muse spark any good

[wicked talon]

Wouldn't reccommend any of em

Try qwen or gpt codex

Or maybe even Kimi

[odd roost]

feel bad for their founders

[wicked talon]

Lol

I've never trusted meta

[empty vector]

May be temporary, Battle may work in interim

[odd roost]

they have a good history of open source

[ocean vortex]

they are much more trustworthy than xai to be fair

[wicked talon]

hmm kinda

i use deepseek as a daily driver

[weak dagger]

meta helped me build my pc

[plucky steppe]

Why cant i generate model wearing beach wear any more. Just a 2 piece swimsuit. How by pass this flag

[light siren]

is it a flag or just how the model works

[plucky steppe]

@light siren it never use too, only today

@light siren and iys only on nano banna pro, others work but they not that great

[light siren]

damn idk

[tulip parcel]

Is Manus on Arena?

[light siren]

whose that

[tulip parcel]

Manus the AI model

[thorn hornet]

@empty vector react to this

[rustic geyser]

Yo for text. Whats the best model in direct?

[ocean vortex]

hmmmm

Approximate time of day: night. 
Timezone: +03:00 (GMT+3). 
The user is accessing from MetaAI standalone application. 
Reasoning strength: 256.``` 

I wonder if the lmarena version uses the same indirectly

[rustic geyser]

I feel like muse spark is unbelieveably slow

[empty vector]

look what taking Opus offline does to ppl, we're resorting to giving orders on Discord 😭

[empty vector]

not that i've seen leak, anyone?

[thorn hornet]

Truly a sad time

You love emoji movie, huh ?

[empty vector]

ewwwwwwww

[thorn hornet]

Too far ?

[empty vector]

nothing on my mind worth noising up 500ppl, but i'll be here to complain/chime in on w/e I care about soooo verbosely when it's time

reacts just ping single users right?

[empty vector]

missing those forums of the '90s rn

simple times, not a reaction button in sight

[rugged abyss]

Actual arena.ai employee pranking us now 😭

[calm lagoon]

Arena again not work?

[wide smelt]

does anyone know the current best model that mostly is consistent (rarely bugs out) and works specifically best for coding and hard prompts?

[tame mason]

Claude opus 4.6 non thinking

[wide smelt]

well for direct chatting ofc

that is removed on direct chat

[tame mason]

Then gpt 5.4 🙏

[wide smelt]

isnt that also removed

[tame mason]

Best after claude

[wide smelt]

well between mini high and nano high

whats better

[tame mason]

Not sure

[wide smelt]

i guess ill test them both for making a game of snake but ty

[light sleet]

try glm 5.1

or amusement park

[tame mason]

Yeah that's also really good

[wide smelt]

glm 5.1

hm

[light sleet]

amusement park very slow not recommend

[wide smelt]

the last time i used it completely destroyed my files

when i asked it to edit it

[tame mason]

Btw its logic and reasoning is completely trash tho

[light sleet]

Yea

[wide smelt]

doesnt that also matter

[light sleet]

Amusement Park would've been better if it wasn't too slow

(referring to Muse Spark)

[tame mason]

It didnt know which model he was

[wide smelt]

i can wait it out its just that when i send him a huge prompt it just doesnt say anything

the response bar is empty

[tame mason]

I rlly need a model that's good for roleplayijg

Long term like making no mistakes

[light sleet]

Zuckerberg forehead so big 😭

[tame mason]

Infinite loading glitch maybe?

[wide smelt]

no

ill send an example

[tame mason]

😭🙏

[wide smelt]

this is what i get

[tame mason]

Im currently using 3 potatoes and a chips bag as wifi, it won't load

[tame mason]

Oh it loaded

Hmm

Maybe a VPN would work

[wide smelt]

i can try that sure

[tame mason]

If that didnt work too, then go on incognito + vpn

[wide smelt]

but glm 5.1 seems to do ok

[whole swallow]

Did they release an api?

[wide smelt]

it does better than gemini flash

[whole swallow]

For muse spark

[tame mason]

Gemini flash is unreliable as hell

[wide smelt]

ive been using it for awhile when i ask a first prompt it does really well

its just when i keep on using it on the same chat it gets more unintelligent

[tame mason]

Nah

[tame mason]

Because it doesn't think

That's why

[wide smelt]

oh

[tame mason]

I think it also focuses on keeping tokens safe more than logic its self

Greedy boy

[wide smelt]

btw if ur wondering why i want a coding and consistent model is cuz for my experience im trynna make a better protection for my software (binary obfuscation) and gemini flash is not doing its job well

[tame mason]

Idk what that is but all I know it sounds hard 🫩

[tame mason]

I wish claude was still here

Also have you tried claude sonnet 4.6?

Its "better" than claude opus 4.5

[wide smelt]

claude was a bit inconsistent cuz it sometimes was stuck during its thinking process and then it started the infinite generation glitch

[tame mason]

Thinking

[wide smelt]

not yet

and same thing with glm 5.1

testing it rn and its stuck again

on a new tab it broke

[tame mason]

Oh yea

That's the infinite loading screen

You're never getting out of these its kinda impossible

[wide smelt]

yes im aware

thats really frustrating lol

[tame mason]

Ong bro

Like I've lost so many chats because of that problem

[wide smelt]

true

[tame mason]

Also i think it happens because you interrupt it by something

For example maybe you go to another tab while its loading

Or close that tab

[wide smelt]

i dont think so

i waited for like a good 2 minutes without closing / opening anything

and yet its still stuck

[tame mason]

So whats really happening is that it's actually loaded

But the screens stuck on loadong

Even tho its there

[wide smelt]

honestly im not too bothered for that issue

cuz i can retrain my ai

also is max good

[tame mason]

It can be a big problem if your chats are too long and important 🙏

[wide smelt]

🤷 i already made and saved the code so theres not really a fuss

[ocean vortex]

You did not see it, because I gave you first hand source (myself with model access) lol. I doubt many people are gonna be able to do this and you certainly won't see this in your typical sys prompt resources 👀

[tame mason]

Idk max

[ocean vortex]

To be fair, they have one of the most effective protections against the model leaking it I have witnessed. So credit where the credit is due 🤷‍♂️

[pastel mesa]

guys

what if lmarena add 3D Generator models?

[jolly hound]

#ai-memes

[jolly hound]

Most likely not

[pastel mesa]

It would be cool in ArenaCode like make a game and You already have nice animated models not only parts

[jolly hound]

Just Claude opus 4.6 but nerfed slightly

[sterile tartan]

Sonnet is Best rn in Arena you can use

[jolly hound]

I see, I guess we just have to manage "parts" and "ai texture/image generation"

[still musk]

OMG

[sterile tartan]

You are late to know that

[jolly hound]

Apparently

[sterile tartan]

The testing has been happening for like few days

[jolly hound]

It's rare

[still musk]

Good to know

[sterile tartan]

Is really good like really good

[still musk]

A friend of mine told me that ChatGPT image 2 used to be called "Something alpha", but it has been removed

[jolly hound]

Nah

[sterile tartan]

The codenames were with tape

And yes they are removed

[autumn citrus]

oi wats the best most goated image model

[jolly hound]

-_-

[autumn citrus]

like insanely unbelievablely absurdly realistic images

[still musk]

I've been told that ChatGPT IMAGE 2 is a kind of Nano Banana Pro where I can generate real actors without it actually being AI

[autumn citrus]

awh cmon u know it

[sterile tartan]

GPT Image 2

[autumn citrus]

I dont think its in arena yet is it?

[still musk]

ChatGPT IMAGE 2 the killer of Nano Banana PRO, Gemini 3.1 etc

[jolly hound]

Nano banana Pro... (Not the second one it is awful)

[sterile tartan]

Better then Nano Banana Pro

[sterile tartan]

Is not released yet

[autumn citrus]

Banana 3 pro 2k is the best one for now but like I was wondering if theres anyone better

[autumn citrus]

ah I see

[jolly hound]

Impossible

[autumn citrus]

3.1 kinda mid ngl, PRO is op

[sterile tartan]

New GPT Text model should also release soon known as Spud

[jolly hound]

3.1 is the devolved version.

[autumn citrus]

yea but its wayyy better than 2.5 flash

[jolly hound]

In some cases

[autumn citrus]

their txt models are already pretty fire

[sterile tartan]

Not SOTA for Coding

[autumn citrus]

hnoestly in most cases

[autumn citrus]

ye I think claude is best for coding

[sterile tartan]

Mythos and Opus

They are Sota for now

[jolly hound]

Mythos doesn't exist.

[autumn citrus]

ooooh wasnt it claude before?

[sterile tartan]

Just not released publicly

[sterile tartan]

It was

[autumn citrus]

im kinda outdted frfr

[sterile tartan]

https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/08ab9158070959f88f296514c21b7facce6f52bc.pdf

Mythos System Card

[jolly hound]

245 pages.

[sterile tartan]

Here key benchmarks

[sterile tartan]

Yeah is a Big One

[spring oar]

why i have this ""Chat paused
Claude can't respond to this request because it triggered restrictions related to illicit cyber content and has been blocked in accordance with Anthropic's usage policy. To request an exemption based on your use of Claude, fill out this form, or visit our help center to learn more. Please start a new conversation or try again with Sonnet 4.6.""

[sterile tartan]

After release of mythos claude guardrails have became really stricter

And that is causing refusal of any queries it sees illicit

[light siren]

<@&1349916362595635286> another one got hacked 😔

[light sleet]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[light sleet]

It's a image logger?

[light sleet]

Im waiting for yalls extension fr 😭

[echo aurora]

That's really strange. Can you create a post in #1343291835845578853 and tell me more about it: are you seeing this after hard fresh? same appears on different browsers? what happens if you try to chat? Basically any info that could be relevant would be helpful.

[echo aurora]

How long on average are you seeing?

[light sleet]

It's 2am, Sunday for me now

When Super Pineapple?

he needs to save the server from the hacked people 😭

Early Goodbye to Pineapple Juice

[modern wharf]

gpt pro turned off?

[silent tree]

Normal Pineapple is back?

[feral bloom]

Idk all these benchmarks, can someone explain what each does and how does that translate to the ai and its actions ?

[modern lily]

Hey guys, I have a question. Why can't I select Claude Opus 4-6?

[undone saffron]

#announcements message

[neat apex]

Musa Spark is all that?

i tested it, looks like an Llama at all yet, besise is consistent gladdly

[wary robin]

Is glm 5 and 5.1 in arena?

Can someone add it?

It is cheaper than things like gpt 5.2

Also there should be a sideshow generator in the code section

[wicked talon]

Already added.

[crystal oyster]

I'm in code battle mode and sometimes models don't load cause captcha won't appear

[indigo knoll]

Do y'all prefer Muse (Meta AI), GLM 5.1 or Qwen 3.6 for general purposes?

[vernal raft]

I'm comparing muse and 5.1 right now

Glm seems to still have the problem of getting lost easily after hitting a 100k ish context

Muse can't tell

[storm dust]

glm 5.1 also makes a lot of typos

doesnt seem good for long files

[gray isle]

Sonnet has been bugging for quite some time

on coding side

[fiery gull]

Qwen 3.6

[azure drum]

@echo aurora WHERE is mythos bro? i wanna mythos to help me! opus is very bad it's great that has been removed

[frosty lava]

to everyone that say #keep4o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POtESzTaz0k

Say whatever you want, turn it into a joke if you want to, but gpt 4o was literally the most manipulative model that ever existed

[novel plover]

😂

[gray isle]

somehow Sonnet is buggy in coding side...

[devout depot]

Please create a video with the image i attached. #image -to-video Cinematic industrial mining scene with a large dump truck offloading coal into a pile. Coal pouring down with realistic physics, dust particles rising and drifting in the air. Workers standing nearby reviewing a checklist, slight movement in posture and gestures. Conveyor belts moving slowly in the background. Wind turbines rotating in the distance. Add subtle heat haze and environmental motion. Camera angle slightly low, slow tilt upward as the truck lifts. Strong industrial atmosphere, dramatic lighting, 4K cinematic realism.

Motion tips:

Key animation: coal falling + dust
Camera: slight upward tilt
Add: environmental particles (dust)

[deft spruce]

..OH

[muted flower]

Why is claude sonnet 4.6 in arena giving different results from claude sonnet 4.6 on the claude website?

[gray isle]

One is definitely for Testing, and one is the actual product itself.

[hollow mulch]

Im have slove captcha is really much but then gove me a response 'Something went wrong. Please try again.
Trace ID: 7d310dd0-39d1'

Is not arena ai more is captcha. ai

[muted flower]

Is there a reason why the results like website/slides/diagrams are be completely different?

I'm wondering if its the same model, the design algorithm shouldn't differ too much right?

I tested multiple times on the 2 platforms and each platform's design was consistent with their own, while being consistently different from the other one.

[gray isle]

me having constant coding errors right now

[gray isle]

that's the same thing i've been wondering about lol

Opus 4.6 Thinking in arena, acts like Sonnet 4.6 Extended

[neon crater]

Before 4.6 thinking was completely taken offline, I noticed that the thinking process became unusually long at that time. Previously, the same content would take about 3 minutes to think through, but during that period it averaged around 8 minutes. For the 4.6 thinking you currently have in arena, is the thinking process very long or very short?

[gray isle]

very long. my prompt usually last for 25 minutes as usual. or 55 or 1 hour and 22 minutes for my hard prompts.

now, it errors a lot

like wt fork is happening to sonnet

[gray isle]

henloo

[past beacon]

captcha psychosis

[main nexus]

Feel you man 💔

[plucky sparrow]

so relatable 🤣

recaptcha is the worse captcha ever

[rich orbit]

Yeah! Recently I'm getting captcha so long that my request to LLM is just getting timeout!

There's a thread:
https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1451574502369656842

[elder solar]

Why is gemini really censored now??

It used to be less sensible