general

[native flame]

I remember it used to be kinda that way before the rebranding

[plucky sparrow]

but why would they do that if the answer is actually good?

[atomic lagoon]

Because they get another answer

[honest verge]

You don't lose them because they disappear when you open this model

[red chasm]

And how much longer do we have to wait for at least GPT 5.4 to return?

[storm dust]

ban

[plucky sparrow]

yes, but they also lose the good answer model

[icy ice]

is gpt-5.4 better than sonnet-4.6?

[atomic lagoon]

?? Wdym

Oh well yea but then it moves to another model that could be better

[red chasm]

It depends on the person.

[plucky sparrow]

or worse

[atomic lagoon]

So?

People will still abuse it just to abuse it

[plucky sparrow]

so you have an incentive to vote for the better answer. there's no easy way to abuse it

[icy ice]

when I do a side by side/battle its usually both are good. there's very few cases where one is clearly better. i dont know if it actually helps arena if you do that

[plucky sparrow]

sure, you can say 'both suck' and keep cycling through hoping to get a better model, but it may never com e and youi're wasting a lot of time

[icy ice]

i try to evaluate the answer and pick one is better but there are many times I dont know enough to say that

[plucky sparrow]

and you won 't know if you cycled away opus 4.6 thinking, until you say both suck, but then you already lost it

[icy ice]

yeah i dont do the cycling with both are bad. it seems like a waste of their compute resources

[plucky sparrow]

i wish that was my result, i find 60% of the answers are bad 😄

[icy ice]

this is already a free service thats hurting and losing money

[icy ice]

what do you use it for?

[plucky sparrow]

different tasks

[echo aurora]

Sorry to say we don't have an ETA on this yet

[plucky sparrow]

research questions, generate a webpage, generate some code, what does this error code mean, etc.

[icy ice]

also a suggestion for people - grok isnt that bad at a lot of research/code tasks, i find it produces concise answers that work

[echo aurora]

I wouldn't describe it like we're "hurting", we're planning for the long-term

[red chasm]

Sorry for the ping, but I still want to ask:
And approximate dates can be given?
For example... The end of this week?

[icy ice]

people dont use grok but it has much higher usage limits, either here or on grok.com

[plucky sparrow]

i liked grok 4.0/4.1 better

4.2 seems nerfed for search

[icy ice]

it has a very different way of thinking and sees less over engineered

[echo aurora]

Yeah sorry I just don't have an estimated answer I can give you

[plucky sparrow]

what are you using it for? what type of questions?

[red chasm]

Well, we'll wait until they tell us at least approximately about the timing.

[icy ice]

eg researching a new topic and getting suggestios. writing quick apps to do stuff

[plucky sparrow]

what topic? what language apps ?

and how simple are these quick apps?

[icy ice]

app - web/python. eg i am working on a catalog app in which i can store stuff i own, files on disk etc

[plucky sparrow]

and it's one-shotting with success? interesting

[icy ice]

im not a vibecoder so i know the tech involved, so i can ask it detailed prompts

[plucky sparrow]

which grok model are you using?

[icy ice]

im bad at ux and design, so i will probably end up using some of the coding tools. arena is just for quick design research

[plucky sparrow]

in that case, that explains it, python is probably the easiest model for LLMs but it still makes mistakes in architecture, but since you're asking it very specific architecture and using python, basically any model with sufficient training data will work for you

[icy ice]

i also want to use ai to ask about my taxes but i dont think its a good idea because of the privacy issues, but local llm arent possible for me to run

[echo arch]

The problem is, by the time you fix the problems, people will already be gone...

Please include at least 2/3 important models, not that you remove them all and leave the worst ones to the Users...

[icy ice]

but they have such different answers when I ask for a design

[plucky sparrow]

design?

also which grok 4.2 are you using?

[echo aurora]

It's our hopes and intent to bring the models back to direct and side by side

[icy ice]

i mean design spec/architecture. eg with using python as language and sql backend

i am using grok-4.2, either thinking or normal

[honest verge]

Imagine using ai when a Socrates comes up to you and asks "If Ai is your power what are you without it?"

[plucky sparrow]

i mean the same can be said about most modern living

if your job is social media, what are you without the internet?

[glacial swan]

Hi everyone, I’d really like to hear your thoughts on this. I’ve done quite a deep analysis myself, and I have a lot to say and ask.

Given the recent changes and restrictions on the Arena, I’ve had to switch to other services over the past few days because using the Arena has become almost unbearable due to all the limits and cuts.

However, I’ve noticed something interesting. When I use the same Nano Banana 2K on other platforms, even on the original and most official Gemini, the image quality and accuracy are noticeably worse compared to the Arena.

This makes me wonder: is it possible that models on LM Arena are somehow enhanced or fine-tuned to perform better? Because I genuinely don’t understand how the same model, used in the same way across three different sites, produces consistently poor results everywhere else, but significantly better results on the Arena.

So my question is: do LM Arenas apply any additional modifications or optimizations to the models? And if so, why does this difference in quality happen?

[plucky sparrow]

arena.ai uses the api directly, gemini app nerfs it some

the gemini app harness is sort of terrible

you'd be likely better off using one of the third parties that offer it

cause they have to use it direct api, most likely

[glacial swan]

But which ones exactly? I'm ready to pay, as long as the result is identical to what I get on LM Arena. So far, I haven't found a single service that matches it. Take something as simple as text within an image: on LM Arena, it comes out without distortions or defects, but on other sites, everything looks 'dumb' and 'plasticky' somehow, full of artifacts and 'AI-slop'

[plucky sparrow]

what else have you tried besides gemini.google.com?

[glacial swan]

Flow
Google AI Studio
Poe
Telegram bots

[plucky sparrow]

poe i'm a bit suprised at, flow is basically google harness

have you tried from aistudio.google.com?

[calm lagoon]

Which telegram bots

[glacial swan]

Yes , But why does it work without any distortions there [on LM Arena]? To be honest, I haven't tried the paid version in AI Studio yet, but I have a feeling the result will be exactly the same

[edgy magnet]

yo um wheres the channel where i can turn my photo into a video clip im not seeing it can anyone help me

[gentle crag]

I feel strange among so many people who speak English.

[echo aurora]

The Video Arena Discord bot has been removed from the server. You can find Video Arena on our site here: https://arena.ai/video More information can be found in this announcement about the removal of the bot.

[astral blaze]

wow what happened to the direct models

Might as well just cut the whole mode

[gentle crag]

Why?!

[honest verge]

Imagine using ai when a Socrates comes up to you and asks "If Ai is your power what are you without it?"

[astral blaze]

They got rid of the models people use the most it seem

At least image look fine

[desert pendant]

dude

[digital eagle]

Oh my god, there's already a reference to Socrates here.

He is everywhere.

[desert pendant]

i think that arena isn't gonna last until 2027 rn

[plucky sparrow]

depends what youi mean by last

[gentle crag]

Ah, Claude Opus? That was the one I used the most

[desert pendant]

be still used

[digital eagle]

It seems that's exactly right. Strange.

[desert pendant]

they could've keep Gemini atleast

wait

[digital eagle]

Yeah

[desert pendant]

why don't they remove the worst models?

???

[plucky sparrow]

i'd im agine it won't have half as many users unless they bring back some of the top models or better ones

[desert pendant]

[plucky sparrow]

but, i don't know about dead

[desert pendant]

dude

there is no reason to keep paying for those bad models

[plucky sparrow]

cause they're cheap/nearly free to run 😛

and it helps them with their stats on their leaderboard

[digital eagle]

I don't think Grok is as good as the ones that were removed.

[desert pendant]

Grok sucks wdym

[digital eagle]

But that's what we have.

[plucky sparrow]

they can be like "we've tested over 500+ models! and we host 100+ models on our site!"

[echo aurora]

For clarity the recent removal of some models was only from Direct and Side by Side, this change doesn't have an effect on Battle and the leaderboards

[desert pendant]

👀

[digital eagle]

What are the chances of me getting the opus in the battle? 😥

[gentle crag]

I was making up a story with Claude Opus in direct mode, well, one is an understatement, 300 minimum XD attention deficit

[plucky sparrow]

ty, but can we have more than just 2 models in battle mode? that would be helpful, at least to me, when both answers are bad a lot

[gentle crag]

1/86 400 000

[digital eagle]

lol

[desert pendant]

and we are back to 2023 - 2024

[echo aurora]

Changes to Battle could happen. There are some interesting ideas for how this can be done. Expanding the number of responses, or some kind of "king of the hill" mode. There are some creative ideas we're kicking around

[rough heath]

Direct mode has removed a lot of top-tier models.

[desert pendant]

how arena feels right now

[storm dust]

[digital eagle]

Only with the landfill

[icy ice]

guys remember this is a free service that gives you access to a ton of premium models. there is really no reason to complain about removal of models. try to complain to openai or anthropic about how they keep reducing limits

[storm dust]

how pineapple feels right now

🧃🍍

[digital eagle]

I hope Opus returns before stage 2 sbr

[plucky sparrow]

what's stage 2 sbr?

[pseudo hemlock]

can max route to opus?

[digital eagle]

Steel Ball Run dude

[storm dust]

sir i dont know

[pseudo hemlock]

bruh

[gentle crag]

God

[digital eagle]

You know, friend

[gentle crag]

I've just started it; I recently finished Stone Ocean, and someone gave me the SBR manga.

[storm dust]

definitely gemini

[honest verge]

Anthropic should make 500$ subscription Max+ with access to mythos

[digital eagle]

With the pro model you can only send two messages.

[storm dust]

hell nah

[digital eagle]

Hell yeah

[gentle crag]

I can't use Gemini XD, damn country!

[storm dust]

ban

[digital eagle]

What place do you live in that doesn't have Gemini available? Excuse my language.

[honest verge]

The only country I know is Russia

[gentle crag]

Cuba

[digital eagle]

Okay...

[gentle crag]

XD

[honest verge]

Oh

[digital eagle]

:⁠-⁠|

[digital eagle]

?

[storm dust]

i call my dad to ban you

[digital eagle]

Oh, sorry man.

[gentle crag]

I need a VPN for almost everything, even Lmarena needs a VPN.

[storm dust]

you hurt my feeling

[honest verge]

Anthropic should make Max ultra subscription 1000$ WITH 2X ACCESS TO MYTHOS

[storm dust]

you over

[digital eagle]

My apologies.

[storm dust]

leha i am going to crack your back

[honest verge]

What...

[storm dust]

over

[celest kettle]

hello guys .. where can i chat a support team ?

[gentle crag]

Nah, don't worry, I'm used to it.

[honest verge]

Chat BM

He will help you

[digital eagle]

If I were you, I'd be careful XD

[storm dust]

#ask-here

wai

wait

[agile wharf]

why is arena removing models like cluade 4.6 and gemini

[storm dust]

you can also ping the moderator role for support but only if it is important

[digital eagle]

That's what we all want to know, my friend.

[gentle crag]

Money?

[honest verge]

Cluade?

[agile wharf]

yh they removed cluade opus 4.6

[digital eagle]

It's just a mistake, poor thing.

[storm dust]

i got my own clouds

[celest kettle]

i tried , My chat hit the max length and I can’t continue it. It’s important for my project 😅

Any way to keep using the same chat or fix this? delete the first half of it or something ?

[storm dust]

fare im not mod but i can answer that

no you cant

[digital eagle]

I was in a chat room of mine that only used Opus, so this happened. Maybe I'll be away from the chat for a long time.

[storm dust]

at least yet if i am correct

[honest verge]

Is this new anthropic model

Cluade 4.6

[echo aurora]

I'd start with using #ask-here as it'll be able to answer most questions, if the bot isn't helpful, ping me in the same thread

[honest verge]

Bro what are you talking about

[storm dust]

pineapple fare needs your help

[honest verge]

Do you need any help?

[digital eagle]

Calm down, Leha.

[storm dust]

that funny i already got clouds that help me

[storm dust]

cloud

[feral kernel]

this might be the worse day of Arena 💔

[storm dust]

i like being near with my beloved clouds

[desert pendant]

[digital eagle]

[desert pendant]

this is kinda funny

[storm dust]

yes thats exactly where they are

[celest kettle]

i tried 😅

[storm dust]

on here

[digital eagle]

Yeah, Pochita

[desert pendant]

wait THERE IS

A V4 FOR DEEP SEEK?

IM TESTING THIS THING OUT

[quartz light]

new arena model!! ernie-image

[desert pendant]

the model no one knows

[digital eagle]

Still without an opus...

[storm dust]

seriously?

[quartz light]

well its https://ernie.baidu.com

[fast dew]

Is it any good

[desert pendant]

yes

[quartz light]

it JUST released

the minute i said it did

[fast dew]

O

[digital eagle]

Huh

[storm dust]

ai week 🥀

[honest verge]

I'm trying

[honest verge]

So you're basically in the sky right now?

DDDDDDDDDDD

[desert pendant]

uh no

[honest verge]

What?

Deepseek v4?

Is it finally here?

[digital eagle]

Ernie

[storm dust]

no i got two robots near me they are robots that i call clouds 🤖 🤖

[honest verge]

Oh

[desert pendant]

deep seek v4 early acess

[digital eagle]

Ernie...

[quartz light]

ernie-image is in direct chat

so test it

[honest verge]

Who even uses this?

[agile wharf]

are there alternative to arena ai

[honest verge]

When you can use Gemini flash image 2.0

[celest kettle]

sorry guys its my first time using it .. so there is no way to continue in the same chat ? should i give up ?

[digital eagle]

Hmmmmmm

[quartz light]

bro

[agile wharf]

are there

[desert pendant]

Yet not

[quartz light]

it just released

[agile wharf]

are there alternative to arena ai

[honest verge]

It's a SOTA image generator

[echo aurora]

Can you ping me in that same thread?

[pseudo hemlock]

hi

[dense sphinx]

Opus again gone 😕

[storm dust]

it was better if i didnt talk about clouds

[agile wharf]

are there alternative to arena ai

[quartz light]

i asked ernie-image for a rubiks cube with a mirror reflecting it

[pseudo hemlock]

too expensive man

[storm dust]

what a nonsense i made up lol

[desert pendant]

ok so

guys

[pseudo hemlock]

whats up kenny

[gentle crag]

Gratis no creo

[digital eagle]

What????

[desert pendant]

i will test deep seek v4 right here

[honest verge]

Cursed

[pseudo hemlock]

ok lets see it

[quartz light]

but its really fast, instant it seems like

[honest verge]

Cool if it's really deepseek v4!

[echo aurora]

I kinda like it tbh

[agile wharf]

are there alternative to arena ai

[pseudo hemlock]

yea, the provider's websites

[desert pendant]

it's an early acess so i don't expect too much tbh

[digital eagle]

Don't delay, pochita

[agile wharf]

what are they, u know

[storm dust]

please dont get sad but i have to say it

canaryarena.ai

[quartz light]

I prompted "roblox" not really roblox but looks cool i guess lol

[pseudo hemlock]

anthropic, gemini, grok, chatgpt, qwen

are the top 5

i think

[agile wharf]

that are free

[pseudo hemlock]

well

[desert pendant]

im gonna use Roblox cuz it's the easiet option

[pseudo hemlock]

they're all sorta free

nothing is 100% free

[desert pendant]

-# too lazy to install godot rn

[digital eagle]

Tell me what it is, man.

[pseudo hemlock]

smol

[agile wharf]

bro i am asking you'=

[digital eagle]

Oh...

I don't know either...

[agile wharf]

bruh

[digital eagle]

😥

[quartz light]

text is good!

[desert pendant]

wish me luck

[pseudo hemlock]

is ernie new?

[echo aurora]

crisp

[pseudo hemlock]

eh, i could do that ||joke||

[desert pendant]

gemini can do something like that

[quartz light]

I believe so, their last image model wasnt really announced and used ernie 4.5 as base

[desert pendant]

-# his text is normal too

ernie doesn't look so boring

[pseudo hemlock]

?

[quartz light]

prompt was just "donald trump"

[digital eagle]

LoL

[desert pendant]

you should try pineapple

with glasses

[quartz light]

good idea

[pseudo hemlock]

ask it to make this

[digital eagle]

All that was missing was for them to put a demonic horn on it, since it's from China XD

[pseudo hemlock]

dont ask where i found this

[desert pendant]

WHY THEY DID TURN PINEAPPLE INTO JUICE

NO

[quartz light]

google definitely

[pseudo hemlock]

iykyk

[quartz light]

=)

[desert pendant]

we just asked for a pineapple with glasses

not a whole background

holy

[pseudo hemlock]

has anyone tried realistic image edits?

[echo aurora]

oh hello

[pseudo hemlock]

i want to edit a pic to make it look good for my linkedin lol

wondering which model to use

[desert pendant]

try this new model nick is showing to us and gemini

[pseudo hemlock]

gemini > openai's image edit?

[desert pendant]

yeah

[pseudo hemlock]

i will try

[desert pendant]

(for what i used definitly)

[pseudo hemlock]

thank u frend

[desert pendant]

no problem, i hope i help you

[gentle crag]

I usually use image AI more for editing than creating images; I'm lazy.

[fast dew]

Idk this model kind of sucks bro

[pseudo hemlock]

which

[fast dew]

The ernie one

[pseudo hemlock]

i mean its their first image model

[fast dew]

O that makes sense

[desert pendant]

for a first image model, it's kinda good

[pseudo hemlock]

put me in a room with some paper and a pencil

ill do better

[quartz light]

@echo aurora i tried

[desert pendant]

put me

in a room

with nothing

and i will do nothing

• not me

[pseudo hemlock]

pineapple

[quartz light]

is this ernie image?

[pseudo hemlock]

gemini and openai

[desert pendant]

im making the second one my pfp

[pseudo hemlock]

ok

[quartz light]

ernie image only allows text input so i had to specify every detail

clear glass filled with yellow liquid, floating green pineapple stem emerging from top of glass. lime slide on the rim, yellow and white striped straw sticking out. two black paper circle eyes and a pink 90 degree rotated 'D'-shaped paper smile decal on the front. cartoony 3d render style.

[pseudo hemlock]

ernie keeps giving me errors

[quartz light]

same

but i just retry

ernie-image!!!

[pseudo hemlock]

W

thats good

[desert pendant]

peak

guys which fruit do yall like?

[somber pagoda]

we should have a shareable link for chat

[pseudo hemlock]

most of them

[somber pagoda]

^

[desert pendant]

too, my favorite is avocados

[pseudo hemlock]

besides avocados

i dont like

[desert pendant]

[quartz light]

im allergic to most fruit and veg 😅

[pseudo hemlock]

NOOOOOO

thats so sad

[desert pendant]

damn gpt cooked

peak edit

[quartz light]

ernie better trust

[desert pendant]

let me test ernie here

oh ernie can't edit

[quartz light]

yea 😔

[quartz light]

^

[desert pendant]

for a first model it's actually good

[pseudo hemlock]

why am i getting "Which is better" with max and it gives me deepseek v3.2 and 2.5-flash

😭

im using max for a reason bro

[desert pendant]

direct battle purpose is just to annoy ppl at this point bro

🥹

[pseudo hemlock]

pineapple

fix pls good sir

[somber pagoda]

this is cute

I like it

https://giphy.com/gifs/creative-courage-trump-gop-sucks-I3WAJgc0J61Xxkff5o

[desert pendant]

ok gemini actually cooked too?

[pseudo hemlock]

why B&W

[desert pendant]

testing stuff with gemini

[pseudo hemlock]

o

[quartz light]

@echo aurora ^

but also im gettin errors with ernie often, can you ask team to look into it? thx :)
a95f44b5-3457

[pseudo hemlock]

same

i tried like 3 times and didnt work once

[quartz light]

019d6fdd-17ed-790b-8f01-97bfa521b778

yall ernie image is gone

@pseudo hemlock @desert pendant

RIP ernie image

[desert pendant]

THEY TOOK MY "why they don't remove the worst models" TOO LITERAL

NO

[quartz light]

nvm its back

[desert pendant]

oh

jeez

[quartz light]

🎉 lololol

[desert pendant]

wait

they added a new option to deep?

THEY READ WHAT I SAID?

NO WAY

🥹

[radiant hollow]

Anyone experiencing this also?

[quartz light]

wait wdym

[pseudo hemlock]

ai final boss

nanogpt, arena, claude, chatgpt

[quartz light]

i asked ernie image for gta 6 gameplay footage

[pseudo hemlock]

DAAAAMN

ernie cooking

[radiant hollow]

I don't understand, I'm just coming back after 3 days

[pseudo hemlock]

dont worry, im just messing around

[desert pendant]

look

[pseudo hemlock]

supposedly expert is their new model

MAYBE v4

[quartz light]

you should use sonnet 4.6

not 4.5

[desert pendant]

v4 is expected to be released around 2 weeks

-# expected not true tho

[quartz light]

oh they added this 2 days ago i think

[pseudo hemlock]

smol

hi

[radiant hollow]

Thanks. I just tried the one I saw atop the list earlier, it's working now

[barren burrow]

Nns

[desert pendant]

THIS LOOK GOOD WHAT

caps lock mb

deep couldn't even do something like that in just 2 prompt

🥹 kinda liked the result

[indigo knoll]

Made with which model

[desert pendant]

deep seek

(original website)

[viral notch]

hard to believe that deepseek is totally free. been using it and i dont see any paid options

is it being ran for competition reasons or what?

[storm dust]

free?

[viral notch]

from what i can see

[storm dust]

interesting

[pallid crypt]

is that in html or through roblox studio

[storm dust]

hm but arena's leaderboard shows that it does waste money

[radiant hollow]

I just started a new chat and usage limit has been exceeded after a prompt now I'm being asked to start a new chat, wtf is going on with arena

[echo aurora]

Nailed it

[echo aurora]

Depending on the prompt it may already exceed the context limit

[radiant hollow]

But it wasn't like this before, you guys keep reducing value

[echo aurora]

Limits can change over time, but I'd note that the context limits haven't been changed since ~2 weeks ago

Unclear what you mean by "before" though

[faint epoch]

finally realized making almost every model available to be accessed by everyone with almost no guards is unsustainable

[echo aurora]

Would not context limits have always been in place, but recently a unique error message was added so it's more clear when this happens

[faint epoch]

think they used to be substantially higher though

[radiant hollow]

Because you're just a bot, you guys should just restore things as it used to be

[floral canyon]

tbh providing the newest models for free was never gonna be sustainable long term unless they get massive funding

i think most of us suspected it's not gonna last forever once the site grows

[radiant hollow]

But they removed the newest ones already

[echo aurora]

YEah that's true

[floral canyon]

yes

but this site is like 3 years old

[echo aurora]

Not a bot

[radiant hollow]

Anyhow, it's free to use.

[floral canyon]

I' m happy gemini 2.5 pro is still here

[fathom basin]

arena does not seem to be able to create AI videos that is vertical. anyone knows how to solve this? or any other software/programs that can do this?

[radiant hollow]

Ohh, my bad

But I'm frustrated with everything

[floral canyon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/RespectiveCollective-side-eye-cute-cat-fluffy-GAXXHdS0zXawVLOJLY

[floral canyon]

this you ?

[radiant hollow]

Lol, maybe worse

I really have projects to work on and I'm just sitting here seeing different problems

[echo aurora]

I'm sorry to hear that, we looking to make changes and improvements to give Arena users more control over what models they'd like to use.

[floral canyon]

are you a student? maybe your school/uni has free access to newest google models

[fathom basin]

Any way for Arena to create videos that are vertical instead of just horizontal?

[radiant hollow]

I hope a solution comes soon

[radiant hollow]

Yes, does my school even use AI? No

[echo aurora]

This was reported to the team, looks like a bug. Thanks for the flag

[echo aurora]

There is not a settings sorry to say

[fathom basin]

will you guys look into doing this in the future?

[sterile dust]

What is april26-chatbot2?

Is it Claude Opus 5 Pro/Ultra or Claude Mythos Mini?

It outputs very slow, maybe it's a huge model

[whole sundial]

i believe it's nvidia, probably the 400B Nemotron 3 Ultra model

[median ember]

I want to buy "claude-opus-4-5-20251101-thinking-32k" from somewhere. The responses I received while using it on arena.ai were excellent. Is there an API service I can use similarly? I'm thinking of buying it with cryptocurrency. I couldn't find "claude-opus-4-5-20251101-thinking-32k" on OpenRouter. OpenRouter has "Opus 4.5" but no Thinking mode. Can you recommend a place where I can buy it?

[desert pendant]

as i remember

you can use open router or original claude

[median ember]

I was using "claude-opus-4-5-20251101-thinking-32k" in arena.ai. Would Claude Opus 4.5 or Claude Opus 4.6 in OpenRouter give similar output?
Have you ever bought anything from OpenRouter?
I really like the web interface on "arena.ai". Is there a place where I can use the OpenRouter API in a similar way? Does the API have a feature to remember previous messages?

[whole sundial]

thinking mode is something you select in the chat interface with opus 4.5, it's not a separate model, it will still have thinking

[whole sundial]

it will give similar output because arena uses the same apis openrouter does

openrouter has its own chat interface that you can use your credits in

[median ember]

I usually send 100-150k characters of C++ code and expect a response.

Opus 4.6 and "opus-4-5-20251101-thinking-32k" on arena.ai did this very well. I hope the OpenRouter web interface supports this.

[stray aspen]

guys is this the downfall of lmarena

all the good stuff is gone

[whole sundial]

it should, i don't see any reason why it wouldn't

[median ember]

Sometimes change is good. You never know, you might find yourself even stronger than before.

Opus 4.6 on arena.ai was legendary and great.
Opus 4.6 on antigravity is terrible.

Could you please check if there's a reasoning feature for Opus 4.5 in OpenRouter?

[median ember]

I considered buying it from Claude's own website, but people have left very negative reviews. Even for $25, they only allow you to ask 3 questions and get answers within 5 hours. They say it's bad.

I think what they're offering isn't the API, but the Pro membership.
I think the API is better than the membership.

I don't know much about it either, I'm new and don't understand much about these things.
Thank you all for giving me the opportunity to speak on this platform.

[plucky sparrow]

did you use opus 4.6 or opus 4.6 thinking

[novel geode]

yeah anthropic doesnt have a good reputation on rate limits xd

[whole sundial]

i don't use claude myself, but i imagine you'll get similar value in the api as you would if you bought claude pro, with the extra value that you're not hooked to a sub and there's no rate limit, just be careful not to spend all of your credits

[median ember]

In my opinion, in C++ coding language:

"claude-opus-4-5-20251101-thinking-32k" 10/10

"claude-opus-4.6" 9.6/10

I used most of these in arena.ai.
I couldn't use opus 4.6 thinking because it thought for too long, causing timeouts in arena.ai's responses.

[ocean venture]

Well This issue is getting very complicated, if the Arena team makes a wrong move in this situation, I don't know what will happen next... I hope the Arena development team will soon find a mutually beneficial solution with users that use Arena.ai xd thanks to @echo aurora and other's developer for the hard work onto Arena.ai

[median ember]

Yes, we think alike. Thank you for your answer.

[median ember]

I would like to thank Arena.ai for everything.
It provides a great testing environment for users.
And a powerful and user-friendly platform.
I hope they develop their own AI someday.

[whole sundial]

they kinda already did make their own ai a very long time ago (when it was still part of lmsys), but it's so obsolete now nobody really cares about it
https://huggingface.co/lmsys/vicuna-13b-v1.3

idk if this counts much, but it's the closest arena ever had to its own ai model

[gloomy onyx]

Wasn't Vicuna an already existing model?

[whole sundial]

also the "demo" link i think just takes you to arena now

[whole sundial]

this was back when arena was part of lmsys in its early days, it was as much of a pet project as this was

it's based on llama 2, but it's a finetune

[gloomy onyx]

yeah that's what I meant

it's not a 100% fully custom model

[whole sundial]

true (i think arena itself made some customized models once, let me find those)

[gloomy onyx]

I tried to do something like that once, I ended up re-creating nanogpt.. it's very hard to make one from scratch that's actually good

[whole sundial]

also a finetune (of qwen2 or qwen2.5 i think), but actually made by arena
https://huggingface.co/lmarena-ai/p2l-7b-grk-01112025

[median ember]

I'm going to build a Transformer, embedding project from scratch. I'll partially code it to learn neural networks using artificial intelligence, without using libraries like Torch, TensorFlow, or Pandas.
With 50GB of book data. It should be enough if it can learn grammar rules and respond to everyday sentences.

[stiff goblet]

best AI for editing and writing draft assignments?

[marsh horizon]

probably claude or gemini

[stiff goblet]

any specific models

[marsh horizon]

cant use opus or 3.1 anymore so just use claude sonnet 4-6 or gemini 3 flash

[gloomy onyx]

I guess the issue is not where to find the training data, but rather the computational power needed to train the model on it

I'm not rich, I can't afford to buy an H100

maybe I could rent it, but still..

[thick spade]

is there a paid version of this platform?

[gloomy onyx]

No

[thick spade]

damn

[ocean venture]

but hey, you can donate to this platform if you want it to

[carmine shard]

Muse Spark has this huge DNA from ChatGPT. It replicates even the habitual fallacy (no scotsman) and misreading. Almost like a copy, tbh 🤣
Check it > https://meta.ai/share/Kl4GsILvxAc

[mild spade]

Woaaa what site is this

[mild spade]

Isn't this the ai from Facebook

[carmine shard]

The new model from Meta, yes. It's available in their site and app, but probably not directly in their social media yet

[heady whale]

what website is this

[pseudo hemlock]

Hi

[gray isle]

doing hard prompts again and again 😭

[sullen creek]

/image to vide o

[ivory schooner]

oh,claude opus models
gpt 5.4, gpt-5.4-high
gemini-3.1-pro-preview
oh,claude opus models
gpt 5.4, gpt-5.4-high
gemini-3.1-pro-preview,
I'll wait for you to come back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hollow mulch]

The heck why im got empty response?

[barren burrow]

claude opus

claude opus

claude opus

[plain gazelle]

it's kinda glitchy recently

[vernal meadow]

did they say a reason why they removed all the best models?

[hearty spire]

最近是不是把gemini 3 pro和opu 4.6都移除了

[civic plaza]

I think the cost for them. And to make them better to use without so many errors as they had

Find a way to make them more sustainable

[echo aurora]

Yeah there are going to be limitations and restrictions in place to ensure we’re well setup for reliability and availability sake. It’s our intent to bring those models back to direct and side by side in a sustainable way.

[short sluice]

i wish that there would be an eta though because it just seems like it wont be available forever without one.

i still expect it to be here again by the second half of the year

[echo aurora]

Yeah sorry to say we don’t have one to share

[short sluice]

even if it doesnt come this month i still feel like if it was to be announced it would be announced here and probably next month or june

[echo aurora]

Overall we’re going to avoid giving expected dates unless we’re very confident in that date. Shifting priorities, unexpected variables, etc just make it too difficult to say at this point

[short sluice]

true. the credit system though needs some adjustments definitely, but with it i think frontier models will come back faster. again people were saying that ads could help in monetization of this website

[echo aurora]

Be sure to let us know your thoughts in the thread (if you haven’t already)

[gray isle]

whoever is this Assistant B. it's good

somehow the model just didn't appear, but that's fine to me 😊

[echo aurora]

We’re looking into the bug where it’s not displaying properly. Can I have the Eval ID for this? It’s the random set of numbers and letters in the url

[gray isle]

this thing?

[echo aurora]

Yeah

[gray isle]

here's the code hehe: "019d70ce-38c8-7a73-a249-843246e5e476"

[echo aurora]

Is that all of it?

Ty ty

[gray isle]

it's just one request for my favourite prompts of all time (which is asking for LaTex) or creating PolSci Scenarios (What If)

[stone forum]

@echo aurora when is the arena gonna have an ai music arena session?

[echo aurora]

Not sure, couldn’t say

[dreamy lynx]

are the models back or are they gone for good?

[velvet furnace]

It is said that the GLM-5.1 AI model has surpassed Sonnet 4.6 — is that true? Has anyone used it? Please share your thoughts.

[gray isle]

they're still in Battle

but not in Direct or neither Side by Side

[short sluice]

BENCHMAXXING

basically every chinese llm is benchmaxxed

no exceptions

[fossil lark]

uh oh

I've been out for days

back in arena and found claude opus 4.6 and gemini 3 are both gone

but they are still on the leaderboards

is there an document arena update, so they removed them temporarily

or just permanently

[dreamy lynx]

perm

[stone forum]

they're gonna return it once it's ok

[gray isle]

after testing that thing, it doesn't even produce a good latex at all'

like its treatment of LaTex is non existent. it just blank

[empty sky]

Whar did he say

You say slur?

Oh very ofansive

[austere kiln]

Had it with Gemini previously and then it was removed

[deft spruce]

..what the i used max 1 time but the
{"error":"Chosen Model(s) are no longer available"}
WHAT THE HECK???

[keen moth]

Wheres is opus and opus thinkking and gpt 5.4 with files?

[olive spruce]

theres no more opus lmao

[keen moth]

why?

[patent bane]

#announcements

[balmy shadow]

Hi, I’m experiencing an issue with a long conversation on Google Gemini. Today, when I send a message, it keeps loading for more than 30 minutes without any response. I’ve tried refreshing the page, logging out and back in, using a VPN, and even switching to another device, but the problem still persists. Could you please check and help resolve this issue? Thank you.

[hollow mulch]

Yeah abd fix rate limit and the empty response in searching model

[viral notch]

i hope they do come back

[hollow mulch]

Is make me so mad 🙂

[viral notch]

we dont even have gemini 3 pro

[gray isle]

didn't Google themselves removed it?

[placid wyvern]

PLEASE tell us what website this is

[balmy shadow]

thnx for the clarification
so i need to start new chat ?

[viral notch]

i think they did but lmarena had it for a while

[hollow mulch]

Yeah

[hollow mulch]

If you refersh the model back to issue infnite genration

[balmy shadow]

ok np thnx

[supple scaffold]

Arena had it before Google deprecating Gemini 3 Pro, not the other way around

[viral notch]

i could have sworn the arena had gemini 3 pro even after google ai studio ditched it, but alright

[supple scaffold]

I mean, Google removing it from AI Studio and Google disabling the API are different things after all

[odd geyser]

Lol.

[onyx shore]

any got imagine v2 acces in arena?

[stone forum]

CAN SOMEONE RECOMMEND ME AN FREE AI WEB THAT HAS A COMMON SENSE, GOOD MEMORIES AND CREATIVE WRITING AND RESEARCH 😭😭😭😭

[whole sundial]

it's openrouter chat, which is sadly paid

[opaque maple]

GPT 5.4 in Codex is very good!

but it talks too robotic

[halcyon ingot]

5.4 have codex? Wtf

[ocean venture]

What was that wbsite or interface? are you use local? base on that photo?

[halcyon ingot]

That's normal 5.4...

[gray isle]

whoever is that Assistant B. i would love to know it and say thank you

[scenic echo]

reklam

[narrow copper]

Guys where are the opus gemini gpt 5.4 models? Why they got deleted

[hollow mulch]

Yes

[hollow mulch]

Sorry bro

[narrow copper]

Is this gonna stay? No plan to bring them back?

[hollow mulch]

Cause the model can't pay anymore

[hollow mulch]

They finding way read in #announcements

[narrow copper]

O
Tnx man that was great while it lasted!
Thanks everybody who contributed to this

[restive crypt]

sadly opuds also

[dreamy lynx]

they were too expensive, so they took em away

you can use gemini 3 flash if you want

[gray isle]

flash for what purpose? it can't even do my request...

[dreamy lynx]

i use llms for making up stories for me, that are enterntaining, so flash works well for me

[bleak lake]

well it's not fault of arena, these models are expensive to provide. Moreover the purpose of arena was to test these models, and provide accurate benchmarks without any bias.

But people started abusing it by creating new accounts and using same model in direct chat over and over again

it was eventually gonna happen

[gray isle]

technically my use is not for that...

there's seven ais (reduced to two right now) who can do my request (a very long hard prompts that i do a lot)

[hollow mulch]

Well

[thorn hornet]

Can flash translate in perfect Albanian for an Srt file I don't think so

[dreamy lynx]

yes it absolutely can

[light sleet]

gemini-4.5-flash is great tho

use 4.5 flash

[bleak lake]

honestly none of the current models can perfectly translate a language to another, imo, it's very close tho, if we remove the gaurdrails it's gonna get almost perfect. There's a reason why experts say gaurdrails are holding a model back.

If the language you are translating consists some swearing words or words that might get flagged by gaurdrails then Ai is not good at translating them hence resulting in a not perfect translation.

I'd advice if you know the material you are translating contains some words that might get flagged then its better train an agent yourself or eh grok works better than most models at this sadly

[light sleet]

4.5 flash good enough to translate

[bleak lake]

5.5 flash is better

[light sleet]

no

4.5

4.5 flash

[thorn hornet]

I edit the srt afterwards but i just want less work you know ?

[light sleet]

pineapple got 4.5 million dollars by Gemini 4.5 cuz he is now a pineapple juice

3 days left till pineapple juice goes

[bleak lake]

then it's good

[light sleet]

js use mythos Thinking dude

Claude mythos Thinking

This one

or Claude Pineapple Ultra could work too.

[silk dew]

is that real

[light sleet]

In parallel universe, yes.

[silk dew]

wow!

[echo dome]

where to get it

[thorny schooner]

I am actually starting to get so annoyed why is verification happening every time I tried to do a retry😭

[zenith steppe]

there must be a special place in hell ...

[echo dome]

using uncensoreddns to lmarena don't give me verification (i first time see him but returning... he disappeared)

[deft spruce]

..WTH???

[desert pendant]

we all know this is f12 edit

[subtle rose]

Even without vision, too weak 🤧

[echo dome]

how do you do that

[desert pendant]

press f12

[subtle rose]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ghoodgirlmagic-magic-ghood-girl-9r75ILTJtiDACKOKoY

[desert pendant]

in arena website then edit the text

and doneee

[deft spruce]

wait....arena can edit with CHROME DEV TOOLS?

[echo dome]

magic isn't real

[desert pendant]

everything is editble

[echo dome]

what about ai system?

[deft spruce]

what about limit token?

[desert pendant]

website stuff

blah blah blah

[desert pendant]

i mean websites

💔

[zenith steppe]

wait what is F12 ?

[desert pendant]

developer tools

[zenith steppe]

i know about f1

🏎️

[desert pendant]

i can do like

[echo dome]

what about removing recaptcha (worst captcha system)?

[grave hatch]

How to unlimited video create

[desert pendant]

some stuff you obviously can't

[subtle rose]

No need to thank me, guys

[desert pendant]

f12 changes aren't that hard tho, here is an example

-# he didn't said this ANY time

[echo dome]

stuck on this horrible system i guess

recaptcha is sinful

[deft spruce]

....wait that's not a arena site...

[desert pendant]

gang

they just added some new feature to deep seek

[ivory latch]

i haev a doutbt where i can see archieve chats

[desert pendant]

you can't

[echo dome]

pressed f12 to see sources

[ivory latch]

and one more thing is claude opaus is removed ?

[desert pendant]

was too expensive

yes

[echo dome]

wait what does tools uses for ai models (lmarena)

[solid scaffold]

But still it's dumb!

[honest verge]

What...

1970?

[gusty zephyr]

Just say you're broke and follow openrouter 50rpd.

[desert pendant]

what

[honest verge]

It says snapshot from 1970

[echo dome]

here's recaptcha one:

they collecting:
IP addresses - tracks your location
Mouse movements and clicks - behavioral profiling
Device information - OS, browser type, screen resolution
Cookies - persistent tracking across sessions
Time spent on pages
Browser fingerprints - screen size, resolution, language, plugins, JavaScript objects
Keystroke dynamics - timing and patterns of keyboard input
Screenshots of browser windows - Google literally photographs your browser
All data transferred to U.S. servers

and reCAPTCHA Violates GDPR

[echo dome]

that's why you guys getting asked with

[honest verge]

That's the deal for arena

I don't see anything bad in it

[echo dome]

💀 🙏

they got fined how is this not bad?

[honest verge]

Well at least someone will watch me

[echo dome]

i wonder who is watching you

[honest verge]

No one rn

Except cucumber on the table

It watches me

Straight in my head

[echo dome]

lol

[gray isle]

seems like what Russia/US/China would do

[echo dome]

reminds me of backstate apps (like MAX)

[gray isle]

RuNet and China ROM for example. does the same stuff like you said

[gray isle]

although i use Yandex if Google Images is not working

[echo dome]

ah yes recaptcha collecting same stuffs as runet and china rom
how awful

[honest verge]

Max is not a virus

It's just a contact with the government

[echo dome]

what?
it's released publicly

[honest verge]

I know

[echo dome]

yandex is bloated so that's why i use only yandex alisa

[honest verge]

You can contact russian government with it

[gray isle]

my colleagues doesn't even know Yandex, like i'm probably the only one in my class (that is dumb for the most part (Mathematics/Physics) that knows random stuff like that

[echo dome]

pineapple answered me with "This area isn't my expertise so I'm unable to provide specifics, but overall will say our team is looking closely at this system and are actively making adjustments overtime to this system."

[honest verge]

Yandex is very popular in Russia

It's basically everywhere

[gray isle]

not in PH

[echo dome]

when teams need to take actions about this tbh

[gray isle]

not PH the site, the country

[echo dome]

polyhood?

[gray isle]

some Country with the highest Tax in SEA

treating itself like a douchebag

[honest verge]

Philippines

[gray isle]

yep, it's a douchebag country after all

if S.D wins, well that's good for the dumb ones

[echo dome]

when teams picked google login where recaptcha: problems

[elfin sail]

It's me or Flux 2 never actually work XD

[gray isle]

GLM doesn't work too

[gray isle]

it just gave up on me, because it can't do my hard prompt at all

[elfin sail]

GLM was pretty "decent" for the text to wait for claude to come back

[gray isle]

if somebody says that it's better than sonnet 4.6, then think about it, why it can't PRODUCE a good LaTex

[elfin sail]

I wasn't able to resist and took a month subscription on Anthropic

[modern flame]

Arena might lose their large community if they don't bring top models back(at least Gemini 3.1 pro or gpt 5.4)

[sly cedar]

Nah, id learn code than burning my brain with ai enforced code 💀

[gray isle]

it can't even do Text Coding.

[elfin sail]

it's to create stories

so it's okay for me :3

[gray isle]

I don't need that..., i need it for Text Coding, specifically for LaTex

[echo dome]

id prefer not to learn code than burning my brain with learning code for years
like i already want to be composer

[elfin sail]

it's okay ! I was just saying that I'm using it for stories. You can't use it for code on the website of anthropic ?

[gray isle]

it becomes limited sadly

[echo dome]

how is my composing?

[elfin sail]

I was surprised by the limitations on Anthropic too

I mean, I'm paying and I can't use it as much as I was using it on Lmarena when it was there

[gray isle]

oh hell nah, not my stool erupting again

[desert pendant]

time to continue my test with deep seek

[gray isle]

if only Gemini 3.1 pro preview have File and Video File Upload in Arena, i would have been transcribing for a long time

sadly it's only file upload

for it's existence

except for AIstudio

[echo dome]

when turns into

[desert pendant]

i recommend using deep seek

of you want an good AI for coding

[rigid copper]

i asked ai to suggest an idea to keep arena.ai sustainable, lol

lol

not sure is it a good idea, or a dumb idea

[elfin sail]

some good ideas though

adds/donations

[rigid copper]

it was provided by claude :)

[lavish ibex]

are there any good alternatives to arena? where opus 4.6 is available with the same limits as here 😖

[desert pendant]

sadly no

actually yupp

[lavish ibex]

yupp is stopping

[desert pendant]

oh

[obsidian cargo]

probably because they were offering free opus 4.6 lmao

[lavish ibex]

still wondering how they can offering all the (top) models for free

[elfin sail]

data to train the AI

I guess

[rigid copper]

they want us to evaluate which model deserve to be better

[amber marten]

Yupp is already stopped.

[golden ocean]

how does lmaerena benefit from direct chat

[lavish ibex]

they may contact me too haha

[golden ocean]

are people suppose to use the 👍 and 👎 buttons for each message

does anyone even do that

[desert pendant]

yes

[fossil lark]

I did

[rigid copper]

i occasionally do

[desert pendant]

i do

for help them

[fossil lark]

ppl also provide the original data to train

[desert pendant]

can't handle this more bro

💔

[lavish ibex]

Whats the reason opus is gone?

[golden ocean]

is jt gone again

[fossil lark]

opus is toooo expensive

[rigid copper]

too expensive and many people using it

[lavish ibex]

get it

[rigid copper]

they have to cope the cost

[fast dew]

Yh thats why they doing a credits system

[mild spade]

did it get returned yet

[mild spade]

is it effective now?

[lavish ibex]

it was a monster model

[golden ocean]

it returned for like a day

a few days ago

[fast dew]

Its gonna happen tho

[golden ocean]

i thought

[fast dew]

In like the future

[golden ocean]

now it gone for me again

[desert pendant]

im using deep seek rn

[mild spade]

im so scared,,,

[desert pendant]

he is saving the day

[mild spade]

deepseek what

official site?

[desert pendant]

ye

[mild spade]

cool

[abstract hinge]

I felt like Cooper from Interstellar watching you guys argue yesterday about AI, and I couldn’t say anything because I got a 24-hour punishment for speaking Portuguese.

[rigid copper]

then we need to work together to figure it out what to do to ease it

[lavish ibex]

deepseek is also a monster

[desert pendant]

they added this new option and im using it

[rigid copper]

my own advice is to impose stricter limit, stopping bots.

[mild spade]

What option

[desert pendant]

this instant and expert feature

[golden ocean]

can't u just intercept lmarena api request and replace the modelAId with claude opus's id?

[mild spade]

is expert paid?

[golden ocean]

if anyone saved claude opus model id on lmarena

[desert pendant]

more free than opus

[lavish ibex]

free

[desert pendant]

💔

[mild spade]

What do you use it for?

what it good at

[desert pendant]

wait

[lavish ibex]

I asked deepseek to splits a CSS 4000+ lines file into 10 seperate css files for each function, did it perfectly

[rigid copper]

that's why arena.ai art and coding contest/event is gone, because they are dealing with budget

[fast dew]

This opus shi not a game

🙏

[desert pendant]

gotta ask him for speed up this thing

[abstract hinge]

The best way to make this viable is to assign a point cost to every model. These points would be earned by using battle mode.

Instead of just choosing which model is better, users would also need to provide a reason for their choice. That reason could then be verified by a smaller model.

For example, something like a 7B Mistral could check whether the reasoning is actually valid and reflects what the user experienced with the model’s response. This would make the system more reliable and reduce meaningless votes just to farm points.

[desert pendant]

i think battle and liking/disliking for earn credits is fair

battle should be a bit more tho

[abstract hinge]

The problem the admin mentioned earlier was how to validate the votes. By requiring a reason, and having that reason verified by a model, this issue would already be addressed.

[desert pendant]

you could earn daily points also like 100 points to use

[abstract hinge]

yeh

[fossil lark]

lemme try deepseek

i gave him a 120p pdf, 5MB to analyze

[outer flicker]

still obessive with opus hmm guy

[fossil lark]

how much time would it cost with expert mode

pretty quick, almost instantly reply

well it's done in 1 min

this is a thesis i've been reviewed for days

compared to my paid claude opus 4.6, deepseek expert is more merciful

[abstract hinge]

Has anyone managed to use the Meta Spark model? I tried it yesterday, but it would start and then crash midway with an error.

[mild spade]

basically yupp. ai

[hollow ivy]

#ai-news message

[abstract hinge]

The difference is that lmarena completely dominated yupp.ai and is now the only one in the market.
🤓

[willow sleet]

@abstract hinge signed up for yup then they closed

[abstract hinge]

😨

[still musk]

Guys, GPT IMAGE 2.0 will be released tonight after GPT image 1.5

[honest verge]

Release gpt image 1.0

[willow sleet]

opus 4.6 understandable, then gpt 5.4 high, and now Gemini 3.1 pro all top models disappearing.. how much message per day is their limit before they disappeared guys?

[still musk]

It already exists

[willow sleet]

why models are disappearing guys ..

[civic plaza]

Most likely price. And to find out how to make them work better

[gray isle]

I would love to thank assistant B, whoever the llm/ai is

[dark valve]

when will top model(gpt 5.4, gemini 3.1 and opus 4.6) comeback again?

[gray isle]

although it looks like GPT 5.4 High

since 5.4 High gave me that kind before in the past

[outer flicker]

please we need them

[bleak lake]

well it's not fault of arena, these models are expensive to provide. Moreover the purpose of arena was to test these models, and provide accurate benchmarks without any bias.

But people started abusing it by creating new accounts and using same model in direct chat over and over again

It was eventually gonna happen

[pine raptor]

Hi

[obsidian cargo]

source? Pretty hype if true ngl

but yeah gpt image 1.5 is already out

and is kinda ass ngl

[balmy mist]

whats the best cheap or free model? i feel like that is the meta now, all paid models are pretty much the same now

[mild spade]

Your reviewer looks so cool, do you upload your notes first, or do you let the ai do everything? :000 I wanna have ai reviewers for my cets TT

[polar horizon]

it's good at some and ass at some

when it comes to being realistic af it's ahh

it's so obvious to spot a gpt generated image

[obsidian cargo]

yeah its realism is bad but also when it does digital art style it has this wonky weirdly vibrant art style that I don't like

[still musk]

Many users on X are trying it, just do a search

[obsidian cargo]

thanks for the source :D
I know some people have access to it in chatgpt right now but I don't

and I don't use twitter, not even before elon musk bought it, and now I'm even less likely to

[eternal thicket]

im switching to claude bro

gemini so ahh

[polar horizon]

onb
can't do pixelated or anime properly

[polar horizon]

let's goooo

[obsidian cargo]

can any model do good pixel art yet?

[polar horizon]

gemini mad good at it icl

[still musk]

Here are some images leaked on Twitter of GPT IMAGE 2

[polar horizon]

not good enough but really good

[polar horizon]

mfs alr on that good shi🫩

[obsidian cargo]

#ai-creations message I posted a few of my own gpt image 2 generations starting around here, during the brief few hours it was available on arena

[still musk]

I hope it will be available on arena

[balmy mist]

i thought we solved image gen, why should we care about a new image model lol?

[still musk]

AI is scary, now I don't know what's real

[obsidian cargo]

its not solved, every time you think "oh it can't get any better" it gets better

[balmy mist]

but by a small amount

[obsidian cargo]

hell even gpt image 2 screws up background details a bit

[still musk]

Omg

[distant bison]

How can you generate videos now ?

[still musk]

It only generates Battle mode for me

[gray isle]

basically what i transcribe, i pass it to the AI (to Opus itself, when it existed)

and then i just ask, a very hard prompt, and what's the specific structure of the thing

[night moat]

because detect ip. ykwim

[mild spade]

do you do quizzes too? coz I often study with asking for quizzes to da ai

[vernal zodiac]

damn why disable multiaccount usage?

[mild spade]

Claude 4.6 models? Aren't there only one (4.6) and then 4.5 of sonnet

[gray isle]

nopee

[vernal zodiac]

only haiku is on 4.5

sonnet and opus are 4.6

[gray isle]

basically it's LaTex (although i know how to do LaTex, i'm just so lazy to code for 7 hours then having no results

if you're gonna do a LaTex reviewer, don't do it under LuaLatex or Xelatex, because it's gonna crash

you're gonna do PDFLaTEX

if a credit system should be hourly. (in the new usage system feedback eme eme) i would disagree, but let's say 12 hours.

or 16 hours lol

[eternal thicket]

https://gemini.google.com/share/23f28095f68b play my funny game, flip and do 360s to put your combo meter up, and land straight to dont trip

[gray isle]

that's like tomorrow already too

[eternal thicket]

created with gemini canvas

[devout shale]

Why don't I have claude-opus-4-6-thinking...do you know other alternatives where there is claude-opus-4-6-thinking?

[half yew]

This what I generated with image v2 before it got took off arena, my prompt was simple

[grim cliff]

Hey why cant y'all add a donation system?

[obsidian cargo]

cant believe image v2 recommended dr disrespect

[paper island]

who makes image v2? I wanna play with this

[half yew]

Chatgpt and it’s only available to select users

But they saying it’s coming out today at 1 pm

[magic imp]

Really??? Share prompt

What is image V2 is it available at arena??

[paper island]

comeback of the century if true, google's nanobannana has been the best by far for so long

[half yew]

A twitch screenshot of a semi popular dude, he just got a trickshot in modded cod server
Be super detailed and very specific and very realistic

[paper island]

god damn

[obsidian cargo]

1pm what time zone?

in 2 hours?

[half yew]

Eastern, 10 am PT

[magic imp]

???

[obsidian cargo]

nice

[half yew]

^

[obsidian cargo]

not yet. it was briefly as a codenamed model on the weekend

[paper island]

can't wait for it to get lobotomised 2hr after launch

[half yew]

I mean hopefully not

[paper island]

Yeah but this is openAI we're talking about

They always just let it fly with no guardrails for a while to build hype then restrict it so much it's nearly unusable

[half yew]

Basically what they did with sora

[half yew]

That’s why I’m testing it strictly on arena

Also here’s what I got with nb2

[paper island]

lemme try this with 3pro rq

[obsidian cargo]

they didn't do that with gpt image 1.5 I don't think. (That one was just bad on release)

also they actually dialed back the copyright restricions on gpt image 1 after a while

[paper island]

good point

[grim cliff]

hi guys

is there any AI that has like a coding similarity to Claude Opus?

[half yew]

Yup multiple sources saying this

[magic imp]

Yaah i am doing the same

[still musk]

So is it coming out tonight?

[paper island]

If you're doing webdev, sonnet is pretty damn good

[grim cliff]

Nah i do like desktop apps and stuff

[paper island]

language?

[half yew]

Could be, I don’t know anything about other image releases and if they had a rollout or a surprise launch

[magic imp]

Bro what you guys think is gpt iv2 will be lauch on arena ??

[paper island]

3 pro output

[grim cliff]

C++, Rust, C so like low level languages

[paper island]

better than nb2 but the text isn't perfect and it put the cam in the wrong spot

[grim cliff]

I know that qwen 3.6 plus is reallyy gosh darn good

[half yew]

It’s decent, but there’s inconsistencies like the webcam and the website in general

[magic imp]

Bro 3 pro just did a mistake 😭😭😭

[grim cliff]

beautiful

[magic imp]

Yaah it's beautiful

And did you notice the gamer background wall

[paper island]

Qwen & Gemini 3 Flash are available on Arena and seem to do alr for that

[obsidian cargo]

TOABS

[magic imp]

It's having detail

[paper island]

are we not going to talk about the fact that he's literally the pog emote

[half yew]

This image v2 nd I tried to create a aesthetic photo

[magic imp]

🤣

[paper island]

reference

[magic imp]

Let me give one more try

[paper island]

all we need now is this kinda performance paired with the new Google research to get a local version of this that could run on ~20gb vram

[magic imp]

Personally I love it not bad

[paper island]

yep i think NB has officially been dethroned

[echo aurora]

perfection

[still musk]

No it's absurd GPT image 2

I have to make a fake girlfriend and make people believe I have one hahahah

[magic imp]

Bro no one can beat it

[half yew]

It’s actually not bad but it feels ai a lil