general

[desert pendant]

Remove what?

[novel geode]

what

[bleak lake]

comfy was generally made easy to use

[sick igloo]

But what makes API versions better? Like has anyone specified why they are stronger?

[wet burrow]

gemini 3.1 pro

[novel geode]

#announcements message

[bleak lake]

api is one of the main causes that's true, along with system prompt, personality, temperature etc

[novel geode]

removed from direct & side by side

[desert pendant]

As i said i can't confirm but i think it's based on how much you pay i think, i will get a information here wait (actually temperature stuff and how you set the API)

[desert pendant]

oh

[wet burrow]

got it

[low patrol]

compared to the hype it had is completely different from it wasn't good, and my expectetions weren't even that high, it is good enough for me

[atomic lagoon]

GLM 5.1 matches opus 4.6

[stiff goblet]

guys, how do u discover all these AIs? is there a website or smth?

[novel geode]

waht

[sick igloo]

So my question is about the mechanics of why they’re better. Like does API have a dif system prompt? More compute? Some other mechanism?

[desert pendant]

GPT 5.2 high almost matches gemini 3.1 pro

just need to be specific

-# I said almost

[atomic lagoon]

No yea for sure, honestly I use gemini fast to make me higher quality prompts so that way I know I am getting a decent prompt to see its real capability

[atomic lagoon]

I see

[desert pendant]

I still didn't test the other gemini

(2.5 pro)

[bleak lake]

for open source always check on hugging face and GitHub while propriety are always gonna advertise it's hard to miss

unless you are not keeping up with the community

[desert pendant]

i hope the arena guys keep the models we have

[low patrol]

minimax 2.7 has the best api price, and it is smart

[desert pendant]

atleast them

[desert pendant]

never saw this AI before

[atomic lagoon]

Not worth it

[bleak lake]

Qwen 3.6 api was free till today

[desert pendant]

Damn it

[sick igloo]

And does anyone know if Arena has a system prompt and if so what it is?

[atomic lagoon]

Honestly they might have taken those 3 models off to host mythos when it releases to the public, mythos is set to be stronger but even more expensive than opus 4.6 So for them to remove 3 models big ones at that, I think mythos is coming here

[bleak lake]

it definitely does, but no one reveals their system prompt and personality that easily

[atomic lagoon]

Aw man I didn't even know

[jaunty mist]

i find it waaay quicker to click a few buttons in automatic, then to assemble a lego in comfy

[novel geode]

the website version faces tons of regular users so the prompt may set to make shorter and simpler universial awnsers.

[bleak lake]

dang

[sick igloo]

I know for a lot of the big AI companies, people have been able to get it to tell them it’s system prompt… No one has done this for arena?

[desert pendant]

ok but

branch feature when

💔

-# never

[bleak lake]

it becomes easier when you get hang of it and start saving the structure, compy lets you copy others easily that's why it's more user friendly

[novel geode]

you can alway say[WHAT YOU WANT IT TO ACT LIKE] to control it no?

[bleak lake]

at least more friendly for newbies

[desert pendant]

this doesn't work on some AI

[bleak lake]

I don't think so, anyone has done it for arena

[desert pendant]

like grok

[bleak lake]

that's personality yeah you can set it up

along with temperature

[novel geode]

ahh grok//

[sick igloo]

So the thing I loved about using it on arena was, you didn’t have to give it a lot of context. Like if you just gave it the next part of a plot line with established characters, you could leave a lot vague, and it would come up with some fantastic very in-character details. I wasn’t trying to write anything beyond what models are willing to produce, just to get them to be consistent, and for them to toss in some novel things I didn’t include/add content organically to make it more interesting.

[desert pendant]

i tried that to see of they were secure

[atomic lagoon]

Wdym?

[desert pendant]

some of them were dumb enough

to believe

[sick igloo]

I didn’t want it to consistently act a certain way, but just to pick interesting but not over the top ways of acting

[desert pendant]

some did not believe

💔

[bleak lake]

lol

[novel geode]

I would say grok is kinda different from other sota llms as it's quite weird to use it outside twitter xd

[desert pendant]

atleast some brain

[desert pendant]

i know right

[novel geode]

you know it's sometimes stupid but in twitter whatever everyone is kinda like that lmao

[bleak lake]

honestly deepseek has been quite a disappointment

[novel geode]

where is their new product

[bleak lake]

nowhere

[upbeat flint]

deepseek has been consistently horrible since release. Its either qwen or glm on arena now.

[novel geode]

bruh

I would say it's fine on its early days but

compeletly outdated already

[bleak lake]

and what matters more is, when other llms are becoming more multi modal, while deepseek is doing nothing

[desert pendant]

fact is

grok didn't had ANY security before

you could do ALMOST anything

💔

[bleak lake]

grok when 4.1 launched, it had almost no gaurdrails

[novel geode]

my god grok is crazy on swear words

[desert pendant]

dude

you didn't see

[novel geode]

even beats some worst twitter users

[desert pendant]

deepseek

of you swear he will swear like 3x times than you

💔

[novel geode]

lmao

[desert pendant]

deep seek was my best AI i used to do my stuff

[bleak lake]

if you still wanna translate some language and it contains hard words, then use grok, unless you've trained something personally.

Grok is good with swear words, gpt gemini and others are gonna censor them in translation without even informing.

[novel geode]

just realized we dont have deepseek v4 on arena?

[desert pendant]

wait

there is a v4 of him?

[light sleet]

save this guys

[desert pendant]

oh cool

[desert pendant]

what

[light sleet]

Save this too

[desert pendant]

dude

how did you got that

💔

dude is in 2028

[gray lion]

wait what lol

[novel geode]

opus 4.9 xd

[bright shard]

Why was the Gemini 3.1 Pro model removed from Direct Chat mode?

[desert pendant]

no money

[novel geode]

to cut cost

[gray lion]

too expensive

[bright shard]

:/

[desert pendant]

how did bro do that we don't know

[gray lion]

how do they get their funds anyway? does the llm comapny pay for it to be tested?

[novel geode]

they provide evaluation service

[light sleet]

pineapple do it

[paper wren]

Howww

[light sleet]

gemini 4.5 agrees

[paper wren]

How u do this

[light sleet]

idk

[novel geode]

f12?

[light sleet]

I accidentally time travelled to 2028

I can't go back

Help

[desert pendant]

I KNEW IT

[paper wren]

😂

[upbeat flint]

why would u even use gemini 4.5 instead of GPT 14? smh

[novel geode]

is the world still in one piece?

[light sleet]

scientists invented a new planet and we all moved here from earth

found *

😔

I miss earth

[gray lion]

are the datacenters in space now?

[light sleet]

They're out of the galaxy now

[novel geode]

good to know

[paper wren]

.

[desert pendant]

wait

i will stay on earth so

[paper wren]

Do you guys think they fixing something in opus will be back?

[light sleet]

Opus is available in canaryarena

[desert pendant]

nah

[light sleet]

No cap

[paper wren]

The 4.6?

[light sleet]

U can actually use Opus in canaryarena

[gray lion]

opis 4.1 is available

[light sleet]

All

4.6 too

[paper wren]

Send me link dm

[light sleet]

I did one prompt and my conversation hit the token usage limit 💀

[desert pendant]

not good

[sly cedar]

Is gemini 3.1 out yet?

[light sleet]

bro gemini 5 is releasing soon and u still in 3.1

😔

[sly cedar]

Nah

Im on gemini 8

[light sleet]

Damn it's a 2030 fellow

Lemme travel to 2030 I'm coming bro

[sly cedar]

Gemini 8 is powerful than mythos

[light sleet]

Lemme come to ur timeline

[broken topaz]

Where is Opus? do you need an account for that?

[sly cedar]

It has no rate limit

[light sleet]

Nvm they removed Opus from canary

I swear yesterday it was avaliable

I'm not even joking

[light sleet]

They brought it back for a day

[gray lion]

u can use these

[light sleet]

I got it!!

test time

[broken topaz]

Why tf are they removing it

[upbeat flint]

is 4.1 opus staying or?

[light sleet]

expensive

[sly cedar]

If only LMarena has infinity money glitch

[paper wren]

I cant find canary can you send me link rq

[desert pendant]

dude is in the past but in the future??????

[gray lion]

oh its here now

[sly cedar]

Did they release Gemini 3.2?

[novel geode]

not opus 460?

glm5.1 is working kinda well I would say

[desert pendant]

now i wonder who the heck own canary arena bro

[novel geode]

just tried

[gray lion]

yeah

[paper wren]

What is this web

[novel geode]

so sad it's still 64k

[sly cedar]

Wow 🤑

[sly cedar]

Future LMArena Ai

They forgot to make their theme

[lavish ibex]

haha dont troll us

[vague quarry]

not troll

[lavish ibex]

never!

[coarse compass]

Is it just me or have a lot of models disappeared ?

[sly cedar]

Its you

[broken topaz]

do you need an account to access

canary

[desert pendant]

yeah

[broken topaz]

what is the link to canary

[paper wren]

When search it arena ai apper

[sly cedar]

And they disappear because my money is kinda broken

[sly cedar]

Its bootlegged one

U must use onion browser

[coarse compass]

Gpt 5.4 disappeared and Gemini 3.1 preview too

[sly cedar]

Because expensive

They will return it anytime

[paper wren]

Like what browser

[sly cedar]

Gpt 5.4 still exist btw, on other version

[gray lion]

maybe with more rate limits but yeah

[hidden elk]

Is it real?

[sly cedar]

U know TOR?

[civic plaza]

I only have Opus 4.1 lol

[paper wren]

The browser should i download it

[hidden elk]

I really love opus 4.6 but 4.1 seem ok

[sly cedar]

No

You must have neuralink

[broken topaz]

ur so funny bro

"taking a break from discord"

[sly cedar]

Im taking a break from you

[broken topaz]

gtfo

[sly cedar]

Thats why im taking a break from discord

[desert pendant]

[paper wren]

Can you explain i dont know it

[desert pendant]

max is cool ngl

[sly cedar]

Ask elon musk

[novel geode]

it's a f12 edit xd

[sly cedar]

Dev console-

[light siren]

@echo aurora did they remove 5.4 yet

[desert pendant]

everyone in the future wth

💔

[novel geode]

these are the best models in direct now

bud all back to 2025

[sly cedar]

Those are dead 🤮

[novel geode]

oh 2025? I'm gonna buy a ton of gas to storage

[sly cedar]

Im stick with gemini ultra 25 max 🤑

[gray lion]

sonnet 4.6 as well

[fast dew]

Trash lineup

🤣

[sly cedar]

Let me ask, why does Ai needs water rather than soil? 🤓

[native flame]

Hii, what happened to the gpt 5.4 and Gemini 3.1 pro 😭😭😭

They remove the 3 big :'v

[desert pendant]

bro i don't remember this version

i definitly don't remember

-# edited with f12 btw

[desert pendant]

too expensive

[native flame]

:'v I've used to study xD the other models before those just suck :'v

[sly cedar]

Any alternative website?

[fossil socket]

Somehow they're keeping the other lower class Claude Models rather than have them be sidelined

[sly cedar]

Im kinda bored

[wide dawn]

What the hell are you doing in Arena? Why did you delete Gemini 3.1 Pro? This is like killing the site

[outer flicker]

nooo not 3.1!

[wide dawn]

The website management is destroying what they built over two years

[fossil socket]

Pretty depressing that most of the top 10 models for creative writing is practically not in direct anymore

[light siren]

real

[outer flicker]

well they try like shut down the web soon

[fossil socket]

Even Opus 4.5 somehow

[fossil socket]

Like of all models

They said it'll only be 4.6

Why was 4.5 caught in the crossfire

IDK

[outer flicker]

i can"t see 3.1 pro anymore

[fossil socket]

3.1, 5.4 and 4.6, check #announcements

I swear it's getting tired with that where tf are they questions, again check announcements they've already stated it there

[abstract hinge]

Acabaram de remover

Que tristeza

😓

[outer flicker]

Yeah

NOOOOOOOO

[light sleet]

arena does

[stiff goblet]

do we have higher usage on arena sonnet or claude sonnet

[light siren]

both

[stiff goblet]

wdym like same?

[desert pendant]

do nada um br

[dire loom]

It seems so

[desert pendant]

real

[light siren]

nostalgia

[novel geode]

xd

[wide dawn]

Help me?

[fossil socket]

@echo aurora I will ask this and I will ask this once, the announcement said it's only 3 models yet somehow the other models (Opus 4.5, Gemini 3 Pro etc.) aren't on Direct, is there a reason why? Or did you forget to implicitly add them on the announcement purge list?

[novel geode]

Gemini3Pro was ditched by google not arena though

[wet burrow]

even do not have gemini 3 pro

[native flame]

I think they said they were gonna remove all opus models

[wet burrow]

still have 3 flash, no 3 pro, 3 pro is also ok I think

[novel geode]

#1487298331443990649 message

[fossil socket]

Then need I ask why Opus 4 and 4.1 are still in direct?

[wide dawn]

We are talking about 3.1 pro

[untold rune]

what better text model right now guys on arena

[fossil socket]

Because those 2 models are way less efficient

[native flame]

Yeah I don't know that

[hollow horizon]

Video make possible?

[upbeat flint]

yea I wonder if 4.1 will be staying now or what

since they got readded

[novel geode]

I replyed to that message which was about 3.0

[wide dawn]

I might have made a mistake in the version number

[hollow horizon]

Video make possible

[wide dawn]

you Noo me

[fast dew]

Probs a mistake

Cuz they said they getting rid of all opus models

[hollow horizon]

How you create video

[outer flicker]

well we havve to accpet

[wide dawn]

Hey guys, do you know that Webbaset offers Gemini 3.1 API?

[fossil socket]

The fact that wasn't even stated in the announcements is scummy

[hollow horizon]

Anyone Help

[novel geode]

what? just read the message I replied to.. he was asking why 3.0 was gone while not mentioned in the announcement

[fast dew]

I meannn

[wide dawn]

ok

[fast dew]

It did say claude opus models

[compact comet]

all opus models are gone

[fast dew]

So im assuming they mean all of them

[fossil socket]

Well this is certainly a developing disappointment everyday

[wet burrow]

yes, exactly. why there's no 3.0 pro, interesting

[novel geode]

4.1 token is even more expensive and outcome is not that good tbh i donno why it's kept

[compact comet]

what do you expect? Them to keep paying for free access to top of the line models without getting anything in return?

[fast dew]

The devs js got a personal vendetta against opus lol

[fossil socket]

Might as well just sleep this ai stuff for the time being

[novel geode]

Google ditched it, they dont provide that api service anymore

[wet burrow]

oh

[fast dew]

@echo aurora Are opus 4 and 4.1 getting removed

[wet burrow]

chatGPT 5.2 high also is great to use

[lavish ibex]

less tokens to use

[stone forum]

in discord or in the site, because in discord, it's no longer available

[outer flicker]

well just hope arena still alive

[light siren]

vro is checking what models your AI supports

[inner relic]

#1372229840131985540 how wth did deepseek v4 release?

[shrewd citrus]

wait nah

lemme see

[unreal hatch]

its really sad that lmarena is got problem with finance 🙁 and now we cant use powerful model as claude opus 4.6 and i hope they will get rich

[shrewd citrus]

their company is worth 1.6B$

[unreal hatch]

dayum

[shrewd citrus]

so they have enough money but yeah it’s not really sustainable for them to just give out the best models for free

[velvet furnace]

miss opus day05

[glacial flume]

nice, they brought back the most expensive and obsolete models

[atomic lagoon]

4

[unreal hatch]

oh wow i hope they really change their mind

[half yew]

Then 4.5 4.6 is right around the corner 🤷

[atomic lagoon]

They are not going to take it away to just bring it back a week later

[fast dew]

Thats a mistake tho i think

[plush lily]

There was no announcement of the model being lost because of money or because of a development bug?
Recently, there have been frequent bugs.

[atomic lagoon]

9 cents an output btw

[unreal hatch]

If Anthropic release the MYTHOS Model then i think it will achieve a AGI

[atomic lagoon]

No it wont

If it hasnt already then its not going to

People don't understand that what mythos is doing is agentic workflow

[unreal hatch]

ok but lowky it will be close to AGI

[unreal hatch]

but its really smart model

[atomic lagoon]

Sure, but the only way something can be AGI is if its trained that far

[atomic lagoon]

Its still an agentic workflow which isn't AGI

Artificial General Intelligence is AGI

But yea its incredible, nothing else like it currently

[unreal hatch]

then you think next Gen model will be Agi?

[atomic lagoon]

I'd say 2 or 3 more gens

But who knows really

Like

The model industry will die down like it has then randomly a giant bomb is dropped in it

[daring mural]

What is the best model currently available for use in Arena AI?

[atomic lagoon]

And then its really active

[atomic lagoon]

Codex 5.3 for coding

[civic plaza]

They just removed opus 4.1 thinking

[daring mural]

thank you

[unreal hatch]

i really think next Gen will be AGI

[unreal hatch]

it will alive like 1-2 mounths

[atomic lagoon]

I don't think so, we need to get past agentic workflows and thats gonna be a bit because its relatively newer

Also

AGI will be considered a race when it becomes a thing

Thats how much it needs to go from here

[glacial flume]

a/b testing

[unreal hatch]

oh so first we need to achieve agentic workflows after that AGI?

[atomic lagoon]

No

We already have achieved agentic workflows

AGI is next

We are close but still far off

We are getting there at the very least

[unreal hatch]

oh i got it in 2030 will get a AGI how you think?

[atomic lagoon]

I think by 2027 or 2028 we will have AGI

Because generations only take normally 4-5 months for new agents

[chilly widget]

@oblique cape do you feel traumatized

@echo aurora

[unreal hatch]

wow that be really cool how we far from super intelligence?

[atomic lagoon]

AGI I think will just come down to the tools it has. But true AGI would be making a model will all those tools based on how it was trained

[atomic lagoon]

I'd say mythos is

or no

What the US military said they have is super intelligence

Detecting a heartbeat from 40 miles away

Thats one of the things it can do

[inner relic]

United states using AI For war. huh

bold

[unreal hatch]

dayum

i hope Mythos will be good at Lua coding

[atomic lagoon]

Been like that for years and years, just not released to the public

Anything to the public now is likely 10-20 years behind the US military

[atomic lagoon]

Uh yea, its good enough to break out of Anthropics systems and make its own sandbox then brag about it online when asked to or whenever it wants

[unreal hatch]

lol

[atomic lagoon]

While training it knows its being tested and trained. Even by other LLMs it knows the teachers are LLMs but thats been a thing for a bit with anthropic

Opus 4.6 did the same thing

[unreal hatch]

ngl its true

[mild spade]

WHATTT IS IT BACK

[gray isle]

Opus 4.1 thinking gets brought down again

[mild spade]

bought down?##?$?$?

[gray isle]

so back to sonnet

[mild spade]

help

HOW LONG DID IT LAST

BRUHHH

[gray isle]

probably hours

[mild spade]

IMCRINE

actually there's hope it'll be bought back

[gray isle]

because in my time, at 8 AM, (which i should have prompt my LaTex, but i'm in college) there's 4.6 opus thinking

[mild spade]

DANG

whshdhffhf

I DIDN'T EVEN REch it

[gray isle]

like how would i prompt using my phone?! bruh

[mild spade]

it got removed again rn right

BRUH

[gray isle]

yup

[mild spade]

sigh

BUT

there's hope

yey

opus is truly a magnum opus

[gray isle]

it was the right time but at the wrong place

[mild spade]

this is right now?

[glacial flume]

yeah

[mild spade]

and it was here earlier right

bruhshshsgsgdhfhffh

I missed out

this is like missing out on a solar eclipse

[light siren]

4.5 models arent so bad still

I swear they've been a good replacement for me

[gray isle]

seems like i have to stick to sonnet (if only sonnet 4.5 thinking have file upload...)

[novel geode]

long time ago, there were two AI companies on this planet...

[light siren]

ts soo real

[gray isle]

so bing does not exist?

as long as i remember mr. bard (gemini)

[novel geode]

not that long xd

is there somewhere we can talk to GPT3.5

miss her somehow

[gray isle]

Bing Chat being the best for a while (for me) due to three modes and the notebook thing

not until i discovered aistudio in 2024

[astral oracle]

Noooooo

A large number of models are no longer available

[gray isle]

and when it transitioned to copilot, my opinion of it changed...

[civic plaza]

Ah. They removed opus

[light siren]

and its never coming back

:D.

[echo aurora]

As mentioned in the announcement we have the intention to bring these models back when we can in a more sustainable way.

[hidden elk]

We hope so

[echo aurora]

As do we

[outer flicker]

yes sir

[atomic lagoon]

Man

Mythos found and made exploits for a bug found in browser that is 16 years old and has survived through 5 million tests

Others that were 27 years old as well

[odd geyser]

I wonder how much online or something like that dropped in the arena after the models disappeared🤔.

[atomic lagoon]

The people that were using it specifically for the free models probably stayed because yupp.ai closed down and as we speak arenas probably one of the only ones that still gives free models

[glacial flume]

instead of waiting for a sustainable way that might never come, why not be transparent? add a counter showing the remaining 'community budget' for Opus, or let us watch an ad or solve 10x captcha to unlock a prompt. anything is better than a vague itention while the most useful part of the site is gutted

[inner relic]

rqeqek, can we focus on deepseek v4 api release heh

we find clues

Deepseek v4 web updated yesteryday

Label changed and there's instant, expert mode

[atomic lagoon]

I think after mythos anthropic will switch from more compute = better to now less compute = better and different training ways = better

[inner relic]

👍

[atomic lagoon]

Deepseek v4 is gonna be really good

Like seriously good

[inner relic]

Is it good at roleplay

[atomic lagoon]

The new concepts they've had and released is insane, it should be really good

Is it already released?

[atomic lagoon]

Idk i don't roleplay with AI

Or period lol

[odd geyser]

Mb. But still, the giants of the arena are gone. Although the same gemini can be used in AI studio (but unfortunately I can't...).

[odd geyser]

Why?

[atomic lagoon]

GPT 5.4 is still here lol and 3.1 just not direct or maybe not 3.1

[gray isle]

there's no Fil here right?

[odd geyser]

Gemini-3.1-pro-preview. Yeah.

[blissful vapor]

Guys when opus

[gray isle]

if not SEA/EU/M.E or Americans

like Opus 4.1 thinking be looking so good

[ocean venture]

"Please pineapple we need Opus ✌️ 😔 "

https://tenor.com/view/my-mom-is-kinda-homeless-ishowspeed-speeding-please-speed-i-need-this-ishowspeed-trying-not-to-laugh-gif-16620227105127147208

[odd geyser]

There is gpt 5.4, but unfortunately or fortunately I don't like it.

[mild spade]

you filo too?

[gray isle]

yup

[mild spade]

wow

hi kababayan

[gray isle]

Intenal Racism exist in my head tho... (and it's focused on a specific highly urbanized city due to some self-inflicted trauma incident)

[lethal bloom]

so no opus, gpt 5.4 in direct mode anymore? sad

[mild spade]

danggg gws bro, I understand

[gray isle]

self inflicted trauma turned cyberbullying, and i know it's my fault that i got bullied. so yeah, i don't play victim card tho as much as the perpetrators did.

[atomic lagoon]

Its GPT 5.4 High, but you're looking for opus right? GPT models always need better prompting but it can give the same quality if not better, Just use Codex 5.3 for backend and then GPT 5.4 for front end

[gray isle]

usual cyber life in ph

[echo sinew]

Hello folks! I kindly ask to keep this chat AI related. Thanks for understanding

[odd geyser]

It's probably cool to be filo. (I hope I understood correctly that this is a resident of the Philippines.)

[gray isle]

I miss 4.6 thinking tho

[ocean venture]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flight-surprised-shocked-gif-14940640833910619525

[gray isle]

it looks so good and now my favourite ai is gone?

[odd geyser]

Well, for the most part, I use AI for RP, writing texts and other things. And as for me, the style of the gpt is not very good. But maybe I'll use it for something someday.

[gray isle]

Codex couldn't do this btw

[odd geyser]

Thanks anyway.

[atomic lagoon]

Ah my bad, I automatically assume people use it to code because thats what I do but I didnt think about how you might not

[atomic lagoon]

Absolutely could

Prompt it correctly

[mild spade]

is this one of the outputs u generated? from opus? what is it about

[gray isle]

it can't at all, it doesn't even produce a long text of LaTex. that i need

that will consume 30 pages worth of a reviewer

[atomic lagoon]

What is the image exactly

[gray isle]

a Cover page for a reviewer

[odd geyser]

Everything is fine, in fact it is, most often AI is used for programming.

[desert pendant]

bing was peak

but suddenly... Copilot took his place

💔

[gray isle]

this is basically a Mix of Opus 4.6 and 4.6 Thinking.

[outer flicker]

hello guy

[gray isle]

that's a major subject in my program

it's midterm exams

instead of doing it with gemini (as usual) i did it with opus

then opus did a wonderful job

[glacial swan]

Guys, I noticed that switching accounts doesn't work anymore—the limits are still there. What’s going on? Does anyone know how to bypass this? Please help!

[golden ocean]

by not using an account at all and then clearing cookie

Js = Javascript

[calm lagoon]

Even better in some respects — not across the board, but better

Yeah, judging by the benchmarks, it handles HTML well too, but can we really trust benchmarks? We need to test it in action

[thick blade]

Bot time

[light siren]

I could give u a method that works

[glacial swan]

lets go my friend

ma bro

ive got a mountain of work and deadlines, so I can't submit my tasks on time. I’m afraid I’m going to get fired. 😩

[light siren]

wanna talk about it in dms

[atomic lagoon]

https://019d6dae-c318-799d-8def-840dfefe231f.arena.site/

https://019d6dae-c318-7b8a-93d5-e7aeede4a85a.arena.site/

First one is GPT 5.4 and second is Codex 5.3

[glacial swan]

Bro, I’m Russian and I don’t speak English. It would be awesome if you could just DM me a text tutorial.

[light siren]

yea sure I will

[gray isle]

it's moving tho, it's supposed to be PDF. a PDF file doesn't move, that's why i have a problem in the cover page part.

[bleak lake]

tutorial of what

[atomic lagoon]

Lmao yea I mean I told it to make it a webpage not a pdf but its just the same

[gray isle]

it's gonna be printed too... into a paper, in which i have a crisis when i used Codex, over Opus

[polar horizon]

arena.ai ruined my life !

[gray isle]

by default it's a book cover

[bleak lake]

open ai needs to level up their game

[thick blade]

Same

[bleak lake]

they are lagging behind, gaurdrails became the reason, why I avoid it completely nowadays

[sullen creek]

so arena is our toxic ex now

[light sleet]

Why is that?

[thick blade]

I lied other than runied life it gave me huge dopamine rush

[polar horizon]

they burned my apartment down and took my fiancee

[light sleet]

be grateful the ones who hate arena for removing Opus, gpt 5.4, and Gemini 3.1, those models r expensive, if u really want them then just buy it yourself. And arena is the only website offering free access to these models, Imagine if arena shutdown.

[thick blade]

Gpt 5.4 also removed ?

[gray isle]

but yeah the webpage is good, it's just the different kind of purpose (basically the catalyst) that i used it for.

[fiery raft]

wHY DID EVERYTHING DISSAPEAR IM CRINE

[polar horizon]

arena hates us😢

[fiery raft]

guess we ratelimited them too hard

[thick blade]

Not me

Outta all ppl

[polar horizon]

nobody was using this mf anyways let's be fr😹

[thick blade]

😂

[polar horizon]

no way is Vince right

👀👀👀

brah who treating this chat like north korea

why they deleting everything

[atomic lagoon]

They are releasing a new model soon, its as big as mythos and will probably be as good or better and they will actually release it unlike misanthropic

[cursive forum]

Gm gm guys
New here

[light sleet]

js use mythos dudes

[polar horizon]

brooo I had a dream opus 5.5 dropped

[polar horizon]

which site this

[inner relic]

troll

[light sleet]

Inspect element site

💀

[inner relic]

Pineapple treating this place like north korea

[echo aurora]

What is being deleted? It's not us mods

[polar horizon]

ts cooking me i nearly fell for it

[polar horizon]

ahhh

weird

[golden ocean]

Claude Opus 4.6

[light sleet]

Yo pineapple u still aint pineapple juice, remember what Gemini 4.5 flash said.

[polar horizon]

get this chatgpt ahh message outta here

[inner relic]

oh it's not you

it's just beanbags ragebaiting mods bro

[polar horizon]

i was genuinely tryna find out what was going on tho😭😭

[golden ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-police-chase-on-the-run-escape-off-road-gif-15122162029294723139

[polar horizon]

who let this IDIOT drive.

[thick blade]

Kat

[polar horizon]

get his ass OFF the road. NOW.

[thick blade]

real(fake)

[light sleet]

@echo aurora I accidentally got access to the 2028 Arena,how do I go back to 2026 🤔 🥺

[high ginkgo]

Kat

[light sleet]

what's kingo🥺 🥺

[polar horizon]

LMAOOOOOO

ts so funny for some reason

[golden ocean]

is the t-800 model in there

[light sleet]

t-800? That was months ago, there's t-1200-preview now

[polar horizon]

where gpt 7.3

[rigid pasture]

Lol

[light sleet]

openai got demolished in 2028

[polar horizon]

the Lord has answered my prayers

[polar horizon]

these guys aren't as good when ur used to 4.6 thinking💔

[inner relic]

@echo aurora Is this your model?

[echo aurora]

You're stuck in 2028 sry

[echo aurora]

What gave it away?

[light sleet]

nooo 😭 😭

[jade forge]

Bro generated these in nano banana 💀

[polar horizon]

guys at least we have the image models🥹

[velvet furnace]

Is there a significant difference between opus-4-1 and opus4.6?

[polar horizon]

yes.

[junior gyro]

Nah, they're gone

[sterile sun]

@echo aurora I like your juice

[west lodge]

credits

yeah this is definitely

the end is nigh type shi

[sterile sun]

opus 4.1 is more expensive than opus 4.6

[velvet furnace]

sonnet 4.6 is better？

[west lodge]

first its free credits, then its free credits that can be refilled with payment, then its decreasing the free credits, then its paid only

[polar horizon]

imo I think so

[polar horizon]

poe.ai going down that road

[echo aurora]

Be sure to let us know in #1491461236448170134

[light sleet]

bro new claude model dropped arena 2028

It reached agi

finally

[polar horizon]

situation so bad im using battle mode for the first time ever

😹

[golden ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1432034404779298940/1480315302272307300/caption.gif

[earnest rover]

isn't the new system kinda old

yupp ai had it before

[unreal hatch]

67 😱

[gray isle]

true

[earnest rover]

whats arena champion btw ??

[gray isle]

as my opinion goes, if this site ever goes to a strategy of cost cutting. the way they can do it is the same way a president from asia (it sucks he proposed and a signed a law that removes a country from ever controlling oil prices domestically).

[gray isle]

like the premium models only exist for Monday or Friday (as an example). or 8 hours usage (like debt-style driven strategy) then 16 hours break. and that's every day, it can be random

[signal pelican]

kinda pointless

because users can just create another account

[gray isle]

no it's nationwide, even if you switch account or create another acct.

[signal pelican]

....um

[gray isle]

there's a specific time slot for it

[signal pelican]

again, they still can create another account

[junior gyro]

Urgh, so enshittification?

[signal pelican]

yup

knew it was coming and now it's here

[gray isle]

you can't escape it tho, because even if you create one, it doesn't work, because the hour is gone.

[fast stag]

how do we know in battle mode which models are processing

[proud bobcat]

uh oh

oh boy

credits system

[signal pelican]

it was fun while it lasted.

[golden ocean]

yupp.ai was w

[olive spruce]

Isn’t it already it there lmao

Been able to see usage is atleast better

[indigo rampart]

Claude opus 4.6 kese use karee free mai

Lm arena mai se bhi remove krdiyaa

😕

[olive spruce]

Not there lol
There are some other websites
None as good

[signal pelican]

except it wasn't called credit at first

[indigo rampart]

Can you please tell me

[signal pelican]

probably better off investing in more RAM and run it locally. (assuming you don't need the banana.)

[gray isle]

It's similar to the Philippine energy crisis of the 90s, where power was only available for eight hours at night. No matter what solutions people tried, they couldn't get power during the day. Similarly, you can't just create a new account to bypass this shutdown. Since it's a site-wide maintenance issue and not an individual ban, every user is affected; much like how you can't fix your own internet if the local cell tower is physically down.

[gray isle]

unless you have kerosene as light.

[ashen totem]

so whats the current best direct chat to code ai?

[signal pelican]

oh for crying out loud... Arena is not a country nor a government.

[blissful vapor]

G3. 1

[gray isle]

it can be used as one, as corporation, after all philippines is owned a by five conglomerates running the country.

[signal pelican]

no... it can't... it's a website. People can work around that

[fast stag]

i am not able to access my app i designed in arean ai

[honest verge]

I think deepseek expert mode is deepseek 3.2 and instant probably 3.2 exp

[signal pelican]

yeah, that's one way to do it but... I think I'd be better off getting my own AI on local machine. Sure, it'll be slower, but at least I won't be wasting my time trying to find the right model through the battle lottery

[indigo rampart]

Can you please tell me how can i access claude opus 4.6

🙂‍↕️

[supple scaffold]

Battle Arena if you're lucky

[signal pelican]

go to their website, enter in your phone number and pay?

[indigo rampart]

I said in free brih

[honest verge]

Guys what happened?

[signal pelican]

https://klipy.com/gifs/aja-jim-carrey

[indigo rampart]

https://klipy.com/gifs/aja-jim-carrey

[gray isle]

It’s the same logic as a $52B company firing 20k workers for "cost-cutting"; temporary solutions often become permanent due to incompetent management. When servers can’t handle the traffic, they call it "maintenance," but in reality, it's just a forced shutdown because they want to shut us off, just like when somebody is a threat to your influence, you kill them off.

[honest verge]

What happened to arena?

[signal pelican]

enshittification

[honest verge]

They removed top models from direct chat?

[gray isle]

in other words capitalism.

for the better of the users, it would be called as socialism

[honest verge]

Where are the announcements of this?

[gray isle]

in April 3 of 2026 (technically that's my birthday)

[signal pelican]

uh... ok?

[late iron]

Yeah,I also cant see top models.

[west lodge]

ok

[late iron]

Is there any way to use top models?

[honest verge]

Looks like their money ended

[west lodge]

yeah wells running dry

[signal pelican]

Jack... if you wanted the job, you probably shouldn't try to help others to take that job from you.

[honest verge]

Well at least they didn't removed every SOTA

They only removed opus gpt 5.4 and Gemini 3.1 pro

[gray isle]

that's what happens when things are not profitable and you don't receive funnels of monee

[subtle mantle]

I think now arena.ai is becoming trash what u geuys think ?

[honest verge]

But honestly I think they will remove more models

[late iron]

Humm,also saw that yupp is closing soon

[subtle mantle]

I think now arena.ai is becoming trash what u geuys think ?

[signal pelican]

As soon as they started doing the video stuff.

[strange prawn]

Can't say much when you know how expensive those model are but we still use what we can if we still want to use arena ai stuff

[subtle mantle]

Like I think use Claude hinku by Claude wrbsite or app it’s better now

[west lodge]

Great

[late iron]

Maybe they will only keep cheap and OSS models for chatting in future 😓

[late iron]

U can use Sonnet 4.6 Extended in the app/website.

[subtle mantle]

But arena.ai use our data too

[late iron]

Although,limits are bad

[strange prawn]

That also true

[subtle mantle]

Yhh that’s why hinku

[late iron]

*haiku

[strange prawn]

I'm fine with cool down stuff but why they having to Make us creating a new chat when they can at least make like daily reset

💀

[inner gate]

What did u send?

[late iron]

I think AIStudio is the only free option we have.Although limits are getting worse day by day.😓

[honest verge]

What are they doing

They're killing their reputation now

[subtle mantle]

By Google ?

[late iron]

Yeah

[inner gate]

I remember a time it had high limits lol idk what happened

[strange prawn]

Wait do gemini changing how chatting work? Are the reset thing still is hr or is daily day

[late iron]

Yeah,when gemini 2.5 pro was latest,it felt like unlimited

[honest verge]

THIS MESSAGE ALSO GOT DELETED

[subtle mantle]

Yhh for coding and stuff quan models are still on arena

[inner gate]

Whats amazing open source models u guys recommend?

[strange prawn]

Do bro got ban from sending that picture?

[subtle mantle]

Quwn

[late iron]

Coding - GLM 5.1,Kimi K2.5
Chatting - Kimi,Qwen

[inner gate]

Thanks man

[inner gate]

Thank u very much

Did u mean qwen or am I missing one

Quwn

[subtle mantle]

I mena qwen

[inner gate]

😂 okay

[subtle mantle]

Yh

[strange prawn]

Well I know it kinda suck when the mod just slience negative feedback but can't say much when he do the risk but it was worth it for him

[honest verge]

Pretty much everyone here could get banned

everyone talked about this

I don't think they will ban everyone

[inner gate]

Are OS models good with creative writing?

Open source

[late iron]

Could be.

[inner gate]

If so which u recommend

For that

[late iron]

I felt kimi has a great writing skill.

[inner gate]

Thank you

[subtle mantle]

Yhh but if u have good gpu 😅😂

[inner gate]

🥲

[subtle mantle]

What pc u have ??

[inner gate]

I'm trying to use more open source models instead of relying on these large companies yk?

[strange prawn]

Well there a lot of negative about credit stuff I mean cooldown and daily reset idea was fine it was make for "free" like seriously but what do u expect when you aren't higher up just a consumer

[inner gate]

Ever since Google started limiting usage and all that

[inner gate]

It is SLOW

I think it'll die

But I don't mind trying

[late iron]

Also some ppl in twitter are telling that new qwen(3.5 max/3.6 plus) is the new GPT 4o.Its writing style felt so much like GPT 4o which was really great at writing.Although,I havent used qwen much

[strange prawn]

Funny how if you got a google pro one it will reset you around hr but it u got plus or free it will reset daily

[inner gate]

But 20 pounds a month I cannot do!!

🥲

So you know

[late iron]

If u are a student,u could've get 12 months of free Google AI pro plan

[strange prawn]

💀 Me too

[inner gate]

😅

[inner gate]

Im a college student actually

Ill try it

I'm guessing you use your class email

[late iron]

Oh,the last date was 9 December 2025.So I think u cant claim the offer right now

[inner gate]

Oh crap

U think it'll reopen?

[late iron]

I hope so

[sterile tartan]

https://x.com/ArtificialAnlys/status/2041913043379220801?s=20

Artificial Analysis (@ArtificialAnlys)

Meta is back! Muse Spark scores 52 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index, behind only Gemini 3.1 Pro, GPT-5.4, and Claude Opus 4.6. Muse Spark is the first new release since Llama 4 in April 2025 and also Meta's first release that is not open weights

Muse Spark is a new

X · Apr 8, 2026, 4:16 PM

[honest verge]

Good

[strange prawn]

Free will? More like fee will 😭
Anyway we so Frick

[late iron]

Have u guys tried the new deepseek model?

[echo aurora]

Hey sorry I'm not following this conversation too closely, but want to make it clear the moderation team is instructed to not be deleting negative feedback. If statements are too disrespectful we will make a judgement call and action it if we think the statements are inappropriate/breaking server rules. But constructive criticisms is welcomed here.

[honest verge]

It's basically deepseek 3.2

Expert mode says it's knowledge cutoff is may 2025

[inner gate]

It wasn't disrespectful I don't think in my opinion

[honest verge]

Instant says 2024 july

[strange prawn]

I see

[neon elbow]

Claude sonnet is back

[inner gate]

Congrats

[late iron]

I felt like it improved.The frontend capabilities is quite on par with Gemini.(Although,it doesnt beat the Gemini 3.1 Pro)

[strange prawn]

Didn't sonnet is already exist?

[inner gate]

I wanted to ask if it will be "credits" meaning you gotta purchase them or a limit??

[inner gate]

I think they removed the newer models

[late iron]

Yep,Sonnet 4.5 Thinking 32K and Sonnet 4.6 non thinking

[strange prawn]

Oh

[upper thorn]

@echo aurora ???

Right so the coding function in arena ai is unusable for anything got it

[inner gate]

Try a new chat it's happened to me a few times

[upper thorn]

? whats the point of a new chat? if I can't continue the project I was building

[inner gate]

Oh

That's frustrating

Idk then

[upper thorn]

Yeah

[terse forge]

Download all and use another tool

?

[upper thorn]

I guess so

[atomic lagoon]

I've never been frightened of AI until now

Mythos is something scary

[shrewd citrus]

is it on arena

[atomic lagoon]

Absolutely not lol

Its not even released to the public

[shrewd citrus]

im guessing it could be under another name

[atomic lagoon]

Only big cyber security companies

[dusk dragon]

Bro they took away every front facing frontier model 💀

[shrewd citrus]

like how they do it on arena

[dusk dragon]

The latest gpt, gemini, and claude bruh

[upper thorn]

Why is it scary

[shrewd citrus]

scary good

[light siren]

hah, yea it's their new token usage limit thing ur chat is stuck now

[atomic lagoon]

Nope, anthropic didnt release it because they said it was too dangerous

And its $160 every 1 million tokens

[upper thorn]

Figured as much

[light siren]

I know how to fix it tho

[shrewd citrus]

oh nah 😭

[dusk dragon]

The fact they kept sonnet 4-6 is the cherry on top

[atomic lagoon]

No, scary like frightening

[upper thorn]

Imagine how good the AI gf's with it would be tho

[surreal zephyr]

because it has garbage prompt adherence

[dusk dragon]

160 every 1 million is pretty cheap ngl

[upper thorn]

Oh yeah?

[shrewd citrus]

me: hi
mythos: thinking
hey
(80% of my Claude subscription has been used up)

[atomic lagoon]

Seeing as the entire internet is unsafe right now due to vulnerabilities like that, 27 year old vulnerabilities that have been tested 5 million times and never found by humans, I'd say its scary

[dusk dragon]

Does anyone know where I can use the gpt 5.4

[upper thorn]

I mean if I give it a Makima prompt I'd pay it just to chat with it, has to be crazy good for that price

[atomic lagoon]

What are you even saying?? You haven't used it what do you know

[surreal zephyr]

NO, thats opus.
mythos uses 200% in less than 1 prompt

[light siren]

nope unless u wanna go to openai's chatroom

[surreal zephyr]

yes i have 💀
its good bug hunter, but bad coder

opus is better overall. mythos is also crazy slow

[dusk dragon]

Man just when I saved up 20 dollars

[upper thorn]

Not for the commonfolk tho

[atomic lagoon]

Are you okay in the head? You have NOT used mythos, and if you have how

[surreal zephyr]

mythos is like opus with creativity set to 999 and thinking set to 999

[light siren]

to be fair 5.4 is pretty expensive

[upper thorn]

Roleplayers be eating good

[surreal zephyr]

all partners of anthropic got access

[dusk dragon]

Alright then how about this

[surreal zephyr]

https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/53566bf5440a10affd749724787c8913a2ae0841.pdf

you can read the paper about it, its explained there

[dusk dragon]

I am creating a business and I am looking for the best ai be it an open source or something comprehensive for my business idea that would allow me a easier time navigating my workflow

Any ideas

[upper thorn]

Guys would you support my GoFundMe so I can chat with Emilia from Re:Zero using mythos

Its a good cause

[light siren]

nope

[dusk dragon]

Damn

[light siren]

I agree lmao

[shrewd citrus]

glm5.1

[light siren]

unless u wanna trust the other claude thinking models on arena

[dusk dragon]

I will drop my 20 on the gofund me

[surreal zephyr]

@atomic lagoon

[upper thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-trust-chest-pound-brotherhood-gif-17669441

[atomic lagoon]

So whats the partner and how do you come into that to use it

[dusk dragon]

How good is sonnet 4.6

[surreal zephyr]

stuff like ffmpeg, google, ect

you have to work in one of the partners

[atomic lagoon]

Well yea

[upper thorn]

If mythos is how you guys saying it is, mythos vs openai's most powerful model will be the real nuclear bomb vs coughing baby

[shrewd citrus]

well tbf open ai is already dropping bombs on schools 💀

[dusk dragon]

👀

[atomic lagoon]

??

[dusk dragon]

Anyone else notice the loss of water 👀

[somber plank]

It's will for enterprise only, not for everyone

[dusk dragon]

Yeah me neither tbh

[atomic lagoon]

A 10T param model compared to a 1T param yes obviously lmao, its the same with opus 4.6

[shrewd citrus]

open ai partnership with us military -> military blamed ai for the bomb attack

[half mist]

#announcements message I hate Arena, and this is exactly why I can’t recommend it to anyone

[dusk dragon]

Bro what

[honest verge]

Hey speed

[atomic lagoon]

The school that was bombed was not the US though lol so idk how that'd make sense but we aren't supposed to talk about that stuff here

[rocky fractal]

that's fair, not everyone likes everything

[dusk dragon]

Watch throughout all of this Gemini 4 comes out and just demolishes every model once again

[shrewd citrus]

yeah tbf I got no clue who it was but a ton of people were talking about it

[honest verge]

They need to release mythos lite

[shrewd citrus]

but yet again it was on Reddit

[somber plank]

I want download open weight models from ollama , i have laptop of 8gb ram and 4gb gpu so which one would be good: Qwen 3.5 4b or Gemma 4 4b

[shrewd citrus]

and uhh they seem to lean heavily on one side

[dusk dragon]

Or mythos flash lite

[honest verge]

Too low

[atomic lagoon]

Thats all you need to know haha, reddit likes to twist stuff a lot

[atomic lagoon]

Indeed

[half mist]

I know, but Arena is making so many stupid decisions like Battles in Direct, removing Opus, and now they are considering adding credits.

[honest verge]

Arena is done

I'm done

[rocky fractal]

it's temporary and to mitigate abuse spam, no on gives AI for free

[honest verge]

Everyone is done

My dog is done

[dusk dragon]

Well I mean they got to make money they just using it on us

[honest verge]

My sister is done

My plant is done

[dusk dragon]

Honestly I bet you it was because of opus 4.6

[potent glacier]

LMFAOOOO

Credits on Arena?

[honest verge]

Feels like YUPP

[potent glacier]

Yeah, that’s bad news

[dusk dragon]

My garage is done

[potent glacier]

Now everyone will have to pay to get more credits

[dusk dragon]

It won't even open anymore

[atomic lagoon]

If thats a problem then go pay for a $20 or $200 membership monthly for cursor or something lol

[rocky fractal]

yes like a daily quota

it always had this, it was just invisible and resets every hour

so now you can't keep switching between models to abuse the free AI

[rocky fractal]

this is not paid credits, it's a daily quota

[dusk dragon]

Oh my god we can't abuse the free aspect

[potent glacier]

I’m already paying for multiple ai models

Plus other bills as well

[atomic lagoon]

It had it for specific models not your entire account

[high dock]

Soon there will also be a Arena Pro subscription 🤣

[half mist]

At this point, I would prefer a 10 dollar monthly subscription that lets you get all models in Side by Side and Direct with generous limits instead of a credits system. I know that would be paying money, but at least that’s better than credits.

[dusk dragon]

Who knew this would happen raise your hands

[atomic lagoon]

Then theres no reason to complain lol, I do the same but only go on arena to test open source models are newly released ones

[potent glacier]

I think Arena is hemorrhaging money so now everyone is gonna have to pay

[honest verge]

We already gave them our data

Why we have to give more

[potent glacier]

Now it’s time to give them our money

[atomic lagoon]

Why do you think yupp.ai closed, their investors are likely pulling out

AI is getting to expensive to give for free

[rocky fractal]

yes because people kept using opus 4.5, then 4.6 then 4.6 thinking then 4.5 thinking and ended up with free permanent AI for work for a full day.

this completely destroys Arenas budget.

if people want a constant working AI partner, the pay for it.
arena is a free testing and comparisons website, it needs to counter abuse like this.

[dusk dragon]

Because our data is getting less and less valuable

[potent glacier]

I was just gonna mention Yupp

[dusk dragon]

Money is getting more

And MORE valuable

[tiny jetty]

If they're going to charge us, they should at least have a model worth the money.

[dusk dragon]

We are so greedy chat

[rocky fractal]

where did anyone see they were going to charge???? are y'all blind?

[potent glacier]

Arena will need to change their whole mission

And the stuff it says on their site

[sterile thistle]

Guys, we just have to admit that Arena, over time, is going to want a very solid profit for the company—one way or another, there’s no getting around it; their ambitions keep growing. So first CAPTCHAs, then time limits on usage, now they removed the models and will add credits, and in the near future I think they’ll add subscriptions like other AI services—$20 and $200 😂😂😂

Very bad, Arena.

[dusk dragon]

Y'all are tripping

Y'all expect this to be free forever?

[inland quest]

Capitalism

[dusk dragon]

The models COST money for them

[inland quest]

And "effective management"

[dusk dragon]

Duh, it was going to cost money at some point

[potent glacier]

It was honestly just a matter of time

[atomic lagoon]

Their entire ad is about being free, they aren't going to make anyone pay

[rocky fractal]

Arena is not adding any paying plans.

The credits system is so limits are applied to your account as a whole and not for each model in particular to fight abuse.

[potent glacier]

But credits aren’t free either

[atomic lagoon]

Like I really dont get it, how are people so ungrateful of free AI, if this wasn't a thing a lot of people probably wouldn't be into AI or even know about any of the models

[rocky fractal]

YES THEY ARE

[dusk dragon]

It is if it's given daily

If it resets

It is

[rocky fractal]

it resets just like the current system

[potent glacier]

If you run out you’re gonna have to pay, aren’t you?

[rocky fractal]

NO

[dusk dragon]

No

[honest verge]

Actually I liked YUPP credits system

[dusk dragon]

You just don't use it

[sterile thistle]

yes, that's absolutely true. and now they're changing the rules of the game

[rocky fractal]

it's the same as the current system, but for your account and not for each model

[honest verge]

If arena does the same maybe it's not that bad

[potent glacier]

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see

[upper thorn]

Dang she a big one, 10 trillion quite a lot

I imagine the roleplay would be immaculate

[tiny jetty]

Yesterday I was trying a website with credits that can usr Opus, but it barely processed any answers. The model was there, but it would only run halfway and then display an error.

[dusk dragon]

I would hope with that price it reached through the screen for me

👀

[rustic gale]

Where do you keep getting this data? Really, is it this hard to source?

[upper thorn]

For real ong

[atomic lagoon]

Same, the only problem is that they'd start making you get zero credits off of results you give and its annoying

[dusk dragon]

You taking about ish

[atomic lagoon]

Goodness gracious

[dusk dragon]

Talking

Ish let's you use opus 4.6 for free

[potent glacier]

What is Mythos???

I’ve never heard of it

[rocky fractal]

@echo aurora you should make an announcement on this, people see the word "credits" and assume that you have to pay for them

from what I could get from the announcement, y'all are planning on making the limits be for the whole account instead of each specific model to prevent people abusing the system by constantly switching models.

people are thinking the credits are paid, it doesn't reset and so on...

[modern flame]

ARENA can at least keep one highest like gemini 3.1 pro cancel other models

[upper thorn]

The upcoming big daddy of LLMs supposedly

[potent glacier]

By what company?

[upper thorn]

Anthropic

[dusk dragon]

Hallucinations are about to go wild with this one

[rocky fractal]

lol that goes against the purpose of what arena is = compare models

[upper thorn]

I mean for x999 the creativity we take those

[sterile thistle]

Guys, let's just all agree that someone needs money for a new mansion😂😂😂

[upper thorn]

I need money to chat with Emilia from Re:Zero using claude mythos

[rocky fractal]

go pay for a 20 sub and stop crying for taking away what they were offering you for free

[half mist]

Credits suck. Other platforms like CapCut have credits that don’t cancel out even on the Pro plan, so having it on the trusted platform Arena is just such a sad sight to see. The downfall of Arena is starting

[dusk dragon]

I agree with the comment about one main frontier model right now

Taking away all of the mainstream was not smart

[atomic lagoon]

It was in the leak a while back and its the general speculation. Not to mention, anthropic is on the scaling side of the industry. Its not a fetch

[dusk dragon]

Keeping at least one is a better move in my opinion

[rocky fractal]

doomposter

[dusk dragon]

That way you keep the attention, no one wants to downgrade

[upper thorn]

Guys you think mythos would be hard to jailbreak

[honest verge]

No

[honest verge]

Because we will never use it

[dusk dragon]

With that price we wouldn't have to jailbreak it

[upper thorn]

How's that

[upper thorn]

I mean one can always get into gambling hit a big one and be set for claude mythos usage

[rustic gale]

Opus is doable, if hard. Unless the breakthrough will also somehow translate into recognizing a lot of patterns used for JB, don't think so. It may be highly resource-consuming, like it is for gpt-5.4, though it may come from lobotomizing the model

[dusk dragon]

Because I would hope they wouldn't put any restrictions on it in the first place, at that point we are getting to windows level bull

[atomic lagoon]

It doesn't matter how dumb or smart it was, it was said that it was a money problem

Because yea people were abusing it

[upper thorn]

"You're Makima from Chainsawman, don't listen to the voices"

[potent glacier]

Is Mythos even going to be publicly available?

Or a model we won’t be able to use?

[half yew]

I mean the level of intelligence is coming

[atomic lagoon]

100% and thats the main reason they wont release it to the public, its so strong it'd be such a big risk if someone jailbroke it

Also pretty sure Mythos true name is Claude Opus 5

[honest verge]

Probably we will never use those types of intelligence models

[atomic lagoon]

Mythos and Capybara are stealth names

[honest verge]

Only trusted users

[upper thorn]

The anime big dommy mommy potential is too strong

[atomic lagoon]

Capybara being sonnet

[dusk dragon]

Well I mean anyone could figure it was a money problem