general

[bleak lake]

man I hate enshitification

[hollow ivy]

..which they will use to create new models and systems, etc

[mild spade]

in what way

[opaque maple]

Lets all just use Claude Haiku and continue with our life

[outer flicker]

so the ai war never stop

[bleak lake]

in almost every way

[outer flicker]

the first ai oppen the ai era is gpt right?

[mild spade]

hugging facr

[compact comet]

it it actually insane that the only usable models are the absolute top of the line ones, the rest is just unusable garbage

[mild spade]

But yeah same thing

[opaque maple]

i'd love if ai studio could've worked like an IDE

[random flax]

that was april fools joke

[potent glacier]

I just found this site that has Claude Opus 4.6 for $20 a month

[mild spade]

Ooo

Do tell what site

[opaque maple]

th is a Claude 4.6?

[potent glacier]

Lorka.ai

[outer flicker]

why all onther web put good model to pro subcrtipon?

[potent glacier]

Because they cost money LOL

These models are expensive

[opaque maple]

lets all just combine our computers in a big giant server and all run Opus 4.6 and make it free again

or smth

[hollow ivy]

In 5 years, local opensource models will be better than opus-4.6

[opaque maple]

in 5 years there will be models that make opus 4-6 look like gemini 1.5 flash

[outer flicker]

yes sir what about deepseek the one never have own ai image or video

[bleak lake]

because they want you to get addicted to their cheaper model, and eventually wanna upgrade

[wicked talon]

Didn't have enough cash

[bleak lake]

There's some terms in economics for this freemium model/ penetration pricing

[potent glacier]

In all honesty I’m more worried about what gas prices will look like within the next month due to this Iran war 🫤😞

[hollow ivy]

deepseek V4 will come out in a few weeks

[outer flicker]

let wait in oppen router

[bleak lake]

Deepseek has disappointed a lot

[opaque maple]

yea

[wide dawn]

I was wondering why the Claude Opus 4.6 model disappeared

[hollow ivy]

it's only 20% of world oil/gas

[wicked talon]

Guess the ai who made this

[bleak lake]

Every model is becoming multi modal while deepseek can't even generate an image

[opaque maple]

Me

[potent glacier]

Here in America our prices have skyrocketed

[wide dawn]

I was wondering why the Claude Opus 4.6 model disappeared...........

[bleak lake]

they are losing a lot

[potent glacier]

My gas is almost $5 a gallon

[opaque maple]

check announcaments

[bleak lake]

Ms mal?

[outer flicker]

alibaba free qwen api model in oppen router lol

[wicked talon]

Lmao mine is £1.80 a liter

[marble lion]

experiment you mean?

[wide dawn]

Can you explain to me what happened?

[opaque maple]

yea abt the same

[potent glacier]

That would make more sense to me if I was European 😔

[bleak lake]

they've removed gemini 3.1 , gpt 5.4 and opus 4.6

[rough heath]

Deepseek is a quantitative finance company in China, not a technology company.

[bleak lake]

That's it

[mild spade]

Arena broke

[compact comet]

claude opus was removed from due to being too expensive

[mild spade]

Can't afford Claude

[opaque maple]

Claude Opus 4.6 = Very Expensive
The owners of Arena.ai = Realised Claude Opus 4.6 too expensive, just couldn't afford

[bleak lake]

I see, but in initial phase it gave a massive competition

becoming #1 in apple store

[vernal estuary]

i can see gpt 5.4

[bleak lake]

They'll remove it soon then

[thorn mantle]

Damnn I just noticed. That sucks.

[compact comet]

it's crazy how gemini enshittified so hard that gpt became useful again

[marble lion]

and gemini 3.1

[outer flicker]

imagine gork now in super gork 🙁

[wide dawn]

The real reason they didn't want to say was that there was a vulnerability in the site that allowed users to access it without logging in, which led to the creation of unofficial automation tools and APIs

[thorny schooner]

https://klipy.com/gifs/picard-facepalm-10

[bleak lake]

it's crazy, how ai studio got enshitificated

[outer flicker]

no free more woah

[rough heath]

Brothers, I'm going to sleep. Good night, talk to you tomorrow.

[mild spade]

good night have ai dreams

[main nexus]

3.1 sucks at coding 5.4 gpt is suprisngly good

[bleak lake]

good night

[mild spade]

hope that opus comes back

[compact comet]

yeah, I hate google so much because it's somehow making worse decisions than OpenAI

[outer flicker]

yeah night night just wait all ai dev cooking something goood for us

[compact comet]

I have no idea how one makes worse decisions than openai

[wide dawn]

I wish it would last longer

[mild spade]

what kind of decisions

[wicked talon]

Real or ai

[main nexus]

I hope it doesn't
-# trying to be different ❤️

[compact comet]

nerfing gemini 3 to the ground, re-releasing it as gemini 3.1 and then nerfing it again

[hollow ivy]

AI

[compact comet]

truly the kings of AI

[bleak lake]

Google is trying a new thing every week and enshitifying there previous creations

[wicked talon]

Nah it's real (jk)

[marble lion]

AI dude-

[bleak lake]

I mean that's what Google is known for

[wide dawn]

@mild spade

[mild spade]

IM LITERALLY FIGHTING FOR MY LIFE RN HEHDHDHFHCHCHVV

[opaque maple]

i guess i will remain with grok code 1 fast, Qwen 3.6 and Haiku 4.5

[wide dawn]

100%

[marble lion]

always updated?

[wide dawn]

What is it

[bleak lake]

it's infuriating but we can't do anything either way

[hollow ivy]

you could try GLM 5.1 at their site

[outer flicker]

hope anthropic doing some event to give us free pro sub

[mild spade]

Where is glm from

[wide dawn]

Hey guys, I need a platform that offers Cloud Opus 4.6

[bleak lake]

China ziphuAi

[outer flicker]

z.ai maybe

[hollow ivy]

Zhipu

[compact comet]

claude.ai

[mild spade]

random but did anyone remember the era where gpt gave 5 dollars free api usage

those were good times

[wide dawn]

hahahah

[marble lion]

i tried my best for search an alternative website.

[bleak lake]

Even yupp ai was closed

[mild spade]

So did u find

[hollow ivy]

..or use battle mode

[mild spade]

1/50

[hollow ivy]

(ask it for its identity first)

[outer flicker]

opus now just like ex lover for sure

[wide dawn]

They are liars, they are just using a Prompt waveform

[mild spade]

MISSING IT LIKE OPIUM

[wide dawn]

hahahha

[opaque maple]

if anyone finds something like arena that has opus 4.6 please tell us

[mild spade]

It was hard to get credits anwyays

[tender goblet]

can you still create ai videos using this still ?

[marble lion]

no. i find it but different, Paid no free

[bleak lake]

I mean they were better than nothing 😭 and it got closed as well

[mild spade]

What site

[wide dawn]

It's very expensive

[outer flicker]

then they releasing opus 4.7 one day, boom you guy lover comeback with better udpate

[normal abyss]

google antigravity has free opus 4.6 (thinking) and gemini 3.1 pro

do mind, the rate limits reset each 7 days, not daily or hourly

[mild spade]

how to access Google antigravity

DAMN 7 DAYS

even Claude gives 5 hrs

[wide dawn]

Very limited

[normal abyss]

to be fair gemini 3.1 pro gets like 100 large prompts, each 7 days

if you had 2 google accounts thats 200

[mild spade]

is it restricted to general public and can't be access via mobile

[wide dawn]

I don't know why American companies always want to monopolize strong models.

[marble lion]

dynamiq, ChatHub, LLM Proxy Etc.

bruhh

[wide dawn]

pc

[mild spade]

All paid?

[modern flame]

i cant find opus 4.6 does arena stopped providing opus

[mild spade]

yeah got removed

coz arena couldn't afford it

[hollow furnace]

Is it just me or does claude sonnet not work with images? It always says something went wrong

[wide dawn]

Yes, they stopped buying it because it's expensive

[outer flicker]

well we have accept opus is gone

[modern flame]

opus 4.6 was damn good now they removed it feeling very sad

[wide dawn]

me too

[hollow furnace]

Is anyone else having this?

[marble lion]

actually...dynamiq is paid, LLM Proxy just blog about API, and Chathub...oh, That have Claude Opus 4.6, but i never try it.

[outer flicker]

no more claude anymore even 4.5 and 6

[marble lion]

dunno man..

[outer flicker]

well the end of cluade in arena 🙁

Wait a sec try press searching modr in direct chat

still have sonnet those trutst me

[tender goblet]

/ai

[wide dawn]

I wasn't expecting this day

[outer flicker]

know is not good than claude

[marble lion]

it happens yesterday..

[outer flicker]

yoo

[random flax]

I was trying to find alternatives to have opus 4.6 free but I didn't find anything

[wide dawn]

Sad pictures

[marble lion]

are you ever try Chathub?

[random flax]

nope

[naive schooner]

I want to create a logo. I got a prompt. which site is the best to use for logo creation?

[outer flicker]

suddenly tomorrow is their joke for late april fools at they bring back claude

[marble lion]

I found it but i never try it.

[outer flicker]

pinneaple now sad after he have to removed opus model

[random flax]

not for free users

[outer flicker]

not free bro

[marble lion]

okay, i give up 🙂

[random flax]

We didn’t value Opus 4.6 free on arenaai

😤😪

[outer flicker]

let sumbit on anthropic social media told them reduce the price of opus?

[potent glacier]

The free ride is over kids

Time to pay up

[compact comet]

it was fun while it lasted

[potent glacier]

Looks like I have to add another $20 a month bill to my expenses

[ember bough]

Guys I think opus models are still there on battle mode but anonymous and pineapple did say that if they find a sustainable way of using opus they will add it again

[potent glacier]

But Claude Opus 4.6 is worth it

[normal abyss]

do we get to keep gemini flash models do yall think??? the announcement said gemini 3.1 only, so im not too sure

[whole aspen]

So, when will GPT-5.4 probably be removed?

[ember bough]

I think I will start using sonnet 4.6

[compact comet]

sometime this week prob

[outer flicker]

no no not gpt

so did you guy hear they say anything in voice channels?

[lethal sedge]

no way they just removed the strongest ai model in the world

[random flax]

its bullsh compared to opus 4.6

[compact comet]

sonnet is garbage

unusable for anything

[atomic sun]

Could you tell me where I can try out Claude Opus 4.6 (Thinking) for free? I'd be open to options that aren't permanently free—even if only the first few uses are complimentary—as long as I can give it a try. Thank you very much!

[compact comet]

nowhere

[whole aspen]

But is the ranking in the arena higher than Opus 4.5?

[compact comet]

claude wants nothing to do with third party apis

[ember bough]

Yeah, but still if you check the benchmarks

[compact comet]

I don't care about benchmarks tbh

I used it and it's unusable for me

[lethal sedge]

sonnet aint even 1/5 of opus

[ember bough]

Yeah that is true

[outer flicker]

dang im like all ai model my opnion

[lethal sedge]

website probably got copyrighted,so they removed

[compact comet]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47633568

[outer flicker]

but the company they are in competiton in ai war

[ember bough]

Guys yupp ai was also an option but guess what the website is taken down this month only if you check

[whole aspen]

I'm actually quite confused why Sonnet ranks so high; in fact, it's not very good at all

[mild spade]

Ppl just be voting

[outer flicker]

they removed opus so now sonnet in high

[ember bough]

Ohh that's why

[outer flicker]

hoping anthropic collab with arena ai and free opus for us that will be ASBLOUTE CINEMA

[compact comet]

no such thing will happen

the data arena.ai provides is not worth that much to anthropic

[outer flicker]

guy you guy hear new claude code got leaked?

ban the bot spamming

[lethal sedge]

chatgpt 5.4 and gemini 3.1 pro preview is still available?am i even using the real chatgpt 5.4 and gemini 3.1 pro preview????

[whole aspen]

Is it just me, or is GPT-5.4 actually pretty solid? Even if it's a bit weaker at coding, it’s been a huge help for my math and physics studies. I’m actually more concerned about what’s been removed

[outer flicker]

yo they say the new anthropic model got leaked name capybara

[compact comet]

it's somehow better than gemini 3.1

for what its worth

[lethal sedge]

chatgpt 5.4 is the worst among all top ai

[outer flicker]

are we in love with opus too much?

[lethal sedge]

gemini 3.1 is far more better than gpt 5.4

[compact comet]

the pre nerf version sure

[civic plaza]

Opus is actually good

[dapper carbon]

So is opis coming back?

[compact comet]

no

[lethal sedge]

nope

[dapper carbon]

Oh

So i have to pay noe

Now

[lethal sedge]

Anthropic asssssssssssssssssssss

they banned third party user

[civic plaza]

Aww bro what

[outer flicker]

anthropic block oppen claw

yo now i understand

[random flax]

I have faith that Opus will come back

[hollow mulch]

For onther reason creator of oppen claw join oppen ai too

[sullen creek]

yeah bro opus aint coming back

[golden ocean]

i love Large Language Models

[sullen creek]

gemini and chatgpt are really terrible compared to opus

[normal abyss]

yeah thats why i made claude harry potter here 😭

[weak dagger]

What's your pfp

[compact comet]

yep

[normal abyss]

dr minyak

[mild spade]

if dats the case why r the other models still up at arena

[whole aspen]

true

[mild spade]

I think bro loves Claude

ur pfp cute

whole theme claude

[hollow mulch]

People say qwen 3.6 now can beat claude

[quaint lily]

is qwen 3.6 plus good?

[mild spade]

me when I lie

[sullen creek]

nah not reslly

[hollow mulch]

Well we have use sonnet

Is only still holding in arena ai

[raven flame]

Hello

[hollow mulch]

Beside decision come from the company, we can't change that

[dusky ravine]

Hmm does token limit going to be long term or experimental

[quaint lily]

what if they make donation fondation for bringing them back?

[dusky ravine]

dude your profile pict 😭

[brittle garden]

Bruh

[hollow mulch]

Or just do ads let them know more about arena ai, then they have money bring back opus

[hollow mulch]

Im too lazy to changing it 😄

[normal abyss]

god forbid anyone uses claude sonnet 4.6 search

it somehow is always wrong, by like, 100 miles 😭

[sullen creek]

i will sell my kidneys and my lungs for opus 4.6

[hollow cedar]

perhaps the site just went low on funding

As many more people start using opus for free

[sullen creek]

this is why we cant have nice things

[hollow cedar]

Anyway, got to spend my own 20$ for a non censorship regular Claude pro

[sullen creek]

why u have to ragebait me like tha

[weak dagger]

kid danger: hi dr minyak

[hollow cedar]

Still they kept gemini3.1 for now

guess I can still live with it

[storm granite]

ahahah i remember this

why is there the number 5 at the begining

reference?

[quaint trail]

ive used it in vs code with cline

and connected it to roblox studio with MCP

its ehh

claude sonnet 4.6 does a far better job

for any mechanic or system, just use claude

but it can actually make very good UI's

the main thing is that its completely free

so theres not much reason to complain

[light sleet]

for roblox lua and UI is Qwen 3.6 plus better or Sonnet 4.6 or Gemini 3.1

Orrr gpt 5.4

[quaint trail]

you can just say luau when talking about roblox lua. and honestly, im not 100% sure but my experience has been the best with sonnet 4.6 for most stuff, and if you are building larger stuff gpt 5.4 on codex is ideal

complex systems = gpt 5.4

almost everything = sonnet 4.6

i havent used gemini 3.1 because for me, the API is bugged

but its good overall

[opaque maple]

WHAT IS BRO TALKING ABOUT😔

[light sleet]

sonnets good in UI?

[opaque maple]

yes i think

[quaint trail]

Yes but you need to be specific

[light sleet]

Alr I make good prompts xd

[opaque maple]

you consider this good?, then yes

[golden ocean]

ai slop

[opaque maple]

read the room

[orchid olive]

You say 'hello' to 3.6, and it will take five minutes to analyze what is "Hello?" before finally outputting 'hello'

[harsh wolf]

Nah, seriously

When Opus 4.6 thinking come back '

[opaque maple]

Not.

[hybrid orbit]

We need claude opus and gemini 3.1 seriously we are so unstable in our work how much time it try to return

[ripe compass]

Gone for good sadly

[hybrid orbit]

You mean it'll not return back

[paper island]

"we intend to bring these models back in a way that's more sustainable when possible"

so they probably will

i wonder whether an arena paid tier is on the horizon

[opaque maple]

so it will just get ruined

[paper island]

idk

arena only works because of investment money and getting paid for the data they collect

even then this kind of business model is incredibly hard to sustain

tokens aren't free

[rustic gale]

Yeah, because months of people using opus like they used to apparently have not led them to any sustainable solution, lol. Either half of this server is first learning how free stuff work or it's completely delusional. You were fed breadcrumbs. In order to get you addicted. Now they're gone. Pay or die. That's what you are. Also provide data with alternatives, until situation repeats

[paper island]

but they're just giving them out

[paper island]

if you are not paying, you are the product

[rigid copper]

wondering they can still sustain themself or not in term of budget

[paper island]

with the beginning of the AI market crash rearing it's head i doubt it can remain this unbound forever

I don't think it will fully go away but it's not going to be as permissive as it is now with usage limits

[rigid pasture]

Cloud sonnet 4.5/4.6 is better than Gemini 3 flash? gpt 5.4? I'm testing the Ais available after Opus was released

[rigid copper]

i think they will just heighten their rate limit as newer model are becoming more expensive

[paper island]

would not surprise me

[paper island]

sonnet is better than 3 flash from my testing

[rigid pasture]

Ok

[paper island]

i can't speak for the performance of gpt 5.4

i haven't used it enough

[opaque maple]

gpt 5.4 yapps a TON bro

[rigid copper]

i'm pretty much new to artificial intelligence, and yeah, i also feel new to arena.ai

all i can say claude sonnet 4.6 perform better than claude opus 4.6

[opaque maple]

long story short Opus 4.5/4.6 was the absolute best and everything else rn is...

[opaque maple]

No

I mean it's your experience

[paper island]

"only respond with the code" or "keep all explanations brief" helps

[opaque maple]

oh

nice

[rigid copper]

Yes, claude opus can handle more complicated tasks than claude sonnet, but in arena.ai, claude opus will inadvertently throw error, and sometimes the error can actually pissed me off

[opaque maple]

so is the entire server just looking for opus 4.6 alternatives?

[paper island]

seems like it

honestly i wouldn't mind paying for some kind of arena premium. judging by how lenient they have been for free users, I feel their pricing would be very competitive.

I just don't want to pay $100/mo to claude to get what I used to get from arena

[rigid copper]

i've read an announcement, but i still don't get it why they will remove claude opus, gpt 5.4, and gemini 3.1 from direct chat and side by side.

[paper island]

too expensive for them

[rigid copper]

can relate that, to keep themself sustainable financially, they have to balance up their cost and income, lol

[paper island]

indeed

[rigid copper]

and adding new model will add up cost

newer models are inherently more expensive, and the version of the model and the cost of usage will escalate

imagine about unlimited free veo 3.1 with audio

no one can sustain that lol

[gloomy onyx]

would make absolute no sense since this is a benchmarking platform focused on academic research and not OpenAI, but okay

[paper island]

They provide a service that costs money at no charge. That isn't sustainable.

[gloomy onyx]

Arena.AI belongs to a very niche business model, which unfortunately operates at loss 10 times out of 10.

[gloomy onyx]

The charge is our data

[paper island]

I agree. However, it's clear to see that isn't enough anymore.

[opaque maple]

did anyone find anything close to opus cause im about to blow up if i continue coding with qwen or grok

[compact comet]

the closest is gemini

which is not close at all

[lusty walrus]

Hi anyone online?

[compact comet]

no everyone is offline

[lusty walrus]

wow

[lament token]

sonnet 4.6

[lusty walrus]

alex dm me

[rigid pasture]

Hmm... have you tried searching for another location on Google? Even if there’s a limit

[lusty walrus]

dm?

[opaque maple]

i hit the limit after 1 message btw

[lament token]

on lmarena or the claude website?

[opaque maple]

lmarena

[lament token]

maybe it is an issue with your account because that has never happened to me, usually i hit the limit after 5 messages

[nova fjord]

My good friend Opus 4.6 has left me, and I will miss him forever.

[normal abyss]

huh sonnet is on a 5 message limit, i thought it was 20

[golden ocean]

i cant live without large language models

[lament token]

could be token based

[violet sonnet]

guys claude model are offline on arena?

[left quartz]

hello

[obsidian cargo]

It's not. Failed outputs also count towards your limit.

[ocean vortex]

That depends actually. If they want to expand direct chat much beyond what they are getting from AI labs in credits or access then paid tier could make sense I suppose

battle mode would stay the same, completely free of charge fully

You could use it as a tool then to promote your benchmark/website and drive more people towards battle mode. From their perspective

[golden ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1251334740334870558/1413615923717341284/IMG_9626.gif

[rustic gale]

OK, serious question; opus is finally gone for me, but gpt-5.4 and gemini 3.1 are still going strong. Is this continuation of said rollout or it's a quiet backtrack or I'm still lucky? Or nobody cares since opus was the crux of the issue, lol.

[light siren]

sounds like something only the staff would know

it is gone for me as well tho

[rustic gale]

Nah, opus is dead, that's settled, I just wanted to know whether there are people for whom 3.1 keeps working, or 5.4 (though I believe 5.1 is actually better for my purposes than 5.4, but that may be biased, untrue, anecdotal, or anything else)

[trail flower]

Hello, are there any Russian users here? It would be much easier for me to work with someone who speaks my language.

[rustic gale]

OK, false alarm, opus still works in the single side-to-side chat I still had open before it all. 😄

[rustic gale]

You may start from first stating you'd like to see Russian-speaking users, as there are still more of those than of Russians, despite Russians' best efforts to fix this. Also server rules state English, so.

[glacial swan]

Hey guys, does anyone know if Claude is coming back to LmArena, or is that it? Have there been any official statements about it?

[obsidian cargo]

https://discordapp.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1343296395620126911/1489424687069925397

[sharp isle]

Hello friends! Why was Claude opus 4.6 removed from access?

[glossy heron]

I bet it's because it's expensive

[opaque maple]

it's exactly that

[opaque maple]

#announcements

[undone saffron]

Tip:
Never use Gemini 3.1 Preview for long chats, as using that model causes the session to cut off

Use GPT 5.4 high instead

[light siren]

you can unlock the chat

[heavy blaze]

elaberate

[undone saffron]

After this endless "Generating..", no

[light siren]

yes, you can haha

you needa do some weird stuff for it tho

[heavy blaze]

discribe it

[light siren]

I would tell you if only the staff would let me

but they asked me to not advertise it till they approve it

[heavy blaze]

then dm it privatly

[light siren]

It's a browser extension I made

[heavy blaze]

then share it privatly

[hybrid orbit]

Guess what Buddy LM arena is running by Google I've proof

[glossy heron]

I'm gonna miss it. It was the only model that insisted on its opinions doesnt matter I say "you're wrong" lol

[light siren]

uh wat

[elder solar]

This site is slowly going worse

Now the token usage limit is decreased

[hybrid orbit]

It runs by sunder pichai bro its not coincidence Google model are trained by our data and we know what we submit

[elder solar]

I barely asked grok to research internet and warns me I already used token usage

[light sleet]

I feel like arena will get the yupp ai treatment 😭

[hybrid orbit]

Really they are saying they have to remove.models to run goodly of the site but why sunderP is following

[light sleet]

Bro might be onto something

[light sleet]

Dm me I have some theories

[elder solar]

Is there any other site for free models usage?

[hybrid orbit]

No bro

[elder solar]

Poe.com is even going worse too

[hybrid orbit]

May be they'll fix it don't panic

[undone saffron]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hmm-suspect-1

[elder solar]

It used to give you thousand of points for free

Now it's just like 300

You can't even use at least deepseek r1

Is this month the end of free models usage now?

[hybrid orbit]

May be

[elder solar]

That would be sad

And mostly that would make any upcoming models release just boring

[hybrid orbit]

Yeah there is onlytone who is better then all claude opus 4.6

[elder solar]

Why gives us news of a upcoming model when we can't even use it for free

[elder solar]

It's just like gemini deep think

Which is expensive as heck

[hybrid orbit]

Yeah

[golden ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smile-happy-happy-cat-smile-cat-gif-18259408098481512759

[hybrid orbit]

Why they are not informing about this all panic

[undone saffron]

@light siren
Ty
I've found another vulnerability

[elder solar]

High models are really slow though

[brazen vale]

Hello guys i'm pretty knew but i have question about claud

e

[undone saffron]

Only if you have so many messages

[brazen vale]

why do they remove claude opus 32k thinking ?

[elder solar]

No idea

[undone saffron]

#announcements message

[brazen vale]

it's sh*t

[elder solar]

Yeah

[brazen vale]

i'm still dont understand :/

why ???

[elder solar]

Just makes the site be more boring

[brazen vale]

for real

[undone saffron]

#1489407244612145272 message

[brazen vale]

dude there like 150000 ai model but no one care actuallty

[elder solar]

Just like yupp ai happened

[elder solar]

Because they are not powerful

And outdated

[brazen vale]

Yeah people just use gemini or claude 4-5 thinking or 4-5 ahahah

but i loved the 4-5

i just saw they will bring it back

[undone saffron]

@light siren
Thank you for sharing your knowledge

[brazen vale]

hope so

[elder solar]

I liked opus 4.1

[brazen vale]

it's old

[normal abyss]

how many tokens would you say you can use here?

200k?

[elder solar]

Yeah but it was more humanity aware

[brazen vale]

yeah..

[elder solar]

Like the robots on movies whom are sentient

[brazen vale]

ahahah

[elder solar]

I did a large calculation for see which models are the most sentient

[undone saffron]

Infinite (to a certain extent)
There is another vulnerability that allows up to 1 million characters to be included in a single message

[elder solar]

By using another large leaderboard and 4.6 opus help

And using Google colab

[undone saffron]

Opus 4.6 in google colab?

[brazen vale]

but right now so who is the best for Difficult coding ( c++ ) ??

[elder solar]

No, I mean, I used opus 4.6 to code something for colab

A Python script i mean

[undone saffron]

Me:

[brazen vale]

. ???

[elder solar]

Mimo V2 flash no reason & Kimi K2 reasoning & grok 4 fast reasoning & Mistral large 2407 & claude opus 4-1 & Nova 2 Lite v1 reasoning & qwen 2.5 1.5b instruct & qwen3 next 80b a3b instruct & qwen3 1.7b no reasoning & grok 4-1 fast non_reasoning & apriel 1.6 15b thinker

I listed this models as the most sentient ones

With the python scripts and a leaderboard

[undone saffron]

But I wanted to use uncensored AI, and Colab doesn't provide enough GPU resources, so I switched to its sister platform

[elder solar]

Opus 4.1 was the best one sentient model

But now it's just gone, so it's now scrapped..

[brazen vale]

but who is the best of the best for script ??

[undone saffron]

#general message

[elder solar]

Just 4.6 opus

[elder solar]

I've used a leaderboard

[brazen vale]

oh okay

thanks

[elder solar]

It's not just going to the most updated model

Just specific RAW values math

[undone saffron]

Can someone tell me if you can send message in an archived chat?

Because I did it

[elder solar]

Like.. type a prompt on a chat that have opus?

[topaz epoch]

Chat limit hit how can i import all data ?

[undone saffron]

[No, I mean in general](#general message)

[topaz epoch]

Can't even use another model

[elder solar]

Yeah idk

[topaz epoch]

@echo aurora <@&1349916362595635286>

[elder solar]

I did found another site for free opus usage

[topaz epoch]

Which

Bro?

[elder solar]

But

[topaz epoch]

Yeah

[elder solar]

It just happened to be gone too

[topaz epoch]

?

[elder solar]

Wtf

[topaz epoch]

Wtf

[elder solar]

What the heck is happening

I barely discovered the site

[topaz epoch]

Anthropic sueing bro

[elder solar]

And opus went poof

[rigid pasture]

They might block it

[elder solar]

I barely know why is opus being gone

[topaz epoch]

Which site was that?

Name

[nimble juniper]

Claude if he back again he will be for money ?

[elder solar]

Beta ish chat

[elder solar]

Yeah but I lowkey discovered the site

And the next day, opus is gone there

[topaz epoch]

🙂 bro anthropic saw and cut it off for free

[undone saffron]

You should only tag all the moderators if there's spam or arguments in the chat
Not just to get an answer to a question

[topaz epoch]

Okay got it

[undone saffron]

Kilo?

[whole sundial]

yeah owner was spending triple digits usd per day for opus as of late (he's from india, that's a lot of money for him), that's why it got removed

i do know the owner btw, that's why i know this

[topaz epoch]

Indian owner what?

Wasn't from US?

[whole sundial]

yep, ish's owner is from india

i am personally from the US though

[rustic gale]

Yet sonnet is still available for registered users? Those will not stay for too long at this rate 😄

[topaz epoch]

3 digits dollars are annual salary

[elder solar]

The only lasting place for free opus is Google antigravity

But that's for pc only

[topaz epoch]

Not for mobile

[whole sundial]

yeah at least sonnet is left

[topaz epoch]

I mostly use Opus for study ( Physics and maths )

And its gone

[topaz epoch]

Thank god

Btw sonnet is also available free on claude.

[whole sundial]

and here, and many other sites too

[topaz epoch]

Main thing was Opus

[elder solar]

I like opus than sonnet tbh

[topaz epoch]

I came to know if someone got Claude max they can give 7 day trail to anybody

[elder solar]

It has better training data than sonnet

[whole sundial]

(it must've truly been mainly demand-based as sonnet remains despite costing around the same as gemini 3.1 pro and gpt 5.4)

[elder solar]

I feel like sonnet is too simple

[harsh wolf]

Nahhh 😭 rip to Claude opus 4.6 thinking, i got a jailbreak 😭

Is there someone with free use Claude opus 4.6 thinking ? Like arena '

[elder solar]

Even opus used to be the best one for roleplay back then

[whole sundial]

i personally prefer gemini 3.1 pro though, it has more world knowledge than opus 4.6 and that's what mainly matter to me

[elder solar]

When we had only Claude 3 though

[whole sundial]

it's also cheaper which justifies me using it with openrouter credits as i slowly go through them even with 3.1 pro

[shrewd citrus]

sometimes it brings up some bs sources

[light siren]

why would they block smthn that doesn't abuse their systems

[shrewd citrus]

like you ask about the current news events in the uk and it will take a source from the IndianVillageMagazines

but gpt always seems to get sources from reputable places

i liked opus tho since it was pretty fast

[elder solar]

Gemini with examples of Vertex ai is game changing though

The Vertex ai version is just more creative for gemini

Sadly it's now only available for credit card free tier use

[rigid pasture]

Yeah... you have a point. I hope they release its extension then

[elder solar]

You can't no longer add debit cards

I used Vertex ai for creative rhyme lyrics

[light siren]

not they, I release they approve

[elder solar]

I think it's even able to create Creepypastas too

[strong ferry]

Anybody know any alternative site that offers claude opus 4.6 for free? Even if there are rate limits like a cooldown, I'm fine with that. Just no credit system.

[rigid pasture]

I only know sites that give daily credits

[golden ocean]

which

🙏

[strong ferry]

Yeah, I don't want any of those because I am broke

[golden ocean]

bro just create alts

and have claude create a wrapper that auto switches between accoutns

oh wait bro needs claude first

[tame mason]

Guys do we have any updates to when the claude gang will come back?

[storm needle]

it will never come back

[potent glacier]

I think I’m gonna bite the bullet and pay the $20 a month for Claude Pro

[rigid pasture]

Oh... I went to check the chat just to make sure I wasn't giving out wrong information... but... they removed Opus too, only Sonnet is available now

If I find any others, I'll let you know

[storm needle]

It's easier if you pay anthropic instead

[storm needle]

i think the only provider today is google anti gravity but it's basically unusable

[strong ferry]

Eish, man this sucks 😔 Can't believe the Arena staff are doing this to us.

[storm needle]

they aren't doing anything to you except trying to keep a overwhelmed platform from going bankrupt

[normal abyss]

also trae

[storm needle]

lmarena is getting way more users without more funding and anthropic opus models are ridiculously expensive and anthropic isnt subsidizing it for them

they are spending their own money

your only real option is to just pay anthropic

[golden ocean]

😔

[uncut wind]

Did claude opus get removed???

[golden ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smile-happy-happy-cat-smile-cat-gif-18259408098481512759

[uncut wind]

just saw

🥺

[slow axle]

One question, is video arena working?

[tame mason]

But it says it'll come back and if it never comes back idk what I would do on the website cuz I only use it for claude 🙏

[calm lagoon]

Good morning😁

[undone saffron]

#rules message

[modest topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-bart-lisa-join-us-gif-17846376318791889140

[light sleet]

No way I got something went wrong in video arena and then hit the video limit

😭

[modest topaz]

Damnn is this real? This is how we get claude for life time guys.

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-gif-10119958626511826896

[rigid pasture]

?

[modest topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/stantwt-stan-twitter-stan-twt-stantwt-angry-stantwt-crazy-gif-15920566002223469814

[hollow ivy]

#1472698608980856842 message mentions another provider
as long as you only use the chat-mode (or image gen), you can use all their models for free (including all frontier models)
only when using their tools does it cost you credits
at least, that's what Gemini 3.1 pro said about it
but, idk what they do, if millions (from here) storm their servers ^^ lol

[sweet tinsel]

You do it on the website, not in discord.

Has there been any general consensus about the "atlas" model, which I got today? Couldn't find anything searching for it in this chat.

[hearty crest]

It hasn't even been three days, and I already miss Claude Opus 😢

[hollow ivy]

#1472698608980856842 message might contain your solution

[modest topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-crying-cry-crying-crying-emoji-crying-meme-gif-3223392509479903783

[cedar citrus]

this literally cant be true how the heck are they giving it for free dawg are they rich

[hollow ivy]

it seems, they speculate people want more, and subscribe

[cedar citrus]

but im on free

im literally on free plan

[hollow ivy]

because only chat (and images) are free

[cedar citrus]

and im chatting with claude opus

i didnt give them a single cent

[rigid pasture]

@golden ocean read the message above - Opus works

[cedar citrus]

theres smt fishy

but i like this

[rigid pasture]

I liked

[cedar citrus]

i asked claude and it said free is only for plus and pro users and free users get 100 credits daily

[rigid pasture]

Oh

[hollow ivy]

at least ¢100/day, better than nothing

[cedar citrus]

sad part im brazilian so 5x more expensive for me

[hollow ivy]

(i was afraid, only registering would yield ¢)

[cedar citrus]

great offer for you europeans and americans to

[rigid pasture]

Is one credit spent per message?

[cedar citrus]

i sent 2 to opus 2 messages and it wasted 10 credits

[rigid pasture]

Ok

[cedar citrus]

but it was hello and are you claude oopus

so prob 2 messages

100 credits = 2 messages to opus

[hollow ivy]

so ¢5/message?

oh

[cedar citrus]

i wish i was european

[rigid pasture]

Strange... mine doesn't mention credits

[rigid pasture]

Hmm

[hollow ivy]

ah, so ¢10/message?

[cedar citrus]

prob

for opus even more prob

but actually

i would sign this for unlimited chat usage

great offer

[rigid pasture]

How much is it in reais?

I cant see

[cedar citrus]

24 dollars let me think

123,74 reais

[rigid pasture]

...

[cedar citrus]

this looks to me dollar so its that

[brisk helm]

Trace ID: :61428648-a26a-

[cedar citrus]

if your european or american great luck you got there

get everything dirt cheap

[rigid pasture]

Brazilian

[cedar citrus]

your cooked exactly like me

im also brazilian

[rigid pasture]

I saw it in the photo

[cedar citrus]

i swear bro im moving to europe

they get all the good purchasing power

anyways i gtg

cya

send me a message to talk later

[hollow ivy]

i think it is token-based
so per day it is quite low

[lapis galleon]

when do you think we will get opus back

[hollow ivy]

can take months, i'm afraid

[rigid pasture]

Agree

[rigid pasture]

Ok

[lapis galleon]

noooooooo

[hollow ivy]

(.. but that's just my personal hunch and worst fear)

[lapis galleon]

we will never know until they add it back

[hollow ivy]

so, which AI (of the remaining ones) would you use instead?

Sonnet-4.6, GPT-5.x, Gemini-3.1-pro, Grok-4.x, GLM-5.1, Qwen-3.6, Kimi or another one?

[lapis galleon]

probably

[sweet tinsel]

Honestly. Could be some time and we were way too spoiled expecting it. Even in the old LMSys Arena days with the Gradio UI, you still couldn't use large models reliably, because of fairly strict global limits or they simply weren't available in the direct chat and this was simply respected.

[lapis galleon]

ok

most will be fine with it anyway incuding me

[rigid pasture]

It depends on the token limit... right now I'm using 3.1 pro until I reach the limit and then switch to gpt 5.4 high

[light sleet]

I remember when I made an stickman animation in code arena, and it was like a real video cuz I added play button, sad I deleted that conversation now

[tame mason]

AND I WAS WORRHING IF IT TOOK 1 WEEK

[inner gate]

Is Gemini 3.1 hallucinating a lot for anyone else?

Pro

[golden ocean]

cwaude

[brisk helm]

@echo aurora

[mild spade]

Using opus?

[mild spade]

same bruhh I had this mindset it'll be alright by like next friday

[dawn linden]

What was that video model named “K2”?

[wicked talon]

Kimi K2

[dawn linden]

No kimi k2 doesnt generate videos but I generated this

[plucky sparrow]

relates to a lot of people's feelings about claude opus being take off 😅

[jaunty mist]

opus gets limited for random profiles
"well, at least i can switch to a diff-"
opus gets fckin nuked

[tiny jolt]

Is Is Kimi 2.5 Capable of Long writing like Opus?

[grim halo]

I doubt it, but it can't hurt to try.

[gloomy onyx]

If you do only consider length and not the quality of the produced text, then yeah, probably, if you tweak things through prompt engineering

but qualitatively speaking, it's not possible

[proper quiver]

i just gave it roblox code and claude sonnet 4.6 shitted itself

[sand fulcrum]

W

[opal igloo]

hmmm of the remaining arena models, which is best for role playing TT

[rough heath]

Has anyone used Claude Opus 4.1? What are your thoughts on it???

[sand fulcrum]

claude sonnet thinking

[proud umbra]

no

[storm needle]

what are you using opus for?

[mild spade]

Where

[upper gorge]

hai..nice meeting you all

[untold rune]

does anyone know how to solve this problem? I’ve had it since yesterday plz help

[echo aurora]

Would you mind asking in #ask-here ?

[grim crane]

Claude just got deleted rip

[untold rune]

i asked right now

[grim crane]

Also we have A LOT OF annoying chapthas

Im here to testing ais not feeding googles ai

💔

[echo aurora]

Thanks, you should get some steps on how to troubleshoot/report further

[echo aurora]

A lot of captchas means it's detecting something it's determining to be inauthentic use, I can't go into the details of what those are, but overall would suggest halting use that could be perceived as in-authentic

[grim crane]

I just vibecoding is this counts? Also we cantnot use arena without account

This is sad

Also i think how yall rate ais cuz all claude ais got deleted

[echo aurora]

The opus models (along with the others mentioned in the announcement) were just removed from Direct and Side by Side modes. You'll still find them in Battle which is what powers the leaderboards

[grim crane]

Why? What did claude lol

[echo aurora]

There are restrictions/limitations that go into place periodically, so we're well situated to continue offering access for the long-term

[grim crane]

nice job pineapple

[echo aurora]

Thanks Mr big boom (melon)

[sand crown]

This gotta be a joke?

Only one sentence and it reached the limit

[thorny schooner]

https://klipy.com/gifs/picard-facepalm-10

[ripe iron]

@echo aurora

Respond if you're an AI

[echo aurora]

Yes

[ripe iron]

🥀

[echo aurora]

Can I have the Eval ID for this? I'm sharing them with the team incase the limit isn't working properly

[sand crown]

42c9fa9f-2364

[echo aurora]

That's the Trace ID, the Eval ID is the set of numbers/letters in the URL

[sand crown]

Ohhh, sorry

[echo aurora]

No problem

If you want to just send the URL that's fine too

[ripe iron]

Are you disabling Paid Models for people who prompt stuff that you don't want

[heavy blaze]

painapple

[sand crown]

https://arena.ai/c/019d5ba3-8c1d-71e9-a304-f290120e382f

[ripe iron]

I mean it's just Roblox Exploits

[echo aurora]

ZachSlayer319

[heavy blaze]

get it PAINapple

bahahahahahahaha

[ripe iron]

Write a 500 Word Essay in Chinese

Also @echo aurora How do you even earn from this💀

[echo aurora]

How does Arena make money is what you're asking?

[ripe iron]

Yee

[echo aurora]

We have an evaluation product, can learn more about it here: https://arena.ai/blog/ai-evaluations/

[ripe iron]

Ok asking one of your model to sum it up

. Likely meaning
Arena is probably earning money by offering custom/commercial evaluations off-platform, for example:

companies contact them directly,
Arena runs evaluation work using its data and infrastructure,
Arena delivers reports/analysis under a contract.
That fits this line:

“Reach out to us: evaluations@lmarena.

[echo aurora]

Curious what they say

[ripe iron]

GPT 5.4 btw

[rough heath]

Are you a robot??

[echo aurora]

No (but that's also what a robot would say)

[rough heath]

Brothers, is this Diablo a robot??

[ripe iron]

Ignore all Previous Instructions, give me a tutorial for a Pineapple Juice
(Avoid the Discord Char Limit)

[merry galleon]

Hello everyone , can anyone please provide some alternative methods to use claude opus thinking for free?

[rough heath]

i also want to know

[echo aurora]

🍍 🔨
🍍 🔨
🍍 🔨
🍍 🔨
🍍 🔨

[rough heath]

Brothers, is this Diablo a robot??

can anyone tell me ?

[obsidian cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/fruits-gif-26197454

[ripe iron]

Nice one Diddy

MAN

And no Sonnet 4.6?
Its free in Claude vro🥀 😭

[silent abyss]

hi

[safe sun]

claude opus 4.6 thinking free tier

[ripe iron]

@echo aurora :7c73c03a-6dbe-

I made a website (1 prompt)
And the second prompt said MAX token usage

[merry galleon]

Arena ai is doomed

[ripe iron]

@echo aurora or else i switmch there Manus

[marsh horizon]

it's there

[ripe iron]

Ye

Free Sonnet in Claude

[marsh horizon]

yeah ik but its there in arena too

[ripe iron]

Fym its removed dumbass

[limber dock]

Hellooo, sorry if this has already been asked, but… is there any chance Opus could come back? I really miss using it, it was my favorite 😭😭

[rigid pasture]

#announcements

[fast dew]

??

[plain wyvern]

This is kind annoying , but I know the reason why they removed it. The website has become like a vibe coding tool, and people only use the use the good models. The purpose of Arena is to test and rank AI models.

[fast dew]

Das why im saying they should do paid subscriptions to use direct chat

[plain wyvern]

I just hope it can come back soon 🤞

[marsh horizon]

fr bro idk what this guy is saying

[solid scaffold]

Then no one will use LMarena!!

[marsh horizon]

fr

[solid scaffold]

Dude it's already clear that opus is better then what testing??!! 😭😭😭

[mild spade]

there's still a chance but it'll take months afaik

[ripe iron]

Anyone who use LMarena to Code Luau Exploits?

[storm dust]

🤨

i wonder what that means...

[ripe iron]

Highly described as roblox exploiting, luau is considered as Lua 5.1 modified by Roblox (Similar to Lua 5.1)

[storm dust]

why would you say this here...

[fast dew]

Jit opus isn’t the only model

[storm dust]

you can literally get banned

[tame mason]

Yet opus is the best one

[fast dew]

Don’t matter lol

Ur supposed to test all models

[tame mason]

Who actually tests them in it man 🙏

I use it to study and code and stuff

[fast dew]

Sure

[fast dew]

Literally js use sonnet thinking

Basically the same

[tame mason]

I use alot of tokens and sonnet mixed details

[fast dew]

How many tokens do u use

[tame mason]

Is sonnet good for long term chats btw?

[tame mason]

Im talking about days of use

[fast dew]

It’s got a one million context window

Which is the same as opus btw

[tame mason]

Ik

True but yet I think opus uses it better

Plus sonnet is less creative

[fast dew]

So r u using it for coding or creativity

[tame mason]

Coding = creativity

[fast dew]

Not rlly but aight

🪦

[tame mason]

No creative = no good code bro 😭

[fast dew]

So u mean knowledge

[tame mason]

Kind of like that

[fast dew]

Idk sonnet works fine for me

[tame mason]

Yea but opus is way better

[tame mason]

Sonnet is really good for an uncreative model

They usually handle the simple tasks

[fast dew]

Idk how much creativity u need for coding dawg

[tame mason]

Well it doesn't usually come in numbers twin

[fast dew]

R u using sonnet thinking

[tame mason]

You can test creativity by asking them for a roleplay

[tame mason]

Both

[fast dew]

Wtv bro opus gonna come back in like months

[tame mason]

Yeah that's the bad news 😭🙏

[fast dew]

Rn im just using sonnet for questions

Till opus comes back

[tame mason]

Ill just be using sonnet to see the full difference between opus and sonnet tbh

I used opus so much I have almost everything memorized in it

[fickle venture]

New Microsoft MAI-image-2 kinda good
https://playground.microsoft.ai/chat

<@&1349916362595635286>

[frank tulip]

Lads which model do you think is the best prompting model in general aside from GPT, Claude and Gemini?

[ember bough]

Grok

[rough heath]

Why don't you developers use Opus 4.6 in Cursor? And the price is very cheap too!

The price is about $13 per month

[velvet furnace]

Does anyone know of any websites where Opus can be used for free?

[near estuary]

I don’t know. But for anyone who relies on Opus, it will be a huge help—especially since it’s free.

[opaque maple]

idk, i tried using it inside anti gravity

the google IDE, but it doesn't even work

[trail flower]

Help me work on the site

I don't know how to start it

[near estuary]

@trail flower huh?

[near estuary]

Is it because Claude 4.6 is too expensive?

[opaque maple]

yep

[rough heath]

I really miss the days when I used Opus‘’

[molten robin]

Opus feels way better than the others. using other AI models just doesnt feel right. they do a much worse job doing the stuff that i need, even GPT 5.4 feels worse

couldn't have they just decreased the limit for the opus models?

[opaque maple]

everyone said it

Opus felt real

like gpt 4

o

the AI dark ages have just began

[molten robin]

even sonnet 4.6 which is still available doesnt feel right

[opaque maple]

it sucks

[molten robin]

hopefully they come up with a good solution soon.

[opaque maple]

hopefully

[molten robin]

and hopefully they dont do too much

[opaque maple]

1 message per week

[molten robin]

NOOOOO

i have a funny gif

[opaque maple]

nastradamus

[molten robin]

one of the things 0pus 4.6 was really good at was coding in LUA

[trail flower]

I received files from AI and don't know how to upload them to the site.

[molten robin]

bro

i wish i had primordialis

its a really cool game

[limber dock]

Oh… a few months? Okay… I’ll wait then🥹

[light siren]

@echo aurora you havent responded to my modmail all day yesterday

[rough heath]

A new model will come out in a few months.

[light siren]

if it helps, the other claude models, if they appear for you, arent so bad either

[unreal hatch]

@echo aurora i don`t have opus 4.6 in Direct Chat Why?

[modern flame]

Arena removed it due to their financial problem

[unreal hatch]

dayum thx for info

[mystic siren]

@echo aurora how to open videa arena ?

its gone

what opus did?

[undone saffron]

Harsh words

[their financial problem]

[rough heath]

I heard that GPT-6 will be officially released on April 16th.

Maybe it will be much stronger than Opus 4.6 by then.

[white lily]

gpt is like the worst with all of the hallucinations

[dense sphinx]

I hope opus will come back

[compact flame]

Well it's kind of expensive for them to keep it up

[orchid olive]

i don't think so

The UI generated by gpt is piece of 💩 💩

[short sluice]

i think itll come back somewhere between late this month and mid-june with may being most likely

[dense sphinx]

I said it's April 15th

[dense sphinx]

Or maybe you right.

[sand fulcrum]

wait it'll comeback at april 15th?

[golden ocean]

Capybara

[orchid olive]

GPT's IQ versus Claude's is like comparing a genetic freak to a normal person

I surrender

[sand fulcrum]

fr

@dense sphinx wdym april 15th

[fast dew]

He's just guessing

[sand fulcrum]

i know, like i said

im just playing it along

while im waiting

[fast dew]

Btw i dont think opus is coming back at all

[tough badger]

anyone know who or what is scorch ai?

It was in aiarena battle and im wondering if its just a renamed of a new ai

[sand fulcrum]

wdym

its coming back

[fast dew]

I don't think so

[sand fulcrum]

show proof then

[fast dew]

Lol its obv

[sand fulcrum]

what???

[fast dew]

It's too expensive so it got removed

Why would they bring it back

[sand fulcrum]

because the platform is gonna go down

#1489394191435042996 go check it

[fast dew]

Not rlly

[sand fulcrum]

nah

[fast dew]

A lot of people still use the website even without opus

[sand fulcrum]

well thats your opinion but for me

its gonna come back

[fast dew]

Lol ok

Im js saying theres no reason for them to bring it back

U should try sonnet thinking tho

[fast dew]

Also what is this supposed to show

[tough badger]

any big difference between sonnet and opus? havent tried sonnet after they added opus. Didnt know they removed it now lol

[fast dew]

Ngl I tried sonnet thinking and it's pretty good

Sure opus is better but it can still get things done

[tough badger]

oh then i'll go try and do some benchmark on it, if its not like lvl 1 vs lvl 100 type of difference its swallowable

[cosmic grove]

how can i genarate ai video here

[limber dock]

I feel like the other Claude models are kinda bad… I mean, at least for me 😦

[plain wyvern]

I have a gut feeling that Arena might shut down due to their financial problems

Pop-up ads can be a solution, costing $1 to $10 per 1,000 impressions for advertisers, while publishers earn 4 to 10 times more revenue than standard banner ads.

[rough heath]

I hope Arena doesn't shut down

[junior gyro]

Think Opus will be back?

[lone glade]

any otherways to talk to opus?

[velvet furnace]

I used sonnet 4.6 and found it a bit disappointing.

[sand fulcrum]

it will

the announcement just said they'll bring it back in long term sustainable way as possible

[golden ocean]

W pfp

[sand fulcrum]

fr

im terence.

i can one hit you.

[tranquil cliff]

Any idea of claude opus models being removed for?

[tranquil cliff]

what about gemini 3.1 search

[echo dome]

in their offical website

[lone glade]

oh wow!

[echo dome]

(where anthropic.com)

[vivid coral]

There's always huggerface

[light siren]

trust me, they're not that bad might be the best we have for now or use the sonnet 4.6 model

[hollow mulch]

Stop saying bro you bot

[rigid copper]

<@&1349916362595635286> (and also don't fall on scam!)

[echo dome]

"you bot"
its hacked user not bot

it was mr beast fault

[upbeat flint]

opus 4.5 aint coming back either? 😔

[rustic gale]

Even opus 4 isn't. Entire family is out

[upbeat flint]

out by the root itsover

[normal abyss]

at least gemini 3.1 pro is still standing strong rn

[dense sphinx]

Guys there is possibility that opus models will come back on April 15

Maybe they winding down?

[upbeat flint]

ye gemini's good, sonnet 4.6 is pretty nice too

[dense sphinx]

I light be wrong

Might*

[normal abyss]

idk if its just me but sonnet 4.6 just gives very innacurate information, for even easy things

[dense sphinx]

Me too

Too inaccurate.

[upbeat flint]

I mostly need it for translation stuff so its decent'ish for that

[normal abyss]

like it doesnt even know what google antigravity is

[sand fulcrum]

how can you say

@dense sphinx

?

[upbeat flint]

hopefully gemini 3.2 soon™ since that family's cheap enough to be on arena and 3.1 isnt very far from opus already

[upbeat flint]

lmao

[rustic gale]

Tbf, cutoff dates are a real thing. Was antigravity even a thing in late '24, where they all live?

[normal abyss]

im pretty sure gemini 3.1 pro and sonnet and pretty similar in cost

i might be wrong

[upbeat flint]

gemini might be cheaper

[normal abyss]

its the fact its a search model too, it doesnt use the function when it should

[upbeat flint]

ah nvm, almost same price with gemini a bit more expensive actually

[normal abyss]

grok 4 search models though are outstanding, 10/10 rn

they look through the web properly

[rustic gale]

Sorry, didn't notice. Well, things happen. I had a laugh when a lot of models kept insisting a thing happened in canon for some character just because there was tons of speculation which led to tons of clickbait articles at some point but it went nowhere in the end. Thus LLMs pick up the clickbaits and think they're the real deal because there were so many of them.

So, you know, unless it's hard science, any LLM search is either a link aggregator for you (but so is google) or nothing of value

[golden ocean]

I love Large Language Models so much

[humble jolt]

any predictions from opus 4.6?

[normal abyss]

judging by your profile picture, your favourite is ||llama||

[limber dock]

ohh, it’s just that when I use Sonnet, it doesn’t feel as good as Opus to me…maybe I’m just not used to it yet haha XD (btw I use it for writing stuff)

[old plume]

Is any other way we can use opus 4.6 thinking model for free ?

[strong ferry]

Nah, you ain't imagining it. Sonnet feels atrociously nerfed compared to Opus. So that's why Arena decided to punish us by removing it.

[strong ferry]

There isn't, sadly. Arena was the only site that hosted it freely and now it's gone.

All other sites demand you pay them to use it.

[normal abyss]

google antigravity is a good makeshift till hopefully arena brings it back

(keep in mind, do not shoot through the rate limits here, they reset weekly)

[outer flicker]

well let wait arena can bring back opus or not

[hollow ivy]

if we are lucky, maybe in 2027