general

[rough sigil]

opus is gone?

[rigid pasture]

Yeah

[native fox]

not for all

[whole sundial]

@echo aurora are the other gpt 5.4 variants (mini and nano) going away too? or just gpt 5.4 itself? and will the other flagship gpt-5.x models stay?

[native fox]

for some people

[ripe iron]

Lowkirkenuenflowstately need Opus back

[candid jungle]

still works for me

[rigid pasture]

Me too

[short sluice]

yeah good idea actuall

y

[ripe iron]

Lowkirkenuenflowstately need Opus back @echo aurora

[short sluice]

like atp ads will probably save you

[ripe iron]

Lowkirkenuenflowstately need Opus back @echo aurora

Lowkirkenuenflowstately need Opus back @echo aurora

[whole sundial]

don't spam it

[echo aurora]

Transfering chat context, or some kind of branching feature would be helpful to have. Can't say what features we have upcoming but will be sure to put out an announcement if we were to build something like that

[native fox]

@echo aurora

[short sluice]

yeah adding ads will earn more revenue for you

also this implies they may come back soon

[icy ice]

nope didnt work, opened a new chat with opus, simple request, hit stop. the old one is still stuck even if i open it in a new window

[undone saffron]

That doesn't help much, considering that ublock bypasses that
Unless they copy the discord system

[short sluice]

yeah true

[rigid pasture]

Seriously? It worked for me now. I use this to unlock infinite generation.

[upbeat flint]

forced ad viewing lmao

[echo aurora]

I'm still waiting on confirmation. Will keep the announcement updated when I know more

[fossil root]

At the very least, I cannot say that the performance of models other than GPT-5.4 and Claude Opus 4.6 is good, and given that most open-source models and mini models can also be used on other sites, I believe that if Opus or GPT-5.4 were discontinued, there would be no real incentive to bother using LMArena. However, it is also true that these models are costly, and I am curious about what kind of reasoning led to this decision.

[native fox]

@echo aurora

PINEAPPLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[upbeat flint]

The reasoning that india and china have used enough tokens to bankrupt czechoslovakia

[whole sundial]

as much as i hate it, considering that arena already stores and shares your chats, personalized chatgpt-like ads may be viable for arena, like something added after the message
i don't like this idea, but it sadly may be the only way to make giving away free ai sustainable, either that or banner ads

[icy ice]

theres always only 1 reason for most things in this world - money

or women.... but I highly doubt thats the case here

[native fox]

woman is valuable because their meat right?

[fast dew]

Opus ain't coming back

🪦

[icy ice]

look, i watch ads on youtube and 90% of the content is trash. i have absolutely zero problems with ads on arena for access to premium models

[undone saffron]

Do you know if they've raised the token limit per session?
This:

[undone saffron]

?

[icy ice]

is that the reason my session is stuck?

[rough sigil]

free opus is like the only reason I use lmarena at all

[native fox]

i think we all have the same reason

[gloomy onyx]

the already stored data is sanitized to fit research-grade standards to be published in datasets, etc. I guess Ads aren't looking for that kind of sanitized data to work with.

[echo aurora]

Session token limit hasn't been adjusted

[icy ice]

is that why my session is stuck on 'generating'. there's no way to stop that or transfer my existing session to a new chat. i'd just need the last few messages not the whole history

[undone saffron]

Well, this happened to me yesterday
Only 1 message

[echo aurora]

If you suspect something isn't working correctly, share with me the Eval ID and I'll share with the team.

[whole sundial]

true but at least data related to the user's current chat could be used, or you could have standard banner ads
(and arena hasn't had a dataset release involving user chats in a while)

[echo aurora]

I don't think this is related. You're getting the infinite generation bug.

[undone saffron]

Well, I deleted that session 😅

[gloomy onyx]

by standard banner ads you mean non-personalized advertisements?

[rigid pasture]

It happened to me too. It kept generating infinitely and then hit the token limit error. Also, if you refresh the page after a limit error, the last message gets stuck in an infinite loading loop

[whole sundial]

yeah just banner ads you would see on any other website

[icy ice]

i've seen it mentioned here before. is there any fix? or do I have start a new chat and copy each promot/ansswer manually?

[echo aurora]

If you come across another instances, let me know.

[gloomy onyx]

could work, I am not exactly an expert though

so I would not know how feasible it is

[echo aurora]

If you get this bug the recommended steps are in this article: https://help.arena.ai/articles/8691588590-troubleshooting-infinite-generation

[native fox]

add ads sir it could be win win for us

@echo aurora

so painfull opus is removed

you know everyone use lmarena because opus is the reason

[echo aurora]

Yes, thank you for sharing this recommendation.

[fast dew]

Just cope and use sonnet bro

[left drum]

@echo aurora
Add these
Ads
Claude Opus 4.6 + Thinking
Claude Code (Since they leaked it)
And OpenClaw
Plus Specific AI Video Generation Kling 3.0
Perhaps Improve the Website Layout
Change Archive to Delete since you're actually deleting it
Make it easier to contact you guys

[native fox]

sonet is sucks

[fast dew]

Whats wrong with it

[tough void]

HELLO

[native fox]

try it and compare to opus

its very different

[icy ice]

you realize arean is for research right? its not an alternative to other llms/coding plans

[fast dew]

Yh but its still a good model

[undone saffron]

A lot of people have told that idea yesterday-today

[fast dew]

Also I tried it its fine

[undone saffron]

Even a poll: #general message

[echo aurora]

Yeah

[icy ice]

I tried - deleting cookies, relogin, refesh chat. still stuck. I wish there was an easy way to transfer to a new chat

[sullen creek]

how much money do u think lmarena have saved till now removing opus?

[echo aurora]

If the troubleshooting steps didn't help, then starting a new chat may be your best next option.

[undone saffron]

You can draw that conclusion by looking at [this](#announcements message)

[whole sundial]

i don't think arena modifying a leaked version of copyrighted software and redistributing it would be a good thing for them to be doing, they should make their own coding cli that has an arena mode instead

[sullen creek]

150M seems like a lot but for the ai models it isnt alot, due to the scale of users using their service

[icy ice]

arena is not a coding provider or general purpose llm provider. what is the point of asking for these things?

[sullen creek]

openai itself costs like 20-40M in opertaion cost everyday

[distant moth]

don't cry because they're gone, be glad that they were there

[whole sundial]

they have model access they could redistribute with their own software, and it would help with their mission as evaluating models in real life coding scenarios (outside of web dev) is crucial

[left drum]

@echo aurora Being Honest
How do you even Operate Paid Models?

[whole sundial]

i'm sure model devs when they preview models in cursor, windsurf, opencode, etc. are gettings lots of useful feedback, why not do the same with arena?

[icy ice]

a tiny fraction of users use arena for coding. its much more used for comparing general chats. certainly not agentic coding

[distant moth]

i think almost every model api is paid

[native fox]

adalah pokoknya

[left drum]

There are leaked ones and etc you can run them in Hugging Face if you want

[icy ice]

AI companies are the new con/bubble. they goal is to get more funding/subsidies while operating at a loss, till you get bough

[whole sundial]

they pay for the model api and they get money from devs for evaluation services that pays for it, but most is still coming out of vc funds as they still aren't making enough money to cover their expenses, that's why opus is gone

[sullen creek]

openrouter is the closest to lmarena

but they are paid

[native fox]

ah

[icy ice]

openrouter is just a listing exchange they dont provide any models.

[sullen creek]

they are a api wrapper just like lmarena

[whole sundial]

yeah i forgot, model devs do get useful feedback from openrouter preview models too as people do use these in real life coding and agentic scenarios

openrouter is an api you can plug into anything so it makes sense

[rough sigil]

nobody is going to use lm arena without opus

[icy ice]

and using any premium model via api is not feasilbe, it costs 1000s. thats why they all have subscriptions

[undone saffron]

This should be pinned

[left drum]

@echo aurora
Can you tell us Which Features you will add first?

[undone saffron]

I'm using gpt 5.4
Opus isn't the best of them all, but it is one of the best

[sullen creek]

what do u think beats opus?

[whole sundial]

i don't think most arena users come for opus, they came for nano banana and video arena (which is now on the website), quite a few just come here to test their prompts on models

[native fox]

dw he is on drugs

[whole sundial]

(i don't use opus myself, i mainly use gemini 3.1 pro due to better world knowledge)

[icy ice]

besides creative writing and code, what did opus do better than gemini??

[sullen creek]

opus is the best overall

[native fox]

true

[sullen creek]

i dont what steroids anthrophic gave opus for it to be this goo

[native fox]

for real

maybe they feed opus with drugs everyday

[neon crater]

I think Arena.ai's business model should be playing an ad while you wait for the AI's response.

[sullen creek]

ads would defo be helpfull in making money because of the scale of the users

[native fox]

agree

[sullen creek]

but i think that would be a last resort option

[native fox]

welp

[icy ice]

guys the simple fact is EVERY AI company operates at a loss. the big guys have billions in funding and revenue and a huge valuation so they can keep doing it. the little guys like arena, glm, deepseek etc really can't keep it up

[whole sundial]

when i first used arena (it was chatbot arena back then), i mainly came for 4o

[sullen creek]

arena is a different from the others because they actively give our data to the ai companies so they make them better

others are a bit more discrete about it

thats their primary income making tool

[icy ice]

all ai companies mine data, its standard

[native fox]

who said?

[whole sundial]

most do, anthropic is the most likely to make a profit imo
google and microsoft have other businesses that make up for their ai loss though

[icy ice]

it makes them some money, but they still lose money

[icy ice]

its the default in most plans. unless you turn it off which most wont

[sullen creek]

but arena should save a ton of money because they are retiring opus models

[icy ice]

i lost a ton of money since a lot of my savings were in MSFT. who knew they'd go down so hard.

[whole sundial]

yeah microsoft has been losing hard in ai, their models are struggling although mai image 2 isn't too bad, they still rely on openai for most models they use though

[undone saffron]

GPT 5.4 isn't necessarily better or worse than opus
It depends on the specific use case
Even GPT 5.3 codex is on par with opus 4–6
When I hit the usage limit for opus 4-6-thinking, I would use GPT 5.4 or 5.3 codex in the meantime to avoid waiting, and there’s almost no difference except in how they reason

[sullen creek]

Im talking more about overall rather than a specific use case, sure there might some cases where gpt beats opus but its in really specific cases, opus overall is the best

[undone saffron]

As I said, opus isn't the best of them all, but it is one of the best

[native fox]

but for creative writings or summaries a document opus is the best

[icy ice]

opus is much better at practical things. i implemented the same project using both codex and opus, the difference is clear

[native fox]

almost 90% human close

[native fox]

true

welp no doubt opus still the best

[icy ice]

it almost anticipated what you wanted, made much better guesses instead of asking you, and in general thinks better

[sullen creek]

the only thing gpt is better at opus is the price

[native fox]

im sure lmarena lost most of their users for now

because opus is removed

[icy ice]

gpt-codex is better at jujst getting stuff done but its not the same quality or polish.

[rigid pasture]

less spending as a result

[native fox]

very sad day lmao

[undone saffron]

My answer focuses more on the field of programming
In general, some people say that opus is best for reading documents, while others say it’s better for general purpose chat and continuous automation due to its low token cost and fast writing speed, maths, analytics, image visualization, etc
Both AIs have their strengths and weaknesses
[One might be good at one thing but not so good at another](#general message)

[bleak lake]

well they did drop a good embedded open source model

even though it's using genma shi

[patent bane]

what so sad?

[native fox]

opus removed

read announcement

[patent bane]

ik, what so sad?

it's normal

[native fox]

what?

normal????

dude

really?

[light garnet]

Sounds good.

[native fox]

u joking right?

[icy ice]

a lot of opus's magic comes from the tooling around it eg claude cowork, there is no real equivalent. and those tools work beccause its just a smarter model. 90-100% of the tools code was written by opus anyway.

[upbeat flint]

yes, its normal to not get the most expensive ai model for free

very very very very normal

[patent bane]

you guys have been using the service for free, do you want more?

[native fox]

🤬

[olive spruce]

i would say, for coding, sonnet isnt bad, just try to improve the prompt before hand using a separate ai model, start new sessions to make sure the context is fresh and it doesnt generate wierd code

[icy ice]

ads wont even begin to cover the cost. Arena was losing a lot of money for opus api calls. how is that hard to understand?

[upbeat flint]

just be glad 4.5 is still a thing, still insane to offer it.

I wonder how many ads would u have to watch for a single opus prompt kek

[patent bane]

bro is mad because they stopped giving him free icecream

[native fox]

all of them is removed

except sonnet

[native fox]

agree

[icy ice]

use the free version of the chinese llms - with a much better prompt its not that bad. with a 1 line prompt its not going to be close

[native fox]

kimi?

[icy ice]

kimi, minimax, glm are all good/bad at various tasks

[native fox]

i use kimi only for the deep research

its so good tbh

[olive spruce]

ong

glm goated

[icy ice]

opus > gpt-5.3/4 > glm/kimi/sonnet >>> (million >>) > grok

[native fox]

really?

[icy ice]

thats for most coding/research/writing. if your use case is simpler almost any llm will do

[native fox]

sonnet > than gpt

[empty stump]

and gemini is non existant

[icy ice]

oh i forgot gemini. its below gpt.

and antigravity still has free opus

[undone saffron]

#general message

[olive spruce]

lol

[native fox]

which gravity you mean?

the one from google?

[icy ice]

yes

antigravity is their ide

[olive spruce]

that opus feels off fr, i dont know whats up with it, maybe its the system prompt, but the one from claude is the one i feel much better

[native fox]

really?

[olive spruce]

no idea

but i used it

[icy ice]

of course. its lower context, prob gets passed a different system prompt

[olive spruce]

for a project, it shortened the code (working code), from like 2000 lines to 500, and lost 90% of the website functionality lol

then i stopped using it for any major stuff

[icy ice]

all the AI companies have various levels of models they host. they'll have quantized lower cost models for cheaper providers

[native fox]

lol

[olive spruce]

has to be fr

i mean id rather just buy claude for like 20 dollars for a month, and get done with projects, than rely on antigravity

🥲

[native fox]

i guess i need to pay for real claude opus

[icy ice]

$20 claude plan is useless. you can exhaust it in 2 prompts

[native fox]

but it has daily reset right?

never use it tho but must be right?

[icy ice]

no, you'll hit weekly limit in a single session

[native fox]

wow

insane bros

[fast dew]

Just cope and wait till opus comes back

[olive spruce]

i dont know what prompts you are giving, but i can last it easy week lol

[icy ice]

all these plans have daily and weekly limit. codex had 2x usage in mar now its gone

[icy ice]

what are you building that lasts a week? is it just chatting? code?

[olive spruce]

code + refactoring architecture

nothing tooo big i guess

[icy ice]

for any medium size project i find it hard to believe opus-4.6 can last you a week o 20 plan

[olive spruce]

you?

[icy ice]

i use it for personal projects. thats why I like arena, their opus limits were generous. I also use codex and gemini. gemini hits limits fast too

[olive spruce]

i mean, im not a single dev lol, i work in a team, so we all get individual tasks on the bigger projects, thats why i dont hit limits lol

[icy ice]

well then I guess your company pays for it?

[olive spruce]

gemini is really good for frontend mock ups

[olive spruce]

hehe

[icy ice]

i'm not employed and job market sucks

[olive spruce]

ong

i def agree

[icy ice]

so i'm just using for my projects right now whcih is why free opus was great

[olive spruce]

i mean personally this isnt the job role i was seeking, but seeing the market, i took it fr

🥀

[olive spruce]

i agree, try kimi as well, you can argue with its chat bot to give you a discount lol

i did that once or twice on deadlines

really not that bad

[icy ice]

a few years ago we evaluated llms by seeing if it could write tic tac toe game

[native fox]

is this antigravity has daily limits?

for claude opus 4.6 thinking?

[olive spruce]

oh yeah, very restrictive

[native fox]

just download now

[jagged fjord]

Obv

What do u think

[native fox]

has daily reset?

[olive spruce]

interesting

[icy ice]

now its writing claude code by itself and eliminating so many jobs

[jagged fjord]

Weekly

[native fox]

woa

[jagged fjord]

Woa what lol

It's so useless antigravity

[olive spruce]

lol i know right, but tbh, even when we use ai, we are fully expected to know what its doing, what i see on social media is people not even looking at the code

[sullen creek]

it was a good run while it lasted

[olive spruce]

ong

[native fox]

lol

[jagged fjord]

I use arena ai just for opus in direct chat, and now..

[native fox]

just download it now so i have no idea

[olive spruce]

aye what about the github student thing

[native fox]

so i ask you guys

[olive spruce]

i think they removed opus as well lol

[light garnet]

Same here.

[jagged fjord]

U cant anymore

Ig

[olive spruce]

jesus my student id is a waste

[jagged fjord]

Lol

[native fox]

welp yeah antigravity is useless

[icy ice]

student id gets you tons of stuff still like 2yrs of hosting

[native fox]

its stuck

lol

[olive spruce]

i mean, i cant lie, i did feel that at some point they would remove claude models lol, have you seen the slop people generate using the video models lmarena provides

jesus

[icy ice]

proving video model is a mistake

[olive spruce]

ong

[icy ice]

its 100x more expensice and we all know its pointless

[olive spruce]

all youtube shorts brainrot

[icy ice]

even openai killed sora

[olive spruce]

yeah, i always thought lmaerna can stick to coding and web scraping and stuff like that, not image and video generation

cause its wayy too expensive, and people gonna abuse it to make yt shorts

[olive spruce]

sora was so mid too lol

[icy ice]

nano banana, swift are so much better

[native fox]

agree

[native fox]

ye lol

tiktok is way too much brainrot

[olive spruce]

ong nano banana is wierd, first prompt great photo, anything after, complete bs

[sullen creek]

ima suspect traffic to lmarena is gonna drop alot

[native fox]

agree

[native fox]

fr

[olive spruce]

+instagram +youtube
its all bad

[native fox]

drop to 0

[icy ice]

i honestly think there needs to be a 'llm for serious people' and 'llm for the rest' category. if you want to use it for random fluff, the rest shouldn't have to subsidize it.

and if you are an influencer it should cost 10000x, no exceptions

[olive spruce]

i mean why does photo generation models even exist to begin with, we all know its going to be used to fund more of the adult industry

[sullen creek]

that would honestly be pretty unfair because different people have different meaning for serious stuff and non and i dont think that would be a good idea

[native fox]

yeah

[olive spruce]

theres literally no point

and thats what was happening here too

[icy ice]

serious is easy to define - its what matters. not something for fun

[olive spruce]

you guys shouldve seen those video generation channels back then lol

[native fox]

there also some people create of with ai lol

[olive spruce]

complete cess pool

[olive spruce]

i think we all agree, photo and video generation shouldnt be provided by a platform like lmarena

its loss loss situation

[icy ice]

the point of photo/image generation models is simple - its to allow people to create more ai slop to post on social media - thats where these companies make ad money

[sullen creek]

video ai generation in itself is not worth it

[icy ice]

remember that all the tech giants depend on ad revenue

[native fox]

not all people use it for bad purpose

[olive spruce]

what is the good purpose lmao

[native fox]

lmao

[olive spruce]

and even for that, you could prob get a free account in gemini and get it done

[native fox]

right tho

[olive spruce]

ah well, rip opus models

[icy ice]

yeah the paid ones are for the peope who have automated youtubne channels done by AI

for dozens of websites created by ai

[olive spruce]

i always report those lol

[sullen creek]

officaly you cant use opus without paying, after this

[olive spruce]

hmmmmmm true, doing a good search shows sooo many fake sites offering opus jesus

[icy ice]

in the time you typed this, 1000s were created

[radiant pagoda]

im actually crying rn

why did they remove opus

[olive spruce]

oh nah, wayyy more

[radiant pagoda]

im actually like so sad

[native fox]

dont cry

my shoulder is always open

[olive spruce]

thanks to all ai brainrot reels that people create using their video gen models

im sure it got too expensive to manage opus as well

[radiant pagoda]

OMG

NO WAY

[sullen creek]

https://tenor.com/view/no-miss-gif-3524058338517689971

[radiant pagoda]

i actually hate this

opus was the only model i used

and it was literally the best thing everrr

[icy ice]

im not going to blame arena. they cannot survive. blame the ai companies

[radiant pagoda]

should i just buy the actual thing from claude ?

[rigid pasture]

Yeah

[sullen creek]

we should thank arena, that they were able to give us opus for so long

[icy ice]

what did you use it for

[native fox]

true we both use it

[radiant pagoda]

mainly writing & coding

[icy ice]

arena provided opus, gpt, gemini for free for YEARS

[radiant pagoda]

ummmmm

[icy ice]

with very generous usage limits, no ads, and a fantastic website

[radiant pagoda]

if u split the money w me

[olive spruce]

how do you not know if thats a dude sitting behind lmao

[fast dew]

I remember all those AI clickbait titles

[little ginkgo]

When they add txt file uploads 🙁

[fast dew]

On youtube

[olive spruce]

ong, just buy the pro, more than enough

[native fox]

Are we meant to be?

[native fox]

lol

[sullen creek]

game is game

[whole sundial]

yeah yupp's death is either a warning for arena or a sign that they couldn't run a business (or both), time will tell what it truly means

[olive spruce]

bro got down to business real fast lmao

[radiant pagoda]

i heard the limit is superrr short

[olive spruce]

BROTHER WHAT

WHAT IS DIS

[native fox]

lol

[olive spruce]

OH NAH FR

[native fox]

yo chill

😹

[olive spruce]

what the fAHHHHHHHHHHHH

[olive spruce]

nah its good, if you manage your context well

[marble lion]

real in fact.

[icy ice]

@radiant pagoda github copilot is now the cheapest option to get opus

[sullen creek]

antigravity is cheaper

[fast dew]

U remember strawberry man on X

[radiant pagoda]

does it work the same way as lmarena orr

[native fox]

its stuck at generating

[icy ice]

no. antigravity is still token based, ghcp is 1 request with as many tokens as it needs

[olive spruce]

BRO YES, HOLY NICHE

[fast dew]

How did so many people fall for that jit bro

💀

[sullen creek]

no site works like lmarena

[olive spruce]

I have 0 clue, i always felt it was sus

[icy ice]

eg you could send your entire codebase in 1 request and ask it to work on it

[radiant pagoda]

😭

im acc so sad]

oh well

[sullen creek]

just buy claudep ro

[radiant pagoda]

im broke

[marble lion]

different answer style..

[sullen creek]

use antigravity

[icy ice]

copilot is a coding agent, so its actually better for coding tasks. but of course not free and not for chats/battle mode etc

[sullen creek]

its free till some extent

[fast dew]

Literally js use sonnet bro its basically the same as opus

[native fox]

u dont

[olive spruce]

lol

[native fox]

your whole body is expensive

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[native fox]

👍

[radiant pagoda]

UMMMMM???

[sullen creek]

pls sybau unc

[fast dew]

Lowkey I'm getting second hand embarassment

[native fox]

lmao

[fast dew]

Had to look away from that

[native fox]

i mean the part of our body

[olive spruce]

holy rizz

[rigid pasture]

I'm speechless.

[sullen creek]

no that is not rizz man

[undone saffron]

"actually better for coding tasks"
Sure

[sullen creek]

alr you still got time to delete ts

[olive spruce]

i have no clue what it is jesus

im sure thats a dude with a girl pfp, and bro is officially gay

[icy ice]

can we get back on topic

[native fox]

lol

who knows?

[olive spruce]

trust me broski, after you have worked in cybersecruity, its very easy to identify scams

https://tenor.com/view/all-in-his-mind-moon-knight-squizo-oscar-isaac-youtube-thumbnail-gif-11076131462134700218

[sullen creek]

unc u cannot be that desperate to shoot your shot in a arena discord server

[undone saffron]

India be like

[icy ice]

for ppl who are seriously lookimg for an alternative for coding - get kilo code or opencode, they both have paid models free for limited times

[sullen creek]

u need to get a subscritption for kilocode right

[fast dew]

It's cuz he can't larp with opus anymore

[native fox]

i know

[olive spruce]

holy india

[fossil socket]

Pretty sure I'm the last user standing to still have Opus

[olive spruce]

jesus

[sullen creek]

https://tenor.com/view/larp-sorry-kid-larp-or-be-larped-rise-of-nations-nation-rising-simulator-gif-18202816756838931088

[native fox]

yo whatt lol

[olive spruce]

worst scammers ever

[fossil socket]

Wrong reply

Anyways

[native fox]

hopefully they can bring back opus back atleast 4.5

[olive spruce]

lol

[fossil socket]

Yeah last man standing

[rigid pasture]

...

enjoy

[native fox]

i still have

[fossil socket]

#announcements

[sullen creek]

the gulag

[native fox]

gone

someone stole it

[fossil socket]

For most

But not for some

[fast dew]

Also it ain't coming back until another 2 months

[sullen creek]

I bet like after opus got removed, every single person who uses lmarena for opus is going to the server and spam us what happend to opus

[rigid pasture]

Relax

[patent bane]

stop being childish, everyone has been using it for free

[fossil socket]

For me I'll just wait it out

[sullen creek]

we all need opus

[patent bane]

@echo aurora

[native fox]

it ain't coming back like your ex

[fossil socket]

A bit annoying but I've accepted it

[olive spruce]

its gone gang

[fossil socket]

Just gonna wait

[patent bane]

@echo aurora

[fossil socket]

Hey detective, can we back it off a notch

[past socket]

im.peeved abt gemini 3 pro myself,, but more peeved about token limit lol

[patent bane]

@echo aurora

[sullen creek]

gemini really isnt that good tbh,

[fossil socket]

For creative writing, yeah nah

[past socket]

you're not cool you're just edgy and annoying -<-

[patent bane]

avg 12yo behavior, not surprised

[past socket]

it has the most knowledge of fandom stuff tho by far

[patent bane]

blah blah blah

cry ab it

[past socket]

kay

[pure plume]

Not Access claude-opus-4-6 please include thia Model

[sullen creek]

🤣

[patent bane]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-laughing-rage-bait-gif-8366393814504091925

[native fox]

lmao

[sullen creek]

everyone is getting ratioed in this server now

[native fox]

its so funny\

[past socket]

its only one that knows kanade yoisakis backstory!

but again I can handle usinf 3.1 pro preview even if its much more stiff and sterilized

but the token thing suckssssss

[native fox]

yeah many ppl loss his mind because of opus removed

[fast dew]

Do not redeem the card

[past socket]

I wish there was like a cheap paid tier thst let u get around it

[olive spruce]

lol go buy it unc

[past socket]

yea

bc im allowed to join a server and complain

much like u r doing

[icy ice]

no thats what I meant they often have free models. not opus. but they had kimi, glm, gpt etc for free

[dawn arch]

But... April 1st was 2 days ago

[fast dew]

Jit js cope and wait till opus comes back

[icy ice]

can we ban these spammers here

[native fox]

who use those models?

[past socket]

I thought u were like 12 but ur pfp

omg ur a manchild

[native fox]

like who use it?

[whole sundial]

<@&1349916362595635286> please check, this person is being very disrespectful to server members

[olive spruce]

lol

[olive spruce]

go check dms

[fast dew]

They're all dead dawg

🙏

[olive spruce]

holy moly big guns

[past socket]

I dont know for that u can use open router lol

[olive spruce]

@obsidian sinew dont be disrespectful cuh

[sullen creek]

ay guys what if its april fools, they just removed opus

[fast dew]

It's 3rd of april

[patent bane]

just ignore, just a bot

[sullen creek]

timezones

[fast dew]

No timezone is in 1st of april rn

😭

[past socket]

honestly I didn't mind the occasional forced battle in my direct chats

[past socket]

timezones span 24h..,.

or something idk

ya

[sullen creek]

does anyone have access to opus right now?

[fast dew]

Very smart

[native fox]

me

[whole sundial]

i'm sure someone will come around (also if @echo aurora sees this please consider opening up mod applications for community members, this server should have some in case something goes up with the mod service)

[rigid pasture]

Me

[olive spruce]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dog-meme-comment-sLAc4ZoyMLiUWNYC4K

[icy ice]

lots of people. do you think everyone only uses opus and gpt? not everyone can afford $200 or even $20 plans you know

[dawn arch]

Yep, with a claude pro subscription

[native fox]

lol

[past socket]

I just didn't think for a while I thought "maybe it caps at 12h because if u think abt it logically like

[olive spruce]

who asked?

[past socket]

there's an argument to be made

[native fox]

holy speech

[past socket]

but then I remembered Japan is like 15h ahead

[olive spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/folk-druski-sona-instagram-instagram-meme-gif-18271404859547050805

[fast dew]

Like rn

[icy ice]

mods ????

[fast dew]

Oh

[olive spruce]

<@&1349916362595635286> can we get this dustbin outta here

[fossil socket]

Wrong ping mate

[fast dew]

😭

[rigid pasture]

Bro...

[past socket]

im sure all 300 Jewish black people are shaking in their boots that mr pencil stache is hate speeching them

[olive spruce]

lol it auto corrected to some guy named mod

[past socket]

I mean yes

but no

[fossil socket]

Devious username btw

[sullen creek]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[fast dew]

Wait wt does palestine got to do with opus bro

[olive spruce]

nah fr

[fast dew]

😭

[icy ice]

who let this scum in here? is he finding random discords now

[past socket]

no i agreed with the free Palestine part LOL

[olive spruce]

idk he wants us to go and fight there i guess to get free opus

[past socket]

if someone asks for alternative websites in this discord do they get smited

[icy ice]

dude do you know where you are??? its a freaking discord for people who use AI tools. go troll somewhere else

[whole sundial]

i don't see anything wrong with that

[past socket]

imagine if I got banned before the other guy for asking for a different website thst wld be really really funny

[past socket]

9h cool

[native fox]

high iq play

[olive spruce]

lol

[undone saffron]

Are you really stooping to that level?

[past socket]

does anyone know an alternate website that has gemini stuff or other good models w/o token limit even if it does have weird experiments and ui schtuff

[fast dew]

R the devs even in this server

[olive spruce]

i doubt it

[whole sundial]

this server has always been for general ai discussion and to talk about arena, nothing wrong with talking about other sites

[past socket]

ohhh okay cool I was just wondering bc some rp ai sites will like ban mentioning other ones

tyvm !!

[undone saffron]

And is against rules btw

[olive spruce]

lol

why is bro ragebaiting

[past socket]

is there even a rules channel

#rules

yay

[native fox]

he need opus so bad

[rigid pasture]

Opus effect..

[undone saffron]

#rules message

[olive spruce]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ragebait-core-absolute-vN7rfEQjNgGWVNrl4n

[undone saffron]

Cinema*

[past socket]

yup its allowed

yippee !@

oops

[fast dew]

He on withdrawal bro

From no opus

[past socket]

ty

[olive spruce]

so 2 people get banned the guy who named himself mod and this dude

lol

[whole sundial]

i don't think any of the actual devs are here, only arena employees i can identify are the original founder, the current ceo, the community manager (pineapple), and someone on the leaderboard team

[olive spruce]

@untold jewel change the name gang

[past socket]

I wasn't promoting or advertising huhhhh

[olive spruce]

not you cuh, the other dude

whos spamming slurs

[past socket]

oh oops

yes

that's the more logical

thing

https://tenor.com/view/mizukana-tuesday-mizukana-kanamizu-mizuki-akiyama-kanade-yoisaki-gif-13052552877488362304

[undone saffron]

pineapple was talking with someone

[fast dew]

How do u know

Let him chill dawg

[whole sundial]

i'm pretty sure you can talk about other sites, just don't directly promote or advertise them, hopefully @echo aurora shows up soon (he normally does around this time)

[past socket]

man

trye

[fast dew]

Cause there r barely any mods

Yh

[native fox]

r u poor man? just go subscribe claude

[past socket]

dhdr who has the money

what

[fast dew]

I got money I js wanna watch everyone cope with not having opus

[native fox]

thats mean u poor

[past socket]

pay for the college i will prolly be going to's 29k/yr tuition before calling anyone poor god damn

[fast dew]

Why u crying about losing opus then

Js subscribe to claude

[native fox]

he is poor gang

[past socket]

man

guys if u r rich can u buy us those subs

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cats-memes-i-love-gif-14945610996281344310

[fast dew]

It's only 20 bucks bro

😭

[native fox]

i can if im your dad tbh

[past socket]

the fact you said dad ans not daddy makes it even creepier bc it implies u want to actually be my parent :shock:

[outer hinge]

bring claude back mannn

[sullen creek]

first time, i am seeing someone be more creeped out from dad instead of daddy

[outer hinge]

he used to understand me much better than this chat gpt

[fast dew]

LOL

[rigid pasture]

Lol

[outer hinge]

i hate chatgpt

[past socket]

again what's creepier someone making a creepy pass at you

or someone sayinf "i want to be your dad" in a presumably flirty way

THE SECOND ONE

the first is expected

[icy ice]

free palestine is easier task than free opus

[fast dew]

Why is it from whatsapp in the first place and not ur photo gallery

So did u download it from whatsapp

??

[past socket]

thats not ur car

ok

[sullen creek]

i think he meant to say daddy

[past socket]

ah

[fast dew]

Holy cap

[past socket]

dude at thus point I just make a findom acct to pay for college and pay for ai and pay for everything

we live in the world of 12.99 spotify premium

[sullen creek]

spotify is really bad

[fast dew]

No way u actually pay 12.99 for spotify

💀

[past socket]

ya but it has my 88h playlist

[past socket]

no i dont

I have free

[fast dew]

Ok cuz for a second there

[native fox]

thats your car and u begging and cry for opus?

ye make sense tbh

[past socket]

no!!

[native fox]

ye make sense

got it chad

[past socket]

its my everything playlist
half the songs there i wld not say im like proud of but they were sonfs I liked when i was 14yo

[sullen creek]

buddy you cannot just harras the server for a good 20 minutes and then act surprised when the same happens to you

[fast dew]

Too late dawg the damage is already done

[native fox]

yeyeyye make sense

[past socket]

why is ur fooling around include saying the hard r 💀

no i rlly dont but ok

[native fox]

r u hard for opus?

[past socket]

afghanistan

was opus even that good

[sullen creek]

what does afghanistan have to do with this

[fast dew]

He was getting withdrawal from no claude opus

🪦

[sullen creek]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[native fox]

tbh opus was so good

[fast dew]

Opus is as good as sonnet bro js use it

[sullen creek]

no its not

which world do u live in

[past socket]

it wouldve probably been better off if the Soviets won tbh I mena f k its such a mess now

[fast dew]

What r u doing with opus then

[native fox]

no of its not lmao

[sullen creek]

coding/project blueprint and stuff

[fast dew]

Oh then its probs better

I don't use it for that stuff

[sullen creek]

@past socket you cant ragebait me with that

[past socket]

civil war until 1996 then yaliban than 2001 then 20 year long war while Islamic Republic funds sectarianism and lines its own pockets as one of the most corrupt govta

[olive spruce]

imagine people who were using opus as their virtual relationship on lmaerna

😂

[past socket]

then it all falls to the taliban

lol

[native fox]

lol

bro changed so quick

[olive spruce]

bruh

[fast dew]

What is this jit saying

💀

[native fox]

lol

[olive spruce]

holy jesus

[sullen creek]

nah i dont know what u mean

[past socket]

afghanistan wldve probably been better off with a shty authoritarian govt that did women's rights and increased literacy

[native fox]

he is using mars language

[fast dew]

But whats that gotta do with AI

[rigid pasture]

What is even happening in this chat...

[sullen creek]

bro might be worse than a certain austrian painter

[olive spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-kill-that-boy-speed-kill-that-boy-ishowspeed-kys-gif-12701459054714320722

[past socket]

AI
Afghanistan Intelligence

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-ghost-death-gif-27106641

[past socket]

he wld not love u

[toxic egret]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[native fox]

1 ppl lost his mind because opus removed

[past socket]

tyvm

[fast dew]

What r u doing dawg

[past socket]

not dubai!

[rigid pasture]

I know... it's bizarre.

[past socket]

america

[sullen creek]

buddy i think its time to put the fries in the bag

[past socket]

dudr is it just me or do some ai lovers talk like they generate every text they write with ai

I do mind actually

haha

no im ok

[fast dew]

Why r u still talking to him

[native fox]

@olive spruce

[past socket]

HUH

IM EIGHTEEN

[native fox]

expired

[past socket]

Why wld u be WHAA

If ubthought i was

whaaaa

[olive spruce]

identity theft is no joke broski

[olive spruce]

use a real pic

lol

[past socket]

chud

[rigid pasture]

No way

[olive spruce]

sure

[native fox]

he is modern jesus

[past socket]

dude he looks like Hasan piker if Hasan was an even more creepy weirdo

[olive spruce]

https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/1266706141125910/ sure

[past socket]

instead of just a fouchebag

[past socket]

ohhh

[sullen creek]

holy delusional

[past socket]

this still stands tho

[fast dew]

This guy is js trolling bro

[olive spruce]

jesus kids

[fast dew]

Ignore him

[olive spruce]

next time prob use ai to change the face a lil

seems like you like using ai a lot

[fast dew]

Holy trash trolling

[olive spruce]

anyways

[spare rune]

y’all falling for rage bait in discord..

[fast dew]

Who's raging

??

[past socket]

omori !

[spare rune]

Omori

[fast dew]

Trash game btw

[past socket]

trash creator but fine game

but I dont do well with horror so I never finished it

just the normal ending

[fast dew]

Nah I js lowkey got bored after like 2 hours of playing it

[rigid pasture]

Trash creator?

[past socket]

ohhh

shtacon

[fast dew]

I don't rlly like RPGs that much

[past socket]

who made merch regarding her

[livid oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/932765653557973043/1310170269209329684/what.gif

[past socket]

special interest

not horrible but pretty blegh

[fast dew]

Is he like a predator or smth

[past socket]

no no

nothing that srs

[sullen creek]

yandere simulator

[past socket]

just a shtacon
she made merch abt it

[fast dew]

Holy ball knowledge

[past socket]

not like crazy bad

[spare rune]

Sold a t shirt with the word “shota” on it

[past socket]

but like

[past socket]

she's also definitely one

like

she posted abt how she loved shotas

she did all that stuff she definitely definitely did it with intent lol

im not saying crucify her

[spare rune]

Or smth like that

[past socket]

im not one of those ppl who thinks liking that stuff = satan but it definitely equals creep

[sullen creek]

my man

[olive spruce]

lets go that guy finally left @native fox LOL

[native fox]

finally

lol

he is banned?

[spare rune]

no

[olive spruce]

i dont think so

[spare rune]

::.

[rigid pasture]

I dont know

[past socket]

?ban @obsidian sinew

[fast dew]

What's a shota

[olive spruce]

bro thought if he cut half the face, i wouldnt be able to track down the real image

lol

[past socket]

loli but for boys

[spare rune]

male boys sexualized

[fast dew]

Oh

Damn

[past socket]

anyways its a good game

[rigid pasture]

Yeah

[native fox]

welp

[fast dew]

No but its js boring ash

Thats the problem

[native fox]

i guess its over

just need opus to come back

[spare rune]

too expensive

[past socket]

combat can be slow yeah

[spare rune]

I doubt it

[native fox]

@echo aurora we really hoping opus to back

[fast dew]

Yh thats another problem the combat

[native fox]

4.5 atleast

[past socket]

dude I just eant token limit gonen

[native fox]

just

[dusty wagon]

Yeah so why is opus gone again and so are other models?

[native fox]

pls

[fast dew]

I don't really like it

[spare rune]

they gonna remove Claude next

[spare rune]

Too expensive

[past socket]

to force ppl to do battles

and make ppl stop just using direct chat

[fast dew]

No it's cause it's too expensive

[undone saffron]

#announcements message

[past socket]

yeah but its too expensive because ppl just do direct

and so rhey dont get leaderboard data and just bleed money

that's why they're still in battle

but not in side to side or direct

[olive spruce]

they are?

in battle?

[past socket]

that's what people say

[fast dew]

Yh the battle system isn't actually the reason why it got removed is what im saying

[spare rune]

Yes

[native fox]

yeah

[past socket]

oh ya

[rigid pasture]

Yes

[native fox]

they are in battle bro

[olive spruce]

need to test it out lol

[past socket]

but you have to refresh stuff and you can't even tell until it's over

[native fox]

just need a lot of patient

[past socket]

i wish they had branching convo stuff

like how in most ai stuff you can branch and start a new conv9

[olive spruce]

jesus

[fast dew]

It ain't coming back

[past socket]

I think that wld help

[fast dew]

Cope

[fast dew]

Wdym branching

[livid oyster]

What do you lots even use Ai for aside from coding because as far as i know this is the most notable reason. Just a genuine question.

[fast dew]

like memory?

[rigid pasture]

Or if you get lucky, you can still access your account

[spare rune]

maybe they mean starting a new chat or smth

[olive spruce]

virtual boyfriends + slop generation machine i guess

[past socket]

starting a new chat with message history of another chat up to a certain point

[native fox]

i build a summaries book app

[spare rune]

@ai can you dumb this down

i dont understand

[native fox]

also a social media for christian

[fast dew]

But why would u wanna start a new chat

[past socket]

roleplay bc im bored asf and nobody rps for my fav fandom

[past socket]

like

[spare rune]

maybe the context limit hit its limit

[past socket]

also like

[spare rune]

128k for some chats, 1 million for gemini

[livid oyster]

What even is your fandom lmao?

[tranquil lance]

I thought they were making an April fools joke with that announcement of taking down models. This just royally messes us up. Nothing else.

[past socket]

pjsk!

[spare rune]

omg

my friends are dead obseeded with that game

[past socket]

https://tenor.com/view/mizukana-tuesday-mizukana-kanamizu-mizuki-akiyama-kanade-yoisaki-gif-13052552877488362304

[spare rune]

obsessed

[fast dew]

I js searched it up and now i regret it

[past socket]

https://tenor.com/view/kanaena-wednesday-enakana-wednesday-kanaena-enakana-prsk-gif-11748975736188125265

[past socket]

why

[fast dew]

Is it like a

How do you say it

[livid oyster]

Ah... Well, I've known many people associated with that fandom and I have to say, most of them have left me with a negative impression, but of course I'm not insinuating anything here.

[spare rune]

its a rhytm game

orwait

what

fnf

[olive spruce]

lmaooooooooooooooo @native fox

[past socket]

ah ! well I hope i do not continue that trend

[fast dew]

Yoo

Lowkey I used to grind on that game all day

I'm rusty now

[native fox]

YO WHAT?

[spare rune]

oh wait

[olive spruce]

qwen 3 is bugging

[past socket]

ai lies

[spare rune]

wasnt the official game fnf or am i saying the roblox one

no

[past socket]

Friday night funkin

[spare rune]

its fnf

[olive spruce]

i know, i was trying to find it for fun

[fast dew]

U mean funky friday

[native fox]

so alibaba is lying

[fast dew]

Thats the rblx one

[native fox]

LMAO

[spare rune]

you cant grind of fnf tho right..

[olive spruce]

no wonder

[fast dew]

As in grinding I mean getting better

And all that

[livid oyster]

I am pretty sure it's just a rhythm game with no external competition whatsoever unless you force it that way

[thin current]

Guys, has Claude 4.6 been removed?

[fast dew]

Yes

[rigid pasture]

Yeah

[native fox]

even their ads content is only ai generated lmao

so funny

[thin current]

NOOOOO

[olive spruce]

sure broski @native fox

what the FAH

[thin current]

Whyyyy

[past socket]

Supreme architect?!?!? what r u telling that thing

[native fox]

lmao

[rigid pasture]

high cost

[fast dew]

Where r the male characters

[olive spruce]

the wierst prompt i could come up with to make it crack

[native fox]

copying antrophic infra is insane

[past socket]

rui akito touya tsukasa

[native fox]

LOL

[fast dew]

Only four?

lol

[past socket]

https://tenor.com/view/ruikasa-pjsekai-wxs-tsukasa-tenma-rui-kamishiro-gif-20206414

[olive spruce]

we got all models pretending to be claude 4.6 before gta 6

[spare rune]

all of them are kinda twinkified

wheres a buff man at

[past socket]

https://tenor.com/view/akitoya-pjsk-gif-3817841413689985101

[spare rune]

oh yeah

i liked that ornage guy

was he ren or smth

wait no

it had a K

[past socket]

akito!

[spare rune]

ok right

[past socket]

enas brother

[spare rune]

ena from hsr

[past socket]

no!!!

[rigid pasture]

Sorry... is this a game?

[spare rune]

yes

[livid oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/hohenheim-limbus-company-limbus-hohenheim-limbus-hohenheim-limbus-company-gif-4526236787741156275

[past socket]

yeup

it also had a movie!!

[spare rune]

what

[past socket]

I watched it in theaters

[spare rune]

i thought the lore was just in game

...

[thin current]

Crazy

[spare rune]

it kinda looks like a characters name i dont remember

[livid oyster]

Hohenheim from Limbus Company

[thin current]

Claude was my life

[crystal mica]

why opus got removed?

[rigid pasture]

...

[thin current]

It was my brain

[past socket]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorful_Stage!_The_Movie:_A_Miku_Who_Can't_Sing

[spare rune]

ts crazy

[past socket]

thats a problem

[thin current]

It had taken comtrol of my body

[olive spruce]

this is crazy

@native fox

[fast dew]

Whole ass title and everything

[thin current]

Lol

[spare rune]

oh yeah

[fast dew]

Making an essay

[spare rune]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-wistoria-will-gif-12780535720220717864

kinda looked like him but now that i look at it

not really

[livid oyster]

Wait

Who is this lad again?

His name is on the tip of my tongue

[spare rune]

Will Serfort

[past socket]

mr glasses

[spare rune]

its from Wistoria: Wand and Sword

[livid oyster]

OH

Right

[thin current]

Now i can officially say that I am an AI

Call me Claude

[spare rune]

opus 4.6 was my drug and now i am having drawbacks

[olive spruce]

we are ai

[livid oyster]

The manga panels are pretty goated I dare say

[olive spruce]

i am claude 4.6

[past socket]

geminis context window was my frug

now i hit token limit in an hour of chat

[spare rune]

just for roleplaying..? 😭

[olive spruce]

everyone IS CLAUDE

[fast dew]

U know what the most well drawn manga is

[livid oyster]

Subjectively, Jojo Bizarre Adventure and Berserk

[past socket]

sometimes I send it news articles bc its fun to see it react to how fcked the world has gone since 2024

but also yes it genuinely was too short idk how token limit is decided

[fast dew]

I was bt to say the climber but yh those r solid

[past socket]

bc it seems inconssirent

one chat lasted a while the other an hour

I wasn't texting a lot more in one than the other

[olive spruce]

lol

[spare rune]

jojo..?

[thin current]

Hi Claude, how are you? (Meanwhile me, wasting water to ask this useless question)

[rigid pasture]

Lol

[spare rune]

wait dont reply to me until i find that gif

[olive spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-kenjaku-jjk-op3-kenjaku-laugh-gif-6273093378868504480

[thin current]

Aahahahaha

[past socket]

ok

[livid oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-joestar-king-von-king-von-johnny-joestar-anti-piracy-screen-johnny-joestar-tiktok-sticker-netflix-gif-15496977903175842722

[spare rune]

this one

[native fox]

they poor

[livid oyster]

Lmfao

[rigid pasture]

You guys seem to really like this game

[olive spruce]

lol

[past socket]

which one

fnf ?

[spare rune]

pjsk

[fast dew]

FNF gets boring after a while of playing

[past socket]

YAY pjsk

[livid oyster]

I beg to differ

[native fox]

" we cannot provide opus anymore so we need to remove them"

[livid oyster]

with slay the spire 2

[native fox]

aah strategic

[olive spruce]

its unfortunate

[thin current]

CLAUDE COME BACK TO MEEEE

[rigid pasture]

I don't know, I got lost in the names... the one you sent the Wikipedia link for

[olive spruce]

YAYYA ITS THERE

but only in battle mode

very very hard to get

[past socket]

ohhh pjsk

[thin current]

WOOOO

[past socket]

yes I love it

I've loved it since dec 2024

[rigid pasture]

I see

Claude 4.6 writing