general

[shrewd citrus]

open router is probably the best option

[glad robin]

yeah i dont see how far 20 RPM is going to get you, you'll get rate limited fairly often on big tasks (personal experience)

[toxic whale]

Ai studio offers free API for like 3.1.flash lite and 3 flash

[shrewd citrus]

like the problem with antigravity is that the Gemini search models are ass

[dim ivy]

Why would you need more

[shrewd citrus]

like they get their sources from some bs websites most of the time

[toxic whale]

And if anyone wants good API models you can get Kimi for $1 and get alot of their API for that $1

[light garnet]

Guess this was good when it lasted.

[icy ice]

has anyhone used glm? they claim its close to opus but I doubt it.

[dim ivy]

I think you mean the plan if there's one of 1 dollar

[glad robin]

Codex also has fairly high limits for free users (and go if you're from india) plus last i checked you get gpt 5.4 so its fairly good

[whole sundial]

i prefer to put 10-20 dollars into openrouter, i sip credits with what i use gemini 3.1 pro for
it takes me a month or two to deplete $10 of credits (i don't use opus because 3.1 pro is better in my use case), but obviously vibe coders will use much more so that's why they use claude max 20x and other similar plans

[light garnet]

Us having Claude 4.6 Opus, GPT 5.4, and Gemini 3.1 Pro for free.

[sharp mirage]

I am gone using the cli for good work

[sand fulcrum]

no way they removed opus brehhhhhhh

[sharp mirage]

Like agent

[glad robin]

their entire community is crying over the fact how their models are never accessible soo :P

[sharp mirage]

Did anyone try glm agent

[icy ice]

what about copilot pro? it has a request based model vs tokens. but its only 300 req/month

[sharp mirage]

Glm 5.0 ? Or 5.1 agent

[sand fulcrum]

its reasonable or not

[shrewd citrus]

Tbf I’m way more surprised they didn’t remove the image models first

surely they cost way more right

[sand fulcrum]

it either goes both ways

[dim ivy]

I think in g2a you could buy chatgpt plus for 18€ per year

or 22 idr

[icy ice]

maybe it works better in low usage hours?

[glad robin]

copilot pro is pretty damn worth it. plus especially with the cloud tasks you can assign with it. $10/month plus extra requests for 4 cents on sonnet 4.6 and stuff is a pretty good deal

[dim ivy]

one year obviously

[shrewd citrus]

like nano banana pro gotta cost more than some text from opus

[sand fulcrum]

fr

[sharp mirage]

NGL its not that bad

[glad robin]

apparently it's "unusable" but you can give it a try

[sharp mirage]

Its bad but you can use the search from him

[icy ice]

cloud tasks means the github agent? doesnt that need paid github workspaces too?

[sharp mirage]

At least copilot is fast

[glad robin]

yep, I lucked out with the copilot student plan but then they suddenly removed the top models from it :(

[sharp mirage]

:/

[glad robin]

not that I know of- I think it's all under the copilot pro plan

[sharp mirage]

Did you see the phone App ?

Did they removed from there also ?

[glad robin]

you mean the github app?

[undone saffron]

quick chat

[trail walrus]

I know! It was so sad 🙁

[sharp mirage]

Google play , apple store app

[glad robin]

the top models? yeah, it's removed from all users with copilot student plan

[sharp mirage]

:/

[glad robin]

no more Claude 4.6 and gpt 5.4

[sharp mirage]

Microsoft be like

They never keep anything good

[glad robin]

but i guess we should've seen it coming :P they have a massive student community so ig it made sense to cut sonnet 4.6 and stuff

[glad robin]

hahah yeah

I'm just glad they still have Gemini 3.1 pro which is good enough for me

even though their CLI randomly removes models 😭

[sharp mirage]

Yes Gemini 3.1 pro is good

[sharp mirage]

We are not gone talk about windows 10, 11 removed things 🙁

[sand fulcrum]

the developers are not thinking straight which is unusual for me

[glad robin]

the only sad part is the github agent mode only has gpt 5.2 Codex and 5.3 Codex which isn't good at all

[sand fulcrum]

a lot of issues rn

log in, direct mode two side

now the models

[glad robin]

well thats not the only sad part but yeah lol

[sharp mirage]

Do they think we are going to use copilot for programming/:

[glad robin]

wait isn't that what we use copilot for? 👀

[sharp mirage]

I mean yeah but no

Idk how

[light garnet]

Will this be temporary?

Or permanent?

[sand fulcrum]

thats the question i was gonna ask

its probably the experiment

[fast dew]

They js said in the announcement they wanna bring it back

[sand fulcrum]

yep no worries

they better be

or idk

[glad robin]

oh no, that's a different product completely

[sharp mirage]

:/

[light garnet]

Good to know.

[fossil socket]

Why the hell are we removing Opus 4.6 from direct

[fast dew]

Cause it costs too much i think

[glad robin]

so Microsoft is again messing around. ms copilot is their AI on device Helper for general work

[thorny schooner]

Honestly i think I'm just going to give up on using this i have no problem with what the models remove it moth since you know I understand money i just can't it's just not worth it anymore for me when it comes to the token limitation it's just not worth it and I just don't have the patience that just doesn't work with the level of detail I work with that previously worked before updates

[sharp mirage]

Over used ig

[glad robin]

and then github copilot is github's programming Helper and github is owned by Microsoft.

[light garnet]

💰

[fossil socket]

Unbelievable

[sharp mirage]

Microsoft is :/

[glad robin]

they're not raising enough money 🗣️

[light garnet]

As it IIRC costs too much.

[fossil socket]

Well that's the last straw

That was literally my most used

[light garnet]

Same here.

[sharp mirage]

You said that

Over used:

🫠

[glad robin]

Pretty sure sonnet 4.6 should be able to do most of what you guys want

I've honestly rarely used opus 4.6 on arena

[obsidian cargo]

Can't really blame em. But it sucks.

[fossil socket]

The problem is the length for me

[glad robin]

I just find it bulky and unnecessary for most tasks, even coding work

[thorny schooner]

I mean I had no problem with it that one for me honestly just tokens updates that has been really causing me issues

[sharp mirage]

I dont think you guys feel the difference between the sonnet and opus

[fast dew]

They both got the same context window

[glad robin]

elaborate? pretty sure they have the same context window right?

[glad robin]

yeah well i dunno what issues you're facing, but you might wanna give sonnet 4.6 and maybe even some open source models a try

[thorny schooner]

Well I don't know about the models themselves but it doesn't certainly feel like that on hi this website since it has its separate enforcement on that sort of stuff

[glad robin]

kimi k2.5 is pretty good for UI and frontend work

[sharp mirage]

Hm

3.0 was good

[glad robin]

yeah that is possible. they likely don't give you the full context window to save on token costs

[sharp mirage]

I asked like the most ais who the best ui maker they all said gemini

[glad robin]

yep Gemini is pretty much the best

sonnet 4.6 is damn good too

[sharp mirage]

I got a good ui,ux .md file

[fossil socket]

Let me rephrase this, creative writing

[sharp mirage]

Yea

[fossil socket]

I use Opus just to share some of my ideas

[glad robin]

I recently got a Google AI pro sub and it's been working out amazingly for me, especially ever since Google decreased Gemini cli rate limits for free users and increased for paid users hehhee

[fleet python]

Same it sucks that we can no longer access opus for creative writing

[sharp mirage]

😶‍🌫️

[thorny schooner]

honestly for me I make I use AI for kind of role-play stuff politics etc basically what i'm trying to make an extensive countrie and once i finish setting up i ask various region/Countries what they think about each aspect of it professional and civilian and then expand on it with their opinions to variou s other aspects of the country based on our world/reality i'm going to stop sometimes I just start to do characters sometimes I have it the entire entire cultures or Nations and I'm drinking so that takes a lot of cooking limitations that work pretty damn fine on the website before the update basically political / historical role-play

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-monkey-gif-21553825

[glad robin]

blows my mind that people use opus for creative writing. also isn't opus 4.5 still available??

pretty sure you guys can still use that

opus 4.5 still tops the model benchmarks a bit below sonnet 4.6

[thorny schooner]

Honestly I wouldn't mind paying for AI but I just can't pay that's not so on chat tokens base completely separate from the models themselves

[fleet python]

4.5 is gone too

[obsidian cargo]

Opus 4.6 is the best for creative writing by a lot yeah

[fast dew]

I still have gpt 5.4 but i don't have opus

[fleet python]

All opus model is gone

[fleet python]

Same

[glad robin]

what-? they didn't mention that

[thorny schooner]

I have to constantly beat up the balance between do I use the Google one so it gives me a lot of t token orientation freedom or do I use the more creative writing once knowing that I am commonly get like 10 crops 😭

[glad robin]

wow that is unfortunate

[heavy blaze]

alll opus models are gone

[normal abyss]

who has been here long enough to remember the golden age????

[fast dew]

Why did they have to get rid of opus instead of 5.4 bruh

I would've just preferred opus instead

[fossil socket]

I still have Opus 4.6

[glad robin]

huh. did not know that, well thats pretty unfortunate for that userbase then :/

[thorny schooner]

They are not gone though ?

[light garnet]

Claude is more expensive.

Than ChatGPT.

[glad robin]

reload your cache or smth

[sharp mirage]

@light garnet btw for Android app UI

[fleet python]

Lucky you then

[sand fulcrum]

idk about users having it

[glad robin]

assuming it'll take some time to roll out changes to all users

[thorny schooner]

https://klipy.com/gifs/alastor-laugh-hip-sway

Still there

[sand fulcrum]

it should've been gone to all but some are not

[glad robin]

see if it works lmao

[plucky sparrow]

gpt5.4 is cheap

[sharp mirage]

Yes

[thorny schooner]

Brother I already used it lol after this update even before they announcement when people was trying to complain about it

[fleet python]

And it sucks at creative writing

[glad robin]

no idea then lmao

most SaaS companies take some time to roll out changes to everyone, so maybe that? but I'm just speculating

[minor bloom]

Wow, arena is dead now

[fossil socket]

I have tried Gemini for Creative Writing but honestly

[thorny schooner]

Honestly not really with how restrictive chat is on tokens that again is separate for models token /Contacts window so I'm kind of giving up on this website it's how di until they do something about it

[fleet python]

I know the feeling

[fast dew]

GPT-4.5 was probs the only good gpt model at creative writing

[fossil socket]

Opus has been the most consistent for me especially when I document my Pokémon playthroughs sometimes with them

[fast dew]

Even then it wasnt that good

[thorny schooner]

lmao same I remember when I first looked generatio with it a my immediate thinking was "no I am not even using this unless I have to" lol

[fleet python]

Gpt 5.4 is only good at ideas but other stuff ehhhhhhhh

[normal abyss]

is it just me or does claude sonnet 4-6 have no thinking option on the site?

[sharp mirage]

Gpf 4.o was the goat ngl

[fast dew]

Do u still got gpt 5.4

[fossil socket]

Honestly might try sonnet but yeah a bit disappointing they had to shelf Opus 4.6

[thorny schooner]

Yeah

[fast dew]

Yh but it liked to exaggerate like everything though that was the problem

[sharp mirage]

You feel the difference between opus and sonnet

[sharp mirage]

yeah

Has anyone tryed search models for coding?

[fleet python]

I do but no Gemini 3.1 pro, just pro preview but opus are just all gone

[fast dew]

I got gemini too

I js don't have opus

[loud herald]

Mythos and capybara are releasing soon, could be a reason why because mythos and capybara are both even bigger

[fossil socket]

I've already had that experienced when I use it to document my FireRed Playthrough with sonnet

[fast dew]

Which sucks cause opus was like the only one I used

💀

[thorny schooner]

Seems like I haven't gotten hit yet but I will probably see next morning

[normal abyss]

ive never used sonnet before, how much worse really is it????? is it that bad?

[thorny schooner]

I wouldn't really call it bad but it is definitely noticeable

[normal abyss]

well at least since 3.7 sonnet, which was great

[fleet python]

Boring is what i call it

[loud herald]

Not that bad but its not good, its worse than opus 4.5 I'd say

[fast dew]

Lowkey u can js tell the quality side by side

I don't know how to explain it but its there

[fleet python]

You can definitely see it

[sand fulcrum]

nah they'll bring it back

[quartz light]

oh my god bruh

[thorny schooner]

Best work I have ever heard to describe for it has no cuz I remember when I'm trying to do props it just feels like it's copy pasting my prompts but in a different way and not distinctive enough to justify it relatively big format god forbid even google model had more creativity in my experience

[fossil socket]

Comparison

[sharp mirage]

Not at all

[fossil socket]

Prompt I used:

Ok so just using this to compile some of my headcanons for Pokemon, starting with:

Ghetsis definitely played chess with N and Ghetsis kept doing Scholar's Mate, once N countered and legit became good, Ghetsis was "impressed" (except internally, he wasn't and he was pissed about it). Mind you this is still BW1 Era N or close to that so he'll definitely still keep the lie alive by now playing legitimately now that N countered that.

[sand fulcrum]

eh

[burnt sinew]

uh oh

has the time come?

[fast dew]

Nah it's strange cuz some people still have opus

[sand fulcrum]

before logging in, the opus is still there

:/

[burnt sinew]

i know... does that mean its coming though?

[fossil socket]

I have mine still

[fast dew]

Idk

[burnt sinew]

@echo aurora is this intentional ?

[fossil socket]

Sooner, unfortunately yes

[thorny schooner]

Again I'm not saying it's bad it's just barry brand / robotic I guess it's the best way to put it still granted for me that might be because I'm more huge scale / historical took a roleplay which probe can be advanced more specializing models at times

[sand fulcrum]

its just an experiment

who knows

[thorny schooner]

#announcements message

[thorny schooner]

#announcements message

[sand fulcrum]

We’re currently running an experiment that may temporarily remove certain models from Direct and Side-by-Side modes for some users.

[quartz light]

hey

[sand fulcrum]

this what it said

[fossil socket]

But the announcement contradicts it

[burnt sinew]

its probably my fault lol i have probably used over $10k in opus api on lmarena

[sand fulcrum]

it confuses me

[fossil socket]

Because it says like it's a full blown removal

[thorny schooner]

I'm pretty sure this is separate from the experiment

[sand fulcrum]

but i thought the developers are experimenting it?

what???

[thorny schooner]

Since one seems to be a experiment for rates well the other is more for money / stability reasons

[fossil socket]

I legit don't know anymore

[thorny schooner]

Again I think it is a separate thing that has not to do with the experiment

[burnt sinew]

hey, at least i still have it

[fossil socket]

Same here

[burnt sinew]

maybe its only for people who voted a lot?

idk

[quartz light]

yall probably havent used ctrl shift r

[burnt sinew]

cause i usually vote when it asks

[burnt sinew]

you dont think i tried that

[fossil socket]

I'm on mobile XD

[quartz light]

check canaryarena

https://canaryarena.ai

[fossil socket]

Well I'm using the vanilla

Guess canary got hitbfirst

[thorny schooner]

lmao

I still have no idea why I had it both in versions

[normal abyss]

enjoy it white it lasts my friend, say your goodbyes🙏 ❤️

[fossil socket]

For canary I don't have it but the vanilla has it though

[burnt sinew]

it srolling out or some people just keep it ig

[fast dew]

Nah cause in the announcement they said

[quartz light]

yeah they have experimental flags which are by chance

[fast dew]

Some people have it and some people dont

So maybe some people get to keep it

[fossil socket]

That'll be a miracle if that's the case but I doubt it

[quartz light]

no theyre just testing it and theyre going to push the update no matter what the feedback is

[undone saffron]

pineapple: Oh, the team forgot to remove them from that version too, I should let them know

[quartz light]

keep coping

[fast dew]

That's literally what they said in the announcement dawg

[thorny schooner]

Again I i have not even going to use it cuz it keeps causing w need to have infinite generation coaches and it has way too much generation horsepower for the chats when it comes to the This website's own enforcement/policy So I can only use them for like 10 crops and that's separate from rate limit i don't know why you all are particularly about it

[quartz light]

? what

[whole sundial]

my arena accounts are the same as they were earlier: my main has no opus but still 3.1 pro and gpt-5.4, my other account has all three still, i assume the change hasn't taken affect yet?
@echo aurora

[quartz light]

where did they say that some people are going to keep it?

[burnt sinew]

your main got nerfed rip

[quartz light]

they didnt

[burnt sinew]

its just cope

[thorny schooner]

https://klipy.com/gifs/picard-facepalm-10

[fierce jackal]

Like, there are some models missing from my account? Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?

[atomic lagoon]

If it’s like that then it’s definitely taken affect. Just slowly taking it

[thorny schooner]

https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1343296395620126911

[undone saffron]

#announcements message

[visual panther]

you all have prob with max model?

why is it so buggy

[whole sundial]

i just noticed that arena calls itself "The Official AI Ranking & LLM Leaderboard", probably to bypass the fact that "Arena" is a vague name so they have to make sure people know it's the "Official" site, at least "LMArena" was a unique name but it`s not just LLMs anymore so i guess they had to do this

[fleet python]

Well the recaptcha are getting worse too

[undone saffron]

#1451574502369656842 message

[sand fulcrum]

we are all

[sand fulcrum]

how do yall have

[shell pewter]

come on man... you don't have to take out them just like that without notice bro... wth

[sand fulcrum]

im confused

[undone saffron]

They act first and then make the announcement

[fossil socket]

Idk

[sand fulcrum]

@fossil socket how do you still have the model breh

[fossil socket]

Either it's still pending

[sand fulcrum]

did it work when you prompt

?

[fossil socket]

Because I live in the land down under

[sand fulcrum]

nonono

[fossil socket]

Yep

[sand fulcrum]

oh

fk

[fossil socket]

Still works funnily enough

[gritty rover]

Why there is no opus 4.6 in my option???
Help me
I need it most

[fossil socket]

#announcements

[sand fulcrum]

ehhh

[fast dew]

U still got all three models then

[sand fulcrum]

how about you

do you have it?

[undone saffron]

#announcements message

[fast dew]

Nah I only got gemini and gpt 5.4

Opus is gone

[sand fulcrum]

rip.

opus is gone in all of my accounts too

is opus that expensive

[fast dew]

Yh

[sand fulcrum]

no wonder its removed

but its #2 in leaderboards

which it considers as most used than all models

probably

[fleet python]

Opus is still there on canaryarena.ai but its unusable it brings captcha all the time

[fast dew]

Whats the first one

[sand fulcrum]

thinking

[fast dew]

Oh

[rigid pasture]

Me Too

[sand fulcrum]

at least max is still there

[undone saffron]

I'm using it normal
It's funny how Opus on canary is so much more stable
The ai has been processing for 7 minutes without giving a response yet, and it hasn't thrown any errors either after 10 pages of thinking

[sand fulcrum]

the question i wanna ask

is the announcement intentional or just experimenting, setting aside for the money

[undone saffron]

Intentional
Because "These changes are part of our efforts to ensure that we can continue offering access to AI models while keeping the platform running reliably."

[sand fulcrum]

but why does it say they're experimenting

in #1489407244612145272

[sullen sequoia]

ugh using the good models in vs mode is the one thing I loved with arena.ai, id pay for it.

[sand fulcrum]

yeah but how about bringing it back sustainably when its possible

i guess it goes either way

[undone saffron]

That won't happen

[sand fulcrum]

how would you know?

[undone saffron]

Because that's how these latest updates have been
More restrictions, filters, and the most powerful models were removed from the list

[visual panther]

fire fire fire

[fossil socket]

Yep

[sand fulcrum]

but the three models have a impact, doesn't it

[light garnet]

Yes, because of how they are available here for free.

[sand fulcrum]

fr.

[fossil socket]

For creative writing, yeah we're boned

[visual panther]

Aough

[undone saffron]

I've known this ever since I joined this server
The more popular a website offering something for free becomes, the more they eventually restrict access and end up taking it away

[sand fulcrum]

the models are still there when you're not logged in

[visual panther]

Auhhh

[sand fulcrum]

but you can't use it

[visual panther]

Ohohaha

[echo aurora]

Correct, this is being rolled out, so some users may still see it.

To answer your other question regarding gemini-3.1-flash-image-preview, this change is only for the Text model, so the image model will stay in place. If there are updates to this I'll be sure to put out a new announcement.

[fossil socket]

Legit might not use the website for unforeseenable future then once the update rolls around

[sand fulcrum]

imma use max.

[sand fulcrum]

yeah max still works

[sand fulcrum]

rip 4.o.

i mean opus.

[echo aurora]

The intent is to bring these models back in a way that’s more sustainable when possible.

[fossil socket]

Hoping it returns later

[fast dew]

So like how long do you think thats gonna take as an estimate

[fossil socket]

But yeah

[sand fulcrum]

is it temporary or permanent

two questions

[echo aurora]

I don't have an ETA I'd be able to share sorry to say.

[old plume]

Is there any other way to use opus 4.6

[thorny schooner]

https://klipy.com/gifs/picard-facepalm-10

Of course you give that answer or some variant of it

[visual panther]

🫂 🫂 🫂 🫂 🫂 🫂

[cyan kettle]

they should make it so reviewing models gives u uses or somethin

[sand fulcrum]

its always blunt

[visual panther]

I hit

Blunt

[thorny schooner]

For everything

[rocky fractal]

yikes

[shell pewter]

i support the move, even the timing is acceptable, but please don't pull features away without notice....
i was legit building something and typing in...

[fleet python]

What's max

[sand fulcrum]

yep me too

[shell pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-cat-thumbs-up-cat-cry-thumbs-up-crying-cat-ok-cat-gif-5747260357834857776

[sand fulcrum]

i was doing something

[sand fulcrum]

a model

[shell pewter]

dudududu

[fleet python]

Lmaoooooooo right

[rocky fractal]

I'd say really harsh limits so testing is still possible would be a way better choice than to just kill them off

[shell pewter]

facts

[rocky fractal]

even like 1 prompt an hour lol

[echo aurora]

I don't know and wouldn't want to speculate or give an inaccurate answer, that'd be worse.

[shell pewter]

true dat i aint complainig that either, i just dont like they unplug it just like that, ouch

[echo aurora]

The communication around changes with limitations is an area we can do a much better job on.

[fossil socket]

Well unfortunately I'm gonna have to temporarily put everything on hold

Opus 4.6 was the best creative writing currently

And it just got purged

Fortunately I still have it and I'm making every prompt count

[echo aurora]

Normally, we wouldn't make these announcements, but that's not great for you all so I am pushing for making announcements for these more.

[undone saffron]

@upbeat flint
Since you believe that anything offered for free must need come with restrictions that make it unsustainable to use yes or yes, what are your current thoughts on the situation regarding the [advertisement](#announcements message)?

[sand fulcrum]

its simple, be honest

[rocky fractal]

please consider making them available again but like at least 1 prompt per hour (which allows for testing without using them full time)

this sounds way more appropriate for a website that compares models than to pretend the best ones don't even exist

[sand fulcrum]

yeah

thats good

[thorny schooner]

With it it been practically the same answer you give almost every single time someone asks for something yeah so I'm sorry I kind of don't take it as a serious answer even if I understand a genuine one i'm just sorry I just don't have the patience to really take your answer seriously when that is to have it the especially with the very not very transparent stuff the way you guys are doing stuff would change its own effect you constantly repeat stuff let me get stuff like mentioned the verification issue sure you were mentioning about trying to work for fixes but every time we r reported i you just gave the copy and paste reply of oh it might be inauthentic activity when by that point we have already established something is up with it

Sorry for the rent it's just my patience with this whole thing is kind of over

[fleet python]

Its legit a nightmare

[sand fulcrum]

log in, direct issue mode

and now the models

it should've been fixed by now.

[echo aurora]

Me saying we don't have an ETA is being honest.

[light garnet]

Thanks!

[sand fulcrum]

oh

[undone saffron]

He can't reveal anything unless he's told to
He doesn't need to know everything, since the team is the one that provides him with the information

[sand fulcrum]

but your answer is making me chills

[deft spruce]

wait

WHAT?

[thorny schooner]

I probably will still be in chat but I'm probably not going to use until something is done about it

[sand fulcrum]

well you've got a point

but the answers are vague so idk

[half mist]

@echo aurora I saw your changes to Arena #announcements message and to be honest, this makes a lot of sense especially since Arena is a free AI platform. I am assuming these models were removed because of the cost, but the fact you give people a lot of other free AI models to begin with shows the dedication and effort you put into Arena for the community.

[old plume]

Is any other way to use claude opus 4.6 now ?

[frosty lava]

no it can't be cause of that or the purpose of arena himself would be nonsense

[deft spruce]

These are the AI bots I mainly use

[frosty lava]

the purpose of arena is to compare and judge frontier model

[deft spruce]

IS GONE

[fleet python]

Nope nobody has alternatives

[frosty lava]

he said its getting back

[deft spruce]

and ALL OF OPUS is GONE

WTH

WHAT HAPPEND?

[thorny schooner]

@echo aurora I hope you understand I have nothing personally against you professionally or personally it's just my patience with this whole thing is you know kind of over I hope you understand I mean I mean nothing against you professionally I personally just filled up with all everything that's kind of going on with the website glitches your own personal habits/ personal differences in approaches I hope you understand and I understand why stuff like having to remove certain AI makes sense even if I don't think it could be the best approach

[undone saffron]

You get used to it over time
Like me

[thorny schooner]

Fair enough

[undone saffron]

#general message

[sand fulcrum]

i hope opus returns it later

its needed imo

[fast dew]

Ngl probs gonna be the last model to be returned

Cause it's the most expensive one

[sand fulcrum]

you mean opus?

yeah

[rocky fractal]

let's not also dump on pineapple just because he's active as a mod, he probably had nothing to do with this decision

[undone saffron]

Removed there too

[whole sundial]

You ignored gemini 3.1 flash lite preview, is that being removed too? because you said "Gemini 3.1"

[half mist]

It’s still likely because of the cost, rate limits, and other factors with the model providers, that’s why he said they will try to bring it back in a more sustainable way

[whole sundial]

it would be dumb to remove it because nobody's using it in the first place

[quartz light]

i know

[obsidian cargo]

one of the weird things was that the limits to how much you could use opus were entirely based on prompts and not tokens. failed output? counts as one. really long short story? counts as one.

[quartz light]

"probably" pineapple doesnt decide on anything, he just sends feedback, he didnt do nun 🍍

[sand fulcrum]

so that means the current owner is not here

who's the owner of this server

[fleet python]

Is max any good in creative writing

[whole sundial]

yes, don't shoot the messenger

[sand fulcrum]

if the developers are not

[burnt sinew]

nah arena has more than full right, already giving away so much free usage haha

[quartz light]

pineapple isnt a dev

[whole sundial]

the real owner of this server is arena's founder, wei-lin chiang

[sand fulcrum]

wth

[rocky fractal]

they already said they're planning on bringing them back, let's hope for the best 💔

[undone saffron]

Check [this](#announcements message)

[whole sundial]

he has no involvement with arena anymore though, the ceo is someone else now (he is on this server but he pretty much never goes on here to my knowledge)

[half mist]

Ok, well then it’s probably rate limits, and other factors then since the models that are getting removed cause errors right now

[sand fulcrum]

so who's controlling this then

[whole sundial]

pineapple wasn't even an employee yet when this server was created, he was brought in later on to be a community manager as arena expanded

[sand fulcrum]

wei-li chiang?

[whole sundial]

pineapple

[sand fulcrum]

f

[whole sundial]

I'm pretty sure he has full admin perms here

[sand fulcrum]

imma just wait for the model to get back

i think i realized its understandable

[echo aurora]

I'd disagree with this. (Although yeah odv please don't shoot me that wouldn't be fun). But, it's part of my job to surface frustration the community has to the team.

I'd rather hear frustration, instead of the frustration not being shared with me. It not being shared with me is way worse for Arena. It's how we improve.

[whole sundial]

meaning he can do everything but demoting or punishing the owner, switching 2fa requirements for mods, and deleting the server (there may be other owner-only actions but these are the most important owns)

[rocky fractal]

ok guys you heard him, bomb him 💣💣💣💣

[thorny schooner]

Does anyone know any good free or low cost creative writing model preferably one that has strong realism/historical logic ( for alternate historical fiction face in our world)

[rain bay]

its quite fair i guess

too many people just use the opus in arena

[rocky fractal]

claude.ai has sonnet 4.6 for free too

[deft spruce]

@echo aurora Could you please pass this on to the developers? A lot of us are confused and frustrated about the sudden removal of models like Opus 4.6, GPT 5.4, and Gemini 3.1. We’d really like to know the actual reason behind this decision. If it’s because of cost, rate limits, reliability, or something else, please be transparent about it. Better communication would help a lot.

[sand fulcrum]

yeah

[sand fulcrum]

fr.

[undone saffron]

I'm glad you realized it's not about the cost

[deft spruce]

fr

[whole sundial]

yeah true, but i meant like taking it out on you vs. arena, obviously I wouldn't get mad at you for things you can't directly control

[rain bay]

for chinese writing case, deepseek beats the opus in many battles for myself

[shell pewter]

🗿 what a chad 🍍

[whole sundial]

also please reply @echo aurora

[thorny schooner]

doesn't?

Wait wrong one

[burnt sinew]

hmm

that opus

not sonent

[deft spruce]

mmm

[rocky fractal]

I'm sure there's people switching between opus thinking, non thinking 4.5 and 4.5 non thinking FULL TIME and it's nuking arena's money

so, just make it unpleasant for these people abusing it, make harsher limits, like 2 prompts an hour or 5 prompts a day, like, make it not possible to abuse for real constant work

[deft spruce]

it's opus

[echo aurora]

I understand the frustration not knowing dates. It's not a good feeling. That being said, me setting incorrect expectations I'd argue is worse. It'd be more annoying when those expectations aren't met, and would just hurt trust with our user, which is incredibly important to us and should be avoided.

[deft spruce]

BUT the problem is

OPUS 4,5 IS GONE Too

[rain bay]

may be deepseek v4 will help

[deft spruce]

it wrote ONLY OPUS 4.6 is gone

[echo aurora]

My understanding is flash lite isn't included, if there is an update I'll update the announcement.

[rocky fractal]

its was more expensive than 4.6

[shell pewter]

are you the kinda person tell teachers the homework wasn't collected yet? duh cuh

[deft spruce]

....really?

it's not a cheaper?

[rocky fractal]

yes, 4.6 optimized tool usage

[echo aurora]

I'll look into this and flag. Thanks.

[whole sundial]

then you should amend the announcement to say 3.1 pro only, "gemini 3.1" implies the series as a whole is being removed

[echo aurora]

Yeah I'll look into this more and make the announcement more clear

[rain bay]

absolutely right

[burnt sinew]

i know you know how to fix that...

[shell pewter]

what about just ban those people lmaooooo 😭

[echo aurora]

And yes, this feedback will be shared with the team. I don't want everyone to stop talking about this in #general, but having feedback organized is really helpful for us. So I would ask that using @whole sundial's thread: https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1489394191435042996 would be the best place to share this feedback.

[burnt sinew]

thats me but with 4.6

[rocky fractal]

you can't ban people for using arena to what it allows you to...

[burnt sinew]

cause 4.6 runs out

i mean

4.6 thinking runs out

so i go to 4.6 and cycle

[shell pewter]

well, not when they are abusing what is free👀

[deft spruce]

push the F12 (if you are using chrome)-> click the network tab and click fetch/XHR

and find the id

that starts

019

is it right @echo aurora

[rocky fractal]

you can't abuse when it's allowed... I guess the only way is to make quotas prevent abuse by themselves

[sand fulcrum]

can you please read my feedback, thank you

[burnt sinew]

if its fixing error you just site settings and clear cache/cookies for site

[undone saffron]

That's just visual now
Because if I "try again", I'll get a 403 error

[deft spruce]

nono i mean check the error reason

you can check why the error happened at this chat

at responce

tab

[shell pewter]

yea sure, dont hate the player hate the game right i got you
i dont disagree, that's how society works
so make new rules now and ban them 😋

[burnt sinew]

but then i would be banned 😨

[sand fulcrum]

me too

[rocky fractal]

I think banning people for using models to the extent that it was allowed is too much

[burnt sinew]

@echo aurora what about people needing 10x the queries now because they have access to worse models, making the costs higher than before?

[undone saffron]

Try with new AI

[undone saffron]

What about this one: #general message

[sand fulcrum]

yeah opus 4.6 gotta be the best for me to use.

[shell pewter]

well, don't be an abuser then? i understand it feels good to use a lot for free, but abuser hurts others quota innit? heard of fair use?
if you have to use that much, get your own subscription mate
if you tell me you are poor, get a job before you spamming ai lols

[burnt sinew]

nah im too lazy to pay when its easier

to not

[burnt sinew]

😄

should i add more backgrounds?

[echo aurora]

Sorry can you link it?

[sand fulcrum]

#1489407244612145272

[thorny schooner]

...... I don't really have a job despite my best efforts so that's not really workable for me but thank you for the advice

[shell pewter]

gotta fix the loophole, or the whole free system breaks down, pick your poison then 👀

[undone saffron]

Remove all the content and leave only the game 😹

[burnt sinew]

oh no!

its come for me and stay for the backgrounds

[echo aurora]

Can you clarify what you're asking? I'm nto following

[deft spruce]

this

im trying to explain this

[burnt sinew]

i have much more important things to work on than backgrounds rn though sadly 🙁

[deft spruce]

that checking the error

[rocky fractal]

@echo aurora
just create healthy quotas to prevent full time usage and abuse.

I'm 100% sure some people were rotating between opus 4.5/4.6 thinking and non thinking when they ran out and that ads up to pretty much all day usage.

this needs to be prevented either by a cumulative quota across models of the same family or harsher rate limits hourly like 1/2 prompts or daily 3/5 prompts so that kind of constant usage is blocked.

if you want a full time model to work with you, you should be paying for it

[shell pewter]

exactly

[undone saffron]

That can't be fixed once the AI is no longer on the list of available models
The only option is to use a different AI

[shell pewter]

factsss

[sand fulcrum]

thats actually smart

[rocky fractal]

the purpose of arena is to compare, the most important and major models should also be featured, not cut out

[sand fulcrum]

yoo

[deft spruce]

alright i made a image that how to check the error in chrome

[undone saffron]

"healthy quotas"

Puter website has implemented that measure, and it's awful

[rocky fractal]

puter I never understood how their user pays monetization model works

how are their quotas tho?

[dense sphinx]

What happened to opus?

[deft spruce]

temporary gone

due to buget maybe

[dense sphinx]

I hope they will come back

[echo aurora]

Really good feedback. It is helpful to hear this thought out like this.

[shell pewter]

nuked, literally

[fossil socket]

I still have it

Just making every prompt count

[dense sphinx]

No way? How?

[fossil socket]

Idk

[deft spruce]

idk

but the only have to gone is OPUS 4.6

but the developers had

mistakely deleted

opus 4.5 too

[dense sphinx]

They will bring back that model. I can assure you.

We need wait.

[deft spruce]

how many?

a month or a year?

[gloomy onyx]

Hopefully, but I'm not that confident. Just look at what Microsoft did with Github students' plan.

[fossil socket]

Probably 5 years

[rocky fractal]

6/7 months

[deft spruce]

.....DAMM

[whole sundial]

yeah i made similar suggestions in my thread, if arena is concerned about high opus usage then they should have a combined rate limit

[undone saffron]

Prompts / deadline = Usage

[dense sphinx]

Which model best as of this moment?

[fast dew]

For what

[rocky fractal]

I'm just saying bs, idk the time

[gloomy onyx]

depends on what you need to do

[dense sphinx]

@gloomy onyx for maximum accurate and correction.

[whole sundial]

or maybe now a combined "premium" model limit with longer limit refill times

[deft spruce]

for a long project gemini
for a short CLAUDE

[whole sundial]

would be better than outright removal

[deft spruce]

because gemini has a lot of inpit token

[dense sphinx]

Gemini still best?

[shell pewter]

sonnet 4.6, aside from gemini 3.1/ gpt 5,4

[rocky fractal]

yeah, this is a temporary removal, arena should have the better and most important models being part of the evaluation zone, just not permanently abused

[dense sphinx]

Thanks WhaTheKappa.

[undone saffron]

If they do end up doing it, it will be extremely limited

[dense sphinx]

Possibly.

[undone saffron]

3 messages per 2h for example

[fast dew]

Wdym limited

Like rates

Oh

[rocky fractal]

I mean, if not limited, it's all day usage again and people keep switching opus versions and end up creating the same issue

🫪

[deft spruce]

i know that 5 ai input token limit
MAX 200000 token
CLAUDE 200000 token
xAi 270000 token
GPT 540000 token
GEMINI 1,048,576 token

[whole sundial]

besides this most recent change is mostly about demand, opus 4.1 costs much more than any other removed model but yet it is staying (for people not in the separate opus removal experiment) due to not being used much anymore

[shell pewter]

yeah i don't mind, as a user, i want the whole thing to be sustainable too
if its dead, we are all done so

[deft spruce]

so for a long project

GEMINI

for a short project

CLAUDE

[rocky fractal]

I think tokens are a mess to define rate limits 💀 ... maybe just prompts limit and that's it

[whole sundial]

what is "XI"? Grok (by xAI?) Xiaomi MiMo?

[native fox]

hello guys i wanna ask why opus model is gone?

[hollow mulch]

Hello

[native fox]

damn i become unemployee now

[dense sphinx]

@native fox reduced to atoms.

[native fox]

we are cooked the

[gloomy onyx]

Arena team removed it because it's too expensive with the current usage limits.

[echo aurora]

Hey @native fox we put out an announcement with more information: #announcements message

[deft spruce]

oh my mistake
xAI

[dense sphinx]

They fix soon

[native fox]

dang

[deft spruce]

fixed

[light garnet]

💰

[gloomy onyx]

Soon? I doubt it

[rigid pasture]

Oh... but from my tests, GPT is handling way more than Gemini and Claude... almost double the prompts I managed to do

[fast dew]

Yh in like 6 months

[native fox]

until when sir?

[native fox]

bruh dont say that

[echo aurora]

I don't have an estimated timeframe I can share.

[rocky fractal]

I'll be waiting for a bombastic announcement saying they're back 👀

[native fox]

we all cooked if that happen

[gloomy onyx]

Anthropic should definitely lower their API prices, like, even Microsoft cannot afford all that

[undone saffron]

I once had 200 credits to use, but those credits were used up in just 4 messages
Apparently, the credits were supposed to be replenished daily or weekly, but even after waiting a week, they only increased by 15
It's not worth it at all

[native fox]

i think its worthy tho since its so gooood

[deft spruce]

hmmm that's werid....actually i found in the chrome developer tools

[native fox]

the 4.6 opus one is insane

[rocky fractal]

it's the model itself that's expensive, it's a large dense architecture model, not a moe like Gemini, it's large, dense, tons of tool calls...

[deft spruce]

and i can found when the each model input token is overd

[gloomy onyx]

yeah I know, still it's like drinking million-dollars worth of API calls

and it's crazy to think about

[native fox]

why opus 4.5 is also gone sir? @echo aurora

[deft spruce]

a mistake maybe

[native fox]

in announcement just said opus 4.6 removed

[rocky fractal]

it's even more expensive than 4.6 opus

[fast dew]

They bringing 4.5 back

[native fox]

when?

wen

[fast dew]

Idk but its being brought back

[rocky fractal]

2047

[native fox]

dang

[echo aurora]

More info can be found in this announcement: #announcements message

[native fox]

we already live in mars in 2047

[gloomy onyx]

they are talking about 4.5

not 4.6

[rocky fractal]

grok 67 by then

[deft spruce]

so it will be back soon maybe

[echo aurora]

I'm looking for clarity on this. My understanding is it should just be 4.6

I'll be updating the announcement with the specific models

[native fox]

all opus models is gone sir

[echo aurora]

Yup, I understand that

[native fox]

they all gone

[deft spruce]

oh wait wrong message

[echo aurora]

The initial announcement was sloppy, and that's on me.

[native fox]

well gg i guess i need to go out and touch grass

[rocky fractal]

my bad it was actually opus 4.1 and 4 that were more expensive

[light garnet]

💀

[native fox]

they on drugs maybe?

[native fox]

damn 3x more expensive

[rocky fractal]

they optimized the tool call fun function on 4.5 and 4.6

[fast dew]

Yh but no one uses those models so its chill

[deft spruce]

he said he will sent thwe flag it will be back on weekwnd maybe...

[native fox]

yap

[native fox]

yap

well happy unemployee guys

gg

[rocky fractal]

time to buy a Mac with a ton of ram and use qwen3.5 27b locally and skip all the having to pay for llms

[native fox]

i still love claude

idk why

just like im already married that models

[rocky fractal]

4.6 is great for human like chatting

[native fox]

exactly

[undone saffron]

And coding

[rocky fractal]

and everything

[native fox]

100

[fleet python]

And creative writing

[native fox]

yeah it still the best model

like really chad

[native fox]

100

[undone saffron]

@echo aurora

[rigid pasture]

Is this update for everyone? I don't use Opus 4.6, but those models are still showing up in my list

[undone saffron]

For everyone

[rigid pasture]

I might lose access in a bit, not sure.

[undone saffron]

Yes, just use one

[native fox]

chad how????

[rigid pasture]

I don't know

[native fox]

its still available in phone

why dude?

[pastel fog]

Hello everyone I’m crown I’m new here

[native fox]

hello

[rigid pasture]

It's working normally...

[pastel fog]

How are you doing champ

[native fox]

yeah im also still have it in my phone just notice

[native fox]

doin good how bout u?

[light garnet]

Which I like using it for.

[neon crater]

cache

[rigid pasture]

I already did

[native fox]

yeah its still available in phone

well nice i think

[neon crater]

you'll probably lose them if you re-log. The same thing happened to me on my phone; they were still listed until I signed out and back in.

[burnt sinew]

non thinking model starts thinking

wow

[rigid pasture]

I did that too.

[neon crater]

It could be an account-specific issue then, or maybe just a mismatch between your local cache and the server. At least, mine are gone for sure.😩

[blazing warren]

I can also access it here, both from my PC and my mobile phone

[rigid pasture]

Maybe I'll lose access later, or it’s just some accounts that lost it... it's still showing up on my laptop as well

[light garnet]

Speaking of which, how good is Max?

For Arena?

As a stop-gap until we get back our Opuses.

[hollow mulch]

Well did anyone got issue the model don't give response

[burnt sinew]

it just does opus 4.6 if you have it available, and grok 4.20 one if you dont

[echo aurora]

It's in the process of being removed, but seems like there is some cases where it's handing around or acting odd.

[native fox]

magic

[native fox]

pls dont pineapple i beg you

pls

[undone saffron]

He's just the messenger, not the page admin

[echo aurora]

This is happening, it is our intent to bring the models back eventually. But for the moment the models mentioned are being removed.

[neon crater]

Okay, I have a useful data point. I'm logged into Account A on my PC and phone. On Account B, which is logged into a virtual machine, I can still access and use the 'thinking' model. It definitely seems to be account-based.

[undone saffron]

The same thing happened to me, and within a minute it disappeared from the list along with the others
It's only a matter of time before they disappear from your list too

[native fox]

sad

[fossil socket]

I still have mine, I'll be honest, might not use the website indefinitely until they return Opus

Sonnet is mid af

[errant perch]

me who using opus in AntiGravity with credits exhausting in 10 min🥲

[rigid pasture]

The news... I lost Opus access on incognito... it's still there on my main account, but it's just a matter of time now.

[undone saffron]

You're more likely to look for another site that offers opus for free than to wait for them to add it again

[upbeat flint]

implying there is another

[native fox]

where claude is free?

where is the offer?

[upbeat flint]

I'm surprised the free opus held on this long anyway.
4.5's staying though, right?

[fossil socket]

I honestly doubt I'd even find a website that has them for free

[undone saffron]

For now

[native fox]

4.5 is gone also

[fossil socket]

Anyways yeah I'm definitely not be using the website for the time being

[native fox]

the opus one

is gone

no one use sonnet tbh

[undone saffron]

Ah, nvm

[native fox]

yea

sad

[undone saffron]

I found one yesterday

[native fox]

i think he mean for claude

[light garnet]

Link.

[obsidian cargo]

Opus will still be available in battle mode btw

[native fox]

is claude opus there also?

[native fox]

really?

when?

[obsidian cargo]

Yes

[native fox]

WHEN?

[obsidian cargo]

Now

[upbeat flint]

battle is anonymous random though

[obsidian cargo]

It was always in battle mode its not getting removed from there

Yeah

[upbeat flint]

so it ain't doing you any good

[native fox]

its random chad

[undone saffron]

I know, but there's also claude opus

[obsidian cargo]

But you can still get Claude opus there if you repeatedly submit the same prompt

[native fox]

link chad

[native fox]

even the 4.5 thinking version?

[obsidian cargo]

Yes

[native fox]

i cant dm u

need link

[upbeat flint]

it says only 4.6 on the announce though

[obsidian cargo]

They're removing it from direct and side by side because these models are extremely expensive to run, like a dollar per prompt sometimes, and they're not making any money or enough data to justify it

[upbeat flint]

probably pressured by companies to take down newest models

or ye just money concerns if all opus models get taken down

[native fox]

yeah all opus models is gone

[upbeat flint]

should honestly just rangeban the biggest culprit countries instead to preserve cash and decent scores

[echo aurora]

4.5 is gone also
These variants are being restored. This isn't accurate, all opos varients are being removed.

[native fox]

nah should just limit the request per day

for example 1 user only can give 2 prompts a day

better than remove the models

[undone saffron]

The problem with that is that the AIs you might get as a response are random, and the chance of getting opus 4–6 is minimal

[native fox]

claude 4.5 opus thinking one also being restored?

[native fox]

yeah

[upbeat flint]

people will make 99999 accounts anyway

[native fox]

0.0000001 chance to get

lower than my chance to success

[native fox]

right tho

[obsidian cargo]

Brute force it and provide arena with tasty tasty vote data in the process

[icy ice]

codex resent their limits. claude already had too low limits. on both of those you can burn thru your weekly limit in a single session. thats for the $20 plan

[native fox]

for some people that still have these models

are they will lose it or?

[whole sundial]

as long as it is not an opus 4.6 model, it will be re-added

[native fox]

ah nice sir

[native fox]

u are part of the internal team or just a mod sir?

[fossil socket]

Bro really ain't sending a link huh

[undone saffron]

[Can't](#rules message)

[native fox]

ye

[rigid pasture]

Search for this photo on Google.

I found

[fossil socket]

Yeah I'm not using this website then

Doubt I'll find an alternative anyways

[undone saffron]

There are, but 100%+ limited

[fossil socket]

Yeah whatever

Keep your secrets to your tomb I'll just here not be using the website until further notice

[native fox]

lol

[sullen creek]

is opus4.6 going away?

[deft spruce]

what is this site name?

[short sluice]

how can i use opus 4.6 for free now

[burnt sinew]

if you want i still have access to it you can ask me

[short sluice]

you seem suspicious

[burnt sinew]

🙁

[native fox]

yeayeah dont believe lol

[short sluice]

its still on some accounts for me though

[fossil socket]

Nope I legit have it still for the time being

[short sluice]

i hope there will be another site with free access once it disappears from all my accs

[sullen creek]

not happening

[short sluice]

only gone on one acc for me

[sullen creek]

opus is extremely expensive

im honestly surprised they offered it for so long here

[native fox]

they said will bring back opus 4.5

[undone saffron]

Maybe they ran out of money

[native fox]

.

[sullen creek]

4.5 is way less intellignce than 4.6

[native fox]

maybe

[native fox]

i know but atleast

[sullen creek]

they cant sustain giving us free opus in the long run

[short sluice]

yes but 4.5 is word i cant use because of filter-ty

[deft spruce]

...WT?????????????

[short sluice]

on my other accs 4.6 is still there

[undone saffron]

Use them for 1-3 minutes and you'll see

[sullen creek]

wait if we get a job in lmarena do we get all the models for free

[short sluice]

no its completely fine and thinking too

[keen beacon]

OH GUYS

nooo way

[sullen creek]

yes way

[icy ice]

if you have a job you can probably afford to pay for a premium model 🙂 and i'm sure employees get to use the site for free like most companies

[sullen creek]

unless you are a neurosurgeon you are not affording to pay for that

[short sluice]

also i wont have worries using 3.1 anyway because i already have google ai studio

[undone saffron]

But you can run opus locally
They accidentally leaked their code

[icy ice]

from what i've read no one uses the claude api - they all use the max plan which is much cheaper for heavy usage

[burnt sinew]

claude sub costs 20/month...

[short sluice]

and ive never used gpt 5.4 anyway

[burnt sinew]

but 200/month if you use it like i used arena

[native fox]

yeah gpt is sucks

[sullen creek]

you cant run opus locally, claude code got leaked that does not mean u can run opus locally

[native fox]

all we need is opus chad

[sullen creek]

extreme rate limits

[icy ice]

the $20 plan you can exhaust weeklu limit in a few prompts

[short sluice]

still i havent used battle ever. ive only used direct and side by side

[sullen creek]

only true unlimited way is using api keys like openrouter or the claude api

[short sluice]

also couldnt they have just removed claude 4.6 from direct and put it in side by side

that way i dont have to play guessing games

[icy ice]

gh copilot is request based so 1 request can do a lot of work and use lots of tokens

[sullen creek]

yourun can claude code locally, you still need to pay for opus

[icy ice]

this is nonsense. clause code is meaningless, its same as opencode. the value is in opus

[sullen creek]

exactly

[native fox]

100%

we really need opus back

atleast 4.5

[short sluice]

its very stupid that they dont have claude sonnet thinking 4.6 at least

[sullen creek]

they have sonett thinking

[short sluice]

its 4.5

[native fox]

sonet its sucks

[burnt sinew]

200/mo? no

[icy ice]

its not coming back. they probably had a deal with anthropic which is over. its not cheap and a lot of people abuse arena's limits

[native fox]

also sucks

[sullen creek]

100$ for 5x and 200$ 20x

[burnt sinew]

yes 20x

its more than enough

[short sluice]

well i wait them

[sullen creek]

u need to pay 200$ for that

[burnt sinew]

yea for like $2k+ worth of api credits...

[sullen creek]

99% of people are not going to spend that much on a ai chatboy

[short sluice]

gemini 3.1 is generally worse for worldbuilding because it cant do long replies like 4.6 can

[rigid pasture]

Hey, did they release your code?

[icy ice]

guys there are lots of models - kimi, minimax, glm. none of them are as good as opus or codex, but they are probably plenty good enough for a ton of tasks

[short sluice]

kimi is chinaslop

also ive used it and it was basically every ai stereotype ever

[icy ice]

are we talking code, or chatting with llm?

[short sluice]

chatting

i dont use it to code

[sullen creek]

they are going to save millions of dollars because they retired opus

[burnt sinew]

yeah if you are just using it as an ai chatbot then gemini 3.1 pro is PLENTY ENOUGH

its basically as good for chatting

[icy ice]

ok then you mean research? because you dont need opus for general llm chats

[burnt sinew]

for coding opus obviously better but not insanely

[sullen creek]

no opus is insanely better

[short sluice]

i use it for worldbuilding and making transcripts

[sullen creek]

i have gemini pro

3.1 is really bad at coding

[burnt sinew]

you dont need to pay for 3.1 pro

also

its worse on gui

you know right

[sullen creek]

i got it for free

[burnt sinew]

yea well its free anyway so

but

dont use it on the gui ..

[short sluice]

because thats the thing its best at

also 3.1 pro is not the best at worldbuilding and transcripts because its replies are generally shorter

[burnt sinew]

its terrible there

[ripe iron]

Yo

[icy ice]

ok, nothing is really close to opus for creative writing. a good option is gemini

[sullen creek]

its bad on the backend too

[burnt sinew]

they add trash system prompt

[burnt sinew]

🤷‍♂️

i dont think its trash

[ripe iron]

Where is Claude Opus 4.6

[burnt sinew]

i prefer opus

[ripe iron]

And Thinking

[burnt sinew]

gone!

[ripe iron]

Vruh

L

[burnt sinew]

its expesnive

i still ahve it tho

[native fox]

opus is literally good at everything

[sullen creek]

some accounts might still have opus

[ripe iron]

Which Website

[short sluice]

mine

[burnt sinew]

arena

[native fox]

opus is the chad

[burnt sinew]

i still have it on my account

[ripe iron]

Wait

Im creating a new acc

T9 bypass that

[rigid pasture]

Me too

[ripe iron]

👍

[icy ice]

get gh copilot, it still has opus 4.6, for $10/month, its the cheapest way to get it. use bigger prompts and gt more done

[rigid pasture]

But I'm not going to celebrate, just a few hours until they remove it.

[sullen creek]

u cant

[thorny schooner]

Honestly for me it's not really worth it if I have it right now on this website because of the whole token and honestly like consumed so much contacts

[short sluice]

also my opinion on the grok models that arent web is that they generally tend to hallucinate 95% of the time you ask it something more obscure

like the thinking only ones

[icy ice]

grok is trash

[native fox]

grok is trash

[ripe iron]

Yo any websites that give FREE Claude Opus 4.6 exept for this "If you refresh the page it will be stuck at Generating" website

[icy ice]

its like a toddler among adults. a brain dead toddler with crazy views

[native fox]

true i agree

[short sluice]

also 4.5 opus is gone for me on the account i dont have 4.6 opus too

[ripe iron]

Every Claude model is gone in my Acc

[native fox]

i still have it chad

[short sluice]

i have sonnet and haiku aka ahh

[rigid pasture]

Try creating another account.

[icy ice]

i have opus 4.6 but it doesnt work, stuck on generating, so its pointless

[rigid pasture]

It worked for other people.

[native fox]

both trash

idk what antrophic feed opus models

its insane

[ripe iron]

Dude
Be honest.
Rate your opinion on
Losing the prompt because of misclick refreshing the page or clicking home
And having Rate Limits to wait 59 minutes to talk to that Model again

[sullen creek]

chatgpt is really bad now

[echo aurora]

Hey wanted to update this - all opus variants are being removed for now.

[ripe iron]

🥀

[rigid pasture]

Oh

[lavish ibex]

Nooooooo not opus

[ripe iron]

R u poor man

🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀

[short sluice]

🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀

[thorny schooner]

Oh I hate that scenario with a passion and that's not even referring token limits since the recent updates that for some reason include prompts or Generations that were not even finished negative 10,000

[lavish ibex]

Opus is top tier 😔

[ripe iron]

Pineapple just add Ads Goddamn it
That way you earn
And we get Opus for free

[thorny schooner]

I'm honestly kind of past the point of having a reaction 🫤

[ripe iron]

Basically a Win win for us

[native fox]

yeah

[icy ice]

could you at least provide a way to transfer existing llm chats to another model? there isn't even a download/save button, so you have to copy each prompt/response manually

[lavish ibex]

Ask for a full context document

[minor bloom]

Well, I guess we need Deepseek to save us

We lost Arena

[icy ice]

that doesnt really work with code.

[sullen creek]

nothing comes close to opus

[minor bloom]

At least we will always have aistudio

[thorny schooner]

I don't know if you were referring to asking that with the chat and if so that doesn't really work if you are going to transfer texts after you hit max limit since for some reason in my chance that just causes you to get a generation glitch when you restart the website

[minor bloom]

I hope

[ripe iron]

@echo aurora
I have a way to improve the Website
Trust
Just make Opus 4.6 + Thinking free
And make it so that when you refresh the page
It doesnt break the prompt into "Generating" forever
Add Ads to make you earn some Revenue and done

[native fox]

bros

[undone saffron]

On huggingface, I thought I saw opus 4-6 gguf
Although there is this:

[icy ice]

right now my opus chat is stuck on 'generating' so I can't ask it anything

[sullen creek]

its qwen 3.5

[ripe iron]

Yo puh same

[native fox]

4.5 thinking still working

[ripe iron]

Should we Protest pinging Pineapple in general and making him update what we want

[native fox]

agree chad

[minor bloom]

Hey, at least they didn't remove grok

💀

[ripe iron]

Grok mid

[rigid pasture]

Perhaps you could create a new chat and send a message; when the "stop generating" button appears, you can return to the old chat (the "stop" button will be there).

[sullen creek]

not a good idea

[ripe iron]

We need
Claude Code
Claude Opus 4.6 + Thinking
And Capybara💀

[icy ice]

interesting, will try that

[rigid pasture]

Ok

It worked for me.

[undone saffron]

Yes, I know
Those are older models in that screenshot btw
There's a 780B version that uses opus reasoning and is fed data by the community