general

[signal pelican]

v2.8.0?

[safe lintel]

<@&1349916362595635286> uhhhhhhhhhhh

[whole sundial]

just look up "prism ai llama.cpp", you can download it from their repo

if the links on top don't work, use the release links on the bottom

[light siren]

u should work for lmarena so they finally start fixing bugs rather than make features with 50 more bugs

[vale vortex]

Quick question, while GPT 5.2 search is the best GPT for verifying things, what's the best regular GPT 5 version for writing an article for research?

[lunar glade]

Yupp is going down? is it true or just april fool?

[thorny schooner]

I genuinely hate this update like I can genuinely use almost always only gemini-2.5-pro cuz it doesn't burn due my entire damn chat limitation in a few pumps 😭

[visual panther]

Is max working with super grok?

[wanton fable]

WTF, I is has hit and remain faced token limit, WTF. must fix and solution please, admin must listen me, but admin is like dont listen me

[toxic verge]

https://youtu.be/mBHRPeg8zPU?si=biABkc6n87SYPNXr

Lmao

This is the 💩I’m talking about all the time lol

[fast stag]

I am building one app and it by default start working in battle mode? can i change the mode? and also what i see it says it has added the feature but in preview it does not show those added feature

[rustic gale]

@quasi atlas if you may

[undone saffron]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[floral shard]

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-nope-wheel-northernlion-fortune-gif-1884086658338738891

[light siren]

So, this guy was hacked

a couple friends of mine got hacked as well and sent the exact same message

whats funny is it's pretty easy to spot the scam

[golden ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/claude-claude-code-gif-5783021696632742639

[visual panther]

Does anyone know the max model in direct has limitation?

[golden ocean]

You're absolutely right

[golden ocean]

real

true

[light siren]

are you lost buddy-

[quasi burrow]

Hi

[light siren]

hi

[harsh hare]

hell everyone

who does car content here

[light siren]

hi

[light siren]

?

[harsh hare]

car ai yt automation

[light siren]

so AI channel content

[harsh hare]

yes

[light siren]

you could look around idk

[harsh hare]

what do you do

[light siren]

I'm personally against AI slop content

like REALLY against

[harsh hare]

thats if the content is slop rii

[light siren]

what are you talking about, literally any AI content is AI slop

it's the definition of "AI slop"

[harsh hare]

i gat you now

asides being againt ai content what do you do

[light siren]

I can't understand what you're saying

oh

I do programming idk

[harsh hare]

thats sharp

[light siren]

sharp?

[harsh hare]

cool

[toxic verge]

You take the same AI code

Slop code

[light siren]

see I didn't say I use AI to code, usually I code on my own, only times I do use ai is for experiments in languages I dont yet know enough of

all my projects you will see none are ai

[toxic verge]

I’m just saying in general

[light siren]

I knew that accusation was coming dude

wdym

[toxic verge]

I agree with you. It’s all slop.

But I don’t know I like it

I don’t mind though it’s cheap and quick

Bang bang and you knocked out you know

It’s a time saver

[light siren]

other times I use AI is when I wanna set something up and idk how to

[toxic verge]

We had slop way before even AI

[light siren]

that is true

[toxic verge]

https://youtu.be/Tsp2bC0Db8o?si=v_hxVI5ENcAWuYBM

Look at the music industry before AI

[light siren]

a

[toxic verge]

All the radio music is pretty much slop lol

[light siren]

crazy

[toxic verge]

It is what it is

Fast food all slop

[light sleet]

Check this out

#ai-creations

[toxic verge]

Damn that’s a double wrapper

🤣

[light sleet]

Ik

I have admin panel that shows everyone who logged in

Pineapple, are you "testingacount"?

[light siren]

so u can dox us

fantastic

[light sleet]

It doesn't use email

It's js simple username and pass

No address in anything

[light siren]

I doubt I can trust that

[light sleet]

I can't see location, only the account made in the web, I can ban and stuff

[frank tulip]

Guys I have a question, when I’m out of token on one chat, is there a way for me to possibly get all those content of the chat in the form of a summary ?

[light siren]

once more I repeat

I still cant confirm it so I cant trust it

[light sleet]

kk

[light siren]

nope sorry

unless u dont have an account

then chats are stored in cache I think idk

[rustic gale]

@quasi atlas I believe this one needs to be removed since either spam or scam or shameless self-promotion, no? #general message

[frank tulip]

Aight bro

[light siren]

best u ask like a friend or smthn

[echo aurora]

Thanks, have taken care of.

[light siren]

uhm it's still there is it some webhook thing

[light sleet]

alot ppl already tested soo

[light sleet]

I thought that was until I saw the fake blank pfp

[echo aurora]

Thanks, very sneaky user

[light siren]

maybe the guy u removed was innocent

😭

[echo aurora]

They were also trying to promp Video Arena, so a bit

[light siren]

damn

[light sleet]

Yo btw tell me ur username in Shade I'll give u infinite dredius

[light siren]

did not know that wasnt allowed-

[echo aurora]

I tired a generation and wasn't able to get it to work

[light sleet]

Oh yea

That's a bug

[echo aurora]

We send a warning first, and if they continue (which happens a lot) we ban

[light siren]

I see

@echo aurora can u check conversation ids and figure out why they're stuck

I switched models to like claude opus and then messaged so I dont get captchas again and now it's stuck

well imma force unstuck the chat whether u like it or not :D.

oh hell yea it works

yea I'm turning this into an extension as a fix for ur users since u guys are too busy making broken features :D.

[light sleet]

Yo i fixed it u can try again

[long siren]

@echo aurora Did lmarena just reduced token limit again

I can't even use my previous chat pdf and paste it there to continue my chjat anymore

It hits max token in 2-3 prompts

[storm dust]

oh hell nah

[toxic verge]

Damn it it’s over

For Sora

😭

I may have to retire also

[bleak lake]

It's actually not

there's a misconception going on that sora 2 got shut down but it's the Sors social media platform that was shut off along with the api it gave. The model still works btw

Not like they closed it like gpt 4o

[light sleet]

So how will I use it?

[sullen creek]

hey @echo aurora any update on the generation limit or anything like that? any plans to increase/lower the limit?

[analog aspen]

uhm why is claude opus 4.6 not found in lmarena?

[light sleet]

It is there

[analog aspen]

@light sleet i dont see it by searching it

[toxic verge]

They are ending api in sept

[analog aspen]

i dont see claude opus 4.6 on the model lost [screenshots for further evidence that its not there]

[light siren]

it only sometimes appears dude, you gotta learn to not compare your client to others

[light siren]

see whats funny, I only have the 4.6 models not 4.5 or other models, it tends to happen

dont know of a fix as of now

[light sleet]

What was I comparing?

I just said it is there

If i said "it is there, stop lying" that would mean I'm comparing

[shy mason]

are you slow?

tfym "compare" twin js said "its there" only lmao 🥀 😭

and how was he supposed to know if theres a bug about it

so basically

youre lit the one who needs to learn smt 🙏🏻

learn to not reply to smt that doesnt include you💔

[light siren]

you wanna stay out of this

[light siren]

you said "it's there" so the assumption was you assumed it's there for you so it must be for them

thats all

[shy mason]

aint u not doing that too

[light siren]

no I'm here being reasonable you're here tryna start a fight by ridiculing someone

[shy mason]

when was i?

that means you jus got mad about what i sair

said

[shy mason]

• why do u care if they do anything

[light siren]

you deliberately tried to get me mad

[shy mason]

and youre getting mad

that is a you problem isnt it

cuz

I wasnt trying

you have to learn not to jump into people's convos

[light siren]

now that's straight up ragebait bro 💔

[shy mason]

I jumped into this cuz you WERE the one to start a fight between the vince guy

[shy mason]

not my fault youre getting ragebaited 💔

[golden ocean]

11 minutes

thats more acceptable

[light siren]

great sure

[shy mason]

• he didnt mention anything about it must be for them so PLEASE stop telling people to learn smt that they didnt do 🥀

im js tryna explain

not "ragebait" u

[light sleet]

Guys what is happening

[light siren]

this guy's arguing with me for arguing with u ig idk

[shy mason]

so you confirmed it

you were arguing with him bcz he said it's there

lol

[light siren]

isnt it the truth that I was arguing

[shy mason]

and he didnt even reply to that

[light siren]

what does that prove

[shy mason]

💀

[light siren]

that im wrong?

it proves I argued

[shy mason]

the fact you wanted to argue over someone saying "it's there" on their perspective

[light siren]

like are you dense

[shy mason]

lol

😭 😭

[shy mason]

now that's what we call u getting ragebaited

cuz u js said u were arguing with the vince guy cuz he said it's there

that's CRAZY

[light siren]

I even justified the argument, they said "it's there" instead for smthn like "It might be a bug or smthn" they were somewhat implying it's there for them so it would be for them too, and then I clarified that was the assumption
you're here tryna argue over nothing, no logic just pure ragebait no justification whatsoever

[shy mason]

so what if he said its there

is that your problem or his?

it's his isnt it

[light siren]

is it a crime me calling it out

no it's not

end of discussion

[shy mason]

If @analog aspen didnt get mad about it that's your fault

[shy mason]

Yep

[shy mason]

It kinda is cuz ur jumping into conversations that doesnt include u so u learn before saying anything.

[light siren]

what is there to learn I acted on pure human logic, and I know the context

[shy mason]

And he said it's there and you told him to learn lol

what is there to learn for him

[outer flicker]

im got reach to chat limit of the converstation but when im refresh is back to issue infnite genration

[shy mason]

starting to learn how to speak better?

that's his teacher's problem not yours

Didn't we agree to end of discussion?

[light siren]

hey dude u gotta like unlock the chat the chat gets stuck and rather than fixing it the devs make new broken features so like, here's a console command u can use. Press f12 on the website and go to console then paste this in the console

(function() {
    'use strict';
    console.log("Attempting to force unlock Arena.ai UI...");

    // 1. UNLOCK THE INPUT BOX (Textarea)
    const inputBox = document.querySelector('textarea');
    if (inputBox) {
        inputBox.removeAttribute('disabled');
        inputBox.placeholder = "Force Unlocked by Script";
        inputBox.style.border = "2px solid #00ff00"; // Green border to show it worked
        console.log("Input box unlocked.");
    } else {
        console.log("Input box not found.");
    }

    // 2. UNLOCK THE SEND BUTTON
    // We target all buttons that are currently disabled to be safe
    const disabledButtons = document.querySelectorAll('button:disabled, button[disabled]');
    
    disabledButtons.forEach(btn => {
        // Remove the HTML disabled attribute
        btn.removeAttribute('disabled');
        
        // Remove the Tailwind CSS lock (The "Juice")
        // These are the classes that prevent clicks and make it look grey
        btn.classList.remove('pointer-events-none'); 
        btn.classList.remove('cursor-not-allowed');
        btn.classList.remove('opacity-50');
        
        // Add a visual indicator
        btn.style.cursor = "pointer";
        btn.style.opacity = "1";
        btn.style.border = "1px solid red"; // Red border to identify the unlocked button
        
        console.log("Button unlocked:", btn);
    });

    alert("UI Unlocked! Check for the Input box with a green border and Buttons with red borders.");
})();

Imma turn this into an extension soon

[light sleet]

I cant do this in mobile right

[light siren]

there are special browsers with dev tools on mobile u might be able to

[light sleet]

Such as Kiwi Browser

[light siren]

ig so

[light sleet]

Will it be available on Chrome Web Store?

[light siren]

I'm not sure yet I needa check like the terms and services of arena

[light sleet]

Kk

code arena generated a website called shade that's like code arena so shade generated this 😭 😭

[light siren]

damn

[light sleet]

Trying generating a website that generates websites in Shade too

😭 😭

[light sleet]

btw I named it amirs rides so it would represent that Uber Driver meme 💀

[light siren]

thats insane

[light sleet]

Ikr

Ima go to shade and ask it to generate a website that can build websites 💔

Family Tree ahh

[light siren]

I see

[outer flicker]

is work really thank you man 😄

[light siren]

np dude, yea it's pretty cool

[plucky sparrow]

has anyone found anything better than perplexity for deep search? grok seems to be nerfed.

[light siren]

gemini search isnt so bad

[plucky sparrow]

it's ok, but I find perplexity is more through

[light siren]

I see, I dont know enough about that u can ask others

[plucky sparrow]

thanks for the input!

[opal osprey]

a birdie told me arena.ai will start their API tomorrow, right @echo aurora ?

[outer flicker]

but can you suggest any app have dev tool like chorme in mobile?

[light siren]

I had this app for android called "browser dev tools"

I think it exists for android

or just search those keywords

[outer flicker]

oh im will try download later

[light siren]

kk

[outer flicker]

your code really work

[light siren]

It's not my code, but it does work yea

[drowsy gust]

If I want to ask for feature wher Edo I go

[light siren]

feedback ig

[tawny lion]

hi guys i have a question

i am trying to make a video and i asked to make it portrait video but its not working

[light siren]

explain how it's not working

is it stuck

did it throw an error

[tawny lion]

no no just keep generate regular video landscape

[light siren]

dude be clearer, how exactly is it not working

what am I supposed to understand from "keep generate regular video landscape"

is it generating forever?

[tawny lion]

no

every time i ask to generate me a video for example a cat dancing

and i want the video in portrait

it generate me a new video but the resolution is landscape

everything is fine i just want a portrait resolution

[light siren]

I dont think, unless there are options to make it portrait, that it would work

like I think the AI needs to support such options

I doubt it can be fixed otherwise

[tawny lion]

ok thank you

[light siren]

another one got hacked...

<@&1349916362595635286> might wanna kick that guy

oh wow

thanks

[golden ocean]

real

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-monkey-gif-21553825

[toxic verge]

You guys wanna know how dirty the industry is I’ve noticed all along, but there’s finally proof

Man people used to say this was crazy nonsense

Neither does Gemini or ChatGPT do this also

Hella deceptive lmao

[golden ocean]

i was waiting for bro to mention this specific part of fireships video

[toxic verge]

I’ve been saying this for years and people used to laugh

Because the models never mentioned themselves sometimes when you refer to them, it’s the oddest thing

They will say something like AI or Llm

[ocean stream]

cration dede

[toxic verge]

These are the type of words that use

[manic axle]

💀

[west lodge]

using codearena for non-webapps is actually a w over text arena

it can actually do something useful because it can search web properly and manage files better than the other 2 arenas

[rugged abyss]

Insane performance from Qwen, gotta give it to them

[echo aurora]

That birdie is a liar

[echo dome]

what?

never tried qwen plus

[signal pelican]

still unable to log into my Google account on Arena and it has been 2 months now. 🤦‍♂️

[echo aurora]

Sorry to say I won't be able to share details about upcoming plans, and when to expect them.

[proud bobcat]

Qwen cooked

[echo aurora]

Are you able to share the Eval ID for the chat session this is happening with?

[echo dome]

what does this preview do?

[echo aurora]

Are you getting the issue where you try to login, and then you're rerouted back to the home page still logged out?

[signal pelican]

yup

[rugged abyss]

The model is called Preview, its released

[echo dome]

i know but what does qwen 3.6 plus do

[rugged abyss]

What do you mean what does it do, output text

[signal pelican]

it does Plus things.

[echo dome]

what about coding?

[signal pelican]

plus plus

[echo dome]

ok

[rigid copper]

wait...what????!!

[signal pelican]

yeah... I pretty much gave up on using Arena

[rigid copper]

what exactly is happening in arena.ai lol? claude opus still send responses despite "Something went wrong" and "rate limit" error, lol

[signal pelican]

I think their webmasters are just vibecoding at this point.

[echo dome]

but where i can get this model

i can't see it

[rugged abyss]

openrouter for example

[echo dome]

what about lmarena?

[rugged abyss]

I think its still preliminary

or soon to be released

[echo dome]

oh

[signal pelican]

amazing... people are still trying to use the AI in here.

[rugged abyss]

but its free on openrouter to my knowledge

[signal pelican]

Midjourney pretty much ruined it for all of us.

[echo aurora]

Can you fill out this form and ping me when done?

[signal pelican]

what would be the point? Didn't you already spoke the devs about it 2 months ago?

[echo aurora]

This strange, what happens if you hard refresh the page?

[signal pelican]

I don't blame ya for trying to help but I've accepted the fact that they can't fix it.

[echo aurora]

So I can bump the issue with your account specifically

[signal pelican]

yeah, didn't you do that before?

[echo aurora]

I can do it again

[signal pelican]

do you have a different team or something?

yeah... I've already moved on.

I pretty much just lurk here for leaderboard updates

[echo aurora]

No, same team. But bumping can help.

[echo aurora]

That's a shame to hear. I wouldn't want to pressure you into something you don't want to do, but I do want to try and get this account issue resolved.

[sullen creek]

why do yall complain about something thats free

[echo aurora]

When things aren't working as they should, that's a valid thing to be upset about.

[cold steeple]

you are sure it doesnt run at your local machine right? because it sometimes feels like so plus along with sometimes it works if it wants to work

[muted flower]

hey I have a question. Are models on Arena legit? If so how are they providing it for free?

[supple vector]

Companies fund arena to show their models off ig

Like Gemini is really top on the leaderboard and Google likes that

[frosty lava]

look at how qwen 3.6 is fast

its so satisfying

[cloud zinc]

sd2 out nice

[frosty lava]

this is the only thing i don't like in arena coding:

they can't show properly their skills if they have to reduce the complexity

due to the memory limit

it also change leaderboard

imagine a very good model but everytime someone ask it to do something it hit the memory limit and then give you a bad result

it'll be low in the leaderboard compared to model that do smaller work

[storm dust]

gemma 4??

[rugged abyss]

Gemma actually outstanding for its size

[echo dome]

gemma 4?

never heard of this

[royal sail]

Gemma 4 just dropped today

[rugged abyss]

Gemma are googles opensource models

[pale obsidian]

lmao what are these results

[echo dome]

it gonna be same as gemini or gemma 4 is idk?

(don't blame me cuz i use models that i know)

[errant geode]

No Gemma is different from Gemini, it is a different model with by far less parameters

[echo dome]

i wonder if google gonna release gemma search?

[rugged abyss]

Gemma is for small devices usually, made for integration on Edge devices

[echo dome]

and nothing else?

[rugged abyss]

hold on

https://deepmind.google/models/gemma/

Just check this, they have specialized ones

[errant geode]

Not only, Gemma 4 is actually top 3 right now overall among open weights

[wicked sage]

skibid..

[echo aurora]

Yeah they're the models provided via their APIs. We have a product for AI evaluations, you can learn more here: https://arena.ai/blog/ai-evaluations/

[wicked sage]

how the HELL did qwen 3.6 plus get in the top 10 for code arena

thats insane

[echo dome]

Multimodal reasoning
Develop applications with strong audio and visual understanding, for rich multimodal support.

[wicked sage]

just to be reminded, qwen makes their models opensource, right?

[rugged abyss]

Honestly insane, I hope google can finally start improving their coding

[wicked sage]

wait no

thats not the right questi

[plucky sparrow]

where is qwen 3.6 plus on text arena 🥲

[wicked sage]

Dead.

im p sure you can check for yourself

[sour spear]

Gemma4!? 🤯🎉

[plucky sparrow]

i take it you don't like it much? 😄

[wicked sage]

honestly i kind of like it

but if you want speed just.. use step 3.5 flash (free)

[plucky sparrow]

looking for accuracy/intelligence > speed

wow qwen3.6-plus beat glm-5

but apparently it's proprietary

so booo 😄

if it's proprietary, it's way behind the others

[wicked sage]

wait qwen code exists??

https://github.com/QwenLM/qwen-code

[plucky sparrow]

except maybe mistrl 😄

i tried it yesterday, no qwen3.6 🙁

at least not free 😄

and prior to 3.6, it was the worse of the 4 coding harnesses i've used (qwen-code with qwen3.5 coder vs opencode with Big Pickle, vs claude code, vs codex)

[rugged abyss]

https://openrouter.ai/qwen/qwen3.6-plus:free

[plucky sparrow]

yeah, which is why i'm disapopinted qwen-code doesn't have it

are they even trying?

[wicked sage]

when is pineapple adding gpt o1 pro 🎉 😊

[wicked sage]

be patient or smth

[rugged abyss]

isnt o1 like 2 years old

[wicked sage]

maybe they didnt have time?

[wicked sage]

yes

and really exmepsnive

idk why i even said that

[rugged abyss]

Does OpenAI even serve that model anymore

[wicked sage]

isnt its output like 1m per 600 dollars

[plucky sparrow]

hope so, but it's a shame it's been on openrouter for a few days (afaik) and not their own harness

[wicked sage]

not sure

its in openrouter tho

https://openrouter.ai/openai/o1-pro

GPT 4 COSTS 60 DOLLARS PER 1M OUTPUT??

[storm dust]

bankruptcy hits hard with this one

🥀

[light siren]

yall I finally made the extension to fix most of arena's bugs

[echo aurora]

👀

[light siren]

hi

[echo aurora]

Tell us more

[light siren]

it fixes

1. Stuck Chats
2. Copy Button
3. Stuck Captcha
4. Skip Button disappearance (not yet tested but should work)

the 4 main bugs that has been bothering me personally

[storm dust]

what

[light siren]

hi

[storm dust]

O_O

hi

[light siren]

ikr

[storm dust]

you made that using arena?

[light siren]

no

I know html+js+css

its how I make websites

[storm dust]

nice

[light siren]

thanks

[storm dust]

so uhh

are you planning to release it to public?

i would really like to try it out

[light siren]

depends if arena would let me

@echo aurora would arena let me

[storm dust]

copy button also gets bugged too?

[light siren]

wdym

[storm dust]

i think you meant skip button

[light siren]

no thats separate

[storm dust]

idk

[light siren]

it's the annoying copy button being on the side of user messages

it instead changes it to be at the bottom of user messages

@echo aurora yall should hire me ngl

[echo aurora]

I'm not sure. I'd need to check with the team. Where can I learn more about this?

[light siren]

about the browser extension?

[echo aurora]

Yeah

[light siren]

in my dms :D.

[echo aurora]

My DMs are turned off, can you send one to @oak python

[light siren]

sure

[steel plaza]

I have got a little problem, even if I finish the Captcha in the required time, it tells me that : Trace ID : b4cffe1b-1a8b

pls

[echo aurora]

I believe this is a known bug, will check the ID and report to the team if not.

[steel plaza]

thanks

[light sleet]

Yo pineapple I fixed the bug in Shade u can try now and also, can u gimme your username in Shade

[cedar trellis]

how fix ?

[light sleet]

Video Arena currently doesn't support Direct Chat and Side By Side.

Only battle mode.

[cedar trellis]

Oh! ok

ty

[light sleet]

No problem

[steel plaza]

https://kakifonts-yxxx.arcada.app/

[drowsy gust]

@echo aurora

[steel plaza]

the website with which I created it : designarena.ai

[light siren]

@echo aurora ur sure anyone checks the modmail thing

[steel plaza]

it's just a web app

[echo aurora]

Yes, just working on a few different things right now, will get to your message when I cna.

[echo aurora]

Thanks, will keep you updated

[stray osprey]

is there a way to buy unlimited use of nano bannana pro on arena

[echo aurora]

Would you mind posting your question in #ask-here ?

[light siren]

kk

[stray osprey]

i did sorry im impatient asf

[echo aurora]

No problem

[light sleet]

Can u gimme ur username in it

I'll give u credits to try it out

[stray osprey]

do you know if this is a thing because i cant find a pricing page or is arena for ai research purposes

[echo aurora]

I'll keep you updated when I have more free time

[echo aurora]

We don't have a subscription to gain access to better rate limits

[white steppe]

Does anyone know if there is an IDE with free AI like the one in Arena.Ai?

[visual panther]

Ig no

[light sleet]

Kk, also u can reply with yes or no or js a number, Are u one of them?

[cedar trellis]

keep it that way 🙏 !!!

i am very thankfull to ur services

[muted heart]

yo @echo aurora if i provide trace id of my chat can you fix the token error?

[light siren]

he cant fix it pretty sure he can just tell u what it is

but I can fix it

:D.

[echo aurora]

If it's for the Session Token Limit error message, that's going to be working as intended.

[muted heart]

were your servers crashing before this? i'd say everything was going fine.

[echo aurora]

If it's the Something went wrong error message, then yes sharing that Trace ID in #1417174113092374689 would be helpful. With these I'm able to either tell you what the problem is, or file a bug ticket with our team for fixing.

[muted heart]

can you see the chat if i send it to you

[echo aurora]

I'd ask to not advertise your extension until I give you the okay. It's unclear to me if it's ToU breaking or not.

[light siren]

fine :(.

[muted heart]

just curious

[echo aurora]

I'm just looking at the reasons why the generation errored out.

The program I use doesn't show me specific prompts, just overall information on what is causing the error.

[muted heart]

i mean i guess the messages the ai gives is pretty long.

i think your 'session limit' should be more of a message count based. not on tokens otherwise this is why people are complaining

[light siren]

by chance did ur ai stop generating after tryna generate long amounts of text

[muted heart]

no. it just didnt let me prompt next time

[brisk turret]

Why the heck didn't arena test the smaller gemma models? Petition for arena to stop ignoring smaller models. It's not always about the trillion parameter overexpensive models

[light siren]

is it stuck generating forever

[brisk turret]

We want small models listed

[muted heart]

it used to be after i refreshed it during the error but now i stopped it and the chat isnt bricked anymore

[light siren]

right now you keep getting errors?

[muted heart]

the token limit error

[light siren]

what model

[muted heart]

i think they were already doing fine before this

[muted heart]

claude opus/sonnet 4.6

[light siren]

ohh

those have a limit by default

for everyone

[muted heart]

no i mean the chat session limit

[light siren]

yea that too

[muted heart]

u cant prompt it anymore

[light siren]

😭

I had an issue with it before which bricked my chat

[muted heart]

it ends way too soon

[rigid pasture]

I have a half-solution: create a new chat and send a message. When the “stop generating” button appears, go back to the old chat (the button will show up there to stop it). After stopping the old chat, try again...

[light siren]

is it good now or, like whats the current status

[muted heart]

people are still complaining

[rustic gale]

I wonder whether it holds for claude family of 4.5. I didn't notice a lot of difference between these once 4.6 rolled out 🙂

[muted heart]

they did nothing

[light siren]

eh, that does not happen for me also he's past the bricked chat issue I think

[light siren]

oh yea they do that they tend to publish broken features before making fixes to existing ones

it's just what they do :D.

[fiery gull]

Bro? Even I who don't do code I noticed a brutal difference in intelligence between 4.5 and 4.6

[rustic gale]

I haven't specified which areas interested me and what I was doing with 4.5. Plus, again, I just wondered whether the difference in access is significant, if present at all. 4.6 did not exist until a few months ago, and somehow you all coped, right 😄

[light siren]

this is why I made my extension, which I needa wait for pineapple man to approve 😔

[muted heart]

but if i were to provide the trace id could you or the team see what the chat is about?

[muted heart]

ooh what is it about

[rigid pasture]

Oh

[light siren]

it fixes a ton of bugs :D.

life is soo much brighter FINALLY being able to use arena.ai :D.

[muted heart]

how do you use it?

[echo aurora]

We are interested in including a wide range of models. If you have any specific ones you'd like to see, adding to #1372229840131985540 would be ideal.

[light siren]

I'll explain once pineapple man approves it 😔

[muted heart]

is it a chrome extension or a different site?

[light siren]

chrome+brave

I use brave

[muted heart]

how good is glm 5v turbo

[rigid pasture]

Will you post it on GitHub if it's released?

[light siren]

probably chrome webstore

[rigid pasture]

Ok

[light siren]

idk

[muted heart]

who else thinks claude's rate limits are terrible?

[light siren]

I mean, if only they had a choice

[muted heart]

yes their servers are booming

but even pro users are affected

[storm dust]

sonnet and haiku are still usable tho

[muted heart]

i thought claude was thriving

[storm dust]

at least

not like opus models

[muted heart]

nah the problem is actually sonnet

[storm dust]

wat

[muted heart]

i cant have sonnet generating a long paragraph without telling me to wait for 5 hours to generate another one

[storm dust]

btw liam tell me if there any news about the extension

[light siren]

awaiting approval from mister pineapple man :D.

[storm dust]

uhh

sorry i didnt understand what you meant

[muted heart]

i can only messsage it once before it tells me to wait for 5 hours

[storm dust]

5 hours?

i think you meant 10-60 mins?

no way it is 5 hours

[thorny schooner]

Honestly for me it looks like it usually just goes to 30 minutes every like five prompt

[rigid pasture]

Which model are you using?

[muted heart]

just why did they add this session limit? nothing wrong was going for them

[rustic gale]

Have you ever considered they may be millions of you junkies now instead of, like, hundreds of thousands a few months ago, lol

[thorny schooner]

Fair enough even if I personally have more issues with the context token limitation changes then time

[rigid pasture]

It’s always been there, they just made it more precise now... and from what I understand, some of those 'something went wrong' errors were actually token limits, but it just didn't say so before. But it's true that chats have shorter session limits now

[storm dust]

junkies 😢

[thorny schooner]

Shorter is a vast understatement but okay

[orchid olive]

i get the error 500 wt

[undone saffron]

Has anyone noticed that Gemini-3.1-pro-preview is getting dumber and dumber, and that they've increased the token limit per session?

[storm dust]

📉

[brisk turret]

Just look at the popularity of models on huggingface. The qwen 3.5 9b has 70% more downloads tham the 27b version, yet it's not listed on arena. You don't need polls to figure out what should be added next, just look at the numbers

Smaller models are far more cost effective. That is why they are often more useful than big bulky slow "frontier" models

You should simply look at huggingface to see what models people use most, and add those. Rather than go by polls in a sub-channel of an obscure discord with 7 total votes

[echo aurora]

Yeah that's a good idea. I think it's important we still hear from the community for what they're looking for. But yeah I do like your idea a lot.

[wicked sage]

NO WAY 🎉

[echo aurora]

WAY 🥳

[wicked sage]

https://tenor.com/view/skir-skir-skir-poland-polish-polska-peppa-gif-5062548413224726721

Thank you 🍍 ™ for Releasing!

[golden ocean]

are u saying that my claude opus 4.6 romance chats are public now

[echo aurora]

The team deserves the thanks

[wicked sage]

yes

[echo aurora]

For the ecosystem

[undone saffron]

The community has come up with many ideas, but it seems that only 2% of them are actually implemented
There are many great ideas that could improve the platform, but right now the priority is to implement restrictions/limits than community's ideas

[echo aurora]

We have a very capable team that’s thoughtful about how we prioritize our work. Our goal is to measure and advance the frontier of AI for real-world use, and we believe that brings meaningful value to our users. We understand that not everyone will agree with every decision we make, or the timelines it takes for these changes to be live.

[inner relic]

[storm dust]

[wild geyser]

hi

[wicked talon]

Is the website built or assisted by ai or do you not know, also do you think ai could take over website building?

[inland quest]

opuses are vaporized?

[civic plaza]

Opus just went poof

[whole sundial]

it's an experiment where some users don't have access to certain models (seems to be just opus for now) to test rate limits and gating models

https://help.arena.ai/articles/4522528471-certain-models-not-accessible-in-direct-or-side-by-side-modes

[inland quest]

bruh

[thorny schooner]

Honestly hasn't happened to me y at least I haven't notice when it does

[civic plaza]

I just noticed it suddenly used Max

[drowsy gust]

They are removing the moudle that you use emost from the user that cost them the most

That why when you enter another account it's there bec you don't use it as offen

They might make it up ban im future so no account switching will help

That my theory

They are trying to cut costs as I think

[whole sundial]

honestly the whole experiment system is stupid, we should be able to opt in and out of them. they are treating users like guinea pigs at this point, even though the whole point of arena is to treat people like guinea pigs, using their data to evaluate and train models (and sometimes releasing datasets to the community, also side note: arena please do another battle mode dataset release, i would like to see an image gen one as well, maybe make it a bit bigger. i later want to try to fine tune a small local model on part of one of your previous datasets to see if it improves the model)

[drowsy gust]

You already sold you soul and data when you clicked I accept terms and service

[inland quest]

beta.lmarena was existed

canaryarena is existing

[drowsy gust]

And they offer paid moudle for free

[inland quest]

why experiments is active on main site?

[wicked talon]

If you don't want your data being shared well it's best to pay £100,000 to get a supercomputer then host Kimi K2.5

[normal abyss]

to keep everything free their has to be some drawbacks, way better than paying months for premium AI models still

[wicked talon]

"free" doesn't exist

[whole sundial]

because not many people are using beta arena so I guess the best way to get feedback is to do experiments on unsuspecting people

[wicked talon]

You pay with your data

Google search etc harvests data and uses it for advertisements, however they don't sell it which ig is a good thing

And Microsoft but I believe they sell it

[thorny schooner]

Officially anyway

[wicked talon]

Well no your data is more valuable to them then selling it as they are an advertisement company

[thorny schooner]

It still counts as Financial free to be fair even if it's not actually free in the broader time

[whole sundial]

I do understand, I used to use arena a lot and to be fair very little data gets released, and it's not much different from normal chatbots like chatgpt where your data is automatically shared for training

[drowsy gust]

No company don't sell your data even games at this point the internet is cooked

[wicked talon]

True

[wicked talon]

Lmao every company uses your data

Most sell it

[drowsy gust]

All

[wicked talon]

It's in there tos

[wicked talon]

Nope not all

[normal abyss]

these days data protection is kind of a joke anyway, like even childrens games wanting your face and ID 😭

[drowsy gust]

They won't be sitting on free profit and not take it

[wicked talon]

Google doesn't sell your data as they value it more as giving it to competitors will put them at a disadvantage

[thorny schooner]

No offense I honestly don't have much trust in companies after all even if you somehow on Earth trust them t for whatever reason be real I think we all know there is going to be probably some idiot who accidentally makes it get stealed anyway

[wicked talon]

For there advertisements

[drowsy gust]

What's better than using millions of faces to train ai

[wicked talon]

Yup

Companies are evil

Just some less then others

[whole sundial]

it is part of using free ai services (and in fact most internet services, free or paid), you are paying with your data and at this point we have to live with it

[jolly narwhal]

wheres opus 4.6

?

[drowsy gust]

Gine

[wicked talon]

Or you try to break the system

[drowsy gust]

Anthropic shut down

They lost money

[wicked talon]

Poison your data etc

[drowsy gust]

Removed sadly

[wicked talon]

Anthropic ain't shutdown lmao

Ohh you mean the model on arena.ai?

[drowsy gust]

Yes

[wicked talon]

I thought you meant the company lol

[thorny schooner]

I honestly almost got a heart attack when I was about to get the infinite generation two chat in a row almost at the exact same prompt 😭

[drowsy gust]

Use the old opuse 4.5

It never lags

But worse

[jolly narwhal]

there’s no opus

[wicked talon]

They lose money anyway

[jolly narwhal]

all opus is gone

[wicked talon]

Arena.ai isn't profitable

[normal abyss]

for me its here?

[thorny schooner]

What is the difference between those six and five one anyway

[wicked talon]

Newer models with better data

[jolly narwhal]

i dare you to reset ur website

try using it

[thorny schooner]

I already tried it still here for me even hard reset

[jolly narwhal]

where the hell did it go bro

i don’t have it

[normal abyss]

still their

[whole sundial]

in my opinion anthropic is the least likely of the 3 major us ai-only companies (anthropic, openai, and xai) to go bankrupt due to spending nothing on things like image and video gen and most people that use claude pay for it, mainly for coding, and their api costs are expensive (google and microsoft don't count as they have other things that subsidize their ai costs)

[thorny schooner]

I think you just got hit with a random experiment

[wicked talon]

Yeah don't say this

You can be banned

[thorny schooner]

And of course for some reason that chat still made it go into rate limit despite not generating anything 🥲

[sterile tartan]

I agree

[whole sundial]

which is also btw why arena pulled opus first, it is the most expensive model they offer ($25 per million output tokens for 4.5 and 4.6, $75 per million for 4.0 and 4.1)

[wicked talon]

Lmao 75 per million???

[jolly narwhal]

where

is

OPUS

[sterile tartan]

Yeah Precisely

[storm dust]

opus said bye bye

[wicked talon]

Even gpt 5.4 high is 1.5x ~ cheaper

[normal abyss]

is claude rly gone for some ppl, check this?

[whole sundial]

yeah, they must've greatly reduced the price to get people to use it, i expect claude 5.0 mythos to be the same or similar price

[sterile tartan]

Np is there

[ancient gyro]

Press F for Opus

[sterile tartan]

Old Models just were Expensive

Newer Models are More Efficient

[jolly narwhal]

is anybody gonna ACTUALLY tell me how to get opus

[wicked talon]

Isn't qwen like pennies per million?

[jolly narwhal]

?

[drowsy gust]

Mythos will be in 2027

Or older

[normal abyss]

try a diffrent web browser

[wicked talon]

It's gone till further notice.

[drowsy gust]

Use different account buts against rules I warned you

[wicked talon]

They removed it for being too expensive I believe

@echo aurora can you confirm this?

[normal abyss]

claude opus is 100% here im using it rn

[whole sundial]

gpt pro models are more expensive than old opus, which is why arena never had them

[drowsy gust]

I say they add ads and remove limits

[whole sundial]

some people have it, some don't

[wicked talon]

Thing is arena.ai isn't profitable

[sterile tartan]

What are the rate limits btw?

[normal abyss]

5

[wicked talon]

And they will likely be sued if they try to profit without licenses

[ancient gyro]

How??

[sterile tartan]

Per hour?

[normal abyss]

yeah

[sterile tartan]

💀

[drowsy gust]

Exactly I say they ads for evry message that will genrate tons of money

They have 5m users

[jolly narwhal]

the fact there’s better models then claude opus

[normal abyss]

claude opus isnt for general chats though, for me, its for 5 very well thought awnsers

[jolly narwhal]

and they aren’t limited

is creZy

[wicked talon]

Wait I have opus

They haven't took it away

Fresh login on my main account

[sterile tartan]

Yup

[whole sundial]

they live off of their vc money and the fact major labs are paying them to have their models evaluated on arena, yupp died because they had much less vc money and less major models tested (and the fact they gave money away to users who used it enough and cashed out their credits)

[normal abyss]

why do i have the feeling that half the people not having claude opus is a part of an experiment 😭

[jolly narwhal]

i logged in on my main

it’s gone

[ancient gyro]

GPT 9? Gemini 15? Deepseek 1922?

[normal abyss]

region maybe???? try vpn to the UK

[jolly narwhal]

@everyone WHAT HAPENNED TO ARENA.Ai CLAUDE OPUSv

[whole sundial]

you may get opus if you make another account, but this may not work so you may have to make a few accounts

[sterile tartan]

💀

I wonder how much 5 prompts per hour can do with Opus

[thorny schooner]

....... I hate this I genuine hate this two chats in a row

[storm dust]

bro chill out

it is also gone for me too

[normal abyss]

is your reigion in the UK???

[storm dust]

just use claude sonnet 4.6

it is also good

[storm dust]

no?

[whole sundial]

let me try my arena accounts rq, haven't used arena recently

[normal abyss]

my theory is that some places maybe dont have access to it now, im probbaly wrong but id try a VPN

[thorny schooner]

Of course of course context had to make this to happen when I reset my browser

[jolly narwhal]

reasons why i’m NOT using claude sonnet- to restricted- thinks it’s smarter then you- littearly refuses to make anything accusing you of murder

[sterile tartan]

Test Qwen 3.6 Plus

[wicked talon]

😮

[normal abyss]

that would be cool 😭

[whole sundial]

my main account doesn't have opus, my alt does

[sterile tartan]

That's Odd

[wicked talon]

Why do I have opus 4.7

[thorny schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-monkey-gif-21553825

[normal abyss]

oh it is accounts

[jolly narwhal]

fake type shittt

WAIT NO WAY

ITS REAL

[wicked talon]

Ikr

Bruh I needa try this

What should I code

[normal abyss]

nada

[wicked talon]

LMAO

Where's your opus 4.7

I thought it publicly released

[thorny schooner]

Might be account base or rolling out cuz it's not appearing on mine

[storm dust]

bro's trying to trick us

[thorny schooner]

Won't be surprised

[wicked talon]

Bro I just tricked 2 people 😭

[normal abyss]

im not worthy of the power

[wicked talon]

Y'all are so gullible

[thorny schooner]

I mean does it really count as surprising when you just casually look don't really think about it i mean if you got me to look at it sure but honestly not really much reaction lol

[wicked talon]

Orginal btw

[sterile tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/akkubaba007-jerry-laugh-akku-fav-gif-gif-16150872697915744919

[jolly narwhal]

anybody have 4 dollas and 7 cents

?

[thorny schooner]

no

[wicked talon]

Mee

[jolly narwhal]

lowkey need it frfr

[normal abyss]

i thought it was just inspect element 😭

[thorny schooner]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bugs-bunny-bunny-1

[wicked talon]

Nuh uh

[wicked talon]

Lmao that could of worked

[normal abyss]

claude opus 5 will be the real kicker

[wicked talon]

Asking ai was easier though

[sterile tartan]

Mythos comes before it

[whole sundial]

honestly they may never make an opus 4.7, they could but mythos 5.0 is coming in a few weeks after cybersecurity and safety testing and opus 5.0 should come not long after that

[normal abyss]

one thing i like about new strong claude models is they dont release temporalily good, and nerf to massive levels later on

[jolly narwhal]

what is my this

what’s mythos

[storm dust]

mythos will come in 2030

[sterile tartan]

Opus 5 should be cheaper

[storm dust]

claude's brother

[thorny schooner]

I honestly hate how communication tight they are when it comes to development because God damn they honestly should have come up with something replace this this year when it comes to tokens dude they have like three suggestions already don't they not from the community

[whole sundial]

it is a model that got some stuff about it accidentally leaked a week ago, it is a new tier above opus and supposedly it is very powerful, so powerful it is raising new concerns internally about its safety (anthropic's goal is to make safe ai products (safe as in safe from nsfw content and safe as in that it won't harm people))

[burnt pulsar]

Taking Opus away showed me how dependant I've become on this model. 🙂

[sterile tartan]

The Rumours say is about 500$-1000$ for Million Tokens

[storm dust]

💀

rip wallet

[sterile tartan]

Mythos is very compute hungry

My theory is claude is on Compute Shortage because of its testing

[burnt pulsar]

Didn't they lose some data centers in the middle east already?

that might contribute to the compute shortage

[storm dust]

😯

[normal abyss]

forget sonnet 5, check out claude opus 6 💪

[storm dust]

👍

[thorny schooner]

lmao

i'm sorry I just had to stop myself from laughing when I read that since I was just doing a chat how about role-Playing / making of a country in the Middle East on claude lmao]

[peak relic]

best model i get right now is sonnet

no opus in sight

[sterile tartan]

What are sonnet rate limits btw?

[peak relic]

I think they must be higher than opus, at least 1.5x for sure

[jaunty mist]

slop experiment

[sterile tartan]

That would be about 8 Prompts per hour

[sterile thistle]

Will we get the claude 4.6 opus back, or not?

[thorny schooner]

I again weird for me they still exist

[sterile tartan]

Is not gone

[jaunty mist]

log into different account

[whole sundial]

hmm...

[storm dust]

NO WAY

😯

[thorny schooner]

What is the even the difference between thinking and Ultra thinking?

[storm dust]

i think ultra thinking means that the ai thinks about its thinking

💀

[thorny schooner]

I hate and love how that explains everything and nothing at the same time

[storm dust]

once you press that model your wallet is done you dont even have to chat for your wallet to get empty...

[thorny schooner]

God damn took way too much tries to get hate to register properly on speak to text

lol

[signal robin]

So we're getting opus back eventually right....right?

[storm dust]

📉

[undone saffron]

If they add it to Arena, it would only be available to users who signed up with an email address, but those who signed up early using a Google account won't have access to it

[ashen grove]

Does arena support api keys?

[undone saffron]

No

[whole sundial]

it will use a million tokens for a simple hello, don't worry though the tps is very high due to using google tpus

[whole sundial]

hopefully they get enough feedback saying that nobody wants or likes having opus taken away because if they take opus away, what's next? nano banana pro? gpt image 1.5?

[storm dust]

Bombastic_Sideye

[whole sundial]

this experiment allows arena to take away any model from any (or all) users for any (or no) reason

[hazy marlin]

wan 2.7 just dropped

[copper oar]

im crine, they taking away models😭

[storm dust]

📉

[whole sundial]

seems to be image gen only for now, it's pretty impressive though (will post this in #ai-creations too)

[hazy marlin]

yessir wonder how their video gen gonna be

kinda silly not even 2.5 is open source yet

[whole sundial]

hopefully one of them will be, their most recent event they had for qwen mentioned having more open source wan models in the future

[hazy marlin]

honestly thats the only good thing they are at otherwise nobody choosing their models over sora veo or kling etc

[whole sundial]

yeah ltx and hunyuan are giving pretty tough competition to wan for open source currently, alibaba needs to strike back or wan will lose its niche, they are only winning in terms of small local video models but kandinsky is competing pretty hard there as well

i don't use that reddit account much anymore lol except for browsing (i saw that btw, i have message logger)

[stuck lily]

Hello

I am here for video creation

[hardy lion]

hi! Video creation is available on the website now: https://arena.ai/video

[heavy blaze]

@echo aurora

PINEAPPLE.

WHERE THE HELL DID THE CLAUDE OPUS FAMALY GO. ITS JUST SONET AND THAT ONE HAIKU MODEL NOW

[undone saffron]

Here's your answer: #1487734609851449374 message

[heavy blaze]

why is it always claude opus

[echo aurora]

Hey @heavy blaze I'll be sharing an announcement in a bit with more information.

[whole sundial]

btw guys i did make a feedback thread here (https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1489394191435042996) for arena

[undone saffron]

If you want to use Opus, you'll need to use an account created with email

[thorny schooner]

https://klipy.com/gifs/doubt-press-x-3

[thorny schooner]

Again weird for me since I made both account by Google not emai l i can still see it

[undone saffron]

Sonnet only

[whole sundial]

that makes no sense, i have 2 accounts made with google oauth and one has it and the other doesn't

[thorny schooner]

Can still see it

lol

Anyway hope you all are doing good

[whole sundial]

seems to be just opus for now, no other models in any modality are affected

[analog aspen]

@shy mason what did i miss?

[main nexus]

What happend to opus

??

[main nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/ahem-shit-loser-seriously-gif-5731140

[west lodge]

huh?

did opus 4.6 search get removed?

oh

guess the well finally dried up

[undone saffron]

#1487734609851449374 message

[icy ice]

what do you do when a long response gets interrupted by - Something went wrong with this response, please try again.

is there any way to tell it to continue from where it left off or is it al lost? it was generating a bunch of files and I dont want to lose the woerk

[fervent silo]

I have the same problem T_T

[echo aurora]

Whenever you come across the Something went wrong error message I’d recommend the steps outlined in [this message](#1417174113092374689 message). Since you mentioned a long response this makes me think it's generating/thinking for more than ~10 minutes, which is what the cap is currently at. Sorry to say there isn't a way for the model to pickup where it left off. I'd recommend trying to reduce the expected response of the output.

We are working on expanding this timeout limit. I wouldn't be able to share when to expect it, but we are putting effort into it. cc @fervent silo

[rigid copper]

this happen when i have 2 active chat session with same model and yeah i using it too much, don't worry, hard refreshing fixed it.

[undone saffron]

Nice
Opus has now been completely removed, regardless of the account type

[keen sky]

like for all my friend

[undone saffron]

The funny thing is that the model replied to me 6 minutes ago

[thorny schooner]

Unfortunate time when I was trying to use them but fair enough in this cas

https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1343296395620126911

[undone saffron]

Well, time to use kaggle to run AIs locally

[thorny schooner]

At least you could do that I can't cuz Chromebook sucks for that type of stuff 🥲

[dim ivy]

...

[sharp mirage]

Hi there

[undone saffron]

The AI runs on a kaggle server instance
I don't mean literally on your local disk

[normal abyss]

so we still get opus 4.5 and downward?

[undone saffron]

Yes
There will be more I guess

[proud bobcat]

Well there goes the main models I use

Oh well sonnet is still fire and I like Kimi

[normal abyss]

for gemini 3.1 google ai studio is pretty decent

[echo aurora]

Correct, it's just the models being mentioned in that announcement for now. I'll be sure to provide further updates.

[proud bobcat]

Arena ai is OVERRE

Billions must use Yupp

[toxic whale]

I predicted like 2 days ago they will start removing models cuz it's too expensive

[proud bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/swagger-billions-must-die-chud-wojak-soyjak-gif-9373396409961113206

[heavy blaze]

the hell is Yupp

[toxic whale]

It makes sense tho I would of done the same

[proud bobcat]

It’s like arena ai but

Worse

[normal abyss]

to be fair we have had the most premium models since 2023 on here, thats a long run but it deffinetly cant last forever

[dim ivy]

Will shut down, they told it.

[undone saffron]

$

[shrewd citrus]

I still have access for some reason

[toxic whale]

Only thing left in direct will be very small models and battle mode will be more of a priority

[proud bobcat]

Oh wait deadass

[whole sundial]

it was a site like lmarena, it was a bit different and worse but it was popular too, they just shut it down

[whole sundial]

clarification on your announcement: are gemini 3.1 flash image (nano banana 2) and 3.1 flash lite going away too?

[heavy blaze]

im geussing its either money, or the models not running reliably. ima hope for the 2nd option

[icy ice]

well for poor people arena.ai was probably the only way to run premiere models for free. opus and gpt-5.3 are fantastic. i understand they have to survive, prob anthropic cut them off?

[dim ivy]

Man I can't no more with all this happening

[mossy cobalt]

this was the last enshittification i tolerated. 1.7$ billion evaluation and then this. you were once the cool guys

[heavy blaze]

and it would make sense since CLAUDE RUNS ON A COIN FLIP

[whole sundial]

i assume it's just pro, but the way you phrased it suggests both of these could go away too

[mossy cobalt]

not coming back

[toxic whale]

It's money these models are too expensive

[dim ivy]

Ilimited AI won't be real at this moment

[heavy blaze]

damn

[shrewd citrus]

wdym not coming back it’s not like yoh paid for it bro 😂

[heavy blaze]

its always money

always.

[whole sundial]

also similar thing with gpt 5.4, are mini and nano going away too?

[toxic whale]

You can still use Gemini 3.1 for free and sonnet is good too and free in arena

[heavy blaze]

i know, but still

damn

[mossy cobalt]

you are always paying and if you dont pay with cash you pay with something else (in this case data)

[sand fulcrum]

wtf how

[thorny schooner]

I'm kind of annoyed on to that every time someone mentions about free AI someone else replies about repaying with something else I'm pretty damn sure everyone else is aware like it does not need to be stated again

[heavy blaze]

money cant buy happiness. said some people. they were wrong, in my opnion

[toxic whale]

@echo aurora are we getting sonnet 4.6 thinking in direct mode? It never came out but 4.5 has thinking

[shrewd citrus]

idk guess I got spared

[whole sundial]

welcome to 1984: you must accept the anti-user changes, you can't say no and you can't disagree

[heavy blaze]

you need money just to live

[heavy blaze]

agreed

[dim ivy]

Even with money all these comapanies will use your data to train it, they all are american companies.

[vague solar]

me too

[sand fulcrum]

nono fr, how do you got access

[heavy blaze]

this is a path we are going down, and us people cant do nothing about it.

[vague solar]

im not gonna refresh my page

[sand fulcrum]

refresh it

[heavy blaze]

there is no happy ending.

[sand fulcrum]

just in case if if its still there

[shrewd citrus]

deadass I got no clue bro I genuinely think they spared me 😭

[main nexus]

April fools was yesterday btw 😂

[toxic whale]

Bro it's expensive ai models calm down

[vague solar]

if i refresh it it might dissapear

[sand fulcrum]

i refreshed it

[heavy blaze]

im just pissed theise models have to be so expensive in the first place

[rigid pasture]

It's normal for me.

[sand fulcrum]

before i log in, the opus 4.6 was there

[sharp mirage]

Hi

There

[normal abyss]

are these numbers correct??? because sonnet is more expensive???

[toxic whale]

Soon there will be $1000 per Million output models

[sand fulcrum]

yeah see, its here

[sharp mirage]

What

Hell nah

[sand fulcrum]

plus, you cant even delete your account

[toxic whale]

For upto 200K.is key

[vague solar]

okay its still there

[normal abyss]

ah yeah

[sand fulcrum]

yup

[main nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/67-6767-676767-cat67-cat-gif-18345003009543756801

[toxic whale]

100%

[sand fulcrum]

i think its the bug

[heavy blaze]

sad

just sad

[sharp mirage]

Bruh

Just buy the max plan 🙂

[shrewd citrus]

Tbf I hardly use those models anyway since I always use the web search models

[sand fulcrum]

oh the opus is gone

sad

[toxic whale]

Like even o1 pro was $600 per m out which is crazy

[sharp mirage]

Search models are good ngl

[heavy blaze]

some people dont have the money for it

[icy ice]

what really bugs me is every sigle youtuber just assuming you have a $200 max plan. no one ever talks about cheaper options

[shrewd citrus]

the only time I use the normal models is really for coding or for like “look at this image”

[toxic whale]

Jensen confirmed there will be these models soon and I'm assuming Gemini deep think so close to that too

[sharp mirage]

I dont the money also

[sharp mirage]

I made an app from the search model

Android app

[obsidian cargo]

Over this past week, my hard drive got fried, we had to euthanize my cat, and now we've lost Claude opus in direct and side by side.

[dim ivy]

We all don't care about gemini cuz there's aistudio for that.

[icy ice]

gpt, opus, gemini all have $200 tier for any decent work, i mean no one uses gemini but still

[dim ivy]

And gemini 3.1 pro high is still in arena.ai

[toxic whale]

Ai studio limits for 3.1 pro aren't unlimited

[dim ivy]

Less you want to use gemini cli or antigravity a lot.

[icy ice]

meanwhile these companies are crashing the market and causing massive layoffs

[livid oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-meep-low-cortisol-dance-chibi-gif-17107758709618840273

[sharp mirage]

Any good cli ?

[dim ivy]

I never got to the limit.

[sharp mirage]

On ?

Google ai studio?

[dim ivy]

yeah

[toxic whale]

It's not very high I'm guessing around 20 messages a day

[dim ivy]

opencode with the free api in openrouter of qwen 3.6

plus*

[sharp mirage]

Hmmm ig

But its limted

[undone saffron]

"anti-user changes"
Lol

[dim ivy]

When 3.5 came I heard it was 40 request per minute.

Idk how is now.