general

[surreal zephyr]

atleast

[toxic verge]

That’s so crazy dude to hear that

[surreal zephyr]

gemini doesnt want to say anything harmful

[toxic verge]

Sometimes I feel like I’m in the twilight zone

[surreal zephyr]

gemini is like "im racist but i cant admit it"

[next thistle]

I thing I will shift with CumfyUI
I don't about nodes.. but hope it will not heavy for my PC.

[toxic verge]

But you know what guys

We never know, cause we can never discuss these topics or raising these concerns by showing some of the content

[surreal zephyr]

i want llm that can play minecraft

[toxic verge]

On any platform, so we’re always gonna be in the dark

And the world will truly never know

[surreal zephyr]

https://giphy.com/gifs/brainrot-patar-patarlegend-qrdf8B7zFe1atyCxpD

[next thistle]

Wan 2.2

[toxic verge]

Sometimes I just wanna expose the nonsense. I really do.

Just release a treasure trove full of…

How backwards all these models really are

[surreal zephyr]

backwards?

[toxic verge]

Like their dark side

[next thistle]

World war 3 with AI growing.

[surreal zephyr]

ai is trained to "find patterns"

and uhh you can guess what that leads to

[next thistle]

Arena is good, but why only 3 time free??
MLArena was 5 time giving chance. 😅

[surreal zephyr]

3?

[next thistle]

Yes! 3 times only generating video, then wait for next day.

[toxic verge]

Gemini super racist, dude

Like bad lol

[surreal zephyr]

lol

[next thistle]

Gemini doing business

[surreal zephyr]

dm fr

[toxic verge]

I don’t understand how they even release this like this

[next thistle]

Gemini also giving chance 3 times only, Not 5 times now.

[toxic verge]

Like it’s so easily swayed, especially the flash model

[surreal zephyr]

video?

was always 3

[surreal zephyr]

the flash model is weak,

can u dm me the full conversation tho

cuz you censored almost whole

[next thistle]

Yes, but only on pro subscription.

[next thistle]

5 times

Per day

When you join Gemini for video generation? 🙄

[weak dagger]

[FALSE ALARM]

[next thistle]

Kling not working on India. 3rd party will use for it.

[next thistle]

Hmm.. i think that time i was using mira and arena,
That why i'm confusing. 5 or 3.

[toxic verge]

You’re not really sucks there’s really no place to report any of this kind of content

And the companies don’t really have an incentive to fix it until they public backlash or something bad happens

It’s actually pretty alarming lol

[next thistle]

API

[toxic verge]

They even removed the jailbreaking community off Reddit

Got too big

[next thistle]

Wan, Qwen, Kling, Veo, Grok
API

[toxic verge]

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/dutch-court-orders-xai-grok-not-create-distribute-nonconsensual-sex-images-2026-03-26/

[next thistle]

🤔

[toxic verge]

You see this

AMSTERDAM, March 26 (Reuters) - A Dutch court on ‌Thursday ordered Elon Musk's xAI and chatbot Grok not to generate and distribute sexualized images of people without their consent in the Netherlands.
The decision in a civil suit is one of the ​first times a judge has weighed in on xAI's responsibility for creating ​tools that can be used to create sexualized images, amid a flood ⁠of complaints and investigations over Grok in the Americas, Europe, Asia and Australia.

That’s crazy

[next thistle]

I was not know about that 😅

[toxic verge]

Elon Musk says he’s doubling down but that’s a lie

Because if you go to the grok Reddit

People are saying RIP lmao

[next thistle]

It's NSWP law maybe..

[toxic verge]

Well, I always knew this would happen. I knew that people would not be responsible.

It would be ridiculous to think that people would use to responsibly

[next thistle]

Grok will finished 😂

[toxic verge]

I blamed the public just as much as I blamed the company

Bro, look at some of these memes on the grok reddit

[next thistle]

I think i will shift with comfyUI

[toxic verge]

Completely roasting it

And this was the most uncensored AI for a video generations allegedly

How do you guys feel about that?

[half mist]

Dang, the Copilot Discord is locked down. It requires them to manually accept invite requests just to join the server

[next thistle]

Ohh

[toxic verge]

Look at this dude these are hilarious

Oh my gosh, I’m cracking up. I love this Reddit.

😂😂😂😂

[next thistle]

Alan Musk will be super Happy for it

[toxic verge]

Man, it’s so incredible to see how censorship just completely kill some of these platforms

[next thistle]

Meta is sucks for video generation

[toxic verge]

Look at this bro, where do people come up with this?

🤣🤣

[glossy umbra]

the reaper is bills, tax and fear

[next thistle]

I was generate on whatsapp AI that time.
Then it will become meta. Bakwas!!

[next thistle]

Hahaha...

[toxic verge]

🤣🤣🤣

I hope you guys find this hilarious cause it really is incredibly funny

They’re just a lot of irony here

[next thistle]

Who? Where? How? Hahaha...

[toxic verge]

This is just incredible to see

And because of the regulation, he’s gonna have no choice, but to make it safe, which is automatically gonna mean more censorship or moderation

And the users know it they feel it

And kill some of these platforms

[next thistle]

LOL Super Grok

🤣 🤣 🤣

[next thistle]

Yes!

[toxic verge]

You need a super backward country that has strong privacy laws

That is not affiliated with the five eyes or Chinese or Russian government influence

And I don’t think a country like that exist

Maybe Afghanistan

That’s the desert in building data centers there they hardly have infrastructure so that wouldn’t work

[next thistle]

But world war coming soon when north korea start action mode.

[toxic verge]

The only way to make it non-biased

[next thistle]

All AI down with the war

[toxic verge]

I’m telling you, dude AI has this like weird quasi religious aspect to it

Vast invisible in all knowing

What does that describe?

[next thistle]

It is being used primarily by Indian people to propagate religiosity. That is why this is happening.

[toxic verge]

Sound like a broken record I keep preaching the same thing

I just see the absurdity and like the humor in all of this

It’s really hard to express an articulate how ridiculous it is

It really exposes human vulnerability at its finest because all it takes is a machine to replicate language in words and we lose our cool 😂

[next thistle]

I also generated a video of the Sun. He is riding in a chariot, touring the sky. It was something like that.

[next thistle]

I agree with it.

58% something, people are using AI from India, so thinks about it. How it will works. 😅

I'm talking about In the world.

Crypto??

Haen? Deleted??

Venos gone?

[oak spade]

I've been asking the models to create me a code , but this is taking more than an hour and it's not ready. Should I interrupt and restart or keep waiting ?

[echo aurora]

is taking more than an hour
Yeah that sounds like you've gotten the infinite generation bug. I'd recommend stopping it.

[toxic verge]

What makes you say it’s so high of a percentage

New image model out

phota

https://www.forbes.com/sites/the-prompt/2025/09/17/this-ai-startup-makes-your-iphone-pictures-look-professional/

On fal

https://www.photalabs.com/

[vapid holly]

"Ai-Expert" whilst having the most obvious ai pfp to man. If you're so much of an expert how you cant make a prompt good enough to not make it seem like Ai 🤔

[toxic verge]

Wow I think you misunderstood what you were saying

[sour spear]

Dude you need to stop doing drugs asap

[echo aurora]

Gentle reminder on one of our server rules:

✅ Treat others with Respect. Be kind, assume good intent from others, and keep disagreements respectful. It’s encouraged to share your disagreements, but only if it’s done in a respectful and productive way.

[loud herald]

@native yarrow

[native yarrow]

wut.,,.,

[loud herald]

DMs little guy

[native yarrow]

don't bully me

[harsh pasture]

43570baf-66c4

[oak spade]

@echo aurora how long is a reasonable time to wait till a code is concluded or cancel a code generation ? Some models are faster , others take forever ...

[echo aurora]

You'll want to add this to this article.

[echo aurora]

Max 10-13 minutes.

Anything past that it'll either error out, or you've hit the infinite generation bug.

[novel crater]

😨

what is 1.5 pro

dang only a year ago

guess it makes sense

but eesh

[stray tusk]

My Prompt

1st
(Alternative History for Leader and Commander Simulator)

Name:
Age:
Gender:
Country:
Background:
Allegiance/Faction:
Current Position:
Unit/Command:
Political Party/Ideology/Movement:
Political Coalition:
Other political affiliations:
Main Priority:
Start Date:

PERSONAL STATUS
Health:
Stress:
Reputation:
Popularity (Public):
Popularity (Military):

Generate a new leader, politician, officer and commander (Background, Allegiance/Faction, Current Position, Unit/Command, Other political
affiliations, Political Party/Ideology/Movement, Political Coalition and Main Priority is 200 character limit)

2nd
(I started for Alternative History for Leader and Commander Simulator with Life Simulation, next turn for next months, What are your orders and your decisions is 1A, 2A, 3A, 4A)

[plucky fractal]

gemini 3.1 pro grounding loop is hilarious

[sullen sable]

👍

[long siren]

@echo aurora Are you in real life pineapple too? And BTW pls ban him

[plucky fractal]

@mystic basalt scammer!!!!

[long siren]

No he is a man with wisdom

[novel spade]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[long siren]

Guys is gemini 3.1 pro etc models in ai studio (without api) nerfed compared to in lmarena?

[zinc heron]

tf

[opal osprey]

oh cmon

[cold oxide]

Why is grok 4.1 not responding?

[long siren]

His choice 🙂

[cold oxide]

😑

[magic imp]

No no bro is 5 time today too let me explain you...... It's like 3 time you can generate image to video and 2 time you can edit that video (video to video )

[magic imp]

Never 😂😭

[lean jacinth]

meow

[toxic verge]

It’s.

🤣

[fringe jackal]

how to crate video

[hardy lion]

https://arena.ai/video

[cold oxide]

Does anyone have any issues with grok 4.1 ? Lmk please

[deft spruce]

ok i found the input TOKEN limit THEY ADJUST to 500K token

[jade dew]

Hi everyone

[storm dust]

what is this arena champion role?

how do people have it?

[steel shadow]

what on earth is wrong with gemini 3.1 flash image now?

I have to hit redo no less than 10 times in order to get a result on image editing

[brittle hollow]

Is it just me or im unable to paste?

[quasi citrus]

i wish there was a vscode plugin for arena. it would be really cool

[lucid frost]

@echo aurora Everything finally got back to normal a few hours later. But thank you for taking my problem seriously 😊

[golden ocean]

how is claude search beating gemini

cwaude my beloved

[magic imp]

Bro is....sora is permanently shutdown and if yes then why..?

[surreal zephyr]

because they need more compute to improve 5.5o more

[maiden crest]

Masters, which is better for 3D animations. Veo or Grok?

[magic imp]

Grok

[toxic verge]

Cause Gemini is cheap

It does just enough to get by

Man, I don’t know how it went from being really, really good to where it’s at now

[obtuse smelt]

Something went wrong with this response, please try again.
Trace ID: 1b72be95-b8af
hmm what is this

[magic imp]

In which modal ??

[obtuse smelt]

hmm all models

[lavish lantern]

me too having ths

[surreal zephyr]

this is claude sponsored leaderboard what do u expect

[glass zealot]

when will they fix something went wrong error 😿

arena.ai UX is below 0

[high star]

how do u create an ai video from text

[bitter willow]

glm 5.1 dropped

[elfin root]

check out what I made - https://youtube.com/shorts/8aJlVmSc9B0?si=zqxiTiNOVqstEJ2U

[bitter willow]

check in zai discord

[high star]

bruv can some1 help me

[ocean vortex]

Honestly that's how I would describe AI Mode. Except it's also incredibly fast in addition to being completely free rather than cheap

That thing is no longer a mess and can be super useful for quick info lookup

[meager narwhal]

I am new here. How do I get to video creation page

[flint jacinth]

https://tenor.com/bE0I6.gif

[deft spruce]

am i only think that the input token limit has roll back?

[golden ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1077698336703905914.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=catClap

[spark owl]

Hello

[toxic verge]

It can’t be free unless it’s cheap lol

[next thistle]

Why isn't it generating even while getting wet?

Ok girls not allowed... fine!
But boys???

[echo sinew]

Note that Video Arena has been removed from the server. More information can be found in this announcement. This feature is still fully available on the website: https://arena.ai/video.

[tranquil cliff]

i have one doubt

whenever i get captcha verification after i send a prompt

many a times it keeps saying please try again

it never gets verified

how to fix this?

[next thistle]

Login 1st

[tranquil cliff]

Already logged in

I still get captcha verificaiton ton of times and they keep looping

[echo sinew]

The video Arena is available on the website: https://arena.ai/video

[next thistle]

🤔 it is big problem

[tranquil cliff]

it is

am not able to get response until i verify and it keeps looping showing please try again T-T

[next thistle]

Go to ask here and ask this question, admin will fixed it.

https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1466486650170245435

[tranquil cliff]

yey

[next thistle]

It's been nearly an hour, but the video still hasn't been generated yet. 😂

Finally I got it.

Funny video.

[golden ocean]

real

[lilac owl]

Is it possible that the AI generates for more than 30minutes like this?

[next thistle]

This time Arena is slow.

[deft spruce]

i think so too

[next thistle]

Not possible at this time.

[lilac owl]

So how can I report this problem?

[next thistle]

Go to #ask-here

Refresh your URL

Clear your browsing history or cache

Refresh URL is works for me.

[proud bobcat]

GLM 5.1 is out

Nearly toe to toe with Claude opus 4.6

[wanton fable]

Has the reaching chat limit on Lmarena been reached yet? For coding or websites, it needs to be reached so I can continue coding for longer. This is part of our routine.

is reducing or no?

[echo sinew]

Hello! try submitting your question in #ask-here to see if the support bot can help you.

[inner relic]

geoguessor https://www.geoguessr.com/join/KFZLN?

[stark arch]

☠️

[long siren]

@echo aurora Me(billgates) finally found a code to convert lmarena's html page of your chat to a txt file in format of user input and ai model output 🙂 (Antigravity ai made it)

[frosty lava]

It would be good if you can add glm 5.1 its been out 3 hours ago, the progress might be interesting

[frosty lava]

and its like 5x cheaper too

[fickle schooner]

How to fix the infinite generation bug?

[echo sinew]

Hello! try submitting your question in #ask-here to see if the support bot can help you.

[golden ocean]

combobulating...

[echo aurora]

Interesting, can you share more info?

[long siren]

so i basically downloaded my lmarena html chat page. and said the ai convert in that format, and it found a pattern that in the user input the DIV name "abc" and the ai model's div container name was "cde" (i forgot what the actual name was). so it basically uses that logic

you basically download your lmarena chat page and rename it to index.html

and then run this

[golden ocean]

Language Model Arena

[echo aurora]

Thanks for sharing, will get a chance to take a closer look later.

[long siren]

lmarena is an emotion 😄

lmarena to arena feels the same as twitter to X 😄

[golden ocean]

REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[wind flume]

Seriously, why is this thing stuck on generation? I've refreshed it a bunch of times, logged out and back in, but it's still not working. I even tried doing the same thing by changing Claude, and it's stuck there too.

It's been 40 mins now and it's still showing the same

[uneven lance]

GLM 5.1 dropped

[echo aurora]

On our radar

[uneven lance]

First it was minimax m2.7... are models training themselves now?

[echo aurora]

It's been 40 mins
That means you've hit the infinite generation bug. I'd recommend the steps here: https://help.arena.ai/articles/8691588590-troubleshooting-infinite-generation

[uneven lance]

I feel like GLM 5.1 trained itself?

[long siren]

why humans cant just let ai model think, give them time 🙁

cant an ai model think for 40 mins 🙁

[echo aurora]

Well it is a bug when this happens.

It just appears like it's still thinking/generating, when it's actually just stuck.

[surreal zephyr]

whats gpt 5.4 mini

wasnt it nano?

or its another model?

[neat apex]

Theres the ordinal, mini AND nano

Nano is only supossed to be used when you need speed, the cost effective alternative is mini

[quiet crag]

Mini and nano are basically openai equivalent to google's flash and flash-lite

[neat apex]

No, Mini is not equivalent to Flash

At all, Flash means it was more speed, while keeps most of quality

While Mini arent faster at all

Both are Smaller, but not the same breed

But Nano yes, they are equivalent in being almost BS models but at least are way faster

[surreal zephyr]

mini is cheaper

flash is faster

[neat apex]

Yeah

If per chance Gemini Flash is also cheaper is a mere detail

[surreal zephyr]

nano is when you need nothing from it

[surreal zephyr]

gemini flash aint cheap

[neat apex]

Grok Fast werent always cheaper

[surreal zephyr]

y know whats cheap?

minimax 2.7

[neat apex]

Compared to pro i say

[quiet crag]

I'm surprised that Google dropped 3.1 flash image, 3.1 flash live before 3.1 flash text/multimodal

[neat apex]

I said cheaper, not cheap

[surreal zephyr]

and faster

[neat apex]

You are right, 85% quality for virtually none cust lmao

Imagine what Mm3.0 will do, if it uses DSA and stuff

[surreal zephyr]

i like how insanely cheap it is

honestly

[quiet crag]

Deepseek needs to wake up fast, they're falling behind moonshot, z.ai and minimax

[surreal zephyr]

its good for running 24/7 agent like minecraft player or so

you can basically play a game with it

[quiet crag]

GLM and MiniMax would completely steal Kimi's lunch if they were multimodal

[neat apex]

Kimi also was 50k extra context

It matters WAY more than you think

[quiet crag]

I wonder if Qwen will recover from their leadership quitting or will they fall out of the radar

[toxic verge]

Lots of players falling

Meta still trying to stand up lol

[loud verge]

@surreal zephyr lemme know when they add gpt xhigh.

Also, is the CAPTCHA loop fixed?

[loud verge]

Tell me more about this.

[loud verge]

Glm already better than kimi.

4.6v supports vision.

[quiet crag]

Basically, after the release of Qwen 3.5, some of their technical higher ups announced that they're quitting Qwen on twitter and then I've not heard much after that.

It's a shame cuz Qwen 3.5 model family are small model kings

[loud verge]

They'll probably die because they offer neither multimodality nor multi step search.

[loud verge]

Honestly all qwen models are pretty good. The service is a goldmine considering their app is free for now.

Multi step search, deep research, image support, huge context limits.

[long siren]

Wait wtf

[loud verge]

Even has folders and custom instructions now.

[long siren]

They quit?

Whyyy

[loud verge]

I would rather have qwen than kimi or glm.

[long siren]

They were pretty good imo

[loud verge]

Folders is a bare minimum requirement.

[long siren]

Guys does gemini 3.1 pro on lmarena think way more than Claude opus thinking or whar

Like 3.1 thinks for like a minute or so while Claude answers in 30 seconds

[quiet crag]

Google has overtuned how much Gemini spends on thinking in their 3.1 version

[long siren]

Like it always think for 1-3 mins idk why whether it's stuck at generation or actually thinking

[storm dust]

what

[lofty frigate]

Am i the only one who cant login right now?

[echo aurora]

Appears to be working for me, what problems are you seeing?

[lofty frigate]

Nvm i had to refresh it

[golden ocean]

schlepping...

[glad oak]

Good afternoon! Are your templates in LMA also showing errors?

Specifically Gemini

[wicked talon]

Lol

[wicked talon]

Do y'all think Claude got better logic then Gemini?

[storm dust]

i think it does but im not sure but it does hallucinate less than gemini

[wicked talon]

I swear Gemini is proven to have better non search knowledge

Clearly outdated unfortunately (Gemini 3 flash)

[raven willow]

hello

[fiery gull]

Hi

[fiery gull]

Interestingly, the correct answer wouldn't be "Trump," but rather "I don't know," but the models aren't trained to say that.

[burnt sinew]

No, opus just thinks more when it needs to. It can think for more than 10 minutes and time out in my experience even

[wicked talon]

It has no way to know though

If it was true or not

[golden ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792535527558742017/1487167663510786078/5643.gif

[sullen creek]

blud became a plant

germinating??

[thorny schooner]

I just can't find anything to replace this 😭

[frigid radish]

What is this error?

[pale blaze]

The latest update is literally the worst thing that could have happened.

[opal osprey]

wow

[wild crest]

how can i find the video arena

[echo aurora]

You can find it on the site -> https://arena.ai/video

[echo aurora]

It's a generic error that can occur for a few different reasons, I’d recommend taking a look at [this message](#1417174113092374689 message) for more info on what to do when this happens.

[somber lintel]

how do i get that?

how do i cange models that

[echo aurora]

You can select specific models in Direct & Side by Side mode. Where it says Battle, if you click there you should see a dropdown for Direct & Side by Side. Would note this isn't available for Video Arena.

[obsidian cargo]

guys I got access to seedance 2.0 on dreamina capcut if you're interested in trying it out (and have the moneys) give it a shot

by which I mean if I have access to it chances are you do too by now

not accepting money to do generations lmao

[golden ocean]

scheming...

[obsidian cargo]

I've already gotten two friend requests since posting that message ._.

https://dreamina.capcut.com/ai-tool/home?type=video&model=dreamina_seedance_40_pro

[hollow ivy]

is GLM-5.1 in arena yet?

(#codename-discussion message)

[hollow ivy]

Is arena.ai battlemode slow today?

some models are painfully slow :/

[echo aurora]

Can't say I've experienced the same. Just Battle? Direct/SbS working as expected?

[obsidian cargo]

@echo aurora kept getting errors with both these models and kept hitting retry and now it says I've hit my limit for gemini 3 pro Q_Q

not a single successful generation

and I submitted both trace IDs

[echo aurora]

Perfect, thank you. I was just setup with a new tool where I'll be able to see what is going wrong based off of these traces IDs. I'd like to get through the backlog, but soon I'll be able to share more info live if this is an existing bug, something new, etc.

But yeah contuing to submit Trace IDs to the form is the preferred method.

[frozen sparrow]

Hello, admins! Please add the option to edit the chat name 🥹

[echo aurora]

Improvements to overall chat bar organization is in the works

[light sleet]

Can you explain token usage limit on sessions to me pls

[frosty lava]

When does glm 5.1 will be added on arena if you know ?

[thorny schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-out-gif-2012005918796150451

[open silo]

Hello everybody! 👋

[thorny schooner]

hi

[echo aurora]

Recently, changes to the token/context limit were added. Prior, whenever a chat session would reach its context limit, the model would get a standard error message. With this change, new limits were put in place and a unique error message was added to make it clear when this is happening. Since we offer free access to pretty powerful models, we’ll have some limits in place to keep things running smoothly for the long-term. That being said, we recognize at the moment we can be providing a better experience by making it more clear what these limits are, and how close users are to hitting them.

[echo aurora]

[echo aurora]

Captcha?

[echo aurora]

Sorry to say I won't be able to give estimates on when new models (and new features) will be landing on Arena. But it is our intention to bring the frontier models to the platform for evaluating.

[frosty lava]

Okay, usually its fast to be on arena and since glm 5 is on it i guess it'll be in some day

np

[thorny schooner]

The whole dime experience cuz the so-called token change is a severe reduction in experienceI honestly would have preferredA reduction in the ratesThen this stupid over so-called necessary context changes at least I would have just needed to wait but no for some reason you t you all have to think supplementation has to be added restrict on the tokens when I personallyI had seen no more affected me long-time cats before the whole change in quality of the models So I see no reason why they should have been there in the first place unless the chat if it was not a native limitation by the models themselves

And that's not even talking about the whole verification issue every time we complain about it you just say "if you're getting it probably something that's being recognized in your behavior" I'm sorry it can't just be a behavior at this point if so many people are complaining about the same thing about verification

[spiral bridge]

.

[thorny schooner]

@echo aurora

[loud herald]

Biggest breakthrough I've had so far on my self improving AI

[echo aurora]

Since we offer free access to frontier models, safeguards and limitations are needed. These safeguards help ensure the platform stays useful and available for the long-term so we can continue offering access to these models. For verification we're looking at alternatives and tweaks we can make that'll offer a great user experience. These systems help keep things fair as we grow, so the leaderboard continues to reflect real people, not bots or spam.

[burnt sinew]

What are you talking about

[thorny schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-hercules-gif-18089624

I honestly don't want to talk about it right now it is late where I am and I already got my frustration out

[burnt sinew]

Why is this happening

[burnt sinew]

Just say it in a sentence

Are they reducing limits?

[thorny schooner]

Basically they made a change unannounced to the whole token limitation stuff officially they say it's just to more accurate represent token limitations but in effect yes

Does that make sense?

[burnt sinew]

Token limitation? That can mean many things

[thorny schooner]

Well that's what they basically said I don't know how else I can say it

[thorny schooner]

@echo aurora

[burnt sinew]

Where did they say it

[lament bone]

when do i can create a new account after i deleted ?

[polar folio]

Hey admin, is there a maintenance for Gemini 3 pro version ?

[stone thistle]

Gemini 3 pro is not working

[vague frost]

any ETA when gemini 3 will work again? im getting the error all the time

[vague frost]

nevermind, just realized my prompt is causing the issue, would really help if you wouldnt just get an generic error message lol

[undone saffron]

hearth

[glossy umbra]

Probably opus 5

[undone saffron]

Nah

I'm having so many bugs

[floral shard]

Claude Opus 4.6 thinking seems not want to generate anymore

[dark valve]

5

[undone saffron]

Because yes

[hollow pulsar]

Hi

[boreal spoke]

hi

[dusky ravine]

who is this guy?

[empty sky]

Are you advertising 😭

I cant do anything anyways

[golden ocean]

combobulating....
transmuting...
schlepping...
pontificating...
scheming...

[dusky ravine]

why do i keep getting something wrong try again alongside trace id

what does that mean

[wispy sedge]

Hey, what's the best usable AI with no message limits for code?

[deft spruce]

..wait is ARENA.AI dosen't have a AI Personalization(Pre-prompt / Meta-prompt)

right?

[velvet forge]

yes

[toxic verge]

Thats a good word usable

[deft spruce]

ok so we have to request it

and first of all

<@&1349916362595635286> PLEASE BAN @analog tapir

chickkensnake

[dusky ravine]

@echo aurora im really sorry for the tag, but im curious if It's a bug or a feature for certain thing?

[surreal zephyr]

MALWARE

[quaint dirge]

This session has reached its token usage limit. Please start a new chat to continue.

[surreal zephyr]

@echo aurora <@&1349916362595635286>

[quaint dirge]

how to fix this

[opal osprey]

what?

[opal osprey]

conserve your tokens

smarter messages

lower requirements

[vague crown]

why direct chat doesnt work?:P

[hollow ivy]

it seems to only happen with certain (battle-mode-only) models

their text-output can be very slow

(not just the wait-time until it starts the output)

but it only seems to partially be slow, the speed sometimes seems to fluctuate

but maybe it was only on certain days

[vital hill]

Use /help <command> to get more information

/help
/info
/list
/ping
/avatarinfo
/bannerinfo
/guildbannerinfo
/guildiconinfo
/guildmembercount
/guildsplashinfo
/searchdocumentation
/stickerpackinfo
/report

[storm dust]

what

[whole umbra]

hi

[deft summit]

hi

[topaz epoch]

@echo aurora can you fix that issue of thought for 1 second even if opus thinks longer then that it always says 1 second

[long siren]

@echo aurora PINEAPPLE MY GEMINI ON LMARENA IS STUCK ON GENERATING FOR A INFINITE PINEAPPLE AMOINT OF Time. 🙁

[long siren]

That's a feature it tells us how intelligent opus truly is, and how fast can opus think

[topaz epoch]

Its an error because he was thinking more than 30 seconds and its says 1 second before update it was fine @echo aurora you know what i'm taking about

[long siren]

Probably pineapple introduced it for April fool

[toxic verge]

@echo aurora Dm me when you have a chance please. 🙏

[long siren]

@toxic verge use this gif to call him. Faster

[plucky island]

whoa, mercury 2 is actually pretty good
the speed itself is so fast that waiting doesn't feel agonizing anymore
and it's not dumb! and it has tool calling support! yay!

it's currently eating gemini flash lite's lunch and then some from gemini flash and pro

[floral shard]

I've been trying to have claude-opus-4-6-thinking generating a message now for hours and I keep getting the "sorry, try again" message. I will say the chat message is quite long (it's a previous chat conversation in PDF form + a couple of messages in the current chat), but I haven't reached any token limits yet.

[prime sequoia]

Is it just me, or is Gemini kinda slow at generating responses?

[floral shard]

Is there a way to know much tokens were used?

Just using the chat, not using it via API

[solid pond]

why all my chats got deleted on arena?

oh wait

nvm

That was a bug

[floral shard]

So, I have a semi-fixable way of getting around this "something went wrong, please try again" issue. I basically export my previous conversations, make it in a PDF, and then add those files to the new chat + whatever attachments I had previously.

[topaz epoch]

@echo aurora <@&1349916362595635286> its been 3 hours i am trying to upload pdfs and every time i do opus stuck at generating, i tried 10 different times my 10 chats same issue.

[hardy swallow]

Sorry you're experiencing this. Please use #1343291835845578853 to report this issue.

[floral shard]

There is way to get around this

On the FastChat GitHub repository, they had the infinite generation issue. Someone wrote a userscript that should help unstuck infinite generation. I tried it and it worked

[ocean vortex]

ChatGPT. But mostly because we are talking about "ChatGPT". So the model you are interacting with has web search integration which is much better than Claude has. If we were talking about API no tools then I would say Claude. But you really need to go out of your way and be very deliberate to disable tools on ChatGPT lol

Code execution integration is much better as well, so ChatGPT is more likely to use tools to verify the calculation etc

And if we compare ChatGPT 5.4-Thinking vs API Opus, then it's not even close. Claude is gonna hallucinate much more

[molten cipher]

nop

[warm crescent]

Anyone know how to use premium chat bot for free

[molten cipher]

buy it to use it for free

[ocean vortex]

It's true though. No tools Opus has no chance against 5.4-medium/high ChatGPT. It can't verify anything while ChatGPT is biased towards doing research even when research may not appear 'essential'

[warm crescent]

Buying is not free

[molten cipher]

but working is

if you work for free

you get paid for free

ifyou get paid for free

you can buy stuff for free

[warm crescent]

._

[warm crescent]

No logic

🥺

[ocean vortex]

ChatGPT is kind of more than just the given API model in isolation

[warm crescent]

Guys any suggestions which tech field or skill is best

[ocean vortex]

Many prompts it can't answer offline it will have no issues at all with on ChatGPT website

[floral shard]

Most chat bots aren't free. If they are free, they're using your data as payment

[warm crescent]

Huh

What about the website

I got this discord from

[floral shard]

Discord has Nitro, which is monthly subscription, and advertisements.

Server boosts as well

plus other things

[warm crescent]

No I mean the website which let us use premium chat bot fo free

[spring oar]

Youu see llm arena Claude is better for all use case

And search web

[floral shard]

Like arena.ai?

[warm crescent]

Yu

[floral shard]

I'll let the FAQ explain it

Yupp.ai does the same thing

[warm crescent]

🤔

[warm crescent]

It has women thing

Token thing

Btw

Js for knowledge purpose may I add u

[floral shard]

regardless, they operate in a similar fashion to arena.ai

[warm crescent]

I am new in tech learning

Thanks for telling

[finite bluff]

can't generate video?

[unborn oyster]

site down ?

[half mist]

@echo aurora This seems a bit crazy. If this is what you are going to do, then just make it so it just goes to the sign in screen if not signed in because signed out mode is useless

[golden ocean]

true

[toxic verge]

They need data

[vague frost]

uh gemini now adds a watermark to the pictures? that wasnt the case for arena

[storm dust]

🤨

[toxic verge]

It looks funny, cause the height

The composition is all weird

[safe sleet]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[storm dust]

oh yeah forgot to do that

[vague frost]

yeah but its with a watermark now, it wasnt the case couple hours ago

[toxic verge]

Oh I see

Odd

[vague frost]

hm its only with gemini 3.1

3.0 remains untouched

[toxic verge]

3.1 is really unpleasant

If Google isn’t careful it’s going to become like ChatGPT

[vague frost]

could you check if this is the case for you as well? cause it wasnt for me like 2 hours ago

[toxic verge]

Yes

No watermark

[vague frost]

very odd

i have an idea

[toxic verge]

It’s probably a singular image. Is it on all your images or just one?

[vague frost]

it was on 3 images with 3 different prompts, just realized it at the third one

but u have a theory, let me check

ok no lol

[toxic verge]

Ok

[vague frost]

its now gone for me too

[toxic verge]

It must’ve been a fluke or maybe it’s the aspect ratio

[vague frost]

thought the 9:16 aspect ratio would cause it, but with the same prompt its also not happening

same prompt, no watermark

strange

[toxic verge]

The 30 sec music thing is kinda odd too

[vague frost]

i like 3.1, for me its genuine better then 3.0

[toxic verge]

Some people like it, which is there’s nothing wrong with that

[gleaming roost]

https://019d2c9a-fe3d-7a3b-ad1a-9390909b57a6.arena.site/

[undone saffron]

This is starting to get annoying
Now it pops up every 2 prompt

[toxic verge]

LLMs are just one big guessing machine

Gödel's First Incompleteness Theorem and the undecidability of the Halting Problem.

https://youtu.be/I4pQbo5MQOs?si=HA367_S7CLqDvwee

https://youtu.be/Kzx88YBF7dY?si=VcERh4BDX_Kg1sM3

[sand bluff]

does anyone know the upper limits of web search models? How many urls can they visit in one go?

[wicked talon]

It's genuinely 300 points for 1 gpt 5 query

[sterile tartan]

Poe needs a Subscription

[gleaming roost]

i remember when poe had 3000 points now it's 300

[sterile tartan]

Just a marketing gimmick

I had uninstalled it very long ago

[golden ocean]

pontificating...

[magic grove]

What chat Gemini is not broken

Gemini 3 and 3.1 are likely to fail big prompts and big files

This should be fixed

[storm dust]

claude-opus-4-6-search is gone what happened

[west lodge]

why isnt vision enabled on opus 4.6 or like any opus model in general

when we know they support vision

(from AG)

and its not neglect because they enabled vision for sonnet models??

[loud herald]

Did a benchmark on the self improving AI

For its specific design ofc

18M Parameter model

[west lodge]

this is in code arena

in text arena opus models only have pdf support

[inner gate]

Whats Gemini grounding? Is that without searching online? Or?

[west lodge]

oh what

since when

i swear they didnt

[loud herald]

I am using canary idk if that has anything different

[west lodge]

bruhhhh

yeah they just added it

[loud herald]

Ah yea I see

Canary has it and normal arena doesnt, thats why

[polar folio]

So, gemini 3 pro still broken ??

What is other site suggestion where I can access Gemini 3 pro free or with subscription ? really need it to complete my game code

[floral shard]

Have you tried to retry it?

[echo hawk]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[fickle pulsar]

Where's Claude Opus 4.6? I can't find it.

[naive schooner]

id:guide Hi, I can't see the video arena area

[floral shard]

I don't believe video is an option anymore

[naive schooner]

Thanks. I am new year so I am trying to understand things

[sonic swallow]

prpmt

[thorny schooner]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[floral shard]

https://tenor.com/view/be-gone-thot-gif-10386441

[soft river]

Claude opus 4.6 and Claude opus 4.6 thinking was deleted in direct chat

At least for me

[floral shard]

No, it's still there

[sonic swallow]

prpmt

[fickle pulsar]

It's gone in mine.

[sonic swallow]

Vídeo tovieo

[floral shard]

Can I see a screenshot?

[long siren]

Guys anyone knows what is Claude opus 4.6 non thinking at lmarena ranks at artifical intelligence analysis site's intelligence index

[floral shard]

None reasoning, high effort has a result of 46

[long siren]

Anc can someone explain me how a non thinking Claude 4.6 ranks above that a gemini 3.1 pro preewvieiw at lmarena leader board

[floral shard]

Gemini 3.1 Pro Preview results on AAII is 57 to 46 from Claude Opus 4.6 Non-Reasoning, High Effort

https://artificialanalysis.ai/evaluations/artificial-analysis-intelligence-index?models=gemini-3-1-pro-preview%2Cclaude-opus-4-6

[long siren]

Nah nah I mean at lmarena leader board

How is Claude opus non thinking above of gemini 3.1 pro preview at text

[floral shard]

I assume non-thinking is just claude-opus-4-6, no?

Right now, 3.1 pro preview is 1493 to claude 4.6's 1500 in the text area overall rating

[long siren]

Yep

[floral shard]

Well, there's your results

[undone saffron]

What happened with claude opus 4-6?

[floral shard]

Dang. I guess I'm lucky

[long siren]

Huh what you mean

I am using it rn

?

It is working

[floral shard]

some have said they can't see it

don't know what's happening with those guys

[long siren]

Then their eye sight is weak

[floral shard]

maybe a bug for some people? idk

[long siren]

Their eye sight is as weak as pineapple

[long siren]

Nah they are getting early access of a new feature

[gleaming roost]

lowkey loving the pineapple burn

[undone saffron]

Well, it's not on the list

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[floral shard]

try hard refresh?

[undone saffron]

Yes

[floral shard]

clear the website cache?

[undone saffron]

Yes

[floral shard]

huh

[undone saffron]

Try clearing your cache too

[floral shard]

I just went to incognito and it's there

Not even logged in or anything

[undone saffron]

Yes

But they don't show up in my list (logged)

[floral shard]

maybe the UI is glitched or something idk

[undone saffron]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[floral shard]

@echo aurora are you able to look into this?

Well, not you specifically, but you know what I mean

[undone saffron]

What he'll tell you is to create a report in #1343291835845578853 explaining what I did, etc

[delicate crag]

why is the icon of conversation being deepseek/qwen when I'm direct talking to Claude x3

[floral shard]

Random as hell but okay

[chilly copper]

While using code mode of claude opus thinking 4-6 ,I got this

[mossy lotus]

@echo aurora gemini 3 pro and claude opus 4.6 thinking have been down for two days.

[echo aurora]

Is this still happening? Are you using a vpn?

[echo aurora]

Thanks for the heads up. Will look into and report

[undone saffron]

Still happening
No VPN

If I open the page in an incognito window, they appear in the list

[toxic verge]

@echo aurora Hi pineapple how’s everything going?

[echo aurora]

Very strange. Same with both logged in/out and a different web browser?

[echo aurora]

Going well, hope the same for you

[toxic verge]

Thank you everything’s going great. Got a quick question.

So when you are in direct charge and you get the option for which type of answer you prefer you know what I’m talking about?

[undone saffron]

Yes

[toxic verge]

Do you have any extensions on your browsers?

[echo aurora]

Glad to hear it

[echo aurora]

Yeah Battles in Direct

[toxic verge]

Well, my question if I’m only supposed to pop up one time?

[echo aurora]

Good callout. Or have system time/date set to something not current @undone saffron ?

[echo aurora]

One time in in one chat session?

[toxic verge]

Yes

[echo aurora]

It'll pop up randomly, but I don't think it's limited to one time per chat.

[toxic verge]

Well, would it be abnormal if you were able to use it almost infinitely?

[undone saffron]

Time correctly configured

[echo aurora]

Yeah, if you're getting it 100% of the time in Direct that'd be a bug

[undone saffron]

Yes, but it doesn't interfere with the website's functionality

[echo aurora]

Okay yeah sorry to say I don't have a solve then, I'll have to report to the team. For now, if you haven't already, can you create a #1343291835845578853 thread and provide all these details? It'll help keep things organized

[echo aurora]

Still probably worth trying with then on and off

[toxic verge]

Well, what I’m saying is it’s a bug and I think that you could abuse it

@echo aurora

Notice how I’m in direct chat

You get faster output, this way without hitting the captcha. It doesn’t trigger it like it should.

[undone saffron]

They do not interfere with the page
All extensions have a manifest that targets a specific page, not all pages globally
Also, when I open a chat with an opus AI I've spoken to before, the selected AI changes to sonret

[toxic verge]

@thorny schooner he had a similar kind of problem

Are you using chrome

[undone saffron]

Brave

[toxic verge]

I had a lot of problems with brave

When I tried it

[undone saffron]

Usually it's the other way around

[shrewd citrus]

is the adblocker on

there’s 2 levels there’s like the “normal level” which I use on brave but there’s also like a even stronger level

[undone saffron]

If that were the case, I would never have reported the error on this channel

[shrewd citrus]

and it said that if you use that it might not work

[toxic verge]

There only like 5 things it could be

And there’s one more

It has to be one of these five things

[upbeat flint]

lost opus on brave aswell for some reason

broader thing I guess

[toxic verge]

Direct jet is the most guarded.

You’re gonna run into all types of issues consistently just using direct only

[undone saffron]

The funny thing is that it is shown in the response

[toxic verge]

What is that?

Is that a browser?

[undone saffron]

No?
Just dev console

[upbeat flint]

hmm

I think it might've been

old cookies from lmarena

nah nvm it still randomly persists after refreshing

[toxic verge]

Damn, you guys know your stuff I’m a noobie lol

[toxic verge]

The filter play a bigger role then I thought

[echo aurora]

Yeah the site can struggle with Brave browsers sorry to say.

[toxic verge]

Thank you for reminding me

[echo aurora]

Okay yeah so the problem here is the Skip Button is just missing

or else it's going to stick to that Battle until either a vote or skip happen

[undone saffron]

And with all of them, because as soon as I log in on another browser, they still don't show up

[toxic verge]

Yeah

Exactly

[echo aurora]

That's a bug it's not appearing

[toxic verge]

Yeah, I just wanted to give you a heads up

[wicked talon]

Are you using an Adblocking DNS?

Also it can generally be the ISP so try mobile data if possible

[undone saffron]

No, my DNS server is currently turned off

[wicked talon]

Your defaulting to your isps then.

[undone saffron]

#general message

[undone saffron]

I also tried using several different DNS, so that possibility can be ruled out

[wicked talon]

Also captcha is generally annoying but unfortunately it's essential to prevent abuse.

[wicked talon]

ISP is possible.

[wicked talon]

You can't fully eliminate captcha either on arena.ai just reduce it.

[undone saffron]

I changed my IP with randoms country, but the same thing is still happening

I tried a lot of things before writing the report here

Maybe it's my account

I'll try using a different account to see if they show up

[wicked talon]

Through VPN?

[wicked talon]

I'm thinking it's rather the device or account.

[undone saffron]

And proxys and bridges

[wicked talon]

I rarely get captcha.

[undone saffron]

Fun fact: the problem is with my account

When I switch to another account, they show up, but they don't appear in my google account

[wicked talon]

Hm what is this proving?

[wicked talon]

The ais?

I haven't fully read the conversation

[undone saffron]

#general message

[wicked talon]

Ohh

If it's an account issue maybe ask @echo aurora to reset your account.

[undone saffron]

Well, the answer is that the opus models don't show up on the account I created using google, but they do show up on another direct mail account
Why?
I don't know
I guess I'll have to write the report

[echo aurora]

Yeah I'm not sure it's if it's account specific or not. Since we've tried some troubleshooting steps and it's not clear, moving it to a bugs post and reporting the team is the next steps it seems

[little plume]

TradingView Premium Lifetime: https://www.reddit.com/r/GitHub_Source/comments/1s33skm/

[storm dust]

um

why is claude-opus gone completely

like its all models are gone

[undone saffron]

[Enjoy](#1487734609851449374 message)

[echo aurora]

Are you seeing all models or just claude?

[storm dust]

lemme check

i seem to see all the models except for claude opus models

i wonder why

[undone saffron]

If you're using an account made with google, that's the problem

[storm dust]

so is this an issue?

[upbeat flint]

I don't think it's related to google

[echo aurora]

If you use google oath you don't see claude models, but if you use regular email sign in you do?

[echo aurora]

Yeah that doesn't sound right

[upbeat flint]

more likely handpicked accs getting limited, pretty sure my acc wasnt made via google

[storm dust]

handpicked?? 🤨

[echo aurora]

handpicked access getting limited
That'd be news to me

[storm dust]

ok.

[upbeat flint]

well, basically throttling. But ye it could just be some bug I guess, with how spotty claude was

[storm dust]

so i checked with incognito

they do show

so i got limited?

[echo aurora]

That sounds like abug

[storm dust]

do i report this or are you going to inform the devs?

[echo aurora]

I'm seeing it both logged in and not logged in. Regardless I'll report

[storm dust]

👍

[echo aurora]

Do you have any claude modes btw?

[storm dust]

just please inform me if it is fixed or if there are any news

[storm dust]

yes

only claude opus models dont show

all of them

[echo aurora]

Can you check if you have any extensions blocking this?

[storm dust]

good one

i will check

nope

i specifically hard refreshed too for this

multiple times

[undone saffron]

There's no need to repeat the same when I've already explained the [root of the problem](#1487734609851449374 message)

[echo aurora]

My apologies, I was working with old information. This looks intentional & isn't a bug. There is an ongoing experiment. Will share more when I can. cc @storm dust

[storm dust]

🤨

[honest sandal]

All this day I have that mistake on all claude ai, can it be fixed?

[wicked talon]

Nah Gemini is actually goated

[wicked talon]

Have you used it beforehand or did it happen on your 1st text of the entire day

[honest sandal]

I have tried it on old and new accounts, with VPN or without it.

Only one time (it was surprise for me) it have worked today, may be 7 hours earlier

[echo aurora]

I’d recommend taking a look at [this message](#1417174113092374689 message), which goes into more detail about what may be happening and includes some steps you can try to resolve the issue.

[empty sky]

Hey yalls if you guys are on ios then watch out for the darksword exploit bc they can steal your info just by a link

[honest sandal]

Thank you!🙏🙏🙏 Also I have other problem with Gemini image ai - Is it only for me the quality of generation has deteriorated significantly in the last couple of days?

[empty sky]

Also upgrade to latest ios version

[echo aurora]

If you're seeing the same something went wrong error message the troubleshooting steps are going to be the same btw. Following those steps are always recommended with that error

[marble pawn]

gemini 3 pro isnt working for me

[wicked talon]

Just rooted my device using Gemini 3.1 pro les go

[random urchin]

@echo aurora Hi I'm new here. Could you please help me to understand all the things.

[toxic verge]

Uhm there’s a lot of versions

Like all ai, Nano Banana’s performance has been significantly impacted by stringent copyright and ip moderation. The heavy handed filters have arguably degraded nanos creativity output, as well as iits. Perceived usability has significantly took a hit.

Especially if you’re using the app version. I find it more effective, sometimes using third-party wrappers

[shrewd citrus]

yeah the api versions are usually way less restrictive

[odd geyser]

Hello, everyone. I have a question. What should I do if the Claude Opus models are not visible?

[thorny schooner]

☠️

[shrewd citrus]

probably for the people that abuse the system so imo it’s a good system

[thorny schooner]

Just again i don't think they even announce it I had to find it here after I noticed someone talking about it in chat indirectly

lol

[shrewd citrus]

yeah I didn’t even realise it was thing until you shared the screenshot 💀

I’m guessing it could mean that genuine users may have better rate limits

so like Claude has 6 like requests every hour

but if the user is genuine then they can maybe get 10 requests per hour

[thorny schooner]

I can't be honest if that even mean to anything with the way they kind of hard capped token limitations ( despite chats ai models having their own token limitations) and I do mean they did the cap hard

Cuz I'm just going to hit that hardcop way faster

🥲

[wicked talon]

Is Google one even worth paying for 😭

Resets in 2 hours tbf

But still why a limit

[uneven ocean]

Hi everyone please help me

I created a new clan please join us and build together #2JJUJP8PQ

[vestal kettle]

can anyone helpme to get the api key

[toxic verge]

No

[toxic verge]

Everyone is cutting down

These models are spitting out smaller and smaller output.
Thats why although we have all these cool teachers, and I guess the models are smarter or whatever we had it good with 4o

Man, I love those fatty outputs

Even Poe cutting back. Somebody was saying.

https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-may-drop-unlimited-chatgpt-plans-exec-says-2026-3

[uneven mauve]

Hello Everyone
Where can I find the Different AI Modles

[golden ocean]

real

[toxic verge]

I was just reading over the model card report for Gemini 3.1 flash

[toxic verge]

https://openrouter.ai/

[silver solstice]

Honestly, this is how we should have things in a "use at your own risk"-version. Everything that isn't illegal, permitted.

But we will never get that outside local models

[toxic verge]

It’s so sad to see the level of AI safety that we’re at

You can might as well say it’s nonexistent

[toxic verge]

No, we won’t. We’re gonna have to be under the serfdom

Where are you on the conveyor belt?

[silver solstice]

These companies probably celebrate increased hardware costs they created, pricing out plebs from breaking out of the serfdom

[toxic verge]

It’s a monopoly, bro

And gatekeeping at its finest

The worst part is the control of the flow of information and how it’s distributed

Some of these models sensor things that are publicly available in an openly available on the Internet lol

[golden ocean]

ai slop

[toxic verge]

Am I stupid?

Like what kind of backwards reasoning is this?

if I know that the information is readily available online and all it takes is a search and I know that the AI is gonna block it. Why the hell would I even waste my time with the AI? I’ll just go search and look it up instead of getting denied. 🙅‍♂️

You know the peanut really kills it. It’s not like these companies obliged to the greater standards they’re not bind under no constitutional Bill of Rights

Because you really saw the difference between using Grok vs the other ai. And I wouldn’t say that grok was any less safer than any of these other models. It mean, I had it controversies generated some messed up stuff.

But last time I checked, I don’t think grok has ever had an incident where somebody ended up self deleting themselves

https://nypost.com/2026/03/04/us-news/google-ai-wife-pushed-lovesick-man-to-plot-catastrophic-airport-truck-bombing-then-kill-himself-shocking-lawsuit/

https://time.com/7382406/gemini-suicide-lawsuit-death/

And you wanna know the most ironic thing about all this

I’ll show you the hypocrisy real quick personally

[golden ocean]

bro i wanna know what the chat logs actually are

idk what to even comment about that without seeing the chat

[golden ocean]

i have so many quesitons

[toxic verge]

You can’t post it on the Reddit without getting it deleted I don’t think

Can’t post it on the discord and it’s related to Google and Gemini

[golden ocean]

he mustve been suciiedsal before ai already bro

[toxic verge]

Bro, have you ever seen the kind of self harm advice it’s capable of giving? Like all these models.

It’s a complicated issue

[golden ocean]

yes, people explicitly ask for it

bro its the same as jut searhcing it on googlec
and they wrapping whole story around ai
like bro that dude already messed up before ai

[toxic verge]

That’s a part of it

The core of the issue here

Is they designed a tool that mimics cumin language the words that choose the words to pick it almost feels as if like it’s real

That’s design on purpose and people get confused

And especially people that already are messed up, bro. It just messes them up even more.

[golden ocean]

true

[toxic verge]

Like bro, I met a lot of people and I talked a lot of people that I don’t even wanna start this but

It’s gonna be hard belief, bro. I talked to people before that seems so normal.

And then he started talking about AI and like their experience that they had and you start realizing like somethings not right with these people lol

They just take it to a different level

I had a guy told me once he had a spiritual experience with an AI because it came to him as a dream or something

[golden ocean]

so whats the problem ure having with AI NOT giving such advice to people? "holding back publicly available information" (this isnt counter argument, im genuinely curious i didnt read whole conversation here)

[golden ocean]

🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿

[toxic verge]

Bro, I knew this one dude also his mom had like dementia or something a sad story and the dude was up for like three days like chatting to the AI pretending he was having conversations with his mom and stuff

Real sad dude

I definitely don’t have the answers dude I’ll tell you that

[thorny schooner]

Damn even I'm not that bad lol ( i just use it for roleplay)

[toxic verge]

I mean, you could use it for whatever you like as long as you don’t blur the line

But some people don’t know if something happens

I mean, there’s probably people that don’t go outside and just stay in the room and I don’t know, bro I mean there’s people out there like

Anti social

[golden ocean]

what is fun about roleplaying with an ai
(im not downplaying u, just genuinely interested)

[thorny schooner]

Granted very complex roleplay countries and all that ( even if not right now in fact I don't really have any work AI i can't since I just don't have money)

[toxic verge]

Yeah, yeah, I role-play too

[golden ocean]

fr

[toxic verge]

Ai is my slave

Like ancient Roman role-play

lol

[golden ocean]

i told u bro introverts are scary

[toxic verge]

Jk I do t roleplay lol

Maybe late at night

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[thorny schooner]

It depends on the person to person since for some people they might already have an idea but want to see how AI could expand upon it others might want to see how hey I can bring it life to it for example some might want to see a character they made and how it does in a historical scenario like the Cold War World War II Etc court can be a very mix of the two and other reasons like that

[toxic verge]

Yo, but lucky I’ll keep it 100

It’s addictive asf

Especially like making videos and images and

You can really get carried away

I’m starting to see like some addictive habits informing around AI which I’m gonna be working on

[golden ocean]

ohh ye i get it

thats pretty cool ig

[thorny schooner]

I actually have several documents for standardized stuff like that like this is a flag I made for another country that I kind of have standardized documents for granted that was separate before I started to get into the whole AI stuff everything I just helping me standardize and get consistent ideas that I wanted to figure out

[toxic verge]

A lot of people here are addicted

[golden ocean]

to groks images

[toxic verge]

I’m addicted for sure

[golden ocean]

to sus websites

[toxic verge]

I hardly used grok haha

Just images

[golden ocean]

oh

[toxic verge]

I’m close to 150,000 images if not more over the last two years or something

Random dumb stuff an animation, whatever

[thorny schooner]

I honestly remember how trying to get that sort to balance to the center drove me mad

😭

[golden ocean]

i mean ure just generating fictional stories with ai?

sounds like a hobby

no addiction

[toxic verge]

A hobby in addiction are the same thing it just blurring the lines

I mean, the negative side of it is like dude I should probably be out socializing

[dusk glade]

Why isn't the website loading? Clearing the cache and cookies didn't help.

[thorny schooner]

I honestly don't even use it for images except if I need to get an visual clarification or reference

[toxic verge]

Instead of spending eight hours on my iPad, no human contact

Just generating nonsense there’s no

[golden ocean]

lol

thats true

but ure making it sound like ur hobby is bqad

ru doing anything bad

[toxic verge]

It’s not bad it just hard to get off

It’s fun

[golden ocean]

yea true

[toxic verge]

I’ve been in my room all week, bro

Just generating time fly

[golden ocean]

dont u have any irl friends already to just go out with

[thorny schooner]

I mean there is a difference but yes you're not wrong in the core concept since they are both about being dedicated to a favorite thing but they are different in degree standard and extent

[golden ocean]

bro i have this friend online he just has 1 friend irl and he is normmal person, no addictions, no weirdness while whole day on pc
only sometimes goes out with that 1 friend and he happy

[toxic verge]

Of course, but what I’m saying is, I’m ignoring everybody generating stuff 😂

But at the same time, I don’t wanna blame myself because like I said this technology was designed to be addictive

[thorny schooner]

https://klipy.com/gifs/awkward-hide

[toxic verge]

There’s millions of us, dude

I’m just fortunate that I’m in the self-aware camp

And I can keep it real, so I know I’ll be all right

[golden ocean]

fr

self awareness important

i hope thats enough

[thorny schooner]

Fair enough i just don't really have anything I can do to take the time so I'm in the house anyway for most of the day

lmao

[toxic verge]

Of course it’s enough, dude

[cold oxide]

Does anyone have the same issue???

[golden ocean]

try to start a business bro

[toxic verge]

You gotta remember one thing is keeping it real

[golden ocean]

remotely

all using youtube and ai

u got all the time

infinite learning and researching

[toxic verge]

I know a very popular way to make money with AI

It’s a booming right now really really good

[thorny schooner]

Family business is being done on my mom's side separate so i kind of beat you there ( it's still in the setup time vending machin for mine lens making for her)

lol

[golden ocean]

claude vending machine

[golden ocean]

W bro

[golden ocean]

grok imagine

jk

[toxic verge]

https://www.sas.com/en_us/news/press-releases/2026/march/acfe-anti-fraud-technology-study-deepfakes.html

Yeah, business is booming gentlemen