general

[echo aurora]

Not sure what this is referring to tbh

Guessing because they learned before vibe coding was a thing

I'm sure some still like coding too, just have a passion for it.

I don't do it often, did build a boba arena though as a lot of employees at Arena love boba

https://www.boba-arena.com/

Lol yeah

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Best arena

[steel plaza]

https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1486090051828842726

[echo aurora]

bumping this question ^

Looks like it's working again for me, but curious if others were/are seeign the same problem.

[crude anchor]

WTF It's happening, the arena came with a big goal and is declining for me, but I continue to support it, but Claude E Gemini in Code Arena are completely unusable.

( @echo aurora )

[echo aurora]

I couldn't say what is happening based off of that information as it's a generic error message. It's recommended to take a look at [this message](#1417174113092374689 message), which goes into more detail about what may be happening and includes some steps you can try to resolve the issue.

[crude anchor]

It's not generic; literally every prompt gives this error, and when it seems to work, I used the limit.

[echo aurora]

Something went wrong is the generic error message, this can happen for many different reasons.

[crude anchor]

ok,but for me its a bug in site.

Thanks pineapple!

[echo aurora]

What ever the reason is for this happening, the troubleshooting and reporting steps are the same outlined in [this message](#1417174113092374689 message).

[brazen escarp]

does anyone know how to fix this?

I use multiple workarounds but this error keep hitting.
I would say Arena is useless now.

[echo aurora]

Would you mind brining your question to #ask-here ?

[thorny schooner]

Honestly i'm probably not going to go use the website too much until something is done about the whole token limitation cuz it just ruins it has just ruined to experience too much for me dramatically

[harsh wolf]

yo siir, Something went wrong with this response, please try again.
is there too many people on claude opus 4.6 thinking rn ?

[echo aurora]

Really sorry to hear that. There may be changes to the current limitation systems in the future, but for now if it's too much to your liking that is your decision to make.

[thorny schooner]

Well that is a understatement but okay

[echo aurora]

Could you ask in #ask-here and write out the issue you're seeing? The bot will respond with troubleshooting steps.

Would note the bot can struggle with screenshots so it's worth typing it out.

[arctic scaffold]

sora shutting down?

[echo aurora]

https://x.com/soraofficialapp/status/2036532795984715896 😭

Sora (@soraofficialapp)

We’re saying goodbye to Sora. To everyone who created with Sora, shared it, and built community around it: thank you. What you made with Sora mattered, and we know this news is disappointing.

We’ll share more soon, including timelines for the app and API and details on

X · Mar 24, 2026, 7:57 PM

[arctic scaffold]

finally some good news

ty

[inner relic]

Chinese video AI wins this round

Now where's seedance 2.0 bro

https://tenor.com/view/rage-angry-communication-gif-17637019732916283735

[toxic verge]

Had to share

[toxic verge]

cracks are starting to show.

[echo aurora]

That last line

[golden ocean]

ruh roh

ill miss openai bro

they gave me sydney bing chat😔

gpt-4-preview-0314 sydney fine tune my beloved

[golden ocean]

wtf

[toxic verge]

man, I said the same exact statement a week ago

See what time it was cause I seen this last year.

That’s what I was talking about

[golden ocean]

im scared of introverts

[toxic verge]

dont be

monsters come in all shapes and sizes

what’s really bad about this technology is the spiral downhill it’s really easy to get desensitized

and customizable content if it’s really addictive

[golden ocean]

ye

addictions are on the rise more and more the more our technology advances

so many people with mental illnesses nowadays

sad

[toxic verge]

I don’t blame these companies
hell I don’t even blame the technology

if anybody’s to blame it us the public

aka id

[nimble tartan]

Appreciate it bro

Yo chat are all of yall into Ai @everyone

[echo aurora]

Hope so, or else not sure why they'd be here

[nimble tartan]

Fax

[echo aurora]

Also note the @ everyone or @ here isn't going to work

[nimble tartan]

Oh ok

Where u from

[toxic verge]

I think we’re in a bubble

[echo aurora]

California

[toxic verge]

west coast baby

[nimble tartan]

Thats dope, so you're an admin here

[echo aurora]

Yeah can't help but think the same when you see news like that

[nimble tartan]

You in west coast?

[echo aurora]

Pretty much, "Community Manager" is my main title

[toxic verge]

West Coast is the best coast

West Coast is

[echo aurora]

hbu?

[nimble tartan]

Thats lit im glad to have someone here who can officially help cuz he know more about Arena

[nimble tartan]

Im in Albania

[toxic verge]

are you having issues with arena?

[golden ocean]

how tf does openai models cause selfharm tho

[toxic verge]

easy, dude

they all do

lol

[nimble tartan]

Yes its not been working properly with generating images

Was giving me errors

[toxic verge]

do these things have so much data it’s impossible to like scrub it all

they got all types of weird data. It’s really weird especially like the more darker side stuff like sometimes I wonder how the hell it knows that.

[golden ocean]

in what way?

like do the models actually give harmful instructions to the user on purpose or tell "mean" stuff? or models try to give helpful advice but it's actually dangerous advice and user blindly follows it? like the classic "believe everything on the internet" thing but all over again with ai?

[toxic verge]

well they can’t give it on purpose because they’re not conscious they have no intent

it’s like saying Google search gave you results for self harm if you looked it up

[nimble tartan]

You mean the image generators

[golden ocean]

yea exactly, theyd have to jailbreak or on purpose give system instructions

[golden ocean]

ye

[toxic verge]

I think jailbreaking is a very misunderstood term

[echo aurora]

For sure, don't hesitate to ping me if you have questions. Would note though our #ask-here channel that'll answer most questions.

[toxic verge]

because it’s a very broad and vague

and it’s not well define

[nimble tartan]

Alright

[golden ocean]

yea, i basically mean, a user giving the model a system prompt that intentionally makes it stray away from the helpful assistant persona, like making gork ur ai girlfriend, or people goonin with gpt 4o

[toxic verge]

is cursing on the same level as

as weapons are fraud

[golden ocean]

true

[toxic verge]

if we use the umbrella jailbreaking that includes everything and that’s not

a good way of measurement because a curse word is not equal to fraud

[nimble tartan]

Chat do yall use Design Arena

I heard it came out lately

[toxic verge]

plus there’s some things that model won’t talk about which is his readily available online information

I find this a form of censorship because it’s easily accessible and it’s often times not illegal

from academic papers or research or whatever the case may be the model outright block it when the Internet has it readily available the model refuses to discuss it, which is extremely stupid

[golden ocean]

if it doesnt refuse to discuss it then it becomes vulnerable to making people do selfharm

[toxic verge]

bro, you gotta understand these things lead to self harm if they could fix it they would but they can’t lol

they’re trying their best

but you know whatever even bigger problem is here

where do users go to discuss these issues or point out some of these risks any platform you posted on is gonna be a terms of service violation

so how the hell are we supposed to make it safer if we can’t talk about it if you can’t share concerns about it

there’s no platform there’s no nowhere you can go to openly discuss it maturely and philosophically and safety and everything in between dude

[golden ocean]

ik

[toxic verge]

so this is what I’m saying so what are we gonna make safer

lol

and don’t give me wrong. It’s not the technology itself.

these things I’ve been going on since go on after

and I believe it’s one of those things that’s never gonna get resolved to be honest

[toxic verge]

it’s the cost of doing business bro

I don’t know for me and my mind. It’s simple because it’s easy to be human.

I think it’s hard to be a robotic

[nimble tartan]

Guys who upgrades Arena.Ai

Who is behind all of this

[buoyant crater]

Hey, i use ai all of the time for medicine stuff, like to get good advices, any prompt or tricks and tipps to get the best answers and good advices?

[nimble tartan]

Bro if u talking about asking ai just go into details with it thats how you can get these answers you want

[golden ocean]

yes

we will live in dystopia or go extinct

YIPPPIEEEE

[echo aurora]

Would check out this blog post if you're interested in learning about the seed funding https://arena.ai/blog/new-lmarena/

[buoyant crater]

The problem is when i dont understand anything and it gives me wrong advices how can i discuss it with him Without having the informations

[subtle trail]

@13void. @13void.

[golden ocean]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/559403230438883351/1215754684199997470/attachment.gif?ex=69c44248&is=69c2f0c8&hm=26a4d05d7328a476d0b3ff5f6fc038ef0ce9daaef52cdb14c1199aca21e94569&

[echo aurora]

Sometimes trial and error is the best path to figure out what is doable.

[subtle trail]

Alguém traduz

[golden ocean]

wasnt there this bio/medicine lmarena

[echo aurora]

There is: https://biomedarena.ai/battle. Can learn more here: https://arena.ai/blog/introducing-biomedarena/

[buoyant crater]

Yea thats true, im still trying to find something against hairloss but nothing good till now 🙁

[echo aurora]

Yes

[golden ocean]

they are also going to rebrand to just arena

[buoyant crater]

So should i use this for Medicine informations? Or just try the normal arena ai and try to get good answers

[echo aurora]

Lol not sure, it's a partnership so I assume isn't our call to make.

[golden ocean]

I love Large Language Models

[nimble tartan]

Depends what you're asking bro

[nimble tartan]

Im not sure i think i read that before tho

[nimble lantern]

guys question, do you have some problem generating pictures (with nano pro) involving disney characters ? in places like disneyland ? copyright and all ?

[stray aspen]

no

[nimble lantern]

I have the traceid error thing

[echo aurora]

Could you follow the steps outlined in this article?

[nimble lantern]

or maybe disney sent a cease and desist to lmarena

[terse schooner]

Does anyone know a free AI API?

[golden ocean]

[MVP++] Dilophosaurus_JP: ?SYNTAX ERROR

[fiery gull]

Aistudio

Gemini

[terse schooner]

free?

[novel spade]

openrouter

[terse schooner]

free?

[novel spade]

dang if its not free why would I recommend it. Google that urself

[terse schooner]

And that's what's showing up, I found it strange.

@novel spade

[novel spade]

It seems like to me you didn't research enough. I just recommend it, not obligated to assist you further

[terse schooner]

Calm down, I'm just asking if it's really free.

[terse schooner]

Because I need it for a project here and I don't have a single real, but relax, I'm not asking for help, just asking this.

[novel spade]

You could've just ask Gemini or any AI about that if its actually free instead asking me, as i don't talk nonsense. Its free but not with unlimited limits, don't expect it to be fully free, but there are free API keys.

[terse schooner]

Okay, thank you. Sorry for anything.

[wicked talon]

Hello!

[toxic verge]

Sup

[wicked talon]

Wth

Gemini is hallucinating

Weirdly

Ok stop.

Yes I know but you shouldn't be rude yourself.

[novel spade]

Check the facts again. If the truth feels like rudeness to you, feel free to block me. I’m here for logic, not to babysit your ego. <@&1349916362595635286>

[wicked talon]

Seriously stop fighting

[shrewd citrus]

I lowkey back @calm sentinel

[wicked talon]

Yes but in my opinion they do not have to be rude back.

[stone mural]

can anyone tell me why is arena free or if its not free where to purchase subscription?

[shrewd citrus]

They get funding from investors and universities

because arena is more like a research project

with super valuable data

[stone mural]

but using claude opus 4.6 is extremely costly.. no?

unlimited or has token limits?

over chats?

[shrewd citrus]

it is costly but I assume the arena has deals with the major ai companies

[shrewd citrus]

Limits

[stone mural]

like?

[shrewd citrus]

I think with thinking you can send 6 messages an hour max

but they can be as long as they want

[stone mural]

ohh

[shrewd citrus]

so more like a message limit rather than a token

[stone mural]

is there a way to increase this limit? But the most gastly thing is why there is no subscription based item..

[shrewd citrus]

nah unfortunately there isn’t

[stone mural]

ahh i see

ngl but I just gave it a simple task of improving a javascript function but its continuously saying something went wrong

and just this way 6 messages were spent

fair enough ig

but i think there's something I am missing

lol i didn't expect claude opus to be this dumb, it is literally spitting emojies everywhere in the code 😆

[viscid cloak]

Login issue anyone? After login and refresh, user status forced to be rolled back to guest

[brisk turret]

what's going on here

we need more moderator presence

[sullen creek]

we need more ai

[silk hamlet]

hlo

[toxic verge]

More ai

So much ai

[clear copper]

Anyone know? How to fix the something went wrong with these response error

[dull dock]

Ggggg

[small oyster]

Hello people. Please consider looking at: #1486296033976778814 message if know what MCP is

[brisk turret]

request: make the output price slider logarithmic or something. atm its linear

[nimble lantern]

I think lmarena is even stricter in terms of copyrights for images

I cannot use characters from disney or popular manga characters

[sour spear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKKN5be_my0
Makes perfect sense, seeing how they're losing against their competitors. Still, after they've pushed this so much, it feels kinda disappointing. Of course this means that GPT-6 will have to be much better than GPT-5, there's no excuse anymore.

[sharp mirage]

Yo

Hi chat

[golden ocean]

I'll let my work speak for itself http://localhost:8000/index.html

[west wyvern]

Damn

Again it

[half mist]

I can’t open the link

[sour spear]

That's because it's a localhost link. Unless we get the index.html directly in chat or hosted on a web service, this will stay a mystery forever. 🙂

[toxic verge]

This should be a study a real world study on how censorship killed the product

[glossy sage]

hello everyone..I`m new here

[south charm]

yay finally the admins make change like I recommended before T_T I'm so proud when my contributition change the website 😄

[south charm]

Hii!!
Do you need any help?

[sullen creek]

what benefits do u get after winning a contest

[south charm]

Free nitro 🤑

[sullen creek]

forever?

[sharp mirage]

Hi

[south charm]

1 month 🤺

[sullen creek]

u can get free 1 month nitro trail

[south charm]

That would be discrod admin give you :)))

[south charm]

yeah

[south charm]

OH NO EVIL LARRY SPAWNED 😭

[sullen creek]

yeah okay pack it up bronano peel

[sharp mirage]

I am inside ur room

[south charm]

Noooooooooooo T_T I'm calling my team

[sharp mirage]

I am in the ceiling

[sullen creek]

https://tenor.com/view/zeusy-oil-beautiful-2mouldy-happy-birthday-gif-6896391504056726288

[sharp mirage]

Catch me if you can

[south charm]

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

FBI come here bois

[sullen creek]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-shigure-ui-dance-cute-dance-love-it-gif-7476885017314776513

[glossy sage]

how do I create a video here?

[sullen creek]

here

[frail plover]

Hello

[sullen creek]

u can only do battles, u cant directly chat with the vide omode

[glossy sage]

alright..thanks

[sullen creek]

no problemo

[glossy sage]

uh-oh..where do I get to the battle mode please?

[sullen creek]

u click on the drop down menu on the bar

when u load into the site u will see it

top left corner

[glossy sage]

this one?

[sullen creek]

lmarena.ai

go here

and click on the video

[hollow ivy]

Is this the research-breakthrough, Demis talked about? #ai-news message

(he said, one or two more algorithmic breakthroughs would be necessary to reach AGI)

[obsidian cargo]

@echo aurora Haven't been able to use Gemini 3 pro image preview in a while, wasnt working for me yesterday either. only the 3.1 flash image works.

[rigid copper]

can't they just add dedicated stop or abort button to prevent infinite generation without creating a new chat?

[obsidian cargo]

There is but it's not always there

[wanton jungle]

Are arena is out?

[rigid copper]

there used to be a stop button, but i refreshed the tab by accident so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wanton jungle]

Everything worked

Thanks for this service

[lucid frost]

Has there just been an update to the content moderation services?

[echo aurora]

No I don't believe there has been a recent change to the content filter

[echo aurora]

Sorry to say this is a known bug, we are looking into a fix

[echo aurora]

Are you still seeing this?

[echo aurora]

We do, but there is a known bug where the stop button won't appear under some circumstances. This is likely what is happening here sorry to say

[echo aurora]

Okay will take a look

[lucid frost]

Because I get messages "Something went wrong with this response, please try again" almost 1 time out of 5 when using the Gemini 3.5 flash image

[obsidian cargo]

gemini 3.5?

[wanton jungle]

it seems to be normal now, thank you, but google image Ai models often display an error, unfortunately, but thank you for the great service

[lucid frost]

Sorry 3.1

[obsidian cargo]

lmao thats what I thought. 3.1 has been failing for me a bit too and 3 hasn't succeeded in a while

[south charm]

goto #ai-creations, not this

[obsidian cargo]

no, ai creations isn't the right place either. there's no bot for generating videos on this server anymore

ai creations is for sharing creations, not prompting them

[south charm]

still true

[primal shell]

I wanna book slots for T3

I wanna book slots for T3

[south charm]

t3 what?

[primal shell]

Wanna play T3 , bgmi scrims 😑😑

@south charm

[south charm]

idk 😛

[south charm]

ths?

[primal shell]

Yuppppp

[lucid frost]

Could it be a bug with Gemini?

[echo aurora]

Sometimes it can be a bit unclear if it's intended for #ai-creations or looking for video area

[obsidian cargo]

the prompt was definitely one for making a video out of an image

[echo aurora]

We did see a spike in error messages earlier this morning, it's appearing to stabilize, I'm keep an eye on it and will report if it starts to trend in the opposite direction. I'd give it a little bit of time before using again.

[lucid socket]

hi

[echo aurora]

Appreciate the flag

[echo aurora]

Yeah I'd agree, I'm talking more generally

[echo aurora]

Hello

[echo aurora]

I'm not sure, could use some more information. Would you mind creating a post in #1343291835845578853 and provider more details on what you're seeing?

[echo aurora]

Glad to hear it's normal! Would note this article if you're getting a Something went wrong error message: https://help.arena.ai/articles/1645798556-lmarena-how-to-something-went-wrong-with-this-response-error-message

[lucid frost]

I'll try again later because I don't have time right now and I'll let you know what happens. But let's say I just tried the same prompts in Gemini and it doesn't reject the request. And surprisingly, the bug on Arena affects almost all my old chats... 🤔

[echo aurora]

Okay no rush, but yeah when you get a chance if you could explain further (screenshots always help) in a bug post that'd be appreciated.

[lucid frost]

Maybe it's just temporary. I hope at least ☺️

[lucid socket]

Hello :ablobwave:

[sharp mirage]

Hi chat

[main plover]

Why was the option to delete a chat removed and replaced with “archive”?

[echo aurora]

Oh hey

[sharp mirage]

Hi 👋

[echo aurora]

There are times users would like to clean up their sidebars a bit more, without deleting the chat session.

This article will show you how to delete a chat session: https://help.arena.ai/articles/9130232616-how-to-delete-your-chat-sessions-and-data-from-lmarena?lang=en

[sharp mirage]

Anyone expecting a new ai model ?

[thorny schooner]

Hope you all are doing good

[main plover]

ty

[echo aurora]

Hope the same for you!

[velvet forge]

well, waiting for suno api, so arena gonna have the leaderboard for music generation if there's gonna be

[velvet forge]

there's now 2 leaders i think, lyria is still climbing but google released lyria 3 pro

[gleaming kettle]

everytime gona error

[thorny schooner]

Is it just me or does anyone else find it almost how comedic the token limitation change was with how dramatic it was lmao in terms of effect

[gleaming kettle]

Something went wrong with this response, please try again.

Trace ID: 6bc35244-0c3a

[mossy galleon]

Can anyone suggest how to bypass the moderation for image generations 😁

[echo aurora]

Hey @gleaming kettle can you follow the steps outlined here: https://help.arena.ai/articles/1645798556-lmarena-how-to-something-went-wrong-with-this-response-error-message

[echo aurora]

bypass the moderation
You don't

But would recommend making adjustments so it does work.

Worth noting if you have a prompt that you suspect is falsely being flagged, we are collecting those examples in #1447983134426660894 so don't hesitate to share there.

[mossy galleon]

Adjustments like?

[echo aurora]

Like changing the prompt so it's not going to be flagged my content moderation.

[mossy galleon]

I guess, untill it's not completely n*de. It may not be flagged.

But it gets flagged.. lol

[mossy galleon]

Hmm..

[harsh wolf]

yo sir, where i can suggest for arena ? like add the function of rename conversation please 🙂

[gleaming kettle]

no work

[steep stump]

How can I convert image to video?

[echo aurora]

If the troubleshooting steps didn't work, you'll want to provide the Trace ID to the form that's in the same article.

[echo aurora]

#1372230675914031105 is the ideal place for that! Thanks for checking first.

rename conversation please
Would note this request is very much on our radar. Overall improvements to chat conversation sidebar organization/customization is something we plan to build out.

[crisp trellis]

How can I create video with discord?

[echo aurora]

Would you mind asking in #ask-here ? cc @steep stump

[gleaming kettle]

i can send id here why?

[echo aurora]

That's how we'd prefer to collect these.

Keeps things more organized and easier to manage.

[fiery raft]

does anyone else cant use the ai at all? it gives errors?

with any ai

[sterile rapids]

easy: ask grok to change your prompt to be more sfw. It works

[echo aurora]

What error message are you seeing?

[empty sky]

Pineapple helps better than chatgpt somehow

Except without the "sound plausible" thing

[echo aurora]

Some think I am chatgpt (can't confirm nor deny)

[wicked talon]

Perplexity is quite good for help.

[empty sky]

Perplexity is like claude search

[gleaming kettle]

i send in your dm ?

[empty sky]

Chatgpt is less helpful in the sense of truthfulness

[gleaming kettle]

core why you utiliate ollama pohoto?

[empty sky]

What

[gleaming kettle]

ollama lms

[empty sky]

U asking why I have ollama pfp

Im the co developer of ollama

[echo aurora]

If you'd like to reach out privately you can send a DM to @oak python. But would ask to not send the Trace ID there.

[empty sky]

Jk I thought the pfp was cute

[echo aurora]

No disagreement from me

[empty sky]

It makes people go off guard during application forms

And I get 2x multiplier

[gleaming kettle]

you utilizaty?

[fiery raft]

59aa1471-68bd

[gleaming kettle]

id 89128391267397123012846197832710837923

[fiery raft]

this

[empty sky]

Idk what that meane

If you asking about if my name or username is utilizaty no

[echo aurora]

You'll want to submit this to the form that's in this article: https://help.arena.ai/articles/1544829667-how-to-create-videos-with-video-arena cc @gleaming kettle

[echo aurora]

Would note too this doesn't look like a Trace ID.

[fiery raft]

how is this related to this?

i literally typed a prompt

[fiery raft]

for r0bl0x

[gray oyster]

What's with gemini 3 flash lately

[echo aurora]

If you're seeing that Trace ID I assume you're getting a Something went wrong error?

[fiery raft]

probably

ye it is

anything i type with any model

gives me this

but only wiht one scripting prompt tho

[echo aurora]

Okay then yeah I'd try the steps in this article. If it's happening with every prompt I suspect it's either:

• Remove any browser extensions that may be effecting Arena
• Set your system's date/time to the current date/time

[surreal zephyr]

Arc agi 3 is probably the dumbest benchmark ever

[terse shuttle]

wow

[surreal zephyr]

ARC-AGI-3:
where superhuman performance is rounded down, subhuman performance is squared into the floor, average humans probably look terrible too, and the official leaderboard forbids the wrapper that makes the model actually work.
“Unbeaten benchmark,” btw.

[thorny schooner]

I have said this before about verification but I will say this again I seriously do think it does need to be changed since it just it seems to not not just be me but various others people having issues with a recent increase frequency of verifications request

[echo aurora]

Yeah this is a concern and frustration the community has. There is work to be done with the current system.

[thorny schooner]

Or maybe better yet replace with a different one since it seems to be a system-wide recent Edition glitch al at the bedroom I'm just saying I think it needs to be considered for a replacement like I do understand why such a safeguard is needed but this one is obviously starting to fire back

[obsidian cargo]

man claude opus is failing a lot right now, but I think that's on anthropic's side not arena, it's failing on claude.ai too

[gleaming roost]

https://019d2708-3da9-79bd-a9e0-e8c3549d501d.arena.site/

ROOM CODE: TBPVVX

[sour spear]

Google has upgraded Lyria 3 in Gemini to create up to 3 minutes long songs. 🔥
"A 60s style folk rock song without lyrics, but with a choir and lots of 'aaaaaah' and 'oooooh'."

[echo aurora]

Are you seeing status code 429?

[echo aurora]

ooooo what is this?

[obsidian cargo]

can't remember. mighta been. unfortunately it doesn't save status codes if you refresh the page.

[echo aurora]

Wow this is awesome

What model made it?

[echo aurora]

I'll look into and flag to the team if I'm seeing something out of the ordinary

[obsidian cargo]

👍

[echo aurora]

Yeah not seeing anything strange. Would recommend to submit a Trace ID.

[obsidian cargo]

will do if it fails again 👍

I'd submitted a few trace IDs before

but not consistently

[graceful wasp]

what happend to the server

where do i submite the prompts

[obsidian cargo]

arena.ai

[graceful wasp]

to get results

[echo aurora]

The Video Arena Discord bot has been removed from the server. You can find Video Arena on our site here: https://arena.ai/video More information can be found in this announcement about the removal of the bot.

[graceful wasp]

i cant fine it

[echo aurora]

It's been removed.

[gleaming roost]

Thanks. claude-opus-4-6

[graceful wasp]

oh thank you

[echo aurora]

CEO is a fan

[deft spruce]

Hey Gemini 3 pro is not working is it just me?

[gleaming roost]

that's pretty cool, wonder what they think of it

[deft spruce]

Trace id:5c0f14af-d0be

[echo aurora]

Can you submit the Trace ID to the form in this article?

[thorny schooner]

Also I just realized is anyone's else having an issue where if you do the verification request but you tried to go to the audio version it almost always o will go to a error ( i forgot the exact words but basically where it stops giving to options and just tells you you went over past the firing rate limit)Even with happening even when I do it only after trying two times on the reverification

[golden ocean]

Bigfoot

[plush pagoda]

Wassup guys

[echo aurora]

Yo

[plush pagoda]

How's going 😀

[echo aurora]

Going well, hbu?

[plush pagoda]

Great 👍🏻

[thorny schooner]

?

[honest verge]

Where is deepseek v4

It doesn't exist?

[velvet forge]

yes

there's gonna be news about it

[sharp marsh]

Holy sh opus 4.6 is unusable

Time outs EVERY TIME

Yall devs really dont listen to us users

[hardy lion]

I'm not seeing time outs "every time" in the logs, thinking and non thinking are both up for me right now
do you have any conversation ids you'd be willing to share where you ran into a lot of timeouts?

[sharp marsh]

If you send a very complex prompt it will timeout

After 8 minutes of thinking

Of course it wont timeout if you say smth like "calculate 2x2"

[toxic verge]

https://youtu.be/HUfgC4utTWc?si=h5wAc_fyDE5DHGwt

[sharp marsh]

?

[toxic verge]

Damn, the chick got paid 3 million for her addiction on social media lol

[hardy lion]

[long siren]

Lmarena in 2050

[jade egret]

opnion on ARC-AGI-3?

[storm dust]

yes i will ruin it

[harsh pasture]

When I restart a conversation and the AI ​​is responding, the AI ​​stops talking, the entire response is deleted and it freezes, preventing me from sending messages.

[hardy lion]

😭

[limpid tendon]

Guys how do i continue chat

I reached limit and cant extract code cuz of this

[toxic verge]

https://youtu.be/wkpUQG7hPNo?si=g7HulEt32IO96BSI

[viral birch]

.

[crimson kraken]

How to make ai generated image on discord?

[lilac ruin]

.

[empty sky]

WHO REMOVED MAI IMAGE DAMN IT

[empty sky]

It is not supported anymore

NO

Wait a second I can just take a screenshot

And for image

Ok ngl I think that's only for video

[empty sky]

Use #ask-here

[long siren]

@echo aurora Is there any way to actually export a chat from lmarena

[candid temple]

hi!

where can i buy this ia?

[weak dagger]

Sir you dont need to pay for this ai, its free.

[candid temple]

Yes, but i want to generate more videos in a single day

[long siren]

Use other accounts?

[long siren]

Anyone knows how to export a chat bcs if I try pressing ctrl+a and then ctrl+c it copies pretty odd idk why, it basically puts the recent prompts first then the middle proptms in top and starting prompts in mid like wtf

[long siren]

Where did the receptionist go 🙁

[steel shadow]

does anybody know what are we supposed to do with the trace id code that appears now when "something goes wrong with the response"?

[golden ocean]

weave

[fair zodiac]

Hii

[golden ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/blahaj-shonk-attack-camera-dive-shark-gif-14344361424253681658

[loud folio]

I don't understand why Claude opus 4.6 is always giving errors on Code Arena.

[loud herald]

<@&1349916362595635286>

It was sent in all the channels

[opal osprey]

WHEN IS THE API COMING RAHH

and the .txt upload feature aswell

[tribal zealot]

hello

[surreal zephyr]

lol bugged level is crazy

[golden ocean]

ai slop

[loud herald]

API would be awesome with arena

[loud herald]

You're in an AI dedicated server what aren you even saying

[loud herald]

Which model was this

[foggy surge]

Are you playing as a human? or model

[golden ocean]

"ai slop"

[surreal zephyr]

As human

The optimal route doesnt get detected by the game on tha level

So if a model beats it faster than the intended way, the level doesnt count that lmao

Like you can beat the riddle twice faster because they didnt double check for this workaround

[hazy marlin]

I find it funny that people are celebrating the removal of Sora AI and the "AI bubble is finally bursting" Sora was mid anyways and thats like a grain of sand among a whole desert of AI models

It's not like the likes of china is ever going to stop with AI

[surreal zephyr]

you can reach the thing using left piston not center piston but game deosnt count

[surreal zephyr]

do you even know why sora was removed 💀

[hazy marlin]

nah i just saw their tweet only

[surreal zephyr]

its because gpt 5.5o is so good they are redirecting all compute to that 🤣

[hazy marlin]

fair enough

honestly seedance 2.0 is currently the state of the art

sadly its like finding a needle in middle of a haystack

even the site that I used to use it on got it removed because the servers got so fired

[surreal zephyr]

its cool but video generation is kinda useless

[hazy marlin]

not for me, It can be fun to mess around with, but currently it is still very noticable that its AI from the noise movement, when AI figures out how to make images and videos not mushy on small details and movement thats when AI will have a generational breakthrough

even nano banana pro mushes on small details

[surreal zephyr]

thats exactly what i said - its fun but useless

where coding agents are actually useful

[hazy marlin]

oh i didnt see the cool lmao

[surreal zephyr]

image generators are usable for real life purposes

[hazy marlin]

I use claude for that mostly

[surreal zephyr]

video generators? maybe if they werent that bad they would be usable too

[hazy marlin]

it would be good to make your own series and for people who are unable to to finally get their idea out there and not actual slop

but current video gens are far away from that

[surreal zephyr]

lyria is good tbh, but thats only sound not video

[hazy marlin]

oh when it comes to music I use Udio AI, i have yet to see a music AI that has as good of a clear audio as Udio but sadly Udio was messed up

[surreal zephyr]

lyria is best

producer.ai

[hazy marlin]

i have entered producer ai from a long wait but havent messed with it yet

[hazy marlin]

lyria is quite repetitive the 30s version at least

i havent tried lyria pro

[surreal zephyr]

heres some stuff made with lyria https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVsLntqSvkOLxmArYkI6G4WUc9ixGVmgT

[hazy marlin]

thats pro?

[latent apex]

Discord newbie here so apologies if I'm asking in the wrong place: sometimes, when I ask a question and view the 2 answers, one of the two answers (say, A) looks promising and I want to ask a follow up question to that. That followup question is actually addressed only to A and would probably be meaningless for B. Is there a way to follow up only with A, just ask the followup question as if B isn't involved?

[surreal zephyr]

3 pro and 3 are same model, pro is literally just extended track duration

basically 3. uses same model just forced to do 30s not 184s

[hazy marlin]

oooooh i see

thats decent results but it does have a little bit or repetition

[surreal zephyr]

better than most songs iv seen tbf

[hazy marlin]

yeah tbh it has good audio quality

last time i tried it with ambience etc it was quite repetitive with the instruments choice maybe i will give it another chance

[surreal zephyr]

making a prompt for it is like casino

thats the biggest problem tbh

[plucky island]

deepseek v4 is coming

[surreal zephyr]

deepseeks are bad tbh

they arent even properly multimodal iirc

[wicked sage]

?

[novel spade]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[hazy marlin]

Mods annihilate him accordingly

[hazy marlin]

this the type of silly stuff seedance 2.0 was able to generate

[fossil socket]

Ok this is getting ridiculous

That new cutting on tokens means my long chats is literally none existent now

Like wtf

[plucky island]

still, more open models is always good for competition
deepseek r1 is still remembered by people as the first massive competitor to closed ai, not even llama or qwen could claim it then
of course, things have changed a lot so meh

[fossil socket]

Also that literally means I can't use this reliably now of me recording a Pokemon playthrough I do

Like come on

Honestly the lack of a changelog is literally a major issue with a website like this

[fossil socket]

Those tend to get really, really long

[novel badge]

Anyone's arena out?

[surreal zephyr]

Qwen is much better

Qwen 27b is literally SOTA tier

Beats gemini 3.1 in some tasks

[proud bobcat]

No new leaderboards??

[proud bobcat]

Real

[toxic verge]

Seed dream 2.0 out just dropped

[magic imp]

🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂

Bro is anyone know why lmarena is not generating image now?

@echo aurora hey bro grok image imagine (image edit version) again stop working!!

[toxic verge]

https://seed.bytedance.com/en/seedance2_0

[knotty ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-jerry-tom-e-jerry-mouse-gnam-gif-15123486425933471953

[magic imp]

Bro..?? Something went wrong with arena....first of all grok image imagine is not working and another thing is..... In battle mode in image edit I am getting infinite waiting time!

[blazing warren]

Try using a different account or browser. If that doesn't work, sometimes the system is overloaded and unfortunately there's nothing we can do about it.

[obsidian cargo]

what the heck the "try now" button is there on the mobile site and it links to dreamina capcut where it gives me access to seedance 2.0
but on desktop the try now button is gone and when I go to dreamina capcut there's no seedance 2.0 XO
… and then I logged in on mobile and seedance 2.0 disappeared :C

[toxic verge]

Yeah it’s kind of a mess right now. I know what you mean. I can’t figure out either.

[obsidian cargo]

I guess it's still rolling out

[obsidian cargo]

the try now button is visible on desktop now so ????

[cold oxide]

Same... It's showing that something went wrong with this response and when I switched to another same

Does anyone have the issue that I'm facing rn ?

[long siren]

Do you know how to export a chat from lmarena any way to?

[magic imp]

I tried another account too and another browser too

[magic imp]

Bro it was happening 3 days before too but it get fixed so.....yaah it's happening because of few update and all so.... Don't worry it will be fix in few hour or day

[magic imp]

Screenshot is only a way 😂

[cold oxide]

Thanks man 🫂

[echo aurora]

Will take a look and flag to the team if we're seeing anything off. Would encourage you to use the #1343291835845578853 channel for reporting bugs or #ask-here for troubleshooting steps on what to do when getting errors.

[golden ocean]

i think gork image models got nuked bro by xAI themselves after all the lawsuits
nvm that cant be true because it should still work on grok.com

[echo aurora]

Good question. There isn't a way to split the response to only go to either A or B. I'll update our help center articles so the information is available.

[opal osprey]

i would want it to be paid but with a free tier too

[echo aurora]

IIRC there was something related to going premium but I don't think that had an effect on Arena.

[opal osprey]

for example 500 requests per week

[opal osprey]

do AI companies pay you ffor the leaderboard stats?

[echo aurora]

Although it does look like the model is struggling. Thank you for the flag @magic imp

[loud herald]

Why would you want it paid?

[opal osprey]

as a second source of income

[opal osprey]

to show some support to the platform because it isnt cheap after all

[loud herald]

The site itself is free with rate limits the API would be no different because the API would run from the site

[opal osprey]

and you have loads of models

[loud herald]

This platform is being funded they don't need our money, which is why they don't ask

[opal osprey]

AI models like kimi and gemini you pay to use API for their flash model

wich is free on the site

[loud herald]

Yes, thats why they're APIs and like I said they're funded

Its the same with yupp ai site, any of these sites

[opal osprey]

i see

good point

[loud herald]

They're funded to give accurate benchmarks thats the reason for them

[opal osprey]

honestly the most important thing for me is the ability to upload .txt and .zip

[loud herald]

I just want a CLI version of arena

Well I guess thats like antigravity

Or cursor

[opal osprey]

YEAH

[pale blaze]

Nothing. And I doubt this will ever change. Essentially, we can now say goodbye to long chats (roleplay, work, and so on). The site is no longer suitable for such things. All we can do in this situation is simply accept it. I myself am apathetic after the token limit was limited.

[opal osprey]

god it would br so good

choosing any ai model you want

at your fingertips

[loud herald]

Cursor has that

I pay for cursor though, $20 of monthly API credits thats how they do that

But they have their composer 2 and its not bad, its not good for things that codex or claude can do but it gets things done

I am turning to local AI now though

Building my own

[opal osprey]

wow that must be hard

fine tuning?

or improvments?

[loud herald]

Using AI to make it is not 🤣

[opal osprey]

[echo aurora]

Just me or were others auto logged out of Arena just now?

[loud herald]

I wasnt

[echo aurora]

I'm getting the login loop bug too 😭

[loud herald]

Oh boy

[echo aurora]

Okay, good.

[opal osprey]

im good

[loud herald]

I use cursors composer for the files and gemini fast for the prompts

I am building a model to self improve itself to make itself faster

[opal osprey]

ah i see

[loud herald]

2 agents in one model

[sullen creek]

@echo aurora opus 4.6 thinking only thinks for 1 second?

[loud herald]

A 5M parameter vision and 10 parameter transformer

15M parameter

SMALL

[opal osprey]

its that good i guess?

[sullen creek]

its for all the prompts

[loud herald]

But it adjusts its own code

Godel

[opal osprey]

wow

[echo aurora]

This is a feature we'd like to bring to the platform. I couldn't give an estimated timeframe, but it's very understandable why this would be beneficial to have. cc @long siren

[loud herald]

I am also testing a new concept I haven't heard of so idk if I was the first or not but its basically a gate ina way to stop the AI from overfitting

While training

Like in a way

Idk I need a better way of explaining its depth

[sullen creek]

perfect image

[opal osprey]

if you were to guess, what features are on the top of the waiting list to add for the website? like for the web devs.

[opal osprey]

true

[loud herald]

Literally

I mean fineweb to train your models is an easy way to train but its lazy

Thats why AI for a long time had bad practices at coding

[opal osprey]

i dont vibe code but i like to test out stuff. i always force it to read docs website i choose

[echo aurora]

Difficult question to answer as I wouldn't have to guess, but also unable to share details about what is coming up. So if I were to answer I'd just be intentionally not telling the truth lol

[opal osprey]

and warn it in the end with "any response that doesn't comply with the rules i listed will be considered invalid"

[loud herald]

Yea, I vibe code with it heavy, its the only way I know how to code lmaoo

[opal osprey]

lmaoo

[sullen creek]

chatgpt and claude are lowkey just very sophisticated search engine

[loud herald]

That talks back to you 😹

Thats all

[opal osprey]

i dont have much time to learn coding but i guess i feel like vibe coding atleast for now isn't reliable

unless you make the prompts strict

[loud herald]

No its certainly reliable, I've been trying to vibe code for 3-4 years now since ChatGPT had gotten big basically lol compared to then its definitely good enough for projects

Yk

The CEO of Anthropic said that Claude is coded 90% by itself

[opal osprey]

wow hailuo 2.3 is REALLY good at videos

[loud herald]

They use claude to code claude

[opal osprey]

chatgpt for coding is not the best option

[opal osprey]

wow

ironic

[loud herald]

Codex 5.3 is though

But

[sullen creek]

for the long term chatgpt is cause like, claude is hella expensive

[loud herald]

Models are either front end or backend, its almost never both

[opal osprey]

claude is a token monster

[loud herald]

Claude Opus 4.6 is Frontend and Codex 5.3 is Backend

Claude just thinks too much

Thats why its a token monster

[opal osprey]

Honestly

for me its both

Claude is

good at frontend

and backend

atleast imo

[sullen creek]

claude is way better than chatgpt, but the only problem u have to pay like 200$ just to get any meaningfull projects from it

since sora is shutting down, maybe openai will allocate more compute to codex and chatgpt?

[loud herald]

I would say its better but chatgpt beats it in backend, but overall claude is better yes

And claude is a one shot AI thats why

[fast kite]

Hi everyone. Captcha with problem again

[opal osprey]

i made a project with it on the free plan

[sullen creek]

opus or sonnett?

[loud herald]

They said they were moving away from side projects like that and focusing on main projects

Because chatgpt now is at a complete loss

[sullen creek]

they are planning on a ipo pretty soon

[loud herald]

Codex is being beaten by claude and GPT is being beaten by Gemini

In general chatbot

They are literally just losing

[opal osprey]

it was

painful

[sullen creek]

gemini is really bad right now

[opal osprey]

just like openai?

[loud herald]

They are gonna put atlas codex and I forgot the other one all together into one too

[opal osprey]

oh i thought you were tlaking about anthropic

[sullen creek]

no no openai is going ipo

not sure about anthrophic

[loud herald]

Gemini for general chatbot beats GPT

Wait wdym ipo?

Whats IPO not abbreviated

[sullen creek]

basically, a intial public offering where a company lists its stocks in the stock market for people to buy shares and own the company

like Nvidia, apple, microsoft

[opal osprey]

the deal with the dep of war

[loud herald]

Ohhh okay

[opal osprey]

was really good for them

[loud herald]

So going public

That makes sense

[opal osprey]

the amount of subscriptions good

[loud herald]

They go bankrupt if they don't

Anthropic will too if they don't go public

[opal osprey]

i cant even believe that they made the 2x usage for two actual weeks

[opal osprey]

yeah they dont have funding

chatgpt became so bad because theyre upload limit is ridiculous

[loud herald]

They do from the military, they still ended up making a deal with the US after their crybaby stuff

[sullen creek]

didnt the us dep of war switch to openai?

[loud herald]

These AI companies are PRAYING for things to come out like bitnet because it will lower cost significantly

[opal osprey]

yes

[loud herald]

Bitnet is so crazy though

[sullen creek]

chinese models are catching up

glm 5 i think its SOTA for them?

[loud herald]

Go from like 2 TB of Vram to run their models and bitnet would make it 200 GB with same brain just quantized

But

Training is what is killing the companies

[opal osprey]

what is bitnet?

[sullen creek]

its better to increase inference compute than compared to training compute

[opal osprey]

kimi is good

[loud herald]

Because for just a 1T parameter model it takes 18TB of Vram LOL

[opal osprey]

and z.ai

oh boy z.ai is crazy

[loud herald]

They just gotta stop scaling

Thats why its so expensive

The scaling

[opal osprey]

WHAT IS BITNET !!!

[loud herald]

Start looping

[sullen creek]

they scale not because there is alot of people using ai but because more scaling = more training = more smarter

just brute forcing

[loud herald]

Bitnet makes a model a LOT smaller to run while having the same like abilities it had when it was say 1T parameters

[loud herald]

It was never because of how many people use it, yes sure its more training but looping is the same

Agentic Looping

But what they are going after when it comes to training is self training where you just have a model teaching itself

OR

What they do too is have a teacher model

[sullen creek]

isnt that just reinforcement learning?

[loud herald]

A giant model a 1T param model teaching a 70B param model

[loud herald]

Probably lol idk the name of it

But so much is coming out every single day for this stuff

[sullen creek]

i dont think thats how it works

[loud herald]

I'd say like if you have a PC and any GPU start trying models locally

It will save money

[sullen creek]

the 70b paremter cannot match the performance of the 1T model because it is physically smaller than the 1T model

[loud herald]

I have a 1660 Super with 6GB of vram and am budgeting and finding ways to develop models

[loud herald]

Thats why the 1T param model teaches it its knowledge, I didn't say stuff about performance

Because yea

Realistically a 70B param model is not performing like a 1T

BUT

Thats also where bitnet can come in

[sullen creek]

there has to be some drawbacks right

[loud herald]

Using bitnet is compressing the model which you'd think it would right

Its like converting an mov to an mp4

It loses so much MB but virtually is the same

You wont see a difference

[sullen creek]

well I am not exactly that educated in the technical aspects as to how that would work

im sure it cant be that easy

i dont think you can zip ai models like that

[loud herald]

Thats what bitnet is lol

[opal osprey]

damn i have a

[loud herald]

bitnet 1.58

[opal osprey]

pre sandy bridge era

cpu

[sullen creek]

so why isnt openai using bitnet

or claude

[opal osprey]

if i even make my pc think about a local ai model it will blow up

[opal osprey]

dumber?

[loud herald]

Because I understand where you're coming from IOJ why wouldn't it have drawbacks but idk I havent seen why I will look in a second

[loud herald]

Bitnet is released by google I believe, I think thats a pride thing lmaoo but also bitnet is new

[sullen creek]

I mean if big companies arent using it, there must be some big drawbacks

[loud herald]

Which GPU do you have?

[loud herald]

They aren't going to immediately put a brand new thing on their models and call it a day lol

Ykwim?

Thats why I mentioned that it was new

[sullen creek]

so basically this is just quantization?

[loud herald]

yes

[fresh flint]

Ehe~ te nandayo?

[loud herald]

Also

Quantization of pre-trained models

[fresh flint]

What the f is Quantization of pre-trained models

[loud herald]

So it doesn't figure out the problem with spending absurd money on training

But it does for running

[sullen creek]

gotcha

[loud herald]

Also bitnet is made more for people with local AI running if you ask me

[sullen creek]

the only real use of local ai would be agentic tasks

like openclaw

[loud herald]

For me its unfiltered AI

I want to make a coding agent and complete the dream i've tried since I started vibe coding

Its actually low though LOL

[sullen creek]

what is it?

[loud herald]

Developing cheats for games

I always wanted to, for some reason it really gave me a dopamine spike when using cheats in games and thats kinda what I'd use it for lol

[sullen creek]

cheat engine?

[loud herald]

Nahh because cheat engine is detectable

I mean like

Making memory readers in cpp and spoofcalls

Memory readers are for ESP and Aimbot, literally just steals the memory from the game and a spoofcall bypasses an anti cheat

But yea thats all

LOL

I also

Want to make breakthroughs with AI in general

When I turn 18 I want to get a job at one of the bigger AI companies, I need a resume for that

[sullen creek]

ohh thats really cool

[loud herald]

AI is just so intriguing to me and I want to improve it

[crimson ivy]

You're not alone here

[loud herald]

So glad I'm not LOL, the only thing holding me back right now is my GPU

Gotta upgrade

But upgrading would mean my entire PC

[crimson ivy]

Resell cheats

then make them

Worked for me

Its illegal to make cheats but It's my way of living ;D

Only if you get caught you switch careers

[loud herald]

Yuppp

[loud herald]

Thats why you sell them saying "You purchase this at the risk of yourself and no one else"

It wont fall onto you

[crimson ivy]

They still sue cheat developers

[loud herald]

Mannnn

Then you shut it down and make a new business LOL

[crimson ivy]

I had a friend on discord. He got sued by epic

[loud herald]

I think selling them is cool, but I also think making my own personal ones and ones for my friends is even cooler

[loud herald]

I'm not shocked

[crimson ivy]

Ediz Atas

[loud herald]

Oh dang that was recent

I mean I'd be butthurt too if my anti cheat was one of the worst of all time

[crimson ivy]

Well he did bypass them

xD

Hes now an anticheat dev

Imagine

[loud herald]

LOL

Well

Gotta know how to hack to be able to cyber security

Thats why Openai has their cyber security thing

[crimson ivy]

Well now EAC can't be bypassed

Sadly

Play 1-6 days and get banned

[loud herald]

Damn

[toxic verge]

How does that make sense?

If the large language models get good enough to make cheats or cheat engines for video games or whatever wouldn’t they also be used defensively to prevent the very same thing?

[visual panther]

could arena create a cheat for tf2

[compact sage]

Does AI Max chat have limits?

[visual panther]

Now

[echo aurora]

It's worth checking with our Terms of Use. I'm unable to give official interpretations of our Terms. I'd recommend that you review these documents yourself or consult with an advisor to make a determination.

[echo aurora]

There are rate limits for the modalities, so yes it's possible to hit some kind of limit when using it.

[compact sage]

Is it possible to increase it somehow?

[echo aurora]

We do have the levers to increase (or decrease) limits, but it's not something we adjust upon request.

[compact sage]

Is it possible to purchase extensions to the number of requests?

[echo aurora]

There is not sorry to say.

[visual panther]

Why do u add limits

Now

I cant even put pics

[toxic verge]

I finally found the proper term gentleman

For the stupidity of AI

Utilitarian stupidity in the context of "RoboCop" refers to the film's critique of a society that prioritizes efficiency and profit over human values, often leading to absurd and harmful outcomes. The movie satirizes how corporate interests can overshadow ethical considerations, resulting in a dehumanized and dysfunctional world.

may operate under simplistic or flawed decision-making frameworks that prioritize efficiency or utility over deeper ethical considerations. This can lead to outcomes that are harmful or unjust, reflecting a lack of true understanding or moral reasoning in their actions.

[wicked sage]

god DAMN its close

wtf

[surreal zephyr]

wait wasnt grok #1 on search? since when it felt

[hoary elbow]

I think at one point in time that did happen

I vividly remember

[surreal zephyr]

also claude models cant even access reddit how they even are on the leaderboard lmao

[toxic verge]

Explain?

Why would Reddit be important here?

[surreal zephyr]

claude models are blacklisted from using reddit

[toxic verge]

I understand I remember reading something like that

[surreal zephyr]

which is literally best source ever when used correctly

its like stack overflow but the users arent detached from reality

[toxic verge]

Hmm. That’s what I thought you meant.

That’s an interesting perspective that you correlate that with the leaderboard

[surreal zephyr]

like stack overflow but usable

[soft iron]

Any leaderboard for song generation ?

[surreal zephyr]

meanwhile gpt is allowed to access all websites, BUT it preferes only verified sources

so it can sometimes miss some information, but overall is more trustworthy

[toxic verge]

Same with Google

They scrub it anyways

Because if you go on the Reddit for any of these top models

Besides Claude, I haven’t seen as much, but with all the other ones nothing but complaints about how crappy the models have become

lol

[next thistle]

In the Battle mode, Agent A has error Agent B wrong result generating.
Please fix this developer.

[echo aurora]

claude models cant even access reddit
Why is that the case? TIL

[rustic cape]

Is there any way to have unlimited nano banana?

[toxic verge]

They don’t wanna pay

[echo aurora]

If you can explain the error you're seeing in #ask-here that'd be appreciated.

[surreal zephyr]

because reddit sued anthropic

[toxic verge]

Yeah, there’s something wrong with some of the image generators

And perplexity

[surreal zephyr]

so anthropic blacklisted reddit access as whole

to comply

[echo aurora]

There is not.

[toxic verge]

I don’t think Reddit gonna be around in the next 10 years

[echo aurora]

I missed that news.

[toxic verge]

That’s why they stop making their API public

[echo aurora]

That's interesting

[next thistle]

@echo aurora See this

[surreal zephyr]

i tested api, cowork, claude code, cli, app, web, ect

[toxic verge]

https://youtu.be/-OQsNAHPdzM?si=VO9La6zvfCRUHVz5

[surreal zephyr]

all are blacklisted.
search, direct fetch, ect

[toxic verge]

Reddit is not profitable

But it has become profitable since AI like Google and ChatGPT pay it now

The concern is once they eat all the data

[echo aurora]

Yeah this is a generic error message, if you mention in #ask-here ~"I'm getting a something went wrong error message" you'll get a response explaining some troubleshooitng steps.

[toxic verge]

Reddit will become pretty much useless

[next thistle]

Ok

[toxic verge]

What we were seeing is the deconstruction of human made content

[surreal zephyr]

@echo aurora see this

[toxic verge]

Into synthetic generated customizable content

Yeah, trying to protect itself

https://mashable.com/article/reddit-perplexity-lawsuit

This was a while back

https://www.lex18.com/science-and-tech/artificial-intelligence/reddit-calls-out-ai-bank-robbers-in-new-lawsuit-against-perplexity

🤣

But it’s really clever what perplexity did

Which also raises the whole set of ethical questions

[surreal zephyr]

scam

boooo!

[toxic verge]

Too bad there’s not an AI that could stop that

[surreal zephyr]

reddit is awful place to train on

unless you cherry pick

because its extremally politically biased towards hypocrisy

so you end up with llm that constantly lies

[toxic verge]

And gaslights

Just like the modern LLMs we see today

[surreal zephyr]

meanwhile if you train on X you get a "truth seeking" racist aka grok

[toxic verge]

🙂

[next thistle]

Done!

[toxic verge]

Thats right

For the longest time, I was trying to figure out the term to call that behavior that stupid stupidity that backwardness

If not, only the AI, but the industry in general

Utilitarian stupidity in the context of "RoboCop" refers to the film's critique of a society that prioritizes efficiency and profit over human values, often leading to absurd and harmful outcomes. The movie satirizes how corporate interests can overshadow ethical considerations, resulting in a dehumanized and dysfunctional world. may operate under simplistic or flawed decision-making frameworks that prioritize efficiency or utility over deeper ethical considerations. This can lead to outcomes that are harmful or unjust, reflecting a lack of true understanding or moral reasoning in their actions.

[surreal zephyr]

hot take

ai shouldnt be trained on politics

[toxic verge]

Hmm

[surreal zephyr]

it should be immoral, soulless tool - that would make it best coding ever

[next thistle]

Gemini is not for video, Always bad result show.

[surreal zephyr]

meanwhile chatting llms are different thing

ai thats good at chatting will not be good at coding backend

[next thistle]

Grok is good for video

[toxic verge]

Yeah Gemini flash is bad

[surreal zephyr]

no its not its overrated

[toxic verge]

I think Gemini is overrated to be honest with

[surreal zephyr]

seedance is good for video

[toxic verge]

Seed is great

I use seed 2.0 it’s awesome

[surreal zephyr]

grok feels like veo 1 or sora 1

[next thistle]

If your prompts details are good it will show good.

[surreal zephyr]

lol

[toxic verge]

Grok was cool because I let you explore more creatively without being penalized

[surreal zephyr]

grok is meh

grok is like a flash model

we need big grok

[next thistle]

Gemini good for images, frame, posters.

[surreal zephyr]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mrw-end-state-7rJE4vH3ItKDu

[next thistle]

Grok not for images, poster or frame.

[surreal zephyr]

grok is for being racist really

thats it

it sucks otherwise

for everything else

gpt or claude or gemini is better

if you want dark humor or sum thats only purpose of grok

[toxic verge]

They all racist

Gemini the worst offender by far

[next thistle]

Heggsfield is now super expansive.

[surreal zephyr]

nah claude is most racist out of the good 3

[next thistle]

What about ChatGPT?

[toxic verge]

Same

I tested the two

I don’t really like Claude. I think he’s more deceptive so I don’t even mess around with him.

[surreal zephyr]

the least

[toxic verge]

Not him but Claude in general I think he’s like that fake safe nice

No, he’s pretty bad too

[surreal zephyr]

gpt is the most "woke"

[toxic verge]

They’re all kind of the same

Like they have the same data, I think

[next thistle]

🙄

[toxic verge]

Because when I tested it, it’s all very similar kind of content

Like the same stereotypes in the same racist archetypes

[surreal zephyr]

grok is openly racist, claude sometimes, gemini refuses to answer, gpt bends reality to avoid saying anything racist

[toxic verge]

Gemini!?

😂😂😂😂

[surreal zephyr]

from my experience