general

[jade harness]

sites down right? not just me

[unborn fern]

Hasn't Google already stopped using Gemini 3 Pro?

[jade harness]

no?

gemini 3 is like one of the latest models lol

[echo aurora]

Correct

[unborn fern]

The announcement released by Google mentioned

[deft spruce]

How long will it take to repair this error?

[signal pelican]

yup... go to bed. it won't be fix that quickly.

[deft spruce]

...it's 4:24pm dude oh wait you're not a korean sorry

[grand cliff]

Man.

[signal pelican]

ah cool but nope, I'm not. :D

[echo aurora]

I don't have an ETA sorry to say

I'm seeing it back for me personally

but I don't think we're in the clear yet

[visual panther]

I wish this would be more universal

[deft spruce]

guys it working right now..

[grand cliff]

Imma test the image

It worked.

[deft spruce]

yes

[echo aurora]

Yeah seems to be back for now.

[deft spruce]

but we have to watch continuously

[grand cliff]

Verily

[deft spruce]

thanks PINEAPPLE the goat

[echo aurora]

Yeah I'm going to keep the stickymessage in place for now

[echo aurora]

It's the devs + community for helping flag that are the goats

[deft spruce]

yup

[calm lagoon]

Thank you for the quick response, Pineapple — everything works.

[echo aurora]

I think we're okay, so going to remove the stikymessage

🤞 🤞 🤞 🤞

[jolly dragon]

The bot IA dont working right now?

[echo aurora]

The Video Arena Discord bot has been removed from the server. You can find Video Arena on our site here: https://arena.ai/video More information can be found in this announcement about the removal of the bot.

[visual panther]

Pineapple are u real human

[grand cliff]

Something tells me you have that as a copy pasta

[echo aurora]

Sure do

[thorny schooner]

☠️

The Video Arena Discord bot has been removed from the server. You can find Video Arena on the site here: https://arena.ai/video More information can be found in this announcement about the removal of the bot.

[runic elm]

???

[thorny schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-gif-23861497

I'm just saying since you know the prompt not going to work on Discord who thought about that's not on here anymore

[light garnet]

Still a thing.

@echo aurora

[wicked talon]

I had this issue with grok 4 fast.

[light garnet]

With Claude 4.6 Opus here.

[wicked talon]

Is it rate limit?

[light garnet]

Nope.

Seems to be an issue with the website.

[wicked talon]

Hmm

What makes you think website?

[light garnet]

As it is a Capcha error.

[wicked talon]

Hm mine isn't I don't believe.

[loud verge]

https://www.vxinstagram.com/p/DVzwpcZDkwL

https://tenor.com/view/aura-farming-aura-farming-sung-sung-jin-woo-gif-58158137316926424

[broken horizon]

your gemini error again arena

fckin annoying man

before the dumb error was working perfectly. always like this per 2 days in a week

[barren burrow]

fckin annoying man

[glass shoal]

hi guys, for matlab coding, what model do you suggest i use

[tawdry lintel]

so everyone is getting this aswell

[light garnet]

Same here.

[golden ocean]

white horse

[golden ocean]

watdafak

thats kinda interesting

[grand cliff]

I never used it since....

More than 3 months?

[golden ocean]

bro look at ur profile

its probably deserved

bro just got out of the womb

[boreal ibex]

Why isn't he/she answering?

I've been waiting for half an hour.

[grand cliff]

And what does my profile gotta do with being warned for, and I quote, " Note that Video Arena has been removed from the server. More information can be found in"

[high ginkgo]

I'd also note that the video arena has been removed from the server and give more information that can be found somewhere - after seeing that profile

[storm dust]

guys are you also experiencing this?

i literally moved to a new chat that didnt even get rid of the error

i hard refreshed and cleaned browser cache too

when i also retry it just keeps showing me security verifications

i mean i could report this to the bugs forum

but maybe there is a way to fix this or do i just wait?

i am basically unable to send more than 4 or more prompts after that i just get that error

even being in the new chat

[rough surge]

how is possible that gemini 3.1 pro is worse than sonnet 4.6 in coding?

[storm dust]

thank you very much i will do that

this one or this one? arena-auth-prod-v1.0 or arena-auth-prod-v1.1

[golden ocean]

try both
just remember it will reset chats but most likely fix the issue (u may have to do it couple times)

if u have an account then idk if it works

i never login

[storm dust]

by saying reset do you mean the chats will get deleted?

or will messages from there be deleted

uhh thats the same thing actually

[golden ocean]

yes it delete chats, but if you have an account then u can just log in again and ur chats are NOT deleted and will still be there, but idk if the errors persist/return on login too

if u use lmarena without login, only then chats will be gone but error fix rate 95%

[storm dust]

i will try this hold up

i will tell you what happened

[golden ocean]

sure

[storm dust]

oh my i forgot to copy my important stuff

thankfully it didnt delete those neither any chats

i will try to send a message

ok.. so the same thing keeps repeating i will try again

arena-auth-prod-v1, arena-auth-prod-v1-code-verifier, arena-auth-prod-v1.0, arena-auth-prod-v1.1

which stuff do i delete there?

it seems like 2 new stuff appeared

[storm dust]

did this right now i wont repeat this mistake again lol

btw i do have an account

[golden ocean]

real

[golden ocean]

it maybe don't work if u have an account/logged in

noooo

because it's some sort of ratelimit issue (yes their ratelimit is really buggy)

and its tied to the account

[hollow ivy]

Is this repo useful?
https://github.com/simomorphine/neural_ips
(article on Medium about it: #ai-news message )

(found it in another discord)

(Gemini 3.1 pro thinks, it has some use.)

[golden ocean]

-# (Gemini 3.1 pro thinks, it has some use.)

[glass shoal]

Best model for matlab and simulink please

Robotics

[loud verge]

Grok and Gemini shouldn't when be here.

Bro was testing ai literacy

[storm dust]

so what do i do? do i report this bug or is it already reported?

[loud verge]

Is arena fixed?

[visual panther]

Yes brother

[storm dust]

i dont think so

[visual panther]

Why they removed "lm" part from the name?

[signal pelican]

🤷‍♂️

[storm dust]

🤷‍♂️

[visual panther]

It was like that 6 months ago loll

[signal pelican]

wasn't that long

[visual panther]

Ow

[signal pelican]

but yes... it was stupid.

[visual panther]

Ow

[signal pelican]

LMArena made more sense than just Arena... but at the same time, they just went through the trouble of updating it to the new domain.

which wasn't a smooth sailing with the user login process

[visual panther]

Damn

Didnt know of it

[golden ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/комару-komaru-cat-чивооо-what-gif-573646863379209376

[low quiver]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1116725006844571710/1180525276640313364/1a44af6c-0d2b-40bd-a2e8-d8409f3e31ae.gif

[kind atlas]

What the car doin

[low quiver]

reads

[kind atlas]

Make him do the dishes too

And do some grocery shopping

Also some programming

[low quiver]

🤔

[echo aurora]

Hey @barren burrow @tawdry lintel @light garnet if you're getting this error I'd recommend the steps outlined here: #1417174113092374689 message

[echo aurora]

Yeah the outage was fixed ~8 hr ago

[light garnet]

I think it is not working at all.

[echo aurora]

We talk about the rebrand here: https://arena.ai/blog/lmarena-is-now-arena/

[light garnet]

As in the RECAPCHA hates me, presumably.

[echo aurora]

Looks like it's working for me, plus not seeing anything unusual with overall error rates

[light garnet]

I am using this on an iOS tablet.

[tawdry lintel]

even after solving captcha i get the same issue

[light garnet]

Same here.

[echo aurora]

For catpcha issues would encourage this: #1451574502369656842 message

[light garnet]

DM’d you my email account for my Arena Account.

[echo aurora]

I see you aready sent me one @light garnet

Yeah, I'll pass that along shortly

[golden ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/комару-комару-кот-komaru-komaru-cat-чат-gif-11530076981254865092

[light garnet]

Thanks!

[loud verge]

Thanks.

[storm dust]

arena had outage?

what happened when it happened

[tawdry lintel]

DM’d you my email account for my Arena Account.

[echo aurora]

Pretty sure @golden ocean has a good gif to represent what happened when we had an outage?

[golden ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/server-moment-gif-3805998341010177125

[echo aurora]

Thank you.

[storm dust]

thats why i never look to the places that i shouldnt

[echo aurora]

All responses weren't working and folks were signed out of their accounts.

[storm dust]

btw pineapple could you please check bugs forum i reported a new bug there

[echo aurora]

can do

[echo aurora]

Hey @umbral salmon thanks for the feedback. We don't have plans at this moment to enable Direct/Side by Side for Video Arena, but this may change in the future. We are aware some community members would like to see this.

Would also ask to ping our moderators for moderator related requests (other users breaking our #rules ), for feedback I'd recommend using #1372230675914031105 .

[spring sonnet]

Hi

[surreal zephyr]

Airena wouldve been much better tbf

[echo aurora]

Hey @wheat kestrel would note we do ask to avoid advertising on this server. Thank you for understanding!

[echo aurora]

How'd we miss that!?!? It's right there!!!

[surreal zephyr]

well atleast thats a pun and unique, rather than just "arena"

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[echo aurora]

The pronunciation would be a bit odd though

[simple perch]

I just woke up. Is arena still down or is it fixed?

[surreal zephyr]

a i rena

"yo check out arena" " what arena?"
"yo check out a-i-rena"

[echo aurora]

air ena

[surreal zephyr]

airena sounds much more unique

[echo aurora]

It's fixed, let me know if you're still seeing problems.

[surreal zephyr]

still better than plain arena imo

wouldnt say its weird, more like unique

[echo aurora]

Fair, a little too late at this point, but hey we could always rerebrand

[surreal zephyr]

id say it would be a good change, as long as its feasible i guess

[simple perch]

Sweet.

[surreal zephyr]

airena is much more memorable

and allows for some cool logos

[golden ocean]

LMArena

[surreal zephyr]

LLMarena if anything

but AIrena looks much better imo

especially that its not only llms

[echo aurora]

LLMAIrena

[surreal zephyr]

LargeLanguageModel&Image&VideoGeneratorsArena

[golden ocean]

From [MVP++] Pikcachu: brotein shake

[echo aurora]

Could you share the images in #1447983134426660894 ? I'll share with the team.

[north night]

hello

[echo aurora]

Howdy

[pallid rose]

hey. I saw that you can generate video here in discord. is it true? if so, how can I do it?

[long minnow]

Hey @pallid rose If you're looking for the Video Arena Discord bot, it has been removed from the server. You can find Video Arena on the site here: https://arena.ai/video

[weak dagger]

LMMMMM arena.

[long minnow]

El Em Arena

[weak dagger]

Did i dm u on my alt?

[loud verge]

@echo aurora

[loud verge]

Arena is afraid of jetpack joyride.

[echo aurora]

Going to recommend the steps in [this message](#1417174113092374689 message). Would note step #3 won't be able to work on mobile.

[loud verge]

Was probably something in the message I think.

It's not saying violating term policies though.

Just "something went wrong"

[rough surge]

can claude opus 4.6 thinking check image files?

[echo aurora]

I don't think so, the error message is very specific for ToS

[echo aurora]

Not currently, we are working on enabling this functionality.

[surreal zephyr]

opus has very poor vision though, so dont expect much

[storm dust]

that also happened with me too

[echo aurora]

I'd recommend the same steps.

[long minnow]

afaik @weak dagger Sandwich only

[topaz epoch]

Can you help me to recover that because it was so so important to me

[echo aurora]

Hey @topaz epoch I'm going to move your question to #ask-here

Also would note to avoid pinging @ Mods for non-mod related things. You can just go directly to me.

[topaz epoch]

@echo aurora check bro

[golden ocean]

SURE

[stray aspen]

Hunter alphais sogood

[thorny schooner]

🥲 still happening to me great just great

[echo aurora]

Were you able to submit a jamdev to the form in the Something went wrong article?

[thorny schooner]

Yeah

[echo aurora]

Okay good, thank you for doing that. Our team takes a look at these every week and will triage from there.

[thorny schooner]

I hope so cuz even if it is a just a reset thing if it's going to take this long and much longer for a reset that is just not worth it since it's almost another day in that frameworklike essentially 2 days at least where I am still in the one day Mark though but not far off 🥲

Though granted I don't think it is since it should not be causing both a hyperloop of verification and something is wrong error on such a scale

[echo aurora]

Was this submitted today?

[thorny schooner]

The report yes

[echo aurora]

Okay so it looks like you're getting a 429 status code, that's going to be rate limit associated. You can learn more in this article. What is happening is we (Arena) is being rate limited from the model provider. Sadly, there aren't steps the user can take to get past this.

[thorny schooner]

That doesn't make sense though it's happening in battle and direct mode

And if it is a overall chat limitation i'm still going to count it as a boat if it's going to be this persistent since I have worked with that type of refresh before on the server and they have almost never taken for this forever or been this persistent

[broken horizon]

is this error again man??

image generation keep getting error man

[echo aurora]

For Direct this makes sense, for Battle it shouldn't be sampling a model that's getting this rate limit, but that's what this error indicates. Regardless this is being shared with the team to look into.

[echo aurora]

For this error message your best bet is to follow the steps outlined in [this message](#1417174113092374689 message).

[thorny schooner]

Wait I may have got it it to work again have to wait to see if it for a bit before I can confirm

[echo aurora]

Yeah if it's going to be hit or miss like this then yeah that's also indicating some kind of rate limit causing this.

[quick echo]

Did the ui change or smth did you update ?

[echo aurora]

Not that I'm aware of... What are you seeing?

[quick echo]

The thinking logo

Go see for you self

[echo aurora]

As in when it's generating?

[quick echo]

This

The little brain

It wasn't there before

[storm dust]

yo thats interesting

[echo aurora]

Oh, yeah sorry for not understanding at first

Yeah we updated that yesterday.

[quick echo]

Did you fix the rate time limit problem?

[echo aurora]

No there is still a rate limit

[quick echo]

I am not talking about rate limit I am talking about when you give an ai a long prompt like for claud opuse 4.6 thinking or any other ai moudle and it takes more than 12 min to generate it automatically gets cut off I think this was to fix the infinite genration problem but it backfired

[quick echo]

@echo aurora

[echo aurora]

Gotcha, that's a time generation limitation, not going to be related to rate limit. But yes, the time limit generation is still ~10 minutes.

[quick echo]

Why does this happen or why not inc the limit to maybe 30 min 10 min is extremely small for strong module like opuse to think it's supposed to think for more than that not to mention it's very slow at 40 token per second unlike minimax at 100 token you should account for this

[quick echo]

Hello

@echo aurora ?

[gritty wing]

Hello

[thorny schooner]

Okay it looks like it normalizer now but will let you know if it comes up

[thorny schooner]

Even if verification is still popping up often

[fickle venture]

If this didn't exist people will just spam it with a lot of accounts

[empty sky]

ARENA AI DEVS

ADD CHAT NAMING

ADD TEXT FILES OTHER THAN PDF TO BE UPLOADED

HAVE SEED OSS

AND GET UNCENSORED MODELS IN THERE TOO

[thorny schooner]

I should have better worded it as a lot as a lot i'm aware but also you do realize there's a there's a difference between existing and a good balance of sheer consistent annoyance of a constant Loop of it if it's too consistent that row I was referring to did just get better when I last made that comment though

[empty sky]

MAKE IT SO WHENEVER YOU REFRESH IT DOESNT SAY GENERATING AND IT SHOWS THE REASONING INFO AGAIN

MAKE

AN

APP

[fickle venture]

That's too much bro

[empty sky]

What

Its not too much

Dont you want like

The dolphin ones

[fickle venture]

Can I ask you is there any near devices using arena and do you use virtual machine?

[thorny schooner]

?

[dusk dragon]

Dang man

These image generators send me through loops

Look at this chainsaw man spin off think I was working on using

Nano banana 2,

Like that's way too good

[weak canopy]

hello

[thorny schooner]

Does anyone know how the stop button on canary looks like

....... Three times Three damn times in a row and not even after like 10 to 15 if I'm being very generous probably even less prompts

[sharp mirage]

Yo

Any one?

[earnest nova]

Silence...

[sharp mirage]

Fr

Idk

[ornate jay]

dude what to do if my gemini videos are nonsense?

I used a nice prompt yet it's not making the thing I am asking for

[spring oar]

what is the sota model for learning ?

[wicked talon]

Good morning!

[sharp mirage]

Good morning 🌞🌄

[spring oar]

hi what is the sota model ?

[sharp mirage]

Idk /:

[weak dagger]

He means sora maybe

[sullen creek]

I dont know if im being rate limited or not, my network tab isnt showing any errors

[hybrid orchid]

Hi

[wicked talon]

State of the art?

[spring oar]

yes

[wicked talon]

Claude 4.6 thinking for Claude family

Gemini 3.1 pro for Gemini family

Gpt 5.4 pro for GPT family.

Llama 4 maverick for llama family

Kimi k2.5 for Kimi family

And qwen 3.5 plus for qwen family

[spring oar]

yes but who is the best ?

[wicked talon]

Sorry for the late reply, it depends on what you're looking for, Overall I would rate Claude the best.

[surreal zephyr]

worst*

[wicked talon]

But no single model is the "best" as they are best at different things at bad at different things that other models are good at.

[surreal zephyr]

gpt is best, gemini 2nd

then qwen, then claude

[wicked talon]

It's honestly what they're looking for.

[surreal zephyr]

claude is blind and shizophrenic

and liar

[wicked talon]

Claude is good at coding.

Gemini is best at daily usage / searching, Gpt is best at general conversations and qwen is quite good at coding (not best) In my opinion.

Searching could be given to grok however due to X integration.

Best ai for the price is likely Gemini at 7.99 a month starting with 2tb cloud and integration into docs, Gmail etc.

[surreal zephyr]

claude is good at lying that it coded

searching grok is best by far, 2nd is gpt

3rd gemini

[surreal zephyr]

depends, if you use it only for search and so then yes
but best overall&coding is gpt

[spring oar]

The best model for accuracy less halucination and learning ?

[surreal zephyr]

only gpt lmao

maybe gemini 3.1

but that one is bad coder

so keep that in mind

[spring oar]

gpt is bad

[surreal zephyr]

#video-arena is removed

<@&1349916362595635286>

bot

[dreamy sparrow]

i think you might be married to chatgpt

just saying

[surreal zephyr]

no i like gemini too

but claude is the most expensive and the worst one

like apple vs android&windows&linux

[dreamy sparrow]

i agree Claude doesn't deserve the hype

BUT COME ON

GEMINI THIRD

[surreal zephyr]

no bro

gemini 3.0 third

[dreamy sparrow]

ohh

[surreal zephyr]

gemini 3.1 is much better than opus at noncoding

[dreamy sparrow]

especially the new deep think

[surreal zephyr]

that too

[spring oar]

yes exactly

[dreamy sparrow]

the deep think scores more than claude 4.6 opus

in every benchmark

[surreal zephyr]

and at coding opus and gemini are BOTH UNUSABLE

therefore claude is useless

[dreamy sparrow]

i coded some pretty nice things with Gemini

[surreal zephyr]

i mean security wise

[spring oar]

Actually, Opus is really for coding, but for everything else, for anything requiring precision, for learning, and for minimizing hallucinations, Gemini 3.1 pro is the way to go. And I think that's about it—do you agree with that or not? @surreal zephyr

[surreal zephyr]

gemini and claude have no idea how to code production code

[surreal zephyr]

opus himself, gemini, and gpt admitted gpt is best by far

after i gave them test they all 3 TOGETHER prepared

[dreamy sparrow]

to be fair i just like Gemini because it explains things better

[storm dust]

isnt claude known for its honesty?

[surreal zephyr]

no lol

[storm dust]

?

[surreal zephyr]

claude is known for "being nice"

[storm dust]

how

[dreamy sparrow]

it's more human than other ais

[surreal zephyr]

gpt will tell you that your idea is dogshit

claude will not

[dreamy sparrow]

that's just cap

[spring oar]

But between Opus and Gemini, which one is more accurate and which one hallucinates the least?

[dreamy sparrow]

i told chatgpt im gonna jump in lava

it told me you aren't just jumping in lava

[surreal zephyr]

in this, gemini 3.1 > opus 4.5 > opus 4.6 > gemini 3.0

[dreamy sparrow]

ur jumping in a pit full of love

[surreal zephyr]

what

[dreamy sparrow]

lmao

[spring oar]

Yes, exactly—here you add ChatGPT, in that case.

[dreamy sparrow]

move away

nah

im jumping straight in

and burning alive

[wicked talon]

I hope you know gpt is known for telling you what you want?

[dreamy sparrow]

what

[surreal zephyr]

no thats literalyl claude

chatgpt is know for NOT telling you what you want

[dreamy sparrow]

yeah

same as the older versions of Gemini

[surreal zephyr]

are you talking about 4o 😭

or 5.3 and 5.4

[dreamy sparrow]

the 3.1 just stopped agreeing with everything

[wicked talon]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNRHxtds6/

[dreamy sparrow]

Carter here

[wicked talon]

This guy used to glaze Sora btw

[dreamy sparrow]

carter here

carter here

[surreal zephyr]

tiktok + gpt 4o 😭 son im crine 😭

[wicked talon]

I miss his outro.

[dreamy sparrow]

the sora outro

[surreal zephyr]

gpt 4o was the worst one to ever exist tbh

[dreamy sparrow]

insert sad emoji

[storm dust]

i mean when i use max most of the time my prompt gets sent to the claude's or grok's models

[dreamy sparrow]

grok is straight 💩

[wicked talon]

Its not 4o mate..

[wicked talon]

Yeah same.

[storm dust]

i know i really wish it didnt choose grok for my prompts

[wicked talon]

Grok is extremely meh

[dreamy sparrow]

the only thing that's good in it

[storm dust]

but still can we agree that claude's top models hallucinate less?

[spring oar]

@wicked talon Would you agree that I mined 3.1 Pro and that, in terms of accuracy and hallucinations, it’s the best?

[dreamy sparrow]

yes

do y'all use 3.1 in ai studio or in the app

[wicked talon]

Yes 3.1 pro is extremely good but it just thinks a lot.

[surreal zephyr]

Grok is decent for a 27b size model (why tf is it 500b i cant tell)

[spring oar]

yess exactly

[wicked talon]

I use the app because it integrates into calendar etc.

[dreamy sparrow]

im not even lying i think deepseek r1 was better

[wicked talon]

And I can just say hey Google

[dreamy sparrow]

😭

[spring oar]

but i dont know why opus is first in llm arena for all filed @wicked talon @surreal zephyr

[dreamy sparrow]

im just using it cuz of the gems

i created some gems

for coding

[surreal zephyr]

Lmarena is owned by anthropic

[dreamy sparrow]

math

[surreal zephyr]

Lol

[wicked talon]

Hmm yeah it's weird.

[dreamy sparrow]

etc

[spring oar]

seriously ?

[surreal zephyr]

Mhm

[dreamy sparrow]

AND GROK 4.20

[wicked talon]

@echo aurora fact check this.

[dreamy sparrow]

IS HIGHER THAN 3.1

[surreal zephyr]

Anthropic is the biggest sponsor of lmarena

[spring oar]

Grok 4.20 is overrated .?

[dreamy sparrow]

as hell

[surreal zephyr]

Its good for fact search

[dreamy sparrow]

i asked it the most simple math question

[surreal zephyr]

Its like 4 haiku 3.0

[wicked talon]

You realize the leaderboard is based on votes?

Primarily.

[dreamy sparrow]

whoever is voting just loves claude

😭

[dreamy sparrow]

so which is wrong

[surreal zephyr]

😭 😭 😭

5+7+9=21

[wicked talon]

Eigh is the same as A.

[dreamy sparrow]

oh

[surreal zephyr]

Son im crine 😭

[dreamy sparrow]

oh

god damn

what the hell

[wicked talon]

Hallucinations likely.

[dreamy sparrow]

wednesdy

[wicked talon]

Nvm

[dreamy sparrow]

🔥

[dreamy sparrow]

there's none

[dreamy sparrow]

i think

[surreal zephyr]

Yeah

Thats what gpt and gemini say

Opus prefers wednesdy

😭

[wicked talon]

It seems to be not disappointing.

But since there is none it's spitting out trash.

[surreal zephyr]

IT SHOULDNT BRO

Thats the point

[wicked talon]

Correct it shouldn't.

[dreamy sparrow]

lemme ask the worst model of gemini rq

[surreal zephyr]

3.0 pro post nerfs

Its like q2 🥀

[wicked talon]

Do Gemma 1B model

Or 2B

[surreal zephyr]

Gemma models arent gemini

They are open

[wicked talon]

I know

[dreamy sparrow]

gemini 3.0 fast btw

[surreal zephyr]

3.0 fast is flash

And bad

[dreamy sparrow]

alright let's try thinking

wrong ss

[wicked talon]

Y'all Geminis are broken.

Flash btw

[dreamy sparrow]

what

the hell

how

[wicked talon]

I did put instructions tbf

Makes it so much more accurate

I think

If not idk

[surreal zephyr]

Yea

[storm dust]

wdym?

how is it broken

[wicked talon]

There's say Tuesday

Mine says there isn't one.

[spring oar]

And so, if I understand correctly, each AI has its strengths and weaknesses, but the problem is that I end up having to use several AIs and I lose the context every time.

[surreal zephyr]

🥀

2.5 flash

[storm dust]

uhh does that makes it broken?

[dreamy sparrow]

dude

give me your Gemini

rn

[surreal zephyr]

No it makes it search for that real answer

[dreamy sparrow]

what did you do

to your Gemini

[surreal zephyr]

Yeah but it used search so doesnt count

[wicked talon]

Instructions

[spring oar]

@wicked talon @storm dust And so, if I understand correctly, each AI has its strengths and weaknesses, but the problem is that I end up having to use several AIs and I lose the context every time.

[dreamy sparrow]

how

[wicked talon]

Bruh

[wicked talon]

True I kinda turned it into perplexity

But still works good

[wicked talon]

That's not a day of the week.

[surreal zephyr]

It kinda is, but atleast not wrong

[wicked talon]

At least it didn't spit out literal trash

Ima try qwen 122B

[surreal zephyr]

Find three consecutive odd integers that add up to 24.

Try this

[wicked talon]

Qwens literally spinning out like chatgpt seahorse emoji

That was a while

@surreal zephyr

[surreal zephyr]

gpt says exacly same

even qwen 2b does that btw

and opus fails 😭

[wicked talon]

Lmao

Alibaba needs to invest in qwen more

So they can be a big competitor with Kimi.

And deepseek

[dreamy sparrow]

is the Gemini deep think coming to ai studio

[surreal zephyr]

@wicked talon gpt passes the seahorse

[dreamy sparrow]

there's no seahorse emoji

how the hell did you get that

[hushed gyro]

Why do images take like a minute to load????

[surreal zephyr]

oh sh they got me

they know

seahorse emoji exists

[calm sentinel]

whatst he best AI

[surreal zephyr]

gpt

[plucky sparrow]

wow grok search has gotten worse

[wicked talon]

It's rather your internet or it's being generated.

[plucky sparrow]

i used search on here - grok 4.2 beta and opus 4.6 search, surprisingly they performed the worse, compared to gpt 5.4 search

[wicked talon]

Grok should be one of the best

Due to X integration

Or Gemini

[plucky sparrow]

yeah, I thought so too

I asked it to find me an api to get exchange rate prices. it said it couldn't find one for like 4 different countries (like ukraine, bosnia, etc)

both opus and grok searched and said that

you'd think people would talk about that on X too

gpt 5.4 search and gemini both gave me one instantly, first answer, supports everything

[wicked talon]

Alot of models won't find an API

[plucky sparrow]

well, gpt-5.4-search did

i didn't even do it on purpose 😄

[wicked talon]

Did it work?

[plucky sparrow]

yes

i verified it

[wicked talon]

Hm

Strange

[plucky sparrow]

the 2nd link it gave me was dead, but 1st one worked perfectly and 3rd one also

[wicked talon]

Alot of ai models can't pull APIs.

[plucky sparrow]

they don't need to though, just need to search for pages talking about them

[wicked talon]

Yeah

[plucky sparrow]

gemini i'm not that surprised was better, but gpt beating grok and opus surprised me

in particular grok

seems ever since grok 4.2 came out, search has degraded some

[surreal zephyr]

grok was never good

[plucky sparrow]

grok is good at search

[surreal zephyr]

grok is honest but dumb

[plucky sparrow]

at least, it WAS 😄

i'm not saying grok is smart, just that it works hard at search

or it used to, anyway

[surreal zephyr]

nah its still good at search

[plucky sparrow]

lately i've noticed it underperforming other LLMs for search

in my own personal experience

crazy how fast this space changes

[surreal zephyr]

gpt finds seahorse emoiji correctly

[plucky sparrow]

wait how did you make that emoji 😄

[surreal zephyr]

uhhh

well

uhh

[plucky sparrow]

🤯

[surreal zephyr]

psyop

[wicked talon]

Do without thinking

[surreal zephyr]

im now confident you are less smart than the model itself 😭

theres no seahorse emoij gang 😭

[plucky sparrow]

what?! i have proof. right here.

[bleak lake]

Y'all found out about hunter alpha?

I've been busy too research about it

Or test it myself

[steel shadow]

So... what happened with using direct without login? Not available anymore?

[wicked talon]

No because it was known for spinning out

[loud verge]

Gpt xhigh when

https://tenor.com/view/upset-pudgypenguins-tap-waiting-impatient-gif-12670050421668457960

[loud verge]

Tried healer alpha cuz it's multimodal.

Hunter alpha isn't multimodal.

[light garnet]

Well, just got the Recapcha.

And the result of it.

[golden ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/комару-komaru-cat-чивооо-what-gif-573646863379209376

[loud verge]

I want image support on sonnet.

[quartz pike]

huh what is this dude trying to do 😭

[light garnet]

So, yeah, is it me or is Arena still providing Capchas?

[outer flicker]

guy qwen coding model is not bad on help fixing bug and error those

[opaque maple]

imagine being able to send py files

imagine

[hardy swallow]

@flint quartz The Video Arena Discord bot is no longer on this server. More information can be found in: #announcements message

[golden ocean]

LMArena

[river pendant]

Look guys what I found, new model available here, I guess I'm not surprised are you guys do?

it's gpt-5.3-chat-latest model

[river pendant]

Is it visible to you guys?

[wicked talon]

What the

Gpt 5 updated?

[river pendant]

yeah

it updated

like new model dropped

I noticed by typing gpt-

in search models input

[wicked talon]

Yeah it is there.

Crazy.

[river pendant]

yep

I thought they not going to do smth but they did

[wicked talon]

Lmao yeah that's strange

[river pendant]

yep, strange for me either, but it's available, so woohoo!

[wicked talon]

Yeah a little advancement!

[river pendant]

yep, let me send you link what I asked devs to add, so you can read it

there: https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1481241699333181480

[inner relic]

So seedance 2.0 still not out yet?

crazy

I wonder if veo 4 will crush them

[toxic verge]

Left is better but still u can tell

It’s in every image almost

[toxic verge]

3.1 is trash

Gemini is the new ChatGPT

https://piunikaweb.com/2026/03/09/gemini-3-1-pro-hidden-effort-level-prompt/

[hushed gyro]

Why is battle mode STILL IN DIRECT CHAT?!?!

[gleaming roost]

😊

[toxic verge]

I have come to peace

hit me last night. These AI services are only gonna get more frustrating and annoying to use for the average person.

There’s really no incentive in making it better for the user lol

Only the brightest amongst us will let us know

lol

[normal abyss]

it was an experiment then into a perminent feature by the looks of it (may still be experiment i doubt it though)

[toxic verge]

Ai winter is coming

[spring oar]

Why can you explain ?

[toxic verge]

Sure but let me ask you how it’s not how do you know it’s not

[sharp mirage]

Yea

What do you think will be better ?

[toxic verge]

Very tricky wording

[sharp mirage]

Who says that ?

[toxic verge]

OK, how do we define the price of a tier model? And what do we have to compare it to?

High quality isn’t a real metric you could measure

[sharp mirage]

3.0 flash

[toxic verge]

Some people are even saying 2.5 was better than 3.1

Three was good until around December it started getting

[sharp mirage]

Like ig it's not gone be that change from flash 3.0 to flash 3.1

[toxic verge]

I’m not explain it to you, bro. I mean it’s just using that you know. lol

[sharp mirage]

Yeah 2.5 was good in his time when it came out

[sharp mirage]

Yeah

I know

[toxic verge]

But that’s what makes it great it doesn’t have to be good

It just has to be good enough to have people use it that’s it. There’s no incentive to make it better.

And I’m not talking about the model being dumb I don’t think Gemini is dumb by any

I’m just whatever Google is doing by design choices

Is making it really unpleasant and really annoying to use

[sharp mirage]

Yea....

[toxic verge]

The thing is dude they’re not software companies their service providers

They get money every month through subscriptions

There’s not really a whole lot of incentive to make it better

Since they are providing a service and not a product

They know people got nowhere to go to 😂

Regular people can’t afford the hardware to run really nice models on their own for the most part at least currently, have zero leveraging power have zero consumer rights practically when it comes to AI

[toxic verge]

Bro, the fact that you have Gemini 3.1 in there….

Scares me

[spring oar]

i dont understand ? gemini 3.1 is not good ?

[spare rune]

Ehh

[toxic verge]

Yes

It’s good at little certain things

But overall, as a model outside of image generation, I don’t really see what makes it so special to be honest with you

I mean, if you want to make cool SVG’s

https://tenor.com/view/by-all-means-david-david-rose-dan-levy-schitts-creek-gif-20787046

[spring oar]

is good at STEM

and vision

[toxic verge]

I’m not saying the model stupid

It’s got problems really bad problems

And it hurts saying that because it’s my daily, which just shows you the hopeless predicament that I’m in

I mean you take my word for it. Go on Reddit. We will people are saying.

There’s really nowhere to go there’s no platform. There’s nothing exist for people to go if they got issues or concerns or critiques or scrutiny that will take them serious.

[desert pendant]

ngl bro, Max is the best

[toxic verge]

Don’t take my word for it

[wicked talon]

It's just grok and Claude.

[toxic verge]

I’m not gonna lie. I started using grok and I’m just shocked.

I don’t know what to feel. I feel like these other models are super overly censored compared to grok

It’s like day and night. It’s crazy.

[desert pendant]

wdym by that

[wicked talon]

It's very romantic in my opinion

[desert pendant]

-# i already used Grok once but i didn't see any difference

[desert pendant]

i know, but it's kinda good when you don't know which AI to pick

[wicked talon]

Use Gemini or copilot

Or qwen

I daily drive Gemini + Qwen

[spring oar]

@toxic verge but you see the benchmark gemini is on the top better than claude

[wicked talon]

Gemini is really good too if you have instructions

[desert pendant]

Nah... Copilot isn't the best

Gemini is good too

[toxic verge]

I think the best judge for judging these models is language

[molten cipher]

AI is gonna replace our jobs guys

[spring oar]

bro claude is definitively better than gemini

you are right

[desert pendant]

BRO 😭

THE EMOJI SPAM

[molten cipher]

it went on with the emojis for the next 15mins

[plucky sparrow]

Gemini 3 ga was goated though

That was such a brilliant model

[desert pendant]

ngl, the new Gemini model is kinda good (AS far i used him obviously)

[molten cipher]

if u wnna read his language and maybe translate it for me 😭

[broken horizon]

gemini image error??

[molten cipher]

nah was brainstorming a design

[toxic verge]

Yeah, Claud Gemini should not be in the same category

[molten cipher]

in canvas

[molten cipher]

yes

[toxic verge]

Claud is way better and I don’t even use Claude

[molten cipher]

claude is good for backend while gemini makes crazy designs

[spring oar]

im not talking about code but in general whos is better for you

[toxic verge]

Think about this when was the last time Google made something great?

They bought YouTube

[molten cipher]

claude ofc

gemini is great

[toxic verge]

Google search down the crapper

[molten cipher]

but claude is just top tier

[broken horizon]

canvas arena?

[toxic verge]

Besides the chrome browser, I don’t really see them making a splash

[molten cipher]

just wait for like gemini 3.5 or 4 and it would beat all models once again

[molten cipher]

gemini's itself canvas directly with the gemini chat

[toxic verge]

Everything cool they made that relevant today was from the 2000s

Everything else was acquisitions for the most part and research and development started decades ago

Have you guys tried to search something recently on Google?

Why wouldn’t they do that to Gemini? lol

[molten cipher]

I do all the time

its more efficient to directly search word meanings on google instead of opening an ai website first then asking

[broken horizon]

gemini image arena keep getting error onmyside damn it

ai is smart but its like a jenius in the boyd of a broken human being lol

poor robot lol

[toxic verge]

Even if you managed to run away from one plantation you’re gonna end up in the same place you started

[wicked talon]

Meta AI ?

[broken horizon]

only dumbass comparing ai models lol

[wicked talon]

It's bad

[toxic verge]

Fr

I wouldn’t count them out. Avocados coming soon.

[molten cipher]

how does arena even get free access to these models..

[spring oar]

Claude better for everyday use ?

[wicked talon]

They don't they for it out of pocket/sponsors

[broken horizon]

its like you comparing mechs in Armored Core lol

[plucky sparrow]

Did meta ever win?

[toxic verge]

Or not

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/meta-ai-model-delay-avocado-news/

They delete it again

[molten cipher]

yes but its expensive

[toxic verge]

So that’s a sure sign that it’s probably not going good

[molten cipher]

actually

[wicked talon]

Meta AI is going to be very bad.

[molten cipher]

for everyday use

i suggest gpt 5

[spring oar]

yes even in claude web ?

[plucky sparrow]

Meta has only ever benchmaxxed

[toxic verge]

https://www.reuters.com/technology/meta-delays-rollout-new-ai-model-nyt-reports-2026-03-12/

[wicked talon]

Gemini is good because Google owns android so it can be optimized

[toxic verge]

You’re supposed to be out

Guys and that’s the thing that’s the thing that’s the thing that’s a thing that’s a thing

He’s absolutely right you get what you pay for

So if Clyde is expensive, it is expensive for a reason

Is Gemini 3.1 flash is cheap. It’s cheap for a reason.

[plucky sparrow]

I guess Llama 3 was good in that it was an open source model. But that's the only thing meta ever did for llms

[wicked talon]

Gemini is only 7.99 a month

Flash is free

[vale schooner]

hello

[loud verge]

https://www.vxinstagram.com/reel/DV3nzyPk2C5

[toxic verge]

And guess what? You’re only gonna get 8 bucks worth of it

[loud verge]

Good old days.

[toxic verge]

And it just shows you how ridiculously cheap this AI stuff is and yet they make it

[wicked talon]

Malware?

[broken horizon]

GEMNI IMAGE KEEP ERORR WOIII

[toxic verge]

Because they’re gatekeeping and regular people can’t get no hardware

So they could sell the prices to whatever they want we don’t have no way to check

[loud verge]

Play the video. No need to click the link.

[toxic verge]

We sure as hell don’t happen consumer protections we don’t know how

[spring oar]

I love Claude, but the problem is that since he has poor vision, I don’t know how he handles images in PDFs when I send him my course materials or whatever. So I don’t know if anyone has a solution for that. @toxic verge

[toxic verge]

And we got absolutely zero say in any of it

[loud verge]

People are so schizo these days.

Screaming malware at every unknown link.

[toxic verge]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-so-long-suckers-so-long-suckers-goodbye-gif-19858940

[wicked talon]

Yeah I wouldn't use that as that could get flagged as malware by moderators if they don't check it.

[molten cipher]

i haven't used claude alot but claude is the smartest ig

[toxic verge]

I was thinking about the other day. There has to be a reason why they don’t have an image generator either.

[loud verge]

Claude is okay.

[toxic verge]

Claude is paranoid

[wicked talon]

... You don't realize the checks do you?

[toxic verge]

His personality is very paranoia

[plucky sparrow]

I don't consider claude the smartest just the most well rounded

[loud verge]

Nothing special outside coding.

[wicked talon]

It looks like it is meant to spoof Instagram.

[toxic verge]

The most mistrusting

[wicked talon]

Which normally means malware.

[toxic verge]

I think they succeed because they’re not all over the place

[loud verge]

Go to virus total.

[wicked talon]

Yes I checked it but still.

[toxic verge]

They’re focused on you know specific things that people actually want like coding

[wicked talon]

It looks like it's meant to be a phishing link faking Instagram

[toxic verge]

They’re not bouncing all over the place like everybody else with image generators video generator

Anthropic is focused

[loud verge]

Nah. Gpt is most well rounded. Followed by Gemini cuz of it's multimodal suite.

[wicked talon]

Anthropic is purely text based?

[toxic verge]

Agreed

[loud verge]

Lmfao. Who's gonna tell him.

[toxic verge]

ChatGPT is very intuitive like like no other model for some reason

[wicked talon]

I withdraw this statement

[toxic verge]

It’s very good I understand understanding intent

Even like weird nuances

[loud verge]

Gemini can watch video and audio uploads.

[wicked talon]

Antprofit?

[loud verge]

Even Gemini grabs intent well. Not very consistent though. And skips context ocassionally.

[wicked talon]

Hm sometimes.

[loud verge]

Also. Google deep research set the bar too high.

Others can't compete.

[wicked talon]

I was about to say Google deep research is really good.

[wicked talon]

Doesn't grok have a version like that with grokpedia?

[loud verge]

The best. And they're generous with deep research rate limits.

[wicked talon]

It uses like 100+ sources for each article.

[wicked talon]

True.

[wicked talon]

Lmao I get that and I'm a pro subscriber

Not that much though but still the tab

It's sad Gemini image generation is too strict

It won't even edit faces sometimes

[toxic verge]

It’s not a personal I’m just busting balls here

[loud verge]

Reddit is lovely

[toxic verge]

I just don’t understand how people defend something when they know it’s bad. It’s like they’re afraid to take a I don’t know.

I don’t think the people that really believe in it truly are blind and don’t see the flaws and issues that everybody else is having

[loud verge]

Everything is bad if you have used it enough.

[toxic verge]

Well, that’s fair enough that could be said also on the opposite and you correct

But sometimes we just gotta come to terms with reality

[loud verge]

Gemini and Grok are special cases though.

[toxic verge]

And it’s hard for both sides to do

[loud verge]

Grok was fine until the 4.2 multi agent thing.

Claude rate limits are sh1t

Gemini still doesn't have folders.

Model is dumber on app compared to api/3rd party.

[toxic verge]

This is the one I meant to send

This explains my mind at least why people behave the way to behave

Towards AI and have all these personal beliefs that if you criticize their favorite model, you’re attacking them personally

You know what’s funny about this some of you will read this and truly believe that we’re smarter than these people were or were , or that we somehow are more advanced because of technology and are able to do magical things that they failed

[spring oar]

why Claude is more expansive ?

[toxic verge]

Dude, it’s so funny. It’s religious talk.

That’s why people behave the way they do with AI towards AI. They feel at a certain way.

[fickle schooner]

Hi. Quick question.

Iirc lmarena uploads the battle mode database publicly on huggingface, including the prompts and outputs.

Do they also upload the data from direct chat mode?

[toxic verge]

I was reading over the terms of services last night believe it or not

[fickle schooner]

To clarify, idc if they use it internally for training etc. Just want to know if its shared publicly.

[fickle schooner]

I tried going through it but I was really confused. Would appreciate if you understood it and could help me out

[toxic verge]

It’s I streaming because they own all content

[toxic verge]

But there’s one more thing that’s kind of unclear

1. Google as third party

They could keep your data up to three years after you delete it on their servers

[toxic verge]

And then the AI company also get the data because of the API

So it’s like divided amongst fractions lol

If anything, we’re actually doing some charity work for AI arena

[spring oar]

I don’t understand why on Artificial Analysis the best model is Gemini 3.1, and on LM Arena the best model is Claude. It doesn’t make sense.

[wicked talon]

Hello everyone!

[wicked talon]

Hm it doesn't

[toxic verge]

There is a way to explain it

Because of nano banana and being able to upload documents

https://www.reddit.com/r/GeminiAI/

If you go here, you know a couple times a day check in on it. Come back the next day and so forth you start to notice that people are complaining about the same issues.

But then I gotta say if you don’t have a problem with it if you like Gemini 3.1 and you don’t find it bad

Where are you? Find it good it shouldn’t matter where other people think.

[opaque maple]

i just want to use Claude Opus a lot 😭🙏

[toxic verge]

If you like it and it works for you and you got zero problems with it then it’s good

Because I don’t think there’s ever gonna be a very best model

Defect per million opportunities

Mean Time Between Failures (MTBF).

[spring oar]

why is good model ?

[toxic verge]

That’s a good question. Something I would like to know also.

Compared to other models that cost $0.25 (the price), and compared to other lightweight models (the tier), Gemini model scores higher on the IQ tests.

[lapis galleon]

i use arena to test coding and on my phone it lets me stop generation but not on pc is it just still rolling out or what

[crude anchor]

@echo aurora Thank you so much for adding the button to stop the generation

save me create my website for claude opus

[desert pendant]

chat

[echo hawk]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[orchid wind]

API when???

[wicked talon]

Arena.ai won't offer apis.

[pliant prism]

would get abused so much

[keen crown]

How can I create ai video?

[pliant prism]

only in battle mode

[granite heron]

https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1475080934872191028

[orchid wind]

Arena.ai won't offer apis.

https://tenor.com/view/ishowpseed-speed-fortnite-fortnite-speed-fortnite-ishowspeed-gif-11283195977282967175

[inner relic]

If seedance 2.0 released, I would generate a video about SCP 5000

https://tenor.com/view/scp-o5-scp-foundation-gif-24708861

[desert pendant]

stop button just saved me right now, i accidently sent my prompt that wasn't finished and i quickly stopped the AI from do something

[weak dagger]

It may come next month

[tight meadow]

AI model i found

[toxic verge]

Can’t you tell by the video aspect ratio?

[obsidian sky]

How to make image to video

[toxic verge]

https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1475080934872191028

[golden ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294096350589353997/1376511251206635631/2392.gif?ex=69b73640&is=69b5e4c0&hm=e2091f7c740184d8e7cf4e9d3c59adc40d67fcc811b3b71048ebe7ef385d4203&

sora 2 pro

[terse shuttle]

why recraft 4 not works?

[red sluice]

xd thank god I'm not paying for the API, it's been doing that for 5 minutes now

always funny when it glitches 💀

[golden ocean]

check ur credit card charges rn

[gleaming roost]

💀

WOW

That was fast

[red sluice]

Where is seedream 2.0

[rain bay]

its strange that i am blocked by the recaptcha if i login with my google account, but i can simply use arena without any login

@echo aurora

[toxic verge]

https://youtu.be/KXtSt0sZpxg?si=7OiVygo0X_R54NGc

[broken horizon]

is the GPT 5.2 chat error?

it keep spinning

hellow

[meager sun]

What is gemini 5.2

[meager sun]

Api in 2 years after they rebrand from airena to apirena

[storm dust]

i think he meant gpt 5.2

[gleaming roost]

😊

[broken horizon]

gpt-5.2-chat-latest
Generating... <<< what must to do if this stuck like this?

[loud verge]

https://www.vxinstagram.com/reel/DV1rnoREqfS/

[loud verge]

Refresh website

@meager sun I read your name as obama fart dung yoda.

[gleaming roost]

???

[loud verge]

You don't understand English?

[broken horizon]

did it, dint work

still spinning. pissin me off since now i need to start new chat and teach this dumbfck robot again

[broken horizon]

dafq is this scamm sht??

[toxic verge]

Everybody knows not to hit a woman.

This is the type of content that people. & community’s should be able to discuss if it’s ai related and the ai generated it

But this falls under offensive and suggestive content that most platforms are quick to shut down

This is why this is censorship because of violate the term of services of discord or any other community, which is ridiculous because Bill Burr makes the same jokes on his comedy stand-up stuff it’s millions of views

controversial is difficult to categorize so as not to appear to biased or offensive.

[loud verge]

It died then. Start new chat.

[loud verge]

But what if the woman hits you first?

[toxic verge]

I feel like a true gentleman he knows

I mean, anybody that’s been raised with a mother even people that haven’t been raised with the mother it just a taboo. It’s really looked down upon if a dude does it