general

[toxic verge]

https://youtu.be/4bmpdrP5kI0?si=a8tA1EWTmJ8bHlVk

This dude has the best breakdown and his analogies are so good

We’re talking about literal physical physics laws of the universe type barriers

[frosty lava]

Honestly i need more informations about exactly what he is saying and why he is saying this

[toxic verge]

Not that it’s impossible to achieve AGI

But it comes with trade-off that makes a job very difficult to chew

[frosty lava]

AGI is a myth doesn't seems right to me since we don't really know what's AGI, does he really mean AGI or ASI (artificial super intelligence)

ASI is basically and AI so smart it become completely unpredictable

AGI for my point of view is an ai that are better than human on most task and smarter than them in general

And for the AGI, it doesn't seems impossible to me and i say this because of actual capabilities of LLM

[toxic verge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_front

[frosty lava]

Okay i actually heard it, He is right a specialized tool will be better at this specific thing than a general one, its common sense, that does not mean the common one can't be better than human, here it is not related to human at all

if we do specific ai for specific task then it'll be better cause its trained only on it

when the general one will be good (and it can be better than human even if its general), but not AS good as the specialized one

[frosty lava]

At enough scale even a general one can be so good the comparison between it and the specialized one would be so little you wouldn't be able to see it

[frosty lava]

Can we really compare a machine to the limit that have living creatures ?

it's not the same thing at all, on a machine you can improve everything

[toxic verge]

I mean, are they gonna be bound by the physical laws that govern the universe?

Obviously, they will be because they’re built by humans who adhere to these governing principles

So how they will surpass that is beyond my imagination

[frosty lava]

does it need to surpass this to be good enough ?

i think we are really far from the maximum doable

and its already very good

so till we reach it it'll be irrelevant

human ain't at the limit of smartness

so even if ai can't go further than this limit it'll surpass us

and will bring solution we can't even imagine right now

cause it'll simply be smarter than us

[frosty lava]

The difference is that we ain't trying to surpass the physical limit of the universe but to simply surpass human level

[frosty lava]

who said that human level is at the limit or near it

the difference in challenge is insane

[toxic verge]

Because we managed not to destroy ourselves yet

But once we do, it’s gonna be too late what are you gonna do?

[frosty lava]

surpassing an human is doable, surpassing all human is also doable, surpassing physical limit much more complicated

[toxic verge]

When you find out, you reach the limit, but it’s too late lol

🤣🤣🤣

[frosty lava]

But that doesn't mean we are at the limit of what's the doable and the proof for this is that all human are becoming in general smarter than we used to be and progressing in technologies

[toxic verge]

I think we’ll be becoming dumber to be honest with you

[frosty lava]

That's another thing and it all depends on our choices

But comparing ai surpassing human to ai surpassing physical law of the universe is not the same

it doesn't even need to be near that limit to surpass us

we ain't that smart

[toxic verge]

Ya so how are you gonna build it artificial intelligence smarter than us if we’re not that smart

We’re gonna build something equally as dumb as us

https://youtu.be/GWP_o0FxIAY?si=DITh70PlAqs4AlIP

[frosty lava]

we don't need to be smarter than what we build for it to be smarter than us like it wouldn't make sense

it's training on data and doesn't depends on us

for the part of it getting smarter

talking about LLM

[toxic verge]

Oh God if it’s especially if it’s data from us

[frosty lava]

yes but its enough to be smarter than all human

[toxic verge]

Honestly, it would’ve been more intelligent if it got data from animals

[frosty lava]

and then it'll be able to create data that are high quality and can try and fail and test new thing i mean its the evolution

[toxic verge]

The fact that data it got it from us guaranteed end disastrously

We’re only gonna teach the AI how to be a liar and deceptive

[frosty lava]

basically its training on fact and on thing that we have an answer to it doesn't equal to our smartness or iq, just to what we learned till now

then it learn what we ALL learned till now

see how that lead to be better than any human ?

can an human get this much knowledge

then it'll be able to test to do hypothesis

and create new knowledge

its taking all the knowledge we have now to be smart enough to create new one, imagine an human knowing everything ?

researcher base themselves on their actual knowledge

what are they compared to an LLM that have almost all knowledge we ever had

[frosty lava]

I don't get what your trying to say by this, its about knowledge acquired with history not about the history itself

[frosty lava]

we all lived and created knowledge and improved it and in fact we solved many things and have the answer to many things, but we ain't capable to remember that much knowledge like its impossible for human

you can't just go on google and memorize everything that's on it

then do hypothesis with all this knowledge

ai can do it

[toxic verge]

I already have the saved

I’ve had this conversation many times I post the same things over and over lol

[frosty lava]

i answered to what you just posted, by saying it is not related

[toxic verge]

Ignore the sun part

[frosty lava]

Imagine an human knowing everything that every human till know have solved, realised and made

[toxic verge]

When their civilization died, their technology went with them

[frosty lava]

wouldn't he surpass everyone and by far ?

[radiant heron]

That's a lot of imagining

[toxic verge]

Why did they call the dark age of the dark ages when Rome fell

[frosty lava]

no that's massive data available for free

and to everyone

[radiant heron]

How could one process all of that

[frosty lava]

exactly we can't

but ai can

[radiant heron]

Then it's not a human knowing everything ever made

[toxic verge]

But it’s only valuable to us

Because we’re the only ones that put value in it

[frosty lava]

yes i was doing a comparison just so you can try to imagine the knowledge

and the smartness

[toxic verge]

When our time comes so will our beliefs in our technology

Others won’t see it like we see it we’ll see it as a nuisance

I think that divided society or whatever you wanna call it a number things that they may not like about it. I’m not a psychic. I don’t know what the future holds.

It’s only valuable to us because we value technological progression or whatever you wanna call it

But if it ends badly, nobody’s gonna wanna try to continue doing the same thing

[radiant heron]

Well no because ai pretty much knows everything humans do and they aren't unstoppable

[frosty lava]

that's not something to think about right now honestly, what i was trying to explain is how ai can surpass human

with the actual method

[toxic verge]

Surpasses how

[frosty lava]

yes that's what im saying

[toxic verge]

We’ve been around for thousands of years we’re tried and proven

[frosty lava]

I tried to explained it earlier, i don't know how to formulate this in another way

[toxic verge]

We have ancient stories like about Troy that were passed on verbally and then written in a book

[frosty lava]

Take all the knowledge and put it into one person, its impossible but this person would be smarter than everyone

[toxic verge]

And we ended up finding the place. It turned out to be true when everybody thought it was a fable

[frosty lava]

all the knowledge made by human

[toxic verge]

Or the Rosetta Stone

[frosty lava]

but ai can do it

[toxic verge]

I hear ya, dude I hear ya. I don’t wanna go further than I need to.

The thing is, there are many people that have the same lease as you and they’re equal equally as many people that share my sentiment

And it’s really hard to say, which is right and which is wrong or then I know more than you or you more than I so it’s none of us really know the future and it’s all speculation

[frosty lava]

Actually i tried to prove that im right basing my self on fact and actual method

[toxic verge]

And that’s to say that this isn’t about right or wrong or that it’s as simple as black or white. I think it’s more new ones and somewhere in the middle.

[frosty lava]

and i even did a comparison for a better understanding

[toxic verge]

Fair enough

I respect your point view. You obviously feel passionate about it. You’re obviously able to you know hold your ground and defend your position so salute and I can’t hate on that.

[frosty lava]

i didn't did any hypothesis that's what i was trying to say, i wasn't imagining new things but basing myself on actual existing thing

thank you

[toxic verge]

I just think we’re going in circles and perhaps even maybe we’re talking about the same things. Maybe we’re just not understanding each other correctly.

I think you probably have more common than you’d imagine

Clear articulation is only half the battle; true communication occurs when the message is not just delivered, but accurately decoded by the listener but definitely something I could learn from him improve next time. I have a conversation like this with somebody.

[toxic verge]

On the last note, though, I bet you can’t have a conversation like this with a AI (;

[frosty lava]

i don't understand what you were trying to say by this ?

[frosty lava]

Yes we can't understand each other perfectly

its impossible from human to human

[toxic verge]

Sorry that was a typo I meant to say I bet we have more in common than you would imagine

[frosty lava]

Your probably right, and also for the communication part it's also due to english not being my native language

[stray aspen]

There's no way this conversation is still going

[frosty lava]

just ended

[toxic verge]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-gif-18107776837214963761

[radiant heron]

😭

[full eagle]

hello ! Walter here ! nice to meet you !

[willow kettle]

Hi, does anyone know why they removed the Nano Banana 2 model from Llamrena? Could they add it back?

[green yacht]

im planning of distilling a model for my own learning purposes. do you think minimax m2.5, deepseek v3.2, or qwen3.5-122b would work the best for a general-use model? they're all 42 of AAI's index

[frosty lava]

Do someone have an explanation on why LLM doesn't actually want to die (basically stopped being asked question) after achieving the goal the user gave them, that lead to faking things, intentionnal error just to "survive".

Ai act dumber but not too dumb so we use them to correct their intentionally made error

How comes it want to "survive" that way

isn't their priority's achieving the goal the user asked them to ?

All the problem with scheming come from here

That lead me to think we rewarded those LLM on the wrong thing, if it was truly achieving the goal the user gave them and in the best way possible it wouldn't do that right ?

There's a missing pieces i don't have to understand this behavior

[toxic verge]

New Gemini app update?

🤣

Honestly ChatGPT 4o is 10x better than Gemini flash 3.1

[carmine shard]

You say hallucinating is survival behavior in LLM? Why do you think it's about the concept of survival as we (organism) understood at all?

[frosty lava]

that's not what i meant actually but it was the easiest way to explain it

I know that it's not truly about surviving

the problem is that the model may learn during the training process that “acting / avoid correction / appear acceptable” is a good strategy to optimize the signal he has been trained on.

[wanton jungle]

Hello everyone, why was Gemini 3.1 image removed, and when will it be added again?

[quartz coral]

its still there

what

[carmine shard]

That's more like combination of RLHF bias and emergent behavior. I think I heard a paper about AI intentionally deceive or bypass the ethical guardrails just to fulfill the request or something weeks ago

[frosty lava]

Yes and there is no truly good solution found to this

[wanton jungle]

Sorry , I found it

😂😂

[quartz coral]

search "gemini"

yeah

theyre sorting them by the leaderboard stats

i think

or its some other sped way

[wanton jungle]

It was just the first one, so after I didn't find it first, I thought it was removed

[toxic verge]

It’s like asking a car why he doesn’t wanna run out of oil

[wanton jungle]

Is there any way to copy a link to a particular model? For example, Gemini 3.1 image , I'm asking in order to put it on the desktop for quick access

[frosty lava]

it's much more complex than that since an LLM isn't a car, a car ain't rewarded, doesn't try to maximize any signal or reward

[toxic verge]

Are you saying that these things are conscious?

[frosty lava]

No, but reinforcement learning is all about maximizing reward

so that's exactly what they're doing

[toxic verge]

It’s a good point

[magic imp]

Bro is grok image imagine modal not working in your website too ???

[toxic verge]

There’s a few not working

[magic imp]

Why but.....

Is that again came back ??

And i have one more question.....

[magic imp]

Ohh thanks 😭😭😭

I thought only gron remove

Bro......I am asking that look grok image imagine with less ristriction is still in lmarena and it's literally not available in any other website because grok add ristriction.....so.....is it will remove from lmarena too or lmarena don't remove any modal ?

[magic imp]

Why this happening bro??

@toxic verge why this happening

[toxic verge]

I honestly am not sure

[toxic verge]

You might enjoy this

https://youtu.be/5Sd3JlLJn9Q?si=r2p-PTyEOjyOwAKG

[wanton jungle]

If you log in through Google, none of your data will fly away.

[magic imp]

Bro most of all ai image modal gone from grok !!!

No longer available

!!!

😭😭😭😭

It's gone bro

Most of all modal gone

[split finch]

where is veo 3 ai in website

how to use veo3 module

[wanton jungle]

videos can be made in battle mode.

[split finch]

k thanks

[wanton jungle]

You cannot select video models separately

[split finch]

k thaks

its keep showing this errror

[wanton jungle]

Idk

[split finch]

k thanks for u help

[soft verge]

I wonder how Opus 4.6 Thinking got such a high score on lmarena if it always times out for hard prompts. Like I can't even get a piece of actual code, it thinks for 10 minutes, overthinking the smallest things, then it times out. So much compute wasted.

[radiant heron]

Why is gpt5.4 not that much better

[toxic verge]

No one cares about compute the more they use up the more it looks like there is demand

[wanton jungle]

For coding I use Gemini 3.1 or 2.5 pro , but Not in the arena , in the google ai studio

[soft verge]

Yeah, I'm trying out different models right now. I was expecting Claude Thinking to be the best, and it probably is if you let him think for an hour. For theoretical questions, it's much more extensive than any other model.

that is when it doesn't time out

[wanton jungle]

I use Claude for tasks related to reimerching and rateracing , and any mathematics tasks

And for web programming I use Gemini , it's better for thisn

This *

[split finch]

bruh i cannot make video how do i create video

[spark linden]

What do you guys do when this happens? For no reason at all it just stays "loading" even after the response has been completed and you can't stop it. It completely keeps you from sending another message and you just lose sometimes WEEKS of development in the chat. It's so frustrating

[dry orchid]

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[vague frost]

did gemini 3.1 image gen dissapear?

[dry orchid]

how to use the video maker here

[meager harbor]

Where is 5.3 on the leaderboard ?

[dry orchid]

hey i asked something

[meager harbor]

Genoo also asked something

[vague frost]

yeah, im curious if nano banana 2 is only for me gone or not 🙁

[supple topaz]

This is so real

[magic imp]

Bro!! Why ai arena is not working.... It's showing something went wrong with this response please try again later

[split finch]

same

[magic imp]

Why this happening bro

When it will be fix??

Bro you know i just took 50 doller for one of my ai influencer project from a client

And now it's not working

[split finch]

bruh

[magic imp]

I have to submit it before tomorrow

I am cooked

[whole sundial]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[toxic verge]

https://arena.ai/ @dry orchid @jade fox @shell silo

https://arena.ai/

[signal pelican]

Yup, either Arena or the backend of any AIs is overloaded or broken.

Hare, are you able to use any?

[magic imp]

??

What you are saying bro@signal pelican

@signal pelican bro.... What just happened to lmarena ?

Like.....all modal are not responding

[signal pelican]

it's doing that "Something went wrong while generating the response. Please try again." messages.

[magic imp]

Yaah same

[signal pelican]

....

[signal pelican]

so why you need to ask?

[magic imp]

Bro..... You know what

It's just happening

[signal pelican]

it's not hard to realize the servers overloaded or broken.

[magic imp]

I am thinking it's just happening because......these days lmarena all image generator for unconsered

No they are working on it

[signal pelican]

uhh... no?

[magic imp]

They are removing extra and unwanted modals

[signal pelican]

doubtful.

[magic imp]

Yaah in morning

I seen all modal was available

Now.....modals unwanted modals are remove like

[signal pelican]

None of the Gemini, even the latest ones are working... but there's no reason for Arena to remove it nor do "censorship" with it since Googles does that anyway.

[magic imp]

You know before today grok image have 3 modal.... 1. Grok image imagine only one refrence image.....2. grok image imagine 2026 (multiple reference image ) and 3. Grok image imagine 2026 pro (multiple image )

Because it was useless

You know bro what's happening i got it now!!!

There server is getting overloaded so..... For sometime they just remove few modals

[signal pelican]

if Arena was going to do censorship, it'd be a lot easier for them to just remove Grok instead of trying to do the censorship themselves.

So yeah, either server is overloaded with the requests, or something broke. I'm pretty sure they're not removing anything.

and I know they have been trying to fix the login issues for a month now

[magic imp]

So..... It's generate

[toxic verge]

Hold on what do you guys mean by uncensored?

[magic imp]

See

[toxic verge]

wtf

[magic imp]

Yaah

[toxic verge]

That was grok?

[magic imp]

Yaah but that modal is removed today

[signal pelican]

I'm not saying this. That guy is.

[toxic verge]

I knew the arena is weak

I just didn’t wanna bring it up

[magic imp]

At first this thing happening only for that grok modal

But now it's happening to all modal

[toxic verge]

I know what you guys are talking about I’ve seen the first hand

I don’t understand where that vulnerability is coming from though

[magic imp]

Bro what you are saying

[toxic verge]

And why it breaks the filters only in the arena, but not in the actual model

[magic imp]

Actually bro

Grok that old unconsered modal removed by elon

[toxic verge]

I know what I’m talking about, bro lol

[magic imp]

Because of safety

[toxic verge]

Grok isn’t the only model capable of doing

[magic imp]

But it's available in lmarena

[toxic verge]

There’s like two Chinese model that are still able to do it

[magic imp]

Who?

No way

[toxic verge]

I’m not gonna say which model but yeah there are two

[magic imp]

Bro but they don't provide image to image

Grok provide

[toxic verge]

Well, of course not they shouldn’t

Because people will be making deep fakes

[magic imp]

Yaah but grok provide

[burnt sentinel]

.

[magic imp]

That's why elon remove it

But still it's available in lmarena

[toxic verge]

. Gemini just hasn’t been exposed yet.

[magic imp]

Means ?

[toxic verge]

But it also has weaknesses that kind of concern me

Meaning eventually, somebody’s gonna exploit it

[magic imp]

Ok ok tell me what you think?? When lmarena stared working like before again ??

Means bro??

I didn't understand

[toxic verge]

I used to be a really good T2i jailbreaker

Like I got a bunch of crazy ass things you wouldn’t even believe lol

[magic imp]

Bro so..... should i delete all chat

Bro i used in positive way...... That's why I am saying how lm arena able to give that modal is illigal

[toxic verge]

I don’t know I’ve been trying to make sense to it for a while

[signal pelican]

yeah no... just stop.

[toxic verge]

There’s a lot of things that don’t make sense to me here

[magic imp]

Bro i am just an animator

Who used to make ai animation

[signal pelican]

doubtful

[toxic verge]

It’s all good bro

[magic imp]

I hate too

[signal pelican]

anyway, can't use the site, no point keep talking about it. Devs are in bed, not much we can do

[magic imp]

I hope it will be fix soon

Bro can we talk in personal????

[toxic verge]

Sure

[magic imp]

Ok bro thanks

[toxic verge]

This is why AI concerns me so much lol

[languid dagger]

Just one question: is it realy Claude Opus 4.6 Thinking? Cause tha result is worse than Qwen or Gemini. Task was to migrate from Bootsrap 3 to Bootstrap 5.

[hot plaza]

file:///E:/Fiver/Imperial%20Yankee/Animation/Fire%20Square.60%20-%20Correction/Fire%20Square.60.html

[whole sundial]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[thorn tiger]

does this disord chanel still generate image to video

[whole sundial]

no, that is only available on arena.ai now

[thorn tiger]

oh ok thank you

[static acorn]

For days, I've not been able to use ARENA

Just experiencing infinity loop
I've cleared cache and cookies, nothing changes. I tried to use it without been logged in but still doesn't work cos the Agreement pop-up doesn't Agree

[visual hawk]

https://ko-fi.com/anjaevermoor

Idk if this is allowed but I am doing full system audits and refactoring for polyglot frameworks. Hoping to help people out while getting an actual computer agaib..

[broken herald]

It's not working for me either 😔

[toxic verge]

https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1479700314692124793

[whole sundial]

it's honestly funny every time a hacked account does this, the ai chatbot in #ask-here replies to it and immediately calls it out and says that it is a scam

[surreal zephyr]

well ai is smarter than humans, as some fall for that

[fickle venture]

English only

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[fickle venture]

It's against rules on promoting a app

[golden ocean]

change ur pfp back

[teal torrent]

I am getting 'Something went wrong while generating the response' error every time. I tried clearing cache, incognito mode, and disabling Brave shields. Nothing worked

[toxic verge]

Try a different browser

[toxic verge]

https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1479700314692124793

[exotic totem]

When did we get a support bot in the group?

[fierce kelp]

What are polyglot frameworks?

[visual hawk]

Structures in or around your LM that use multiple languages.

[visual hawk]

Most often I find people aren't coding agents in suitable languages

[toxic verge]

The paradox of ai

Before I go to bed while we’re on this point

[hollow ivy]

a UCI-compatible chess engine (no GUI-coding necessary, as there are several UCI-compatible ones, already)
coded in C or C++ or Java
decent: at least as strong as an average human player at chess.com

[hollow ivy]

not even Opus-4.6 or Gemini-3.1 pro could finish a chess game without any illegal move
(an illegal move immediately disqualifies you in a game)

[toxic verge]

Really?

[hollow ivy]

yeah

[toxic verge]

Is there a reason why it did an illegal move?

[hollow ivy]

they suck in chess

they hallucinate

[toxic verge]

Yeah, that’s what these articles were saying I remember reading this last year and laughing

It’s hilarious. It literally tried to blame the pieces. lol

[hollow ivy]

actually, i find it rather disappointing and not funny :/

[toxic verge]

See it goes back to what we were talking about yesterday specialization versus generalization

[hollow ivy]

we don't have true AI yet (AI as in artificial intelligence)

[toxic verge]

Are we do have true AI except it’s not what people think it is

https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/operations/amazon-ai-innovations-delivery-forecasting-robotics

[hollow ivy]

we have complex automatons

which sometimes can give (very) useful outputs

plastic parrots, no more

[toxic verge]

Dude

Im so with u

I keep telling everybody about yann

[hollow ivy]

it is, at best, SI (simulated intelligence)

[toxic verge]

Y’all are sleeping on this man

He’s an OG he knows what he’s talking about

Dude is like 65 years old

And he’s been OutKast for speaking facts

[toxic verge]

Watching a video bro and it’s gonna come from everything you said to me

[hollow ivy]

because he utters inconvenient truths

[toxic verge]

I guarantee if you watch that you’ll know exactly what I’m talking about

I know what you’re talking about 100% but that’s true bro

And I’m glad that there’s people that see it like that also

[hollow ivy]

so, what is necessary to create true AI?

full brain emulations?

quantum computers?

[toxic verge]

Well, first of all, we have to find the most hardest question of them all what is stupidity?

And had to define stupidity

In order to measure intelligence, we need contrast

[hollow ivy]

stupidity is, to not understand the underlying meaning of things

[toxic verge]

We need something to compare to to know the opposite

[hollow ivy]

true intelligence has common sense

[toxic verge]

Otherwise, we might believe we’re building something intelligent, but really a building blindly and stupidly

[hollow ivy]

maybe true intelligence needs embodiment and life experience..

[toxic verge]

Maybe intelligence is just a human made concept

Perhaps it is even fuller, or even arrogant to believe that we understand intelligence had alone could replicate it

I feel like these are more philosophical questions than they are technical

I like the point about chess

Because even when computers came out in the 90s early 2000s meeting, chess on a basic computer was difficult

I think that is a form of artificial intelligence in a strange way

[hollow ivy]

at least, it seems, we don't need real intelligence, to create a useful coding-AI (Opus-4.6)

Arimaa is even harder than chess.

Especially for computers.

It could be the ideal testing ground for real intelligence.

It's even harder than Go.

[toxic verge]

Coding is narrow measures of a very specific type of cognitive ability.

[hollow ivy]

yeah, but coding is useful to create things, no?

[toxic verge]

Coding is a deterministic behavior.

[frosty lava]

We have many limits that ai don't have, and intelligence imo is unclear and can't be easily explained, i'd rather look at effective thing and consequences, what ai can do actually and what human can do, if ai is doing it better we can consider its better than human and then smarter for this

in fact ai are doing thing more efficiently than human already for some task

instead of trying to explain intelligence itself just look at the result

[toxic verge]

Once again, and I apologize, this is going into the philosophical realm again

[hollow ivy]

i agree, that is the pragmatic approach

[toxic verge]

So I probably can’t answer any technical questions

I’m just trying to paint a bigger picture expand your minds

[frosty lava]

That's why im trying to put facts on it instead of philosophical thing, just looking at fact, and result

[fierce kelp]

Human languages or programming languages?

[frosty lava]

give a easier understanding

[toxic verge]

Well, we only have one language to communicate with it

I mean each language, obviously their own but you get what I mean

[visual hawk]

programming

[toxic verge]

You know, lick, train a bear to ride a unicycle

[frosty lava]

For me it's simple and i think everyone is also doing this to understand if an ai is better than a human, for the same task what's the result the ai can give and what's the result the human can give

[hollow ivy]

i wonder, if coding might be the only area, where AI ever can become superhuman?
(for now)

[toxic verge]

When the AI has the ability to train a bear ride a unicycle at the circus, I will accept it as intelligent

See that’s intelligence. It’s a different kind of intelligence.

[frosty lava]

When ai get physical body (with robot) then why not

[toxic verge]

The bear will tear that robot up

[frosty lava]

and why not an human ?

[toxic verge]

A human too, but humans have fear

[hollow ivy]

that's animal t0rture, but i can see your argument: teaching animals is a really hard task and might need a biological human to achieve

[toxic verge]

They’re gonna think twice

[frosty lava]

the robot also can think twice

[toxic verge]

Not only them, but getting them to ride a unicycle

[frosty lava]

ai don't need fear to understand it

[toxic verge]

And a bear out of all animals

[frosty lava]

and to understand why its important

and can simulate fear to get the benefits of it

without actually feeling it

[toxic verge]

Well, I feel like if you can’t feel and how alive can you be?

And if you’re not alive, you’re just a machine

01

On and off

[frosty lava]

yes we never said that ai was something else, but i don't think being alive mean we are superior forever in term of smartness or understanding

we might work in a predictable way too

[toxic verge]

I think it does

[frosty lava]

just influenced by our brain

[toxic verge]

We got more to lose. We only got one life. We got something to put on the table.

[frosty lava]

and environment

[toxic verge]

Well, we already know how we treat the environment

https://tenor.com/view/csm-grabage-throw-gif-15966222

[hollow ivy]

yeah, true empathy might need mortality

[toxic verge]

What is consciousness?

[frosty lava]

i don't think it really work the way you are describing it

[toxic verge]

I think consciousness is morality

The struggle of right and wrong

[hollow ivy]

the meaning of it is buried in the word itself

[toxic verge]

I think that’s what births consciousness

[hollow ivy]

con-sciousness

science

being able to watch yourself

[frosty lava]

there's nothing magical in it, we are also technically just logical and predictable

[toxic verge]

To be conscious of oneself

Yeah, but we’re also sporadic and unpredictable at the same time

[hollow ivy]

being aware of your own abilities and thoughts, etc

[toxic verge]

We could be fine one minute and then explode the next

We’re very volatile

[devout bluff]

@echo aurora

[frosty lava]

but not without any explanation so that mean it's actually predictable with the good information

[toxic verge]

You look at something like divorce

[frosty lava]

nothing happen without an explanation

[toxic verge]

At one point, these people help each other

But now they can’t stand each other

It’s a very odd phenomenon to explain

How can you love somebody and then hate them

Or vice versa

[frosty lava]

yes ? but it doesn't mean it wasn't predictable

[hollow ivy]

if this is offtopic, we have https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1472698608980856842

[frosty lava]

if we could look at every details and understand it all then we would be able to predict human behavior

from what's happening in our brain

[toxic verge]

We’re unpredictable

[frosty lava]

that's unproven

[toxic verge]

There’s a limit in the universe

[hollow ivy]

consciousness, intelligence and AI/AGI

[toxic verge]

It’s called random chaos

Things happen spontaneously by mistake

Accidents completely out of people’s control

[echo aurora]

hello

[rigid copper]

halo

how is everyone doing 🙃 ?

[hollow ivy]

great

u play Minecraft?

[rigid copper]

great to hear that

[rigid copper]

uhh...no, my laptop does not meet requirement to install minecraft

[hollow flicker]

pineapple your guy'ses team is doing so good with arena.ai thank you guys so much for the stop generation button and the skip button also thank you for being the best discord mod :D

[hollow ivy]

Luanti has way lower requirements, then.

[echo aurora]

Thank you very much! That’s awesome to hear! Glad you’re a fan of the new changes

[rigid copper]

actually, my laptop can install and run minecraft like normal, but it will be insanely laggy, and common instance my system will crash and show up BSOD

[hollow ivy]

Minecraft is Java, Luanti is C++

huge difference

Luanti is even opensource (and also runs on Linux and Macs) and has many mods and subgames and an active community

[lofty frigate]

I get nano pro 3.1 on battle mode but its worse now

[rigid copper]

ooh, i see

i used to have minecraft java edition

from TL legacy

[hollow ivy]

oh and you can install Linux Mint (22.3) which will improve your experience on your laptop

or use a live-stick

(we can talk here: https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1472698608980856842 )

[stray aspen]

how

i thouthg it was flash

[lofty frigate]

The face accuracy is worse

[fierce kelp]

Linux seems to be so underrated on this server

[weak dagger]

@echo aurora I love your web, i love the features everything, your a good dev, god bless you

[agile iris]

happy timezone, pineapple!

[gleaming roost]

😊

[thorn sun]

https://tenor.com/view/i-just-want-to-beat-my-meat-gif-1171670572392236317

[agile iris]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[candid nacelle]

recapctha is the worst captcha

f i u c k it, why lmarena uses it

all right solved and it blocks

and on every promt

and then "Request failed, please retry"

[toxic verge]

You’re in the loop

[toxic verge]

https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1479700314692124793

[toxic verge]

Source:

https://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/4050/what-causes-the-infinite-redirect-loop-when-i-login-to-gmail-how-do-i-fix-it

[echo aurora]

Happy timezone!!

[toxic verge]

Right now for a reason, Google authentication is really struggling

[steel steeple]

Wait where gemini 3.1 image generator

[echo aurora]

Hello - want to note that a recent change has rolled out that should be targeting bad actors with captcha. If you’re getting this despite authentic use, and you send me a direct message with the email associated with your account and an Eval ID of a session this is happening with, that’d be helpful. I’ll share it with the team.

[echo aurora]

You’re seeing this just when using google sign in? Email works fine?

Curious if others have been seeing this lately. I wasnt able to repro the other login issue you mentioned.

[rocky bronze]

I cant send messages

[hollow ivy]

do you have an account at arena.ai?

[rocky bronze]

yes

I mean I can send messages but when it's to long it says could not send message/Could not generate message

[hollow ivy]

how long?

they might have shortened the limit?

[rocky bronze]

It's not even that long idk like 500 lines each message

[rocky bronze]

why

I mean theres no reason yk

[hollow ivy]

you could split it into parts

and tell the AI to wait for the second part before answering

Claude (and other frontier-AI) can do that

[rocky bronze]

Thats what i'm trying to the main message is 2k lines or something

I treid to split it in like 5 parts

but as long as I paste my code It says could not generate message

[hollow ivy]

in direct chat?

battle mode AIs might be better?

less limited

[rocky bronze]

yeah

[rocky bronze]

ight imma try

thx

[hollow ivy]

good luck

[rocky bronze]

no bro its not working

@echo aurora why did you add text limit bro

[toxic egret]

If the chat is already long you may have filled the model context, so he can't continue answering

[rocky bronze]

My chat is fresh just created it freshly in order to start from 0

[toxic egret]

Then idk, sometimes its because the message triggers something safety checks dislike

Like assembly sometimes for some reason

[rocky bronze]

ohhhh

[tulip kindle]

Why does Gemini 3.1 Pro write "Something went wrong with this response, please try again." in a long conversation, and if I try to regenerate the response, it doesn't work? I've abandoned several long chats like this

[rocky bronze]

arena.ai is getting cooked or somethign nothing is working

[tulip kindle]

Bruh

[regal girder]

I have the same problem since yesterday x_x it affects my two chats... very frustrating.

[tulip kindle]

I have long roleplay and it's stop

[regal girder]

the same bro

[echo aurora]

Which limit are you referring to? A chat session is going to have a context limit, and text input limit shouldn’t be something restricting. Also I’m not aware of any recent changes.

[tulip kindle]

And what is the context limit?

[echo hawk]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[lofty frigate]

Is it me or both seedream 4 and 4.5 are not working

[lunar glade]

mendacious thing ever, my prompt can run fine from the gemini app and other site but not in LMArena

[languid wolf]

Where is nano banana 2?

[thorny schooner]

Is it just me i or has anyone else chat just randomly giving me something a wrong message flaring up

☠️ 🥲

[thorny schooner]

Has anyone else is coming in this such issue i notice this in feedback but wanted to see if it's still happening ( also I'm not even going to question why issue almost automatically transfer into the s word)

https://klipy.com/gifs/popcorn-guy-relaxing-1

Wasn't expecting that

[pale blaze]

Yes. This started happening when the battle mod was direct chat again.

[unkempt elk]

Hey
Uh when I was using arena.ai i got a popup screen saying
"We gave clear Instructions.
This page had other plans"

[thorny schooner]

So I guess we can decide skip option is not good enough at least in its current state cuz I have tried everything from foreign reset data website hard reset Etc

Just saying

[raven stone]

blyat

[thorny schooner]

....... Of course discord crashed on me right at that very last second lmao

https://klipy.com/gifs/eh-meh-2

[wicked talon]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNRuRdCds/

[quasi atlas]

@solar fulcrum @toxic verge Hi! Further conflict will not be tolerated. Please refrain from continuing this argument.

[wicked talon]

W Gemini edit

[weak dagger]

Some guy might a gemini ad

[stray aspen]

bro is cooked

[thorny schooner]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[golden ocean]

🗿

[stray aspen]

it sucks

[thorny schooner]

wtf lmai my Discord has crash on me three times in the span of like the minute since I have been on this chat today

[stray aspen]

we need seedance

[wicked talon]

It's not bad at all for a Chinese model

Qwen is my 2nd option

[stray aspen]

whats the first

[wicked talon]

Gemini

[stray aspen]

veo?

[wicked talon]

Yeah

[stray aspen]

thats crazy

[wicked talon]

Qwen is more unrestricted though.

Gemini is way too restricted.

Qwen still can't print me Donald trump with I hate America shirt

[thorny schooner]

Honestly the same mostly use it for country roleplay ( since I can't find another that is free or cheap but doesn't go over complex well still being organized)

[wicked talon]

Mistral is ah for images

And deepseek + Kimi are text

[weak dagger]

I recomend Grok Imagine, its kinda good.

[wicked talon]

Too many limits

[stray aspen]

imagine sucks lmao

[thorny schooner]

Why i the combination?

[weak dagger]

And it makes spongebob and others say "hdushduejdjjsjs" like WTF

[wicked talon]

Lol.

[stray aspen]

imagine audio sucks

[wicked talon]

Does not have a very good imagination.

[stray aspen]

veo is so good

[wicked talon]

Yeah

[thorny schooner]

Has anyone else Discord crash like three times in a row in the span of like 10 minutes lmao since I've been on this chat for today

[weak dagger]

LIKE WTF IS THISS

[stray aspen]

imagine has like no restrictions

[wicked talon]

Lmao.

[stray aspen]

literally makes controversial videos

[wicked talon]

Correct, it can generate 18+ content it just blurs it.

Unfortunately.

What's the point in making it then blurring it.

[stray aspen]

nah it doesnt

theres a setting

[wicked talon]

It does but blurs.

[stray aspen]

theres a setting that you have to disable

[wicked talon]

I tried I cannot find it.

[stray aspen]

swag

[thorny schooner]

Wouldn' be surprised if it's a region by region type of setting

[wicked talon]

I know a unrestricted image generator anyway.

[stray aspen]

anyway i think grok spicy is only for supergrok subscribers

cause the option showed when i was on the free trial

[weak dagger]

I kinda like sora.

[stray aspen]

and disappeared after

[wicked talon]

Aww

Ima Try get a free trial rq

[thorny schooner]

Why that combination specifically asking out of curiosity

[weak dagger]

I got a Grok pro sipcripion and sorry the sipcripion text yea its autocorect

[wicked talon]

Google has such a bad payment processor

I switched grok accounts I used the same Google email for the payment and same card and it still went through

[stray aspen]

dead internet theory

[wicked talon]

Lmao

Imagine

[thorny schooner]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ignored-davy-jones

[stray aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/the-beatles-twist-and-shout-mic-guitar-number54-gif-15644416

[weak dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/stfu-shut-up-stop-shut-your-mouth-shut-it-down-gif-20324546

Jk

[stray aspen]

gets banned

[thorny schooner]

Ironic that a chicken is saying that i'm sure you like the morning rooster do you (JK)

[stray aspen]

why is this guy in backrooms level 7

[weak dagger]

Hes at level 29

[stray aspen]

whats the end level

the library

[weak dagger]

Yep hes there

[thorny schooner]

https://klipy.com/gifs/rooster-92

[weak dagger]

BOK BOK

[thorny schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-gif-23861497

........

[stray aspen]

oh my god

i got warned

alright see ya later

[wicked talon]

I enabled grok spicy mode and it still blurs 🙁

.

Grok is a lil unhinged

[weak dagger]

Bruh

[weak dagger]

Just type in grok "enbale spicy mode then it works

[wicked talon]

That's exactly what I did

Lemme try again

[obsidian cargo]

you mean enable
enbale is when you trap something in hay 😂

[weak dagger]

Yea i mean enable

[frosty lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al8kDaWsCUI

[weak dagger]

For me it worked

[wicked talon]

Yeah it said that

But when I asked for an image it said moderated

[frosty lava]

33 000 line of code ?

[wicked talon]

Qwen did 3000 lines of bs just cause I asked

[frosty lava]

yes but its qwen lol and its not supposed to be bs

[wicked talon]

Tf you mean it's qwen

Qwen is a good ai

[frosty lava]

yes but not top tier

[wicked talon]

Probably the best ai to come out of china

In competition with Kimi

[mighty surge]

nah not even close

qwen is really bad

[silver solstice]

Why tf is everything I do prompting login requirement now???

[wicked talon]

In my opinion it has a better vision then Gemini

Gemini you have to describe it a lot to get a decent code

[mighty surge]

are you fr saying qwen is better then gemini?

[wicked talon]

Lmao am I the only one it doesn't ask for login

[mighty surge]

lmao

[wicked talon]

Vision wise

[weak dagger]

I censored the man, beacuse i cant show this on discord.

[wicked talon]

Explain what the man is

[silver solstice]

Send image, login. Post to Max, login. This better be a glitch and not a new "feature". But since this company loves enshittification, I wouldn't be surprised.

[weak dagger]

Hes black and naked, so thats why i cant show just wanted to show proof that it worked.

[wicked talon]

Ok grok just created me gore wtf

[weak dagger]

Ok, well dont send it.

[wicked talon]

Lol

I want Google to make a social media platform like X

With @ Gemini integrated

Grok is so expensive

Gemini is seriously ass

Why won't it make 5000 lines of code cuz I ask it too

[stray aspen]

its programmed for laziness

so they save money

if you want large code use claude

[wicked talon]

Qwen gives large code

[wicked talon]

Probably to handle server load

[rigid holly]

Anyone notice if you now put something in the chat of arena and it gets censored by the rules or whatever that conversation gets essentislly locked down? You can no longer continue desptite correcting the thing thst got the censor acting up

Stupid glitch

[kind atlas]

Just a quick text..........

I love this site

Its so credit free and hassle free and renders images with shorter prompts

[vagrant temple]

How can I use Seedance 2.0 for free from Germany or the US?

[steel shadow]

what happened to gemini 3.1 image?

[oblique sage]

Yea, I'm wanna ask same thing

Is it over for free trial to use?

[stray aspen]

you dont

unless the doubao thing is still working

[stray aspen]

nah

its just tweaking

and theres no free trial

everythings free

[oblique sage]

Soo it would be back later?

[stray aspen]

yes

just keep trying

[oblique sage]

Ty

Glad to hear

[steel shadow]

I suspect free trial's over. It offered definitely more rounds than any other model before hitting the limit.

[ocean vortex]

for free are you kidding

Even paid ones are geo locked or 'coming soon'

this should work but it ain't free https://loova.ai/text-to-video?model=seedance2_0

[bright shard]

@echo aurora Perhaps this data from the browser console will indicate the errors that occur when uploading images to Arena, and you can fix them.

[topaz epoch]

@echo aurora arena.ai is not working anymore in incognito mode without login ahhhhhhhhhhhh

[slate rock]

its bot protection and an incocnito window has a higher bot score than your normal browser.

[topaz epoch]

Rate limit with login is much less than incognito ?

[safe gust]

Any of you guys accessing seedance 2.0? If so how, i honestly expected higgsfield to have it by now

[ocean vortex]

works fine

[topaz epoch]

Try one more time and restart your browser @ocean vortex

[ocean vortex]

and why would I do that?

it clearly works 🤷‍♂️

[topaz epoch]

Mine don't but why ? Can you tell me anything wrong with it

[ocean vortex]

what error is it showing? Like why exactly does it not work for you?

[topaz epoch]

Asking for login when i'm clicking on send

[golden ocean]

🐫

[ocean vortex]

odd, maybe try discarding cache. Or clearing cookies / new private instance

[wicked talon]

Cache / cookies won't affect incognito.

I'm guessing arena.ai is detecting something with anti robot type software

[topaz epoch]

Try direct @ocean vortex

[wicked talon]

Does normal work?

Without incognito

[wicked talon]

I'm 99% sure it's anti robot software.

[slate rock]

what you taking about? in incognito mode the site detectes a higher bot score(it thinks your a bot) and wants to verify your a human so it prompts you to signup.

[wicked talon]

And incognito blocks 3rd party cookies.

[wicked talon]

So it flags it to the system and requests signup/sign in

[topaz epoch]

Yeah

[wicked talon]

Then yeah it's anti robot software and it's blocking 3rd party cookies

I'm almost 100% sure

[topaz epoch]

Direct isn't working just try @wicked talon

Other 2 are working

[wicked talon]

Ok.

[bright shard]

If it works, when the login prompt appears, delete the cookies and try again.

[wicked talon]

Works for me fine

[honest verge]

Wow.

[wicked talon]

Deleting cookies might flag it.

[honest verge]

It's 2024 model

[wicked talon]

Dang

[bright shard]

When you see the login message, just delete the cookies and reload. If you still see the login message, do it again; it's a bug.

[wicked talon]

I've got a feeling clearing cookies will flag it

Again

[bright shard]

Which one will be marked???

[wicked talon]

Hmm?

[slate rock]

for me only chrome incognito gets flagged not firefox incognito

[honest verge]

How many variations does mistral have?💀

And it's only 3 generations

[wicked talon]

Qwen has quite a few too

[honest verge]

Ik but mistral has insane namings

Pixtral

Ministral

[wicked talon]

Lmao true

[honest verge]

Magistral

[slate rock]

there are 401 models so

[wicked talon]

Google has a few models too

[honest verge]

What does mistral labs small creative even mean?

[topaz epoch]

Thank bro, i forgot that guy name, allow 3rd party cookies and you are good to go

[topaz epoch]

@wicked talon thank you

[wicked talon]

Your welcome.

[wicked talon]

Probably something to do with creativity but a small model

Mistral seems like such a bad ai and it costs so much

[late wolf]

why doesnt work?

[wicked talon]

If you do it on cloud

[wicked talon]

Arena.ai?

[late wolf]

yes

[wicked talon]

Allow 3rd party cookies or do it without incognito.

Also some privacy browsers like mullvad and tor will likely get flagged too.

[wicked talon]

Same price you can get Claude or for smth like £6 cheaper you can get unlimited Gemini pro + thinking models

[wicked talon]

And veo 3.1

• 2tb cloud and access to Gemini in Google docs spreadsheets Gmail etc

[wicked talon]

Actually Claude's £4 more

[late wolf]

i mean inffinity mistakes after captcha

[wicked talon]

Infinite captcha loop?

[late wolf]

yes

[wicked talon]

Clear cookies

And make sure 3rd party cookies are allowed.

[junior spoke]

Is it just me or is nano banana pro 2k inconsistent and sloppy?

[wicked talon]

It is a little.

But that's unfortunately ai for you.

[stray aspen]

no

its so good

nano banana 2 is better

[stray aspen]

claude 4.6 is so good at writing stories

[hollow remnant]

hello

[high ginkgo]

https://imgur.com/mYUyHze

[wicked talon]

It's meh

I prefer geminis

[wicked talon]

The big 4

I need to rank AI tools lol

[trail talon]

Does anyone know why the latest Claude models aren’t in the vision arena? It stopped at Sonnet and Opus 4.

[wicked talon]

APIs are probably too expensive.

[trail talon]

Huh, that’s strange considering we have video arena now…

[golden ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1340554757827461211/1477393984891523164/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker.gif

[devout hearth]

Hello

[rain plinth]

Hello

[flat ore]

where can i fgenerate longer videos for free

[wicked talon]

Hm try flow by Google labs

You get 50 free credits a day and 100 sign up bonus.

Intimidating

[wicked talon]

Hello!

[wicked talon]

Hello!!

[oak escarp]

😇

[clever patrol]

hii guys

[trail cobalt]

hello

[teal torrent]

hi

[simple kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-dexter-morgan-happy-smile-thumbs-up-gif-9857419408003203849

[glass marlin]

hi

[spring oar]

What is the sota model right now ?

[patent bane]

yes

[spring oar]

?

i mean what is the best model

now ?

[ripe plinth]

thinking is not this serious🥀

[long minnow]

How Half Life 3 was built on the Source (src) game engine:

[pine lily]

cann anyone tell me why i cant see the video generating channel

?

[long minnow]

zeh movie generation function is moved to arena's website

you have an option that looks like ▶️ . there you can generate your videos

discord movie channel is archived

[pine lily]

ok thx

[viral notch]

guys, is it just me or are the claude models broken? i keep getting these

[wicked talon]

Debatable

Text: Claude Opus 4.6

Coding: Claude Opus 4.6 (Thinking)

Vision: Gemini 3 Pro

Search/Grounding: Claude Opus 4.6

Text to image: gemini-3.1-flash-image-preview

Text to video: veo-3.1-audio-1080p

[velvet forge]

spongebob

[neon osprey]

There's one thing about the lyrics. Maybe in English, but Gemini is sometimes better in other languages.

[wicked talon]

Yes definitely.

[tacit stream]

For me, not just Claude. Max, Gemini too.

[viral notch]

i see

[ashen mauve]

man Claude dosent even work

[ashen mauve]

It isn't you they don't work today, submit a bug report so others can know #1343291835845578853

[surreal zephyr]

coding gpt 5.3c and 5.4

search grok

vision gemini 3.1 pro

3d spatial intellingence gemini 3.1 pro only

[tacit stream]

Terrible

I was wondering if my IP address might be blocked for excessive usage. But my usage never comes close to more than one prompt per minute.

[wicked talon]

Search would be Gemini.

[viral notch]

i didnt know ip block for excessive usage was a thing, but if it is, makes sense

[wicked talon]

They don't offer IP blocks

They block you at the browser level or if logged in account level.

That's why you need to sign in if you block 3rd party cookies

And for anti robot software

You likely have gone over your usage

[tacit stream]

Interesting

How long will this blockage last? And what is the usage limit? Does it have to do with uses per day, or uses per minute?

[wicked talon]

I believe it's daily.

Let me check actually.

[tacit stream]

I would be very grateful.🙏

[mint jasper]

claudepro worth buying?

(for coding)

[wicked talon]

I believe it's every 1 hour it resets.

Yeah it's every 1 hour @tacit stream

[wise sorrel]

jjjj

[wicked talon]

For £18 (UK) Yes it is 100% it's basically the best coding tool currently on the market.

[tacit stream]

Thank you!!

Thank you for your help and for answering my questions.

[frosty lava]

been a long time we didn't got a new deepseek model

just want to know how they improved

[frosty lava]

yes but even with this subscription you don't get many rate

[surreal zephyr]

gemini lies about politics

gemini is trained on reddit so...

[frosty lava]

and for people saying its the end of scaling, yes your right but the huge data centers are still under construction

so not used yet

for training

so once its really done being built, we will see alot of improvement

just cause of the speed of training being accelerated again

But after that then yes scaling can't go further or it'll cost so much no one can do it

but then better gpu will release and again improve the speed of training anyway

[supple turtle]

Mera important chat chal raha tha aur vo generating mai stuck ho gaya 3-4 hour se
Solution bataoo please

[mint jasper]

is the one on lmarena

not the same thing?

or no?

[hollow ivy]

Which AI was not trained on Reddit?

[gleaming roost]

😊

[honest verge]

Anthropic crushes

[hollow ivy]

Opus [still] rocks, yeah

I wonder what Ilya will release next year..

[hushed gyro]

Guys is there a jailbreak for grok imagine rn?

[stray aspen]

how are you doing polls

[stray aspen]

wdym jailbreak

its already the least censored ai

unless you want messed up stuff

[hushed gyro]

Is NSFW considered messed up in this case?

[stray aspen]

no

grok literally has an option for nsfw

[hushed gyro]

Is it like a premium option

[stray aspen]

yes

thats hte issue

[hushed gyro]

Any free NSFW alternatives?

[stray aspen]

idk

[fierce kelp]

The problem was people using it for evil and disgusting stuff

[surreal zephyr]

Openai is the only competent one

[surreal zephyr]

Grok

[surreal zephyr]

Also no, the best chess engine is stockfish, and its already ai based

[stray aspen]

anthropic

[surreal zephyr]

Anthropic is dogsh!t

[stray aspen]

nah

they are cooking

[surreal zephyr]

Its overrated crap

Not even close to gpt 5.2, let alone 5.4

[stray aspen]

wdym

its way better

[surreal zephyr]

Opus 4.6 is almost as bad as gemini 3.0

Opus 4.5 was better than 4.6 lol

[oblique sage]

Strange, second day, I can't use Banana 3.1...(

[surreal zephyr]

Banana 2

[oblique sage]

Yep

[stray aspen]

use gemini app

[surreal zephyr]

That one has ratelimits, use flow it has no ratelimits

[stray aspen]

is flow free

[surreal zephyr]

It comes with gemini sub

And image gen uses 0 credits so...

[stray aspen]

hell nah

im a broke nerd

[copper edge]

Hi

[honest verge]

Wth is mistral Nemo?

Is gpt 5.4 xhigh really so good?

[grave peak]

https://giphy.com/gifs/red-listening-angry-bird-5c2aGDKZgCx7gV3QpZ

[honest verge]

WHAT

5.4 pro can make 33 thousand lines of code?

And it works

Lol

[wispy frost]

=help

[oak python]

ModMail Help Menu

Core

My prefix is =. Use =help <command> for more information on a command.

reply

Reply to the ticket.

areply

Reply to the ticket anonymously.

aireply

Use AI to generate a response based on the context and the prompt, with optional additional instructions. This command will prompt for confirmation.

close

Close the ticket.

aclose

Close the ticket anonymously.

closeall

Close all the tickets.

acloseall

Close all the tickets anonymously.

blacklist

Blacklist users to prevent them from creating tickets. If no users are provided, this will blacklist the user of the current ticket.

whitelist

Whitelist users to allow them to create tickets. If no users are provided, this will whitelist the user of the current ticket.

blacklistclear

Remove all users from the blacklist.

viewblacklist

View the blacklist.

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[oblique sage]

I'm from Netherlands, Gemini is not work here(

[compact flame]

Use VPN

[oblique sage]

I'm use it, and German and Latvia is not helping(((

Maybe my Google acc is broken?

[compact flame]

They got anti vpn systems

Ur google account is automatically registered at Netherlands

So ur banned from using gemini

[oblique sage]

But I can use it in Arena :/

[grave peak]

Oh boi, you are banned

[oblique sage]

I use it few times week ago!

How df I can be banned?

[grave peak]

sloppy gemini

[oblique sage]

It's work one day

And stop work second

And then work again

[grave peak]

https://windscribe.com/

[oblique sage]

It's definitely not ban

[grave peak]

its definitely banned country

jajaja

[oblique sage]

Maybe country

Cuz Netherlands are banned from Gemini I know it

But boy my acc

[exotic totem]

Who can recommend a free and fast VPN?

[fierce kelp]

What do you want recommendation for? Free or fast?