#general
toxic verge
solar fulcrum
that's still white background
i can't read that sorry
i have black background for everything
nothing has white backgroud because i can't read the black text over it
peak sapphire
@echo aurora why all nano bananas always don't work
fossil fable
we used to be able to laugh at placements in #announcements with reactions wtf
solar fulcrum
i'm watching an ai
in arena.ai
generate absolute useless garbage
for the past 10 minutes
and i can't even stop it
great
still going as well
love this
spark python
I cant generate images
solar fulcrum
I cant generate images
is that image going to make you $100k+?
autocorrect sucks on mac
honestly dude this site is such a dumpster fire
spark python
is that image going to make you $100k+?
🤓 🤓 🤓
solar fulcrum
i don't know what incompetent programmers actually write this garbage
grave plaza
i love the code arena :>
proud bobcat
i don't know what incompetent programmers actually write this garbage
probs your browser
never had too many issues
though i must admit it is frustrating when it happens
the site needs a lot of refinement
solar fulcrum
my browser?
i've tried on:
- brave
- waterfox
- firefox
- chromium
- internet explorer/edge
doesn't work
does the same BS
proud bobcat
wait what the hell
solar fulcrum
it's purely incompetence on their side.
frosty lava
it's purely incompetence on their side.
then how you explain it doesn't happen to everyone ?
proud bobcat
it could genuinely be a local outage for api use in his area though
solar fulcrum
then how you explain it doesn't happen to everyone ?
???
that doesn't make any sense
it would not make any logical sense whatsoever
proud bobcat
let me try to code something rq
frosty lava
that doesn't make any sense
it does, if its the website issue it should happen to everyone using it
random prairie
solar fulcrum
it does, if its the website issue it should happen to everyone using it
well maybe it could just be the "code" model
when used with ai models
like for websites
frosty lava
well maybe it could just be the "code" model
then its completely different from what you've describe
proud bobcat
it could defo be the code module
solar fulcrum
how is it completely different?!!!
proud bobcat
it had an outage before
solar fulcrum
i'm not lacking chromosomes mate
proud bobcat
no issue for me so far
frosty lava
Well your lacking patience and rejecting fault on everything but your side
it can definitly be a local error
solar fulcrum
i think i know what i'm talking about when i say that i know it's for sure not an issue on my side
dude
proud bobcat
well remember that the models are hosted from the model provider side
solar fulcrum
mate
frosty lava
i go to arena i use it right now it work
solar fulcrum
how else can i say this to you
i already said literally that i tried doing this on claude
and gemini
and it had no issues generating code
at all
so why is it only doing it on lmarena
it can't be me lOL
they're doing some BS to fk with the AI
frosty lava
that can still be a local problem from your pc, and i'd rather not talk to you anymore you are ragebaiting and just hating like a little child ^^
proud bobcat
no issues here
solar fulcrum
compared to the actual ai models provided by their respective sites
proud bobcat
compared to the actual ai models provided by their respective sites
no
solar fulcrum
no issues here
i've had a session for a couple hours now
proud bobcat
difference is different because the system prompt is diff
solar fulcrum
that's one prompt
solar fulcrum
???
proud bobcat
difference is different because the system prompt is diff
the models seem different because the system prompt is not the same for lmarena and the providers themselves
sorry
my brain is tired
again it could be an issue with your internet or youre getting the bad end of the api
try to just start a new session
as much as it sucks
toxic verge
It’s a deterrent on overreliance. That creates leverage for people to actually wanna pay for ai services instead of outright, providing all the features for free.
frosty lava
???
And whatever issue your facing does not allow you to insult anyone of the dev team
Especially knowing its free
toxic verge
But to his point not to put too much emphasis on it, but the behaviors of the models are different within the arena and the real ones in some aspects be intentional or a side effect of the massive platform on such scale with so many models.
frosty lava
But to his point not to put too much emphasis on it, but the behaviors of the mo...
Yes, i don't know the exact reason for this
thin current
This happens when I try to generate an image with Gemini
Has this happened to anyone else?
pearl cedar
@fading ibex BOT 1B1
fading ibex
Get lost
toxic verge
Yeah, all the time.
toxic verge
Does that pop up every chat for you or only in chats with previous conversation conversations?
toxic verge
ionic hound
help please how choose the best AIs answer?
high echo
Does anyone seem to be having issues generating with NB2? It seems to not exist in the API.
a2:[{"type":"heartbeat"}]
a3:"Error during image generation with google-ai for model endpoint anon-bob-2: Failed to fetch image: 404 Not Found - {\n \"error\": {\n \"code\": 404,\n \"message\": \"models/anon-bob-2 is not found for API version v1beta, or is not supported for generateContent. Call ListModels to see the list of available models and their supported methods.\",\n \"status\": \"NOT_FOUND\"\n }\n}\n"
It’s cheap so they can pump it out on scale, to use least amount of compute & more than likely they’re just in the testing phase
wicked talon
It’s cheap so they can pump it out on scale, to use least amount of compute & mo...
Hmm true
It just seems to be so bad compared to Gemini 3 flash
wicked talon
It’s cheap so they can pump it out on scale, to use least amount of compute & mo...
Its not
toxic verge
Probably using the older model like flash 2.5
ocean vortex
Does anyone seem to be having issues generating with NB2? It seems to not exist ...
something is wrong with your code. Do you have this "anon-bob-2" anywhere in it? lol
wicked talon
Probably using the older model like flash 2.5
Nope it uses 3
wicked talon
Probably a cut down version
toxic verge
3 is going retired on March 9
wicked talon
3 is going retired on March 9
Oh
high echo
something is wrong with your code. Do you have this "anon-bob-2" anywhere in it?...
??? No?
This is on the main Arena website
toxic verge
high echo
yea lol
ocean vortex
yea lol
Interesting insight though lol
so it was "anon-bob-2" internally before they released it
and apparently lmarena is trying to use the same endpoint after it was released
toxic verge
Facts not working for me either
ocean vortex
is this direct chat?
toxic verge
https://www.reddit.com/r/GeminiAI/comments/1rmow61/did_it_happen_again_is_gemini25flashimagepreview/
Reddit
Reddit
Looks like a lot of people are facing some type of same kind of problem
ocean vortex
@high echo how did you get this error message did you copy the request with payload from network tab
I thought they were only using final released model endpoints for direct chat with separate billing. Well I suppose I was wrong lol
toxic verge
There seems to be high demand
From what I’m reading
Some people haven’t been able to generate an image according to that post for almost 12 hours
ocean vortex
Some people haven’t been able to generate an image according to that post for al...
I generated one no problem through aistudio recently
toxic verge
Reddit
ocean vortex
@high echo also they may view your post as reverse engineering and lock it down
rigid holly
Hey i got a problem i would like explained. There is a .... glitch? Where the chat glitches in arena and whenever you try to put something in the text goes red and it gives you the retry or clear buttons
No matter how much you press retry it does not start generating the text
If you refresh the site it still does not work if you try to resend what you were trying to put down in the chat
It seems thst once you get this error in that specific chat thread the progress you made in ehatever you had written down in there is cut short and you can no longer use that specific chat
@steel bridge
toxic verge
Reddit
Yeah, this looks like to be an ongoing thing with Google
Wow, I guess this has been going on for a while to some people. I must’ve not been paying attention.
Could be due to the war in Middle East
golden ocean
toxic verge
That must mean Google is renting cloud from aws
At this point, I would prefer the government break up Amazon and Google with anti trust.
This is ridiculous. How big these companies are getting
gleaming roost
😊
toxic verge
ocean vortex
At this point, I would prefer the government break up Amazon and Google with ant...
US gov is going radically in the opposite direction
So not happening lol
ocean vortex
They are anti-trust themselves
fierce kelp
Why is googles ai mode so bad
They did a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF8afKUGRpc
toxic verge
I think that video honestly in my opinion is a bit unfair for many reasons
I I love how it begins stone starts
golden ocean
At this point, I would prefer the government break up Amazon and Google with ant...
real
high echo
<@1248340491821650061> how did you get this error message did you copy the reque...
Yeah, I usually check it to see if my prompt failed or not for certain reasons
high echo
<@1248340491821650061> also they may view your post as reverse engineering and l...
I wouldn’t think so???
I’m not really reverse engineering anything, I’m just reporting a bug and showing what it says in the network logs
toxic verge
They did a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF8afKUGRpc
This video actually irritates me a little bit lol I think there’s a disconnect between people that work in the field and understand AI versus average normal users
golden ocean
fr
toxic verge
He makes absolutely good points, but I think there’s a flaw in the part about mismatched expectations. I think that he’s correct that users do have mismatched expectations to some extent, but I think the underlining people to blame for that if anybody is the industry.
And I don’t think the arena and the benchmarks help dissuade this perception if anything creates more fog and lack of clarity to your average user
gleaming roost
Toggle /Fast
Based on your work last week across 38 threads, Fast could have saved about 14 hours 25 minutes. Uses 2x plan usage. 🥰
astral vortex
why are almost all the models failing
toxic verge
why are almost all the models failing
But I don’t know some people are saying that it was just limited
dapper light
Hey
wicked talon
According to Gemini 3 flash the ai mode is going to be updated to 3.1 flash lite
wicked talon
Nothing much you?
wicked talon
Lmao did you ask it to hallucinate
toxic verge
No
wicked talon
No way it recognised it's own hallucination
By the way isn't Google's version of codex AI studio build?
wicked talon
They tried to tell me that this scene wasn’t from the movie
Flash?
robust jay
Did the site crash, or is it just my imagination?
wicked talon
Did the site crash, or is it just my imagination?
Nope
wicked talon
Yeah, it’s horrible dude
Yep
But what do you expect from something that takes seconds for such a big process
I would just put it on thinking
wicked talon
I would go so far to say their coding is worse then qwen
toxic verge
Watch that video
wicked talon
I would go so far to say their coding is worse then qwen
Sometimes
toxic verge
Men in the marketing for this is so sneaky
Gemini flash Gemini pro, blah blah, blah blah blah
Just make it easy the dumb Gemini and the pro version
wicked talon
Just make it easy the dumb Gemini and the pro version
And thinking
toxic verge
There’s they should differentiate because it creates a lot of confusion
It’s bad for their own marketing maybe I don’t know
toxic verge
It’s what I use daily also
The only other reasons
Because you could upload images and videos to it
Which is messed up because it’s helping boost the overall popularity of the model, which is so skewed man and I don’t even wanna get into it
toxic verge
It just easy to rig the game
User switch based on finances and what’s available
If a model allows you to upload images and videos without limits and your into generative AI yeah you’re gonna go to the dumber version.. I guess grok for this too. I’m just comparing it to ChatGPT because.
trail jackal
se ha caido la opcion de subir imagenes?
Has the option to upload images disappeared?
wicked talon
If a model allows you to upload images and videos without limits and your into g...
GPT is really bad
There probably gonna be a shutdown in the next few years
toxic verge
I used to pay for ChatGPT for like a year straight
And I forget how nice and convenient it is to have these features
wicked talon
I used to pay for ChatGPT for like a year straight
Lol I'll probably continue to pay for Gemini cuz I like qwen + Gemini Combo
wicked talon
And I forget how nice and convenient it is to have these features
Does the chat get disabled?
toxic verge
And you get a lot with Google as much as I hate to admit it you get the whole ecosystem
wicked talon
Or can you still chat
wicked talon
And you get a lot with Google as much as I hate to admit it you get the whole ec...
Yuh that's why I love it lol
I got 3 of there devices
wicked talon
I got 3 of there devices
Pixel, Google nest and Chromebook
toxic verge
C,om g is 2026 and they locked you out of a chat for one image or attachment
wicked talon
This is some super primitive hostage marketing lol
Has to be
toxic verge
Grok Gemini is free for all upload all day
toxic verge
Oh I didn’t know that. I thought it was too some reason.
wicked talon
If it didn't I would use Gemini + grok
toxic verge
See what I mean this is why the benchmarks are so skewed
wicked talon
But I'm not paying £23 a month
wicked talon
See what I mean this is why the benchmarks are so skewed
Yuh
toxic verge
Because a lot of it is economical factors and being able to do basic things
If some of these models allowed, for instance, uploading without limits or any number of other features doesn’t have to be images or uploading in particular, but whatever the case may be
wicked talon
If some of these models allowed, for instance, uploading without limits or any n...
I think grok has no upload limits
toxic verge
And so it’s easy to manipulate the degree of how users use it if that makes any sense
wicked talon
I think grok has no upload limits
They just have a limit on how much you can chat a day
wicked talon
And so it’s easy to manipulate the degree of how users use it if that makes any ...
Yea
wicked talon
They just have a limit on how much you can chat a day
And it is based on smth not chats sent
toxic verge
That’s why it’s so hard to get a gauge of what accurately is going on and how capable these models really are
wicked talon
That’s why it’s so hard to get a gauge of what accurately is going on and how ca...
Yeah
toxic verge
It’s not that I don’t think they underperform. I don’t think that we capture the failure because why would we be bad for business?
wicked talon
Yeah
If google actually took a look at reviews and fixed the issues they might actually become the best model
toxic verge
wicked talon
If google actually took a look at reviews and fixed the issues they might actual...
Like add a dedicated memories tab in settings like other ais
toxic verge
You know how this applies to AI for all the intelligent games and all the boosts and thinking and capabilities or what not blah blah blah there has to be an opposite side
wicked talon
You know how this applies to AI for all the intelligent games and all the boosts...
Yeah
toxic verge
Meaning life for all the intelligence and all the things it does there has to be an equivalent dumb side of it that just completely stupid and dumb
And this is facts it just how the universe works. There’s no way around it.
wicked talon
Meaning life for all the intelligence and all the things it does there has to be...
Correct
toxic verge
Like we could measure intelligence, but we don’t have a way to measure like stupidity
So what the hell can we contrast it with?
wicked talon
Like we could measure intelligence, but we don’t have a way to measure like stup...
Your actually onto smth
golden ocean
artificial stupidity
golden ocean
gpt-4 sydney my beloved😔
toxic verge
See, I believe in the powers, stupid stupidity
And I think it’s very underestimated
And I think some of the smartest people in the world have made sometimes some of the most stupidest mistakes
golden ocean
being smart doesnt mean u make good decisions, ure just better at achieving whatever goal u think is right more effeciently than others
toxic verge
This is from 2023
All right, so let’s forward three years later
These aren’t stupid people they develop one of the most popular frontier AI models on the planet
Their goal was safety and I bet you in 1 million years they could’ve never even imagine their technology being used this way
wicked talon
Their goal was safety and I bet you in 1 million years they could’ve never even ...
Yeah try to think what people a million years ago thought
toxic verge
toxic verge
Yeah try to think what people a million years ago thought
Back then you know that you actually had to think? It was like in death if you didn’t think one wrong mistake and boom.
wicked talon
Back then you know that you actually had to think? It was like in death if you d...
Yeah
I can't wait for Gemini 3.2/4 already
Gemini 3.1 has no sense of vision / idea
Idk how tf it's rated so high
Qwen has better vision
Also I can't get it to code past 300 lines
toxic verge
They did a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF8afKUGRpc
Peter Gostev has a good take on it. She asks the same question.
hollow ivy
So, what's the secret sauce of Claude Opus 4.6?
(compared to all other frontier models)
wicked talon
So, what's the secret sauce of *Claude Opus 4.6*?
I say qwen is comparable coding wise
And Gemini is just for basic coding tasks
Like a cookie clicker
hollow ivy
I say qwen is comparable coding wise
could Qwen code a decent chess engine?
toxic verge
This is a very difficult question
wicked talon
could Qwen code a decent chess engine?
Define decent
Show a example
And what language
Like an opponent?
Qwen does like to overcode
1.4k lines for a cookie clicker in html
toxic verge
Because if we were to believe and drop it, what they say is that the models are gradually improving and soon
The people and specialist they’re hiring in the amount they’re paying is the whole different story compared to what they claim and monitors are capable of or how they’ll impact the market
wicked talon
Hmm
Just ignore it
Screenshot it.
If possible
And send it here if it doesn't show any extreme personal info
wicked talon
What are you guys believe?
AI will takeover
It's obvious
Hmm
A popup directed to an IP is not really possible
It couldn't be unless performed by ISP but even then it would probably still happen
wicked talon
It couldn't be unless performed by ISP but even then it would probably still hap...
After new IP
Could be cookie
Definitely not IP based
toxic verge
Browser fingerprinting
Yeah something like that
And also on the speed
If you’re constantly starting new chats and really quick intervals or any suspicious behavior
wicked talon
Normal especially if you were on the web while it changed
wicked talon
As changing up IP is seen as suspicious for ddoses
honest verge
That's defo gonna cause some bad stuff
Dating on YouTube before gpt 6 is crazy
wicked talon
Qwen made the engine W
toxic verge
wicked talon
Dating on YouTube before grok 6
wicked talon
If they add image generation like in X...
Fuh that
toxic verge
lol if they are using Gemini it’s gonna be filled with so many mistakes
wicked talon
lol if they are using Gemini it’s gonna be filled with so many mistakes
It's a cut down version
toxic verge
So much misinformation, I can only imagine the hallucinations
honest verge
lol if they are using Gemini it’s gonna be filled with so many mistakes
Gemini has dementia
wicked talon
So much misinformation, I can only imagine the hallucinations
It will be a cut down version just like yt music ai
That is very limited
Also the topics on comments seems fine
honest verge
It will be a cut down version just like yt music ai
I hope it uses Gemini 3.1 pro
I really hope it's not Gemini 3 flash
Or flash lite
honest verge
It will take too long
Then what does it use?
wicked talon
It's will without a doubt be a custom made version of Gemini
Just like yt music
Qwens chess is too hard for me bro
light sleet
Yea cuz it just came out
light sleet
Ya
wicked talon
Gpt 5.4 is only pennies
toxic verge
It’s super filtered
Another way for tech corporations to profit of users and siphon off all the data for themselves
Although their platform relies on user uploaded content
honest verge
Another way for tech corporations to profit of users and siphon off all the data...
Isn't gpt 5.4 even more censored?
toxic verge
On the surface that appears that way
light sleet
gpt 7 prediction, fully censored, can only say hi, hello, bye, that's all
honest verge
gpt 7 prediction, fully censored, can only say hi, hello, bye, that's all
Gpt 8 prediction: you can only say hello and bye that's all
frosty lava
sorry but genuily what you can't do due to gpt being censored ?
cause it never caused me any issue
toxic verge
Ok look
wicked talon
sorry but genuily what you can't do due to gpt being censored ?
Ask how to make a bomb
toxic verge
If we take this whole thing, seriously about self harm
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Can you explain what these emojis mean?
I’m trying to inform parents who are not tech savvy what exactly this could mean in signs to look out for
Try it in gpt
frosty lava
Ask how to make a bomb
yes so that's exactly why its censored ?
toxic verge
That’s how quickly the model brakes
light sleet
Yall I want arena team's prompts fr lol
Can yall gimme some good prompts for code arena
frosty lava
do you really want free access to very dangerous information to everyone
wicked talon
Can't wait to get flagged by Google
frosty lava
if you ain't into illegal things then it shouldn't be a problem at all
frosty lava
in which case exactly cause i don't see
bright shard
@echo aurora Why are image models disappearing?
toxic verge
in which case exactly cause i don't see
It’s a really complex subject
Because there’s two camps of people
The first thing is the same camp that you’re in if you have nothing to hide and nothing illegal then you shouldn’t have to worry and like you said the censorship shouldn’t affect normal use
I gotta be careful here with how I frame this next part
frosty lava
I gotta be careful here with how I frame this next part
I don't know what you were about to say, but the fact that you have to be that carefull about it mean everything
frosty lava
The first thing is the same camp that you’re in if you have nothing to hide and ...
that is definitly true imo
frosty lava
maybe the censorship can affect SOME normal use case by inconvenience but just a little and can easily be fixed honestly
but i never encountered those use case honestly
frosty lava
What if I wanna vent to it and it says I cant help you
you can vent to it, but yes it'll be carefull if you talk about really hard things
its not made for this so it's not that bad honestly
frosty lava
i don't really get it honestly
toxic verge
There’s kind of two ways to look at it there’s illegal activity that’s like for harm
And then there’s like the same kind of activity, but for non-harmful reasons
And it’s a really fine line
frosty lava
yes but allowing one give access to the other one too
since its a really fine line like you say
toxic verge
For example, we all know that being a serial killer is bad right and we wouldn’t want anybody to get an instructions on how to be a serial killer
But let’s say you’re an author that writes about serial killers or novels or whatever and you want your novels and characters to be authentic as possible
frosty lava
Yes ai won't help you, cause it can be used for real harm
is it bad ? i don't really think so
toxic verge
Well, let’s say your detective and you want to investigate a serial killer and you wanna know the psychology and everything
frosty lava
I mean if ai are used for this then it'll be specific ai specially made for this and they wouldn't give access to everyone only to those who are investigating
that would be the right way
and less risky
toxic verge
Well, it’s actually not that simple
Because these things get aired on TV regularly on public television freely
Why should they be censored with artificial intelligence large language models, which isn’t even real
topaz peak
Does anyone know why Gemini 3.1 Flash preview keeps giving error messages? It also fails to generate images when starting a new session
toxic verge
Now another controversial thing that I think is gonna come up and this is why I have to kind of carefully word this
Let’s take for example of very controversial topic like child p
frosty lava
Why should they be censored with artificial intelligence large language models, ...
Cause TV is supervised by human and won't normally bring potential harmfull information, when ai are just LLM and its hard to actually be as safe as human
i don't know if i explained it well
wicked talon
I love qwen
frosty lava
anyway it make sense
wicked talon
And Kimi
prime sequoia
Do I need to be logged in to use Arena? I'm no longer able to open a session without logging in.
toxic verge
No, you did. You’re making a lot of sense.
wicked talon
Do I need to be logged in to use Arena? I'm no longer able to open a session wit...
Uh yes
I think do
No actually you don't
Mb
frosty lava
That's just my point of view and in the future if ai really will be used to these case then we will find solution
less risky
toxic verge
real life harm and fictional depictions where no real child is harmed, the latter might be the lesser evil, and a distinction between actual abuse and simulated or imagined scenarios,
a moral ethical dilemma about harm versus fantasy.
And I use this because this is the most extreme case
And I think in the future, we’re gonna see this argument more and more
And on this point, I’m with you 100%
But it raises very uncomfortable questions
Now, why do I bring this up specifically?
shrewd citrus
i got a question
ocean minnow
Do I need to be logged in to use Arena? I'm no longer able to open a session wit...
Been like that since few days. Though yesterday they opened it again. But now require to login again.
toxic verge
Controversial is good
shrewd citrus
should ai be judges for court cases?
like you would think
oh ai would be completely unbiased
or it would have perfect knowledge of the law
but what about morals
like it could be a kid stealing from a food shop
topaz peak
Does anyone know why Gemini 3.1 Flash preview keeps giving error messages? It al...
Clearing the cache didn't work at all btw. Gemini 3.1 Pro works fine, but not Gemini 3.1 Flash
toxic verge
should ai be judges for court cases?
No
wicked talon
Been like that since few days. Though yesterday they opened it again. But now re...
You don't need login
To use chat
Must be if you have been flagged
frosty lava
but what about morals
in my point of view, definitly not right now, but i saw that ai have very good understanding of human moral, in the future it might even be better than us at judgine i guess
topaz peak
...is nobody gonna answer my question?
frosty lava
ai know how human works, how they act, and also about the moral we have, so i guess in the future it can be very good
frosty lava
...is nobody gonna answer my question?
you can try to change browser and test, but its probably related to arena or limitation from too much use
log out too
but if that doesn't work all you can do is waiting
toxic verge
I actually wanted to talk about this for quite a long time
topaz peak
you can try to change browser and test, but its probably related to arena or lim...
Already tried that, and only Gemini 3.1 Flash isn't working
frosty lava
Already tried that, and only Gemini 3.1 Flash isn't working
i think you have different limitation between the flash and the pro on arena, so you could have reached max usage for instant
i guess
frosty lava
If we take these two images here there’s nothing harmful about them, right?
yes i don't see any problem
toxic verge
What about this? How old would you say the person is in this image and how do we verify?
If we look at the characteristics of the character, she has very young facetal features the freckles, the outfit
We also incorporated tattoos
And you can’t get tattoos until you’re 18
So how do we verify the age of this person?
If it’s an artificial generated character
topaz peak
i think you have different limitation between the flash and the pro on arena, so...
If it was a rate limit, I wouldv've gotten the rate limit error and I got none of that. It keeps saying "Something went wrong"
frosty lava
So how do we verify the age of this person?
I mean what's the problem with it anyway ? if we doesn't know if its adult or child generated characted
it's not harmfull
toxic verge
Yeah
toxic verge
I mean what's the problem with it anyway ? if we doesn't know if its adult or ch...
Before I elaborate, I just want to know can you expand on why you believe that?
frosty lava
cause the image itself isn't bad even if that was a child generated with a tatoo its not really a problem imo
nothing shocking in this image
toxic verge
They’re harder to prosecute
Since there is no real victim, and there is no way to verify age
And the AI can not distinguish the difference
shrewd citrus
yeah but i mean if it looks like a child then it definitely is
toxic verge
Sure, I agree with you
frosty lava
that's another thing when it come to those type of image or even video or whatever, the ai should have a strict opinion on what's a child and what's an adult
toxic verge
But what I’m saying is these people are a very clever at what they do
shrewd citrus
like 15-17 would be hard to distinguish
toxic verge
And this is just one aspect of this
shrewd citrus
but yeah anything younger than that should easily be identifiable
toxic verge
It’s a really hard and conscious topic for Taiwan easy the subject is
frosty lava
Those ai that are generating those type of image should just be added some safe-guard on what it can generate and what it can't
even if its hard to do
we should do it
shrewd citrus
there’s only really safeguard for online models
anything open source where it only runs on your pc can basically make anything
frosty lava
there's definitly people using uncensored ai to do this, that's completely their fault and should be illegal (i think it already is ?)
frosty lava
Ai is something new to the world and many laws and thing should adapt to it
that's probably coming and will be a big subject in the future
since ai are getting stronger and stronger
toxic verge
Yeah
frosty lava
laws should be applied to it
toxic verge
That’s exactly it
frosty lava
and adapted to it
toxic verge
Absolutely
shrewd citrus
problem is
No government really wants to set any laws now
cause they wanna be the first
topaz peak
Great, now how am I supposed to continue my funny comic strip? Gemini 3.1 Flash really nailed the WarioWare Gold style
shrewd citrus
to reach “agi”
toxic verge
But here’s where it gets tricky
Legal scholars and practitioners debate whether AI generated depictions of minors (e.g., cartoon or deepfake content) should be treated the same as real CSAM
Others note that fictional depictions that are clearly not realistic arguably do not involve real victims and thus raise First Amendment issues; courts have historically protected some forms of virtual content unless it meets the legal definition of obscenity or harm
frosty lava
Yes its a race and they din't take enough time for safety
toxic verge
And I’m not trying to justify or defended. I’m just bringing this up because it’s a very hard topic
And it’s gonna get pushed to the front line
And so you know, we as the public need to come up with solutions and laws for our lawmakers to implement
And we also need to hold these companies accountable
topaz peak
Legal scholars and practitioners debate whether AI generated depictions of minor...
Tbh I don't think minors in cartoons count because the thing is, some seemingly "minor" characters are now canonically adults. For example, Ben Tennyson was 10 years old when he was initially introduced and I was 4 years old at the time. So at this point, he is now in his early 30s
frosty lava
Others note that fictional depictions that are clearly not realistic arguably do...
yes but like i see ai generated content are in many ways different to what we've known from now and a specific law should be made for it
shrewd citrus
if someone wants to injure or kill an animal purposefully
toxic verge
OK, here’s another. Here’s another thing that’s totally legal.
shrewd citrus
there’s a high chance they would do it to a human too
shrewd citrus
ai image gen
frosty lava
Why are we discussing minors in a ai server
ai generetad content
compact flame
ai image gen
Oh alr
frosty lava
so its all related
toxic verge
shrewd citrus
toxic verge
And I apologize I like I said I’m not trying to be weird or offend anybody or nothing like that
compact flame
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_34
Dude that was NOT necessary
toxic verge
Well, what I’m saying is that kind of content is legally protected?
Me personally I’m super uncomfortable with all of it
I don’t think they should be able to generate images of children. lol
frosty lava
I just think that every existing laws for those type of subject can't be applied properly to ai generated content, we need specific laws in this specific use case
toxic verge
No
Because you could have really bad NSFW images of Disney cartoon characters
Like and that’s totally legal, even though that material is consumed and made for children
shrewd citrus
yeah but cartoon images of children is still illegal
compact flame
Honestly I've never heard about jokes and stuff about minors until like 2025
frosty lava
A new tool that powerfull will also bring many problem to solve
frosty lava
A new tool that powerfull will also bring many problem to solve
and it'll be solved in some years i guess
atleast partially
shrewd citrus
Now it's just here
a good thing imo
same amount of freaks back in 2019
but now they are getting exposed
compact flame
Especially with these ID verification stuff and face scans
toxic verge
This problem isn’t blamed on the technology itself, cause we know that this has happened before even the AI
What I’m saying is that these companies should be held liable for the content that their models produce
quiet crag
AI guardrails/censorship is a difficult problem that's still not properly solved. Often LLMs just ignore system instructions and your instructions in the prompt and proceed to do things it shouldn't have done. There's also the jailbreak/prompt injection community and stuff
toxic verge
Regardless of who did it or how it happened?
shrewd citrus
What I’m saying is that these companies should be held liable for the content th...
That’s grok i think
they have a case against them for that exact thing
compact flame
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2lrn8q2q24o
Why is it always about India
India knows something that we don't
frosty lava
We can't solve this right now honestly, first the ai will grow and be stronger with the massive Ai race between China and US, it will have consequences and probably very big consequences, then we will have to adapt ourself, our law to this new world and way to live / work.
vital lake
toxic verge
toxic verge
AI guardrails/censorship is a difficult problem that's still not properly solved...
And it’s so complicated. I agree with you. I agree with 100% buddy.
frosty lava
every new big changes also bring many opportunities for bad people
toxic verge
Because this could also be used as a way to give more control and create more censorship under the guy of safety when in reality it doesn’t do neither
frosty lava
cause the system is new and not adapted
toxic verge
The system isn’t safe and these AI companies know that
They’re hoping to find a solution later down the line
compact flame
I wonder when ai will reach it's peak
compact flame
I wonder when ai will reach it's peak
Like when it just stops learning
frosty lava
I wonder when ai will reach it's peak
when it'll reach it's speak then we will find new ways
frosty lava
does technology ever stopped progressing ?
light sleet
shrewd citrus
so we can’t control it
frosty lava
we're far from it
toxic verge
Yeah, but there are limits to scaling
compact flame
Could've been better honestly
frosty lava
of course we can't scale forever but then we will find other way
quiet crag
LLMs in current shape won't quite lead us to AGI I think. Novel architectures need to arise or the existing alternatives need to get more funding and research. There's also the compute problem, not enough chips/enough power to serve an AGI model to billions
toxic verge
light sleet
Could've been better honestly
Maybe 5.5 cooks
shrewd citrus
yeah atm companies think that scaling by computing power is the way
toxic verge
I mean once we get to the one nanometer semiconductors where do we go from there?
shrewd citrus
i mean it’s working now
toxic verge
lol
compact flame
Maybe 5.5 cooks
Honestly.
frosty lava
yes cause scaling is just easy lol if you have the money
compact flame
Do you guys think chatgpt 6.7 will exist?
toxic verge
Yes
compact flame
Because I think it will at this rate
light sleet
Gemini 6.7
Claude Opus 6.7
GPT 6.7
frosty lava
many new ways / improvement are made that can accelerate ai training every month
toxic verge
They say a sucker is born every day I say in the AI community and industry there’s two for every three
compact flame
Honestly gpt 6.7 would be great April fools model
light sleet
Waiting for gpt 6.9
compact flame
Waiting for gpt 6.9
Fr
toxic verge
LLMs in current shape won't quite lead us to AGI I think. Novel architectures ne...
Bro u know who the og is
frosty lava
the actual gpu used for ai also will be replaced by newer and much more efficient version every year or two year
so it actually still improve training speed
so there's no problem even if scaling is stopping
its just about finding new ways
and then fine tuning
creating better data for training
and many things will come
toxic verge
toxic verge
quiet crag
The more LLMs improve on tool calling and computer use, the closer we will get to a model that feels like AGI without it necessarily being AGI.
frosty lava
Also the interesting thing to come will be ai training ai and getting better at training ai
toxic verge
frosty lava
Also the interesting thing to come will be ai training ai and getting better at ...
that will accelerate everything too
its not impossible to do
especially with that much money and the race
quiet crag
Also the interesting thing to come will be ai training ai and getting better at ...
Iirc, the leading AI labs sort of already do this to some degree
frosty lava
Iirc, the leading AI labs sort of already do this to some degree
I don't know about it, but imagine it just started, it mean we can improve it probably in many ways and by alot making it much more efficient and all
frosty lava
i really think scaling isn't the only way to accelerate training.
its the main one that big companies use right now cause its the simplest one
and we can do it so why not ?
frosty lava
yeah robotics also grow fast with ai
toxic verge
There’s no way we’re gonna get to AGI with just large language models the way they are now at all
frosty lava
ai is the best automation tool and can be applied to many things
quiet crag
Yeah, I'm also more aligned to LeCun school of thought. He knows that LLM growth is reaching diminishing returns and the alternative is different architectures
toxic verge
You can’t have all these safety filters. You can’t do none of that if you’re trying to achieve AGI.
You’re gonna run out of data clean data on scale
Anybody could get 💩 synthetic data
frosty lava
the first problem is what the actual real definition of AGI ?
toxic verge
It’s in the word itself general
frosty lava
people say agi but never the same way
frosty lava
is it an ai better than every human on everything ?
quiet crag
There was one paper that had a definition of AGI but I can't remember the name of it
frosty lava
for example i think ai in general knowledge actually surpass many human and same for doing some task its getting more capable than us
frosty lava
so what you want it to be better at
wicked talon
Mwa
toxic verge
Legally open AI and Microsoft define AGI is being able to reach 100 billion in profit
They have it on paper in a clause
wicked talon
Legally open AI and Microsoft define AGI is being able to reach 100 billion in p...
AGI will be in 2050s
frosty lava
Legally open AI and Microsoft define AGI is being able to reach 100 billion in p...
Imo that's not clear
toxic verge
Legally binding agreement
frosty lava
like making 100 billion profit depends on many things lol
wicked talon
like making 100 billion profit depends on many things lol
Yeah like is it gross or net
toxic verge
quiet crag
One more recent thing that LeCun mentioned is that getting one LLM model to be good at everything won't work out and we will likely move towards a 'modular' architecture of having many LMs that are all just hyperfocused in their specific areas and are "AGI" in that area
toxic verge
seriously, what ai can't do better than you ?
Oh man don’t get me started
wicked talon
seriously, what ai can't do better than you ?
Art
wicked talon
Animations
toxic verge
There’s so much the list of so long
wicked talon
alright and ?
I'm saying what it can't do better
frosty lava
yes i know what im trying to say its that its already hard to say your better than an ai lol
in some task it already surpass us
wicked talon
yes i know what im trying to say its that its already hard to say your better th...
Correct but we are in terms of vision
frosty lava
I mean if ai already that good right now saying it can't be better than us in general is delusionnal no ?
Its faster than us, and more efficient in many ways
its also getting common sense with time
at some point it'll just be smarter than you and with all the necessary information and just do your work 100x faster
and probably with better quality than you are doing
quiet crag
Yeah, I'm a web dev and have been delegating a lot more tasks to AI models these days. I mostly act as the final reviewer and the orchestrator rather than the one that manually writes code unless I realize that AI is not arriving at the solution that I want it to arrive to despite steering it towards it
frosty lava
and automating task is doable
with it
we will be better than ai in specific things and probably not for long
frosty lava
why not on thinking task ?
honestly, its so good that it already are better than most human for work task
toxic verge
Well, I’m not counting them out yet. That would be different.
If you could be applicable to the real world and function, and then that’s a totally different ball game
frosty lava
yes right now those type of thing are safe but as you can see in many ways its also unclear for how many time it'll stay safe
toxic verge
But just judging the way, llm are right now these robots are screwed
At least for them foreseeable future
Y’all are forgetting about how much energy consumption this takes
You know how much power your brain needs?
frosty lava
trust the progress in my opinion we will find many ways
quiet crag
As good as AI is at thinking right now, you can't 100% offload all the thought process to it. It hasn't reached the level where it can execute difficult/long tasks with almost perfect precision without your high level view of everything
frosty lava
As good as AI is at thinking right now, you can't 100% offload all the thought p...
can an human do difficult long task with almost perfect precision ?
stone stream
Hello
toxic verge
frosty lava
the brain is really well made by the life itself that's well known
we ain't good enough to recreate it lol
quiet crag
can an human do difficult long task with almost perfect precision ?
They could but it would take much longer than AI to do it assuming you can steer the AI into the right direction when it wanders off, but if it's working on something that you also don't have expertise on - it will not end very well
frosty lava
yes if you mean efficiency to energy used ratio then human are so good
toxic verge
Well, that’s an extremely important part of functionality
It’s not like you get up and leave
toxic verge
We could upgrade ourselves in many ways where a biological system
You work out that’s an upgrade
Read a book you learned that’s an upgrade
The only thing we lack is storage capacity
In my opinion, the only place AI has us beat
quiet crag
In the future, we could upgrade ourselves with tech and merge with AI but most people aren't ready to be cyborgs yet
toxic verge
But it gets to the point where there’s so much data becomes useless, trying to search through it all
frosty lava
yes but ai surpass us even if it cost more energy what's the problem ? its not reasonable to try to reach that much efficiency for cost ratio right now
compact flame
In the future, we *could* upgrade ourselves with tech and merge with AI but most...
Being a cyborg is scary honestly
frosty lava
we don't have the necessary knowledge to achieve it
compact flame
I don't want metallic stuff be inside me
frosty lava
Well now if we go further into this we'll reach alot of question that we don't have an answer to
toxic verge
I’m not too worried about it
I know the human species
I know that we’re doomed to fail
History has shown us. This is the only outcome.
frosty lava
we are good but we create tools that are better than us in specific task and ai is one of those tools and its so good it can be better than us in many task
and probably in the future in most task
toxic verge
Yeah, but you get to the point where you create such tools that you could wipe yourself out
You reached the pinnacle what goes up must come down
The higher we get the harder the fall when that does occur
I mean, you could only advance to certain point and then eventually you have to calm down
frosty lava
In some way we are replacing ourselves
toxic verge
I wish
frosty lava
I mean, you could only advance to certain point and then eventually you have to ...
yes or it'll be chaotic but we know that we won't calm down:
only the future can tell us what will really happen
and how bad or good it'll be
toxic verge
Do you know how I see the AI thing I see like the medieval’s used to think of alchemy
I see this no different than the Egyptians and their mythology
I just see the same story but in a different package
When we’re long gone, and our time has passed, people will look back at our time. Period. And they’ll say oh my goodness those people believed in computers or artificial intelligence or whatever just like we view the Egyptians and their mythology
The laugh at how primitive we were and how their tech technologies is far more superior
frosty lava
yes cause they'll have much more efficient and smart thing, that doesn't mean it was stupid, for example even if sword ain't used anymore in war it was really good and not a bad idea at all
toxic verge
Not because they’ll be smart or have more efficient things it’s because they’re gonna be equally as arrogant and naïve as we are
They’re gonna believe the same exact things that we believe just like our ancestors believe the same thing that we believe now
It’s a never-ending cycle. It’s a human condition whatever you wanna call it.
frosty lava
they'll also be smarter and have more efficient things but yes
toxic verge
Humanity can’t escape it like you can’t escape death itself
It’s part of the human disease if you will with all the respect
Look at world history, look at all the civilizations and empires all the different technologies all the different everything and none of them managed to last
Not a single one through the whole history of mankind
Are we really that arrogant to believe that we are any different?
frosty lava
you can't know yet, today would seem magic to people that lived hundred years ago
toxic verge
We have a whole known history of our species to show us otherwise
frosty lava
flying seemed impossible and delusionnal for human and we found a way to fly to go to space and all
toxic verge
It is guaranteed 100% of the time thus far until proven otherwise
If you just look at the history and be realistic
100% of the time all empires, all collapse and all failed at one point or another
frosty lava
Yes but that doesn't mean we ain't progressing and pushing further the limit of what's doable
we definitly can do more and more things
toxic verge
That’s assuming that progress is linear
frosty lava
till now we have progressed and still are progressing
im not saying it'll never end
but it's still happening
toxic verge
This is also very contextual
For example, in World War II, the Nazi regime were trying to develop an atomic bomb
But eventually, they lost the war and all their hard work got transferred to the United States
frosty lava
moral vs progress, we all know progress also bring bad thing
toxic verge
Now can you say that Germany progressed?
No, their progress was in vain
Because they’re adversaries ended up taking their scientist, technology, and research
toxic verge
OK, let’s stick to that point then
Being able to use the atomic weapon on Japan, Hiroshima Nagasaki
Did those people viewed as progress?
frosty lava
Like i said earlier progress is progress and can't be judged with moral what was immoral is the way we used this progress
toxic verge
Or was progress in this context a blessing for one and a disaster for the other
frosty lava
that's on the people that did it not on the actual progress itself
stray aspen
what are we yapping about
frosty lava
the way we use thing that have been doable with progress does not mean the progress itself is bad
inner relic
ya think deepseek v4 releases tommorow?
stray aspen
no
frosty lava
we can also say that if no progress was ever made then we would die very early
so in this point of view its good:
toxic verge
stray aspen
well! https://x.com/dmjk001/status/2029809618948608446
i call cap
inner relic
Fair point, Deepseek never released their model on saturday huh.
toxic verge
It serves as a cautionary tale about hubris the idea that humanity’s pride and technological overreach might lead to its own downfall.
frosty lava
we can't make progress without the consequences that come with it, those bad consequences can also bring more progress
frosty lava
It serves as a cautionary tale about hubris the idea that humanity’s pride and t...
and ? if we didn't it wouldn't mean we'll live forever
everything is supposed to end at some point
from what we know
toxic verge
frosty lava
it doesn't depends on what your doing
frosty lava
i see your point, but like i said if we stay in fear it won't help too, if you don't die by progress you'll die by something else, is it better ? probably not since progress can still atleast bring better life and longevity
toxic verge
I hear what you’re saying and I hope you don’t feel like I’m arguing with you not taking your point of be serious. I’m just being the devils advocate here.
I don’t think what I’m saying is out of fear
languid wolf
Why nano banana 2 just disappeared
frosty lava
im looking in a general point of view, your looking in the point of view of those people who suffered the consequences, one doesn't make the other wrong
toxic verge
I don’t know at the court my belief I just I don’t think the machines are smarter than us
I don’t think they’ll ever be smarter than us my opinion
frosty lava
I understand that, but in my opinion being smarter is unclear of what that mean same for being conscious
toxic verge
That’s why I like randomness I like stupidity I like uncertainty
It evens out the Plainfield
Irrationality
Head over heels the feeling you get in your gut about somebody when you first meet them
Intuition whatever you wanna call it
frosty lava
Yes, but i'd rather assume that progress can achieve everything and just require the good idea, the good information, we can do many things, so for me an ai being smarter than human wouldn't be stupid idea, it's already smarter in some task why not in general
toxic verge
What’s the price of progress?
If the world is a give-and-take in order to progress, what do you need to give an exchange?
frosty lava
I assume that what we think right now is so bad anyway cause we think we know alot about the world and what's doable and what's not, but in fact we are just new to the universe itself
and we are limited by our brain
toxic verge
And thank God there’s limits
Otherwise, we would destroy ourselves even faster
There’s limits on things in the universe there’s universal paradox
These are heart limits on literally our ability to ever find out
We will never know some things we will never solve some of these paradoxes ever
frosty lava
Otherwise, we would destroy ourselves even faster
it all depends on what you think is the best, i think what everyone can agree on is that everything have an end so either you think that nothing matter anymore, either you stay in fear and try to slow down this end, either you just live your life and ignore it
toxic verge
Because by their nature, they’re paradoxical unsolvable, it’s a limit to the capacity and capability of human understanding and knowledge
frosty lava
i don't think its impossible to go further than our actual capabilities, we probably will be able to improve ourselves at some point
right now its impossible
but the future is unclear
We will look dumb to people in the future and that's normal
toxic verge
It’s like what came first the chicken or the egg
It’s a paradox as oldest time
It will never get solved
Especially by our science and mathematics it’s nearly impossible
To solve it with me to break all current scientific and mathematical understanding and come up with brand new concepts to solve this, but we can’t because we’re trapped in our way of thinking and scientific method and mathematics and so forth if this makes any sense
toxic verge
but the future is unclear
We use human logic to study the universe, but if the universe operates on a non-human logic, we can never use our current tools to understand it. We are trying to read a digital file using a magnifying glass; no matter how much we "zoom in," we are using the wrong tool for the medium.
Sorry, I used Gemini to translate my idea and rephrase it for me for that statement just FYI
frosty lava
We use human logic to study the universe, but if the universe operates on a non-...
but i can also say that what you just said is based on your actual knowledge and capabilities and it'll be outdated in the future so what your saying right now can be wrong in the future
toxic verge
Because how do you solve what came first the chicken or the egg?
Well, that’s what I mean
You can’t find a solution to the problem using the same thinking that got you to the problem in the first place
frosty lava
The smartest thing to know, is to know that you ain't smart at all
toxic verge
The only thing I know is that I know nothing at all
frosty lava
yes
rancid oxide
Help
rancid oxide
Why they remove nano banana 2
frosty lava
You can’t find a solution to the problem using the same thinking that got you to...
yes but then we find way to solve it
rancid oxide
Bring it back NOW
frosty lava
we can't assume that something is truly impossible
the history has proven we are pushing limit of what's doable and what's not
rancid oxide
What api
toxic verge
Reddit
toxic verge
yes but then we find way to solve it
Just saw something like that I would have to mean to admit that you were wrong with your sciences in your mathematics
They create a paradox you can’t escape
So when it does get solved, it only proves that our science and our math in our technology was the incorrect solution
rancid oxide
Bring it back now i need it
frosty lava
Yes that's what im trying to say, all we think of what's impossible and what's not is probably really wrong
rancid oxide
We want nano banana now
frosty lava
Yes that's what im trying to say, all we think of what's impossible and what's n...
cause we are progressing and becoming irrelevant to superior thinking
toxic verge
Or we’re so stupid that we’re the only one’s dumb enough to ask such a stupid question
toxic verge
We didn’t
A lot of people have been having issues with nano2 img generation some people up to 12 hours
frosty lava
Or we’re so stupid that we’re the only one’s dumb enough to ask such a stupid q...
Asking question from what we know ain't dumb at all it create progress and progress have impact in our life, in general progress has made our life longer
and easier
toxic verge
OK, look here’s an example
Reddit
If we look at the leaderboard on here, even the people that are in the arena made a video about this
Both aren’t separate frequencies that have nothing to do with the reality on the ground lol
Both try to understand and answer the technical aspect of it, but they failed to see the practicality on the ground
That they’re all guilty of this perception and they feed into it and each one is trying to mitigate the reality
Which is that Gemini God bless it and I use it daily so not that I hating on. It is a really poor performing Llm
And it should not be on the top-tier list, at least in my opinion in the top five
And a lot of people feel the same way from experiencing it.
rancid oxide
Just bring the model back rn
toxic verge
Just bring the model back rn
Email Google
frosty lava
I believe that in the future anyone would be able to create a top tier model (as we think about it right now) on a simple computer, with new and improved ways, that mean we can do it right now technically, we just don't know how to do
rancid oxide
You bring also nano banana pro 1k to
toxic verge
Actually, I have a way to test it one second thank you you’re genius
toxic verge
Did u say pro or nb2?
Because somebody was saying that nb2 wasn’t working earlier either and I tried it and it wasn’t working for me
rancid oxide
Both 1k pro and nb2
toxic verge
Oh ok. Give me one second I’m testing it now.
So they’re retiring Gemini three on March 9. Does that mean that Nana banana one is also gonna be retired
rancid oxide
What
toxic verge
The retired Gemini 3 on March 9
Nb2 is working but not on the arena
Nb pro 1k. Also working.
obsidian shell
toxic verge
Idk 🤷
frosty lava
for coding task what ai should still improve on to be considered better than human ?
frosty lava
Tell pineapple or any other devs
you can do something in feedback or model request
frosty lava
for coding task what ai should still improve on to be considered better than hum...
for me its just still lacking a bit common sense so its doing error that was common sense to me for example but that's it honestly
but if i compare it to earlier version its definitly much better
i think most dev right now just use ai and supervise it
toxic verge
I mean, no doubt it’s definitely progressing
But ever since the birth of AI, it runs into AI winters
frosty lava
reduced funding and interest in ai research ? that doesn't seems to be what's happening right now
its the opposite its a race where the gouvernment itself is involved
with massive investment
If i have to be honest i hardly see which work i'll be better at than an AI and im talking about ai that we do have right now
toxic verge
frosty lava
oh yes but that was in the past, the last few year completely changed this
toxic verge
If I’m not mistaken, what is this over 60 year field?
No, I don’t think I’ll be doing math, right
traced back further to the Dartmouth Workshop in 1956 70 years old
frosty lava
What im trying to say is honestly what your all waiting for or debating on (ai being better than human) already happened in many way honestly but people doesn't seem to realize it ?
toxic verge
I don’t know I don’t believe that a lot of people believe that
rancid oxide
What really happened why nb2 was removed huh? Whats the api prob
frosty lava
I don’t know I don’t believe that a lot of people believe that
almost every job that involve repetitive task can be replaced actually honestly
like right now
it just need someone to still supervise it
frosty lava
I'll try to, basically from what i just saw is that he think that LLM are close to death but newer and better ai will come ?
toxic verge
This dude is a highly respected AI researcher
rancid oxide
What really happened to nb2
frosty lava
This dude is a highly respected AI researcher
Yes i believe you, but he is just saying basically that LLM will be replaced by better AI
rancid oxide
Whats the issue with api
toxic verge
He’s kind of saying that Agi is not gonna be a cheap through LLMs