general

[echo aurora]

Could we move this convo to #1451574502369656842 ? Would like to keep this focussed so it's easier to troubleshoot

[echo dome]

sure

[astral vortex]

pineapple can you add the seedream and seedance to arena

[echo aurora]

Cool thanks, don't hesitate to ping me there.

[echo aurora]

Going to give the boring answer I give any and all requests for ~"Is X feature or Y feature happening?" -> I won't be able to share details about what new models or features are upcoming until we're ready to share more. Would recommend to keep an eye on our announcement channel.

[sick mantle]

@echo aurora

SRY FOR PING

[astral vortex]

Kk thanks

I understand

[echo aurora]

This is the best to get a ping about

[sick mantle]

Yes.

🍍

[thorny cove]

@echo aurora i have a very good suggestion

what if you can do direct chat video

but only with

dogshit models

that look ass and have no audio output

[sick mantle]

@echo aurora Check dms rq

[echo dome]

sigh reCAPTCHA is back again

my worst enemy

[violet blade]

Hi

Can I create vids in this server or what

I don’t understand haha

[woven peak]

does arena use your chat history in ur chats or is it like having 0 history?

like im worried that its like in gemini where it looks at your history and tries to integrate it in your response

[whole sundial]

you can't anymore, it is now on the video arena at https://arena.ai/?chat-modality=video

[violet blade]

Thanks bro

[whole sundial]

hey @echo aurora flux-2-dev on the leaderboard is mislabeled as "Proprietary", it should be "flux-non-commercial-license" (an open weights license)

[violet blade]

How much vids can I create there?

[whole sundial]

3 per day

[whole sundial]

also this is the wrong logo for ai2, that's the logo of ai21, an unrelated lab

[violet blade]

I did 1 and it says limit for today

[whole sundial]

hmm, i thought it was 3

[violet blade]

Any methods to create more vids for free ?

[whole sundial]

also other models by the same lab that have a different name are missing a logo entirely

[coarse compass]

I am having issues with Gemini 3.0 pro

It's been constantly generating since yesterday

[signal crest]

u

[hollow imp]

Gemini 4.1

3.1

Out

[proud bobcat]

openai L

[whole sundial]

i found more issues when i went to select per lab, "Z.ai", "Zhipu", "Zhipu AI", and "Tsinghua" are all the same lab and should be merged together with the same logo and name as Z.ai

[echo aurora]

Thanks @whole sundial for all of these flags. I'm sharing with the team.

[near nova]

im stuck ._.

[echo aurora]

That sounds like a bugged chat, you should try these steps: https://help.arena.ai/articles/8691588590-troubleshooting-infinite-generation

[echo aurora]

Same problem most likely @near nova would recommend these steps ^

[golden ocean]

im stuck step LLM

[sick gazelle]

they could easily win this if they stop lobotomizing their own models

[proud bobcat]

REAL

REAL AS HELL

Dude the reasoning degradation from 5 to 5.2

Is INSANE

I don’t think gpt models actually reason anymore they just spit out garbage in their thinking that looks good

[hardy pecan]

anything change? or insider trading XDD

[proud bobcat]

Anthropic already released their models so now it’s googles turn to have fun

Notice how it’s down once sonnet 4.6 released

[hardy pecan]

Yeah, but we knew that Google's gonna release 3.1 soon for like a week now, so. Doesn't make a lot of sense, personally.

[half wyvern]

yoo what is the best coder for website builder on arena.ai

what coder should i use

i want to build professional casino site

[wicked sage]

the claude models imo

opus 4.6 or sonnet 4.6, im pretty sure both have the same rate limit so use opus

wait no

sonnet uses less usage by 1.7x

i mean opus uses 1.7x more

goddamnit i cant speak for some reason

[half wyvern]

😂

[wicked sage]

just use sonnet 4.6

[half wyvern]

no worries

okey

thanks

[daring rock]

@gilded vigil Note that Video Arena has been removed from the server. More information can be found in this announcement #announcements message

[wicked sage]

yw

okay sorgy

[daring rock]

@chilly forum Note that Video Arena has been removed from the server. More information can be found in this announcement #announcements message

[proud bobcat]

Don’t forget if something doesn’t work run it through Kimi K2.5 thinking

Sometimes if you use the same model to correct its own mistakes it just has a stroke

[stray aspen]

people say grok 4.2 will get smarter over time

because its intelligence is updated live

[quartz light]

no

its dookiepoo

always will be

[stray aspen]

its only really good for research for now

[quartz light]

BS

xai stealth models have been saying that since grok 4

[thorny drum]

the release is looking more solid

[rancid pollen]

snowball

https://tenor.com/view/buddy-gif-27270466

[flat ore]

Yo whenever i use any model and give it this prompt for coding it just always ends up with something went wrong

[keen beacon]

Rip.

[echo aurora]

There are going to be different reasons for why you're getting this error but it's recommended to start here: https://help.arena.ai/articles/1645798556-lmarena-how-to-something-went-wrong-with-this-response-error-message

[stray aspen]

bro claude is so good

[half wyvern]

the new 4.6 one?

or 4.6 thinking

[stray aspen]

4.6 no think

[somber pine]

Hi, i can´t use the AI in a web

[toxic verge]

How is 3.5?

[toxic verge]

Damn that is good

https://youtu.be/iyLwNnU6BMA?si=oM9wlXSKqFjYFPGm

[torpid reef]

Hi

[echo aurora]

What seems to be the issue?

[tardy pulsar]

Hi we need nano banana 2k or 4k

[torpid reef]

howcanigeneratevideosthroughhere?

how can i generate videos through here?

#video-arena-3

[echo aurora]

You can't. The Video Arena bot has been removed from the server. More information can be found in this announcement.

[grand cliff]

Can't get used to gpt 4.1

It would appear that I am addicted to 4o

Too far gone

[echo aurora]

That's unfortunate 😭

Going to have to get addicted to a different model sorry to say

[limber panther]

i dont get it

did it create the whole room

and script

[grand cliff]

Kimi 2.5 and 4.1 doesn't have the same....feel

[stray aspen]

it made me the sound muffle system and that control panel

[limber panther]

only the UI and script right?

not the room

[stray aspen]

no

me and my buddy made the room

[limber panther]

can it make good scripts tho

[stray aspen]

yes

[limber panther]

like making gun scripts

[stray aspen]

it cooks

[stray aspen]

i haven tried that

[limber panther]

ragdoll/animation scripts

[stray aspen]

i mostly make UIs weather systems or instruments

[proud bobcat]

Kimi is like the most human ai right now

[limber panther]

isnt that useless in roblocks

weather system UI?

[shy isle]

Arena is so op for using unlimited ai chatbots

This site is legit my goat

[royal sail]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[grand cliff]

Sure is.

[grand cliff]

I hope

Gonna start using that

[midnight marlin]

"Please provide your feedback
Your feedback helps us improve your experience. Learn more." And then the battle of two AIs.

God, it's annoying now when you choose just 1 model.

[loud verge]

A/B feedback in direct chat?

[toxic verge]

https://youtu.be/xTNya7DjAgE?si=1rYIV4VUaq8qKQH3

[elder rapids]

https://twitter.com/OfficialLoganK/status/2024302012091752768

Logan Kilpatrick (@OfficialLoganK)

Gemini

X · Feb 19, 2026, 1:56 AM

[undone saffron]

🤔

[ruby siren]

@everyone
Is LM arena really scamming us ? This is the output I got, it's clueless about itself, that's concerning

[undone saffron]

The generation problem had to be fixed first before adding the new comparison method

And they removed the button 🔃

[normal abyss]

NO ITS BACK 😭 i thought it was gone forever

plz someone tell me its still an experiment, not a full feature now🙏

[undone saffron]

From the flowing waters, it seems to be permanent

We'll see

[ruby siren]

What the hell is even that, brainwashed gemini

[normal abyss]

if its out of experiment that means its gona effect every chat, every few message, icl this might be seriously bad

[undone saffron]

Try it, maybe it's just for the first message

[normal abyss]

ran a quick test, and i dont have good news

6 messages in a new chat is when i got the thing

[undone saffron]

Well, I marked both answers as incorrect (since there were no options to choose a correct or incorrect answer), and when I tell it “Try again,” [it worked normally](#general message)

[normal abyss]

i rly believed this vote thing was scrapped, no one liked it and it was ruining the user experience and context for direct chat 😭

ig the site is free still i cant complain too much.

[whole sundial]

the one thing I hate about this is how they say its to "improve your experience"
typical corporate brainwashing, make the experience worse then say that they're doing it to "improve your experience"
arena can just go away with that talk
and who decided that it is to "improve my experience" in the first place? me or the big company who runs the platform? I hate companies deciding for people like we are being controlled by them like we aren't individual human beings with our own thoughts
and if it is truly to "improve my experience", then why can't I turn it off?
they should be truly honest and say "We are forcing feedback into your direct chats so we can then sell that information to AI labs that are taking your money and your electricity to create more slop."

@echo aurora

[wicked talon]

Feels off

Wow

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNRPA2boD/

[wicked talon]

How do we all rate this

[spare rune]

Profile picture

Theory..

[wicked talon]

Wdym?

I'm dumb

[spare rune]

Every people who comes here for videos don’t have a set profile picture

[wicked talon]

This was created and joined same day

Same w this

They ban evading discord or arena for sure

Low-key scary

Why has he ai generated a kid

And why does the kid look weird

[wicked talon]

Uncanny type

Oh cuz the pupils are the size of grapes

Low-key feel uncomfortable

[thorny schooner]

Why just why ☠️ ( no why is battle mode happening in direct chat if this is something permanent of course that's to happen when I am finally getting better at dealing with the whole verification thing)

[night moat]

Please fix gemini 3 pro 2k file size

[fiery saddle]

Hiii

[robust sluice]

its just a bug ?

I even though they nerf em

[night moat]

Idk. sometimes the size is normal (~6mB)

[robust sluice]

mine goes down to 200kb bro 😂

[night moat]

damn

file type should be .png, but instead it is .jpeg

[native yarrow]

yoo how do i fix that problem where if claude 4.6 thinking thinks too long, it says there was a problem generating this. it has to do with arena specifically

[thorny schooner]

I do really hate how battle mode now comes into direct chat randomly it just waste a prompt especially if it chooses a AI for both that does not fit closely with the original one or that's not even talking about with the whole verification issue that makes it even more annoying to waste prompts

[stone tundra]

when does leaderboard update?

[fickle venture]

It's 2K So the size should be big

Use low resolution for the size to be smaller

#share-prompts

[ocean ferry]

https://x.com/i/status/2024323500580700308

Ammaar Reshi (@ammaar)

@OfficialLoganK G3m1ni

X · Feb 19, 2026, 3:21 AM

https://x.com/i/status/2024302012091752768

Logan Kilpatrick (@OfficialLoganK)

Gemini

X · Feb 19, 2026, 1:56 AM

Gemini 3.1

[sick mantle]

Video Arena has been deleted from here sorry.

[tall tulip]

so it's not broken or something?

[fickle venture]

If you try 4k it will be 1-2 MB

It depends on the quality
Best quality = big size

[craggy depot]

why the fuc it is asking me to verify for literlly every chat

[sick mantle]

New age verification update

[craggy depot]

in the website

[sick mantle]

Just verify

I thought u was talking about discord chat

[thorny schooner]

Not going to lie this is genuinely the bs ever I have ever seen ( i'm being sarcastic ... Half-Wise)

[craggy depot]

for every follow up query ?

[sick mantle]

Yea

[craggy depot]

what the fuc

[tacit temple]

yeu

[sick mantle]

how can grok do this

[whole sundial]

i agree!
#general message

[craggy depot]

solve this

[sick mantle]

Click on those under

[whole sundial]

i will never in a million years accept any company saying that they are doing things to "make my experience better".
they don't care about the experience of customers and if they did they wouldn't be saying things like that

[sick mantle]

Like the blocks and stuff

[whole sundial]

at least you only have to do the discord verification once
on arena you have to do it every time you send a message
idk why can't just silently get an recaptchav3 or turnstile auth token in the background and refresh it like once every 30mins-1hr

[craggy depot]

excatly what I am saying , every time verify

[sick mantle]

I mean the bricks man

[thorny schooner]

☠️ not even two chats after the previous one

[craggy depot]

you are good man

[sick mantle]

this guy is not going to run gta 6 on there 😭💔

[glad peak]

hi

[finite ingot]

Side profile of an old wise man with a long white beard and a calm face, wearing a traditional robe, walking towards the well. He is carrying a wooden staff. Soft sunlight, desert background, blurred background, cinematic storytelling style."

[thorny schooner]

You know what I might have to take a break from using this bs for a whilecuz man it's just not worth it to have to deal with this every time with the verification stuff even if that means I can't really use any of the interesting story stuff I use for AI since the alternative I use for this is still down for some damn reason

[mighty crown]

hi

[tulip kindle]

Why are they doing this? To torment us?

[hollow horizon]

Hi

[thorny schooner]

I have no idea but honestly I genuinely think they are not even thinking about how this impact anyone's experience because I genuinely why it saves no purpose like Like no offense to any of the staff But ome of the reasons I have heard like experiment data I feel like that does not even work properly when it randomizes it face on that can easily disrupt the whole chain of prompts if it uses the wrong AI wishes a lot of times

[tulip kindle]

They just saw that few people were using Battle Mod and decided to parasitize.

[cloud cargo]

Kind of infuriating that they seemingly decided to cut corners by having images output as .jpegs now instead of full-quality .pngs as they were before. Grain in images is totally destroyed by compression now.

At least give me a window of time in which I can retrieve the image in full quality, please.

[toxic verge]

They have to save money somewhere not a big deal

At least they didn’t cut corners on their usernames

😂

[cloud cargo]

It is a big deal for me when I'm specifically generating images with grain.

Hell, I'd rather they increase the cooldown times than this.

[toxic verge]

What’s your negotiating leverage?

What are you bringing to the table?

[cloud cargo]

The common sense that enshittification is not a good thing for people.

[rocky mauve]

What’s the best model for planning? Like brainstorming really hard on a specific project

Leaderboards showing Claude 4.6 so ill go with that again

[toxic verge]

Gotta pay to play

[toxic verge]

Interested to know how it works out for you,

Would be cool to hear to know how it did

[cloud cargo]

This is not a good defense of enshittification. Not sure there is one to be honest.

[small lintel]

Hi

[undone saffron]

https://arena.ai/?chat-modality=video

[surreal zephyr]

🤡

[sick mantle]

They dont know XD

[surreal zephyr]

99,9% sure its a bot

[sick mantle]

Yea

They are 100% a bot

Ok @surreal zephyr WTF IS THIS

THEY SEND PATRICK NAKED

[keen beacon]

tf

is it better

[ocean ferry]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[sick mantle]

Yea kinda

[keen beacon]

damn

the thinking is too long

[sick mantle]

I recreated android and apples ad and this is what grok gave me

[keen beacon]

man idk why people abused 4o

😭

[sick mantle]

@keen beacon

[keen beacon]

WTF

[sick mantle]

One Monkey falling down the berg then a other one and a other one

[keen beacon]

i cant even find the better model

that is alternative to 4o fr

[sick mantle]

Yea

ok seedance wtf is this

THEY SPELLED FALLON WRONG

[keen beacon]

ai is getting crazy now

holy

[sick mantle]

yea

its all beacuse of this model

[keen beacon]

now i gotta find the better model

[sick mantle]

I recomend seedance 2.0 or grok

[keen beacon]

seedance 2,0

i cant find that

[keen beacon]

what type of grk

grok

[sick mantle]

fast

[keen beacon]

grok 4.1 fast chat?

[sick mantle]

Yes

In Grok Imageine u can make this.

[keen beacon]

something went wrong

wtf

cant even use grok 4.1 fast chat

[hushed gyro]

yo pineapple can we get a double response mode. One prompt, two responses, same model...

[sick mantle]

Dowload the grok app

[keen beacon]

is grk app better

[sick mantle]

Yea

They have imagine

[keen beacon]

you're tripping me

[sick mantle]

Yea fr

[keen beacon]

🤚

[sick mantle]

They have it

But pineapple has the imagine too

They update every day and they made this.

[keen beacon]

no no

i just want a storytelling stuff

breh

[sick mantle]

Ohh

[keen beacon]

yeah yeah

[sick mantle]

Maybe try Gemini

[keen beacon]

gemini

[sick mantle]

Yea they can now genrate music

[low patrol]

you want to make story with ai?

grok is best free one

[sick mantle]

Yea

[keen beacon]

ARGHHHHHHHHH

[low patrol]

because gemini doesn't give that much for free

[sick mantle]

BRO

[low patrol]

grok gives 10-20 videos for every account

[sick mantle]

Crows does not wanna hear all the time GROK GROK

[keen beacon]

fk gg

[low patrol]

it wasnt funny bro sorry

[keen beacon]

imma just use qwen for a while...

[sick mantle]

Yea QWEN IS GOOD

[low patrol]

qwen video or?

qwen text?

[sick mantle]

QWEN TEXT

[keen beacon]

text dawg

[low patrol]

best free text depends. if you want researching internet, grok 4.2 is best. but for hard science/math questions, i think claude opus 4.6

or gemini 3.0 pro

[sick mantle]

Ok im just gotta use claude for a while...

the old grok video was dog water

[keen beacon]

fr

[sick mantle]

But really the old grok was dog water

[keen beacon]

man

[sick mantle]

Oh yea u dont wanna hear grok

[ocean ferry]

https://x.com/i/status/2024426395137692084

White (@White1637402)

Gemini 3.1 Pro is now available in Vertex.

▶ Play video

X · Feb 19, 2026, 10:10 AM

[sick mantle]

OK 1 WHY AND 2 WHATS THAT

[keen beacon]

oh sh

i think claude opus 4.1 is good

[sick mantle]

Yea

It is fr

[keen beacon]

i don't wanna say this but

rest in peace... 4o.....

[sick mantle]

Yea, REST IN PEACE.

[keen beacon]

FR

but fr, why is grok videos so creepy

[sick mantle]

I KNOW RIGHT I TRYED GENRATING A VIDEO OF MARGE SIMPSON AND IT WAS MARGE FROM TEMU

[keen beacon]

man fk it imma just use gemini 3 flash from now on

[sick mantle]

im just going to use arena videos for now

[keen beacon]

are you copying me

...........

[languid crest]

I have got 800 dollars of GPU credits on digital ocean, anyone out here into AI training or inference?
You could do your stuff for way cheaper.

[sick mantle]

No

What are u talking about..

[tender bough]

GPT 5.3 codex and Grok 4.2 still not avaliable on arena.ai

[normal abyss]

Who would have liked the battle in direct mode if it was received like this? (dont mind the bad editing)

[thorny schooner]

I would have voted yes so fast if we were given the option ( i'for clarification I meant voting in fact I will then yes to even having the option which would have been a clear no when given option itself)

[spare rune]

Direct mode is still available tho

[surreal zephyr]

ok but why the hell its in there but not for users

[spare rune]

It’s prob for testing

[surreal zephyr]

knew it, sonnet doing well

[spare rune]

The rumors say it’ll come out today

[grand cliff]

Okay. Kimi 2.5 is giving me 4o vibes

Hope this keeps up

[surreal zephyr]

sonnet twice better than opus was to be expected tbf

[normal abyss]

from yesterdays update

[spare rune]

I guess it’s lik that for some users

Is it always like that

Or like every 5 messages

[normal abyss]

from my experience its generally every 2-13 messages, although i havent tested much

and yes it effects every chat now i think, unlike the experiments which were a bit more rare

[ocean ferry]

Gemini 3.1 Pro SVGs

[ocean ferry]

it's on vertex bro

https://x.com/i/status/2024443342675694078

Patrick Loeber (@patloeber)

🚀🚀🚀.🚀

X · Feb 19, 2026, 11:17 AM

[ocean ferry]

= 3.1

[cedar tide]

@echo aurora why we dont have sonnet 4.6 thinking ?

[spare rune]

No profile theory

[sweet knot]

The Arena.ai has turned into a very bad place with maximum of censorship. It refuses to translate rather innocent text saying it violates their rules.
It has become useless and ideologically engaged.

What a shame

[fickle venture]

Cuz too much just use normal or use opus 4.6 thinking

[fickle venture]

Gemini 3.1 is going to be good?

[cedar tide]

It dont want to use it but have leaderboard

[fickle venture]

Sonnet 4.6 isn't out yet on leaderboard they might add thinking I guess

[toxic verge]

Yeah it’s a shield and a dagger at the same time

[normal abyss]

i hope so, im pretty sure gemini 3.0 got nerfed though (i read that somewhere it might be fake news idk)

[fickle venture]

How would it even get nerfed

[toxic verge]

Gemini 3.0 did get nerfed

Hard

[fickle venture]

Why would they do this

[toxic verge]

$

[normal abyss]

its more that it forces short and quick responses, and it gets things wrong like a lot of the time getting further into chats. And it didnt used to do that.

[fickle venture]

Maybe that's only on ai studio and Gemini but trying it on a paid API will give you the unnerfed version

[toxic verge]

Facts

[round ridge]

i haven't been censored like. never.

[toxic verge]

https://tenor.com/view/bollocks-bollox-lie-lies-liar-gif-17559836294819913363

[fossil socket]

Why the hell are my prompts on Claude filled with pls provide feedback nonsense on arena.ai

@echo aurora

It's literally preventing me from just focusing on one prompt result

[rapid condor]

hello

[toxic verge]

The arena is funny place 😂

The dagger and the shield problem

Imagine there is an all-piercing dagger (it can cut through anything in existence) and an invincible shield (nothing in existence can damage or pierce it). The problem arises when we ask a simple question: What happens when the dagger strikes the shield?

[mossy girder]

Why login not working on phone

[toxic verge]

Gmail ?

[mossy girder]

Yup, trying to create new acc

[toxic verge]

Clear data

Try new browsers

Or use none g mail account

When you try to login g mail it redirects back to homepage

[proud bobcat]

Oh wow Qwen 3.5 pretty peak

[mossy girder]

This is exactly what's happening, redirecting to home

It seems no browser issue but backend handling

[toxic verge]

Yeah I know

I tried telling them

[spare rune]

No profile theory

Broo

A hivemind

This is a

[toxic verge]

Should work without Gmail

[mossy girder]

They should look into it

[spare rune]

Like all ALL

Of the people

Are

[toxic verge]

I use DuckDuckGo browser

It has clear fire button

Resets it for me

[mossy girder]

w/o gmail, it sends some mail to that mail n then the ID in link itself doesn't exists and is incomplete

[ocean ferry]

yeah apparently, less lazy

[toxic verge]

Yeah it will do that you need to clear all browser data

Are u using a vpn.?

[mossy girder]

No worries I tried other gmail and it did work

[toxic verge]

Ok cool

Yeah, I don’t know what causes that but it does that once in a while. It’s really weird.

It’s on the website bud

https://arena.ai/

[spare rune]

Omg

[mossy girder]

On some acc it's happening. OAuth2 implementation inconsistency ig or some transition handling.

[inner relic]

What do you guys think about gemini 3.1 writting

I tested this model on zenmux

[rigid copper]

:)

:)

[toxic verge]

Damn yall next level

[rigid copper]

somehow i got logged out for no reason

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy......

[sweet knot]

You must have been lucky since you were born.

[rigid copper]

pretty sure some fishy thing is going on there in arena.ai

[sweet knot]

It makes the tool useless.
The very same llms on their official websites provide with translations without any problems. And for no reason Arena.ai plays the role of prudish I don't know who.

[cerulean notch]

Hello guys

[sweet knot]

By the way, why is mai 1 preview of Microsoft still listed in the Leaderboard despite the fact that it has been removed from Arena for 2-3 months already?
It makes all the information in the Leaderboard suspicious and biased.

[rigid copper]

I don't think that's rate limit, if it does, it should only affect gemini 3 pro, why gemini 3 flash and claude goes the same thing???

arena.ai totally betrayed me 🥹

[rose sky]

How’s this video? I generated it with the new Seedance 2.0 AI video model. This took around 10 minutes of waiting time. I’m generating another video, and that one will take 15 minutes!

[keen beacon]

FINALLY

I FINALLY FOUND THE BEST MODEL

[deft spruce]

what model is it?

[stray aspen]

grok 4.2 is so good for research

[keen beacon]

cant tell

[stray aspen]

claudius 4.6 thinking

[keen beacon]

nope

not claude

[stray aspen]

it is claude lmao

all the benchmarks say it

[keen beacon]

its not claude dawg

im not using that

[deft spruce]

claude is ruling the text recently

[stray aspen]

claude is SotA

[keen beacon]

im not using claude

[stray aspen]

what are yo uusing then

[keen beacon]

go figure it out

and i'll give you a cookie

🍪

[inner relic]

seed 2.0

[deft spruce]

claude is ruling the chat bot

[keen beacon]

nope

[inner relic]

Glm

[deft spruce]

gemini?

[keen beacon]

nope.

[inner relic]

Kimi

[deft spruce]

chatgpt 5.1?

[keen beacon]

its actually..........

[rigid copper]

pretty sure gpt 5.2 high

[glacial mulch]

claude is king rn

[rigid copper]

jk

[keen beacon]

claude 4.6

ez

[deft spruce]

...wut?

[stray aspen]

bruh

[keen beacon]

i was using claude 4.6

limits is pain though.

[inner relic]

minos prime

[stray aspen]

command R

[keen beacon]

guys

if i may ask

how many are rate limits

using claude 4.6

[inner relic]

i am using gemini 3.1

[rigid copper]

figure it out then, it varies.

[keen beacon]

bro how

just tell me how many limits dawg

[rigid copper]

for code, somewhere around 6-7
for chat, idk, because i never hit rate limit before for this one

[keen beacon]

BRO

IDK CHAT

HOW MANY LIMITS

[deft spruce]

well token is 250000

and max is 200000

[keen beacon]

so how many

is it 6

or what

[deft spruce]

why am i knowing? (i saw chrome dev taps)

[keen beacon]

man...

[rigid copper]

i never chat with claude before, i only use claude for coding, all i can say is 30-50 (no fixed amount rate limit since it varies)

go figure it out and see how many times you chat with claude in arena.ai until it hit an rate limit

[keen beacon]

..

ok thank u

[stray aspen]

claude has a really generous message limit

claude think not so much

[keen beacon]

so what do you think

how many is it

is it like 5 prompts

or what

[bleak lake]

Ts launched?

[dreamy sparrow]

just buy the subscription in Claude

god damn bro

[keen beacon]

i mean in lmarena

dawg

[dreamy sparrow]

I know

[keen beacon]

god dammit bro

i think its around three prompts.

[dreamy sparrow]

if u really wanna use it

JUST

BUY IT

[keen beacon]

hell no

im using lmarena.

[dreamy sparrow]

I'm gonna

find you

[echo dome]

what is going on

[keen beacon]

why find me

bro.

[dreamy sparrow]

this guy keeps trying to calculate how much he can chat with claude

JUST BUY IT VRO

[keen beacon]

in lmarena

BRO LMARENA

NOT IN ANTHROPIC

[echo dome]

i mean i'm from russia

[dreamy sparrow]

IM SAYING BUY IT IN THE APPPPPPP

WHAT'S SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND

[stray aspen]

grok video is so bad

[keen beacon]

bro

im using it in lmarena

[dreamy sparrow]

grok itself is bad

[dreamy sparrow]

bro

[keen beacon]

the model

wdym

[dreamy sparrow]

in lmarena

[keen beacon]

i don't even have money

thats why im using it there instead

[echo dome]

i'm autisic too

[stray aspen]

like 15+ times

unless your using claude 4.6 think

thats like 5 messages

[keen beacon]

yes i am using

[keen beacon]

FINALLY

5 MESSAGES

[dreamy sparrow]

YOU COULD HAVE JUST TESTED IT

WHAT

LIKE WHAT

[bleak lake]

leave it he's not an adult probably

[echo dome]

that's true
if you're in unsupported century
you can't buy it

[dreamy sparrow]

oh come on I'm not that old and I at least have common sense

[stray aspen]

you also gotta pray the website doesnt show the something went wrong error because claude sometimes thinks for way too long and it breaks it

[bleak lake]

he's probably younger

[dreamy sparrow]

probably

[bleak lake]

I mean guy is using it to write stories

he's tryna find the best model for it

[keen beacon]

wdym

[keen beacon]

i got you

holy

the prompt of claude 4.6 is too damn long

[keen beacon]

are you serious

the prompt is way too longer bro

[raven temple]

When it be fixed?

[deft spruce]

idk

[stray aspen]

its working wdym

you just got unlucky

[deft spruce]

can you check the chrome dev tab?

[keen beacon]

nonono i mean

[deft spruce]

and click network tab

[keen beacon]

the prompt is taking too long to finish

[deft spruce]

and go to response

[stray aspen]

claude gives very complete responses

[keen beacon]

yeah

but its too much 😭

too long ngl

[stray aspen]

i think its better than getting a half ahh project from a model ike gemini and then having to polish it up with 600 prompts

[keen beacon]

fr

ok ok bro this is too long

imma just shorten it somehow

[rigid copper]

just switch model in arena.ai when you hit rate limit, there's not just only one claude in arena.ai

[keen beacon]

yep thats right.

[inner relic]

not yet

early access

[keen beacon]

imma just use claude sonnet 4.6

[hallow siren]

Anyone can give a best image genration ai model who is good at genarting logo , I have been trying some models which lacks understanding

[stray aspen]

nano banena pro

[rigid copper]

for me since i'm familiar with puter.js, i asked claude to make the working ai chat interface via code arena with integration of puter.js

[golden ocean]

language model

[thorny schooner]

I might actually go mad why was the comparison mode in direct chat made non-experimental with no announcement cuz there's no way it's still experimental when it just with how it just became hyperactive randomly

[keen beacon]

LESGOO

finally

[golden ocean]

💅

[surreal zephyr]

wow

[gleaming roost]

😊

[frosty lava]

many people are saying gemini 3.1 pro today ?

[vagrant reef]

hello guys!

[keen beacon]

alright bro

[vagrant reef]

im russian

[keen beacon]

claude opus 4.6 is better

[ocean ferry]

the model system prompt either tell the model to lie and guess everything or just partially solved

Gemini 3.1 is so damn good

[ocean ferry]

i have a better model that learns to play breakout in seconds

[surreal zephyr]

read the article

its crazy good

[ocean ferry]

hmm give the link

[surreal zephyr]

https://019c7639-fadb-7126-b075-b681cd321735.arena.site/

[ocean ferry]

the secret is like how humans learn(they don't learn), they just infer

[surreal zephyr]

mb i forgot to paste it

[ocean ferry]

bro instead of making a hypothetical AGI i have that's almost AGI

it learns breakout so fast(<200 steps)

[golden ocean]

inference

[ocean ferry]

based on Elizabeth Spelke Knowledge Core theory

which is human don't really learn that much, the knowledge from evolution are hardcoded into the brain, and that prior explains like almost everything you observe

[golden ocean]

biological neural network

[ocean ferry]

and it's vibe coded by claude ofc🥀😹

[ocean ferry]

not a neural network

[surreal zephyr]

yeah thats the point

brain is llm

[golden ocean]

wdymb ro

[ocean ferry]

it's like active inference

[quartz pike]

HOLY SHEEZ

so i was in the zai server

[ocean ferry]

i'm not using neural network

[quartz pike]

and i saw this

[ocean ferry]

for that

[quartz pike]

notification

[golden ocean]

oh* whatever ur making isnt a neural network

[ocean ferry]

who told you that

[golden ocean]

real

[quartz pike]

huh wtf did i miss out on

[surreal zephyr]

basic biology

[golden ocean]

sydney my artificial neural network girlfriend told me

[eternal forum]

Ashok

[ocean ferry]

brain don't pattern match, LLMs are sample inefficient, brains are really sample efficient

and brains aren't black box

[golden ocean]

mechanistic interpretability

[surreal zephyr]

brains DO pattern match

and brains are black box

lol

[golden ocean]

brains are prediction machines

but not transformers token prediction things

obviously

[ocean ferry]

well yeah it seems to do pattern matching, but they're not activating all neurons

[surreal zephyr]

wait till bro learns how llms work

[ocean ferry]

black box cannot explain things, brain can

[ocean ferry]

transformers, attention

[golden ocean]

attention is all you need

[surreal zephyr]

you realise llms dont activate all either?

[golden ocean]

spiking neural network llm

bayesian llms

[surreal zephyr]

im talking about actual ones like gemini flash

[golden ocean]

boltzman brain

[ocean ferry]

it's a MoE

not the neurons

[surreal zephyr]

...just like humans

[golden ocean]

lets predict what @ocean ferry's next 2 tokens will be

I guess:
MoE
[24399, 36]

[ocean ferry]

MoE routes tokens to expert FFN blocks via a learned gating network, uhh like the routing decision is static post-training, per-token, and the experts are fixed-size weight matrices that never change at inference

brain sparsity emerges DYNAMICALLY from inhibitory interneuron competition (lateral inhibition in cortex), it's content-addressable via attractor dynamics, and critically it's tied to predictive coding where only PREDICTION ERRORS propagate up the hierarchy, not the full signal. that's not routing, that's fundamentally different information geometry

also in MoE, experts are just different parameter regions with no semantic specialization enforced. brain's "experts" uhh like... are dynamically assembled through neuromodulation (dopamine, acetylcholine gating plasticity), coherent gamma oscillations for binding, and hippocampal indexing theory for retrieval. the assembly IS the computation

and MoE still has no belief updating. the brain's sparsity serves predictive coding's purpose of minimizing free energy. MoE's sparsity just serves compute efficiency

[golden ocean]

gpt-4 sydney fine tune was agi

[ocean ferry]

and "LLMs don't activate all neurons either" bro... every single token still passes through ALL attention heads across ALL layers. MoE skips some FFN experts but the attention mechanism is FULLY dense. brains don't do global all-to-all attention on everything in your context window lmaooo

AND BRAIN DOESN'T DO BACKPROP

[stray aspen]

where do we use them

[surreal zephyr]

mistral large is agi

[quartz pike]

aint on the arena yet but it says that its out

[ocean ferry]

go answer my take.

[quartz pike]

btw wtf am i missing out on

[golden ocean]

human brain context window size

[surreal zephyr]

id say arond 1k max

its like 1k window + 10k persistent memory thats being cherry picked by subagent

[stray aspen]

is thsi real

https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1r8wlhb/gemini_31_pro_oneshots_a_windows_11style_web_os/

[surreal zephyr]

who cares its getting back to 2.5 flash level next week lol

gemini 3 was also able to do that before nerf

[stray aspen]

why do they nerf them models

[surreal zephyr]

money

[ocean ferry]

bro just described a RAG pipeline and called it a brain 💀
"subagent cherry picking from persistent memory" = you literally just invented a homunculus, the most famously WRONG idea in cognitive science since Descartes. who dispatches the subagent? who tells IT what to look for? you've just pushed the problem back a level
and the 1k + 10k framing is still a flat quantitative model on a system that's hierarchically generative. the neocortex doesn't store 10k retrievable chunks, it stores causal world models across temporal scales, V1 encodes local edge statistics, IT cortex encodes invariant object structure, PFC encodes abstract relational schemas. these aren't memory slots, they're nested generative priors
also "cherry picked" fundamentally misunderstands what memory even IS in the brain. hippocampus doesn't fetch stored data, it reconstructs via partial pattern completion using index pointers + cortical priors. every retrieval is a re-inference, not a lookup. that's why eyewitness testimony is unreliable, that's why memories drift over time. a RAG system doesn't do that
so to summarize your model of the brain: flat context window + flat memory pool + a retrieval agent that somehow knows what's relevant
bro described GPT with a vector database and thought you were doing neuroscience huh?

[surreal zephyr]

MOE

[inner relic]

Google is a multi billion company

are they greedy

[surreal zephyr]

no but they offer it to billions of ppl for free

[inner relic]

ohhh

ok

[surreal zephyr]

they benchmaxx

then nerf

[golden ocean]

do u think @ocean ferry is a quantized model or no

ampro

[ocean ferry]

bro MoE doesn't fix the homunculus problem, it IS the homunculus problem
the gating network in MoE that decides which experts to activate uhh... is a learned static function over the input token embedding. it has no world model, no uncertainty estimate, no goals. it's a glorified if-statement trained by backprop
the brain's "routing" happens via neuromodulatory systems (ACh signals uncertainty and gates plasticity, dopamine signals prediction error and modulates what gets consolidated, norepinephrine signals novelty and resets attractor states). these aren't routers, they're dynamic context signals that reshape the entire computational landscape in real time
and crucially MoE experts don't talk to each other. they're parallel independent FFN blocks. brain regions are reciprocally connected with top-down predictions and bottom-up prediction errors flowing simultaneously. the "experts" in the brain are co-defining each other's computations through recurrent message passing
also MoE is still trained end-to-end with backprop through time on a loss function. brain learning is uhh like... local, Hebbian, neuromodulatory-gated, and biologically plausible. completely different credit assignment mechanism
every time you say MoE you're describing compute efficiency, not cognition bro

[ocean ferry]

i'm not a math

[surreal zephyr]

this

[surreal zephyr]

idk but he yapps worse than mistral small

3.1 pro is literally 3.0 pro pre nerf

[stray aspen]

claude 4.6 is so good

so we got gemini 3 pro pre nerf

today

[surreal zephyr]

holy cheap

[ocean ferry]

you shall learn neuroscience kiddo. every single point you made tonight was either a category error or LLM architecture mislabeled as biology. i'm not yapping, i'm debunking your misinformation about how the brain actually works. because misinformation can spread fast, and those beginners who wants to learn would be confused.

[surreal zephyr]

ur literally copy pasting from chatgpt 💔

[ocean ferry]

??

[surreal zephyr]

and not even making sense

[keen beacon]

holy

[ocean ferry]

bro i swear stop your misinformation.

[golden ocean]

Large Language Models

[surreal zephyr]

right...

[golden ocean]

steamhappy emoji is the best

[surreal zephyr]

"ai intermediate" vs "ai expert"

[ocean ferry]

i don't care what role i'm in

[golden ocean]

he is a MoE

all his neurons are activated at once

that why he generate so much tokens

[ocean ferry]

you're spreading misinformation

[surreal zephyr]

that would fry the brain

[golden ocean]

true

dopamine receptor frying

[surreal zephyr]

can we run you on arc agi?

i think he'd get below 20%

[ocean ferry]

i'm already AGI

i'm a human not an LLM

[surreal zephyr]

no because u cant do math

and you get worse score on agi bench than gpt 52

[ocean ferry]

...

you're comparing me to an LLM?

[stray aspen]

lmao

[surreal zephyr]

yeah and you'd lost

[golden ocean]

Is P equal to NP?

[surreal zephyr]

mistral large knows

he doesnt

[golden ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1446560503668146178/1459304738666315827/iq-below-zero.gif

[surreal zephyr]

my gif 🥰

[loud verge]

Is Gemini 3.1 out?

👀

[stray aspen]

no

[surreal zephyr]

yes but only via api

[golden ocean]

multimodal modal brain

[stray aspen]

gemini 3 pro pre nerf is

[loud verge]

https://tenor.com/view/bongo-cat-gif-19081723

[surreal zephyr]

yeah its literally 3 pro pre nerf

[golden ocean]

how many tokens is that gif worth

[surreal zephyr]

3 pro pre-pre-pre all nerfs was best

like

[golden ocean]

visual input tokens

[surreal zephyr]

it was insane

[golden ocean]

every proton that enters our eyes = 1 token

[surreal zephyr]

idk i see a hoverboard, a big fish, and 3 words

[golden ocean]

how much does @ocean ferry inference cost on the api

[surreal zephyr]

thats 5 tokens

4 if i dont notice the hoverboard

[golden ocean]

true

every hamburger i eat consists of 52 tokens

[surreal zephyr]

idk

perhaps

wait

we got like

atleast 3 tastes

salt, sugar, acid

so

3 types of tokens 🤔

2x2x2 combinations

lets say 10 because im quantized

(and padding)

we get

bread

cheese

tomato

meat

bread

(maybe sauces)

thats around 5 parts times 10 options

so 50

• sauces = garlic sauce, mustard, ketchup, none

4 choices

@golden ocean so 54 tokens per burger indeed

[golden ocean]

SO REAL

[golden ocean]

@ocean ferry can u confirm

[surreal zephyr]

scam

i read somewhere

that

if you ask chatgpt

then disconnect internet when its thinking

you can trap it

inside your pc

[ocean ferry]

no

[surreal zephyr]

before it runs back

[surreal zephyr]

then how many mr smartypants

cant argue with math!

[ocean ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[golden ocean]

is this how @ocean ferry escaped

[surreal zephyr]

probably the internet cable was cut

but not fully

so only 1 out of the moe escaped

and thats hwy its so bad

[golden ocean]

LMAa

[surreal zephyr]

llma

rena

[golden ocean]

convolutional neural network arena

[keen beacon]

Guys

I have a problem

[golden ocean]

im female not a guy

[stray aspen]

holy cap

[keen beacon]

Earlier, I can't access the direct chat

[golden ocean]

true

[keen beacon]

When I entered something, it turned into battle mode

After that

I just got back direct chat

IS IT A BUG!??

[ocean ferry]

send it

[charred mango]

Hello, My name is debbie

[golden ocean]

true

[surreal zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1446560503668146178/1468385294309920979/togif.gif

im email

[stray aspen]

skibi ddop dop yes yes

[surreal zephyr]

lol

[stray aspen]

holy cap

[charred mango]

I need my girlies on this , is anyone availble? i wanted to ask can i drop my discord server link on here? just for ladies

[stray aspen]

no

[golden ocean]

no

[celest orchid]

nice

[stray aspen]

how

[celest orchid]

idk

[stray aspen]

what platform is that

[charred mango]

I cant?

[celest orchid]

google ai studio

in build page

[stray aspen]

holy sigma

its true

[celest orchid]

nice

[half mist]

It’s not a good model. It made this in one prompt, and it has bugs right off the bat: https://wwtv127.github.io/gist-previewer/?gist=https://gist.github.com/wwtv127/1e32cd9700e409840dcd770df0e11ef3

[stray aspen]

3.1 is live on build mode

[tall tulip]

guys, is nanobana stilstillstill in low resolution?

pardon the stuttering

[stray aspen]

no

its 2k wdym

[tall tulip]

when i download it, it's less than 1mb

[golden ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/757267847142703174/2d2a339d16c432986b1e238219297a36.webp?size=1024

[stray aspen]

3.1 pro live on ai studio

[surreal zephyr]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/945168127191285810/1127666475981877278/attachment-36.gif

[dusky ravine]

Do you guys got lag too

[stray aspen]

3.1 pro is officialy live on ai studio

[normal topaz]

why i am out? what happened?

[stray aspen]

@echo aurora are we getting 3.1 pro on lm arena

[dusky ravine]

Why It's so lagging, it generate so long

[stray aspen]

bro yupp is insane

these people dont sleep

[half mist]

I tried the same prompt with the old Gemini 3 Pro, and it’s already way better. Not looking good for Gemini 3.1 Pro: https://wwtv127.github.io/gist-previewer/?gist=https://gist.github.com/wwtv127/d2d55552fd4485efd1eecf1debf3141c

[void elm]

yes and ihope its asap so i can dump my wallet on polymarket

[stray aspen]

take advantage of 3.1 before i gets dialed down bad

[stray aspen]

then we gonna get gemini 3 pro pre 3.1 nerf pre 3 nerf

[half mist]

3.1 is already dialed down bad on first release

[void elm]

3.1 is what 3 was meant to be, 3.2 is going to be what 3.1 was meant to be

or 3.5**

[sick mantle]

Now me

[stray aspen]

gemini 3 was so good on release

now it cant even watch videos correctly and associate timestamps with frames correctly

[cloud zinc]

anyone know 3.1 benchmark?

[stray aspen]

task bar looks pretty good

[celest orchid]

yeah

[stray aspen]

its almost the same gang

[glacial mulch]

3.1 is on aistudio

[sick mantle]

Who wants chicken back

[stray aspen]

im a sigma from ohio

[surreal zephyr]

thats not geminis

i had gemini 3.1 pro recreate discord, here:

[celest orchid]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[echo sinew]

Thank you

[surreal zephyr]

Thank you

[sick mantle]

Thank you

[golden ocean]

Thank you

[void elm]

benchmarks dropped, go drop ur bank in polymarket

[stray aspen]

where

reat

great

[golden ocean]

this going to last only a day

[stray aspen]

i gotta do all my stuff today

before it gets back to gemini 2.5 llevel in a day

[golden ocean]

fr

[surreal zephyr]

no way literally opus 4.6

[echo sinew]

@deep matrix Note that Video Arena has been removed from the server. More information can be found in this announcement.

[hollow mortar]

There is gemini 3.1 nanobana pro coming rn

[stray aspen]

cap

[celest orchid]

Guys, does anyone know any sites like Open Claw AI Agents without restrictions?

[sick mantle]

Can someone give me other websites for seedance 2.0

[stray aspen]

gemini 3.1 sucks

[stray aspen]

doubao

[golden ocean]

does it need chinese number

[sick mantle]

I ALREADY KNOW THAT

[sick mantle]

YEA

[golden ocean]

ending sentences with a -
is super dangerous

[sick mantle]

Im not in danger

[golden ocean]

oh
mb

[stray aspen]

no

just vpn

and you dont even need to have it on the whole time

as long as you dont reload the website your good

[sick mantle]

BUT THERE ARE CREDITS

[cunning birch]

Gemini thinks toooooo much

[stray aspen]

just delete the cookies llmao

[golden ocean]

fr 🍪

[peak sapphire]

@echo aurora when Gemini 3.1 on LMarena

[sick mantle]

Already is

[echo aurora]

Sorry going to have to give the boring answer -> I won't be able to share details about what new models or features are upcoming until we're ready to share more. Would recommend to keep an eye on our announcement channel.

[inner relic]

Alr it's capable of code, what about writting

[peak sapphire]

No

[sick mantle]

Ohh

[stray aspen]

just go to ai studio

its there

[thorny schooner]

hi

Hope you all are doing good

[peak sapphire]

I know

[golden ocean]

bro called footage of cats cringe

[stray aspen]

the music is so cringe

[golden ocean]

true
who cares

i have music off for shortform content

[lost patrol]

i see announcement beeing typed.
Maybe already gemini on number one?

[fickle venture]

Tomorrow it will be nerfed

[lost patrol]

yep 🙁

or at least in a few days. after benchmarks are done

[spare rune]

Gemini 3.1 is already on leaderboards tho

[stray aspen]

live

on lm arena

[echo aurora]

Right now

[wicked sage]

wtf wait

GEMINI 3.1???

[surreal zephyr]

added to leaderboard before actually made chattable is crazy

[old garden]

[stray aspen]

still not better than claudius

lmao

[thorny schooner]

I know we got the announcement lol

[surreal zephyr]

couldnt be more faked

[old garden]

hi Janix

[lost patrol]

oh not 1

[celest orchid]

nice

[wicked sage]

WHEN DID GOOGLE LAUNCH 3.1

hi trey

[stray aspen]

yo

give us seedance

[velvet forge]

Why not even 3.0 pro ga

[old garden]

Like 30 mins ago

[surreal zephyr]

it doesnt even know js syntax

[old garden]

https://tenor.com/view/sybau-lazerdim-lazerdim700-ld-sylau-gif-8872031861262125330

[sick mantle]

@echo aurora When seedance 2.0 on arena

[lost patrol]

i expected more - shame on you google

[wicked sage]

why is he eating a strawberry

[old garden]

Idk

[peak sapphire]

Huh, a second ago, you said you couldn't reveal any future updates 🙂

[wicked sage]

gemini 3.5 pro maxing simulator soon trademark