general

[surreal zephyr]

better than 4.6, worse than 5.2

5.2 easily best

now 5.2 high vs 5.2 codex 🤔

cant wait for 5.3 access fr

codex not bad

[golden ocean]

codex bad

[verbal nimbus]

This one just looks like perlin noise imo

[surreal zephyr]

the prompt asked for low poly, which is exacly what it was meant to do. just that maybe too repetitive it looks

opus just acts like "it knows better" and doesnt follow the prompt

[surreal zephyr]

another 5.2- high attempt

[verbal nimbus]

Is this really using threejs

[surreal zephyr]

yuh

geniuely 5.2-high might be the best model out there rn

[golden ocean]

thats pretty adorable

[surreal zephyr]

wireframe looks bad on screenshot but the wireframe on animation looks good

[verbal nimbus]

pretty decent

[surreal zephyr]

https://019c3eaa-64b4-75b0-a425-2b29dc50de52.arena.site/

https://019c3e8f-766d-77e5-90cb-61a6b0a54c82.arena.site/

those two made by 5.2 high, really good

especially if you lower wave scale

[verbal nimbus]

Pretty good

[surreal zephyr]

way better than opus 4.6 i 4.5 which suprises me

[verbal nimbus]

What if you remove the threejs restriction

[surreal zephyr]

what should it use then?

[verbal nimbus]

Just say 3d

[surreal zephyr]

gpt 5.2 vs opus 4.5 or 4.6?

[verbal nimbus]

4.6

I'm getting hit with a gazillion captchas with my vpn rn

[drifting bay]

hello, is there any way to access archived chats in the arena?

[surreal zephyr]

alr lets see

both decided to use three.js

oh opus just crashed

xD

[verbal nimbus]

Lol

[surreal zephyr]

crashed again

W opus

[verbal nimbus]

ok i'm running it right now

took like 10 minutes of trying and failing captchas lmao

The captchas looping and by the time I solved the captcha the prompt timed out

[verbal nimbus]

Oh, same

I'm curious how Kimi handles it too

[surreal zephyr]

ok so opus 4.6 is awful

[verbal nimbus]

Opus 4.5 Thinking 🤔

[heady jewel]

gpt-3 codex just released

[surreal zephyr]

"just"

[heady jewel]

what

it did just release

[surreal zephyr]

ugly

[verbal nimbus]

Idk why the color function became so weird

It's just using trig functions I think

Oh yeah, what's up with Opus 4.6 Thinking 👀

[surreal zephyr]

worse than gemini fr

[verbal nimbus]

4.6 tried to use more files and tried to write shaders

[surreal zephyr]

well it failed miserably

[verbal nimbus]

Yeah lol

[surreal zephyr]

lets see

[verbal nimbus]

I wonder how Kimi K2.5 thinking does

[surreal zephyr]

cinema

[verbal nimbus]

Is this output one-shot?

[verbal nimbus]

Oh nothing? lol

[surreal zephyr]

Both 5.2 high i sent are by the same 1 prompt i sent

[verbal nimbus]

Thanks, comparison:

[surreal zephyr]

U can include both 5.2 high attempts tbh

[verbal nimbus]

I think the diff is pretty clear

[surreal zephyr]

True

5.2 is js another level compared to em

Its crazy

[verbal nimbus]

Very interesting

Quite sensitive to task domain I think, for Matplotlib Gemini and Claude is better

[heady jewel]

can you try gpt 5.3 high?

[surreal zephyr]

5.2 one better performance too

[surreal zephyr]

Doesnt exist

[heady jewel]

yes it does

[surreal zephyr]

Link

[shrewd citrus]

try a high poly ocean

[verbal nimbus]

Not selectable in side-by-side mode, idk if they've added it

[quartz light]

https://019c3ebd-1c64-70fb-afb1-96fa4129d638.arena.site/

[shrewd citrus]

or something that’s just super realistic

[quartz light]

test it

[heady jewel]

oh ok

[shrewd citrus]

i feel like opus 4.6 took the prompt to seriously

[surreal zephyr]

No

The opus 4.6 one said 96k tri

💀

[verbal nimbus]

Idk which part it messed up, but it tried to write custom shader functions which 4.5 didn't

[surreal zephyr]

Thats more than gpt 5.2 both attempts combined

[quartz light]

TRY IT TRY IT TRY IT TRY IT TRY IT TRY IT TRY IT TRY IT TRY IT

[verbal nimbus]

Wow

What model made that?

[surreal zephyr]

@heady jewel wdym by gpt 5.3

[verbal nimbus]

It's like first-person Powder Toy

[quartz light]

opus 4.6 nonthinking

[surreal zephyr]

Nice

4.6 nonthinking>thinking ?

[verbal nimbus]

Wow, impressive

[verbal nimbus]

BTW you can right click anywhere on the screen to put the elements

[quartz light]

i know

and q/e to switch modes

[verbal nimbus]

wow very cool, I'm a big fan of Powder Toy

[quartz light]

my favourite mode is freeze

or fireball

[verbal nimbus]

I wonder how it's so good on non-thinking

[verbal nimbus]

How many turns did it take?

[quartz light]

1

1 prompt

[verbal nimbus]

Hmm that's kinda suspicious 🤔

[surreal zephyr]

lies

[quartz light]

lol its true

nope

[surreal zephyr]

say prompt

[verbal nimbus]

Yeah, but I meant from a data contamination perspective

[surreal zephyr]

or it prolly stole the code 💀

[quartz light]

naw uh

also it didnt use any libs

[surreal zephyr]

the graphics are the impressive part imo

[quartz light]

yeah

[verbal nimbus]

Oh I googled Noita, it looks so similar to the actual game 🤔

[quartz light]

code

67kb 😭

[verbal nimbus]

I think it's a bit suspicious since it managed to replicate the game so accurately

[quartz light]

nah it isnt imo

[verbal nimbus]

Like how would it know the color scheme of the game unless it has seen example code from recreations

[surreal zephyr]

the gunpowder is PEAK

4.6 nonthinking

xD

its AWFUL

maybe its not real opus on llmarena 💀

it cant be this bad

[prisma cipher]

"error"

[surreal zephyr]

can u give the prompt tho

i wanna try with other models

[verbal nimbus]

That's why I'm a bit suspicious how it managed to recreate the other game it one shot

[quartz light]

alr but dont cringe pls

create a genuinely incredible truly comprehensive INSANELY BEAUTIFUL replica of noita as a single html file web project. genuinely incredible. max effort in everything. zero shortcuts etc.

[prisma cipher]

3 o 4 fps, lol. Bad optimize

[surreal zephyr]

✌️

[quartz light]

nop, its jus ur device

[surreal zephyr]

Gemini roasting saying its sonnet 3.5 levels of code 😭

[heady jewel]

its a model like opus 4.6

[quartz light]

no it jus doesnt know about 4.5

[surreal zephyr]

Gpt 5.3 doesnt exist

[heady jewel]

whats the prompt for this

[quartz light]

5.3 codex

[surreal zephyr]

Scroll up

[heady jewel]

are you sure

[old garden]

@quartz light mango

[surreal zephyr]

Yeah but he said that 5.3 just released

[quartz light]

hi

[surreal zephyr]

Not codex

[old garden]

hjello

i have almost finishe the

userscrip

i thinhk

[prisma cipher]

introduces mobile optimization

[quartz light]

the only reason i only sent the nonthinking version (and i am not even going to continue attempting to use thinking from now on) is because lmarena ####IN TIMES OUT AND DOESNT LET ANYONE TEST EXTENSIVE THINKING MODELS PROPERLY 😭

[surreal zephyr]

It lags on 9070xt w 5900x both OC 🥀

[quartz light]

im on a laptop, runs at 144fps :p

[surreal zephyr]

It runs 240 for, 200 when much gunpowder me but

Which is awful for 2d

[quartz light]

yea it can get laggy

[quartz light]

i think it has some typa raytracing

[surreal zephyr]

Give promp

🥀

[surreal zephyr]

Oh

Lets see 5.2 high 🔥

[quartz light]

no

it will time out

/:

this problem has existed since forever

they dont care to fix it

[drifting bay]

Is opus 4.6 thinking not on the leaderboard yet?

[quartz light]

even if it is, i dont care about the score

its not accurate

we cant actually test 4.6 thinking

[drifting bay]

Why not

[quartz light]

because when it tries to think for a proper amount of time

for actual projects

it times out

it needs time to think

[drifting bay]

Both 4.6 and 4.6 thinking seems to be available in direct chat

[quartz light]

i know

[surreal zephyr]

Its awful

And it wont get on lb xD

[quartz light]

no it isnt wdym

[surreal zephyr]

It gets bullied by gpt 5.2 xD

[quartz light]

its just the fact that we cant test it with the duration of time its designed to be given to think

[drifting bay]

Ah i see...so the score is just going to be based off simpler prompts?

[verbal nimbus]

It's interesting that you can see Claude using some components in other games before:

[quartz light]

dont care

[surreal zephyr]

Claude simps 💔

[quartz light]

not

[drifting bay]

Do you think it would have topped the leaderboard if people were able to test it properly?

[quartz light]

got it to make a pathtracer for robloo.x as well as a horizontal points based custom renderer for robloo.x with colorsequences used as pixels

[surreal zephyr]

It would get above gemini 3.0 pro but below gpt 5.2 low,codex

[quartz light]

5.2 high miserably failed

gpt sucks

it does

ive given it many tries

[surreal zephyr]

Proof?

[quartz light]

no

i dont have much time

[surreal zephyr]

I tried water animations with opus 4.6 and 4.5 and gpt 5.2 and 5.2 codex 3 times each.

5.2 was best everytime.
5.2 codex was a little behind
4.5 opus was far behind codex
4.6 opus was notably behind 4.5 opus

(Opus thinking )

[quartz light]

so youre basically saying whatever algorithm the model decides to use for waves determines the whole models performance

i use ai every day

ive tried using 5.2 high

its just bad

universally bad

[hushed gyro]

It's so freaking disappointing man... There's rate limits rn for days when there hasn't been any for NB Pro for weeks...

And 2k takes 3-5 minutes to generate pictures.

[hushed gyro]

Honestly this company should be losing a crap ton of company rn for giving out such poor quality of service

[surreal zephyr]

opus 4.5 and 4.6 made 2d waves BRO

[quartz light]

then say 3d

[hushed gyro]

OMG IT'S BEEN 5 MINUTES...

[surreal zephyr]

I DID BRO, SCROLL UP

i said 3d and using threejs

[quartz light]

lol ok im going to give it an actual good prompt

and its going to give a good output

and ur going to make another excuse and deny it

[surreal zephyr]

ok show me good low poly realistic water with waves in 3d made by opus 4.6

ill wait

(im not any company glazer, im just saying my testing results)

[hushed gyro]

Guys how can your coding generations be so good, I used the same models and ended up with dogwater results

Do I need more specific prompts?

[prisma cipher]

Opus 4.6 model thinking:

The user wants me to create a Bright Memory: Infinite-style game clone in a single HTML5 file, optimized for mobile devices, with realistic graphics and fully functional. Let me create a comprehensive FPS-style action game with:

3D rendering using WebGL/Canvas
Touch controls for mobile
Player movement, shooting, combat mechanics
Enemy AI
Visual effects (particles, lighting)
HUD with health, ammo, skills
Performance optimized
I'll use Canvas 2D with pseudo-3D raycasting for performance on mobile devices, combined with particle effects, enemy system, and touch controls.

Let me build a comprehensive game with:

Raycasting 3D engine
Touch/mouse controls
Weapons system
Enemy AI with pathfinding
Particle effects
HUD overlay
Sound generation via Web Audio API
Performance optimizations
I'm creating a pseudo-3D FPS game using raycasting with modern visual enhancements, particle effects, enemies, multiple weapons, and skills like sword slashes and time manipulation, all with full touch controls for mobile. This is going to be a substantial single-file game with a raycasting 3D renderer, textured walls, and all the core mechanics needed.

🙂

[north obsidian]

What was the result?

[north obsidian]

This?

[prisma cipher]

In progress

[north obsidian]

Ok

[surreal zephyr]

5.2 did quite good

(it has scrolling world btw)

[prisma cipher]

Basic result:

https://019c3edf-0db4-7c96-a519-fddfa1359f95.arena.site/

[surreal zephyr]

autoclicker goes brrr, also kinda bad no offense

ai sucks at 3d

get it to make a good water ill wait

[hushed gyro]

@echo aurora Fix the NB Pro models. Yet again. Waited for 5 minutes then gave me an error.

Please 🙏

[verbal nimbus]

A bit glitchy but cool

[quartz light]

garbage

i can tell

[surreal zephyr]

atleast its scrolling unlike opus 4.6 glazer

[quartz light]

????

[hushed gyro]

Guys why can't I load arena site it says unverified connection

[surreal zephyr]

and better perf

[quartz light]

i didnt specify for it to scroll, i dont need scrolling

[surreal zephyr]

small map + laggy

[quartz light]

because it doesnt look good

[surreal zephyr]

bad prompt

[quartz light]

gpt glaze

[verbal nimbus]

Kimi K2.5

[quartz light]

lmfao

[quartz light]

blocked

[surreal zephyr]

kid

opus looked better but costed 20 times more, took 20 times longer, and way worse performance, and smaller map

🥀

in real usage gpt wins

[surreal zephyr]

still better than opus 4.6 💀

[quartz light]

it generated it fast

[surreal zephyr]

crazy

[surreal zephyr]

someone gotta try 5.3 codex

[verbal nimbus]

Opus?

I like Gemini's color scheme

Also it has a box that floats

[surreal zephyr]

gpt 5.2 > gemini > kimi > opus 4.5 > opus 4.6 result

[quartz light]

opus

it has hydrodynamics

[surreal zephyr]

me when i lie^

[quartz light]

?

[verbal nimbus]

Do you have a link for this?

[quartz light]

im trying again with a better prompt

its a bit bugged

ill fix rq

[surreal zephyr]

lol knew it

he wont give link

[quartz light]

ok but have you shared code

[surreal zephyr]

• it wont be one shot

[surreal zephyr]

yes i have, scroll up dumba##

[verbal nimbus]

Which one? I'm not logged in so can't share links

[quartz light]

i dont see

[quartz light]

seriously?

yall do realise

they could all just be using

ocean js

[surreal zephyr]

opus 4.6

[quartz light]

if youre not checking if theyre just using an existing lib

[surreal zephyr]

they are permitted to use any, as specified in prompt, but they used threejs both

[quartz light]

show screenshot along with prompt

[quartz light]

thats simple as #### if youre not asking it to make it custom

thats so dumb

[verbal nimbus]

Looks like Kimi actually wrote custom shader functions

[surreal zephyr]

and yet both opus failed, i wonder why

[verbal nimbus]

Doesn't look like waves, but it's quite pretty

[surreal zephyr]

yeah opus is good at making things look good

[quartz light]

didnt you say lowpoly?

[surreal zephyr]

but gpt is more reliable and advanced

[surreal zephyr]

i asked for high poly for you specifically

💀

using YOUR prompt

[quartz light]

???

what

[surreal zephyr]

holy how r u so dum

[quartz light]

i didnt ever share a prompt for water?

we serious?

[surreal zephyr]

i used your noita prompt

because you said mine is bad

[quartz light]

you didnt even specify "high poly"

[quartz light]

thats..

[verbal nimbus]

Flash's is ugly, but GLM seems to have messed up completely

[quartz light]

you just edited the noita prompt

thats what im saying

that is a bad prompt

noita prompt was good

but this is just not specifying anything

[surreal zephyr]

flash's still better than opus 4.6 thinking low poly attempt 😭

[quartz light]

dont call me dumb for that

[surreal zephyr]

BECAUSE THE MODEL HAS TO DECIDE

[verbal nimbus]

Lol

[surreal zephyr]

THATS THE ONYL HARD PART BRO

😭

[verbal nimbus]

Maybe tell Opus not to write custom shaders

[quartz light]

yeah but for noita the focus was for it to look good

[verbal nimbus]

Ig this puts into perspective how good Kimi is

[surreal zephyr]

if it tires something it is too bad to do, then its the model's fault

[verbal nimbus]

since GLM is the next runner up in terms of Chinese open source models

[surreal zephyr]

same focus for water

[verbal nimbus]

Oh wait maybe it was minimax for web dev

[surreal zephyr]

did opus just... FAIL?

[quartz light]

just noticed your username is "ggezrekt"

[surreal zephyr]

js shut ur ragebaiting atp

noone can be this dumb

[quartz light]

you are

[verbal nimbus]

check whether the last file it wrote was cut off

[quartz light]

you used the same prompt again lol

[quartz light]

it isnt

[surreal zephyr]

1 file only, wasnt

[heady jewel]

how do you put images

[quartz light]

because it continued after

[verbal nimbus]

ig it did then

did it try to write custom shaders again

[quartz light]

because look at the prompt he used

[surreal zephyr]

https://019c3ef0-dad9-7b2c-89da-969a244a5dc0.arena.site/

[quartz light]

how are you agreeing with this guy

hes using the same prompt with no mention of low poly

[verbal nimbus]

Oh yeah it tried to write shaders

seems like it messes up whenever it tries to do so

[surreal zephyr]

holy ur so slow

[surreal zephyr]

bad but better than opus 4.6 🥀

[verbal nimbus]

There's an error; it's not rendering

[quartz light]

i know but the prompt asks it to focus on looking GOOD

[surreal zephyr]

💔

[verbal nimbus]

I wonder how other models perform on that prompt btw @surreal zephyr

[surreal zephyr]

THATS THE POINT YES

[surreal zephyr]

bet

[topaz skiff]

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[topaz skiff]

you kidding me

[quartz pike]

soup

[verbal nimbus]

I think GPT might be better

Since it is actually better at WebGL from previous tests

[surreal zephyr]

opus tries to overengineer and fails

[topaz skiff]

opus 4-6 better in most of task and really good at solving problems, but maybe gpt can be better at WebGL

[quartz light]

the problem is opus is going to try doing the most advanced things because it knows

genuinely no idea how to get this to yall

[surreal zephyr]

ops 4.6 tries to overengineer stuff and fails miserably, it sucks in daily use unless you would have other agent controlling it

[surreal zephyr]

it tires, BUT IT DOESNT KNOW HOW TO DO IT, AND FAILS

so its BAD because if it FAILS IN PROD, THEN ITS UNUSABLE

[quartz light]

@verbal nimbus give me the actual prompt used for kimi etc

blocked ampro

[topaz skiff]

it always did better than gpt, gemini for me, i'm trying to use NOT WELL KNOWN collide and slide algorithm, with simple explanation to him, he did everything perfect

way too perfect

[surreal zephyr]

xD

[quartz light]

he wont admit it

just block him

[topaz skiff]

maybe you right

[topaz skiff]

Is this your tests?

[north obsidian]

Try opus 4.6 non thik

[quartz light]

@verbal nimbus give me the actual prompt used for kimi etc

[surreal zephyr]

opus nonthink failed to even load, it crashed.

[north obsidian]

Same prompt

[quartz light]

hes going to use the bad prompt on purpose

[topaz skiff]

give me your prompts and i change them so opus will be best

[verbal nimbus]

^ Gemini might do well on the WebGL test too (see message and scroll down)

[surreal zephyr]

yes all same prompt

[north obsidian]

Hmmm

[surreal zephyr]

literally just realistic animated water, rest belongs to model's choice

[quartz light]

this is such a lie what?

@north obsidian this is straight up just not true

LOL

[topaz skiff]

and tell me your favorite model?

[quartz light]

this is a clear lie

liar

[surreal zephyr]

gemini 3.0 pro on release day pre nerf

[verbal nimbus]

This was Gemini 3 Pro in experimental phase (Lithiumflow)

[surreal zephyr]

now opus 4.5

[quartz light]

ragebaiter ragebaiter ragebaiter ragebaiter ragebaiter ragebaiter ragebaiter

[quartz light]

ragebaiter

[verbal nimbus]

WebGL iirc

it wasn't doing it properly though

none of the models could, it was kind of cheating

GPT was unexpectedly decent too

[quartz light]

are we all going to ignore this obvious lie?

@verbal nimbus

this is straight up not true

he shows the grid of previous results which didn't use that prompt

and says its all the same prompt

[verbal nimbus]

Perhaps Gemini too: #general message

[surreal zephyr]

opus 4.6, custom shaders, after fixing its own bugs

[quartz light]

why are you lying @surreal zephyr

[verbal nimbus]

Wait I'm not following

[surreal zephyr]

@verbal nimbus

[quartz light]

prompt?

prompt?

[verbal nimbus]

Wow

[quartz light]

it is good

yes

[surreal zephyr]

the noita one

[quartz light]

but what about the lowpoly

[verbal nimbus]

I made the grid

[surreal zephyr]

are you slow

[quartz light]

you are

[quartz light]

give me your prompt

used for the grid

[verbal nimbus]

low poly animated water, high performance optimised, for game. using threejs and other needed stuff. realistic colors

[topaz skiff]

ALL WATER IS LOW POLY

[surreal zephyr]

all from the grid used this prompt

[verbal nimbus]

It was @surreal zephyr 's prompt

[quartz light]

(btw he lied that the "noita prompt" was used for all results on the grid)

[surreal zephyr]

NO IT WASNT

[surreal zephyr]

NOITA PROMPT WAS USED FOR THIS

[quartz light]

holy f###ing lies

[verbal nimbus]

2 turns? That's impressive

[quartz light]

im done

[surreal zephyr]

yeah quite good

the colors kinda bad tho

but the waves nice

[verbal nimbus]

I like it

Is it nonthinking?

[surreal zephyr]

storm is bugged

[verbal nimbus]

What the...

That's kinda cool though

[surreal zephyr]

night

[topaz skiff]

stop spamming

[quartz light]

not sure what you mean by this

[verbal nimbus]

What was the prompt again?

[verbal nimbus]

Is this better than GPT-5.2 High?

[surreal zephyr]

create a genuinely incredible truly comprehensive INSANELY BEAUTIFUL 3D water animation as a single html file web project. genuinely incredible. max effort in everything. zero shortcuts etc., then THE SCREEN IS JS BLACK, FIX

[topaz skiff]

Every water you doing in every engine with this waves can't be not low poly.

[heady jewel]

wow

what was the prompt

nvm

[surreal zephyr]

this was the prompt, opus 4.6 nonthink

[quartz light]

does this count as low poly https://api.websim.com/blobs/019c3f00-fa83-73d8-ad6a-5947118a4b09.html

[verbal nimbus]

Do you have the code? Curious what it used

Looks like noise on top of trig functions

[surreal zephyr]

https://019c3ef6-267e-7d35-b9d0-769cbb6a9c34.arena.site/

[quartz light]

check it

@surreal zephyr @verbal nimbus

[surreal zephyr]

yes, looks cool, but the water is not connected with eachother bug

[quartz light]

ye ye

[topaz skiff]

Look

[surreal zephyr]

?

[topaz skiff]

I made prompt as simple as heck

Make realistic animated WebGL water, make water clear reflective and put few cubes different size on water to make ripples and float effect.```

[surreal zephyr]

both crazy good

but reflections tho

but fair enough

[topaz skiff]

first one not, i know how hard is create custom "shader" for water, for ripples

[quartz light]

i think gemini used oceanjs

idk

check

[surreal zephyr]

which ones custom?

[quartz light]

opus

[verbal nimbus]

Pretty decent

[verbal nimbus]

Yeah, but there are gaps between the faces, kinda weird?

[topaz skiff]

both

and gemini tryed to use packages to generate water textures as i saw

[verbal nimbus]

Which model is this btw?

[topaz skiff]

that's why your water was pretty clear

[surreal zephyr]

gpt 5.2 custom shaders fail

[quartz pike]

thats actually... sick.

[surreal zephyr]

so damn bright

[verbal nimbus]

Had a similar gen with the old Kimi K2

[quartz light]

opus nonthinking

but i just used ur prompt

[topaz skiff]

Actually gpt becoming more and more... dumb...?

I really feel like gpt4o is best one, but still not that good

[verbal nimbus]

Oh nonthinking

[verbal nimbus]

Idk how this gen was so good but then it messes up low poly

[surreal zephyr]

neither can do custom shaders well, opus 4.6 and gpt 5.2

[surreal zephyr]

ikr

[quartz light]

gpt 5 is way different from 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3

[topaz skiff]

okay let me make task harder and goal more clear so both models will understand me

i will show results after few min

[surreal zephyr]

hmm

[topaz skiff]

gemini? gpt?

[surreal zephyr]

5.2

5.2 high

custom shaders

[verbal nimbus]

I can kinda see the vision 🤣

[topaz skiff]

now try gpt4o like a joke

you will see difference

its really more smart, just because it don't get that much slop in it, they ruined it, and database is really small

[surreal zephyr]

with reflections and raytracing 🗣️ 🔥

[topaz skiff]

nobody uses it

[surreal zephyr]

i wonder would they manage to do it tho

[topaz skiff]

most of games: screen space reflections (like raycast but only on visible screen), if something reflects from back it will not be visible or really bad

[verbal nimbus]

I like this one so much

[topaz skiff]

this one is kinda simple

too simple

i can see they are almost same

ask about more noise

[surreal zephyr]

opus 4.6 did best imo

[verbal nimbus]

like the waves?

[verbal nimbus]

The colors are a bit weird

[quartz light]

lol what is this https://api.websim.com/blobs/019c3f0a-a2dc-73fa-9fed-d55742e7cb1b.html

[surreal zephyr]

it has custom shaders but colors suck

[heady jewel]

its actually pretty acccurate

[surreal zephyr]

not transparent enough

[heady jewel]

i see

[verbal nimbus]

Some patches of the sea seem too similar to the sky color to me

[topaz skiff]

this one actually bad

[surreal zephyr]

@topaz skiff the 4o version crashes lol

[verbal nimbus]

Lol

[topaz skiff]

oh sorry to hear that, check any random website

[surreal zephyr]

its same one just diff wave setting

[surreal zephyr]

i meant the script it wrote doesnt load

[verbal nimbus]

Yeah no surprise 🤣

[verbal nimbus]

Do you have the code for this one?

[quartz light]

yall try this at these settings https://019c3f06-49dc-782e-b953-6d5e3bd29817.arena.site/

[quartz light]

@verbal nimbus try it

[surreal zephyr]

Honestly

The 5.2 was the most prod ready

Imo

It was good perf, and looked good

[verbal nimbus]

Pretty cool

[surreal zephyr]

Opus did great job on high poly

[topaz skiff]

Not high poly

this is just effect

like huge lie

Your browser will go crazy if it got real procedural topology

[surreal zephyr]

Bad wording, shouldve said "when not told to do low poly"

[surreal zephyr]

How many tri would be high poly then

[topaz skiff]

now ask to add "topology visualizer on n bind"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/banners/719739796687159317/a_77f8057a1c05e3b1a6d861f20211d13a.gif?size=1024&width=0&height=256

[verbal nimbus]

wdym by this

[topaz skiff]

don't ask me

[surreal zephyr]

5.2

[topaz skiff]

Thats not good water

they should have different topology

for waves

Okay so simplify (THIS IS PLANE) we want lowpoly dynamic MESH for waves (i'm not that much programmer to say this correctly and my english sucks)

[topaz skiff]

Still bad, tell him not use one plane but use shaders

[verbal nimbus]

It uses this I think: https://developer.nvidia.com/gpugems/gpugems/part-i-natural-effects/chapter-1-effective-water-simulation-physical-models

[quartz light]

the physics in this are actually kind of cool https://api.websim.com/blobs/019c3f0a-a2dc-73fa-9fed-d55742e7cb1b.html

[verbal nimbus]

Gerstner waves, to give it more steep look

[quartz light]

try storm seas

preset

[surreal zephyr]

best colors + good perf + its not 2d its 3d wym one plane

https://019c3e99-4017-71d3-a56b-120b586a12da.arena.site/ @topaz skiff

[topaz skiff]

Okay so simplify, you see how it's made of cubes (cubes of triangles) and it like one big "cursed" smashed plane

that's just plane, i can't tell better

[quartz light]

HOLY

I THINK THEY FIXED TIMEOUT

[topaz skiff]

what?

[quartz light]

I THINK THEY FIXED TIMEOUT ON ARENA

[topaz skiff]

no way

[quartz light]

4.5 OPUS THINKING WORKED

https://019c3f06-6593-7aa3-b147-c80a90195e0d.arena.site/

CUSTOM

[topaz skiff]

AHAHAHAH bro

4.5 worked always

4-6 not

[verbal nimbus]

Didn't think I'd learn so much about waves today 🤣

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trochoidal_wave#/media/File:Forces_in_Trochoidal_wave.gif

[surreal zephyr]

its made of triangles wym

[topaz skiff]

That's how much you can explain what you want

[topaz skiff]

Do you know polygons?

[verbal nimbus]

Gif not loading

[quartz light]

sorry i meant 4.6

also not true

[surreal zephyr]

i dont understand the issue

[topaz skiff]

I will check it, thanks

[quartz light]

all models time out

its just a time limit

universally

[topaz skiff]

Okay so give me a small moment

[quartz light]

4.6 just thinks more generally

[quartz light]

its beautiful

[surreal zephyr]

both thinking models timed out for me tho

[topaz skiff]

best example i could find, look at left

[quartz light]

LOOK AT THIS

LOOK

[verbal nimbus]

Lol

[quartz light]

WHAT THE HELL

NO NO CHECK IT

WHAT THE HELL CHECK IT

CHECK THE PRESETS

[surreal zephyr]

opus so good 🥀

[quartz light]

WHAT THE HELL THE TRANSITION

[verbal nimbus]

Shaders are cool

[quartz light]

CHECK IT

[stray aspen]

whats that

[quartz light]

THATS STORMY WAVES

DUDE

SERIOUSLY CHECK THE PRESETS ON TOP

https://019c3f06-6593-7aa3-b147-c80a90195e0d.arena.site/

WHAT

[topaz skiff]

people that know nothing, don't deserve to call their vibe code good, it just a tool, not a "make it for me"

[quartz light]

THIS IS INSANE JUST LOOK AT THIS

[north obsidian]

What model

[quartz light]

CHECK THE PRESETS ON TOP

[quartz light]

4.6 THINKING

[north obsidian]

Wow

[topaz skiff]

STOP SPAMMING

MAN

[surreal zephyr]

the floating objects are fake

[quartz light]

?

[surreal zephyr]

chill dude

[verbal nimbus]

Oh yeah it's pretty cool you can click on it to create droplets

[stray aspen]

4.6 is a freak

[surreal zephyr]

they dont float with waves but fake

[quartz light]

check the presets on top

[quartz light]

they are real objects wdym

[fiery gull]

Hi

[surreal zephyr]

they float in air xD

but the water look good

[quartz light]

what?

they work for me

[verbal nimbus]

Yeah I like how the sun movements are animated when you change the time

Very cool

Makes me want to get into shaders

[surreal zephyr]

the water looks crazy good tho

[quartz light]

stormy ocean into moonlit night is crazy

[surreal zephyr]

show source & prompt, also how many prompts it took?

[verbal nimbus]

Yeah

[topaz skiff]

Actually i think they really got thinking 4-6 updated

[surreal zephyr]

crazy good

ok this one is the winner

[topaz skiff]

stop glazing

[topaz skiff]

...

[verbal nimbus]

Which model was it again?

[surreal zephyr]

opus 4.6 iirc

ask @quartz light

[north obsidian]

Which prompt

[surreal zephyr]

custom shaders or no?
show source

[heady jewel]

how is this realistic and the previous one isn't

[surreal zephyr]

its the same wym

[verbal nimbus]

Do you have the code?

[heady jewel]

the other one was way better

[surreal zephyr]

which one

[heady jewel]

this

[surreal zephyr]

the water on this one looks awful

tbh

[surreal zephyr]

this one looks more game ready

[surreal zephyr]

the colors & reflections

[heady jewel]

how

[heady jewel]

yes thats what makes it good

[surreal zephyr]

water is partially transparent and doesnt bounce light like sheet of steel

[heady jewel]

im going to ask gpt-5.3 to make one

[heady jewel]

that one looks like blue mountains that are moving

has no realisitc effects

[surreal zephyr]

still better than overengineering and failing

[quartz light]

opus 4.6 nonthinking

opus 4.6 opus 4.6 opus 4.6 opus 4.6 opus 4.6 opus 4.6 opus 4.6 opus 4.6

thats opus 4.6

opus 4.6 that is

[topaz skiff]

this is gemini 1

[topaz skiff]

are you still alive?

[surreal zephyr]

lets see

5.3 codex high paid sub

[verbal nimbus]

Btw WebGPU is the successor of WebGL

[topaz skiff]

intresting you liked my simple prompt

[surreal zephyr]

i wanted to test same prompt for fairness

[topaz skiff]

okay

[surreal zephyr]

but the prompt quite good tho

[obsidian cargo]

"be seniour [sic] programmer, use best practices."
"DO NOT HALLUCINATE DO NOT ADD BUGS DO NOT HALLUCINATE DO NOT ADD BUGS DO NOT HALLUCINATE"

[surreal zephyr]

my experience with gemini 3:

5.3 better cook i spent 20$ on ts

🙏

[topaz skiff]

tell me what you made acutally good with AI

(not simple experiments)

[topaz skiff]

And this

[verbal nimbus]

I wasn't specific enough with my prompt and got this with Gemini 3 Pro:

[north obsidian]

Worst

Joke

[topaz skiff]

What is it

[surreal zephyr]

game

[heady jewel]

GPT 5.3 Very High Intelligence mode

[verbal nimbus]

Uh I don't really know what GPT-5.2 High made but I won't blame it since my prompt wasn't specific enough

[surreal zephyr]

ok so 5.3 codex first impressions

ts is slower than 5.2 by far

😭

[heady jewel]

5.3 codex wins

by a landslide

whatever its called

[topaz skiff]

nah

[heady jewel]

how

this looks the most similar to an ocean

[topaz skiff]

I made this with one prompt

Oh forgo

Not i made it, AI made it with one simple prompt

[surreal zephyr]

codex 5.3 🥀

[verbal nimbus]

lol

[heady jewel]

are we using the same codex 5.3?

look at mine

[verbal nimbus]

Kimi kind of glitched

[surreal zephyr]

show

[heady jewel]

scrol up

[surreal zephyr]

W codex

[surreal zephyr]

im using paid codex 5.3 in cli

[verbal nimbus]

Gemini 3 Pro

[surreal zephyr]

with @topaz skiff 's prompt

[quartz light]

btw false alarm

they didnt fix timeout

of course they didnt

[surreal zephyr]

e

hell yeah, one thing opus didnt care about

@verbal nimbus @topaz skiff

[quartz light]

what

it worked in the opus demo tho

[surreal zephyr]

lets try this

(all models failed miserably so far)

[verbal nimbus]

What's this supposed to do

[surreal zephyr]

tank tracks physics

tracks that deform on terrain

[verbal nimbus]

Oh that sounds complicated

Deform how

[surreal zephyr]

its not THAT complicated, but it requires understanding 3d axles and movement

[surreal zephyr]

like this

[verbal nimbus]

Is that called deformation or just suspension

[surreal zephyr]

yes suspension but connected with track's

[verbal nimbus]

Looks not that difficult with a physics library 🤔

[surreal zephyr]

well all models i tested so far failed such as tracks detached from hull, or sideways, or not deforming at all

[verbal nimbus]

Oh the tracks might make it complicated

Sounds like a SIGGRAPH paper

[surreal zephyr]

ok this is best

[north obsidian]

Which one

[surreal zephyr]

holy this is peak

[surreal zephyr]

5.3 codex paid via cli

[north obsidian]

Wow

[surreal zephyr]

its the only one that managed to get it to work

[verbal nimbus]

What model?

[surreal zephyr]

5.3 codex

nailed it

none other managed to do it without any bugs

codex 5.3 one shotted it

🔥

[verbal nimbus]

Reminds me of the game Bad Piggies from 2010-ish

Looks like a mod

[surreal zephyr]

yea thats a mod

[topaz skiff]

Seems like code mode got autistic system prompt

[surreal zephyr]

hmm

it changes dynamically tho

[verbal nimbus]

Maybe get it to create a 2D physics toolbox where you can construct it yourself

[surreal zephyr]

FAR closer to real than opus and 5.2

[surreal zephyr]

its getting really close tbh

im js sending it screenshots and checking what it does

[verbal nimbus]

Idk it knows where to put the springs

[surreal zephyr]

jeez i asked it for abrams

[verbal nimbus]

Something like this but editable: https://www.myphysicslab.com/engine2D/car-suspension-en.html

[topaz skiff]

wdym

[surreal zephyr]

the track isnt solid, on terrain it bends

opus made solid and bugged track every time

OMG

@topaz skiff @verbal nimbus

singularity bro

[verbal nimbus]

Maybe get it to draw where the springs and joints actually are

[quartz light]

i remember i shat my pants while playing it as a kid

[surreal zephyr]

gpt 5.2 btw

[verbal nimbus]

I loved those types of games

[quartz light]

i still remember

btw this is deadass

(diarrhea)

[quartz light]

sandbox games r one of my favourite

[surreal zephyr]

opus 4.6 made tank but not physics

[quartz light]

5.2 codex sucks 5.2 high is way better

[verbal nimbus]

Yeah Microsoft Flight Sim was one of my favs

[verbal nimbus]

Wow

[surreal zephyr]

im using 5.3 codex brotato chip

and it made something NOTHING ELSE could

[quartz light]

i know

[surreal zephyr]

which is crazy

[quartz light]

wait for 5.3 normal

itll be better than codex

[surreal zephyr]

🙏

[quartz light]

codex is basically just the normal model but nerfed

i think u can agree

[surreal zephyr]

codex is normal but less creative more prompt adhering

so worse most times

but more trustworthy

[quartz light]

ye

uh

idk

[shrewd citrus]

im jus waiting for ai to make good models on blender or whatever

like when that happens game devs are truly cooked

[honest verge]

Grok 4.20 is not real

[heady jewel]

not at all

you guys have clearly never used codex 5.3 very high

the one with the big brain icon

[quartz light]

no

[quartz light]

???

blud

[heady jewel]

there's medium, high and very high

[quartz light]

gpt 5.3 normal isnt even out

youll see

[quartz light]

we know

wait for 5.3 xhigh

[shrewd citrus]

wait I deadass didn’t even realise it could make models 💀

[modest prism]

what are some third party websites that has free credit for Nano Banana pro.

[honest verge]

Codex 5.3 is rushed

[heady jewel]

what? that has nothing to do with coding

[honest verge]

I think

[heady jewel]

they just give personality updates thats all

[quartz light]

it does

[shrewd citrus]

yeah heard one called job.com

[quartz light]

it really does

[heady jewel]

they dont increase intelligence

[honest verge]

NAAAH

[quartz light]

dude

[modest prism]

Thank you

[honest verge]

I DON'T NEED THIS

[quartz light]

compare 5.2 xhigh vs 5.2 codex

youll see

stop yapping

[honest verge]

Xhigh is better

[gleaming roost]

[quartz light]

yes

exactly

[heady jewel]

codex is better

[shrewd citrus]

im joking lol but ill send an actual website in dms

[heady jewel]

i did try it

[quartz light]

TEHN COMPARE THE TWO

then*

just compare them

dont use chatgpt.com

[heady jewel]

why not

[quartz light]

use api or some ide which has it

[honest verge]

Xhigh is just pure cinema for me

Probably best gpt model

[quartz light]

the models on the website are much worse

been proven

[heady jewel]

what

[quartz light]

but ye test it

[surreal zephyr]

High>xhigh

[heady jewel]

hows that eveen possible

[surreal zephyr]

Also bro

[honest verge]

No

[surreal zephyr]

Codex 5.3

I fell in love

[surreal zephyr]

Xhigh gets compressed during thinking so it sucks

[quartz light]

lower thinking limits

and other factors

[surreal zephyr]

Ok but 5.3 codex is so peak

[quartz light]

btw theres a windows and linux port for the codex app if ur interested

[surreal zephyr]

Im using cli

Is app better?

[quartz light]

try this https://github.com/Haleclipse/CodexDesktop-Rebuild

[topaz skiff]

How cli can be different from app

[surreal zephyr]

Gotta ask codex to port itself 🥀

[honest verge]

Xhigh

Xhigh is better

Deal with it

[surreal zephyr]

Antigravity vs gemini cli.
Cli is way better

[surreal zephyr]

High gets notably better bench score

Deal w it

[quartz light]

where

[north obsidian]

After all this who is the winner?

[surreal zephyr]

https://www.reddit.com/r/codex/comments/1qpi2wm/yall_were_right_high_xhigh/

[quartz light]

idk ab that

thats 1 bench

[surreal zephyr]

Xhigh gets compressed

During work

And eats your quota faster

High is better overall unless you rich api user

[verbal nimbus]

xhigh hallucinates more:

[surreal zephyr]

Thats why high is peak

[topaz skiff]

Uhhh really looks awful

[honest verge]

Mistral large is better

It's better than gpt codex

Gemini

[shrewd citrus]

that has to be the worst looking chart I’ve seen

[honest verge]

Claude

[shrewd citrus]

like Claude is at 48%

[verbal nimbus]

4.5 hallucinates more than 4

[shrewd citrus]

Then deepseek at 82% is almost double but the actual shape is barely bigger lol

[verbal nimbus]

But 4 isn't on the chart

[honest verge]

Mistral is 84%

[surreal zephyr]

U havent seen gpt 5.3 codex

[honest verge]

Mistral no diff

Mistral will save us all

[surreal zephyr]

Get it to make 3d tanks suspension with proper animations

[verbal nimbus]

The lower the better btw

[topaz skiff]

This means you need send request 3-4 times before good answer
But this doesn't mean it is stupid

https://tenor.com/view/buy-native-gif-6461034452803673325

[surreal zephyr]

OH LOL I JS NOTICED

MISTRAL

🤣

[honest verge]

It's so good it peaks in this bench

[verbal nimbus]

Mistral isn't actually the worse, Gemini is much worse

It's off the chart

[surreal zephyr]

💔

Gemini is actually usable

[honest verge]

Mistral will save us all

MISTRAL

[surreal zephyr]

It does the work sometimes

[topaz skiff]

more = worse

[surreal zephyr]

Gemini is like phd engineer high on cocaine and with dementia

[topaz skiff]

he got lobotomized

[surreal zephyr]

Hallucinations = creativity trust

[north obsidian]

Mistral doesn't have hallucinations in chat, it has chat in hallucinations

[surreal zephyr]

🥀

[topaz skiff]

NO

[honest verge]

No

[topaz skiff]

DON'T SAY THIS

[north obsidian]

Yeah lol

[honest verge]

More = better

[north obsidian]

Always

[topaz skiff]

Awful...

[surreal zephyr]

My mistral said it solved rheinmanns theorem

🔥 🔥 🔥

[topaz skiff]

You guys thinking about "temperature", but hallucinations make code not working, make stupid mistakes, or provide false info

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[surreal zephyr]

Gpt would never

[surreal zephyr]

We are joking 💔

[topaz skiff]

they all sucks

[honest verge]

Mistral temperature is ∞

[topaz skiff]

impressive but not more

[honest verge]

Ig

[surreal zephyr]

Bro show me opus doing animated tank suspension physics

Like this

[honest verge]

Only mistral can do this

That's why he's the goat

[verbal nimbus]

Here's a more complete chart (lower is better):

[topaz skiff]

oh wow 93%

[honest verge]

Gpt oss?

[verbal nimbus]

That's the open source GPT model, not the one on ChatGPT

[topaz skiff]

loss

[honest verge]

Lol

[north obsidian]

Lol mistral is useful in this graphs

[honest verge]

Oai can't even make open source models

Like it hallucinates all the time

[verbal nimbus]

Kimi K2.5 seems to have improved from K2

[surreal zephyr]

Gpt oss ❤️‍🩹

[verbal nimbus]

Surprising how the newer models like Opus 4.6 and GPT 5.2 Codex xhigh are actually worse than their predecessors

[honest verge]

Glm 4.7?

[surreal zephyr]

Theres no way gemini 3 flash is this bad

[honest verge]

Why

I thought it's peak

[surreal zephyr]

They got ego boost duh

[verbal nimbus]

It is when it comes to hallucinations

Gemini Pro too

[surreal zephyr]

Their sys prompt says "state of art" models

[honest verge]

Mistral is the actual state of the art

[verbal nimbus]

If you forget to attach something, sometimes Gemini Pro would make the attachment up, so you gotta be careful

[honest verge]

I'm glazing mistral so much

[surreal zephyr]

Gemini 3 is like phd with dementia
Mistral is js crack addict 💔

[surreal zephyr]

"SOMETIMES" 🤣 🤣 🤣

Always*

Sometimes it makes the attachment up EVEN IF ITS ATTACHED cuz its too lazy to read it

💔 💔

[honest verge]

Mistral 4 large will score 100%

[surreal zephyr]

Worse than GTP 2.1 mimi

Gtp 2.1 mimi on top

[verbal nimbus]

Uhh... Gemini 3 Pro (click play)

[surreal zephyr]

100 input tokens 3 output tokens

🔥 🔥

[surreal zephyr]

Ts not even 3d

Give prompt tho

[honest verge]

Ai sucks at physics