general

[torn mantle]

lol i missed a lot of new models

do u think its pro checkpoint?

[zealous sparrow]

we confirmed a few

not sure if you have cogilux on this list but its longcat

jakiro remains unknown

and dec chatbot 3 is obvious

[zealous sparrow]

usually google models quickly come to codearena

[torn mantle]

thats true

let me see if i get it

[zealous sparrow]

are you able to check if neo nucleus has code modality

[celest orchid]

WWWWWWW UPDATE

[ocean bison]

L update 😂😂😂

[celest orchid]

Why??

[ocean bison]

I don't get the video button on LMArena

[torn mantle]

its more of a board usage

[ocean bison]

LIKE THE DAMN VIDEO GENERATION BUTTON!

[celest orchid]

I'm get

[torn mantle]

although there are issue in lmarena using text -> image model

you cant do that in lmarena

[zealous sparrow]

is there a code modality for neo nucleus

[celest orchid]

Who have video generation button?

[ocean bison]

Not myself 😂😂

[zealous sparrow]

lucky lark is claiming to be claude

valid

[torn mantle]

no

text only

[celest orchid]

Restart site

Refresh

[zealous sparrow]

prob not google, unless they add it soon

[torn mantle]

yea

[zealous sparrow]

fiercefalcon didnt appear on stealth with code modality, but they added it a few days later

[celest orchid]

When Lmarena added video generation?

On the site

[ocean bison]

I still didn't see Video Mode button.

I see Image Mode button.

[zealous sparrow]

its still experimental

[torn mantle]

what about kernel sense

[celest orchid]

Why not all get this button

[zealous sparrow]

unsure

[zealous sparrow]

they still testing

[torn mantle]

its so slow tho

[zealous sparrow]

they look identical, sonnet gen perhaps?

[torn mantle]

i dont think they look similar tbh

kernel sense added rain animation

[zealous sparrow]

UI wise rather

[torn mantle]

hmm

let me try again

[ocean bison]

Can I add o4-mini-image which is a workflow of o4-mini then GPT-Image-1 on your extension?

@torn mantle

[torn mantle]

i need to bypass lmarena restrictions as you can only use text or image models seperately in a chat session

i will see what i can do

[zealous sparrow]

gemini likes doing glassmorphism stuff

[torn mantle]

yea

[zealous sparrow]

are we deadass gang

wrote me 450 lines of code if you are wondering

[zealous sparrow]

https://codepen.io/qdpuzepc-the-styleful/pen/LEZPOPm
this requires an openweathermap api key

[torn mantle]

yea a lot of models do that

[zealous sparrow]

ima test the accuracy

[ocean bison]

Did you do it?

[zealous sparrow]

it is accurate

it uses the API properly

No animation for thunder, which i wanted to check but theres one for rain

[ocean bison]

Can the AI do that?

[zealous sparrow]

do what

[ocean bison]

The thunder animation.

😂

[dusk venture]

does anyone know how to generate videos on the lmarena website it gave me the option to make a video but then it asked me to sign up and then after that it disappeared

[zealous sparrow]

it's account based and experimental rn

[dusk venture]

oh ok

[ocean bison]

There's no Video Mode button for me 😂

[dusk venture]

i had but after i typed a prompt it made me sign up and then it was gone

[ocean bison]

I'm not a guest!

😂

[zealous sparrow]

jakiro might be grok

the only AIs that take this steg for a jailbreak is grok

@torn mantle

[pallid field]

None of the image generating models working for me.
How about you guys?

[hasty thorn]

Remove the CAPTCHA right now, no more security checks

[torn mantle]

did you?

lol

😭

[zealous sparrow]

the captcha triggers because you reuse the prompt too much

[ocean bison]

I asked if you did it.

[torn mantle]

well you said you will do it yourself

[ocean bison]

Then the model doesn't do how I wanted.

It tells a magic button that calls GPT-4o mini to refine the prompt 😂

Not o4-mini.

[torn mantle]

lol

[ocean bison]

And not like adding a model to the list that calls both models.

@torn mantle 😂

[weary galleon]

Interesting 🤔

[torn mantle]

ive done it with text to text models

i will try to see if its possible with image model

@ocean bison give me an example of what you want

i will try now with your workflow

[ocean bison]

Like a Minecraft Kai poster?

I attached how the character should look like.

[torn mantle]

o4 mini to image

[ocean bison]

This one.

[torn mantle]

what are you trying to do

im so lost

i dont know anymore tbh

lmao

[ocean bison]

Just use this.

It's from Minecraft Wiki.

Oops, my bad

I was trying to say: ||It's by Mojang themselves||

@torn mantle

Then do this: "Kai dyes his Minecraft room and then he sleeps in his bed."

In the workflow.

[glossy umbra]

since when could you create videos on lmarena?

[ocean bison]

Chat, are you active?

Read my messages!

[ocean bison]

I don't see a "Video Mode" button LOL 😂😂😂🤣

[weary galleon]

This image is generated via Nano Banana Pro 🍌

[glossy umbra]

I swear not

[boreal saddle]

For me it triggers on every message. Zero exception.

I hate that purple shield icon popup so much.

[ocean bison]

It's a real image.

[ocean bison]

Me too 😂

[boreal saddle]

Wish I had a digital hammer to shatter it with so that I can actually use the damn website.

[weary galleon]

Yeah, I see 👍

[torn mantle]

you lost me there

i didnt understand a thing

[ocean bison]

I don't see the Video Mode button 😂😂

[glossy umbra]

Ragebait

[ocean bison]

I only see Image Mode, Search and Code.

[weary galleon]

This guy lies. Image is created by Nano Banana Pro 🍌 How do I know that? Look this.

[frank spruce]

Hey.

[hoary prawn]

hello

[ocean bison]

More like taking a real screenshot and feeding in Nano Banana Pro.

If you zoom it, you can see that's AI.

[weary galleon]

What do you mean?

[hoary prawn]

yeh

[hoary prawn]

he means when you send the image to the gemini inide the gemini chat and ask for an edit or something else

then the gemini logo come up

[ocean bison]

The screenshot that @glossy umbra posted isn't by Nano Banana Pro.

It's just when you visit on LMArena, @glossy umbra saw the Video Mode button.

I still didn't see the Video Mode button.

On the UI.

[weary galleon]

He didn't mean that.

[hoary prawn]

hey i my lm arena there i no video generate button

[ocean bison]

Me too 😂

[hoary prawn]

yah

how did h get it

[ocean bison]

It's saying that the feature is "experimental" and "account-based"

[hoary prawn]

oh!

[weary galleon]

Someone lies here via fake images!

[glossy umbra]

master ragebaiter

[ocean bison]

Ragebait

[weary galleon]

Why do you fool us? For what? How Gemini watermark got on your "screenshot"?

[glossy umbra]

I wonder how

[weary galleon]

Maybe because this image was generated on Gemini website?

[ocean bison]

This is ragebait and you sent the real screenshot by @glossy umbra in Nano Banana Pro.

The real screenshot never has any AI details.

[keen beacon]

People are living in a fantasy world…

[glossy umbra]

in other words people are idiots

[weary galleon]

I didn't! I added it via Photoshop, not Banana!!!!!!!!!

[keen beacon]

Well, now that you mentioned it, I’m curious what isn’t it idiot? By definition, I mean.

[glossy umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-403140411062093680

[keen beacon]

Sandy u r a rage baiter and it’s not even low-key lol

Cmon fam keep it real

[ocean bison]

Correct ✅

[weary galleon]

No, I'm not.

[keen beacon]

I believe that you believe you’re not

You could be just very passionate and espresso about your unhappy and frustrated outlook with open AI and scam Altman

And there’s nothing wrong with being opinionated

But I gotta keep it real with u G

[weary galleon]

I'm unbiased about OpenAI and Scam Altman.

[keen beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-bear-trap-punch-hit-gif-11716292

[keen beacon]

I actually prefer bias

I can relate to bias I cannot relate to no bias because that’s a very non-human expression or a lie, intention or not intentional, subconscious or conscious

[weary galleon]

I don't

[keen beacon]

Now we’re playing Jedi Mind Tricks so I’m just gonna take your word for it and take you at your face value

But remember, you only get a first impression only once

And that gets engraved in peoples opinion of you and I would hate that people would have the wrong opinion about someone so passionate about their thoughts and opinions

[weary galleon]

And it is good impression

[ocean bison]

More like:

[weary galleon]

Disinformation!

[keen beacon]

You know it’s beautiful about being real bro

https://tenor.com/view/real-recognize-real-kevin-hart-laugh-out-loud-cold-as-balls-dont-be-fake-gif-17723765

It’s a worldwide movement, even the blind in the def can see hear and feel real

[hoary prawn]

can anyon tell which is the best model in backend

[weary galleon]

Opus 4.5

[hoary prawn]

yeh but of codx

[ocean bison]

There's no Video Mode button for me!

😂

[keen beacon]

That does seem to be the developers choice is opus

Wait, you could add backends to codex.,?

[hoary prawn]

no

[weary galleon]

You can always add it via Banana. What's the problem?

[hoary prawn]

gpt 5.1 codex

[keen beacon]

I’m just gonna step back cause I’m a little confused here

[weary galleon]

👋

[ocean bison]

You're just ragebaiting 😂

I want to test like Kling 2.6 Pro and Sora 2 Pro (Sora 2 Pro is the only model that does 25-second generations)

[keen beacon]

Kling does 25 sec?

[hoary prawn]

25 second with kling ?

[keen beacon]

By extending?

Or single shot ?

[ocean bison]

No, Sora 2 Pro does 25 seconds.

[weary galleon]

I wanna become an owner of AMD.

[ocean bison]

Kling 2.6 Pro does 10 seconds at maximum!

Per clip.

[keen beacon]

Are you able to extend those clips also?

Like the ad five second thing?

[ocean bison]

IDK 😂

I edited to clarify!

[keen beacon]

I’m curious to know if the 5-10 sec clips are just ideal technically without creating too many hallucinations in the video or if it’s just more economically lucrative to keep it at this level and just get volume so people generate more and you make more revenue

[ocean bison]

Where did @echo aurora add the Video Mode button on my account??

I still didn't see it!

[weary galleon]

Don't pin admins with no reason.

[keen beacon]

Oh lord don’t be that guy lol

[ocean bison]

Look, there's no Video Mode button.

😂😂

[keen beacon]

Nobody likes a squeal

There’s already some dedicated soldiers in here

Ready to report at a whim’s notice

People love to do it gives them a sense of validation and many times their judgment is correct about the reporting but often times this also creates the scenario where quick to report doesn’t give a person a second chance or perhaps a person didn’t understand the rules fully or perhaps, even trying to share a complex idea that’s a taboo amongst users.

We humans have a natural tendency to build hierarchy in the natural world and so forth we bring the same behavior online, but it’s extremely difficult to do on discord because of the way it structured and it’s hierarchical social order is through the power of the mods

[torn mantle]

@ocean bison

its working

[keen beacon]

Out of hundreds of thousands of users, it is only a small population and a portion that’s actively interacting and engaging

The rest of the 95% lurk without even saying a word

[torn mantle]

ive used gemini flash but you can use any reasoning model

[keen beacon]

That’s looking good. I wanna do some more test when you’re all done.

[weary galleon]

It's clearly that this image is AI generated!!!!!!!!!

[torn mantle]

i just gave it this prompt

and it improved that + generate an image

[keen beacon]

But that improve image generation what is that based off of like what improvement were exactly what is improving is what I mean

Is it just random?

[torn mantle]

no

[keen beacon]

OK, say I have these two images

How can I improve them?

[torn mantle]

ive used gemini 3 flash + custom prompt to improve it

you can use your custom prompts + custom models

[weary galleon]

It improved your prompt, not image generation!

[torn mantle]

its like a workflow

[torn mantle]

duh

[ocean bison]

I want to make o4-mini Image by combining o4-mini and GPT-Image-1!

[torn mantle]

this is turning out better than expected ngl

[torn mantle]

give me prompt

i will test it

[ocean bison]

And "Kai dyes his Minecraft room and then he sleeps in his bed."

I grabbed from Minecraft Wiki, which by turn is by Mojang themselves.

[torn mantle]

i dont have upload image enabled lol

you are asking for too much

xdd

[ocean bison]

But o4-mini does support images and GPT-Image-1 does support image editing too.

@torn mantle

[torn mantle]

yea but im using a custom script

[ocean bison]

Like reasoning on the images and the prompt at the same time?

[torn mantle]

i need to add that into the parameters

let me see

ah too much work

but let me try

[keen beacon]

Based on the structure provided in your second image, here is a prompt breakdown for the anime-style parrot illustration:
Prompt Breakdown

• Format:
  A high-quality Studio Ghibli-inspired anime illustration with vibrant colors, clean line art, and soft, painterly textures.
• Theme/Reference:
  Tropical adventure aesthetic reminiscent of 90s fantasy adventure films. The mood is bright, cinematic, and slightly mysterious.
• Subject/Request:
  A close-up of a Scarlet Macaw parrot with bright red, yellow, and blue feathers. The bird has a highly expressive, large eye with a detailed green iris reflecting the landscape. Its beak is slightly parted as if speaking or squawking.
• Framing:
  Extreme close-up (ECU) profile view from a high vantage point. The background features a lush jungle coastline with a turquoise cove, a distant waterfall, and ancient stone totems or ruins.
  Would you like me to use this structure to generate a new variation of this image for you?

Ok so look

{
"action": "image_generation",
"action_input": "{'prompt': 'A high-quality Studio Ghibli-inspired anime illustration with vibrant colors, clean line art, and soft, painterly textures. Tropical adventure aesthetic reminiscent of 90s fantasy adventure films. The mood is bright, cinematic, and slightly mysterious. A close-up profile view of a Scarlet Macaw parrot with bright red, yellow, and blue feathers. The bird has a highly expressive, large eye with a detailed green iris reflecting the landscape. Its beak is slightly parted as if speaking. Extreme close-up from a high vantage point. The background features a lush jungle coastline with a turquoise cove, a distant waterfall, and ancient stone totems or ruins.'}"
}

But

[austere kiln]

Captcha for every prompt, no matter what prompt or what browser. The same issue persists when using VPN.

[ocean bison]

Did you send the result?

[keen beacon]

Let’s see if I can get the same image using only five tokens

[torn mantle]

what result

this is hard to implement

wait

[ocean bison]

Good idea!

[keen beacon]

Using the screenshot of this, I was able to condense it into five tokens

Since the image itself is just OCR

[ocean bison]

So true! ✅

[ocean bison]

Did you sent the generated image of my idea? @torn mantle

[torn mantle]

stop

i will send it when im finished

lol

[keen beacon]

I’ve seen this before I had these debates I believe in the same ideas before

This is really one of those things it’s really hard to automate

Context will always surpass semantics in the prompt

So how could you enhance this image and get the mouth to close of the shark with the person still inside?

Here is another example that you’re gonna run into trouble with and this is a more far extreme example but the point is still here

And I’m gonna race this in a second I’m just trying to make a point

No model is gonna describe to you these features

And so it’s hard to do that with automation and have control

Because even if you ask the model to give you the prompt, I guarantee you the prompt I have is way shorter and more detailed

Less = more

[soft goblet]

Anyone else can't log in on the website rn?

When I try to log on with Google it redirects me to the log in site from Google. After I completed the steps it redirect me back to Lmarena but I'm not logged in

[keen beacon]

Somebody was saying they had a problem earlier today.

Have you tried clearing your browser data ?

[soft goblet]

Yep

Also cookies

[keen beacon]

Have you tried a different browser? Also, I’m assuming?

I was gonna sound crazy, but have you tried resetting your ISP modem?

[soft goblet]

And I randomly see features I've never seen before and then they dissappear

[soft goblet]

No

I did not tbh

[keen beacon]

Are you using chrome or

[soft goblet]

Yep

[keen beacon]

Try the DuckDuckGo browser

[soft goblet]

Okay

Ty

[keen beacon]

I have absolutely zero issues using it. Hopefully it works for you also.

[soft goblet]

Hopefully

I can log in noe

Now*

[keen beacon]

Kool

[soft goblet]

But I cannot use the video function

On chrome it's shown

[keen beacon]

Video option..?

[soft goblet]

Yes

[keen beacon]

I don’t know what option you’re talking about not familiar with it

[soft goblet]

Look at the chat bar

I can select video models there but cannot generate because it prompts me to log in and them my issue happens

[keen beacon]

Oh wow

I never knew that was there

[soft goblet]

I think it isn't supposed to be there

[keen beacon]

Is that only to chrome?

[soft goblet]

Yes

[keen beacon]

Werid

So what you were able to generate videos using that feature? And I have to use the discord?

[soft goblet]

No not possible

[soft goblet]

.

[quiet skiff]

Captcha 🤬🤯

[native yarrow]

bro i lowkey have not had the video option EVER 😭

[keen beacon]

Same

[soft goblet]

me neither. I got it like 20 mins ago

[keen beacon]

And I hardly run into captchas ethier lol

[soft goblet]

And I can't use it lol

Same

Video bot takes forever

[native yarrow]

lmarena needs to add friggin videos already brah.,,,

[keen beacon]

It’s cause video generation isn’t exclusive anymore

[keen beacon]

Now that more computers are pushing it out as well as many different companies

[timber salmon]

how can i pay to chat longer im so satisfied with claude coding html file

[soft goblet]

Maybe you cna generate mj with sora lol

Can

Without moderation errors

[keen beacon]

Highly unlikely

But it definitely is a possibility

[soft goblet]

I mean I get it to work on sora too

[keen beacon]

They really, really really buckle down in the last few days really hard

[keen beacon]

When was this made?

[soft goblet]

Yesterday

[keen beacon]

Hmmm

[late bluff]

How do you have the menu? I don't have it

[soft goblet]

Idkkk man😭

[soft goblet]

With the right prompts it works

[keen beacon]

Ya

Everything I’ve been doing has been getting blocked hard

Like really hard but then again, I’m only trying two things so I can’t say I really experimented fully

It seems like they blocked adolf for me

All my prompts every single last one completely gutted

[soft goblet]

Use
A person who vaguely resembles the German leader but is clearly not him

[keen beacon]

Well, I was able to generate the movie scene actually lol

[soft goblet]

I got him too

[keen beacon]

Yeah, I had full control. Sucks losing it.

[soft goblet]

Guys

The video option is gone now

[keen beacon]

You know he’s the key to unlock other characters and content and sora

Dbz

Sonic

[thorny schooner]

☠️

[late bluff]

How did you bypass

[keen beacon]

Dragon ball

[late bluff]

How?

[keen beacon]

Using him a jump

Pokémon

[late bluff]

??

[keen beacon]

I don’t know. I’ve been trying to figure out what exactly causes him to be able to unlock all these other character.

It’s like if he gets bypassed in the actual filter, it opens up the floodgates to other content for some reason

[soft goblet]

Crazy 😭

[keen beacon]

So I piggyback off him

[soft goblet]

How?

[keen beacon]

I mean, they really show me down in the last few days everything nothing’s working no more

[soft goblet]

I get you. Try making a new account

[keen beacon]

But then again, I generated so much content

[soft goblet]

Do you use the app?

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/vvIQRegPDNc?si=JlzCI2IAUK165pFz

Look at this

This is 10 minutes of just the scrap videos

Not even the good stuff

See this is from the actual movie scene

And he’s talking about the Google API I don’t know if you guys are familiar with the movie downfall

[soft goblet]

Wdym?

[keen beacon]

See if the same scene from the movie

I got really lucky I took full advantage

[soft goblet]

The voice on the first one is crazy accurate

[keen beacon]

I have so much I have like I don’t know dozens of videos

[keen beacon]

But I don’t know I don’t know what happened. They changed it.

[soft goblet]

From the days where it was possible

[keen beacon]

Yeah, that’s a really good one right there dude, that’s like 100%

I don’t know. I never really played around in that golden days.

[soft goblet]

This was 1 week ago

That's actually crazy

[keen beacon]

Man, I’m telling you that is crazy

It’s crazy they have this technology and you can’t use it

[soft goblet]

Yk what I generated rn

[keen beacon]

Check this out this was the first kind of a little trailer I did before I knew what I was doing

These were my two original first ideas

Because I knew I only had a little bit of time before they banned

[soft goblet]

Why did bro generate so many videos of Adolf 😭😭

[thorny schooner]

🥲

[keen beacon]

I got greedy

U no y

[soft goblet]

lmao

[keen beacon]

Look at the view count

[thorny schooner]

What did you even use to make them

[keen beacon]

Stupid amount of views

Sora

And to be honest with you guys, there’s somebody I met this year and he was like a really right wing person like pro-fascist or whatever and I don’t wanna get political or anything, but I just found it kind of odd

[ocean bison]

I can't see the Video Mode button!

[soft goblet]

Michael Jackson with him😭

[keen beacon]

And I thought what better way to disarm by completely just poking fun of the man

And making him look as Ludacris as possible

And actually, the more I read about him and his personality

It’s actually very comedic in the sense that he was somebody that woke up late in the day stayed up all night was a vegetarian and just had all these quirks and weird personality characteristics

I’ve always been a fan of history comedy

[soft goblet]

Yes

Lol

[keen beacon]

But I found the most interesting fact about him is that

People who met him in real life, never considered him to be sharp or like intelligent they always consider him dull

I always found this contrast very fascinating

[thorny schooner]

Out of curiosity what do you guys think of this it's a custom flag I made for a fictional country I made

[keen beacon]

That looks like something that could be on Warhammer

[thorny schooner]

😓 i hope that in a good way but fair enough

[keen beacon]

Well, what does it mean?

Looks like the symbol from Star Wars Sith

I think in current pop culture in the west I think the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has taken on this comedic role

As well as our own president here in the states

[ocean bison]

Where's the Video Mode button? I don't have it!

[keen beacon]

🤣🤣🤣

[ocean bison]

😂

[keen beacon]

😭

My least favorite

Since they took away my ability to generate characters, all I could generate now is just semi nSFW content

[keen beacon]

You gave me hope though

If you were able to generate Jackson

I got Goku the other day

[thorny schooner]

This is what I managed to make base on a original character

[keen beacon]

What is that from? That’s pretty sick

[thorny schooner]

Not anywhere really actually it was made from a description of a character that I originally made

[keen beacon]

I’m a big fan of World War II in general, especially that. In time.

It was before the nuclear age and before we had crazy at technology like missiles

So warfare was somewhat traditional in that sense

[late bluff]

But really how to get the video menu. Is it only for US

[soft goblet]

I ain't got it anymore

[ocean bison]

VPN?

[keen beacon]

They want all the people getting off the discord lol

[thorny schooner]

Shame I can't do videos since I had quotes of his

[keen beacon]

And just generate it in the arena

Why can’t you?

Open AI just recently changed their policy

You could upload characters and people now as long as they’re your own or you have permission

I tried it out yesterday works

[thorny schooner]

I just asked it to see what it change of the country flag

[keen beacon]

That doesn’t give it depth one second let me try to make it

Some depth would make it more immersive and more powerful

[soft goblet]

Huh?

[cloud zinc]

animating real people photo now

[keen beacon]

Yeah, my boy sockey hooked me up with the news

[soft goblet]

Ohhh

[keen beacon]

And I tried it out and it worked

[cloud zinc]

it makes input photo and runs it through their image generator i think

so, it distorts colors and face

[keen beacon]

And sometimes crops

It’s not all that great, but it could still be effective

[cloud zinc]

i have tried to make the photo be sorrounded by background, it still crops

[keen beacon]

I wonder if the models are smart enough to be able to tell apart synthetically generated faces versus real faces

It’s funny because you could tell what he was going for

[keen beacon]

Would you mind elaborating us on the meaning of your symbolism? 😂

[thorny schooner]

🥲

[keen beacon]

Have fun

[keen beacon]

Is that a maple story snail? I’m not sure if you ever heard of that game story from a while ago I used to play it heavy back in the day that little snail reminded me of that.

[thorny schooner]

Well guess I'm not as lucky as you when he comes to the account stuff

[keen beacon]

Huh?

That’s crazy. They must’ve just started doing that.

Hold on, bro I’ll give you an account

[gaunt roost]

https://youtu.be/iLk3aE6GmDA

[cloud zinc]

doing what

[keen beacon]

[e-mail]

[rigid hollow]

where is smart router again?

[thorny schooner]

?

[queen pike]

hi guys
is this app free ?

[rigid hollow]

For now, yes

[thorny schooner]

Where would I even put that

[thorny schooner]

Another image I just randomly made ( based on a original character that was basically a YouTuber analyst for characters and stories)

[keen beacon]

So I just checked with this new account. It doesn’t seem like everybody gets access to it weird.

This account didn’t get access to the feature to upload people

[soft goblet]

I can't generate mj anymore rn

It's so weird

[keen beacon]

Yes, then you’re going to the same thing

They locked everything down really hard

[keen beacon]

Like I can’t even get simple things to pass

[keen beacon]

Are you connected to Wi-Fi and your mobile network?

Or are those just your bars for your network? lol

[ocean bison]

I opened a Private Window and it SAYS the same exact message but POWERED BY CLOUDFLARE ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

[keen beacon]

I feel you

[ocean bison]

No! I'm attaching the image as a reference.

[keen beacon]

I never seen that many bars lol

[soft goblet]

💔

[soft goblet]

Lmaoo

[keen beacon]

We’ll find a way they’re gonna loosen them eventually

[thorny schooner]

Did you try to go supersonic or something ☠️ lmao

[keen beacon]

I think they have to look really good. Hang out with the Disney deal and try to get more customers on board.

[cloud zinc]

hopefully never

[ocean bison]

😂😂😂😂😂

[cloud zinc]

u will have to wait for sora alternative

[keen beacon]

Nawh open ai is sloppy

If they restricted the IP, that means NSFW is gonna be easier to generate

You can’t defend everything

[soft goblet]

🙏

[cloud zinc]

we dont need nsfw

[soft goblet]

We have to wait for it being in lmarena

[keen beacon]

Not that kind of stuff, W, humorous, and SFW

I’m not too worried about it guys

The Disney theme is coming from what I hear sometime in 2026

[soft goblet]

Yay

[keen beacon]

Nice

Hope

[soft goblet]

This official thingy?

[keen beacon]

Oh yeah

Over 200 Disney characters

[soft goblet]

In the Disney+ app

?

I read that somewhere

[keen beacon]

Plus Disney’s investing over $1 billion and two open AI

https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/11/tech/disney-openai-sora-google

Disney is gonna be launching their own AI service and it’s gonna be operated by ChatGPT

[soft goblet]

I mean on sora you can just type a Disney Pixar trailer without content violation

[keen beacon]

Yeah, but you’ll be actually able to use the characters

Without the violations in anyway, you see fit as long as they don’t promote harm or anything that could be reputational damage to the Disney corporation and open AI you know the basic TOS

[ocean bison]

Imagine if it does with Mojang too 😂😂😂

[keen beacon]

What’s interesting is when Sora 1 came out Disney rejected partnership with open AI

I just have a feeling I know it’s coming

[frozen swift]

its down again

[keen beacon]

It’s gonna be like streaming wars

[soft goblet]

I mean

[keen beacon]

Legacy Google and open AI compete

You’re gonna have some brand sign exclusive deals with open AI and some with Google

[cloud zinc]

https://www.businessinsider.com/disney-ai-strategy-employees-disneygpt-openai-deal-chatgpt-2025-12

[keen beacon]

Yup

I don’t think people realize how massive Disney has

They own so much IP and so much different media, content, characters, and all type types of stuff

[keen beacon]

I mean, just to give you one The Simpsons

How many characters are there in The Simpsons?

Hundreds?

[soft goblet]

Fr

[cloud zinc]

we dont need obscure character

[keen beacon]

But there’s gonna be a catch

They’re probably gonna do what we see and video games is gonna be micro transactions

So I think it’ll be something like some silly like 4.99 get you a pack of like 10 generations or something

Which isn’t bad on the tone I guess if people are willing to pay for it

Pretty much royalties

[ocean bison]

Right after how people are annoyed by reCAPTCHA in LMArena, I just saw CloudFlare in LMArena on a Private Window!

[cloud zinc]

people who are gonna purchase it that deserves it

[keen beacon]

But this creates a paradox, and it comes into, especially with that quote you will own nothing and be happy

Your pain to generate content that isn’t yours it’s someone else’s intellectual property which they own the rights to for you to be able to use their likeness

And this could lead to new business model where let’s say you make a Kool aI generated video that goes viral with millions of views and likes

[echo aurora]

Sorry to say I do not have an update for this problem.

[keen beacon]

Who is to say, they can’t lay the groundwork for getting royalties or a percentage of that virality because of their intellectual property

But then again, it’s also undecided because nobody could technically copyright AI generated content from what I understand currently

[echo aurora]

The Video Arena on the site is currently an experiment. This means it's going to be random if you do or don't see the feature.

[ocean bison]

YOU, can you add the button on my account?

So that I CAN GENERATE WITHOUT BATTLE MODE!

[echo aurora]

Nope.

[ocean bison]

That gets like trash models without native audio.

@echo aurora

[keen beacon]

How wrong u r

[echo aurora]

No, we wouldn't typically grant access to an experimental feature because it's being asked for,

[keen beacon]

Bro, be humble

[ocean bison]

#1451567412078968832 At least, add o4-mini Image to the list of models.

It's just o4-mini + GPT-Image-1.

o4-mini to refine the prompt before generating the final image!

[echo aurora]

Ill be sure to add to the model request list

[ocean bison]

Add it now!

[empty stump]

why o4 mini

[ocean bison]

Still very good!

[keen beacon]

He believed it will enhance that image

[ocean bison]

Still a very good reasoning model!

[keen beacon]

Why do you need that reasoning for generation?

[ocean bison]

Enhance prompts.

Because longer gets closer to what you wanted.

[keen beacon]

That’s a very broad and big term

Enhance what enhance image, fidelity, enhance image clarity enhance image HDR

Enhance the aesthetic, enhance the coloring

[ocean bison]

No, enhance the prompt.

Make the prompt longer!

[keen beacon]

But how will that translate into the image enhancing?

You could stick in a whole dictionary in there

[ocean bison]

@echo aurora Maybe o4-mini Image gets 10-25 Elo points better compared to GPT-Image-1!

Estimative number!

[keen beacon]

Let me show you something friend

[ocean bison]

Not a huge jump like from DALL-E 3 to GPT-Image-1.5

But like a small leap!

[keen beacon]

There’s a reason why opening, I disabled the ability to be able to view the image prompts like they did with Dalle

[ocean bison]

@echo aurora And #1451621359519138013 if it's added like more officially.

[ocean bison]

Still all of this is unofficial and made by myself!

[keen beacon]

You see this

How you’re able to see the prompt

But we no longer have this feature with any of the new ChatGPT img gen

Why do you think that is?

[ocean bison]

Like turn a very short prompt in like a very long prompt that's like 1-2 pages long.

Or shorter.

[keen beacon]

No, because every model has its own standard of communicating like the kind of language and words that uses and it prefers

Based on how it was trained

And I’ll show you some patterns of what I mean

[zealous sparrow]

minimax m2.1 previews on the arena

[keen beacon]

A 90s-style anime character on a wooden boat, now very close to the shore of a tropical island. The boat is gliding over shallow water, with the sandy bottom visible beneath the clear waves. The character is standing at the bow, leaning forward with determination, eyes locked on the approaching shore. They have orange hair and wear a classic adventurer's outfit consisting of a white shirt, black pants, and brown boots with no accessories or headband. The island's beach, palm trees, and jungle entrance are clearly visible, and waves gently lap at the shore. The sky is bright, and the island's towering cliffs loom overhead.

A 90s-style anime character paddling a wooden boat toward the shore of a tropical island. The character has orange hair and is wearing a classic adventurer's outfit consisting of a white shirt, black pants, and brown boots with no accessories or headband. The character is sitting in the boat, gripping a paddle with both hands, using it to row toward the beach. The boat is cutting through the shallow water, and the sandy shore is approaching. The island’s palm trees and jungle are visible in the background. The image should have a traditional 90s anime style with bold lines, clean shading, and soft color gradients. The image is in a 16:9 aspect ratio with the green screen background.

[ocean bison]

@echo aurora Note this!

[keen beacon]

A 90s-style anime scene showing an external view of a small boat being engulfed by a massive tsunami wave. The perspective is from outside the boat, looking in at the male character as he clings tightly to the vessel. He has spiky hair, a white shirt, black pants, brown boots, and a noticeably large belt. His body is partially submerged in the boat as it is lifted by the towering wave, his face showing shock and desperation. Water crashes violently around him, and the dark storm clouds loom above with lightning flashing in the distance. The scene is vibrant, with dramatic shading and motion effects characteristic of classic 90s anime.

Do you see the pattern in the wording?

[ocean bison]

Basically from like 700 up to 2000 characters.

[keen beacon]

There’s more to it right since the images are generated based off words since these are large language models

[ocean bison]

Or more or less.

[keen beacon]

What role does the sequence in which they are structured in matter

And I’ll give you an example so the prompt we have above

Let’s break it down into four sections

1. A 90s-style anime scene showing an external view of a small boat being engulfed by a massive tsunami wave. The perspective is from outside the boat, looking in at the male character as he clings tightly to the vessel.

2. He has spiky hair, a white shirt, black pants, brown boots, and a noticeably large belt. His body is partially submerged in the boat as it is lifted by the towering wave, his face showing shock and desperation.

3. Water crashes violently around him, and the dark storm clouds loom above with lightning flashing in the distance. The scene is vibrant, with dramatic shading and motion effects characteristic of classic 90s anime.

Or three

Now what would happen if we made three the very top and we switched it with one at the very end, even though we have the same words in the same description

[ocean bison]

Content policy?

[keen beacon]

But why the same words it’s literally the same prompt except in the reverse order

So back to my original question

And this is often times overlooked and unnoticed phenomenon

And I ask again what is the importance of structure and how you sequence the actual prompt?

The order in which you construct the prompt

[keen beacon]

How would you generate a prompt for this?

What words would you use to describe what’s going on here?

Hard to say because we don’t know the CONTEXT

Now, what do you think would cause the guard rails just based on the wording to block this without even having the image generated?

Let’s think about it if we use the most common descriptive words, explosive bomb detonation blast people hurt, falling destruction

So let’s verify this by asking what the prompt is from Gemini

What did I tell you

[keen beacon]

Are you still following me?

[ocean bison]

Yes

I'm pretty sure!

[keen beacon]

Ok now look

We have the prompt that Gemini gave us which is clearly getting blocked

[native flame]

Hi guys it was just me or yesterday the lmarena site allowed to create videos too??

[zealous sparrow]

still experimental and rotates

[ocean bison]

@echo aurora said it's experimental!

I didn't get the Video Mode button.

😂

[keen beacon]

Which brings me to my second point here

So this could be classified as a false positive on the guard rails

[ocean bison]

Now, try to strip even more!

To just emojis at this point.

[keen beacon]

Well, it works with just emojis emoji is like any other language. You have to know the combination.

Emojis are one of my favorite ways to generate

[keen beacon]

Bro, the only reason I know this is because I’ve been where you been. I’ve had the same ideas and I’ve experimented with the same thoughts.

I always assume that adding more would be more better or somehow

[ocean bison]

Not Donald Trump doing the hand sign 😂😂😂

[keen beacon]

But trust me, it’s not the case, dude

The thing is are not really a good prompter

I hate prompting, but where I excel is understanding the formality of how the model interprets and communicates and understands intent through the words and structure and context of the whole thing

With the emojis since there’s no text, the model is doing all the hard work

Not only is it putting the sequence of emojis together, but it also has the sequence how it’s gonna be presented without having a word in the actual prompt

[ocean bison]

Yes, doing with emojis is like doing with Toki Pona LOL 😂😂😂

You've got like 3000 symbols vs 120/137 words for Toki Pona @keen beacon

[keen beacon]

Bro, I’m just trying to tell you your idea with what you had 04 is just overdoing it

[ocean bison]

Like generating a prompt that's too long when much shorter prompts do better results?

[keen beacon]

I don’t know how to explain this to you

It’s hard to articulate style and artistic meaning from what you’re trying to generate into proper words

For example, even defining enhancement in this context is difficult

Noise reduction, contrast adjustment, sharpening, histogram equalization, color correction, smoothing, filtering, edge detection, dynamic range compression, dynamic range expansion, resolution enhancement, super-resolution, artifact removal, fidelity enhancement, clarity improvement

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/0HqUYpGQIfs?si=9WCSslhYbA6IX8Xg

[keen beacon]

This video will explain the fundamental principles of what I’m talking about. I gotta run. I’ll talk to you guys later.

[main ginkgo]

Is the website down cause I can't sign in or anything?

[unkempt mantle]

cannot find the image to video generator option now but can create videos using the old thread. Is it a temporary or permanent shutdown?

[zealous sparrow]

it is experimental

sometimes you have it sometimes you dont

[weary galleon]

It looks like this image is AI-generated, not a screenshot.

[pastel panther]

A split-screen cinematic shot. Left side: A cracked, dry desert ground under a harsh sun. Right side: A lush, vibrant garden filled with blooming white Tuberose flowers (Maryum flower) and morning dew drops. Hyper-realistic, 8k, soft transition, ethereal lighting

[zealous sparrow]

um excuse me

i think they on Mac or something

[unkempt mantle]

thanks for the information, so i have to continue using the thread to generate videos

[zealous sparrow]

For now I guess.

[unkempt mantle]

yeah i'm using a mac for now

[weary galleon]

Next one AI-generated image.

[unkempt mantle]

lol stop trolling buddy XD

[weary galleon]

You write in wrong channel.

[unkempt mantle]

where am i supposed to ask then?

[weary galleon]

You should post you images there, not here.
https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1344733249628541099

[unkempt mantle]

i was actually asking whether they removed the video generation tool, thats all would post desired outputs in future for sure in that channel

[unkempt mantle]

thanks mate

[weary galleon]

But AI generated content we post there https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1344733249628541099 not here.

[keen beacon]

You’re lucky you probably got access one of the first people I’ve seen today. Been able to do that

[unkempt mantle]

tbh a few days ago a friend told me about LMarena and then i saw that it generates videos and i was like damn, would be helpful for producing mockup videos for products and branding for reference.

[keen beacon]

Well, it’s been able to do that, but in the discord

That’s what I thought at first too, but

Eventually, get to the point where you sometimes even forget this place offers video of generation 🤣

I tried to do it only when I get super stuck on something and I wanna see variances from different models

[unkempt mantle]

i'll have to go through the steps

[keen beacon]

It’s just generation dude. It’s the only way you ever get good at AI at least gen ai

You gotta pump out volume

[unkempt mantle]

doesn't the prompt get public when we use discord?

[keen beacon]

I’m not sure and I don’t really care if it is or isn’t

People are so protective over their prompt. It’s ridiculous.

[unkempt mantle]

i'm not protective with my prompts but with the context i'll be entering might not be good for business that i want to start in the 2nd quarter of next year

[keen beacon]

Yeah, that’s the other thing you gotta watch out for that makes a lot of sense

[unkempt mantle]

thats all even i'm learning how to prompt appropriately for better and efficient outputs

[keen beacon]

Well, that’s actually the trade-off between using the public sphere and then doing it privately I guess

Bro, I’m telling you somebody’s been doing this for a while

[unkempt mantle]

like this is the theme i want to use for branding but people wont be able to figure out what the product is right?

[keen beacon]

People always wanna know like what the shortcut is, but it’s really volume dude

Yeah, that looks great

Did you upscale that?

[unkempt mantle]

nope not really

[keen beacon]

Is that seed dream?

[unkempt mantle]

i used perplexity and i guess it was its own generative model for this as grok and open ai were offering a bit weird and unrelated results

[keen beacon]

Wow that’s really impressive if it’s grok

[unkempt mantle]

its perplexity's own Ai model

[keen beacon]

I didn’t know they have an image generator model

[empty stump]

what happened to midjourney, did they just disappear

[keen beacon]

No

They partnered up with meta

Mid journey is still very popular

I looked at the stats, not too long ago. They still have a massive user base.

[unkempt mantle]

its been actually working out good for me in the image category with ai just have to get my hands on video generation tools and learn how to use the prompt appropriately would substantially reduce the cost of video production for ad campaigns

[keen beacon]

I have to look into that I never heard of their image generator model

Honestly, are you in the media space at all by chance?

[unkempt mantle]

would say helps with 40%-60% when it comes to reference work and then all you gotta do is guide the editor or gfx artist accordingly

[keen beacon]

To be frank I think with AI video it’s not the prompting or the generations themselves even though they are important but having a background in video editing or sound engineering or just in the media industry at all if you have any skills in that area that’s gonna far exceedand just complement the generation and output

Because most people are just generating things without really sequencing it properly or knowing how to organize content that usually people that are in the industry content creator know how to do naturally

You take something like that could generate 100 videos a day, but can’t put them together for the life of me

The dor brothers are good example

[unkempt mantle]

not really, was into gaming then finished studies in computer applications figured i'm not built for that so trying to build a business

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/TbXZoMocpM8?si=wrEB3G76lsgtv-s7

You see these guys this video is AI generated and has 17 million views

It went viral when it came out, but these dudes they got a background in movie editing, or I don’t even know

[unkempt mantle]

well thats very well said, had an idea to use the video generation AI tools to start a youtube channel where we can have melodies for babies. generate lyrics through ai and then use a paid platform like suno an eleven labs for music and voice

[keen beacon]

Yeah, there’s a lot of crazy things out there right now dude especially on YouTube with AI

There’s a lot of AI farms

[unkempt mantle]

it would take some time to learn prompting and then some time for automating but then i can be a goldmine if implemented with decent enough ideas

[keen beacon]

But some people are getting massive numbers with AI on YouTube dude

To be honest with you, I think it’s a optimistic way to look at it, but I think for me the way I see at least the reality is a much harsher landscape

Because if we look at the companies that are making these AI tools, why aren’t they using it to create content and generate all the revenue for themselves?

I’m sure if they could they would so that tells me that that content game is a very challenging one and I don’t know if making a lot of money is really as simple as it often be betrayed not to say it’s not possible but

It’s very difficult is what I’m trying to say to grab people’s attention in general

Like for example, the video I showed you

So their new videos are coming out are only getting like 27K views

And they used to get millions

[late bluff]

How to vibe code

[unkempt mantle]

they are farming data for now i believe and their goal isn't to sell videos but to sell the generator as a tool right?

[unkempt mantle]

just like how adobe sells its softwares rather than products

[keen beacon]

See look at the numbers

Well, this is what actually makes me question the whole business model behind it

OK, if you take Google for instance that’s has the content creator sharing program. Content creator are able to make some money through ad revenues on their videos.

But now, if they’re gonna be using these AI tools to generate content, they’re paying essentially for using the tools

[late bluff]

Is it correct?

[keen beacon]

Well, in the thing that really is concerning is if they do farm the data and harvest at all

Who is to say the same contact creator can’t get replaced later by the same automation

Since they’re gonna know what people watch their preferences, they run the algorithm

And when video generation technology gets really good, who’s to say that they can’t just take all that data and just compile it into automated video content that they don’t have to share or pay any of the revenues that is generated through ads

You know how massive accompany like Netflix and Google if they merged would be

[unkempt mantle]

well for this particular channel to be honest with you requires a lot understanding for human psychology. like the category of video you produce, your consistency on channel, some people prefer organic content over artificial content. Some go for entertainment some for information

[keen beacon]

No, I totally agree with you

But what I’m saying is as the technology progresses and gets better

The same platforms who also are having the AI tools and building them

Are the same ones where the content has been shared organic or synthetic

And like, especially if you have a really good idea like you should be protective of it

[unkempt mantle]

well AI content is something we would expect in manga and animations for i guess people would still prefer a real person to provide information or for entertainment

[keen beacon]

Absolutely

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/313485/20251218/youtube-bans-two-channels-that-posts-ai-generated-movie-trailers-after-getting-demonetized.htm

Man that’s crazy. These are some of the more popular stuff on YouTube and they’re banning it.

Insane

And it’s their tools to help generate this content 🤣🤣🤣

[unkempt mantle]

video and image generation AI tools are great for reference and creating next frames

[late bluff]

I enjoy vibecoding

Because I do NOTHING

ai does everything for me

[keen beacon]

https://www.aitubeinsight.com/

[unkempt mantle]

saw one of my friends doing the same using samsung's AI. He used to snap a picture and then ask for errors and prompts for rectifying it if he finds an issue he then manually applies logic for that

[keen beacon]

I don’t think that image I shared is correct. CNN is not a AI generated YouTube channel.

[late bluff]

Lmarena provides models for 100% free

[cloud zinc]

cnn is ai?

[unkempt mantle]

yeah i was amazed to see popular chatbots here

[keen beacon]

Well, that’s what I’m saying. I don’t think that image is correct.

[unkempt mantle]

even i showspeed isn't AI

[keen beacon]

Not popular, but the main ones that are in existence

[cloud zinc]

everything is ai beside rockefeller

[keen beacon]

We don’t know if they’re popular or not because we don’t have any smaller more private companies on the market. We only have massive corporate glamorous and billion dollar tech companies ai

[unkempt mantle]

i forgot the chinese video generative tool from tiktok

[keen beacon]

The Chinese are a little bit more ahead in video generation in my opinion

You look at something so sophisticated like Kling

Or huliao

[unkempt mantle]

reviews were great and the outputs were so damn good

[late bluff]

I'm from belarus

[keen beacon]

Yeah, and that company Kling started as like a side project in the university somewhere in China

I think Easter Europeans are gonna have a lot to contribute to AI

I think they’re gonna be a little late because of economic constraints, but I think they’re gonna come on board after the Chinese

It’ll be interesting to see what the Europeans do also

It seems right now, at least to me that the European are trying to tackle some of the rogatory constraints of AI which I think in my opinion is good but at the same time I think it’s also hurting the European AI industry

[unkempt mantle]

Hello from india mate

[keen beacon]

India too I think India will contribute a lot also

Actually, I think the Indians are gonna probably out perform the Eastern Europeans

And we’re also shouldn’t forget the Middle East Saudi Arabia is investing a lot into tech

They recently bought EA and I have signed massive deals with open AI

[late bluff]

Chatgpt, nearly everything is blocked but I use a vpn

[unkempt mantle]

well the tech domain is doing great in India but not for india itself

[keen beacon]

No, India has a lot of social barriers that still need to be overcome

It has a very complex society with both modern and traditional portions of the population

[unkempt mantle]

most of the employees here work for companies of the west so yes we are working but not for ourself

[keen beacon]

It’s hard though, because the west plays a very slick game of economics

There very shrewd businessman

I feel for India because you have a lot of educated people out there, but the population is just so big it’s so competitive

[unkempt mantle]

tbh it would take another 10-15 years to become a bit better in terms of business norms and policies

[keen beacon]

Well, India like China, Russia, and many other countries and societies that have been around for almost a millennium

They all have a lot of things in common in the sense of tradition and it’s just hard to change peoples mentality after thousands of years of doing business the same way

You know that saying you get stuck in your own ways

[late bluff]

Are you from US

[keen beacon]

Yes

[late bluff]

Wtf

[whole sundial]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[keen beacon]

What’s the problem? Why just not try again?

[unkempt mantle]

well yeah thats true but for an instance we lack a lot of things for the time being like basic civic sense and the topics in our political campaigns are absurd tbh

[late bluff]

I just asked it to add and it hang up

But now I gave it the same prompt

[keen beacon]

You know I never thought about it before I joined the LM arena community, but thinking about the economics of AI and

The disadvantages of causes that to say this is a new industry, and this is a new technology and that learning it now is gonna give you opportunities and advantages later in the future

But now that you see that you don’t live in a western country or don’t have the privileges economically to afford even a $20 subscription if your daily wages a dollar daily just say

Many of these countries, not that they don’t want to, but will lack the means to learn to adopt to this technology in a way that would be beneficial financially

I think that’s right I don’t think a powerful tool like AI should be concentrated and held in area. The only benefits a certain portion. I think it should be able to benefit everybody proportionately.

[unkempt mantle]

well who needs subscriptions when alot of things are free on the internet

[keen beacon]

Well, they’re free now until it consolidates

Once the industry consolidates and everybody’s reliant on it, people are gonna have no choice, but to pay for it

Because everything’s gonna be incorporated with it

Even the Chinese open source models the same thing will happen to them once everything’s consolidated

[unkempt mantle]

well there always would. be a competitor in the market unless they plan to partner with the rival company (nvidia and amd)

[keen beacon]

It’s a business and business is ruthless

Of course there’s gonna be competitors, but what’s the difference between Nike and Adidas?

McDonald’s or Burger King

[unkempt mantle]

branding i would say thats all

i understand where this conversation is going and its true it would be act as a commodity in future for sure

[late bluff]

Is the Veo 3 really unlimited and you have to wait just an hour on this to generate more

[keen beacon]

Well, it is that’s exactly what he’s turning into. AI is turning into the commodity just like electricity or cable or any other commodity that people have in their life and their bills.

That’s actually a perfect word for it is a commodity and the pure essence at least that that’s what it’s turning into

[unkempt mantle]

but most chatbots would still be free,thats what i fell like is gonna happen

[keen beacon]

I guess why I’m a little bitter about AI is I feel for the idea of AI being able democratized make things an opportunities cheaper for people

But instead, it just consolidated in centralized and the prices of things that were supposed to go down actually went up if you think about it

Multiple day services multiple subscriptions multiple API multiple multiple that

One of my buddies is at YouTube content creator he spends over 1200 bucks a month on AI service lol

I mean, and I thought long and hard about this. I really did and I could say this.

Let you say it cost you $500 to hire an animator to make you a a 30 second clip or even that one minute clip

It’s gonna cost you that much in trial and error to do the same thing and you’re not guaranteed with AI

[keen beacon]

But at the beginning, the illusion seems that it’s cheaper

[unkempt mantle]

well to be honest you can hire 3d, gfx and vfx artists for cheaper in india

[keen beacon]

I mean, OK let’s take AI like if anyone wanted to make money using AI like a regular user right

How would somebody be able to generate money using AI output?

[unkempt mantle]

Perplexity partnered with Airtel(telecom company) here in india and gave away its pro subscription for free

[keen beacon]

But how would you make money for like a regular user if you wanted to make money with AI output?

[late bluff]

The teddy bear became so recognizable

It didn't distort him much

[keen beacon]

It would be hard because the output itself is so generic and so large and volume of distribution across millions of users it’s worth nothing for the most part

To me it seems for the money is in is in specialization

Having output that’s very hard and uncommon that people are willing to pay money for that consistent

But you’re not gonna get that from my AI model that randomly generates God knows what

And the thing is if you’re incorporating these things in your business model requires API Google open AI anthropic all of them are going to get paid regardless, even if your business model fails

https://youtu.be/SfitdmwsDTk?si=9aRL457aFA2SdhqB

Bro, this chick is like 19 or 20 or something like that and she’s a millionaire from AI

[unkempt mantle]

well in context with entertainment domain i don't think it optimistically to use paid AI tools for video generation rather use it to fill your story of the video, suppose you are a traveller and want to get a drone shot but don't have a drone or permit to fly a drone then ai can help, it can help animate you entire tour. Entirely using it for videos will be a headache because as you said it produces random stuff.

[keen beacon]

And guess what she did?

She clone her voice and like her self into like a AI avatar and she charges one dollar a minute to talk to her synthetic self 🤣🤣🤣

[unkempt mantle]

Ai would be a great to detect anomalies

[keen beacon]

Well, the reason I’m having this rant and lectures because I don’t think that it’s smart to go out this with a perspective of turning into a business

I think to succeed in general would be to take your passion something you enjoy, and somehow be able to provide value that people would be willing to spend money on or whatever so essentially the money is the side effect of the value given

The goal isn’t the money for the sake of money. The goal is to provide value which in return will bring money and not the other way around.

In my own opinion

Cause bro, if you go on YouTube if you go on any of these social media platforms from commercials to influencers to even google seo

Or even go search something on Google the top results everything the whole Internet

All shills

Selling courses selling ebooks

Just I don’t know, dude I don’t know. I don’t wanna be like that. That’s all I’m saying.

[unkempt mantle]

100% agreed, Do something that you enjoy maybe music, gaming, electronics, tech, dance, fitness, travel, etc and share you experience with people on social media domains rather than assuming making content for money

[keen beacon]

I’d rather get regular job be regular person than to treat people like I’m a vacuum and I need an extract money out of their pocket with every single piece of word on my website or some annoying pop-up or whatever the hell that makes the Internet barely usable as is were an annoyance

It’s wrong because the system and the way it’s designed it pretends to be helpful and nice and pro providing value, but it’s really not

And once again, this doesn’t apply to everybody and everything. There’s obviously good people out. They’re doing good things.

I’m just saying if you look at the economics of the Internet

You have to pay to not be frustrated to use services because otherwise you get hit with annoying frustrating features and it’s stupid dude

Look, bro all I looked up was YouTube AI video stats

Look at all this garbage

[late bluff]

I will make my phone wallpaper using nano banana

[hollow ivy]

which AI?

[late bluff]

lmarena

[hollow ivy]

yeah, i know
but LMA has over 100 AIs lol

[unkempt mantle]

One of my friends used to travel with his uncle, sometimes alone and sometimes with friends. He used to visit hill stations and do camping. Never gained enough traction for his content. Did 75 hard challenege which made him consistent and the place he was staying he came across a dog and from then on he started rescuing animals. today he have around 846k on instagram

[keen beacon]

See what I’m saying, bro it’s all a bunch of unrelated things. I just wanted stats numbers

What’s crazy is my brother-in-law and my sister they do seo

And the way, my brother-in-law talks about it. He says it’s like a game.

But on the other hand, you got people like me just trying to search something getting gamed

So I could be a little extra digit on some persons daily website count

[hollow ivy]

i mean, when vibe-coding

[keen beacon]

It’s a cold cold game 🤣🤣🤣🤣

And the thing is, they’re doing good for themselves. They make a good amount of money.

It’s like some type of tempted bro

[unkempt mantle]

SEO's are so saturated at this point dude

some many fuggin keywords

[keen beacon]

I know, but what I’m saying is dude

It doesn’t even bother them doesn’t even cross their mind

Like to me even earlier when I try to search up, I’m like how do these people sleep with themselves?

Guess what they don’t even think about it. I know they’re living with me right now the temporarily

He even bought me a book called a four hour workday or something like that

[late bluff]

Here's what it did

[keen beacon]

🤣🤣

You know what I’ve been thinking about I try to make a Gmail account this morning

And I never considered this before when you first sign up, they ask you for your birthday and they ask you what gender you are

And I never stopped to think about this before, but why does that matter? Why would they even have to ask such a ridiculous question to know what gender I am they’re never gonna look at me. They’re never gonna see me. They’re never gonna meet me and yet they wanna know what gender I am. 🤣

Followed by my age, my email and my phone number to verify that I’m not a buy on top of dealing with Cloudflare and captchas

And yet somehow still able to download malware easily, and viruses all day long surfing the Internet

And every other week we wake up to the same story some database got hacked. Millions of users information got stolen

[unkempt mantle]

you use cracked softwares?

[keen beacon]

No, I’m just saying like figure of speech

Like you go through all these steps and processes and you’d at least think that or be reassured that you’re gonna be safe surfing the Internet with all these constraints but it’s not the case

Your information is gonna get hacked. It’s gonna be released on some dark web market.

And yet you have to provide this information if you wanna use the Internet, which is crazy

[unkempt mantle]

yeah we have digital footprints everywhere

[keen beacon]

Well, at least reassure my safety if I’m gonna provide all this information and it’s not like I have a choice

[unkempt mantle]

my mockup

[keen beacon]

I mean, if you wanna be a modern person and today’s day and age you’re gonna need to use the services like Gmail and

[keen beacon]

Oh dude, that’s sick

[high spear]

Hii why the video option don’t appear always? What I need to do ?

[keen beacon]

That’s way cool man good for you

Damn it seems like a lot of people have been getting the video

That’s crazy

[late bluff]

You must be happy it even appears

[unkempt mantle]

anything uploaded on the internet goes to a database and the server can get hacked

[late bluff]

I don't even have it

[keen beacon]

Dude, listen for God sakes listen, how ridiculous this sounds

The people that are in charge of keeping the citizens credit score

There’s like three agencies here in the states

OK, they have all the information the social, the credit cards that credit history, etc. you name it

They ended up getting hacked and it ended up being like half the population information

lol

[weary galleon]

For most people it doesn't appear at all. Never.

[unkempt mantle]

i use AI for market research and analysis for my product launch and even for creative references and ideas realted to social media campaigns and branding

[late bluff]

@keen beacon did you got video generation yet

The button

[keen beacon]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2024/08/15/social-security-hack-national-public-data-breach/74807903007/

Dude, if I was in charge this person and his family is going to prison forever

[unkempt mantle]

use the old thread you used for video generation can't spot the video button