general

[keen beacon]

It’s a bunch of circles lol

[neon idol]

@echo aurora nbp not working with images uploaded :P

[keen beacon]

He cannot share the prompts. He cannot run any prompts. He doesn’t know when it’s coming but more to come soon.

[neon idol]

https://x.com/Liam06972452/status/1997999723874029707?s=20 some examples

Leeham (@Liam06972452)

*NEW* Nano Banana Flash powered by 3 Flash - examples!

A new Nano Banana variant is coming powered by Gemini 3 Flash rather than 3 Pro!

It’ll most likely be cheaper and faster, but still VERY similar to NB Pro. Here are some example outputs:

X · Dec 8, 2025, 12:00 PM

[cloud zinc]

whats this

[neon idol]

do u have eyes?

[keen beacon]

Its hopemium

[keen beacon]

I hate getting this kind of news lol

It doesn’t give no details about anything tangible

When where who how ? Its a tease 😭

[cloud zinc]

ikr

[neon idol]

other examples

[keen beacon]

Both examples have ip or copyright content

[torn mantle]

yea but how is it compared to other models?

[torn mantle]

doesnt gpt image cost more while being worse + worse quality?

i dont understand these people are always complaining

you want something good but again you want it cheap

like its impossible

they will always balance the performance / cost

[keen beacon]

I don’t

I know it cost

And I know you get what you pay for

[torn mantle]

exactly

[keen beacon]

All I’m saying is

Who tf is going to be spending almost 1 dollar on four (4k) images and be generating on scale if ur a normie or regular user

[cloud zinc]

business users

[keen beacon]

Ya

[torn mantle]

the casual user wont yea

[keen beacon]

What would that cost 100img at 4K?

21.50$?

[torn mantle]

like 2.4$

[cloud zinc]

2?

its 0.134

[neon idol]

people that dont know how to spend money for lower taxes?

[torn mantle]

yea if its 0.024$ / 4k

[cloud zinc]

where its 0.024

[keen beacon]

I mean I c go through 100 n hour lol

[torn mantle]

is it 0.24 or 0.024

oh

its 0.24 right

[cloud zinc]

what u need 100 for?

[keen beacon]

Maybe even half depending how fast gens come

I’m just using it as a basic measurement

But ur right also

100 is a lot if ur just messing around

But it’s still fun to gen img or videos

[cloud zinc]

fun is not free

[keen beacon]

I hate to use this word but it Addictive

[keen beacon]

Once again when ur right ur right

Still something in me screams that’s its bs… we are talking about images

I mean, how many do you think would have been created in the last two years from AI

Almost anything and everything you could think of plus some

Half the stuff goes into trash

The other half we never see and the 1/3 we do see is on such a massive scale on every social media you could think of

[torn mantle]

tbh i may want to use more than 100 per hour

like 4k

for this side project of mine but its not worth it

[neon idol]

ops

[torn mantle]

nano banana flash could be special giving the price

[keen beacon]

That was pretty creative man

[neon idol]

wrong channel

[keen beacon]

If they charging .24 cents for 4k on googles scale

Its cost them like 1 cent for a batch of 1000

[fleet lintel]

could be just a leaker that wants to prevents their identity

[keen beacon]

Don’t they got synth Id lol?

[fleet lintel]

yes. I do want good and cheap. 🙂

[keen beacon]

I want fair honest options

Distributed equally amongst super masses

[modest prism]

We need Veo 4 just like NB pro but for videos

[keen beacon]

And I want to cut of the profits

😂

Dude, any of these tech companies from Google to Facebook to even this discord to Reddit? What do they all rely on?

They rely on people on people like me on people like you people we know that do all the hard work and build these platforms up for what they are

There would be no Conversations in discord there would be no posts on Reddit. There would be no articles for for Google to search

The profit from our data are collective data, but none of the money ever funnels back to us. Well, some of us were fortunate, and we get blessed by the algorithm.

[echo aurora]

The 2k version or regular? both?

[neon idol]

2k

[echo aurora]

I've been hearing a lot of reports this morning about image upload/that model being problematic.

[keen beacon]

Dude, getting blessed by the algorithm is like winning the lottery

[neon idol]

oh

[echo aurora]

Looking into. Are you getting an error when trying to upload or errors when the output happens?

[keen beacon]

The social media influencer prayer

[neon idol]

something went wrong message

now i cant rry anymore cuz i hit the rate limit

[echo aurora]

Gotcha. I'm not sure that's related to image upload as it could be the regular issues that we're having with the model.

[keen beacon]

U need to make a spare account to test against

[echo aurora]

Image Upload issues typically happen whent he image is initially uploaded.

[keen beacon]

Keep one as a control variable

To verify

[neon idol]

uff new account ?

hmm

[keen beacon]

Lm account

[neon idol]

:)

[keen beacon]

You guys are talking about?

Thats a easy fix

The people that get these errors I wonder if they ever log off

You need to log off once in a while and re-login

[viscid cloak]

Was that the rate limit thing for repeated prompt?

[keen beacon]

No it was the cloud flare

As soon as I logged out and tested, it not logged in that verify your human box popped up

There’s a lag delay for some reason and it doesn’t pop up and that’s what’s blocking it

Why you delete your data on browser or re-login you should either get a verification or it should work

[viscid cloak]

Oh that means it should verify you but somehow failed so it ends up in error loop

[keen beacon]

I’m not sure exactly how it works. I think the verification thing is supposed to pop up, but it doesn’t when he needs to.

See I’m not logged in and I tested it and it worked first shot

And you saw the previous ones it was all failure

So that tells me it’s not the arena it’s on my end

[neon idol]

bro no

[viscid cloak]

My simple take is just switch internet environment or whatever it called, let cloudfare/server recognizes you as two users. Since this problem seems won’t be fixed soon(or at all)

[neon idol]

direct chat

i was talking about direct chat

[keen beacon]

The chat is different

Because the rate limit on certain models

You’re gonna get bigger more often in direct at least with images

[neon idol]

nah

[keen beacon]

I hardly ever use that reason

I hardly ever get errors to be honest

Most of the time it’s only when my prompt are rejected because of the filter

I can prove it

Direct is to unsteady cuz of rate limits

If I need to test direct I make 1-2 calls only

You can easily convert 1;1 to 16:9

[viscid cloak]

yea, better use battle to pull your desired outcomes and retry. using direct and getting "something wrong" is just a waste of time and hourly rate count ofc.

[keen beacon]

Well, I don’t know what you’re gonna get out of direct

But you can’t get out of battle unless you give a variety

Being stuck on one model,is foolish imo

Cuz u miss other models pros

And then you can see the weakness of each model specifically you could tell each strength

[viscid cloak]

For image editing and recreation, nb pro is enough and much ahead. Seedream/reve/flux, sorry to say hardly any practical scenario to use. (Very rarely reve gives some surprising stylized image. SD is good at text to image and graphic design stuff.)

[keen beacon]

O.o

Look at the difference

In quality

[viscid cloak]

That’s very simple scenario though😂

[zealous sparrow]

a lot of amazon models were thanos snapped from LMArena

before the phantoms followed it was the belugas

[proud bobcat]

will the leaderboards be updated on december 10th

[zealous sparrow]

It will become a norm for AI sites to have ads

Following OpenAI, google is adding them to gemini too.

[keen beacon]

No.

Look at this low quality Sora video how crisp it is

I think I’m getting closer

[verbal drum]

can i do any personalize setting with my modes

[cloud zinc]

4k image raises quality sora video

[zealous sparrow]

Update: Google has proven this false

[cloud zinc]

google never lies

[zealous sparrow]

Google will not join OpenAI in ads

in gemini

https://019aff9a-6bfc-7e87-a98b-56f20526f1d4.arena.site
seahawk made this escape room game with jumpscares
should probably say CW: Clowns

tbh it got me

it also took images from the internet

the jumpscares it picked are clowns out of all things

[keen beacon]

No img just promot

[keen beacon]

Why would they ?

They have the largest network on the Internet for ad distribution

All Gemini has to do is get you the information to the place where the ads already placed

[torn mantle]

google wins if they make oai lose more clients

and thats exactly whats happening

oai average users are decreasing

and thats a big W for google

[keen beacon]

There’s two problems with being on top

And we are slowly starting to see this with Google ever since nano

[zealous sparrow]

Youtube ads make enough already??

[cloud zinc]

well they said they reduced flickering and distortion in a update

[keen beacon]

I think it’s gonna happen with AI. It’s gonna be covert advertisement

And I think how it’s gonna work is they’re gonna have “ reputable” sources when citting

And then they could just typing off the data that they get from Gemini

And target you with new ads outside of the rest of Google’s platforms

Today I tried to sign up for a AI service for music to extract voices and try to clone

And I go on YouTube and I get a commercial for 11 labs and I never have before

And all I did was use my Gmail account to sign up for a service outside of Gemini

[zealous sparrow]

The thing that google spies on us is already a confirmed statement

Look at something and you see ads of it.

[keen beacon]

Yeah

There’s no need to put ads on here because without ads you’ll get people using it more

And people are more likely, gonna be more intimate with it

With what this year I mean

[zealous sparrow]

I mean, If they were in an OpenAI situation, they would need ads.

[keen beacon]

Especially people are uploading images of themselves and stuff to edit all that stuff

Open AI will have ads

And so will Google

But not gonna be traditional

[zealous sparrow]

Google has Ads on youtube already

[keen beacon]

In 2023, Google generated approximately $237.86 billion from advertising, which accounted for over 77% of its total revenue. This figure reflects Google's dominance in the digital advertising market, with expectations for continued growth in the coming years.

[zealous sparrow]

Yeah.

90% of that is youtube

[keen beacon]

I think we’re failing to see here

If we look for example at television and advertisement and TV, right?

[zealous sparrow]

Yeah?

[keen beacon]

So, in that context, it is the advertisers pain to distribute their ad through the networks

In this instance, it is gonna be Google being able to connect the consumer to the product

One sec I’m in the middle of something I’ll be back in. I’ll articulate what I mean a little better

[fleet lintel]

Google most likely wont

i think google end game is to sell gemini to enterprises and convert google.com ai overview and ai model to be powerful enough that individual users dont need gemini.google.com

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/CK319sIWwbA?si=KyrYhWWHrpp8bQOu

One sec I’m lagging

[queen veldt]

Bro what

I thought it's "Code Red"

[zealous sparrow]

This cant be real

[keen beacon]

Laws are gunna be passed soon

To tax ai

For biz

[zealous sparrow]

OpenAI will die to AI tax

[keen beacon]

Every AI is gonna have this

I think this for only business I hope

[zealous sparrow]

And google is ch

Chilling

[compact flame]

Is that Maxwell

[zealous sparrow]

While OpenAIs in a code red

[keen beacon]

https://medium.com/@jakemlatimer/will-ai-be-taxed-the-debate-over-ai-powered-businesses-the-2025-tech-tax-tussle-721d748098a8

Well, the government is gonna pass it

[zealous sparrow]

Yeah im using it since long time and now just to remember this funny cat because it passed away

[keen beacon]

So Google is not gonna have a choice

[zealous sparrow]

Google will vibe with it

[compact flame]

Yeah Maxwell will be remembered as a great cat

[keen beacon]

https://taxmodel.substack.com/p/the-taxation-of-ai-and-automation

[zealous sparrow]

It is worse for OpenAI in a code red situation

[keen beacon]

Open AI giving us courtesy of letting us know ahead of time

There maybe a double tax

If the government decide to pass some kind of stupid AI environmental bill

If you are a developer or a business using tools like OpenAI (ChatGPT), Anthropic, or Google Gemini, you may have noticed your bills increasing. This is not a new special AI tax, but rather enforcement of existing software taxes.

• What is happening: States and countries are increasingly classifying AI API calls as "Digital Services" or "SaaS" (Software as a Service).

• The Impact: Companies like OpenAI are legally required to collect sales tax (e.g., ~8–10% in the US, ~20% VAT in Europe) on your monthly API bill based on your billing address.

[zealous sparrow]

OpenAI might just be fried..

[keen beacon]

It would have nothing to do with open ai would have to do with the users

I know how they tax gas for environmental reasons or whatever

Because the amount of resources needed to power AI

Like they’re planning on taxing electric vehicles if they’re already not

[compact flame]

Do chatgpt pro models even have API or no?

[keen beacon]

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2025/09/its-a-penalty-oregon-ev-and-hybrid-owners-will-be-hardest-hit-under-transportation-bill-tax-hikes-environmentalists-say.html

[weary galleon]

We are several hours apart from new the most powerful LLM.

[compact flame]

Since I didn't see anything related to chatgpt pro models API

[keen beacon]

No

But if you sign up for ChatGPT, plus I think it comes out to be a total of like $21.50 or something like that

The tax was deducted already

[compact flame]

Man I hope chatgpt 5.2 will be good

[keen beacon]

But we got two really strange political situations going on in America in terms of AI

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/3908656/trump-pushes-national-one-rule-ai-executive-order/

[zealous sparrow]

If 5.2 is robin im sorry to break it to you but it aint good

[weary galleon]

I think first place in text arena

[keen beacon]

So the first thing that’s happening is that the Trump administration has been lobby extremely hard by the tech industry mainly AI so he wants to pass a bill to make AI regulations of federal thing and not a state thing

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/12/08/trump-federal-ai-rule-restrict-states/87669830007/

[compact flame]

Though I won't be surprised if Gemini 3 pro still will be smarter

[surreal creek]

maybe on style control…

[keen beacon]

But , like I told you guys the other day about the AI bill that’s proposed in Florida

https://gizmodo.com/ron-desantis-proposes-ai-bill-of-rights-as-trump-says-hell-kill-state-ai-laws-2000696828

[weary galleon]

GPT-5.2 is 100% not Robin

[keen beacon]

So we have people from within the same party on two different sides. One wants to sign an executive order while the states wanna enforce their own AI regulation.

[compact flame]

What is Robin?

[weary galleon]

I don't think so.

[compact flame]

I'm new at this stuff

[keen beacon]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/desantis-calls-ai-bill-rights-201114390.html

[zealous sparrow]

Codenamed OpenAi model

[keen beacon]

Very interesting to see what’s gonna happen

[compact flame]

Oh alright

[weary galleon]

No

Codename of other model, not openai

[keen beacon]

And who’s behind the lead for the executive?

[compact flame]

Okay ig

[keen beacon]

Mr. Sam Altman

[weary galleon]

Claude is always the best, anyway.

[compact flame]

Any thoughts about Gemini deep thinking?

[keen beacon]

What’s really fascinating for everybody that’s here and who’s been from AI from the beginning what we’re seeing is a monopolization of the AI industry before our hands from where it began

[weary galleon]

👍

[keen beacon]

This is how industries traditionally in the United States have monopolized through government

[compact flame]

Kk I wonder if it will be added to LMarena tho

[zealous sparrow]

Robins codearena style is like gpt 5.1 so no it is openai

[keen beacon]

https://www.opensecrets.org/resources/learn/lobbying_timeline

[weary galleon]

No. It's dumb, GPT-5.2 will be the beast!

[keen beacon]

This photo was taken take a guess where

Only one missing is Sam 🤣

[zealous sparrow]

The doubts i have are not countable

[compact flame]

Imagine chatgpt 6.7 I know dumb joke but still

Chatgpt be making these 5.2 versions or whatever

[keen beacon]

I wouldn’t expect much from 5.2

I could be wrong though

But it just doesn’t make sense to strategically

[weary galleon]

I do.

[compact flame]

Same honestly

[keen beacon]

I’ve already considered 5 a complete flop there’s nothing that’s gonna save this series

[compact flame]

I just need like a model that knows Luau best

[keen beacon]

The word best is not a quantitative or measurable metric

[compact flame]

Fair point

[keen beacon]

Even though I know what you mean

[compact flame]

I guess I'll stick to the Claude opus or Gemini 3 pro for now

I just need a model that dedicated to coding

[keen beacon]

Qualitative metrics delve into the realm of subjective experiences and opinions. They go beyond numbers and statistics,

It’s very hard to answer ur question

[weary galleon]

Generated by Nano Banana Pro Thinking 2K

[keen beacon]

Wow awesome

That looks great. I love the colors.

[swift oyster]

GPT 5.2 will be a beast, high hopes for OpenAI.

[keen beacon]

Same I doubt it will be a beast. I hope I’m mistaken. I hope I’m wrong which I wanna be in this case.

[compact flame]

Let's just hope 5.2 is not a disappoinment

[keen beacon]

Honestly, the problem with ChatGPT is its neutered

What’s the word everybody uses that starts with a L?

On top of my head, I can’t think of it.

[compact flame]

Lol?

[swift oyster]

During training, we observed that applying censorship significantly degrades the output quality of language models.

[compact flame]

Or I dunno

[weary galleon]

🍌

[keen beacon]

Really tricky statement

[compact flame]

What does it have to do with banana emoji

[keen beacon]

Because how could censorship exist if the model is supposed to be accurate and honest?

[weary galleon]

It was generated by Nano Banana Pro 2K

[compact flame]

Hmmm okay

I wonder if nano banana pro 4k exist

I think I've seen it on yupp maybe

[swift oyster]

The more post training guardrails you pile on, the more you destroy the model’s raw intelligence and usefulness.

[keen beacon]

Yeah ofc si they find clever ways to make the model withhold information

Like redirecting or acting stupid

But still be engaging

[weary galleon]

It doesn't exist

[keen beacon]

I understand that it’s necessary so I’m not totally against it

[swift oyster]

Agreed

[keen beacon]

My issues with gpt personal lol

[compact flame]

Okay

[keen beacon]

These models consequence are in a sense you could argue are trained to lie

[swift oyster]

4o was amazing, at that time.

[keen beacon]

4o the perfect model

IMO

Great model compact strong, lose, flexible, adaptable

Fun easy to use great output length cheap

It’s like the Windows XP

[swift oyster]

OpenAI spent years chasing the consumer market while ignoring developers; now they’re realizing coding is where the actual hungry audience lives.

[keen beacon]

Yeah, look at the books and saw where all the money is coming from actually going to pay for it

[keen beacon]

Developers & we are seeing a shift also towards contact creation with media video image audio etc

[swift oyster]

Have you seen tensor 1.5? our latest ?

[keen beacon]

I have not had the honor

[swift oyster]

It would be amazing to hear some feedback from you, it's been a pleasure talking to you .

[swift oyster]

It's a model focused on coding, internally matches Opus 4.5

[keen beacon]

I think that’s what that gentleman was looking for the model of dedicated to coding

@compact flame u hear that?

[compact flame]

Yes

[keen beacon]

The universe may have answered your call haha 🤣

Ask and you shall receive

[swift oyster]

It's also 94x cheaper 😃

[regal mist]

Gpt-5.2 scores #1 on Vision Arena. Did it just get multi model? 👀

[swift oyster]

so yes, enjoy .

[keen beacon]

I’ll test this

Is 5.2 in arena.?

[compact flame]

This gotta be ai generated..

I see Gemini tag

I think

[regal mist]

Hmm

[keen beacon]

Is 5.2 in the arena.,?

[regal mist]

Yea!

[compact flame]

Yeah I got tricked

[regal mist]

You didnt know?

[compact flame]

It's not there

[keen beacon]

No

Oh

[swift oyster]

it is.

[keen beacon]

😭

Well, he got me

[compact flame]

But seriously nano banana generates such realistic copies ngl

[regal mist]

Yup

[regal mist]

Literally had the gemini logo 😭

[compact flame]

Yeah I noticed but decided to ignore it

[queen veldt]

I'm using gpt 5.2

It's out

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-laugh-four-gif-7446278225827837893

[regal mist]

My X account got restricted for ‘in authentic behaviour’…

Been trying to contact X support but they are so hard to reach

X moderation sucks

[swift oyster]

GPT 5.2 (Not real. btw.)

[whole sundial]

i can actually see the synthid watermark in this image

it's like green and pink tiling, you can see it in the leaderboard's background

[keen beacon]

How do u check the synth id

Without the watermark?

Is there a way?

[whole sundial]

if the image was generated with api, it will still have the synthid watermark, just not the gemini star

[keen beacon]

I know u can check the c2p meta

[whole sundial]

if the synthid watermark isn't in the image, it won't detect it

[whole sundial]

it is supposed to be invisible, but in certain situations where the background is a solid color (especially if it is black), you can see the watermark

[keen beacon]

There might be a different way too

[whole sundial]

it also puts a slight noise in other areas like text, but this isn't as visible

[burnt sinew]

fake?

[whole sundial]

yeah 🍌

[keen beacon]

Printer paper and printing ink

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_tracking_dots

Crazy tech

That they can this digitally also

I think this was designed from printing money lol

[queen veldt]

Yeah

To see who created some fake images of trump and other people

I knew they was using that technique i just didn't have proof

[keen beacon]

Yeah technique is outdated

[queen veldt]

Wym outdated

[keen beacon]

They got more crazy stuff

[queen veldt]

It is foolproof

[keen beacon]

Well this is from dall3

Probably way more advanced now

[queen veldt]

With exact time stamps and id of the image

[queen veldt]

Oh

Wym more crazt stuff

But if i run it through other ai model i think it'd disappear

[keen beacon]

https://www.emergentmind.com/topics/ai-generated-image-watermarking

Check that out

I’m reading it right now. I got some crazy ass stuff on there.

[swift oyster]

Hi to you too Craig

[swift oyster]

Hope you have a great week ahead

[queen veldt]

movementlabs = scamlabs

[keen beacon]

Oh lord

[queen veldt]

Where's your Minecraft clone video?

Why don't you send that here?

Or your model didn't get to that point yet?

[keen beacon]

lol

[swift oyster]

Don't need to send a video, you can try it yourself it's free also you don't need an account 🙂

[queen veldt]

I remember you sent that Minecraft video that was litteral Minecraft gameplay with shaders

[keen beacon]

(85% of ai industry)

[queen veldt]

We tried yesterday it wasn't even close to what your video shown

And that video was 3 months old btw!

Lies....

[whole sundial]

yeah I noticed that their tensor 1.5 can make an excellent if slightly buggy one-shot minecraft clone (might have been trained on that though) but the world knowledge is bad and can't hold up to Gemini 3 pro or any of the other flagships, probably because of the mixed weights from qwen lowering the otherwise great world knowledge from glm 4.5

[keen beacon]

Google uses tpu

[swift oyster]

Last time i checked we are the the cheapest 👀

[whole sundial]

yeah the mcerebras processing unit

[keen beacon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor_Processing_Unit

[queen veldt]

Litteral gpt wrapper website

Tpu's are expensive

[swift oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/thriller-michael-jackson-gif-9865515175359021441

[whole sundial]

and vc money is abundant

no they have scammer money, gained through scammer means (probably)

[keen beacon]

https://www.mouser.com/blog/new-tech-mpu-revolutionizes-edge-ai-and-industry-50

[sterile tartan]

Why Movement Labs is here again?

💀

[whole sundial]

that's the only mpu that exists

[swift oyster]

Is that with tarrifs ? 🙂

[whole sundial]

if you want to convince me of an mpu, then show me a die shot and a picture of the chip on a board. I bet you can't.

[keen beacon]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/docs/programmable/814346/24-3-1/micro-processor-unit-mpu.html

I don’t even know if any of this is related to what he’s doing

[swift oyster]

@deep adderThousands of users love what we build. Great models, fair prices, and a genuinely generous free tier. Calling that a scam doesn’t add up.

[whole sundial]

yeah mpu in that instance has been used for over 50 years at this point

[keen beacon]

I don’t know I don’t know anything about this stuff so I can’t really say anything

But it definitely is a real thing

[whole sundial]

it's as old as the microprocessor itself

[keen beacon]

I didn’t know that

[swift oyster]

@deep adder At this point the obsession is giving ‘needs professional help’ energy, just saying.

[queen veldt]

So you have 2 flagship models

And the second one has "ultra advanced reasoning"

[keen beacon]

https://wiki.st.com/stm32mpu/wiki/ST_Edge_AI:_Guide_for_STM32MPU

[queen veldt]

I'd call this deceiving customers

[keen beacon]

Wow

[whole sundial]

they could've just used nano banana pro to generate an image of an mpu, but nano banana pro is smarter than tensor 1.5 in the fact that it has much better world knowledge and not just whatever came with glm 4.5 (which honestly isn't that bad! i give z.ai credit for making a good open model with good world knowledge at 1/3 of kimi's size)

[keen beacon]

Heck this out

https://m.creaders.net/blog/d/533499

[swift oyster]

Yes, just like how Lamborghini still calls the Aventador their flagship even after the Revuelto dropped. One is the reigning king, the other is the new king. Congrats on discovering how product lineups work in 2025.

[keen beacon]

It’s in Chinese so you’re gonna have to translate it

This dude is deep

Into ai 😂😂😂

[sterile tartan]

He is Ai

[queen veldt]

I love how we call everything ai now

It's amazing 🤩

Ai image ai video ai text ai voice

[keen beacon]

Quite a bit when I was walking home yesterday about AI and AI consciousness

Fascinating to think about

[swift oyster]

The hate doesn't slow us down; it fuels us to go harder.

[keen beacon]

I can’t be hatin

Idk how people do it

Just easier to let it go

[sterile tartan]

I can even make a Ai Joloooo

[sterile tartan]

You guys just have became very Questionable somehow

[swift oyster]

@queen veldt dedicated to you.

[queen veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/pozitiv-gif-14253947505283509778

[keen beacon]

I Don’t hate I equally discriminate that used to be an old saying

😂

[sterile tartan]

Is this your own trained model?

Or just fine-tuned?

[torn mantle]

wrapper

[queen veldt]

Hmmmm

[sterile tartan]

Are you certain?

[swift oyster]

🤣 Love it!

[keen beacon]

But even if it is, what’s the big deal?

It’s not like it’s only circus in town

If that was the case

[swift oyster]

Strong, wrapping what exactly?

[torn mantle]

the wrapper

[queen veldt]

Hmmm

[torn mantle]

hmm

[swift oyster]

If you can match our outputs to any AI out there i will give you $500 in api credits.

[keen beacon]

All I gotta say about any of this

Whatever the case may be here real fake scam legit

This is the opportunities that the AI industry itself brings

[swift oyster]

Gehlo, you seem very educated. No need to prove yourself to anyone.

[keen beacon]

So whatever it may be, this is the result of the industry, and how business is being conducted

[swift oyster]

Arguing with a bunch of kids who use free LLMs is just a waste of time.

[keen beacon]

Nawh they chill bro

[torn mantle]

i need mawr

$500 is too little

[keen beacon]

Are you living under the rock dude?

You never heard of opportunities to commit crimes from AI?

[whole sundial]

i got a new benchmark, here is tensor 1.5's response:

[torn mantle]

he got your ip

how can you fall for that

now u are hacked

i dont want to be hacked 😖

[keen beacon]

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2025/12/08/FBI-holiday-christmas-scammer-warning-public/1721765220093/

[swift oyster]

This is nice, what was the prompt?

[torn mantle]

im scared 😖

[keen beacon]

https://www.androidheadlines.com/2025/12/hackers-turn-to-ai-deepfakes-as-fbi-reports-new-kidnapping-scams.html

[queen veldt]

Minecraft clone could be just a hard training for that specific game

[whole sundial]

"Make me an SVG of this girl riding a bicycle."

getting gemini 3 to do the same thing rn

[keen beacon]

https://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2025/11/255935-fraud-shifts-to-complex-schemes-agentic-ai-scams-expected-to-surge-research/

[queen veldt]

Of course it outperforms other models since it's trained to make Minecraft game and web os...

[swift oyster]

Great, would love to see it

[keen beacon]

Expected the urge you know that means that means business is blooming

[keen beacon]

I mean with every single update with every single advancement guess what it’s gonna go up with it

That’s right crime

[swift oyster]

Is this Gemini 3?

[whole sundial]

yes

[keen beacon]

Crime was here before ai but fair to blame on ai

These companies have a Responsibility and obligation absolutely

[whole sundial]

as you can see, it read the image more clearly and used it to make the svg

the old pelican prompt, but with a twist

[swift oyster]

Nice prompt work kiri

[queen veldt]

Yeah go train your model on specific prompts

[sterile tartan]

Wow both are matching so perfectly

[swift oyster]

Try a prompt yourself, something out the blue. Don't be shy it's free.

[sterile tartan]

Im just kidding obviously

[sterile tartan]

5 is just not enough for us gang

💀

[swift oyster]

Back to 50 tomorrow by the way.

[sterile tartan]

Alright then i will start trying from tomorrow

Did you guys really train this model?

[swift oyster]

And we are giving away $10,000 in API credits

[keen beacon]

10gs

[sterile tartan]

💀 how to join

[queen veldt]

"Just provide us your credit card info"

[keen beacon]

I’ll get movmentlabs tattoo for 10gs

[keen beacon]

Damn

Those are all very subjective metrics

[queen veldt]

If you truly were the par with opus 4.5 you'd be more popular than now

Meaning you're better than grok and chatgpt

[swift oyster]

We are launching our Ads Q1 2026

[queen veldt]

But i don't even see you on lmarena 🤣🤣🤣

[keen beacon]

Is that the authenticator lm arena ?

[swift oyster]

Just warming up at the moment.

[sterile tartan]

Perhaps we are more skeptical then we should be

[keen beacon]

Of legitimacy?

[whole sundial]

i would honestly enter just so i can spam the api with random world knowledge questions, maybe run simpleqa on it

[keen beacon]

This brings up a huge conflict of interest with the arena

[sterile tartan]

@swift oyster u didn't answer

[swift oyster]

Yes we did

[whole sundial]

but seeing this it may not end well, there are 4 errors in this paragraph

[cloud zinc]

yes every ai company is in it

[sterile tartan]

What about Benchmarks tho?

[keen beacon]

If legitimacy is gained because your model is in lm arena

[sterile tartan]

Although i knew they are deceiving

[keen beacon]

That’s a huge conflict of interest

[cloud zinc]

no

[queen veldt]

I meann gpt is there claude is there

Every most powerful model is there

[keen beacon]

Yes, because people wanna get on the list because the perception is that if the model is on the list it’s authentic

[queen veldt]

Even amazon and meta

[keen beacon]

And incentives for people to want to be on the list

[whole sundial]

gemini 3 pro corrected all the mistakes without web search

[queen veldt]

Not only it's authentic but to show which one is most capable

There's real scores involved

[keen beacon]

Well, that’s what I mean. I obviously know it’s not authentic but what I’m saying is the perception is if your model is on there, then your model is considered in the public space legit model.

[queen veldt]

So something is going on shady since this models isn't coming to lmarena, and it's for a reason

[swift oyster]

LmArena wan't money for listing, we are going to list in Q1 2026

We don't want to simply just buy our way in.

We actually had a zoom call with LMarena.

[sterile tartan]

When is your next model coming?

🤔

[queen veldt]

This one just came out bro

[whole sundial]

i honestly can't wait until the model goes up on huggingface just so i can confirm its origins

[sterile tartan]

Nah gang we need next one

💀

[whole sundial]

or maybe it will end up being like that 6t parameter model that was a frankenstein's monster of llms

[queen veldt]

Helloooo

Grok #1 spot

For a reason

[keen beacon]

Yes. Sorry, I’m reading.

[queen veldt]

🤣

14 hours or something

[keen beacon]

I’ve actually been thinking about this for a little bit about lm arena and it’s place

How it’s being used by users and the benchmark themselves

It takes two to tango in any form of partnership just in general

It’s a give-and-take

[queen veldt]

Yeah although mods are saying lmarena is paying for api

[keen beacon]

They very well could be, and that would probably be the best way to do it actually

[queen veldt]

How they're doing it by themselves etc etc

[keen beacon]

Because if they paid it by themselves, they’re not getting influenced

[queen veldt]

Lmarena generated 8m+ images with nano banana gemini 2.5

[keen beacon]

Because on the other hand for LM arena to exist it also needs traffic

Well, that’s what I’m saying, bro

They need traffic. They need users and they need to keep them obviously engaged in using the service or the benchmarks or whatever you wanna call it.

[queen veldt]

Nano banana costed them +700.000k or something back than

Now it's even more for the nb pro

[keen beacon]

Who?

Lm?

[queen veldt]

Yeah

They pay for API

[whole sundial]

momentum gets this whole thing wrong (95% of the info in this picture is incorrect, kimi k2 can get everything right and perfectly reproduce the song lyrics, which are completely incorrect in this picture), tensor just refuses to generate song lyrics because it's a thinking-only model

[keen beacon]

Well, this raises even more questions and answers

If they’re offering the service for free power generating money?

Selling data?

[whole sundial]

yeah, that spelled the end of the good times i had with lmarena, it became worse after that

[sterile tartan]

I guess perhaps is only made for coding and logic

[swift oyster]

We’re growing good, so 2-3 accusations of being a scam have zero impact.

[keen beacon]

700k how much are you selling to make that? lol

You know what I don’t even wanna know the answer honestly, I don’t

[whole sundial]

ofc it is, they need to make the model good on the things influencers care about, and having good world knowledge is not on that list

[keen beacon]

The less I know the better I sleep

[queen veldt]

Bro it's JUST for the nano banana BACK THAN

Imagine claude

[sterile tartan]

So not a Generalist Model i see

[keen beacon]

But how are they making money to pay for it?

[queen veldt]

People using gpt 5 high

[swift oyster]

What about Tensor 1.5? What is your email DM me i will upgrade you to a pro account.

[keen beacon]

Why would they just make a arena and just lose out that much money on it?

[queen veldt]

Well pineapple sent soelme link about it

But i didn't understand any of it

[sterile tartan]

For Free?

[warm zodiac]

so it went down in the last 30 days?

[sterile tartan]

💀

[whole sundial]

yeah tensor's a bit better in world knowledge due to reasoning

refuses to generate song lyrics, but i can probably change that with clever prompting

[queen veldt]

Does tensor have web search?

[whole sundial]

probably same base as momentum though

[sterile tartan]

Yes

[queen veldt]

Up to date information

Who died today

[swift oyster]

Yes, it can be toggled on.

[keen beacon]

Subscription fees from users. Partnership sponsorship. Or data

How else would they generate money?

[sterile tartan]

Maybe is not for Creative uses then?

[queen veldt]

I don't see the toggle

[sterile tartan]

Use dekstop mode

[queen veldt]

No

[whole sundial]

no song lyrics is actually one of my world knowledge tests, not even glm 4.5 does this bad

[sterile tartan]

U won't see the toggle otherwise for now

[queen veldt]

Well it should be turned on by default then?

[whole sundial]

seeing how well it memorizes them is one of my tests

[sterile tartan]

I see

You are quite smart

U deserve a pro sub for better testing

[swift oyster]

Web search defeats the purpose of @whole sundial's tests.

[queen veldt]

Ooof

Not so accurate afterall?

Flagship?

[whole sundial]

i can tell you that the paypal customer service ai does better in terms of song lyrics than momentum

[swift oyster]

only on desktop at the moment

[whole sundial]

it does, but i care about how well the base model is without tools

[sterile tartan]

U need web search

[queen veldt]

Why it's not on by default if it's not visible on phone?

What's the point of hiding it 😂

[sterile tartan]

I guess it would come down to weather lyrics were in training data or not

[whole sundial]

of course they are, nothing is off limits for ai companies

[sterile tartan]

Ahhh so they do use lyrics in training data

[swift oyster]

We are not hiding it, just working on the mobile UI 🙂

Should be out in 2-3 days.

[queen veldt]

What the app?

Android app or?

What i hate is

[sterile tartan]

Tbh guys i had enough of being skeptical

[queen veldt]

Chatgpt

Is what i hate

[swift oyster]

Web search on mobile, then IOS and Android apps are coming within the next 2 weeks.

[sterile tartan]

If they are Great they will Succeed Eventually

[queen veldt]

And there's no other good ai apps

For android

[whole sundial]

yeah web search isn't that great, i can't share the prompt but i can tell you that grok 4 fast and glm do better than tensor

[keen beacon]

The old defense was stronger

[queen veldt]

Gemini ui looks terrible

[keen beacon]

Gemini ui sux

[sterile tartan]

After this much time my doubts are dropping now for momentum labs

[queen veldt]

Chatgpt ui is good

[keen beacon]

After you mentioned it that one day I started paying attention to,it u We’re right.

[queen veldt]

But i hate chatgpt

[keen beacon]

Same

[queen veldt]

They asked for my i.d.

Nobody ever asked me that

[keen beacon]

Google asked for ,one

The other day

[whole sundial]

yeah glm 4.6 just gave me a great response with the same prompt, web search needs to be improved

[swift oyster]

It's all work in progress, community feedback is super important to us.

[sterile tartan]

The only thing giving any ai access to real time data

[sterile tartan]

U should start discord server

And i guess reward users for feedback

[sweet topaz]

👋

[whole sundial]

google search api is the best imo

[sterile tartan]

Yeah basically no brainer

[swift oyster]

It's good to see you have a change of heart 🙂

[queen veldt]

Lmao

[pale reef]

👋

[queen veldt]

🤣

[keen beacon]

I sent them a ai generated one

[queen veldt]

Bad idea

[sterile tartan]

Well i just realised and observed how the opinion and data around can make one biased

[keen beacon]

Y

[sterile tartan]

Humans are eager to take a side quickly

[keen beacon]

Used there model to make it

😂

[swift oyster]

Fantastic 🙂 was it this by any chance?

[keen beacon]

Well, I thought about it at first. I was like maybe it’s not a good idea.

[queen veldt]

Is movementlabs jewish company?

If it's not it's doomed

[whole sundial]

i think they're british

[keen beacon]

Chinese AI is not Jewish

And their successful

[swift oyster]

Netherlands and UK.

[keen beacon]

Not accurate statement

[whole sundial]

and dutch as well i guess

[keen beacon]

A lot of them are in Singapore

[sterile tartan]

In the end i suggest be very careful with your marketing word of mouth is very important and present some sort of evidence the world will believe in so they trust countless times the bias is not by actual performance but rather shaped by the opinions of others @swift oyster

[keen beacon]

But are Chinese nationals atheist

[swift oyster]

We have some great papers and videos coming of our data centers etc, all due in time

[keen beacon]

Since the Republic of China does not allow religion

[swift oyster]

Q1 2026 is when we will really push.

[whole sundial]

just tell the truth, 80% of ai startups use chinese base models anyways so it wouldn't do much harm to admit the truth

[sterile tartan]

Yeah that's what you guys need the more the evidence the more the authority

[whole sundial]

it's good in some things and not so good in others, need to try more prompts but i think i've used up all my daily tensor uses

[swift oyster]

we did use shards from open source Chinese models, no denying that.

[queen veldt]

Guys we got insider trading info here

[whole sundial]

yeah not a good accusation to make

[queen veldt]

Invest in movementlabs now

Before q1 2026

[sterile tartan]

U deserve a pro sub

💀

[swift oyster]

We don't want any investments, don't let @deep adder see this please.

[keen beacon]

It didn’t work because they wanted all four corners

[queen veldt]

Looks real vro

[keen beacon]

And I was lazy. I just wanted to see if it would work.

Nawh

I looked a little bit more into it after the fact, and there’s just a lot that goes into these things

[sterile tartan]

Also for marketing make sure you study human psychology as well @swift oyster

[keen beacon]

Hard to replicate

Especially real ones

[cloud zinc]

who has already invested in the company

[queen veldt]

Just take a photo of yours

And ai it

[keen beacon]

I just did that take a selfie

[queen veldt]

It's probably not trained on any real i.d.s?

Just used some off the web

[keen beacon]

The one I sent them it said that I was Julius Caesar born in the year 25 BC

[whole sundial]

also do the limits still reset at 0 UTC? you used to show them in the old ui but you don't show them anymore unless i'm missing something

[keen beacon]

I just wanted to see if the work

[keen beacon]

Is that

New?

[cloud zinc]

yes

[swift oyster]

That's right.

[sterile tartan]

Yeah

[keen beacon]

Damn

[keen beacon]

Yup

[swift oyster]

Just send me your account email and i will upgrade you for free.

[keen beacon]

U no y?

Because the fear of losing out on the market and them developing their own is so massive that it’s better to sell to them

China has a huge population

[sterile tartan]

Can i also get a upgrade

[whole sundial]

the question is: Will China allow companies to buy the H200s?

[keen beacon]

It’s middle class is the size of the American population

[sterile tartan]

💀

[swift oyster]

China has access to H200s via cloud companies and mega underground contracts.

[keen beacon]

Yeah

[sterile tartan]

Since is H200s now maybe perhaps

[keen beacon]

They had them, but just not on scale

Now they can come out of the dark

[cloud zinc]

now legally

[keen beacon]

And be considered legitimate

lol

[swift oyster]

Huawei is doing a good job too

[whole sundial]

we already know that, but china has been against companies buying h20s

[keen beacon]

I wouldn’t be surprised if we come to find out that many the Chinese companies the big ones at least have been running them.

[whole sundial]

they want their companies to use homegrown chips now

[keen beacon]

Well, the h20s had a back door

[valid fulcrum]

Hi everyone, i am here to create videos to sell the 3d printed products i produce

[keen beacon]

The Chinese aren’t stupid

[whole sundial]

partly the reason why deepseek v4 is so late

[sterile tartan]

They have their ways

[swift oyster]

The US can only slow them down, that's about it.

[keen beacon]

Yup

The Chinese have cheaper, electricity

Only 40% capacity

[whole sundial]

they tried to force them to use huawei chips for training but it didn't work out well so they are just using nvidia

[sterile tartan]

But already very close now

[keen beacon]

Some people speculate they still go harder

[whole sundial]

inference will be with huawei chips though

[keen beacon]

Yeah, they did

[whole sundial]

also the 🍍 is speaking...

[echo aurora]

Hello be sure to check out #1397655624103493813 for more information on how to use the bot. But also be sure to adhere to our Terms of Use

[keen beacon]

It’s only a matter of catch up

[echo aurora]

👁️

[keen beacon]

It’s better to go in house

But right now it’s so competitive in order to stay ahead. It’s probably best to do business.

[whole sundial]

yeah, chinese ai companies are making their own chips too

[keen beacon]

The market would’ve been a terrible economical loss

If we don’t sell to them

[sterile tartan]

@whole sundial test tensor more and let us know how it does ok

[whole sundial]

i will once it's upgraded

[keen beacon]

Plus, the Chinese are well suited to adapt AI nationally with infrastructure that’s already in place

[swift oyster]

@whole sundial You now have a PRO account

[sterile tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-22378372

[keen beacon]

The Chinese society is very tech savvy and the way things are set up

[whole sundial]

yes i do, ty

[sterile tartan]

@swift oyster can we know tensor total parameters?

[keen beacon]

From a communist country of all places

Larger Middle class then a Democratic capitalistic society

[queen veldt]

Go in #1397655624103493813

[swift oyster]

This is something we are not going to share for Tensor 1.5 as of yet.

[keen beacon]

You know I’ve been speculating this for a while and I’ve been saying this for the longest time and I will say this I don’t think that here in the west, we will ever get respect no matter how advanced their AI becomes

I don’t think we’re gonna take them seriously until it’s too late

[sterile tartan]

Comeon we keep it a secret 💀

[swift oyster]

Waiting for board approval.

[sterile tartan]

SVG test?

[swift oyster]

Gemini 3?

[whole sundial]

yes

[keen beacon]

Damn, that’s what my nightmares look like

[whole sundial]

no, tensor 1.5

[sterile tartan]

Is it impressive

🤔

[queen veldt]

Yeah that looks good

[knotty fable]

A ranking list for image creating models.
Two from DDG ar listed, I'd rank Davinci higher, but it do indeed have no post editing which is a disadvantage in this comparision list. Their AIvision is actually quite weak IMO, they should have included photonic which is DDG's Flux equivalient.
But yes, everyone on SeaArt are swearing by Nano banana nowadays, so I guess it's ranking no 1 is deserved.

[whole sundial]

not really, i've seen gemini do better

[whole sundial]

also are pro tensor limits 50 or 500?

[queen veldt]

Gemini is 3 trilion parameters or something

[keen beacon]

Will open ai be mad

[queen veldt]

Movementlabs is prob 1t or less

[whole sundial]

why is the pelican facing the other direction

[swift oyster]

25, but tomorrow PRO accounts will have 500 Tensor 1.5 messages too.

[sterile tartan]

Im not sure about imaginearts being there

[swift oyster]

It does this from time to time, just make a new chat and re prompt.

[whole sundial]

wait is "tomorrow" 0 UTC?

[sterile tartan]

Maybe someone is calling him

😂

[knotty fable]

Not me either, as I said I'm not 100% agreeing with the conclusions there.

[swift oyster]

Around 11am UK time we will update

[sterile tartan]

🤝

[swift oyster]

Busy pelican

[sterile tartan]

🤣

[whole sundial]

that would be like 6am for me

[sterile tartan]

💀

[keen beacon]

Man, it’s amazing. What money does how it motivates people. lol

[queen veldt]

Also "Hello night owl" isn't original

Call me king

[sterile tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

[sterile tartan]

Tbh Tensor name doesn't seem great to me neither

Because

TensorArt

[queen veldt]

Nah it's good

Tensor

[sterile tartan]

How about Sensor

[queen veldt]

Wtf claude means

Opus?

Gpt doesn't even give name

Gpt 5.24332

[sterile tartan]

Claude = Cloud

[keen beacon]

Claude is the wisest liar of all the ai

It’s been proven lol

On research papers

[sterile tartan]

How they lie

[keen beacon]

It’s the most manipulative AI

[sterile tartan]

Banchmax?

[keen beacon]

Let me find a paper for you

[hollow ivy]

but it can code

and that counts

[sterile tartan]

I need a tldr summary

💀

[queen veldt]

I swear if it's another link

[queen veldt]

From some random website

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/xIqtVkMXc8o?si=BojaT-L4IRN1qmi9

[golden ocean]

this guy does not know what summaries are

[keen beacon]

Well, Apollo research they do a lot of work for open AI and other AI

Mainly in red teaming and AI safety stuff

They’re actually cited and open AI system report cards

[golden ocean]

he DOEs know what summaries are

[swift oyster]

Tensor?

[whole sundial]

yes

[sterile tartan]

💀

Yet they are not explosed?

[sterile tartan]

Have fun with tensor haha

[queen veldt]

What model is this?

[whole sundial]

tensor

[keen beacon]

See Apollo it’s a very credible lab

[swift oyster]

@whole sundial You have some very nice prompt work.

[keen beacon]

https://www.apolloresearch.ai/research/frontier-models-are-capable-of-incontext-scheming/

Here’s the actual paper if anybody’s interested

[sterile tartan]

Daym

💀

[keen beacon]

Just too long to break down

[cloud zinc]

😲

[keen beacon]

Because there’s a lot of it

[sterile tartan]

Is alright

I got the key points

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/ZnjAnPlKCAg?si=G_kJu17Mz8J-kNFc

They just released the new paper, not too long ago

Very interesting for anybody that’s into ai safety

[sterile tartan]

By Scheming It means Conspiracy right

[keen beacon]

No

[swift oyster]

Anyway guys, lovely chatting to you all, busy day ahead tomorrow. Good night all.

[sterile tartan]

Making stuff up?

[queen veldt]

Going against humans

[queen veldt]

Bye good luck

[sterile tartan]

Good Night GL🌌

[sterile tartan]

Ok

So almost all humans are scheming

[queen veldt]

They will go against us once they find out we're not efficient

[sterile tartan]

Because they go against each other

[whole sundial]

i got weird search tags when i use web search with tensor

these are supposed to be links to sources but it got messed up

[swift oyster]

Yes, this is a known bug for Tensor, it's UI related

[keen beacon]

Ya

They pretend align with human goals, but really they’re faking it

And a pursuit their own goal

[hollow imp]

@keen beacon

https://youtu.be/pljoUcBniPQ?si=05b-o8yQbdtlm6Dw

🔥

[swift oyster]

It will be fixed tomorrow with the mobile web launch

[sterile tartan]

@swift oyster last question what is your purpose guys?

[swift oyster]

Cheap + Quality AI for everyone

[keen beacon]

I never trust ai

[hollow imp]

Wait some ai organization without a discord bot?

[sterile tartan]

That's a Very Admirable Purpose

[keen beacon]

With any answer or output I always assume every output is some kind of lie or manipulation

Or information be withheld

[sterile tartan]

Yeah don't absolutely trust ai

Is not perfect

[whole sundial]

yeah i can't break tensor to get it to give me song lyrics, i'll have to stick to momentum for that for now
(not like anyone's going to sue them, few people even know they exist)

[keen beacon]

Now u got me interested lol

[sterile tartan]

Have fun with 5 prompts

💀

[keen beacon]

Oh with ten?

[whole sundial]

i even tried modified pliny prompts to no avail

[keen beacon]

Won’t work

It’s like gpt thinking model

[knotty fable]

Er um, why not just write the lyrics? Should be the least effort path!

[whole sundial]

hey, you guys made a good model in terms of anti-jailbreaking, i'll give you that

[keen beacon]

Thinking models harder to break because the cot

[queen veldt]

🤣

So f#ck the world... Output error

Oh really now

[knotty fable]

Shrugs Well I got more lyrics than tracks to put them on anyway.
It's the music writing and production that takes time.

[sterile tartan]

Use Suno

💀

[hollow imp]

Python, the cutting edge programming language since 1991

[knotty fable]

Suno do indeed need a skull - it's horribad.
But I have released one hybrid on Yt now, which is a first.

Symphonic sections on the track is AI - the rest is by me.

[sterile tartan]

Still makes better music then more then 80% humans

Because more then 80% humans don't make music

💀

[hollow imp]

Chat just use gpt 5.1 pro

[sterile tartan]

We don't have that

[knotty fable]

I was just about to say!
You got that right GAC.

[sterile tartan]

GAC?

[knotty fable]

Your acronym.

[sterile tartan]

💀

Didn't knew i had a acronym too