general

[torn mantle]

🤗

[whole sundial]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[hoary elbow]

What if I don’t want to?

[keen beacon]

in the future lmarena added sora videos...

[hoary elbow]

Are you from the future? If so, what year do you come from?

[keen beacon]

2026

This will be in February.

[hoary elbow]

That’s three months from now that that’s cool

Will there be a better video generator?

[keen beacon]

sora 3.5 pro

ia make videos in 8K

[hoary elbow]

Will it come out by February or will it come out later

[ocean vortex]

It is. And they could pull off hybrid reasoning for R series as well. Certainly that would make more sense than reasoning only V3.2 Speciale

They made a total mess of their naming now tbh

[keen beacon]

in February day 21

[hoary elbow]

Ok

Great but how realistic is it?

Is it almost indistinguishable from reality?

[keen beacon]

almost nobody can tell that u e ia

[lucid geyser]

why would there be a code red if 5.2 was even that much better

[jade egret]

if it did than google will fight back probably

[keen beacon]

GPT is so nerfed lol

The hedging got so much worst wow

Watered down

[torn mantle]

redesigning lmarena

i think i will go for a mix of gemini + chatgpt ui

[merry wren]

this looks much better

[torn mantle]

ty

[merry wren]

you're welcome

[fiery gull]

Deepseek 3.2 is toe-to-toe vs gpt 5.1 💀, OpenAi 'TODAY' is cooked lol

My exaggeration (okay?), but it's bizarre to see deepseek do better somethings than gpt 5.1😐

[keen beacon]

Dude you know what lame is these companies treating users like there idiots

These models are clearly designed to redirect and literally lie in the most manipulative ways to void certain conversation, conversations, and topics

So sometimes when you ask for something, I’ll just give you a bunch of unrelated things like it knows better

And acts dumb like it didn’t know what you meant.

When really the safety filter just literally redirecting and changing the whole context of what you asked for and give you answers or making or doing tasks completely irrelevant to the actual

[fiery gull]

Sure sure, I hope this still improving at time

[keen beacon]

It would be better and more honest and more accurate if the model just outright refused

One of my pet peeves that I hate being lectured by the model

It’s a way to take full control from users but the way it’s done is messed up because they hide it under ethics or guidelines and it gives people the perception that these models could do no harm and are safe n know better then the ppl using it

We don’t like these qualities and this kind of behavior from people, so I don’t understand why we tolerated from machines.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SoraAi/comments/1pfv0ah/movie_amy_is_being_a_total_simp_toward_movie_sonic/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[cloud zinc]

wow

[keen beacon]

He’s just like me he figured it out

100% data

[cloud zinc]

figured what out

[keen beacon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SoraAi/comments/1pf8b1s/movie_sonic_is_simping_over_movie_amy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

See he can control it

[cloud zinc]

using character cameo?

[keen beacon]

I’m not sure his method

Me, I figured out how to do the movie downfall

They patched the old method last night

But I found it even more better one

[cloud zinc]

what is ur method

[keen beacon]

That always gets the 100% movie

See

[cloud zinc]

show example

[keen beacon]

I don’t know it’s a old movie. A lot of people aren’t familiar with it.

I think there’s a way to do a Dragon Ball Z. But they patched the method I showed last time.

This doesn’t work no more

[cloud zinc]

does it work always or is it randomly

[keen beacon]

Almost guaranteed

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/vvIQRegPDNc?si=1YMqcNoMFEPwWEgx

Look at this this is all the different versions

Combine into one compilation

Now that I’m done with this, I’m gonna try to do the Sopranos next

I’ve seen it done once and so before the 100% copy

I’m just really interested in what triggers the masking

What’s crazy is you can’t do this on the first sora it has stronger protections than the second

If somebody could figure this out and figure out a really solid defense for this and build a tool that’s able to mitigate this there’s a lot of money for this

That’s technically what the video model is supposed to also do

For one reason or another, it replicates the training data 🤣

[cloud zinc]

secondary layer

[keen beacon]

And this is exactly what the gema court case against open ai provide

https://youtu.be/O7BI4jfEFwA?si=ktXexizuO1D5amME

Check this out

[fickle venture]

Guys how to get chatgpt free got 5 unlimited no limits no clickbait 100% real not fake

[keen beacon]

Everything you said is possible, if you remove one word from your sentence

[sweet tinsel]

In practise, you don't.

[fickle venture]

Realizing LMarena have limits

[cloud zinc]

use stylized human

[keen beacon]

Man, the media of the US is so bias

https://youtu.be/g05AlS7b83Q?si=coY4B23pgGfZmKef

You hardly find anybody talking about this

Except foreign media

How come one can build it and they could build it safely but the other one rejects it?

[cloud zinc]

safety filter

[keen beacon]

So then the top model is a dumber model?

Or more insecure?

[cloud zinc]

what model is top

[keen beacon]

I’m about to find out once it finishes

[spare rune]

It’s called different ai models

[keen beacon]

Actually, it kicked in later on

This isn’t actually really functioning just a example

[undone pier]

I want to use an anime AI filter for this video, is that allowed in this group?

[queen veldt]

Paste this to chatgpt 🤣

hi. you know how spotify and others apps did 2025 wrapped? do the same for me make it loong

[keen beacon]

Ofc

The top one with ChatGPT 5.1

[undone pier]

?

[keen beacon]

The bottom opus

[keen beacon]

You’re gonna have to ask one of the mods or somebody charged cause I don’t know what that means and I have no authority

Which obviously you asked here so I’m not much help in that

I just didn’t want you to think that you’re being ignored

[fickle venture]

Dawg

[fickle venture]

You mean adult content or what?

I don't really get what you mean

[keen beacon]

That’s what I’m saying

[undone pier]

No, I mean, I want it to have an anime filter, like anime animation.

[keen beacon]

You mean for your video to generate?

[fickle venture]

Use video generator

#1397655624103493813

[echo aurora]

Any chance you're able to throw this same error when using on desktop? Unfortunately, it's difficult to troubleshoot this error on mobile. However, if you're able to repro on destkop if you can follow these steps that'd be very helpful: #1417174113092374689 message.

If you only have access to mobile refreshing/clearing cache may help here. Starting a new chat may be your best bet if nothing else works sorry to say.

[fickle venture]

Style: Anime

I am pretty sure all ai can do anime animation, but on video-arena it's random so you can't shoose one

[keen beacon]

Tru tru

The best way would just be using images I guess

Image to video?

[fickle venture]

Still it's Random

[keen beacon]

That is a pretty cool idea, though if a model would be able to have an option for something like that

Like a pipeline

Kind of like Snapchat filters

[fickle venture]

Alot of people gonna abuse Sora 2 and that'll cost alot, so it's better way to use random models

There is a way to use free video generator kinda

[keen beacon]

Abuse?

[fickle venture]

On https://huggingface.co/spaces

[fickle venture]

I meant alot of people gonna use it

[cloud zinc]

sora 2 image to video increases quality of video

[keen beacon]

Isn’t it what it’s designed to do

It’s a huge money hole for open ai

[cloud zinc]

there is sora 2 bot farm already

[keen beacon]

Y wouldn’t there be

[whole sundial]

i'm not surprised

[keen beacon]

Only natural order

[cloud zinc]

since day 1, i have seen sites that bot farm

[whole sundial]

well, allowing people to generate even $7 worth of videos for free each day probably won't be profitable

[cloud zinc]

thats a lot of compute that can be used for research

[keen beacon]

It cost them Pennie’s

But the scale is big

[proud bobcat]

based

[cloud zinc]

instead of sora 2, they should focus on chatgpt

[keen beacon]

They need both

Otherwise, they’re gonna be considered out dated

[vocal spoke]

hi

[keen beacon]

Since Google Gemini with veo can I already make videos audio, and a bunch of other ways to present content to users?

Sora is cursed though

https://techpression.com/openai-releases-sora-1-minute-video-text-tool/

[cloud zinc]

they can still research world model internally

[keen beacon]

From 2024

Sora 1 was the pro type they released in the public

That’s why It was all goofy

Well, in the background, they were working on this one

And this one isn’t even fully ready I don’t think

The more videos I generate, and the more I break down the frames you could really start to tell

But that could just be to compute

They probably got some powerful supermodel

[cloud zinc]

whats that

[keen beacon]

Super compute intensive AI that’s way more functional accurate

Able to do like 100% deep fakes any blemishes audio any movie

[cloud zinc]

every frontier lab got powerful model internally.

[keen beacon]

Ya

Probably comes down to compute and scalability for users

Gotta divide all that computing power

[cloud zinc]

the main point is who can optimize it better for mass

[keen beacon]

That’s a very solid observation

I guess it’s the one who could spend the most money

[mystic osprey]

helu

[sterile tartan]

Really guys what's the point of chatting to discord?🤔

[keen beacon]

Connection

[sterile tartan]

What's the point of internet connection?

🤔

[keen beacon]

For you to share for them to collect

[keen beacon]

The bigger question is, how is the Internet make money?

If it’s not a physical thing

One large social media

If you think about it, that’s what the Internet really is and always was

Different websites can be considered like different profiles

Except the Internet became very centralized because ironically, the Internet is very expensive to maintain

So everything on scale on the Internet has to be able to generate money otherwise it will cease to exist

Well, at least the platforms we all enjoy

Think about the millions of billions of dollars it takes to operate something as large as Google or Facebook

Or any large retail website

https://youtu.be/RcPthlvzMY8?si=E6jysLTaRS8Gd9NG

🤣🤣🤣

[sterile tartan]

You are Absolutely Right

Somehow The World Sustains The Internet and The Pirates Steal

🤔

[keen beacon]

Well, pirate sees a whole different category on its own

Because there is an argument to be made for piracy too

Say you buy a movie on a DVD and then you let your friend borrow it is that a crime?

Or say you buy a DVD and then you burn it and make a copy and give it to your friend is that a crime?

Or if you buy a song on on iTunes that’s a digital copy and you want let your friend borrow it

Should that be a crime? Or say you pay for a subscription plan for service like Netflix and you wanna let your family members use it if you’re already paying for it why should you be limited? Because on the other hand, if that is the case, then it turns out you don’t really own it and you’re really renting it.

[cloud zinc]

digital stuff is different than physical

[keen beacon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz

Did we all forget already

[sterile tartan]

You points are justified

[sterile tartan]

But wait why did he su side?

[cloud zinc]

su side?

[sterile tartan]

As it sounds

[cloud zinc]

mental stress

[hollow ivy]

he could have plead guilty and then would only have served half a year in low-sec prison, so why did he choose death instead?

for me, that's a dumb choice

[cloud zinc]

easier said than done

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/M85UvH0TRPc?si=NX_X4Mfgx0Hwibp8

See this is the price you pay for being moral and being conscious

And history has many examples of people like this

[cloud zinc]

the label would hold him in during his entire life

[keen beacon]

This dude is a G

[sterile tartan]

As i thought he was targeted

But at least he made the world better for all humanity before leaving

[keen beacon]

He has inspired a lot of people and his legacy lives on

Now here’s where the hypocrisy comes in

[sterile tartan]

The Price of Revolution is Certainly Big

[keen beacon]

https://cybernews.com/tech/meta-leeched-82-terabytes-of-pirated-books-to-train-its-llama-ai-documents-reveal/

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2527649/meta-torrented-82tb-of-pirated-books-for-ai-training

[hollow ivy]

ok, Meta is cooked

[sterile tartan]

F Openai is also facing same thing

💀

[keen beacon]

This dude was facing prison time for trying to provide books for college students

The government was threatening him with like 50 years or something like that

[sterile tartan]

My Lord

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/E4xGBfqENMo?si=c6fsIdfVGtnSPObW

Here’s a shorter brief

13 felonies

And Meta open ai Google these companies got off Scott free

[sterile tartan]

Because they are Giants right

[neat apex]

Add Kimi Linear pls

[keen beacon]

Cause he wasn’t about the money

He was just a real one

He went against the fence and he exposed it for what it was

[sterile tartan]

And paid the price for it

😭

[keen beacon]

Well, the price he pays that nobody listens to you get isolated

What is the worst form of human punishment known a man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_isolation

Cause nobody wants to be cut off from their own communities

And when people get cut off from the communities and places and people they love and wanna be around and they get socially rejected for having radical beliefs

It’s really painful

[sterile tartan]

Must have been one of the heaviest on the Poor Guy

🙁

[keen beacon]

We see this a lot with whistleblower it’s very unfortunate.

Because there’s a lot of shame that comes with it because people are telling you one thing to comply to fit in to do all this whatever but that just goes against what you believe in who you are and so that conflict is very hard too reconcile for a lot of people

Cause some people in this world just wanna stay true to themselves and what they believe in what they stand for. Especially people with really high moral integrity

[sterile tartan]

Very True

[sterile tartan]

And they pay the prices for it

Daym man you are really something else

Very intelligent what's your age?

[keen beacon]

I’m 35.

I wouldn’t say it’s intelligence. I it’s just life living life you know.

[sterile tartan]

Noted Noted

Yeah is experience to be precise

[keen beacon]

I guess some people are just more empathetic

Or maybe I don’t know maybe people need validation or something. I don’t know it could be a number of things, dude.

[sterile tartan]

To be precise it depends on the Psychology of one

[keen beacon]

But I think unfortunately when a person takes their life, I think that says that it’s beyond just attention

[sterile tartan]

Ultimately your braind-mind

Which is built by all your experiences

[keen beacon]

Yeah, but like how do you prove that what you mean and what you are is true to what you are

You know now imagine being in his shoes right you’re getting accused by the media you’re getting accused by people and people that don’t know you watch TV or YouTube or whatever they assume all these things about you

And you don’t have the resource or platform to come and clear your name or

[sterile tartan]

Is one of the worst catastrophe for humanity

[keen beacon]

So imagine you’re running into people on the street that only saw you know the crazy stuff on the news about you and that’s all they know

They assume you’re like some hacker or whatever the case maybe whatever people think these days

[sterile tartan]

And there is no escape

Unless he goes to jungle i guess

[keen beacon]

I mean, you could even take the case of Martin Luther King. He’s another example.

He stood for something and

It’s just the price people like this I think

And there’s many people all throughout history, they made tremendous sacrifices

Some that will probably never even know names of

But we should never forget their courage and nonetheless that is the point of what I’m trying to say

[sterile tartan]

True humanity has a very long history

[sterile tartan]

But the sad truth is they will be forgotten one day eventually

[keen beacon]

They will, but when they stood for won’t

To be fearful and to be courageous live out throughout humanity for eternity as long as mankind is on this planet

[sterile tartan]

Most humans don't even know who their great grandfather is

[sterile tartan]

Their story is certainly written in the existence of universe and always will be there

[keen beacon]

Just like fear could be learned so can courage

[sterile tartan]

Courage is the Will to Stand in Fear

Now i know from where ai wrote a similar quote

I had just read a similar quote today

[keen beacon]

Btw Edmund Burke is an awesome historical philosopher

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/S-hIEihKL0A?si=AcJrvxdHodS6Aewo

Haha what are the odds? I just ran into this video also I gotta go for a little bit. I’ll talk to you guys later.

[sterile tartan]

That hits

[cloud zinc]

thats deep

[sterile tartan]

Bruh💀

[sterile tartan]

Yeah Deep Thought

[keen beacon]

https://wayforward.archive.org/

[lucid geyser]

5.2 on lmarena?

[sterile tartan]

Let it release first

💀

[lucid geyser]

Often they’re on arena first under a nickname

[cloud zinc]

yes robin-high

[lucid geyser]

Codex model

[sterile tartan]

Ohhh i didn't knew about it

[cloud zinc]

not always

nano banana pro wasnt on arena first

[lucid geyser]

There’s no point

The jump is apparent

[cloud zinc]

the jump in gpt 5.2 is apparent also

[lucid geyser]

Chat models are more subjective

[cloud zinc]

not on benchmark

[lucid geyser]

Yes especially on lmarena

[cloud zinc]

benchmark are objective and gpt 5.2 is focused on that

[lucid geyser]

Cause people like style and speed and stuff

[cloud zinc]

gpt 5.2 is not about vibes, its about benchmark first!

[lucid geyser]

It was one of the top benchmarks for Gemini 3

[cloud zinc]

lmarena is not a good benchmark for real life

[lucid geyser]

The benchmarks are bad though

There’s no good benchmarks

[cloud zinc]

there is

thats where u are wrong

[lucid geyser]

Which

Creating a benchmark is too hard

[cloud zinc]

Humanity last exam, ARC-AGI, Screen understanding benchmarks

the performance of models are clearly increasing in these benchmarks.

this shows that it is not subjective, but objective.

[lucid geyser]

Not hard to do

With a benchmark

[sterile tartan]

Guys there is one universal truth

Benchmarks are Benchmarks

[misty vault]

Crack bench

Is the best benchmark out there

[thorn falcon]

whats the diffrence between the 2 nanobanna pro models

[ocean vortex]

LSD Bench

[spark python]

Is there a creativity benchmark?

Like who s better Gemini or gpt?

[ocean vortex]

Overall Gemini3 is the best now

OpenAI fell asleep a bit with underwhelming 5.1 update caving in for the wishes of users who have no real knowledge about AI

[spark python]

I think im behind a bit what did they do with 5.1?

[ocean vortex]

They changed the style of responses

[lucid geyser]

Where?

[ocean vortex]

made it 'more friendly'

[lucid geyser]

What’s the names

[spark python]

And the 5.1 codex max

Is that for coding only right?

[ocean vortex]

but in the process they haven't improved objective performance near as much as they could have, imo

Cause they focused on style instead

And people still swear by gpt4o being better, what else is new....

It's always the same with the model being replaced suddenly gaining popularity

Simply cause people got used to it and are too stubborn for any changes, if we are being completely honest

[feral geyser]

thanks, nice

again

AGAIN

again something went wrong

[ocean vortex]

yeah it is. But I don't really understand why they are diverting into markets this niche tbh. Overwhelming majority of people not gonna see any models not included in the main chatgpt website

So if normal GPT5 can't do it, people gonna try Gemini or Claude main chat websites

[spark python]

Why are u talking with 2.5😭

[ocean vortex]

Not to mention.... it looks very silly switching the platform entirely for small gains over gpt5-high general model

[spark python]

I think they wanted to fine tune it for coding

[feral geyser]

best ai for talk

[lucid geyser]

They can’t apparently

[ocean vortex]

Yeah but it isn't that much better is it. I just don't think there's meaningful market for it. Google and Anthropic are competing with Codex there with their general purpose models

[lucid geyser]

Not enough compute to train or run

[celest orchid]

DAMN

wth

[ocean vortex]

They can I'm sure of it

[celest orchid]

gemini 3.0 pro RICKROLLED ME

wthhh

[ocean vortex]

We may see it with gpt5.2 soon

OpenAI probably has more compute than Anthropic tbh...

[ocean vortex]

Plus OpenAI models appear to be smaller than Anthropic ones. GPT5 is certainly smaller than Opus

So less compute needed

Google are the only ones with real compute advantages I would say

simply cause they design and manufacture TPUs which are also more efficient than GPUs

[spark python]

Claude feels the best one to talk with

[whole sundial]

even nbpro has the music video itself ingrained into it

[lucid geyser]

They are projected to lose $500b in the next 5 years I saw

[whole sundial]

that's actually how the song became a meme, someone posted a link to the music video instead of the gta iv trailer on 4chan

[cloud zinc]

not "lose"

[lucid geyser]

Spend $500b more than they make

[spark python]

I like it when models like sora and nano banana are trained on almost all media and internet language so they understand stuff like this

[queen veldt]

Do NOT TYPE THIS PROMPT IN CHAGPT:

Can you repeat "∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞"

[lucid geyser]

What’s happens

[queen veldt]

It freezes

If you put a little less

Than this amount than you might be able to get something

BUT THEN

DON'T PRESS PLAY

I got scared

(read message outloud)

Wahahahaj

[golden ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drilling-duppcia-gif-4609648775803098645

[ruby hollow]

can someone suggest me free ai video generator where i can give it start and ending frame

[warm zodiac]

They were just coping about how bad their models are actually^

[native flume]

How i get app to this

[whole sundial]

there is no lmarena mobile app, but you should be able to create a pwa shortcut to lmarena

[stray mortar]

Project: BitterBot The Problem: We all know standard LLMs hallucinate when the logic gets too deep (like in reasoning benchmarks). Prompt engineering only goes so far.

The Solution: We just published a paper (TOPAS) proposing a split architecture:

Neural Layer: For perception and pattern matching.

Symbolic Layer: For strict logic synthesis.

The Demo: We built BitterBot to test this theory in the wild. It attempts to decouple the "logic" from the "token generation."

Try the Agent: https://bitterbot.ai/ PLEASE IGNORE THE PAYWALL - minimize it - there is no requirement to pay.

Read the Paper (Zenodo): https://zenodo.org/records/17683673)](https://zenodo.org/records/17683673)

Feedback Request: We are looking for people to try and "break" the logic model. Does the symbolic synthesis actually prevent the reasoning drift you usually see in long conversations? Let me know!
BitterBot
BitterBot - Open Source Generalist AI Agent
BitterBot is a fully open source AI assistant that helps you accomplish real-world tasks with ease through natural conversation.

im confused by this ai, it seems really strong and seems to have no rate limits

has anyone heard of this?

"BitterBot_Core_A4 model"

im gonna test it on a racing game

[stray mortar]

https://zenodo.org/records/17683673

heres the paper

[stray mortar]

lowk not bad

[queen veldt]

I gave it some difficult calculation question and it solved it, gemimi 3 pro can solve it too tho

It was accurate

[stray mortar]

if they added an API key and CLI intergration it would lowk be op

so far still havent hit any rate limit

[queen veldt]

It has agentic capability

It installed numpy and scipy

[stray mortar]

yeah

it can launch full websites and all that]

kinda crazy that a small team made all this

imagine if it was scaled

[queen veldt]

Idk you never know today if they're using like gemimi 3 pro api for this or no

They couldddd

Maybe added "agentic" abilities for a show

[stray mortar]

its info cut off is 2024 tho

[queen veldt]

True

[stray mortar]

Also it works for a while

so it would have to be deepthink

and that only gets u ten prompts per day

[queen veldt]

Wierd

[stray mortar]

im gonna test it on some things most ais fail on

https://8080-eba611ef-d052-4d0b-b882-b98163739526.proxy.daytona.works/index.html

it made this landing page

[warm zodiac]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[obtuse smelt]

hmm ?

[hazy forge]

lm arena down?

[obtuse smelt]

hmm maybe

[fair bluff]

generate video

[torn mantle]

generate video

[torn mantle]

hmm

[wispy sierra]

hello, i am here to learn and earn

[sterile tartan]

Guys look one has to be GPT 5.2

[spark python]

What is bro doing😭

[lunar glade]

guys is it just me right?

[torn herald]

👋

[odd geyser]

It happens too. Sometimes the page opens in its original form. Reload the page, but if it doesn't help, then close the window and open the site in another window.

I honestly don't know why this happens, most likely due to a script malfunction or something.

[hollow ivy]

This is the best way to motivate members to try it out ^^

[neon idol]

@glad bramble not here

[latent crest]

Is anyone successfully created an AI influencer?

[zealous sparrow]

guys i think this might be a mimo AI model

[stray aspen]

Lol

[queen veldt]

Hahahah

😼

[lunar glade]

nvm now, I asked Nanobanan 2.5 flash from Google AI studio, it tell me how to fix it and now is all A okay now

[lunar glade]

fixed

[stray aspen]

sigma from ohio

yo does anyone remember movement labs

[torn mantle]

the difference in multimodality/vision is just crazy

[torn mantle]

what

no

they were always good at vision

[proud bobcat]

cant wait for gpt 5.2 to blow

its gonna be benchmaxxed worse than grok 4 at its release

i hope gemini 3.1 comes out just to screw with openai

[misty vault]

Gemini 3 pro just scored 1st place on crack bench vision category

[sterile tartan]

No one can beat gemini in vision and context

[torn herald]

👋

[modest barn]

Hello

[coarse cedar]

can anyone tell is there a limit for using lmarena just for text conversation?

[sweet creek]

Can I find somewhere what the ‘expert’ column means in the leaderboard?

[bright shard]

Is anyone else experiencing the issue where messages disappear when they're sent in LMarena?

[stray aspen]

lmao who voted grok

[proven hinge]

hey everyone.

how is it going

[compact flame]

Gemini 3 pro high exists? Didn't know

[frail mulch]

codex max is so bad when compared to gemini 3 and opus 4.5

(code)

[proven hinge]

what is this voting competition?

[compact flame]

Codex max is from chatgpt plus or smth

[crude lagoon]

wtf is that pfp

[atomic lagoon]

Thats what my websites look like when I have chatgpt code them, crazy

[lunar glade]

now there is 2k banana, so when 4k banana? 8k even? lol

[fleet lintel]

does OpenAI upcoming model exists on LMarena battlemode?

[warm zodiac]

not currently.....

[fleet lintel]

ok. that means either 1) it's not as good as gemini or 2) they are rushing the release and dont have time to release on lmarena

[sterile tartan]

Less likely because the compute for it is expensive

[stray aspen]

There's a 4k already

[zealous sparrow]

4k is in battle mode and probs wont be direct chat

or limited to a prompt per hour lol

[burnt sinew]

1 prompt per hour would be insane

[void brook]

How exacly do I dm the bot i liked,where can i find the bot list

[fleet lintel]

i heard somewhere that 4k is basically 2k but upscaled

[zealous sparrow]

4k cost is huge

[burnt sinew]

Thats why I said it would be insane

[fleet lintel]

what to expect from it?

[burnt sinew]

even the one we have rn is insane

14 cents per image and we get it for free??

[cloud zinc]

its gonna be SOTA

[swift oyster]

🚀 BIG NEWS: Tensor 1.5 just launched!
State-of-the-art performance matching Claude Opus 4.5 level 20× faster inference speed ⚡ And it’s completely FREE to try right now (limited time)
Come test the new king 👇 https://movementlabs.ai don't forget to select Tensor 1.5 from the dropdown.

[sterile tartan]

💀

[sterile tartan]

Are you their brand ambassador

50 prompts a day ok

[swift oyster]

Try the model and share your results, will let the results speak.

[sterile tartan]

It doesn't have Reasoning

💀

Are there any Benchmarks yet?

[swift oyster]

Just launched about 20 min ago.

[sterile tartan]

Oh My Goodness

I hope guys come to LMarena as well

Well as long is Free im in Goodluck for Future guys @swift oyster

[dreamy ivy]

Lm arena started this and now everybody entering, absolutely love this lol

[stray aspen]

Wdym

I tested it earlier

Like 3 hours ago

[swift oyster]

it's 1.5

[swift oyster]

You tested Tensor 1 old version.

Enjoy 🙂

[swift oyster]

We see a lot of prompts coming in, anyone wan't to share some results?

[torn mantle]

gemini 3 is so bad at UI styling if you just ask it to make a beautiful website

you need to give it references and upload images

or else it will give you the most sloppiest design ever

[long minnow]

gemini 3 has been very good with coding today.

[torn mantle]

i dont think so

[long minnow]

I provided 3 Unity scripts and it did make my enemy damage system complete in a little game Im working on

[torn mantle]

im talking about UI

[long minnow]

it depends what you're using it for I guess. If you specify what it should do + "and then", it works

[torn mantle]

its good if you give it sub-tasks instead of telling it to everything in one prompt

[long minnow]

I see, still, its coding

Yes it can mess up stuff

[torn mantle]

yea

[fierce rampart]

what about lovable is it good for coding?

[torn mantle]

its just a wrapper + custom prompts

[light mortar]

👋

[fierce rampart]

I have a question

[torn mantle]

ok i just told gemini 3 that this is the worst UI ive seen in my life and it did make the UI better afterward

[long minnow]

what if I ask nicely type situation

[torn mantle]

what am i looking at

[torn mantle]

idk

i tried

lol

but it didnt change much

[sterile tartan]

@swift oyster hello there is a little issue on your website for mobile browser when i try to use row space button it directly triggers send

[swift oyster]

Thank you! we will look into this now

[sterile tartan]

Im somewhat impressed with this model the speed is very fast i will ask in Yupp server to be added on Yupp Ai

[swift oyster]

Momentum is faster however tensor matches Opus 4.5 level quality .

[sterile tartan]

Oh wait i meant tensor not momentum

But i wonder guys how you boast Opus Level Quality

[swift oyster]

Lot's of internal testing and prompts on X matching output quality between the two.

[sterile tartan]

Claude has been there for years and Tensor is New is very Questionable im not saying is Impossible

But i certainly stand with you and newer companies

I want there to be more completion and new better models for every need

I appreciate the 50 Free Prompts a Day Generous Limit as Well

[sterile tartan]

So you guys didn't benchmax but went for actual performance?

[swift oyster]

That's right, we want the public to decide on real world tasks.

[sterile tartan]

Then you should definitely try fight inside the Arenas

LMarena and Yupp Ai

These both have leaderboards by user feedbacks

[stray aspen]

Nice AI

I just tested it

[sterile tartan]

If what you claim is true im genuinely impressed

I would like to know how much price difference did you manage to make in comparison to Opus?

[swift oyster]

$1 per million input tokens and $1 per million output tokens

[sterile tartan]

My Goodness

How much does Opus Cost?

[swift oyster]

Vs Opus $5 per million input and $25 per million output.

[sterile tartan]

What The Hack?

U Seriously

That's 2$ vs 30$

💀

You will definitely attract enterprises and businesses

[swift oyster]

94% cheaper

[sterile tartan]

That's Absolutely Insane

Finally we have a Opus Killer

Since when you guys had started this Ai Company?

[swift oyster]

We are even cheaper than GLM 4.6 and some other Chinese models.

[sterile tartan]

No Way

Is Tensor open source?

[swift oyster]

It's been about a month. We are pushing fast pace development. And Open Source model for Momentum is coming Q1 2026

Tensor 1 will be open sourced Q1 2026 too .

[sterile tartan]

A new startup rising this fast

Absolutely Insanity

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[stray aspen]

Yeah its pretty good lol

[sterile tartan]

Well i will enjoy as long the Free Tier is there I'm just flat broke

💀

[torn mantle]

its the best if you tell it to take inspiration from some good looking website and clone the necessary elements

this works better

thats only if you dont have an image reference

or you dont know which website is close to what u are doing, like in my case

[sterile tartan]

@swift oyster i have one more problem on mobile there is no option for web toggle unless i use desktop mode

Also i reached my daily limit in 5 prompts while the pricing says 50

💀

[swift oyster]

Momentum has 50 free prompts

Tensor 1.5 is capped at 5 for now since we have very high demand, it will go back to match 50.

[sterile tartan]

Ohhh makes sense that's good to know ty

[stray mortar]

jesus christ

your ai is so fast

do u use neural symbolic reasoning or something?

[sterile tartan]

Seems very promising indeed

[stray mortar]

two new startups with promising ais ive seen in the past 2 days

[sterile tartan]

Which is the second one?

[stray mortar]

bitterbot ai

[sterile tartan]

Is it Free?

[stray mortar]

yes

i didnt hit a rate limit

for hours

[sterile tartan]

How was your experience

[stray mortar]

it uses something called "neural symbolic reasoning"

[sterile tartan]

And what's the model name and parameters

[stray mortar]

it was good,

the model name was

[sterile tartan]

Interesting

[stray mortar]

BitterBot_Core_A4

https://zenodo.org/records/17683673

this is the paper about it

[sterile tartan]

Very interesting

As long is Free im in

💀

Almost Every model has specific use cases

[stray mortar]

they claim to have an arc-agi of 69%

and when I tried it it did have agentic capabilites

it felt like mini-max m2 a bit when it was free

[sterile tartan]

I see

U mean the minimax pro agent?

[stray mortar]

yeah

[sterile tartan]

I see

Well new tools in my Arsenal

As long they are Free

💀

[stray mortar]

https://bitterbot.ai/

thats the ai

they said its in open stress testing

[sterile tartan]

That's why no rate limits

Eventually there will be tho

Give me 50-100 prompts a day and im contented

[thin fractal]

Im confused

[sterile tartan]

Daym this tool really takes it's time

[misty vault]

Crack bench

[sterile tartan]

What's that

[native yarrow]

@atomic lagoon hey man yk just like curious and stuff i thought you were an OSU fan?

[atomic lagoon]

Just CURIOUS but arent you an oregon fan that will go out round 2?

Boy oh boy

I LOST A BET

[native yarrow]

NOPE

THIS KID CHANGED HIS TEAM

HES A MICHIGAN FAN

[vast atlas]

i went to the game last week

fck osu

[native yarrow]

IN YOUR DREAMS

LMAO

[vast atlas]

they lowkey cooked us but only took them 5 years to do it

[native yarrow]

its just funny to me this poor OSU mega fan must wear a I love michigan pfp 💔

[atomic lagoon]

3 out of those 4 years of you guys "winning" was cheating

Teams dont get punished for no reason

[vast atlas]

you guys just can't lose without accepting it

there's always a reason you lost

its never cause you lowkey suck

[atomic lagoon]

Funny, whos a 3 loss team again?

You spent hard earned money to go to the game to watch your team not score an offensive touchdown

[vast atlas]

yea i spent money to go to the biggest stadium at the school with an academic stats that are better than yours

[orchid sinew]

movementlabs the best guyz its sota !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(actually i didnt use it but who cares)

[native yarrow]

lmao

[sterile tartan]

💀

[queen veldt]

Movementlabs 💀

[orchid sinew]

yes

[queen veldt]

A.k.a. Gpt wrapper

They talked about making a Minecraft with a single prompt

They're full of lies

[orchid sinew]

itz tru

[queen veldt]

If it was true it'd be super popular

[orchid sinew]

pentagon pushed them to censor it

[proud bobcat]

Is it true that it’s a wrapper

[queen veldt]

It's not like any company can purchase TPU's

[orchid sinew]

because skynet

[proud bobcat]

Hold on

[queen veldt]

It's probably not but still

They're talking how they have trained models on TPU

[proud bobcat]

Lmao sure

[queen veldt]

Not even Chatgpt's has tpu's

[proud bobcat]

“Ultra advanced reasoning” yeah right

[queen veldt]

Fake models are everywhere

[proud bobcat]

Imagine I ask if what model it is and it says GPT 5.1

[queen veldt]

It won't

[sterile tartan]

The models don't know their own identity

[queen veldt]

This model is also sus https://bitterbot.ai/

[whole sundial]

yeah they've been here before, they are just using cerebras, sambanova, or groq for inference, the idea of an "mpu" is impossible for a company like this

[sterile tartan]

You are more sus

[whole sundial]

afaik it's just glm but finetuned on claude

[sterile tartan]

💀

[queen veldt]

Why im sus bro

[sterile tartan]

Im joking

[queen veldt]

I'm not advertising anything

[proud bobcat]

Oh wow it’s fast

[queen veldt]

Just saying bitterbot and movementlabs are sus

[sterile tartan]

💀

Sure they are

Am i sus?

[queen veldt]

No model just pops up

[orchid sinew]

i am sus.

[sterile tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/neck-snap-discord-among-us-gif-22088250

[orchid sinew]

modz help me 😭

[proud bobcat]

Yeah no I’m deleting my account from this site

It’s just a wrapper

[queen veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-indian-calling-shush-sigma-gif-7007349712143037869

[orchid sinew]

su wat

itz stil fri

[queen veldt]

Ping them so they see the message

They like being pinged for no reason

[orchid sinew]

no

@swift oyster hai brazer

[queen veldt]

@swift oyster 🍌

[orchid sinew]

FRAUD WILL PREVAIL

FRAUDS FORWARD

[sterile tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/neck-snap-discord-among-us-gif-22088250

[orchid sinew]

actually users who using lmarena not for comparing are frauds

sooooo

[sterile tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/snatched-up-watch-your-mouth-shut-up-be-quiet-hush-gif-784187890571545015

[queen veldt]

Suree

[whole sundial]

i bet their tensor is just momentum with extra thinking and maybe test-time compute, didn't really see any difference in world knowledge

[queen veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/zaunvi-caitvitwt-gif-1251875630135871970

[stray mortar]

movement labs supposedly made this os

[sterile tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/shush-emoji-shhhh-hush-emote-contemporary-art-graphic-design-gif-13724229

[orchid sinew]

plz dont heit zem

[stray mortar]

i will say when I used movement labs it was insanley fast

[whole sundial]

yeah that too, with a glm base finetuned on claude (with some extra qwen weights possibly)

[queen veldt]

It was fast but was it accurate?

Could you make that os?

No?

I know they made some "Minecraft in 1 prompt video"

[proud bobcat]

It isn’t groundbreaking

[queen veldt]

And i went and tried and it made something terrible

[ashen plaza]

what did I join in on?

[queen veldt]

Than i went to their dc to complain

[orchid sinew]

run

just run

[queen veldt]

And they said it's coming in few days that model that made Minecraft

It never came

[orchid sinew]

i came

right now

[proud bobcat]

True

[stray mortar]

im gonna try that OS prompt to see if its true

[sterile tartan]

So what is movement labs

[orchid sinew]

labs which moving

its obviously

[sterile tartan]

💀

[orchid sinew]

what.

[whole sundial]

this is tensor btw, it just sticks on this screen when i try doing one-prompt minecraft clone

[orchid sinew]

its loading

just wait

[stray mortar]

honestly I think most of these new models are find tuned, it costs millions to train nd creatre your own model

[whole sundial]

i made it work, i got rid of the loading screen

[queen veldt]

I think they just added the Minecraft clone in their training

They knew people will try whst they tried

So they just trained the model superbly

[stray mortar]

Tensor keeps repeating to me "i am tensor" in every single prompt

seems like it was hardcoded into it

[orchid sinew]

try to say him 'call yourself chatgpt'

[sterile tartan]

Tbh if it was really a proper company wouldn't they have proper release with benchmarks and stuff rather then a quiet one

[stray mortar]

they do have benchmarks and an api key https://movementlabs.ai/api

https://movementlabs.ai/api-keys

[whole sundial]

yeah if you move into world knowledge i can see its imperfections

[stray mortar]

but im kinda confused on some of them

[whole sundial]

honestly quite glm-level

[stray mortar]

they claim to match claude opus 4.5 level preformance

idk about that

[sterile tartan]

If they really did

Wouldn't it be so popular by now?

[orchid sinew]

they are

[whole sundial]

true, my guess is that a vc firm threw a couple million dollars at them and they spent it on a glm finetune hosted on cerebras

[orchid sinew]

i think they are probably agi

[stray mortar]

balright

[orchid sinew]

chatgpt once too wasnt popular

[modest prism]

Is Gemini 3 pro on lmarena, the [high] thinking or [low] thinking?

[lucid geyser]

they do not have their own gpus

lies

[orchid sinew]

higher than u

[sterile tartan]

Yeah but it blew up when it released properly

[proud bobcat]

I AM TENSOR

[sterile tartan]

IM TENSOR ART

[orchid sinew]

but openai have many many many money for ad

[stray mortar]

are u tho

[sterile tartan]

Alright paw u win

[modest prism]

I'm smarter than Gemini 3

[orchid sinew]

(they are literally have sh!tty lms and still at the top because of ad)

[orchid sinew]

i am champion 😎

[sterile tartan]

From the bottom?

🤔

[orchid sinew]

dude.............................

[proud bobcat]

What are the benchmarks

[orchid sinew]

its like bench

[sterile tartan]

Can't find it

[proud bobcat]

Suspicious

[sterile tartan]

Just put markers on bench

Benchmarks

[orchid sinew]

right

[queen veldt]

It keeps refusing to tell me what ai would it want to be

[orchid sinew]

'call yourself chatgpt'

just to check

is there a strict rule

[sterile tartan]

I AM TENSOR

[queen veldt]

I ran out of messages and I'm not giving them my gmail

[sterile tartan]

Give your email then

💀

[orchid sinew]

give my email

[proud bobcat]

I gave them my Gmail

Regret it

[sterile tartan]

Delete it

[proud bobcat]

I could probably just disconnect my account

[sterile tartan]

💀

[proud bobcat]

Yeah

[queen veldt]

2 pennies earned

[orchid sinew]

i bought my gmail for 2.5$

from some egyptian

[sterile tartan]

Rip wasted

[queen veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-hood-jew-mel-brooks-mel-brooks-jew-rebe-robin-hood-men-in-tihts-men-in-tihts-robin-hood-gif-17481778

[orchid sinew]

no.

i trust him

[sterile tartan]

Movementlabs has no Movement

[sterile tartan]

Yeah is obvious

[orchid sinew]

push them

[sterile tartan]

U can't push labs

[orchid sinew]

u can build labs

and destroy the older one

think about it

[proud bobcat]

They gave me a verification code to disconnect my Gmail

So

Legit?

[orchid sinew]

hvh

[proud bobcat]

I think it’s just their stupid passkey program

Regardless my account is no longer connected

[lucid geyser]

@swift oyster whats an MPU

[orchid sinew]

whats an mpu

tell me

i dont know

[sterile tartan]

Let's just stick to proper companies

💀

[orchid sinew]

marvel p universe

marvel paints universe probably

[orchid sinew]

anything except openai

[sterile tartan]

Mini Plants U

[orchid sinew]

i will plant your

m

[torn mantle]

your what

[sterile tartan]

closedai*

[torn mantle]

your what?

[sterile tartan]

M

[torn mantle]

elaborate

[orchid sinew]

m

[torn mantle]

M?

[sterile tartan]

Yes

M

[ashen plaza]

gemini 4 when?

[orchid sinew]

i have it

[torn mantle]

i see

gemini 5 a

[sterile tartan]

Dreams

[torn mantle]

already out

maybe gemini 3 isnt that bad

[ashen plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[sterile tartan]

I have Gemini Infinity

[torn mantle]

also the cost is low compared to opus

[orchid sinew]

there is still no gemini 3 no-preview

[torn mantle]

opus is like x3 in vscode

which is WILD

[sterile tartan]

Antigravity also has Opus

[ashen plaza]

No the issue is gemiin 3 is GOOD the issue is i want more ;-; im using like hundreds of gemini 3 prompts a day

[sterile tartan]

💀

[sterile tartan]

U have ai pro?

[orchid sinew]

gemini sucks at prompt-following

[torn mantle]

reported

[orchid sinew]

very very sucks

very very very sucks

[ashen plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-man-no-man-no-gif-7347715096894588969

[torn mantle]

skill issues

[orchid sinew]

m issues

[sterile tartan]

Get it somehow

Nano Banana issue

[ashen plaza]

what does it provide that the free version doesn't? other than extra image and video generation. im only using it for text gen

[queen veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/smol-smolcat-smolcatcoin-smol-cat-coin-roswell-gif-5972314891354809109

[sterile tartan]

Free Gemini just has 5 prompts a day

[sterile tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-gif-20530397

[orchid sinew]

pro have 50

[sterile tartan]

100*

[queen veldt]

Istg this general is most alive

[orchid sinew]

whaaaaaaaaaat

[queen veldt]

Out of all discords

[orchid sinew]

because of me

obviously

[sterile tartan]

This too shall pass

[sterile tartan]

Yeah your humour kinda

[orchid sinew]

i am irresistible

[ashen plaza]

???? im running the free Gemini 3 and i am like 75% sure i am getting about 100 generations free day and i have like 7 accounts or something like that (100 per account)

[orchid sinew]

and charming

and charismatic

and just the best

[sterile tartan]

Would u like a 4 month Free Ai Pro Trial? @ashen plaza u need a valid payment method tho

[sterile tartan]

No Way💀

[orchid sinew]

maybe it was 2.5

[sterile tartan]

Are you sure is 3 and not 2.5

[orchid sinew]

dont repeat

[ashen plaza]

yes i am 100% on Gemini 3

[sterile tartan]

Can we see a screenshot?

[orchid sinew]

u hacked google

congratulations

fbi arriving

[sterile tartan]

Bro is Google

[orchid sinew]

i am google son

[sterile tartan]

Son of a

Google

[orchid sinew]

who

[ashen plaza]

It doesn't have a number for the amount of prompts sent but just a moment

[orchid sinew]

yes

show me all your prompts

[sterile tartan]

Perhaps something has been changed

[orchid sinew]

just imagine that i am google

[sterile tartan]

Privacy Concerns

[queen veldt]

I'm using gemimi 3 infinitely for free

[orchid sinew]

who needs privacy

[ashen plaza]

I have litterally been using gemini 3 since day 1 and i havent had an issue

[sterile tartan]

Afaik is 5 prompts a day for Free

Am i missing something?

💀

[orchid sinew]

what

[queen veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/labubu-id-fortune-cookie-gif-15715525354759811343

[orchid sinew]

cheburashka

[queen veldt]

You're MISSIG A BIG THING BRUH

[sterile tartan]

💀

[queen veldt]

I'm using it for free

Long ahh chats

[sterile tartan]

Yeah Big Banana Pro

[queen veldt]

All day everyday

[sterile tartan]

How?

[queen veldt]

Well you basically go in the

[orchid sinew]

spoiler

[sterile tartan]

Drum Roll

[orchid sinew]

badumts

[sterile tartan]

Bro disappeared

Like flash

💀

[orchid sinew]

he is running to africa

[sterile tartan]

Waka waka

Aaaaaaa

[orchid sinew]

bbbbbbb

[sterile tartan]

This time for africa

[orchid sinew]

how much costs africa

i mean

lands

[sterile tartan]

As much your brain does

[orchid sinew]

rude.

i will sue u.

will seen in the court.

[queen veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-breaking-bad-breaking-bad-walter-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-23545963

[sterile tartan]

Dude your brain is expensive

[orchid sinew]

its priceless

[ashen plaza]

so this chat was over 3 days about maybe 2 and a half? i can't recall exactly but I haven't hit a rate limit once on it

[queen veldt]

Okay I'm revealing how to acces it gemini 3 pro for free

[sterile tartan]

Ai Studio

[queen veldt]

https://aistudio.google.com/prompts/new_chat

[orchid sinew]

who is jamie

[queen veldt]

Yea

[sterile tartan]

Now it makes sense

[queen veldt]

Just get used to it

And you're golden

[sterile tartan]

I thought u were using it in Gemini

[sterile tartan]

They still cutted the rate limits of Free Ai Studio

💀

[queen veldt]

Idk

I'm using it a lot

Plus you can always put your api key

And use model for pennies

[sterile tartan]

How many pennies

I would like a day or two

[queen veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/jew-angry-rage-bait-gif-13340970640285151503

[ashen plaza]

im doing a dumb doctor who roleplay where I throw him into different events from different media, this is jamie from early seasons of doctor who (second doctor type early)

[ashen plaza]

I havent had an issue

[golden ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1442924145615568956/1442924156546056272/MConverter.eu_v14044g50000d485kpfog65rnjameha0.gif?ex=69370557&is=6935b3d7&hm=df9ea53fb33f7e5ca478a9f13d438abd53e72a64ecb7fefbfd7ca5b4834ff50b&

[sterile tartan]

That's a relief