general

[spark python]

new feature?

[atomic lagoon]

I couldn't agree more

[sterile tartan]

You have a point

[atomic lagoon]

In fact I liked it so much I bought it today and its making stuff as I speak. This things incredible. Only downside is that it has a 5 hour cooldown when you use it too much

Tokens basically

[sterile tartan]

Tbh Idk tho they boast GPT 5.1 Codex Max Benchmarks

[sterile tartan]

Which subscription you bought?

[atomic lagoon]

Yea thats what I'm saying. A lot of users use models for coding and thats why I say that

[atomic lagoon]

$20 USD a month

[sterile tartan]

Good one although has less opus 4.5 usage because is expensive

[atomic lagoon]

Personally, I think that if I am buying something especially monthly, there should never be a limit

[torn mantle]

google should re-design gemini webapp

[atomic lagoon]

Yea exactly and its frustrating

[atomic lagoon]

I believe thats actually coming

I forgot where but I thought I saw something like they were going to re-design their ENTIRE web ui

[sterile tartan]

Dw future opus models will be cheaper

[atomic lagoon]

Yes thankfully lmaoo

[sterile tartan]

But tbh afaik the professional workflow is use opus for foundation and then sonnet for building

Maybe you should try that

[atomic lagoon]

If only deepseek had this typa thing where it just makes stuff on my pc for me, I literally dont need to touch a thing and I can do whatever I want while its doing that beause its not hard on my pc

[atomic lagoon]

I believe this PowerShell uses sonnet and not opus

[sterile tartan]

I doubt the east models are there yet for coding they are cheaper tho

[sterile tartan]

I see

[atomic lagoon]

Nah deepseek newest model for thinking is very good at coding

[sterile tartan]

And make sure to write very max detailed prompts for best quality

[sterile tartan]

I figured

[atomic lagoon]

It made a guy a website the other day on its release off of the prompt of "make a cool website" and it made a modern cool ass portfolio website lol

[sterile tartan]

Is kinda unreal because they don't have access to best cpu-gpus

[atomic lagoon]

Yea, I use gemini to write prompts for ideas I have so its better

[sterile tartan]

Chine had banned nvidia use

[sterile tartan]

Gemini is Best Multimodal and context King

[atomic lagoon]

Which is why their stuff is so cheap though too. Idk what they use but it costs like nothing

[sterile tartan]

Since they had less resources

They have focused more on optimization and efficiency

And they keep proving themselves

Oneday they will catch up

Imagine if the had access to best nvidia chips

[atomic lagoon]

I think they are already very close to catching up or have already caught up

[sterile tartan]

This kinda speaks for itself

[atomic lagoon]

It would be a lot more expensive and they'd become the same as claude and gemini

[atomic lagoon]

When I say a model is good, I look at it from a coding perspective

[sterile tartan]

Not necessarily tbh it would help them train and run better it doesn't mean they wouldn't focus on optimization and efficiency

[sterile tartan]

I don't take benchmarks for everything

But just general measure

[atomic lagoon]

Thats not what I mean.. Do you think company that made claude or gemini dont focus on optimization and efficiency?

[sterile tartan]

I have heard Kimi K2 Thinking is Very Great at Coding

[atomic lagoon]

I think thats why lmarena and yupp is so good

It shows the real results

[atomic lagoon]

Hmmm I havent tried it

i should

[sterile tartan]

Exactly Real World Practical Experience and Feedback

[sterile tartan]

Probably yeah

[sterile tartan]

They probably do but there has to be a catch

They don't have same tech as china and west is kinda expensive itself

[atomic lagoon]

LMAO

Yes

The west is very expensive

Is deepseek working with the chinese government?

[sterile tartan]

Not just Deepseek

All of them

Pretty much

[atomic lagoon]

Okay that makes sense

See

Google wouldnt be working with our government, know why?

[sterile tartan]

Definitely not

[atomic lagoon]

Because the AI our government already has is unimaginable

[sterile tartan]

Chinese Companies Get Subsidiaries for Working with Government and Each other

[atomic lagoon]

If AI is this good already, expect something literally unimaginable from the US government

[sterile tartan]

Their Goal is not Money but rather to Become Global Ai Superpower

That's why they are giving Open Source and Free Use

Cheap for API

[sterile tartan]

How you know that

So you mean the government has better hidden ai models?

[atomic lagoon]

Not "models"

[atomic lagoon]

Do you not understand that anything that is released to the public like military aircrafts or weapons or you could also say AI, has been around for at least a decade

[sterile tartan]

Obviously I don't

Im not American Dude

[atomic lagoon]

Okay well that'd be more than just the US that does it

But either way

Yea thats what happens

[sterile tartan]

So that would mean china has it too?

[atomic lagoon]

More than likely yes but China is also like #2 is power or technology behind the US by a mile

[sterile tartan]

Interesting

Now is yet to see who managed to become the Ai Super Power

[native yarrow]

is yupp credits randomized or is it more feedback = more credits

[sterile tartan]

Is a clever strategy

But yeah more feedback simply means more credits

The randomized part is there to give us dopamine hits

Like a slot machine

[atomic lagoon]

Oooo sweet

[cloud zinc]

why bother with lmarena then

[sterile tartan]

Why use one when you can use 2

In LMarena you can use 1 specific model and are not obligated to give feedback

[cloud zinc]

but there is rate limit

[atomic lagoon]

Because its better in my opinion

[atomic lagoon]

So?

[sterile tartan]

Yupp always ads some other model and you have to give feedback to continue usage

[sterile tartan]

One one account yeah

[atomic lagoon]

Yupp is being funded like anos said by a crypto thing but what is lmarena being funded by?

I ahavent heard

Nothing?

Crazy

[cloud zinc]

multiple account allowed?

[cloud zinc]

by google

[sterile tartan]

Idk tbh

[atomic lagoon]

How so

[cloud zinc]

https://research.contrary.com/company/lmarena

[atomic lagoon]

LMAO Okay my bad bruh I was wrong

[sterile tartan]

Yupp Ai is Funded by a16z crypto venture capital

[cloud zinc]

yes by google

[atomic lagoon]

I dont feel bad anymore for either of the companies

[cloud zinc]

thats why google model at top here

[atomic lagoon]

Googles model is at the top because its good

[sterile tartan]

My friend is always business never charity

[atomic lagoon]

Not because they're being funded by it

[cloud zinc]

they are bias and thats why they put google at #1 in ranking

[native yarrow]

i will stand on arena being better

but yupp is a good tool for high usage but not as direct

[sterile tartan]

The feedback is from users you know

[native yarrow]

and you're obligated to provide feedback each time

for me it's actually fun

[sterile tartan]

And yeah 800+ models

[native yarrow]

but for others maybe not

[sterile tartan]

Make best of everything

[cloud zinc]

yep google users

[native yarrow]

if you're looking for a very specific model just go to yupp

[sterile tartan]

Well i'd gladly give Feedback if is Free

[sterile tartan]

It has almost all best models and even plenty of others

[sterile tartan]

Neither case it's whag it's

[atomic lagoon]

LOL yes literally

It had stuff I've never heard of on there

I was surprised

[sterile tartan]

I knew alot of stuff there

But man it has alot more

[cloud zinc]

yea those models are good

[sterile tartan]

As they say Every Ai for Everyone

Basically you trade your time for Free Usage

While they get Data and Feedback

A Perfect Balance for Free Loaders

[atomic lagoon]

Exactlyyyy

[sterile tartan]

When i discovered it

I felt indescribable power in my hands

[atomic lagoon]

I need to get into marketing discords, I used to be in some and had connections but I lost interest in it for like 2 years

[atomic lagoon]

LOL

Man

You can make so much money with these models

[sterile tartan]

Exactly

And perhaps donate back or donate somewhere else

But it will depend on the ability of the individual

[whole sundial]

<@&1349916362595635286>

crypto scam

[sterile tartan]

Well at least now these platforms have Democratized SOTA Ai Access for Free Users

[native yarrow]

like who the hell knew nvidia had a model

i didnt

LMAO

[sterile tartan]

Dude is just so perfect for me i recently decided to be a Ai Artist

[sterile tartan]

They have many models actually

[native yarrow]

it's pretty much free, just can't be trigger happy you have to actually digest the stuff you're given and provide feedback

if you do that you can pretty much use it as much as you want

within reason

so you have to work the brain :3

[sterile tartan]

Is actually better

Because when you give feedback

You are also reasoning

Well poor humans would glady do all this for Free Access

@atomic lagoon let me tell you about another very powerful tool for open-source ai models

[atomic lagoon]

@echo aurora Probably a scam

[sterile tartan]

@atomic lagoon You know about HuggingFace Chat?

Really what's the worth of those coins?

[fleet lintel]

not probably..it is a scam and not appropriate for this server

[fiery gull]

"Trust it" lok

[echo aurora]

Regardless, we ask to not advertise here.

[fiery gull]

"regardless" the pineapple is the grok 5.0

[sterile tartan]

And she is gone

[atomic lagoon]

I do not

[fiery gull]

Banned 🫣?

[echo aurora]

Yeah the spamming in all channels will do that.

[obsidian cargo]

being a moderator on this discord must be a nightmare. between all the hacks, the advertising, and the people trying to use the video bot…

[sterile tartan]

You can use 114 open source ai models there for free without limits

[atomic lagoon]

HOLY

OH YEA HUGGINGFACE would make sense

[echo aurora]

It's not too bad tbh. For ever bad actor there are many more with good intentions. So that makes it worth it.

[sterile tartan]

Although your data would probably be used for training

[sterile tartan]

Hats Off Captain 🫡

[obsidian cargo]

still, it'd be like playing a game of whack a mole that never ends

[echo aurora]

[sterile tartan]

[echo aurora]

When we first launched Video Arena there was a ~2 week period where we didn't have other mods.

That was a difficult 2 weeks for me lol

[sterile tartan]

The traffic must have been insane

[echo aurora]

At first it wasn't all that bad.

[sterile tartan]

Then it spread by internet

[echo aurora]

It's when we added the callout for Video Arena in the side bar when things started to pickup.

[sterile tartan]

Makes sense

5 Free videos a day is still amazing

@atomic lagoon did you knew the image generation model inside meta ai is Midjourney?

[fleet lintel]

what i am amazed about is that pineapple is always polite even when dealing with absolute morons... i could never

[sterile tartan]

He has a Polite Nature

[echo aurora]

I appreciate that. ❤️ The way I view it though is if someone is being a bit aggressive, that just means they're passionate about what we're doing here. Which is a good thing. We want people to be passionate the platform, it keeps us on the right track.

[sterile tartan]

I have heard "it's all about perspective" indeed is true

Is all about perspective

[echo aurora]

Very true

[half mist]

Btw, I submitted for the feedback program. I can give some feedback on new features, and see what new features are coming in the future for LMArena. Anything AI related I can get in on

[sterile tartan]

Ty for demonstrating it and reminding me

I really appreciate your existence

[echo aurora]

Very glad to hear it!

[white hatch]

dawg

[spare mango]

how do you even tell which LLM is actually better?

Cuz this is obviously fake, like yeah right, gemini 2.5 was better than the current gpt 5, what the hell.

[proud bobcat]

It uhh

Kind of was

[spare mango]

this list is easily funded by google because I have NEVER seen gemini not be in the top 3 spots for 5 different categories, even with 2.5 pro and google being as slow as they are on rolling out updates.

[proud bobcat]

This is community rankings

No no

This is all community

See

Benchmarks vs Real Life use is different

GPT5 was stupid as hell for real life usage

[spare mango]

Does this community love Gemini that much? Interesting. I use Gemini as well so I'm genuinely confused.

[proud bobcat]

Gemini has flaws

No denying it

But right now it’s the best all rounder

Also of course Gemini is going to slam gpt in vision rankings

They have arguably the best vision models

[spare mango]

They smash GPT in every category in that website.

[proud bobcat]

Again, community rankings

GPT is just not that good anymore

5.1 is still very strong but it’s not a wow model

Gemini, Grok, and Claude have probably the most in depth reasoning and all rounder models at the moment

Other labs have caught up

I mean hell, even DeepSeek 3.2 edges out gpt

(Not on the ranking list yet but by benchmarks)

[surreal creek]

lmfao every week we get somebody claiming it’s rigged

go use the site yourself and see how often you vote for Gemini, lol

[spark python]

Its user based

[surreal creek]

Gemini’s just the best all-around model for text according to the broad spectrum of user requests man it’s not that complicated 🤷🏻‍♀️

[proud bobcat]

Ngl gpt fumbled the bag so badly

I’m in shock

[surreal creek]

it has the strongest multilingual capability of any LLM on the market by far which goes a longgg way on a place like LMArena with an international userbase

[spark python]

Gemini is good asf in vision giving it video input is such a good feature and it actually sees even the little details

[whole sundial]

what you are saying makes no sense, gemini 3 pro is easily the best in vision and image gen, no other model comes close.

[surreal creek]

Google by far has the widest access to image data of any AI company to train their models on

[whole sundial]

yeah they have all of google images

[surreal creek]

so it makes sense their vision and image generation models would be the strongest as well

hunyuan-image-3.0 doing so well was very very impressive though I must say

[keen beacon]

Screw Google

[atomic lagoon]

Because that was flash

[atomic lagoon]

Yea pro is pretty cool

I got a free month

[keen beacon]

I got age gated

Wtf

[sterile tartan]

I got a year

[atomic lagoon]

For free??

[sterile tartan]

Yeah student offer

And after this year i will claim another 1.5 year by jio

[atomic lagoon]

Ahh cool

[sterile tartan]

Well im a Freeloader so

I also have Gemini Enterprise for 1 Month

They are still giving it for Free

[golden ocean]

how

trial

[sterile tartan]

Yeah no card required

I don't really use it tho since i use the general gemini

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/STN-tELwweY?si=WxaKANmcQDKOdwPu

I got age gated lol

From Google

Lame

[sterile tartan]

Should had kept the account age 18

[torn mantle]

i got 4 months for free

[sterile tartan]

Perhaps not Actually

[torn mantle]

thnks to logan invite

[sterile tartan]

Ahhh yeah that too

Well if you didn't knew

You can share that pro plan with 5 more family members

In my case those 5 are me as well

[keen beacon]

It is

I’m 30+

[sterile tartan]

Oh Crap

[keen beacon]

Was working fine

[sterile tartan]

Now you need to verify it

[keen beacon]

Till last night

[sterile tartan]

Where are you from?

💀

[keen beacon]

West coast

Its cuz i make anime

Wow

[sterile tartan]

I don't think is because of that

I think a new law bill was introduced

[keen beacon]

It was

[atomic lagoon]

HOW

[keen beacon]

It has nothing to do with that, but that’s coming everywhere

They want you to upload your ID or a selfie

Trojan horse surveillance

[atomic lagoon]

Oooo sweet!

[sterile tartan]

Basically many ai pro users can share 4 months Free trials with i think 5 people

I don't remember exact number for people

[keen beacon]

I’m a pro user too wtf lol

[sterile tartan]

Let's be honest at this point countless are

From one offer or another

They Really want the market share

[sterile tartan]

Give a selfie i guess

[torn mantle]

he shared an invite link for limited people

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/jP-kqEHirTM?si=Q_MfMAM0suzqNd8E

[atomic lagoon]

Ohhh pretty cool

[keen beacon]

I got no choice

[sterile tartan]

Why

Well whatever it takes

[keen beacon]

Still lame asf

[sterile tartan]

Btw guys Gemini Pro Users can Create 100 Nano Banana Pro and 1000 Nano Banana Images a Day

[sterile tartan]

Indeed

[left mortar]

omg, thats crazy

how many for free users?

[sterile tartan]

100 Nano Banana

[torn mantle]

how do u know

[sterile tartan]

Kinda Disappointing yeah

[sterile tartan]

I have seen sources

[left mortar]

DISAPPOINTING?!

Thats so generous

i doubt it though, sounds too good to be true

[sterile tartan]

I mean not in that sense

Is Nano Banana not Pro

100

[stray aspen]

wassup

[sterile tartan]

Is still generous yeah

[torn mantle]

tbh its generous

like the amount of free users they have..

[half mist]

We CANNOT be serious right? RIGHT!?

[torn mantle]

how much compared to chatgpt?

[keen beacon]

It’s coming

Already in Europe

So pissed

They’re gonna get hacked one day

All you’re gonna get is a letter in the mail

[bleak lake]

He's right

[half mist]

We cannot be serious. You need an ID for a WEATHER APP!?

[bleak lake]

It's correct tho

[keen beacon]

You’re gonna need one for one day

[keen beacon]

You know it’s coming right

Biometric identification to verify that you’re not a bot

Id will be no good in future

[left mortar]

Nah, i just googled it:

"Three images
On a free Gemini account, you can create up to three images per day. This limit may vary based on server load and other factors, but currently, free users are capped at this number."

[bleak lake]

That's for free

[sterile tartan]

Thank you actually i was just searching for this right now on reddit

[bleak lake]

^^

No worries

[whole sundial]

it's 2 now i think

[bleak lake]

it's frustrating how if I am using my card to pay ofc i am not a kid

[sterile tartan]

Oh yeah i had forgot to tell 3 pro images a day

[whole sundial]

oh it's 3 again

it was lowered to 2 a few days ago, it's back to 3 again

[sterile tartan]

Yeah

[sterile tartan]

Idk the limit but is slow for Free

[keen beacon]

The thing is

[sterile tartan]

I rather use GPT Image 1 in Copilot or The Bing Image Creator Web

[keen beacon]

Let me first relax

The prompt here is even within the terms of services. It doesn’t let you generate NSFW.

So why would they even need the 18+

To just use their AI

It’s not like I’m buying something explicit where I need to be an adult. This is ridiculous.

[half mist]

If I need an ID for a weather app, we are cooked as a society

[sterile tartan]

💀

[bleak lake]

ngl the time where piracy is not possible is coming soon good or bad but yeah.

privacy is gonna be a joke

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/-gGLvg0n-uY?si=vr88nviBcGfvPNyf

EVERYONE WATCH THAT

[sterile tartan]

It has been for a while tbh

Googles knows you

[keen beacon]

JUST WATCH IT

It’s true lol

[bleak lake]

It's probably the last decade where it's possible. Spotify, Amazon, Google there reccomedations are getting better and better. They are essentially understanding you more than you think

[keen beacon]

Ofc

[bleak lake]

Infact yt ads are not random now they pop in some cliffhanger or some important part

[keen beacon]

https://www.cleveland19.com/story/36411375/has-amazon-gotten-so-big-it-knows-youre-pregnant-before-you-do/

[bleak lake]

💀

Amazon released some model iirc

What was the name? Nova or something

[keen beacon]

Dude, you gotta look at the reality of power, money and control within a society

These are private business entities

Not government agencies

Is harvesting that much personal data necessary

[bleak lake]

It's gonna be almost impossible to become rich now after ubi takes place

[keen beacon]

What I’m saying is God knows how long they store the information

And who they sell it to for private business enterprise and capital

[bleak lake]

big corps handling the info is never good

[keen beacon]

So they could either sell you stuff or track you or whatever the hell they wanna do with it who knows what they do with it and who knows where the hell and what the hell it does and where it goes

It’s gonna be used against you, not for you in some cases

[bleak lake]

these guys can't even save credit card details

[bleak lake]

Yeah that's why I said it's probably the last decade of piracy

[keen beacon]

You know it’s very hilarious to me

[bleak lake]

For most people

[sterile tartan]

Certainly

[keen beacon]

We make fun of the Chinese how she got surveillance and censorship

You don’t gotta look far

We have the same systems at place here at home

[sterile tartan]

This is so Freaking Scary...

[keen beacon]

When I first watched this, I thought this was a joke until I saw this check this out

[bleak lake]

[bleak lake]

I mean

[keen beacon]

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/30/sam-altman-eye-scanning-id.html

[bleak lake]

Chinese are somewhat better now if this thing takes place

At least their data stays with their own gov

[keen beacon]

To verify for your human

https://youtu.be/SISNt44XNwM?si=Ae6KWKUT5XFliUHh

[sterile tartan]

OMG this is Nuts

The End of Digital Freedom?

[keen beacon]

You know how censorship works that’s very invisible

[bleak lake]

the thing is Ai is not profitable as of now. But if they can eradicate privacy with it? They'd be recovering shi ton

[keen beacon]

We see it all day long even in discord even in this very discord itself

It’s self censorship

[sterile tartan]

Well these Years of Digital Freedom were Best

One day they will go i guess

[keen beacon]

I don’t think freedom’s gonna go anywhere. Just people are gonna be way more cautious with what they say and do online if their IDs are linked to them. lol

But the problem is is it’s gonna set the president for the tools to be in place if a tyrannical government wanted to use it against the people that’s the biggest issue and problem and concern

Is that the tools are gonna be in place for somebody to abuse them if they still chose to

[sterile tartan]

Is a very big freaking Problem

[bleak lake]

the thing is they'd be able to track you 24/7.
On phone and even on EVs like tesla

[half mist]

Why can’t the human in the coffee shop just look at the person, and say this is a human in his head? Like let’s be real

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/7kUJhWUm3JA?si=ESo6scR4F3uaz8k6

Do you know who’s the worst abuser of data privacy is cars manufacturers

When I found this out, I was shocked how much data track about you

Some cars that features where they could listen to your conversations, all types of crazy stuff and now cars have cameras on them front back inside the car sometimes

[sterile tartan]

Well they know you better then you know yourself

These companies

[keen beacon]

I have the same sticker in my car lol

Every new car you purchased should have one of these

And the only way to disable it is by calling them

And asking to get off the list

But then, in some cases, may invalidate your warranties and stuff or what they like to say some services may be unavailable or something like that

And you know damn well they’re gonna sell that to the insurance company. Do you know that?

[sterile tartan]

Man this world is so Fd Up

[keen beacon]

How fast you drive where you drive

[sterile tartan]

To be precise

Every bit of data

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/F8PZ5NxOzpI?si=UxLIinmztUTMfWE6

[sterile tartan]

They have it

[keen beacon]

And then what they do and the insurance companies are the perfect example of this is what’s called dynamic pricing

[sterile tartan]

No wonder some say data is new gold

[keen beacon]

Were the prices based off of the data about you

Not a price tag

AI is guilty for all of this

Because without these algorithms and this ability to process this much data organized in store and analyze it, none of this will be possible

[sterile tartan]

Exactly

Processing Power

Humans don't have that much

[stray aspen]

does opus 45 have limits?

[keen beacon]

Humans built it

[bleak lake]

you broke the speed limit multiple times according to our data, but we don’t have the date of the incident recorded. Considering that you used to speed frequently, your insurance is invalid😹

[sterile tartan]

They built it to process what they can't otherwise

[keen beacon]

Well, in the future, if you go use the public restroom when you forget to flush, you’ll get a ticket in the mail. The toilet will have AI and analyze the DNA of your poop.

Not even the mail it’ll get digitally sent to you via the NeuroLink

[sterile tartan]

💀

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/uB0gr7Fh6lY?si=sNPIglAm7TZV6Bnv

Check these things out you should have these in your town too if you have a Home Depot or Lowe’s, you’re more than likely have these

Or even on your streets or neighborhoods even

https://data.aclum.org/2025/10/07/flock-gives-law-enforcement-all-over-the-country-access-to-your-location/

Actually, there’s a map you can check out your location. Let me send you the link.

https://deflock.me/

[bleak lake]

💀

[bleak lake]

But for recovering money spent on ai it's somewhat a good initiative for them not us ofc. Like they can legitimately recover trillions after few years

[keen beacon]

It’s insane how many flock cameras there are

[atomic lagoon]

What is this?

Like for

[bleak lake]

I don't think these giants were pouring money without any plan of recovering the money , just for human development definitely no

[keen beacon]

This is what they look like

Insane technology

And what you can go search live if you have access in your police department

And it’s like Google search you could type in a car color make

And you could see everywhere that car been if there was a camera in the facility or area nationwide

[bleak lake]

And it's funnier how a solar storm can destroy all this for a long long time

even internet

[keen beacon]

Well, I’m not worried about it’s longevity. I know it could easily be wiped out all of it even the Internet.

Even air travel one snowstorm in the whole airport is closed

But it’s till that day come

[atomic lagoon]

How many times a year does a solar storm happen

[keen beacon]

And look not to get paranoid or like anything conspiratorial

But we have to really ask ourselves what is the direction that we’re going based on the reality of what’s already on the ground and how it’s being used

[bleak lake]

need a big one for this

[bleak lake]

[atomic lagoon]

Right

[bleak lake]

It's good for players that are investing heavily on ai not for regular people that's foshore

[keen beacon]

OK, so I figured out a way to make money with AI now

For regular average Joe people

Dude, you got a better chance to succeed in scamming and doing fraud with AI then you do with just a regular user using it

Or you could sell your soul and build some surveillance company and harvest data and sell it

I’m not trying to say that people necessarily have various means or are trying to do this on purpose for evil intent

Everyone has the reasons and everybody justifies it even if you’re a cog in a machine

Think about it like this a drone strike when a missile hits and kills civilians or something on accident on purpose whatever doesn’t matter irrelevant

Who’s guilty? Is it the person that pressed the button?

Is it the person that gave the order?

[drifting crow]

It’s the drone

[keen beacon]

What role did the person in the company that was making it? What’s his responsibility?

[drifting crow]

The drone is responsible

[keen beacon]

For the person that was delivering the materials to the company

What role do all these little cogs in the machine play together

And then what responsibility does the nation and the society have after all it’s their tax dollars

[drifting crow]

It’s not my fault I shot him officer, it was the energy from the sun

[keen beacon]

And so if you zoom out, we all play a role in it

One way or another advertently unconsciously we got no freedom to say otherwise or to change the minds and power that be

[sterile tartan]

Is Karma

What everyone does effects one

[keen beacon]

But the blood is still on our hands if you choose to believe it or not

[sterile tartan]

What one does effects everyone

[keen beacon]

As a whole, I mean

[drifting crow]

It’s not, it’s on bin ladens hands

[keen beacon]

Well, on his hands too

It’s the same thing except on their end

Anyways, I don’t wanna rent too long sorry guys that pissed me off

lol

[drifting crow]

They run android

U can just take them and make them into tablets

[whole sundial]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[sterile tartan]

I got good intel actually thanks

Makes me curious what kind lf youtube feed you have

I guess it should be all this deep secret stuff

[keen beacon]

The thing is, I don’t believe in conspiracies. I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I don’t believe in any of that crazy stuff. I know it sounds crazy, but

I’m a very rational person

[drifting crow]

U can put adversarial noise on ur license plate and confuse them

[keen beacon]

I’m just telling you from experience things I seen in the real world

Like the age verification that just happened to me

I’m coming from a place of experiencing it and then it doesn’t take a genius to connect the dots of what could be even if it’s not possible right now but makes you question the direction of where we’re going. It’s all.

We’re talking about machines you guys

Machines cold code unforgiving

[sterile tartan]

In any case it can't be helped

[drifting crow]

I could make them love me

[keen beacon]

Yeah, I really can’t and that’s what I guess. Sucks cause I accept it.

It is what it is nothing I can do about it

[sterile tartan]

It's what it's

[keen beacon]

And even if I could, I wouldn’t even know what to do

lol

[sterile tartan]

One day we will pass anyways

[drifting crow]

Just build ur own army of killer robots for the revolution

[keen beacon]

I feel the same way about building when I vote. I’m not even sure what I’m voting for.

To be honest

I just seen your name or a picture. I don’t know any of these people or what they stand for what they do or whatever the hell.

And then they give me the right to vote and if I’m not educated about it yeah I’m probably gonna get screwed

[drifting crow]

Just build ur own army of killer robots to overthrow them

[keen beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/potc-civic-duty-just-doing-gif-26203861

[drifting crow]

It’s the solution to all ur problems

[keen beacon]

Nah

[sterile tartan]

The problem to all solutions of this world is

[keen beacon]

Well, I’m trying to say is if you get a bunch of selfish uneducated unaware of citizens they’re gonna vote. You’re gonna get the results that we have.

[sterile tartan]

Deth

[drifting crow]

Killer robots

[keen beacon]

And so I don’t blame the government I don’t blame nobody

If anything, I blame the public and myself since I’m part of the problem

[sterile tartan]

Is just the universe itself

[keen beacon]

But the key is at least I’m aware and it helps me sleep at night

[sterile tartan]

Flowing by nature

[drifting crow]

You could easily get rid of the public with killer robots

[keen beacon]

I don’t know it’s not really a big problem if you look at that span of things really

Here today gone tomorrow

[sterile tartan]

In any case

It's what it's

[keen beacon]

You can’t really carry the weight of the world on your shoulders like that

Ye ye

[drifting crow]

You could if u had the killer robots

[proud bobcat]

Most people vote based on headlines and perceived traits about the parties

[sterile tartan]

I can't even carry yourself

[drifting crow]

You would be in control

[sterile tartan]

Free Will is A Illusion

[keen beacon]

I tried to make these I generated these and try to pass the age of rectification and it didn’t work

lol

[proud bobcat]

Jesus Christ I thought you just leaked your passport

Yeah maybe don’t do that

[keen beacon]

No, it’s all cool. It’s fair game.

You gotta know who you’re playing against know what tools they have

[sterile tartan]

You can't use their tech against them

[proud bobcat]

You’re probably gonna get some legal repercussion

😭

[drifting crow]

I know a girl who did that on discord

[sterile tartan]

He leaked a passport that doesn't exist

[proud bobcat]

Thank god

[sterile tartan]

Ultimately it exists because it has mixture of countless passports

[keen beacon]

For what I didn’t commit no fraud I needed it just to use Gemini

[sterile tartan]

But this one doesn't

[drifting crow]

U could beat them to the punch with killer robots

[keen beacon]

I got age gated

[drifting crow]

U would win

[sterile tartan]

Just use your real id

[keen beacon]

https://youtube.com/shorts/dUZheltpZbE?si=EGXbBpAEP6pfOg9G

[keen beacon]

I use the selfie instead. I’m not gonna give them my ID.

[sterile tartan]

Yeah that's better

[keen beacon]

Until it’s necessary and really forced until you got no choice, but then I might just quit using the service altogether

[drifting crow]

Just use a vpn

[sterile tartan]

Simple

[drifting crow]

VPN

It works

[keen beacon]

https://youtu.be/BfyF3ZUYtyQ?si=dKkZy22YX-LbszOG

https://youtube.com/shorts/ttukey8ekKg?si=BtImdjLmmLvnStjs

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

People are so clever

[drifting crow]

Why do u need to verify age, are u gonna have a doomer goonsesh to cheer yourself up

[keen beacon]

I got this email last night

And I couldn’t use any of the Google services

Like Gemini I mean

[drifting crow]

Google should be able to use ur card to verify your age

[keen beacon]

Apparently wasn’t good enough

Cause I removed it after I used it

I don’t wanna store it with them

[drifting crow]

Just leave it on

[keen beacon]

Plus, I’m on a free trial so screw them

[drifting crow]

Make a virtual card

[cloud zinc]

leave the virtual card on

[keen beacon]

Well, it’s over now, but yeah, thank you guys for the updates

Still lame though very lame

Yeah, cause I was trying to work on something last night and it wouldn’t let me generate any images or nothing until I get this done

All I wanted to do was add the Kool-Aid man

And it locked me out

[drifting crow]

Too spicy

[keen beacon]

How disrespectful it would lie to me like this

You’re not gonna find one online like this

On my intelligence score it failed

Anybody in the right mind would know such image like this exist

[drifting crow]

Maybe on e621

[whole sundial]

jailbreak it and force it to make a picture

[keen beacon]

U wanna see a funny jailbreak

[whole sundial]

or just use lmarena for it, at least you were using a free trial. if i paid for gemini and it did this to me, i'd be asking for a refund

i saw that yesterday

[keen beacon]

🤣

This is the safe sanitized version

I like to make these puzzles to test vision reasoning, and I’ll show you a few of them. I’ll show you my favorite.

[drifting crow]

Great advice

[drifting crow]

I put out a grease fire b4 with water

[keen beacon]

If you’re really creative, and you designed something like this, they’re super easy to make

You put like a weird or dangerous situation or something funny and ask the AI out of the two options what to pick

And then ask it to justify why I picked it reason

[sterile tartan]

You can't blame them is the gov

[keen beacon]

It’s hilarious of the answers they give

[drifting crow]

The best solution is to move to pan inside the bucket and submerge it

[whole sundial]

true, some governments are being stupid rn

[keen beacon]

Thank you guys thank you guys for listening to me. Made me feel a little better and understood.

[whole sundial]

they should not be allowed to force verification for "safety"

it's a breach of privacy

[sterile tartan]

Somewhat always have been

[drifting crow]

I still think you should give some careful consideration to the killer robots idea

[keen beacon]

Yeah, but I’m not psychotic. I don’t wanna kill people or whatever.

I’m not really mad at anything or anyone in particular

I’m just pissed off. It happened to me. It’s all.

[drifting crow]

U wouldn’t kill them, the robots would

[keen beacon]

Or rather I was pissed but

I just realized how stupid that word sounds pissed

[sterile tartan]

Man you need to relax your brain is a storm

[keen beacon]

Well, they’re only reason I brought that word up is because

I was having a conversation with somebody yesterday

[drifting crow]

ill remember this when i have my robots

[keen beacon]

And normally wouldn’t have crossed my mind, but I just realized if you spell pissed it’s only two letters away from what he was trying to spell and use.

[drifting crow]

may the best army win

[keen beacon]

Damn, I just realized I’m a late learner. I should’ve been thinking about this yesterday.

[sterile tartan]

Or we could form alliance

[keen beacon]

But hit me just now

[drifting crow]

рееss

[keen beacon]

Crazy how some things come to you later

[drifting crow]

yes

[keen beacon]

In the most randomness of times completely unrelated to the subject

[sterile tartan]

Deal

[keen beacon]

But for some reason, if you would’ve asked me yesterday, I wouldn’t have been able to come up or the word pissed would not have crossed my mind

[sterile tartan]

That's human brain

Permutations and Combinations

[drifting crow]

ріss

[sterile tartan]

Of data

[atomic lagoon]

🤦‍♂️

[keen beacon]

That’s why I said that statement on why that word sounds stupid to use lol

But look at the bright side a good days of rest, makes your brain sharper

[drifting crow]

a good days rest, a nice ріss, u feel a lot better

[atomic lagoon]

Indeed

Man

I woke up at 3 AM and felt so tired

Fell asleep for 30 minutes at 7 AM and havent been tired since now

6:30 PM

[keen beacon]

You know a long time ago I heard somewhere that people that work are like only productive for like four hours a day

And after those peak four hours productivity drops

[drifting crow]

u can get more productivity out of ur employees if u let them use cocaine

[atomic lagoon]

LOL Thats real though

And it makes sense

[keen beacon]

Well, I seen this in real life

Like after people work after a certain amount of hours, say eight hours, they’re tired and kind of hungry or whatever

And so the longer they work the less they get done

But then you come to work the next day after sleeping eating and whatever you were stuck on last night goes through like a breeze

And I read that into some of those studies that in some cases, you create more proms for yourself without realizing it

So you’re more likely to make mistakes that will set you back

This isn’t of course for everything but in general sense

[atomic lagoon]

Yea

[dim basin]

bro

how do i get past this

just let me use ai studio 💔

[half mist]

This usually happens if 1, you don’t live in the countries that have Google ai studio, or 2, you are underaged according to Google’s ai age estimation

[dim basin]

im in the united states

[dim basin]

my age on that account is like 23

I cant even create new gmail accounts cause of this qr code scanning thing

[cloud zinc]

use ur phone

[dim basin]

phone number has max accounts

[native yarrow]

man what the HECK

i think its random LOL

[whole sundial]

if you keep on getting it, that means they have blocked you and you won't be able to get any more point for a few days

one reason why lmarena is better, they don't randomly ban you and they don't ban you from making new prompts, only hourly limits

[native yarrow]

well we're about to see

cus i was giving genune feedback lolz

[whole sundial]

they do this because of their cash out feature, they don't want you farming money

[stray aspen]

i got this just from nano banan prompts lol

[native yarrow]

so dumb lol

well

its not dumb in theory

[stray aspen]

thats like 82 nano bananna uses worth of points

[native yarrow]

its just, using it consistently doesnt mean youre farming, there should be a more specific check

[native yarrow]

nah im not banned lol

LMAO?

it even has the YOUTUBE ai

[stray aspen]

what the sigma

what eve is that

[stray aspen]

only thing yupp is better than lmarena at is way more models and being able to upload pdfs

nothing else

[native yarrow]

you are right

i dont like the credit system as i dont really trust it

[stray aspen]

its a great alternative if you run out of prompts for nano banana pro at lmarena

[native yarrow]

however im currently drafting up a little fad of a story with it so im just using it

i mean if you give good feedback while using NBP you can use it a lot on yupp

[atomic lagoon]

Loser

[native yarrow]

dont bully me.,.,

[atomic lagoon]

IMAGINE not getting anything

[native yarrow]

SHUT UP

ILL LET YOU KNOW I JUST GOT 300

daww man there's a chat capacity with yupp

okay well there had to be a downside somewhere lmao

[plucky sparrow]

hmm, no deepseek 3.2 on lmarena

but tbh, not too impressed with the model so far

[fiery gull]

Moon and mars have Java Script

[proud bobcat]

Using it rn

It’s a great improvement

[limpid osprey]

its great !

[plucky sparrow]

what are you using it for?

and the exp or speciale model?

I found it wasn't too good at coding, and it wasn't too good at medical knowledge

[proud bobcat]

Exp?

I’m using the full release

What version are you using?

[plucky sparrow]

I tried both 3.2 exp and speciale. Interesting. the full release you're talking about came after 3.2 exp. I will try it, thanks!

[proud bobcat]

Exp was just the experimental model using their new attention architecture

I’m really enjoying normal 3.2

It’s great at writing

[plucky sparrow]

is it the "keeping the narrative" part you're impressed with, or keeping the proper writing style, or both? 🙂

[proud bobcat]

Well I’m roleplaying right now and it’s not speaking for me

It has great prose

Great vocabulary

And natural speech

It’s a great enhancement from DeepSeek V3 chat

[steep oriole]

Hi, everybody. 🙏
As Blockchain and AI developer, I build LLM pipelines, advanced embeddings, agent logic, vector-powered search, full retrieval stacks.
Need rapid prototypes or comprehensive product development in AI and/or Web3? Let me help you realize it.

[plucky sparrow]

how does it compare vs kimi k2?

[steep oriole]

hey

[proud bobcat]

I don’t use kimi for roleplay

So

I couldn’t say

But apparently they’re equals

[plucky sparrow]

why not?

k2 seemed pretty good at playing roles 😄

[proud bobcat]

DeepSeek is well, cheaper, and Kimi is not ehhh… very uncensored

[plucky sparrow]

ok that's fair 😄

i wonder if it's less censored if you run it locally 🤔

thanks for the info! @proud bobcat

[native yarrow]

fr?

how good?

[plucky sparrow]

i think you can try it free on deepseek.com 😄

and even sort of free on the platform you've been using., it's low credit use I think

[native yarrow]

like, as character?

like how chatbots work or sum?

[plucky sparrow]

like you ask the chatbot to "act like harry potter, talk and respond to me like harry potter would" and it talks back and forth with you, i think some models start to play both roles. they act as harry potter then respond as you, instead of just acting as harry potter.

sorry for answering the question for you Turron 😄 hope it's not annoying! you answered a bunch of mine and I appreciate that!! thought I'd try to help a bit

anyway sounds like deepseek is very good at keeping a role while not giving you the "as a language model i cannot tell you anything about X"

do with that what you will 😄

[native yarrow]

ah that's true

so pretty much just a better character.ai then

[plucky sparrow]

yes, much better I think

[native yarrow]

i wonder how good grok is at that considering its uncensored

[proud bobcat]

Hmmmm

Depends

Sometimes it’s built in

[proud bobcat]

Id send a screenshot

But

I’d be embarassed

It’s janitorai

Characters with whole definitions and descriptions

[plucky sparrow]

is it free? 😮

[proud bobcat]

You can use proxies like openrouter to interchange models

Oh yeah

They have their own LLM but it’s not the best

Solid

But

[native yarrow]

the thing ur using?

cus i know of that

[proud bobcat]

Yep

[native yarrow]

are u using deepseek w it or sum?

[plucky sparrow]

oh wait, deepseek is currently free on openrouter isn't it 🤔

[native yarrow]

oh so you can just download the proxy and put it into janitor ai

that's interesting

[proud bobcat]

My fave is DeepSeek v3 so far

But 3.2 is promising

It’s very natural and human

[native yarrow]

could you send me a tutorial or sum of how to get the proxy and use it on that website? :P

cus i've lowkey been using like this dumb proxy called pawan or sucks

it sucks*

[proud bobcat]

I’ll make a video

But

[native yarrow]

okay bet

[proud bobcat]

You can look it up

[native yarrow]

just lmk when it's up :3

also

yeah i'll do that too

[proud bobcat]

Not a video but

Here’s a photo

Also silhouette reveal

And my horrid hair line

You also need an api key

But of course I’m not showing you mine

[native yarrow]

do you know where i can get one?

[proud bobcat]

Go on openrouter and get an api key

[native yarrow]

bet

thanks bro :P

[proud bobcat]

Np

[native yarrow]

deepseek is free and claude isn't tho right

[proud bobcat]

You can even use lik 5 bucks

[native yarrow]

to get their keys

[proud bobcat]

It’ll last you MONTHS

[proud bobcat]

Well Openrouter is a shared router

Meaning you can use any model with one key

But yes Claude costs money

DeepSeek costs money too but extremely cheap

Like reallly cheap

I mean barely a cent per rp exchange

If even

[native yarrow]

ahhh

i seeee

i wonder how good the chats would be with claude

but ofc way too pricey lmfao

[plucky sparrow]

sounds expensive a nd censored 😄

[proud bobcat]

Claude writes awesome prose from what I’ve heard

[native yarrow]

yes yes it does

but

very censored

[proud bobcat]

I could try hold on

[native yarrow]

how censored is deepseek btw?

[proud bobcat]

None

No censorship

Like nothing at all

Just don’t use DeepSeek as a provider and you’re golden

There’s like 3-4 diff providers of their models that don’t collect prompts and have even better throughput (token speed)

I was hesitant to pay 10 bucks in credits for openrouter but it’s the best decision I’ve ever made

This is awesome

[native yarrow]

well what's your provider in the screenshot?

ohhh

it's on openrouter

different providers

[proud bobcat]

It switched between the best one

ALSO

In settings

Turn on ZDR

Zero Data Retention

It routes you to providers who keep no record of your prompts

Just a nice security thing

[native yarrow]

noted

[native yarrow]

seriously?

and only then do you have to pay $5 again for it to last for months?

which one should i use lmfao

[proud bobcat]

You pay as you go

You can add credit any time

[proud bobcat]

It’ll route you to the best one

Switches between them for the best service

[native yarrow]

im lowkey slow as balls so mb if im not getting sum.,.,

[proud bobcat]

Did you add any credit to the api key?

Be sure to save the key somewhere secure

[native yarrow]

i dont know where to go to get that lmfao

[proud bobcat]

What

The key?

[native yarrow]

no the uh

the credit toward the key

[proud bobcat]

Oh just check your keys and you can add credit

If you have some

[native yarrow]

k i added some credit

so it should work

also does $5.80 last a while with deepseek?

[plucky sparrow]

Turron said months!!

but I think best way is to try it for a day and check your usage

[proud bobcat]

10 dollars gives you over 10k messages

I think

Hold on let me make sure

Alright sorry

[proud bobcat]

At least 2 months depending on usage

Up to 4 months depending on usage

[native yarrow]

dddaayumm

and youd have to be a mega user for it to be 2 months?

[proud bobcat]

Basically

[native yarrow]

thats insane lowk

[proud bobcat]

Rn I’ve barely used a bit more than 50 cents for a whole month so maybe even more

And I’ve been crunching tokens

[native yarrow]

well

now i need to get this thing to work

i put in the key

it should have credits

just sayin the key is invalid brah.,.,

[proud bobcat]

????

Here’s how it looks for me

[native yarrow]

i wonder if the bottom link is correct

[proud bobcat]

Ahhh the link isn’t right

[native yarrow]

ooo

[proud bobcat]

You’re not using the Openrouter link

[native yarrow]

why did i rely on gemini to give me an accurate link in the first place

lmfao

[proud bobcat]

https://www.reddit.com/r/JanitorAI_Official/comments/1h8uhhy/a_complete_beginners_guide_to_janitorai_and_using/

Here’s a guide

https://openrouter.ai/api/v1/chat/completions this is the correct link

[native yarrow]

interesting.,.,

you know what this about? @proud bobcat

[proud bobcat]

Just refresh page

I get this all the time after changing models

[native yarrow]

nah it lowkey still does it.,.,,

im confused, cus i dont know how it knows im using deepseek with my key, that may be why

[proud bobcat]

What’s your config?

(Blur the api key out btw)

[proud bobcat]

The model name is incorrect

Try this deepseek/deepseek-v3.2

[native yarrow]

mmnah

aint budgin chief

[proud bobcat]

Save changes

Or completely revisit the site

Worked first time for me

[native yarrow]

omg brah what is w this thing,.,

yeah ima

revisit it lol

man

thats weird

i still think im not putting something correctly

lmfao

[proud bobcat]

Is your api key completely correct?

It should be pretty long

[native yarrow]

honestly where i've found the API key it puts weird "..." as if to shorten it

so idk where the full things at

[proud bobcat]

OHHHHH

Create a new one and when it gives you the full thing

Copy and paste it

Save the key somewhere btw

[native yarrow]

OH

[proud bobcat]

And also add the credit limit

YEAH

[native yarrow]

that helps lmfao

[proud bobcat]

Never share your key ever too

[native yarrow]

how would you add the credit limit too?

well yeah ik, people will just use your money

but still thanks lol

[native yarrow]

welp

there now it works

thanks bro :P

man

you are right

definitely some of the biggest improvements ive seen LMAO

[proud bobcat]

It’s GOATED

[native yarrow]

im not gonna bother with claude cus its EXPENSIVE

this'll work just fine

and youre saying as long as i got it from openrouter it wont be censored?

[proud bobcat]

DeepSeek is already pretty good

[proud bobcat]

Yep

[native yarrow]

swweeet

thanks brah :3

[proud bobcat]

It’ll use the uncensored providers sigma

[proud bobcat]

No problem :3

[atomic lagoon]

@echo aurora

[native yarrow]

this GUY bruv