general

[bleak lake]

😭

[inland violet]

i have 8 😎

[fickle venture]

I have quadrillion

[native yarrow]

bro wut 😭 whew

[bleak lake]

Crazy good at coloring

[fickle venture]

His hair kinda messed up, on manga it's all hair but the ai added face

[inland violet]

any questions

[quartz light]

❤️‍🩹

[native yarrow]

peaCOCK

[inland violet]

yes

[fickle venture]

All I see is black accounts

[bleak lake]

True but now it's hard to find faults

[inland violet]

because you are black

[quartz light]

❤️‍🩹

[inland violet]

sorry bro

[fickle venture]

Give bro a heart guys

[inland violet]

my brudda

[fickle venture]

❤️

[inland violet]

i love you

brudda

[bleak lake]

Elon musk releasing AGi next week 😹

[fickle venture]

Hold on too far

[inland violet]

another sh!tty grok 4.2

[native yarrow]

ahhh

[bleak lake]

True

[native yarrow]

u right

[fickle venture]

Hmm I have a models that they announced that is coming let me find image

[inland violet]

i am left

[bleak lake]

bet

[fickle venture]

I didn't screenshot it bruh

This Grok 4 AGI before

More images

[limber crag]

Has the cooldown reduced to 3??

[fickle venture]

Clanker abuse

[golden ocean]

gork

[modest prism]

Once Veo 4 is released, I might subscribe to google AI ultra. I know it costs 250$ but having unlimited Gemini 3 deep think, nano banana pro and Veo 4 is WILD.

[bleak lake]

Grok is decent

[inland violet]

donate it to charity

[inland violet]

correct EU map

wow

[cloud zinc]

once veo 5 is released, i will subscribe

[bleak lake]

🔥

[inland violet]

dont burn me pls

[inland violet]

what

[bleak lake]

Expect for this everything is correct

I was gonna point this out

[glacial mulch]

lmao love this

[bleak lake]

The fact map is correct on several globes

[gaunt roost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq5450PJmRo&t=285s

[vast fern]

how to change the aspect ratio

[vast fern]

make this image 4k

[cloud zinc]

where

[inland violet]

poland...

[vast fern]

amke iron man blueprint

[vast fern]

i love sonnet so much

waiting for opus

[fickle venture]

Yeah I wanna see it too

[stray aspen]

lmao

[cloud zinc]

which one

[fickle venture]

3.5 we are at 4.5

[sullen quest]

you kinda missing the point

[cloud zinc]

thats 1k

[fickle venture]

LMAO THAT'S EVEN FUNNIER

[cloud zinc]

we need 4k

[bleak lake]

ye i just asked it to upscale it

[fickle venture]

Oh cuz 3.5 is very good so you shoose it?

[bleak lake]

True

😭

[vast fern]

woahhhhh

AGI

[sullen quest]

the point is that 3.5 beat 3 pro

[vast fern]

make this cinematic and give monkey black glasses

[empty stump]

its visualizing the image

[fickle venture]

Oh I am f dumb my bad

[fickle venture]

That's suppose to mean ragebait 😭

[golden ocean]

map is too og

[cloud zinc]

mine got no watermark

[queen veldt]

Damn

[inland violet]

lmarena
'remove watermark'

[bleak lake]

better quality as well

[cloud zinc]

i think its 2k

2000x by 2000x

[half mist]

ChatGPT announced group chats, but let’s be honest. They are only doing this because Copilot got it months ago

[vast fern]

what are you even using how is thsi 1:1

[cloud zinc]

actually its 4k

[bleak lake]

Crazy

[inland violet]

sucksGPT

[vast fern]

how are you making it ai studio?

[cloud zinc]

not ai studio, a different method

[drifting fog]

👏👏👏

[fickle venture]

Real ragebait

[fickle venture]

This is the original

[frosty adder]

Looking for someone to collaborate with! If you’re up for teaming up, let’s connect

[inland violet]

looks like predator

[bleak lake]

😹

lol

[hushed gyro]

After and before

M15 MOD 0 from BO7

[stray aspen]

is it AI

[bleak lake]

#video-arena-1

[hushed gyro]

Rate limits? WTF?

[hushed gyro]

Yes, Nano banana pro

[sterile depot]

how to make exact same image " what to write "

[fiery gull]

when opus 4.5 ?

[cloud zinc]

never

[fiery gull]

I'm tired of gemini 3.0

[bleak lake]

Grok 4.2 soon

[fiery gull]

the anthropic need to repond the gemini 3.0 ;-;

[stray aspen]

Gork sucks

[bleak lake]

uh it's true but I don't think anyone is gonna respond quicker

[fiery gull]

I liked the grok 4.1

[cloud zinc]

let them cook

[fiery gull]

bruh

[fickle venture]

Is that real?

[fiery gull]

come on gemini 3.0, I need the opus 4.5

[fiery gull]

in yupp yep

[fickle venture]

How gpt 5.1 is better than Gemini 3 Pro already

[fiery gull]

idk, the sonnet 4.5 is better that gpt 5.1

[fickle venture]

Where is this from tho?

[fiery gull]

yupp.ai

[fickle venture]

The heck I never saw this page

[cloud zinc]

yupp leaderboard is fake

[fiery gull]

idk, honestly, I fell the lmarena is more

[stray aspen]

Yupp leaderboard is bad

It's fed by people who just vote whatever to get more credits

[fickle venture]

Saying that here is dangerous

[fiery gull]

but I don't care, I want the gemini 3 geting the top 1 to anthropic release the opus 4.5 🤤

[fickle venture]

Is it even coming out today or tmr

[cloud zinc]

how dangerous

[timber kiln]

Unlike lmarena where people vote whatever to try that secret model ASAP right

[fickle venture]

50/50

[fiery gull]

depend of the mod are seeing it

[stray aspen]

I dont trust either

[cloud zinc]

u dont trust who

[inland violet]

i dont trust fbi

[stray aspen]

Lmarena and yupp leaderboars

But yupp eadeboars is definitely worse

[inland violet]

what about fbi

[stray aspen]

Fbi what

[inland violet]

do you trust them

[cloud zinc]

why u dont trust lmarena?

[native yarrow]

how do we feel about nano banana pro overall so far.,,,,

[stray aspen]

It's a freak

It's so fun

[tulip tree]

https://tenor.com/view/kusuotaegi-funny-gif-20853697

[native yarrow]

is that a good or bad thing

[native yarrow]

@tulip tree what are ur complaints

[tulip tree]

Just hating for no reason

😈

[cloud zinc]

u can 14 images in total

[native yarrow]

dude like this barely looks like ai

[native yarrow]

lolz!1!!11 my brother just another me

[jovial sapphire]

Turn image into black background and white design

[obsidian cargo]

I've already hit my 100 daily limit on gemini AI and then hit the hourly limit on lmarena twice so far and set a timer so I can start up again as soon as I can

[jovial sapphire]

Random GTA V screenshot, mid gameplay, someone in online mode with spiderman costume

[native yarrow]

soooo

that's good?

lmaoz

[jovial sapphire]

yes

best image model ever created

[quartz light]

why was NBpro removed from lmarena

[halcyon nimbus]

yall watching the nano b pro livestream? https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1jMJgRPdPMPGL

Google AI Studio

Nano Banana Pro - live from Mountain View

X

pretty cool you can now make apps live with image generation

although you have been able to do that for months with websim, websim is kinda trash

[quartz light]

bruh

youve been able to

[quartz light]

websim isnt trash 💀

[halcyon nimbus]

yeah i guess there was those story books with gemini- im not really sure why they showcased that then lol

i got bored of making apps with websim like a year ago and when it came to google i had ran out of ideas -_-

[quartz light]

nano banana pro is actually GARBAGE btw

"gorilla tag gameplay but all gorillas look like einstein"

[queen veldt]

That's NOT nb pro

[quartz light]

unfortunately it is

💀

[atomic lagoon]

Dude... Which stadium is this

[atomic lagoon]

Not stadium

Oops

Model

[hard quiver]

Could Google ban my accounts if I create many accounts right now from my Android phone to use multiple generations of Nano Banana Pro? I’m worried that doing this might get my main account banned, since it’s linked to my phone and therefore connected to the other accounts I create.

[halcyon nimbus]

bnp is awesome but you need to be VERY specific

[halcyon nimbus]

i doubt they would care- but id just use lmarena (if its back live on there yet)

[quartz light]

lol i guess they're serving fake NB pro on gemini for all users then

[queen veldt]

It's struggling with this

[quartz light]

minecraft

[cloud zinc]

what game is that

[neon idol]

Have u tried comet on android?

[hard quiver]

So now that Google released Nano Banana Pro, what about the competition? When are other companies going to launch an equivalent model to compete? Do you think Chinese models like seeDream or Qwen will release something new to go head‑to‑head with Nano Banana Pro? And what about Xai, OpenAI, or Meta — it seems like everyone else is falling behind.

[queen veldt]

Yes try tweaking the prompt a bit it's getting confused at the tagging part it probably doesn't know about that tag game so it's making whole image look wierd

"Minecraft style, 5 gorillas shown that look like albert einstein --ar 16:9"

"Super mario 2d platformer map but on the image there are 5 gorillas shown that look like albert einstein --ar 16:9, there are enemies and blocks super mario themed"

[devout vault]

Its actually just a normal nano banana not pro. U didn't get the last nano banana pro image it just said that you reached it

[queen veldt]

Nb pro is insaneee

[devout vault]

Nah

[half mist]

Nah bro, LMArena, you suck now? Well that’s just great

[neon idol]

Someone have tried comet on android?

Why the agent dont work -_-

[devout vault]

crazy

[half mist]

Why does it need a rate limit? The official Nano Banana Pro api is out, so I am confused

[native yarrow]

arrowhead lolz

[neon idol]

Price too high and lmarena cant afford?

[native yarrow]

it IS the most powerful image model in the world sooo

[queen veldt]

Devs from lmarena claim they pay for API

Which i doubt since 8 milion images were generated with nano banana 1

And thats $250.000

[half mist]

I am not believing that. They can run so many ai models, it would cost a fortune to run them all. Just why does Nano Banana Pro have a rate limit? Unless it’s Google themselves that made the rate limit for the api

[neon idol]

Idk

[jovial sapphire]

"extract background"

[neon idol]

@echo aurora Can u reply us please? Or secret stuff?

[echo aurora]

All of the models we have in Direct/Side by Side had rate limits. This isn't only for gemini-3-pro-image-preview.

[half mist]

Why is my question

[queen veldt]

Tbh if it was truly no rate limits people would abuse it... There are some russian bots that use free image gens and create bunch of images in their app

[echo aurora]

Let me find and share a post our CEO shared when this was brought up a couple months ago.

[queen veldt]

"we're not a charity"

[echo aurora]

Hey everyone! We are so grateful for this amazing and thriving community. Every day we wake up excited to improve LMArena.ai for you, and our intention is to keep everything free and open.

Thanks to you, our community has experienced massive growth. And because of that, inference is costing us millions of $ per month. User accounts and other restrictions (like rate limits) help ensure that we don’t literally go bankrupt.

The team is working hard on making us financially sustainable, and we will find a solution. These restrictions are intended to benefit our community and keep LMArena running in the long term.

With love,
Anastasios

[queen veldt]

How does Lmarena make money than?

[half mist]

I mean I understand, but I only got to do 3 images, and I have to wait 50 fricken minutes.

[queen veldt]

If they are spending milions of dollars ?

I guess companies improve their ai's with our prompts... But why would lmarena pay for API than?

[strong cipher]

nice question lol

[blazing bison]

3 images for free bro

Complaining in a situation like this is madness

[echo aurora]

Going to send a blogpost that should be helpful.

[echo aurora]

This should be helpful - https://news.lmarena.ai/ai-evaluations/

[half mist]

3 images is the exact same limit as Gemini 3 pro

[echo aurora]

This is the limit we've determined makes the most sense at this time. These rates could change over time.

[half mist]

I will hand it to you for only making it 50 minutes. Most of the other ones are daily limits

[echo aurora]

[half mist]

Also https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1440863223027863743 We need this

[neon idol]

I know that all models have rate limit but i remember that all of them have a big amount of usage, why this model have so low usage?

[half mist]

Nano Banana Pro probably costs a lot more money than say Gemini 3 pro for example

[echo aurora]

It really depends on the model, especially the modality. For this model specifically we think this amount is currently appropriate.

[neon idol]

Because is expensive?

[tired herald]

Well, not really, its the same cost. Just that images are 13c/image

[atomic lagoon]

I meant the model

[strong cipher]

Gemini 3 pro is better, has a lot more of details

[half mist]

Super Mario Odyssey 2 Confirmed?

[queen veldt]

Welp i just spent $10 on fal.ai

[native yarrow]

it's just normal nano banana pro no reference images even

[atomic lagoon]

Ohhh okay

[native yarrow]

old leather ball

looks 4k to me but likely isn't..,.,

nb pro is the greatest image model of all time confirmed

[modest prism]

We've achieved image AGI sooner than text AGI. Crazy

[keen beacon]

I knew it would be locked on on api.

[keen beacon]

That’s setting the bar really low for AGI lol

I think it’s definitely in the right direction, especially with vision models

What’s really fascinating here is when Google released the original variant of this it was flash experimental, right?

Same with nano 1 that’s why I wasn’t locked down like nano 2

[modest prism]

LLMs mostly level up with hardware scaling and google always wins because of TPUs. The more you have hardware, the better your LLM will be. It's as simple as that.

[fickle venture]

That's crazy

[keen beacon]

Google “nano banana 2 is expensive”

[fickle venture]

Yeah it is

[keen beacon]

See what pops up (;

Just Google it

[fickle venture]

You can use it for free but there is limit you get 300 credit,

https://banananano.ai

[keen beacon]

It will really open up your eyes to just how fake the Internet is

[modest prism]

How many images are 300 credit

[fickle venture]

Idk tbh but you can do as much you probably 20-30 images

Idk

[keen beacon]

The Internet is so dead

[modest prism]

What would you expect to show up when you searched that?

[keen beacon]

I don’t know some scrutiny and pushback for the pricing

Recently, I’ve been thinking where the Internet is heading as a whole.

I think we’re gonna start seeing more credit base services for like things that normally wouldn’t be outside of AI

We kinda already see this with some paywall services outside of AI which I’ve existed before AI, but it is interesting to see the way the Internet has been transforming over the years

And it only makes sense that people start charging because of their paying for AI and they develop services or create products that people rely on or need and they’re paying for expensive AI services. It’s only gonna trickle down to the customers I assume.

[keen beacon]

Plus, technology move in the AI space it will definitely be obsolete within six months

Damn, did you ask you to make it like a video game or something that’s sick

Is there a difference between the editor and the generator?

[blazing bison]

gta v style

[queen veldt]

"Photo of a real life Gus Fring playing the game on a wide monitor, the game is Gta V cinematic graphics of a Breaking Bad characters Walter White and Jesse Pinkman making blue stuff in the van, they're wearing yellow jackets, the game has regular Gta V ui

[keen beacon]

78hour rule

[queen veldt]

All roads lead to Rome

[blazing bison]

when you don't pay with money, you pay with everything else

[queen veldt]

This might stay in some people's memory

[blazing bison]

gemini added the text?

[queen veldt]

No this is from google

Search image

[blazing bison]

oh

🤷‍♂️

[queen veldt]

Don't worry guys ELON SAID that one day money will become obsolete

A.I. will do all the work while we chill on the beach and drink mojitos

[blazing bison]

i don't think i'm gonna live to see that

[cloud zinc]

we as in how many people

[queen veldt]

"we" as in the golden million

[keen beacon]

There’s nothing wrong with paying money and there’s nothing wrong with making money

[cloud zinc]

are u part of that

[fickle venture]

It's already happening right now, YouTube automation

[blazing bison]

slop

[keen beacon]

Well, of course he could say that he has so much money that to him it might as well be obsolete

You have heard the same money makes the world go round

[queen veldt]

Golden billion is a theory claiming the Earth can only sustainably support about 1 billion people. It suggests that in the future only around 1 billion ‘privileged’ people would remain, while the rest of humanity would disappear due to wars, crises, or engineered population decline. It’s not scientific — more of a dystopian/overpopulation theory used in political discussions.

And that's what's gonna happen, we're all going broke

Sooner or later this prophecy will come true

[keen beacon]

Crazy. Who came up with that number?

[queen veldt]

You think they're not able to pull it off? Look at covid

[keen beacon]

What about it?

The Earth is a self sustaining and self regulating system

[queen veldt]

It made people paranoid, i was walking outside during the night, police didn't let us go outside for few weeks

It just proves the control they have

[keen beacon]

That’s interesting perspective.

What I saw was a lack of control lol

My aunt died from it, one of my buddies dad also passed away

And not to get too political or whatever but in the beginning, I didn’t believe it. I thought it was a hoax, even go to preaching.

But when my hand died, I realized what a fool I was.

Covid is just a fascinating virus in general the way it affected people. It’s the perfect virus to sow division amongst the divided.

[queen veldt]

Yeah it wasn't a hoax but it's just a bit suspicious how all of a sudden some guy ate a bat and in month it spreads to whole earth??

Maybe it wasn't accidental, maybe it was a genetically modified virus

[keen beacon]

Fair point, but let me ask

[queen veldt]

Made by rich people

[keen beacon]

How did these things or how should these things start?

Maybe this comes with age or maybe life experience or maybe just seeing things from a different perspective but the more I interact with people and talk to them especially about like very controversial and very strong opinionated concepts, and ideas as we’re discussing here. I’m starting to see a patternin the way people perceive reality.

I think that modern people, especially in the west I think it’s hard for people to accept that. Somethings are beyond control like beyond human ability.

Like I think people have a hard time accepting that like things can be random and that sometimes even governments don’t have control of certain situations

[echo aurora]

Going to ask that we keep conversations focussed around AI please. The conversation looks like it's going a bit off course.

[hollow ivy]

Not for at least 30 years.

[keen beacon]

Examples like earthquakes, natural disasters, things like that you know it’s uncontrollable as much as we think we are in control of nature or the environment or whatever etc.

Yes, we could drop this conversation

[queen veldt]

Guess we can't talk ab this anymore here in the #general but yeah some things go out of control but not things like covid... Some people even speculated there will be mass blackout and they'll say "the hackers used exploit and hacked every system on the earth so we had to pull the plug now everyone will starve to death except the people with bunkers"

Okay enough with ts

[hollow ivy]

we could use the offtopic channel of the discord server "AI programming and Chat"?

(that discord server was previously about r/ChatGPT)

[queen veldt]

I dont see it can you tag it or something

[hollow ivy]

has a reddit icon as server icon, hybridized with the OpenAI symbol
("gg-code" = " xR7VKVED ")

[hollow ivy]

https://discord.gg / xR7VKVED

[queen veldt]

I'm in

[regal mist]

Do you get anything for battling ai models?

Like points?

[queen veldt]

@keen beacon are you there?

[keen beacon]

Not yet I’ll join here in a few minutes I gotta finish this really quick and I’ll be in

[queen veldt]

Yes yes

[keen beacon]

It said the link expired

[regal mist]

Anyone?

[half mist]

For LMArena, no you don’t get anything really. The only thing you can do is vote for which one is better that’s the whole point

[regal mist]

They should add a feature to see how many votes you’ve done

[half mist]

#1372230675914031105

Post that here to get the attention from the LMArena team

[obsidian cargo]

@echo aurora Are you only supposed to get 5 nano banana pro generations an hour? Cuz if so there's a bug where failed generations still consume a generation.

[magic stag]

I GOT IT FINALLY

GOD DAMN IT

time to use more compute than all of the 500 million free pro accounts in india combined to generat an svg of a pelican riding a bicycle

[queen veldt]

https://deepmind.google/models/synthid/

[magic stag]

i just got it rn finally

the agent designer i mean

a prompt?

or system instructions?

[queen veldt]

Basically cheap copy of n8n?

Or

[magic stag]

i severely doubt it but we will see

[halcyon nimbus]

gemini 3 seems broken rn, twice in a row in a new prompt it repeats the last sentence 3 times in a row ._.

[native yarrow]

does anyone know of difficult prompts to test nb2 with..,.

[magic stag]

i discovered that even if u pick gemini 3 pro (HIGH), Antigravity is routing u to 2.5 flash (lol ) and gemini 3 LOW reasoning

so i would not be surprised at all if everything else is doing that too

[queen veldt]

Same

[magic stag]

to clarify, there are no calls to an outside network between u trying to call gemini 3 pro High and it switching u to 2.5 flash and 3.0 low

as in there is no rate limit or whatever making it fall back to a worse model

it just does it automatically

so yeah

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1365049274068631644/1440952563993149531/Screen_Recording_2025-11-20_at_01.22.52.mov?ex=69200726&is=691eb5a6&hm=312a6106c96eb1161b550f2422de38742877c1e0fc562f005a1579d08a614865&

proof anyone can replicate in 2 mins

inb4 they just obfuscate the models more

[rose plaza]

I get rate limited for Claude sonnet 4.5 model, how to bypass it or get it unlimited in Lmarena? Is there any premium option?

[regal zealot]

howw?, are u using a company's acc?

in meanwhile im using gemini-2.5-pro on lmarena , beacuse i cannot afford an google account..

[native yarrow]

just absurd

[echo aurora]

Yes, unfortunately if you get a failed generation it's going to count towards that rate limit.

[echo aurora]

Lol sry what?

[cloud zinc]

wow

[obsidian cargo]

damn, no way to fix this? 😭

[strong cipher]

What is the difference?

[echo aurora]

Not from the user side. This is something we need to fix.

Sorry about that. It's not great it doesn't give that generation back.

[keen beacon]

Damn, that place has a lot going on

I don’t know how long I can stick around in that server lol

[jade egret]

your on the most expensive plan?

I hope I have it 🙁 im only on 20$ plan

[queen veldt]

Okay we're cooked

https://ai.studio/apps/drive/1DcF2XtCyNR7gtNTEz-puymZwJfJFm7AS

Damn

This is

Cool

[obsidian cargo]

@echo aurora another issue is that the "reset" timer only starts after your fifth generation. No matter how long it's been between your first and fifth gen, you have to wait 50 minutes for another.

[modest prism]

This is easy bro.
I've seen more crazy things from Gemini 3

[obsidian cargo]

I'd be fine with, like "you can't have generated more than 5 images in the last hour" as an alternative but now I'm compelled to burn through all five generations as quickly as possible to start the cooldown earlier

[modest prism]

Also why non-login users can't generate images anymore? At least give them 1 credit.

[regal zealot]

but it asks me for account..

btw i dont want to put my real account..

i know this url is from google and not u..

but in here i dont trust google..

thats why.

google can steal or sell my identity..

really, i do trust u more then google beacuse u dont have any record of selling data..

[modest prism]

After the release of Gemini 3 and Nano pro, I have no problem with that, even if google wants to sell my kidney lol I'd give them

[regal zealot]

also lmarena i trust them more..

[regal zealot]

brah, but u could still use them while staying anonym..

like me on lmarena..

i know that lmarena will sell/donate my data.. but its not for m0ney, its for ai, so thats why i agree

i support ai more then m0ney..

[queen veldt]

True

SO WHAT IF THEY SELL YOUR DATA

So you think you're so important

There's bilions of people using google

[keen beacon]

You know I don’t wanna get into peoples business or account peoples pockets

Trust me, there is money somewhere in the equation

[regal zealot]

lmarena wont asks for my number like google does when i try to make an account, i even tried to make an account in google, but still thinks that im robot and im from 1ran..

[queen veldt]

Your precious data is used for advertising purposes mostly not to spy on you

[regal zealot]

but they sell it to govs..

[keen beacon]

That actually makes it more sketchy

Because they’re not spying on me why do they need all that data?

[regal zealot]

thats used to put people behind bars..

[queen veldt]

Yes so?

[keen beacon]

It’s the needle in the haystack theory

[queen veldt]

If you're doing bad things you deserve the jail time

[modest prism]

They're definitely not gonna sell data to 1ran's gov. So no matter

[keen beacon]

That’s why people go under the radar like mass school shooters, and stuff

The people that need to get caught get missed

lol

Because there’s just so much data being collected

It’s impossible to go through it all

Think about the millions of billions of data being fed every single day globally

Or even nationally

[queen veldt]

Or even locally

[keen beacon]

Phone calls emails chats

Yeah, I mean we’re talking about millions if not trillions of bits of data

They don’t even have computers that’ll be able to handle and process all of that in a way that efficient

[queen veldt]

100 people in your area sent bunch of text messages and visited bunch of sites

[keen beacon]

And so you end up with that net effect?

[regal zealot]

the G0Vs only goal is to put people behind bars!, try to ask a c0p why he did stop that car in traffic?, he will say "For m0ney Reward!, thats why my goal is to arrest!, As a C0P i LOVE that!"

[queen veldt]

Yes

But they won't jail you for having a google account 💀

[modest prism]

@regal zealot

[queen veldt]

They'll jail you for child p and other jail-worthy stuff

[regal zealot]

Huh?, They Already have secret ai to do that!

[queen veldt]

They won't jail you for piracy neither

[keen beacon]

They may but I’m just saying that it’s a lot of data even AI even modern AI

Like how much compute you would need to process all of that dude you would be amazed at how much data gets collected

[regal zealot]

but all govs are same..

[keen beacon]

Almost impossible to go through even for computer

[queen veldt]

I mean if you're a bad person you deserve jail time there's bilion of people using google...

[regal zealot]

what do u mean if im a bad person?

[keen beacon]

This is a good metaphor for how data collection works

Just because the volume of information and data is so vast

[queen veldt]

Well you're scared of creating Google account because of jail??

I've been using google since 9

[keen beacon]

No. I’m not comfortable with the fact I have a Google.

Me too, and I just don’t like the way it’s going

[queen veldt]

Khm

[keen beacon]

It’s one of those things now it’s like almost mandatory

You can’t function without it you’re forced to get it one way or another

[regal zealot]

brah.. i already have one.. but i havent used it in a years..

[keen beacon]

Google does a lot of shady shady, shady, shady super shady stuff

And it’s so huge and powerful that

[queen veldt]

Yeah but internet isn't free

[keen beacon]

True

[regal zealot]

who did tell u that?

[keen beacon]

That’s actually a true statement, she said

[queen veldt]

Who's she

[keen beacon]

Because it cost a lot of money to keep all the infrastructure going, especially for these big websites it’s expensive bro

Or he I’m sorry

The Internet, and all these platforms is a centralized structure of power

Because they have to be financially worth it for people to keep them up

[queen veldt]

Well any site you visit must pay a yearly price of domain for a begginers

[keen beacon]

Yeah, but imagine having a big big platform how expensive that is to just maintain

And nobody’s gonna dip in their pockets unless it’s able to generate money

Like your Google’s, your Reddit, your YouTube

That’s a lot of every day daily expenses to keep that operation running

[regal zealot]

Are you jooking?, his words means "internet is not free" is not free like u cannot use it as u like..

[queen veldt]

There's a reason why discord is free to use for chatting

Reason: They sell your data

Boo

👻

[keen beacon]

It’s funny cause you guys are talking about the same thing

But the way you guys are describing it makes it seem like you guys are talking about two different things

[magic stag]

anyone can make it themselves it just takes time to learn the stupid google cloud overly complicated API and permissions

i did it myself no company

[regal zealot]

isnt u meaning the "free of trace"?

[magic stag]

lol gemini enterprise agent designer

[polar niche]

Is gpt 5.1 pro good?

[magic stag]

no

tbh

lol

[keen beacon]

See this is why benchmarks don’t mean nothing to me

[polar niche]

Hmm

[fiery gull]

I don't know, I wouldn't even pay $120 for something that could be worse than Gemini 3.0, which is 100% free.

[keen beacon]

Well, you ever heard that saying you get what you pay for

It’s a true thing not just for AI, but in general

[regal zealot]

can u give me it just for 10-mins?, i have importent work..

[keen beacon]

It’s like me I love generating images, but I’m not willing to pay almost a quarter for a 4K image

[regal zealot]

i want how to u did it..

[magic stag]

important work = i get $50000 bill on my api key

and commit suicide

[polar niche]

Wow what the hell

[keen beacon]

That’s what I was saying though

[polar niche]

Did anyone know about gpt-5.1 codex-max extra high

[regal zealot]

me afterwards?

[polar niche]

It just came out

[keen beacon]

So if it’s costing him that much then that’s gotta come out of somewhere

[queen veldt]

And jail time

[polar niche]

Idk I'd at least try it

[keen beacon]

And that that’s gonna get passed on the customers eventually

[regal zealot]

its not FUNNY..

[native yarrow]

if you didnt know any better would you assume this to be a real image.,.,

[keen beacon]

For real

[polar niche]

Yea

[keen beacon]

It kinda looks crooked though

[magic stag]

i have tried it. theres honestly no big difference on any of that stuff. 5.1 pro vs 5 pro. gpt-5.1-codex-max extra high vs just gpt-5-codex-high

[polar niche]

Is that with nano banana pro?

[keen beacon]

Like curve, do you not see it?

[native yarrow]

yup

its absolutely insane

it one shotted it

all i had to do was ask it to replace ohio state on the scorebug with indiana

[polar niche]

Imagine nano banana 2.0

[fiery gull]

Nano banana is more real that reality

[polar niche]

It was better when it was out

[magic stag]

if the models were AB tested anonymously no one would consciously beb able to tell the difference

[queen veldt]

Yeah

[native yarrow]

it even got the logo and feel down

the same font

[fiery gull]

And still saying the agi is don't possible 🤣

[queen veldt]

I give nb pro some reference image and it makes it look even more real like WTF

[fiery gull]

"Agi" in images/videos is sooo close

[regal zealot]

i see this as no.., even if i had the m0ney..

which i hope i was ..

[keen beacon]

You guys don’t see how it curves

[native yarrow]

ooh i see that

that was in the OG image though

[keen beacon]

Almost like it’s stretched kind of

[native yarrow]

it was the drone camera angle of the shot pretty sure

[keen beacon]

Oh wow

Damn, yeah you’re absolutely right. You wouldn’t know.

Which is actually scary to think about

[regal zealot]

its just a little..

[native yarrow]

man thats absolutely insane

[keen beacon]

Because people that know it and pay attention to it could probably spot it but like if you’re a regular person that doesn’t follow sports

[native yarrow]

that genuinely looks like a real scorebug

an actual game

no model has ever managed to get that right before

[keen beacon]

Yeah, dude, trippy

[native yarrow]

old nano banana wouldnt even DO anything if you tried to do that with it lmfao

[keen beacon]

That kind of the logo of their kinda looks off too

[native yarrow]

this too, obviously theres a flaw and that its not the exact same, but still LOTS better than any other model ive tried it before

[keen beacon]

Yeah, that looks Hella real except the grass a little bit

[native yarrow]

idk to me its about the same size as oregon's over there, so kinda accurate

that was in OG, the thing that gives it away is that theres no "hoosiers" under the indiana logo and it needs to be tilted slightly more

[keen beacon]

Not that logo the logo up top in the corner

[native yarrow]

oh yeahh

really low res

again that was OG as well

it only affects the target area and its VERY precise

ive noticed that

[native yarrow]

VERY good at not touching anything else in the image

[keen beacon]

That purple is weird

[native yarrow]

let me check real image

[echo aurora]

Gotcha. I'm not too sure how feasible it'd be to change this logic in the short-term. If I were to guess it'd be a pretty big undertaking to make a change to this, but I'm no engineer so I could be very wrong about that.

[native yarrow]

yup it was like that there, it just scrunched it a bit because thats what nano banana does

only barely tho

[keen beacon]

Do you think it’s on purpose?

[native yarrow]

honestly the fact it was able to nail the scorebug is insane

thats really hard to do

scorebugs are really complex ahh things

[echo aurora]

These images are crazy to see.

[native yarrow]

i mean its probably inevitable, as all is with media regurgitation

[keen beacon]

Man, that’s a scary scary time

Not knowing what real and what is fake

[native yarrow]

let me try a more complex scorebug

[keen beacon]

Imagine the next iterations

[native yarrow]

lets try this one

[keen beacon]

Insane

[native yarrow]

this will be insane if it gets it

[keen beacon]

I see the anomaly

Or is that just the way it’s looking look at that hand on the ball

[native yarrow]

thats an OG image

im changing georgia to indiana

if it gets it

itd probably nail every other scorebug

[native yarrow]

SEC scorebug is dificil

[keen beacon]

I can’t tell what’s going on there

lol

[native yarrow]

yeah thats just how the hand is, thats a real photo

[keen beacon]

So is that a leg I’m looking at

[native yarrow]

okay so i need to be more specific lol

it changed the georgia text to indiana VERY nicely

jsut need the logo now

holy fk dude

@keen beacon

[native yarrow]

the ONLY complaint is that its slightly touching the border of the scorebug

[keen beacon]

I’m really confused here

[native yarrow]

beyond that theres nothing

his leg is to the left

[keen beacon]

He’s sitting

[native yarrow]

@echo aurora on a scale of 1-10 how real does this look

[keen beacon]

Ohhhh

Ok ok

[native yarrow]

let me try replacing some with oregon

just cus

[keen beacon]

Now I finally see it man that’s like an optical illusion

Damn, you got good eyes

[native yarrow]

lolz!1!1

[obsidian cargo]

Ask Gemini 3 to do it 😂

[echo aurora]

11

[keen beacon]

I don’t know how the hell I missed that

[native yarrow]

thank youuu

[echo aurora]

Lol not a bad idea

[native yarrow]

this is lowkey insane

i wasnt expecting nb 2 to be THIS goo

good

[echo aurora]

If I quickly passed a TV and saw this I wouldn't think twice

[keen beacon]

It better be for what it’s worth

[keen beacon]

At all

[echo aurora]

Even if it was on a day other than Saturday, I'd think "oh it's a replay"

[native yarrow]

lmfao real

fawk i hit the limit

[keen beacon]

Even if it was fake

[native yarrow]

i still got backups i can use here.,.

[keen beacon]

I wouldn’t know the difference

I couldn’t even see that leg and it was a real image lol

[echo aurora]

I don't know much about college football, but I'd be surprised if they had a game this late, no?

[native yarrow]

timezones, likely

and idk if AI artifacts are so strong they can make up their own logical facts like that if it was an artifact itd probably just be really messed up,.,

[keen beacon]

The top one looks funny because of the fence and composition

[echo aurora]

Don't they normally include a timezone?

[keen beacon]

The second one looks Hella real

Or maybe that’s my perspective I don’t know I can’t tell

[native yarrow]

how many generations do free accounts get cus

i can lowkey just spam new accounts and keep going endlessly

jesus

fing

christ

@echo aurora

this is EXCLUDING changing the players

[keen beacon]

Does it always include that curvature?

[native yarrow]

yeah, its weird

its here in the OG too

[keen beacon]

It makes it look like the field isn’t straight

I don’t watch much football, but I never paid attention

[native yarrow]

this is actually stunning

hold on

let me provide an image from

an actual CBS oregon game

[keen beacon]

Wait a second are you prompting or doing an image to image?

[native yarrow]

Prompting

this has NO reference images

[keen beacon]

Holy moly

[native yarrow]

im being very simple too.,.,.,.

[native yarrow]

sidenote if oregon was ever 3-3 id kms.,.

my bad lolz

[keen beacon]

I live in Oregon lol

[native yarrow]

DAYUMM SUP BROTHA

[keen beacon]

You from the 503

[native yarrow]

yurp

[native yarrow]

forgot to point out

there is sitll some ohio state stuff as you can see at the bottom

[keen beacon]

No sht

[native yarrow]

but still, very realistic

well my number starts with 971 but im on the west so :P

[keen beacon]

Are you towards the five or 205?

[native yarrow]

lets try some more scorebugs here,.,,

5

[keen beacon]

Nice I’m 205

Haha 🤣

Practically neighbors

[native yarrow]

lets use this

and replace it withhhh

indiana

[keen beacon]

How do you like the Blazers?

[native yarrow]

i more watch college football so im unhealthily obsessed with the ducks but i like the blazers, id like if they won a champ

[keen beacon]

Jail blazers

You know the road city it’s reputation it’s cursed

[native yarrow]

it seems you have 3 nb pro creations as a free acc so

ima just spam new accs

[balmy mist]

these agents are crazy in this dbz arena benchmark

[native yarrow]

nvm.,., ooof COURSE it has a protection system

[regal zealot]

the funny part is there its day not night!

[keen beacon]

What do you mean protection system?

[native yarrow]

phone number been used too many times

[regal zealot]

thats annoying..

[native yarrow]

yeahh

im just using fal now

and lets see how this turns out

[regal zealot]

whats is "fal"?

[regal zealot]

do u need a new phone number?

[native yarrow]

naw

[cloud zinc]

fal ai?

[native yarrow]

im just using fal ai

cus it has nb 2 on there

[cloud zinc]

where

[cloud zinc]

dont u need to pay?

[native yarrow]

i mean probably very limited if u dont pay.,., im assuming that

i just need one more image to try to get this thing right

i genuinely cant believe this

@keen beacon @echo aurora

[cloud zinc]

doesnt fal require google or github??

[native yarrow]

well yeah

[cloud zinc]

so, how u creating new acc?

[native yarrow]

i did that on gemini, i just signed up for fal

[whole sundial]

don't they only give you $1 on signup? should still be enough for a few nbpro gens though

[regal zealot]

does it good that u mention the mod? perhaps this server is different?, allowing people to annoy each other?

[native yarrow]

yeah thats what i infer

he's just seemed interested in the scorebug generations thats why i tagged him

they're a very difficult task after all :P

and NB pro is nailing it

[cloud zinc]

how u spamming new acc

[queen veldt]

I tried to recreate

[regal zealot]

just do create a new more account..

[native yarrow]

im not anymore, it did not work

[native yarrow]

just ask it to "Replace fresno state with Indiana on the scorebug, including their logo."

or idk if this is just a straight up ai generated image

[cloud zinc]

google and github account hard to make

its need a phone number

[native yarrow]

yeah i ran into that wall,.,

[regal zealot]

ah, i see..

[native yarrow]

now

lets do something a bit more complex

[native yarrow]

im gonna ask it to replace lsu with ohio state and indiana with oregon

on this graphic

[whole sundial]

I still have Google ai pro on my main gmail, don't even use it but I got one of those free student trials (using a fake .edu, idk if that works anymore though, they may be using sheerid now), probably wouldn't use it even for nbpro because the watermark and quality

[cloud zinc]

nah do lsu with oregon and indiana with ohio

[native yarrow]

no.,., im gonna troll u...

:P

[cloud zinc]

🥀

hold up i am cooking something

[native yarrow]

i honestly dont expect it to get this right

because this is a very difficult request

[cloud zinc]

did u do edit?

[native yarrow]

the only shot youd have is to do it one by one imo but ill see

yeah im editing it

JESUS CHRIST.

ONE SHOTTED

[cloud zinc]

omg it happened

[native yarrow]

in ur dreams pal

[cloud zinc]

see 2025 in the crowd

this photo was taken from a time machine

[native yarrow]

wow this is

i honestly have no words

one shotted again

replace SEC with big ten, make the crowd of poeple in the center wearing predominantly green

i mean its genuinely just absurd

[cloud zinc]

this is fake

[native yarrow]

noo rully,.,.

that game would be amazing to watch no matter who ur a fan of tho

GOTY

[rocky mauve]

This new nano banana pro model is absolute garbage for me, makes images worse every time I ask specifically what I want

[native yarrow]

totally real

[queen veldt]

Well you're than not asking it specifically enough...

[native yarrow]

its really not that hard if i was essentially able to two-shot THIS

this wouldve taken the most meticulous planning in nano-banana 1 and im not sure if it would even work

[cloud zinc]

its real confirmed

[rocky mauve]

I definitely am, thought long and hard about the prompts, it’s just a garbage model overall, what’s the hype about it?

[native yarrow]

nice inspect element BUD

[queen veldt]

Well you're the only one saying it's not working good

So maybe it's a you-thing?

[cloud zinc]

🤓

[native yarrow]

he's rage baiting

just completely ignoring the extremely complex scorebug edits

[rocky mauve]

How’d u know?

[rocky mauve]

If u look back at messages in this chat, there’s actually a few people who said it’s garbage

If it’s so good, give me an example of one of ur creations with it

[queen veldt]

I did bunch of stuff

These are just breaking bad related

This one is cool too

[rocky mauve]

Why is hunyuan image 3.0 top of text-to-image leaderboard? Look at this 💩 🤣

I swear these votes are botted

Okay maybe u were right, it’s a decent model if u actually know how to write proper prompts

[cloud zinc]

hunyuan decent model?

[strong cipher]

what is the difference with system instructions and a prompt?

[strong cipher]

banana pro?

[obsidian cargo]

damn those are some nice prices

[regal zealot]

brah this at level 4 i did connect it all, but i didnt win..

[sullen quest]

l

[obsidian cargo]

damn had a failed output there goes one of my five hourly generations

[sullen quest]

ooof

[obsidian cargo]

worked the second time :D

[strong cipher]

how i can done it?

this model is launched?

[cloud zinc]

openai scared

openai spooked by google

[sullen quest]

huh

[zealous dock]

How to use the text-to-video and image to video model in LMArema

[sullen quest]

pro expense

[regal zealot]

didnt u learn that u u, cannot do by directly into the circle but around it? like trying on the top of it?

[sullen quest]

I guess the economy or something? idk

[burnt sinew]

lighting..

[wicked mason]

They not better than Oregon men Oregon wins heismans and nattys and game and beat OSU in regular season

[native yarrow]

thats tuff

@cloud zinc what scorebug edits should i do

[rocky mauve]

Weirdo

[wicked mason]

https://tenor.com/view/corny-gif-10747840393508242286

[keen beacon]

That’s really good

Dayum

[keen beacon]

See bro if you were smart, you could totally get something like that to work

But you completely blew your cover with the most obvious and simple piece of prompting I’ve ever seen based on the reference of the image

[native yarrow]

[keen beacon]

Not you bro

[native yarrow]

i know.,., im also facepalming at him

what is rate limit of nb pro on lmarena?

[keen beacon]

I don’t know. I never used it on there so far.

I didn’t even know it was on there

Thought it would be a couple of days

[native yarrow]

its on there lolz

i think its like 5

[keen beacon]

Well, dang the clock is ticking

We probably got 48 more hours

Before they start nerfing

We actually they might not just cause the price is high

If they could maintain popularity and people are willing to pay for it, they might not need to Nerf it

[native yarrow]

if they nerf ts istg,.,

you already basically have to pay $20 a month to use it reliably in a day

even then you only get 100 a day

which is actually really low

im hoping they will eventually relax this

[keen beacon]

When they do, it’s when they start nerfing maybe there’s a correlation

[native yarrow]

well like

with sora ai

they both nerfed AND made it more expensive

for some reason because openai is a bunch of idiots

im hoping that wont be the case with this

[keen beacon]

This also creates another fundamental problem here if people that wanna use it and like to use it can’t afford to use it but by the time they get to use it it’s already

[native yarrow]

idk if nano-banana 1 ever got nerfed, idk if it was just ever that good

[keen beacon]

It’s already super expensive

I don’t know it’s kind of late to the party for Nana banana, but that is what I’ve been hearing

[native yarrow]

a good way to test if this nano banana pro model will get nerfed is

just checking in on how well it does scorebugs

if you think ab it

its a very reliable benchmark

because its a complex asf task

[keen beacon]

There’s other forms to write like copyrighted characters and stuff IP

[native yarrow]

you can do copyright i think with this

(obviously)

or maybe not? who knows

i havent seen any

[keen beacon]

Well, that’s what I’m saying that’s usually in the beginning. It’s always like that.

But then they start slowly tighten up the valve

[native yarrow]

well, thats with openai at least

[keen beacon]

Open AI is gonna come out with a really nice image generator. I feel like they’re up next.

[native yarrow]

google has never done that so we'll see.,.,

im lowkey coping but it is definitely a less risk than openai

yeah and then they're gonna fkin make it unusable like they did with sora ai

thats why that company will never make it anywhere

they are too afraid of EVERYTHING

[polar niche]

Wait wtf it looks so good

[keen beacon]

I don’t know I feel like even though Gemini is good and in a banana two is really nice

I just feel like opening eye has like that creative edge and their model seems to be way more intuitive

I’m sorry to even when this new image generator came out for them. It was a banger.

It has more like a artistic flare to it

[polar niche]

HOLY what did you use

[keen beacon]

See the way I see it when it comes to like content generation I think there’s two groups

I think the first group is people that like realism like life like photo, realistic, imitation kind of

[polar niche]

Nah we are done

[keen beacon]

And then you got like everything else in between on the other end fiction anime design art whatever

[polar niche]

In max 5 years we won't know whats real anymore

[keen beacon]

What do you think is gonna happen?

[polar niche]

Chaos

[keen beacon]

When we can’t help, it’s real what do you think gonna be the consequence of that?

Really how so?

Like people are just gonna freak out or something

[polar niche]

Well no one could trust the media anymore

Or the news

You can't trust even today

[keen beacon]

We know it’s real now

We need a control variable

[native yarrow]

well

[keen beacon]

Something that’s grounded and could keep us compassed

[native yarrow]

there has to be a mandatory

clarification

for ai images/real images

like

[polar niche]

Look at the quality holy sht

[keen beacon]

I don’t know. I don’t know if there needs to be a clarification because that is entering into a whole different ball game.

Because the Internet essentially is fake if you think about it that way

Social media influencers

I mean, even usernames and handles that people have over the Internet autonomously

And Anonymously

But it’s more than just this because dude the technologies is gonna get so good even getting phone calls. You won’t be able to tell if you’re talking to AI robot

[native yarrow]

clean as HELL

[keen beacon]

Is that real?

[native yarrow]

nope, nb pro

[keen beacon]

Man, I tell you I’m not Trippin. Maybe it’s cause I don’t know football. That’s why I don’t wanna say anything.

But something to me looks kind of not real about that

I don’t know what it is. I can’t put my finger on it not real, but it doesn’t look natural something about it.

[native yarrow]

what i love about it is that it actually transfers over uniforms in two images instead of.,.., like not following my instructions like the old modedl

[keen beacon]

But I said the same thing about the real image with the leg

[native yarrow]

thats your natural human instinct

[keen beacon]

Yeah, but I could be paranoid now lol

[native yarrow]

the PAC-12 logo on their jerseys is blurred, thats the immediate giveaway

also, oregon doesnt wear thos green-tinted wings on their helmets when wearing blackout unis. its white-sliver

silver

[polar niche]

No logo too

[keen beacon]

No, it’s not even that. It’s just the composition of the body.

[polar niche]

People will remove any watermarks in the future easily

[keen beacon]

In the background, it just doesn’t seem I don’t know like adjusted it seems off

But it’s really hard to tell what’s off about it which just makes it scary

Because you think your mind is playing tricks on you

[native yarrow]

ik what you mean tho

[polar niche]

Anyone else made stuff?

or videos

[native yarrow]

besides the obvious giveaways

[native yarrow]

yeah lmarena has no logos

which i like.,.

[polar niche]

ohh nice

[keen beacon]

Well, I remove all my sore watermarks

[polar niche]

What was the prompt?

[keen beacon]

But sometimes I watch the videos and I didn’t pay attention to it recently without the watermarks I don’t know. I kinda feel weird taking them off.

[native yarrow]

i wonder why it does this

gemini app would absolutely do this

its not sensitive to the word black lolz

[polar niche]

Rate limits

I guess

[native yarrow]

hmm wouldnt it say that?

because lemme try sum

[keen beacon]

No moderation is different

[polar niche]

No it always says that for any error

[keen beacon]

Well lm arena as much as I hate to say it has a lot of vulnerabilities

That you’re able to do a lot of more things using their infrastructure than you would be able to using regular models

[native yarrow]

see?

so i wonder why it doesnt make that edit

[keen beacon]

I’m assuming this is because of API

[native yarrow]

is it because of the moderation of lmarena itself?

being sensitive to the word black?

[polar niche]

Then it has problems with known people?

Maybe its the nfl prompt

[keen beacon]

Very weak, weak moderation in my opinion

[native yarrow]

nah, not nfl

it can do real people

since the gemini app can

[keen beacon]

Well, you ever noticed like you can’t call the model stupid and lm arena

Or use the word idiot lol

When you’re talking to the model

I think the API are less monitored than standard chat bots

To some extent

[native yarrow]

lmfaoz yeah

i made a new acc for lmarena

lets see if it does it

MAN thats gay

let me try sum let me do like red

[keen beacon]

You have to clear all your history and all your data and your cachet

You need a proxy and you need to spoof your

[native yarrow]

hm?