general

[mighty ocean]

And it's free

[plucky sparrow]

how do you know it will be free? 😄

[cloud zinc]

general release will be in dec 100%. they go every 6 month a .5 update.

[plucky sparrow]

everyone expecting it will be free cause 2.5 was

[mighty ocean]

Because Google isn't openai

[cloud zinc]

2.5 is free?

[zealous sparrow]

API will ofcourse be paid but if its on ai studio then people happy

[plucky sparrow]

but what if 2.5 was only free, to make and train the killer 3 model they intend to charge a fortune for?

[plucky sparrow]

sort of

[mighty ocean]

And it will definitely be on aistudio

[plucky sparrow]

free in exchange for your data on aistudio

[cloud zinc]

google will block free usage on ai studio

[gaunt spade]

@magic stag bro vanished as soon as we told him to test gpt 5.1

[mighty ocean]

Need us forget that 2.0 and 2.5 were just as big during the time as 3.0 is now

[cloud zinc]

Gemini 3 is available via an API and was also available via Al Studio, which is a developer tool (in fact to use it you need to attest you're a developer). We've now seen reports of non-developers trying to use Gemini 3 in Al Studio and ask it factual questions.
We never intended this to be a consumer tool or model, or to be used this way. To

[mighty ocean]

Yes they will make it free

In terms of they use your data for payment

Free as in free use

[cloud zinc]

they should do this 💯

[stone tundra]

yeah, what u wanna see?

[zealous sparrow]

source

[zealous sparrow]

yes

pelican svg

[mighty ocean]

Gemini 3 was not available on aistudio don't know what that is about

They had a ab test

[zealous sparrow]

one of the checkpoints were

yeah A/B

[mighty ocean]

For a possible Gemini 3.0

[plucky sparrow]

is thjs confirmed or speculation?

[mighty ocean]

But that's old

[cloud zinc]

hopefully its paid only.

[mighty ocean]

Think about it like this

[fresh mirage]

pretty sure it was only available as an a/b test

[mighty ocean]

There competition is based on the fact that they allow us to have access to their models

[mighty ocean]

For free

If they make it paid

[zealous sparrow]

this is 5.1?

damn it sucks

[stone tundra]

ya

[mighty ocean]

And heavily like openai

[zealous sparrow]

can you do svg of pelican riding bike

[plucky sparrow]

only because they've always been close or worse than the latest openai model

but this time is different.. if they didn't nerf it anyway 😄

[mighty ocean]

Yeah not like Gemini 2.5 now

We remember when 2.5 was at its peak

[plucky sparrow]

they weren't free originally. they only became free when they realized they couldn't compete with openai, not having a far superior model. they thought they were at first, but people mocked it

[mighty ocean]

Hold on now

That's not bad

Not incredible but not bad

[plucky sparrow]

that feels nerfed

[mighty ocean]

That's true

I remember that

But keep in mind

Once they gained a bit on the lead

They stayed free

They could of easily made aistudio more expensive or heavier limits

[zealous sparrow]

this aint svg but voxels, yet its still better

[mighty ocean]

But they didn't

[plucky sparrow]

because it's only a bit. and maybe the only reason they stayed free is because they wanted to create a killer gemini 3 😄

we don't know that yet. they might give us flash for free, and charge for pro 🙁

[zealous sparrow]

we will see but like

so far only API was really paid

[plucky sparrow]

i hope you're right, honestly

[mighty ocean]

Me as well

Man I remember the feeling of using aistudio with 2.5 pro for the first time

[plucky sparrow]

i think a lot of epople will be disappoint and a bit mad if you're not, but it also wouldn't be that surprising of google if they did charge

[mighty ocean]

Felt like a superpower

[plucky sparrow]

agreed

[forest prism]

wen GPT 5.1?

[mighty ocean]

It's already released

[zealous sparrow]

released and the svgs arent what we wanted

[noble jewel]

i remember cpl years ago when chatgpt first released lol now just feels like old nokia phone

[proud hazel]

I highly doubt that they will suddenly start charging money. Their models have always been accessible to everyone free of charge and there is a 99% chance that this will remain the case.

[mighty ocean]

It's crazy that I will be known as someone that lived when the first ai released

[plucky sparrow]

this is gpt 5.1 (Polaris Alpha). sort of comparable:

[mighty ocean]

Or llm

Model

[plucky sparrow]

not saying better, just comparable

[zealous sparrow]

how is the test better than release 💀

[plucky sparrow]

openai logic 😄

[noble jewel]

first llm, first flying car, humanoid robots

[plucky sparrow]

we were promised automated cars 5 years ago 🙁

[noble jewel]

we will see all that stuff

[zealous sparrow]

heres some news

So its going to be Gemini 3 pro Image

Aka Nano Banana 2

someone get riftrunner to remake pokemon

[gaunt spade]

remake pokemon?

the gameboy version?

give me a good prompt so i can do my best

[zealous sparrow]

any really uhh

let me think

[zealous sparrow]

Make a game where you fight little creatures to capture them and make them fight for you, something like the game pokemon.

try this one

[gaunt spade]

wait why dont you just use the game ip

is it copyrighted

[leaden laurel]

i didnt get riftrunner in like ten prompts

[proud hazel]

Of course iOS is preferred again... Oh come on Google.

[leaden laurel]

well im going to sleep now

gn

[zealous sparrow]

might reject if you use a copyrighted ip, or just make you a clone

[gaunt spade]

wow i got it in like every 3 prompts

[leaden laurel]

ios paid money for google

i only got bridgemind

[gaunt spade]

bridge-mind is like gpt5.1 level

riftrunner is way better than gpt5.1

[zealous sparrow]

yeah we wont be getting gpt 5.1 on lmarena too soon

google actually being more responsible than openai is crazy

[proud hazel]

Why should they?

[plucky sparrow]

it is kind of ironic ios is preferred, given android is their OS 😄

[proud hazel]

yeah sure

[mighty ocean]

So gpt 5.1 has no API?

[severe urchin]

where is liftrunner on LMArena

[mighty ocean]

Battle arena

[severe urchin]

where is it

[mighty ocean]

It's a chance not a direct convo

You just spam arena till you happen to get it

[severe urchin]

where is the channel on discord

[proud hazel]

@deep adder iOS was the market leader in the United States for a very long time, but since Q2 2025, they have been on par with iOS. In 2026, Android will also overtake iOS in the United States. Android is already the market leader in every other country around the world.

[echo aurora]

It's not on Discord, you'll want to go to -> https://lmarena.ai/

[severe urchin]

where (on riftrunner)?

i dont see it

maybe a secret?

[zealous sparrow]

go to battle mode and spam prompts till you get a generation

[gaunt spade]

battle mode

[plucky sparrow]

iOS been winning since June 2022 apparently:

[echo aurora]

For models that are using a codename, you'll have to use the Battle mode and there is a chance you'll be sampled that particular model

[empty stump]

Did anyone get gpt 5.1 access on chatgpt yet

[zealous sparrow]

nope but we got some pelican svgs in chat from someone who did

[empty stump]

Is Polaris alpha still there

[zealous sparrow]

probably s

[empty stump]

Ok ill just use that

And test it

[zealous sparrow]

so

polaris was actually better i think

gpt 5.1 pelicans are like worse

[mighty ocean]

Is Polaris alpha on lmarena battle arena

[obsidian cargo]

nope

it is on openrouter though

[gaunt spade]

riftrunner is

and its 100x better

[mighty ocean]

Yeah riftrunner just takes forever to get to

[zealous sparrow]

gpt 5.1 wont be long on lmaerna

[mighty ocean]

Is riftrunner Gemini 3

[zealous sparrow]

there is no API on release

[mighty ocean]

Y'all thinking

[zealous sparrow]

we did too many tests to not conclude it not being gemini 3

if it sonnet tho

nah

[mighty ocean]

Damn

So riftrunner

You calling top rn?

We calling it 100x better

[zealous sparrow]

imo recreate doom is a great new AI benchmark

since riftrunner can do it

[gaunt spade]

gpt5.1 will never make doom as riftrunner did lol

[zealous sparrow]

struggling with pelican svgs what makes you think this model can do it

havent gotten riftrunner for a while now

That's new..

[mighty ocean]

Whats raptor

[gaunt spade]

my chat has reached limit, since i did 7-10 prompts on it

[mighty ocean]

Just got it in arena

[zealous sparrow]

trash

[gaunt spade]

amazon AI

[zealous sparrow]

wdym limit

[gaunt spade]

if u chat with them without voting, there's also a limit

[mighty ocean]

What prompt should I try running with arena for riftrunner

[zealous sparrow]

but like for one convo or

this tweet is truth and only truth

[gilded trail]

map of the world by random ais

[zealous sparrow]

ah yes SQUARE

only gemini 2.5 pro could really make a proper map

[ashen mauve]

perfect flat earth now has square earth

[gaunt spade]

i wonder how riftrunner does on this now

[ashen mauve]

good work gang

[gilded trail]

by willow

[ashen mauve]

blob earth

[gaunt spade]

thats prehistoric earth

[gilded trail]

by grok 4 fast

[ashen mauve]

its a good close try

[gaunt spade]

earth map made by 1600s travellers

[zealous sparrow]

would want to see someone try

[gaunt spade]

well i gotta try to get riftrunner again 😭

[zealous sparrow]

Im using codearena and trying but my rng sucks

[gaunt spade]

i aint using codearena

that doesnt give me riftrunner

[zealous sparrow]

gave me a few times and i made the doom in it

[gaunt spade]

thats why ur doom was better probably

cuz mine was in the text battle

[zealous sparrow]

I feel like codearena has a different sys prompt

payload is obfuscated obv

if i dont get it rn ill try tommorow if its still on the arena

lot of thinking from this model i got rn

[gilded trail]

uuh

[zealous sparrow]

who dis

[lofty frigate]

Is there a way to stop this? Its annoying

[zealous sparrow]

no it has to happen

[zealous sparrow]

which model made this

[lofty frigate]

Damn

[gilded trail]

idk i need to wait first

but ts bugged and not generating

[zealous sparrow]

happens

refresh page

will let you choose if it fails

[gaunt spade]

whats your prompt

[gilded trail]

make an svg map of the world

[zealous sparrow]

did it generate after you refreshed

[gilded trail]

no..

map from qwen btw

[zealous sparrow]

ah yes Antarctica is a trapezoid

[gilded trail]

everything here is upside down lell

[gilded trail]

ok

it was winter-wind

thinking opus

[zealous sparrow]

Llama is so going to revolutionize AI

nvm raindrop is llama

what bout winter wind tho

apparently its a google model

no way in hell

willow has ratelimits btw

[gaunt spade]

what

even in battle?

[zealous sparrow]

cuts off randomly when i prompt in battle

[gaunt spade]

thats prob an error

like 4.5 sonnet

[zealous sparrow]

its the only model which is doing this

[gaunt spade]

whats that

[gilded trail]

glm 4.6

[gaunt spade]

thats good tbh

not bad for glm

[zealous sparrow]

A benchmark i like for ai is greentext writing

riftrunner makes some nice ones

even getting certain info right

[balmy mist]

How good is GPT 5.1 thinking?

[inner gate]

Didn’t it just release?

[balmy mist]

1 hour ago

[leaden egret]

raindrop kinda bad in what i experienced

I bet riftrunner has like 1500 on the arena

It's sooooo good

[gilded trail]

i still dont get it for svg map

[tribal aspen]

I love the new lmarena code thingy

but it lacks the cool models

Like codex

opus thinking

etc

I wish i could choose from the direct chat within code arena

[gaunt spade]

its gpt 5 with a different sys prompt

i guess

[gaunt spade]

opus thinking is in battle mode

[tribal aspen]

I think it should be in the direct chat as well for code arena

also codex

given that gpt 5 high is also not there

[tulip tree]

https://tenor.com/view/no-noooo-british-cop-screaming-no-despair-crying-gif-14408871079120163442

[gaunt spade]

https://tenor.com/view/diddy-diddy-stare-stare-diddy-baby-oil-puff-daddy-gif-15764673949371655817

[tulip tree]

Is this ai

I can't believe anything anymore

[gaunt spade]

nano banana 2

[tulip tree]

See

I have trust issues

[gaunt spade]

lol

fr

[gilded trail]

made by gpt-oss

[gaunt spade]

did u get riftrunner yet

[gilded trail]

no

[tulip tree]

Is this a good image for Google ai pro that I'm paying for @gaunt spade

[gaunt spade]

yea ig

but nano banana 2 is gonna make it better

[tulip tree]

Make it better fr

[gaunt spade]

u get 2k quality

[tulip tree]

Damn

Let me guess

Its paid

[gaunt spade]

no

[tulip tree]

Wut

How

[gaunt spade]

but its gonna cost

idk

[gaunt spade]

its free for some gens on Google AI Studio

when it releases

[tulip tree]

Cool

[gaunt spade]

not sure on gemini

[tulip tree]

So about Gemini 3 is it gonna be free or wat

[gaunt spade]

same thing

[tulip tree]

Does google ai pro even unlock a new model

I feel like I'm scammed

I dunno if the image quality is the same

[gilded trail]

shitted in pants at first

[tulip tree]

Can Gemini make this fr

[gilded trail]

eh it was just image

[tulip tree]

I'm gonna try doing this

[burnt sinew]

For me that just means infinite free gens

[burnt sinew]

Probably in dataset...

[quaint flicker]

Any way to figure out what video generation tool makes the clips?

[burnt sinew]

Ask it to do something different maybe that it needs to be intelligent for

[inner gate]

Oh I see

[burnt sinew]

Like make each country's size depend on their population

[tulip tree]

Gemini 2.5 flash is so ass

Can't even generate text

In images

[zealous sparrow]

It can do so in app tho..

[tulip tree]

App?

Wut

[gilded trail]

finally

[zealous sparrow]

Gemini app and the 2.5 flash model

[zealous sparrow]

Did it cook or did it burn

[gilded trail]

uhh weell

[tulip tree]

Yeah the flash model sucks

[gilded trail]

ais still sucks in world maps

[zealous sparrow]

Gemini 2.5 pro did this so much better sadlu

[tulip tree]

The paid model is better tbh

Wait is Gemini pro paid?

I just realised

[zealous sparrow]

For lots of use yes

For minimal use no

[tulip tree]

I will try generating text

Like in an image

[gilded trail]

even minimax make graphics better

[quartz light]

its not google lol

[zealous sparrow]

Lame llama too?

Damn

[quartz light]

btw bridge mind is gemini 3

but with like

every limit imaginable

like it can only go up to around 3800 tokens

and it errors every time so if u load the chat after it cut off then u wont see response bcuz lmarena

also it doesnt have image input support

riftrunner has image input support

[gilded trail]

absolutely new benchmark bicycle riding on pelican svg

willow or gpt5.1 or smth failed

[quartz light]

holy #### that is the worst result ive ever seen

@gaunt spade look at ts 💀

[gaunt spade]

damn, i never thought i would see the most trash SVG of the pelican until now

fr

[quartz light]

gpt 2 would do better 💔

[gaunt spade]

riftrunner is massively better than openai's best models combined

🔥

[gilded trail]

sonnet 4.5 is pretty silly

[quartz light]

but still

gemini lobotomised

[gaunt spade]

ur prompt is a bicycle over the pelican?

[gilded trail]

ye

[quartz light]

btw heres my tool for u: https://svg.on.websim.com

[burnt sinew]

Step 1. Make agi
Step 2. Lobotomy

[gaunt spade]

even the lobotmised version acts better than gpt

[gilded trail]

they look like ___

[zealous sparrow]

Who made this

[gilded trail]

QWEN3-MAX

[quartz light]

how

[obsidian cargo]

||for anyone with OBS (oatmeal brain syndrome) this is fake||

[quartz light]

wdym? isnt it on https://chat.qwen.ai already

[gilded trail]

i mean that qwen3 made this svg kekishe

[quartz light]

ohh

[gilded trail]

dalle 3 is still avaible eventhough its been 2 years

[obsidian cargo]

somehow, there are still people who consider dall-e-3 their favorite image gen model

[severe urchin]

cant find riftrunner

please tell me how to find

[whole sundial]

I've heard people say dall-e 2 was their favorite as recent as 2-3 months ago, that model is still available on the api btw

[quartz light]

https://api.websim.com/blobs/019a7a2b-f9b6-7398-ab5b-60509cb4609d.txt

[mighty ocean]

Glm 4.6

Did a pretty good job

That's not bad

Good details on the bird

Glm doing a better than gpt 5.1 and sonnet 4.5?

Job*

There better cropped

[sharp mirage]

did 5.1 gpt ?

are 5,1 real ?

[obsidian cargo]

yeah 5.1 is rolling out, I got access to it

it's better than I was expecting I think

[iron cipher]

WebSim!

[fossil fable]

if 5.1 kicks the arena in the nuts i have a feeling that it MIGHT prove it a fad

preference afv is about sucking the user not actual content

[quartz light]

:)

updated prompt:

https://api.websim.com/blobs/019a7a43-7e7c-72ac-a9dc-15c4f6c14544.txt

[sage horizon]

hello, how can i get riftrunner?

[quartz light]

lmarena battle mode, vote to reveal model, chance to get riftrunner

[sage horizon]

Has it not been released in Direct Mode yet? And is it Gemini 3 as people expect?

[obsidian cargo]

1. no
2. nobody knows for sure

codenamed models are never available on direct mode

[sage horizon]

Okay Thanks ❤️

[gleaming roost]

😉

[quartz light]

yall please try this

[bleak jetty]

Gpt 5.1 before gemini 3.0 pro is wild

[fossil fable]

✅

it just doesn't do it well

It feels way more like that specifically on the arena but wtv

[quartz light]

check it out

got riftrunner to reason ontop of its existing reasoning!!!

56kb.. nice

I haven't tested the html file it gave yet

[spark bison]

any free online generator with loras support? there's 2 for sdxl but output is very bad even with proper workflow and only one lora support (under 400mb)

[jade egret]

guys

[jade egret]

FR

gpt 5.1 good or nah?

[obsidian cargo]

its good

maybe

like, it's not mind-blowing, and my opinion on models tends to go down after the new model smell wears off

but right now I'm finding it better than expected

[jade egret]

o

but gemini 3 will be much better I think?

[obsidian cargo]

probably

right now I feel like 5.1 is comparable to gemini 2.5 pro in many ways (and it's probably a lot better at coding), so gemini 3 should be better, but it's also possible that gemini 3 just feels like an iterative improvement

[sullen quest]

I mean pretending that 2.5 pro is even comparable in coding to gpt 5 or claude is ridiculous

[obsidian cargo]

I mean, on lmarena it's still the best at creative writing

[wheat onyx]

5.1!

[quartz light]

sorry for not uploading

https://123.nekoweb.org/ai/stealth/riftoom2.html

i fixed doors and too many enemies

[wheat onyx]

This came at a great time for me

[jade egret]

bro it like 8 month old

ofc it not good compare to current 😭

[torn mantle]

nah

[jade egret]

oh

idk, but you won't be 100% sure too

nobody really knows for sure

or thye don't want to release it for whatever reason

it not impossible tho

adn there's might be more reason to why they aren't realeasing it to the public

I don't know?

we don't need to know everything

isn't the checkpoints good tho?

it looks pretty good

yea but it good

also gpt 5.1 bechmark not out yet?

[sullen quest]

There's stuff under the codename polaris alpha already

tbf, there's no way google has nothing good in the ai space, they aren't meta

If I had to guess, they don't really know how to make a better all purpose model than 2.5 pro, all the new checkpoints they have are all coding-focused

And until 2.5 pro leaves first on lmarena there isn't a major reason to show off a better model.

meh, ok

yeah lol

[queen veldt]

Nah what's Amazon on

[red sluice]

Grok fooled me, I genuinely thought it was Claude telling me he couldn't do that 😭

[wintry tinsel]

2.5 pro is number 2 or 3 in creative writing sonnet 4.5 and Opus are both tied for 1

Anyone who claims fekin deep seek or kimi is the best just….

Has terrible taste

[main nimbus]

5.1 is, without any clear contest, the most sycophantic model I've ever seen

[main nimbus]

Wait, Brother Whale roleplays real good 🐳

[sullen quest]

oh boy!

[safe sleet]

Worse than 4o?

[jade egret]

agree

[sullen quest]

raptor isn't that good

[jade egret]

educated guess

[main nimbus]

I use this benchmark. Deepseek was the former champ. 4o was up there. 5.1 is actually crazy here

[stray mortar]

GPT N%.1

5.1

[hybrid laurel]

K do how do we go to the lm video arena arena

[daring rock]

Please head to #1397655624103493813 for a detailed guide on how to use the bot

[night nexus]

Why qwen3-max-preview out performs qwen3-max-2025-09-23 (stable version) in text arena?

[sullen quest]

idk

[livid karma]

praying that riftrunner is gemini 3 flash, not pro

or some kind of "thinking-low" version of pro

it is the same/regressed on my comic transcription task 😭 have been desperate for google's image understanding all year so this is a bitter disappointment

[sullen quest]

2.5 pro is actually pretty good at ocr, so arguablly the only direction for them is down.

[livid karma]

grok isn't in contention for my personal task, it's too dumb, but i found that gpt5-thinking-high was a very strong image understanding update that almost equals gemini 2.5 pro. it's way better than any 4o or o1

i will also note that raptor-vision is quite decent at my task, a bit short of gemini 2.5 pro. if it's deepseek they have levelled up the same way openai have

my task is about annotating comic panel transcriptions with detailed description of body poses and expressions

🤔 well then

[limpid walrus]

Helloo 👋🏻

[livid karma]

image understanding is mysterious. but my task also involves a bit of intelligence inferring what's important to note, so o4-mini is quite bad at it, anything mini is pretty bad at it

[jade egret]

bro fr when is gemini 3.0?

[graceful spindle]

what's the VIPER model?

[livid karma]

wahoo they'll fix the image understanding

[pale loom]

create a 58 seconds video with this text: clouds raining money

[ashen plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[torn mantle]

create a 58 seconds video with this text: clouds raining money

not working

[dense isle]

How much video generate in a day

[toxic egret]

#1397655624103493813

[fiery gull]

5

[fiery gull]

Because the preview is better

Is gpt 5.1 better that sonnet 4.5? 🤔

[wheat onyx]

im finding 5.1 is really good. it's been improving my legal reasoning answers quite a lot over 5

[torn mantle]

https://x.com/Baidu_Inc/status/1988820837898829918

Baidu Inc. (@Baidu_Inc)

Here comes ERNIE 5.0 — our latest natively omni-modal foundational model.

It excels in omni-modal understanding, creative writing, instruction following, and more.

We will continue investing in and developing more cutting-edge models to push the boundaries of intelligence.

X · Nov 13, 2025, 4:06 AM

[lofty frigate]

Am i the only having this issue that the generated pic wont reload unless i reload the page?

[hollow thicket]

sounds VERY promising

pog

(though i hope it is not censored.)

nvm it is not open weight and behind login page that doesn't work

https://tenor.com/view/anime-apothecary-diaries-kusuriya-no-hitorigoto-maomao-unclephuc-gif-12847734050101293004

[halcyon nimbus]

whats gpt 5.1s context window?

[earnest rover]

@echo aurora so you guys are removing webdev arena soon ?

[stuck orchid]

When will Gpt-5.1 be available on LmArena? I want to compare the battles

[hollow thicket]

horrible at instruction following

salute~2

[robust sluice]

me too, but the download button still works when this happen

[honest gulch]

Please fix this issues

[leaden sun]

ernie reminds me a lot of gemini for some reason, i like it so far, great to see those bench stats, thanks for sharing 😊

[burnt reef]

Hi. I'm new here. How is everyone doing?

[honest gulch]

@leaden sun

[whole sundial]

image gen

[hearty prawn]

https://x.com/arena/status/1988666396327473452?s=20

lmarena.ai (@arena)

🚨The Top-5 models on the new WebDev leaderboard, powered by Code Arena!

- Claude Opus 4.1
- Claude Sonnet 4.5 (thinking-32k)
- Claude Sonnet 4.5
- GPT-5
- GLM-4.6

X · Nov 12, 2025, 5:53 PM

Anyone see this? GLM-4.6 is that powerful?

[hollow imp]

Sadly gpt 5.1 has arrived

[torn mantle]

and sadly its not that good

[hollow imp]

It is

It's thinking for longer

[ocean vortex]

sadly there's no API

and not even 1 real benchmark from them

So they focused on personality, style and varying output lengths. But I'm gonna assume at best it is beyond gpt5 performance by a margin of error. Otherwise they would have shown it lol

Not impossible that it performs slightly worse than 5.0 on benchmarks either

[verbal nimbus]

It is able to write many lines of HTML/JS/CSS without any errors, so not surprised to see it so high.

I wonder how it compares to Kimi K2 Thinking.

[verbal nimbus]

Oh is it mainly for ChatGPT?

[modest prism]

Any news about when gpt 5.1 is going to be available in API and therefore on lmarena?

[ocean vortex]

yes

Their system card gonna satisfy all the safety enthusiasts but no one else lol

https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/4173ec8d-1229-47db-96de-06d87147e07e/5_1_system_card.pdf

[keen viper]

A.I is crashing

[dapper carbon]

why when i upload an image into direct chat it directs me to image gen models

[queen veldt]

Ayo???

Gemini 2.5:
https://gemini.google.com/share/b0152cb91a29

Gemini 3:
https://gemini.google.com/share/bf04f82b02b5

Although they say it's only for canvas idk

[patent bane]

how do they know it's gemini 3?

[queen veldt]

It's for iPhones and androids in the gemini app

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bard/s/C2uGXhD9ar

[halcyon nimbus]

eh just ab testing nothing new

[magic stag]

Nope

We are getting it every single time

This currently with method

2.5 pro in ai studio 1 weeke ago

[dry siren]

im getting this too. thought it was just me

[severe urchin]

It still says Gemini 2.5 how can I get Gemini 3.0?

[magic stag]

This rn Gemini 3

Vs

[queen veldt]

Yes it's not "ab testing" it's ALWAYS gemini 3, probably tomorrow or in 12 hours we'll get it everywhere not just in canvas

[halcyon nimbus]

cool seems real, cant be bothered going on mobile, but yeah should be in ai studio today prob

[severe urchin]

No models yet

[ebon panther]

hello guys, is it not possible anymore to use screenshots in text models ? i used to send screenshots to describe my problems, but now when i do it, the interface tells me to select an image model instead of text model

[queen veldt]

No you just press X on the image button above the textbox (not the image itself ) and it goes back to regular text model

[ebon panther]

when i do it i get this:

[queen veldt]

Try dragging it to prompt

[dry siren]

yeah i get the same message

[queen veldt]

Or try pressing add a document instead of add an image

There's a way you just gotta find it

[dry siren]

both dragging and dropping, and adding a file by the button do it

[ebon panther]

thanks bro, i just saw a thread about this, it appears that im not the only one facing this problem and the dev team are working on it. Thanks a lot guys

[queen veldt]

Idk i had that problem too but i know i did it some way

The fact that it made the size of each key exactly how it should be and spacing is correct ... This is insane

[hearty ferry]

do anyone here knows about Google Gemini JailBreak?

[stuck orchid]

Gemini 3 will be available in AiStudio this week or next. 100%

It's coming out so soon for a simple reason: if it's already this good, what's the point of Google keeping it hidden?

[stray aspen]

gemini 3 on android?

[hearty ferry]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zealous sparrow]

hey, so.

[stray aspen]

yeah

android gemini app canvas is so great rn

[zealous sparrow]

only the pro model btw

flash has no updates

[gilded trail]

which is better
https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5/ or https://gemini.google.com/share/d6bc6dc5fbba

[zealous sparrow]

5.1 flopped

[stray aspen]

wdym whic is better

[zealous sparrow]

which model

the canvas one is gem 3 pro

[knotty forum]

Imagine training gemini 4 on quantum computer

[zealous sparrow]

okay if google already soft rolled out for android

pc when

[stray aspen]

this is so great

made on android gemini app

[zealous sparrow]

atp they should just drop it on ai studio

feedback is only positive from that one group

[queen veldt]

Was this 1 prompt or?

[gilded trail]

1

[queen veldt]

Damn

[stray aspen]

wish i could share the canvas but college account wont let me

[zealous sparrow]

on the topic of AI doom
damn i got so beaten https://x.com/ucfufd92897/status/1988908056395030667

MaxAiNews (@ucfufd92897)

Gemini 3.0 on canvas mode made a perfect doom game!

A new canvas model is rolling out for all users on Gemini mobile that is capable of doing crazy stuff.

It excels in coding and UI generation.

Check the thread to try AI-DOOM!

X · Nov 13, 2025, 9:53 AM

[stray aspen]

thats nuts

[zealous sparrow]

so like

my AI doom was the best one

till this sh drops

minimap

sound effects

bruh how

[queen veldt]

The fact that ball rotates while moving and clouds are going slowly with each cloud moving at different pace and the sun and the game over screen...

[gilded trail]

https://gemini.google.com/share/29721ada09b3 BICYCLE RIDING ON PELICAN SUCCESFULL??

[zealous sparrow]

I have some high hopes Gemini 3 full release this november, because just softlaunching on app is bruh

[stray aspen]

does google have a conference today

[zealous sparrow]

not that i know of but i think they said something

about building with gemini on a discord event

wait

[stray aspen]

i thought i heard about start prompting like a pro

but i could be wrong

[queen veldt]

https://g.co/gemini/share/2f0ffa801982

[zealous sparrow]

https://x.com/GeminiApp/status/1988696155170206117

Google Gemini App (@GeminiApp)

Ready to learn how to Prompt Like A Pro? Join us for our next Discord event tomorrow, 11/13, at 11:30am PT to watch Google Deepmind’s Director of Product Management @triswarkentin spotlight real-life use cases and prompts, then offer tips to take your prompting skills to the next

X · Nov 12, 2025, 7:51 PM

yeah

[stray aspen]

maybe they are routing us to gemini 3 just for that lol

[queen veldt]

That might mean we'll get nano banana 2??

[gilded trail]

yo thats cool

[zealous sparrow]

how much usage you got

[stray aspen]

i got like 100 prompts a day

or idk

its a college account

so we got a business plan

[zealous sparrow]

can you make one i request rq

flamethrower sim where you can spawn some objects to burn

also gpt 5.1 is also not immune to seahorse emoji

[stray aspen]

this is nuts

[zealous sparrow]

what is this exactly

[stray aspen]

mq 9 reaper simulator

needs some improvements

but for first try this is actually insane

[zealous sparrow]

link

i wanna try

[stray aspen]

i cant

college account wont let me idk why

[zealous sparrow]

what stays in education stays in education?

[zealous sparrow]

this is just blacked out for you?

[stray aspen]

no its there

but it just copies the whole code

[queen veldt]

Wait dod you have to sign for college somewhere or did you just enter with college account?

[stray aspen]

i have a college account

which has a business plan

[queen veldt]

Me too

[zealous sparrow]

just send the code?

[stray aspen]

ok

[zealous sparrow]

space invaders is the easiest shtuff you can make

[queen veldt]

AGI

[gilded trail]

huuuh

[zealous sparrow]

i doubt this is a svg

this is either iframed or image

check code

or give me it ill check

[gilded trail]

https://gemini.google.com/share/b899e52babc9

[zealous sparrow]

some interesting lines

[zealous sparrow]

from my understanding

this links to a script

yeah just how i thought

https://unpkg.com/world-atlas@2.0.2/countries-110m.json - this is a file that contains country positions and names

polygons and stuff

[zealous sparrow]

half authentic since its not really drawn

not from memory

[gilded trail]

yea im just fooling

its still makes it like that

[zealous sparrow]

which model made that other one

[gilded trail]

same

[zealous sparrow]

that one was better tho

prob because of the json file reference

it knew coords and shapes

[stray aspen]

not bad

the first model that generates a terrain on roblocks that you can call decent

[zealous sparrow]

this is the default terrain tho

ask it to make a lava one

[polar niche]

Where is gemini 3.0

[stray aspen]

on android gemini app

canvas

[polar niche]

Only on canvas?

[gilded trail]

space invaders by gpt 5.1

[zealous sparrow]

only on android canvas

and only for the pro model

[zealous sparrow]

will you ask it to make a lava terrain

[wheat onyx]

i'm finding the 5.1 model is much better. quite happy with it's output. could always have better reasoning but it's not bad at all

[zealous sparrow]

instant or thinking

[gilded trail]

space invaders by gemini

https://gemini.google.com/share/fd82a8d793d4

[gaunt spade]

@stray aspen GEMINI 3 IS OUT?

or nah

[wheat onyx]

thinking. but both are better

[gaunt spade]

GUYS IS GEMINI 3 OUT

[zealous sparrow]

only on android canvas

and only on the pro model

[gaunt spade]

wtf is android canvas

[leaden laurel]

i cant use it

it doesnt work for me on mobile

[gaunt spade]

does that mean paid users

or free users

[gaunt spade]

maybe u need a USA vpn

for it

[zealous sparrow]

android app canvas

i would say its more of a rollout than region

since i got it

im in EU

[zealous sparrow]

free users only get a few gens from 2.5 pro daily

[gaunt spade]

do u need to pay

dang

[leaden laurel]

hold on im trying to do a fix

[zealous sparrow]

you get few prompts free for 2.5 pro everyday
paid users get more

but its canvas

we dont know the full rollout because ith asnt happened

[gaunt spade]

@zealous sparrow can u recreate the Doom game, to see if its better than riftrunner

[stray aspen]

Was already done

[gaunt spade]

yall made a doom game already

is it better

[stray aspen]

Yes

[gaunt spade]

wait can u forward it or reply with it

[stray aspen]

It's there

[gilded trail]

it was from first prompt??

[zealous sparrow]

https://x.com/ucfufd92897/status/1988908056395030667
bro i got cooked

MaxAiNews (@ucfufd92897)

Gemini 3.0 on canvas mode made a perfect doom game!

A new canvas model is rolling out for all users on Gemini mobile that is capable of doing crazy stuff.

It excels in coding and UI generation.

Check the thread to try AI-DOOM!

X · Nov 13, 2025, 9:53 AM

[cloud zinc]

so, gemini 3 coming next weeks by the looks of it.

[gaunt spade]

im happy that its better than riftrunner

fr

@stray aspen can u do some three.js tests with it

[cloud zinc]

veo 4 incoming?

[gaunt spade]

thats the preview models tho, not the official release

[gilded trail]

gemini can make placoholder images now?

https://placehold.co/88x31/FF00FF/FFFFFF?text=IE+NOW!

[gaunt spade]

do yall have the paid subscription for it

[gilded trail]

no i just have many accounts

[gaunt spade]

but @zealous sparrow said free users dont get gemini 3

[gilded trail]

but ill guess buying advanced soon

[gilded trail]

no its avaible for free

[gaunt spade]

u can select it?

[gilded trail]

no

its just on auto

but not shows

[cloud zinc]

free user get gemini 3?

[gilded trail]

yeah in canvas

only on mobile rn

[cloud zinc]

how u know its gemini 3

[gaunt spade]

it says "gemini 2.5 pro"

on the model section

[balmy mist]

its out?

[cloud zinc]

yeah 2.5 pro. why u lying

[cloud zinc]

nah

[gaunt spade]

@stray aspen how do we know if its gemini 3

[gilded trail]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1ovvmjo/not_hype_posting_gemini_3_is_rolling_out_to/ just check ts or smth

[cloud zinc]

bro trusting a reddit post

[gaunt spade]

is this gemini 3

im on canvas rn

[gilded trail]

on mobile?

[cloud zinc]

looks like gemini 2.5 pro

People underestimate Gemini 2.5 pro

[gaunt spade]

im on canvas yeah

android

but it says "gemini 2.5 pro" under the model name

[gilded trail]

oh i forgot did u sit in app version

[cloud zinc]

wow

[gaunt spade]

i have the app downloaded

[gleaming roost]

???

[gaunt spade]

gemini app

@gilded trail how do I know if I run out of Gemini 3 usage

btw

[gilded trail]

did u writed there?

[gaunt spade]

yea

[stray aspen]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[cloud zinc]

its only for gemini 2.5 pro that moves u to gemini 3

[gilded trail]

then ye it is

[cloud zinc]

free user only get 5-6 usage per day

[gilded trail]

its the same as gemini 2.5

pro

[gaunt spade]

so if i run out of gemini 2.5 pro, thats gemini 3 credits now?

its also thinking alot

more than 2.5 pro would

[zealous sparrow]

no i didnt really say that

[gilded trail]

try to make something else

[zealous sparrow]

i said

[gaunt spade]

im making 3D flappy bird rn

[cloud zinc]

yes

[zealous sparrow]

that free users only get a few generations of 2.5 pro daily + canvas [gem3

And paid get more!

[cloud zinc]

u need to buy gemini ultra to get more

[gaunt spade]

yeah i finally got it

[cloud zinc]

can it create image?

[gaunt spade]

idk, canvas is like a coding section

[leaden laurel]

can i ask some people to run it for me if i get ideas for prompts

i cant use it

now fr

[gaunt spade]

alr

[gilded trail]

btw i once put old minecraft code in gemini 2.5 pro and it tried to make creeper

[gaunt spade]

give me ur prompt

[leaden laurel]

ok i actually would like to see result with gem 3

[gaunt spade]

u threw in the whole code?

damn

[gilded trail]

yes

[wheat onyx]

it seems like Chatgpt has been neutered. They blocked legal advice.... mfers

[cloud zinc]

why would u ask chatgpt for legal advice. contact a lawyer

[leaden laurel]

"can you make single file html code for physics simulation of flamethrower, you drag it by left mouse button and if you hold space while dragging it, it launches fire particles with gas-like physics, they get turned into smoke and then disappear. use matter.js"

can you try this one

[queen veldt]

Maybe we don't have money for a lawyer lmao

Not all 'legal advices' are really that deep... It litteraly is written somewhere on the government website or something

[gaunt spade]

gemini app is on android, so i can make it but i gotta give u the code cuz im on my phone rn

imma put the prompt in

[cloud zinc]

what if the chatbot hallucinates?

[leaden laurel]

k thanks

i know, i cnat sue it on android

oops

holy misspelling

[queen veldt]

Well we're aware of those risks... It should just give something he thinks and than note below not completely deny the legal advices

[cloud zinc]

not everyone will go to site to verify.

[leaden laurel]

i have some problem with it

[gaunt spade]

@zealous sparrow @stray aspen did yall make cool stuff

from gemini 3

[zealous sparrow]

ran out of my usage and im not bothered to go on my phone rn

lneduo got lots of prompt

bc college acc

[gaunt spade]

wait ur using it on web?

[cloud zinc]

make new acc for more usage

[gaunt spade]

or app

[cloud zinc]

its only on app

[gaunt spade]

if only we could get a college acc

[zealous sparrow]

no i did one gen on mobile and that was all i used it for

which checkpoint do we think google took

definetly not riftrunner

[cloud zinc]

gemini ai ultra gets 500 prompt a day to test

[gaunt spade]

@leaden laurel

[gilded trail]

https://gemini.google.com/share/1e7ac68fd7fc

ai history by himself

[gaunt spade]

its on point lol

@leaden laurel also i made ur prompt

[zealous sparrow]

identical to riftrunner..

[leaden laurel]

lemme check

[leaden laurel]

nah its even worse

[gilded trail]

eeh i dont think its really gemioni 3

[zealous sparrow]

ehm

[queen veldt]

https://g.co/gemini/share/1116949c6da0
here's movile bersion

[gaunt spade]

hmm, wha

[zealous sparrow]

so identical to riftrunner indeed

[gilded trail]

but it looks better

[zealous sparrow]

people spit at riftrunner for being the worst gemini 3 checkpoint

but maybe it was the best?

[gilded trail]

ill ask it myself

[gaunt spade]

not really bruh, it made good gens for me

[wheat onyx]

legal strategy advice. It's better than many lawyers. I know because i've been dealing with lawyers, and chatgpt has to rewrite their arguments into something that makes sense.... or sometimes the lawyers arguments are literally incorrect

Gemini 3 come out so i can get better legal advice

[cloud zinc]

which is better riftrunner or lithiumflow

[zealous sparrow]

People legit hate riftrunner..

[cloud zinc]

they need to release x28

[zealous sparrow]

we dont even know what checkpoint we got

im going to so be laughing if its riftrunner

people will be so mad

And i will be happy that it got a shot

[still hollow]

What’s the best AI to Edit pdf?

[zealous sparrow]

Although judging off the doom clone..

[gilded trail]

https://gemini.google.com/share/9fa043d54cd0 it looks a little better

[zealous sparrow]

It's near identical to riftrunner..

[gaunt spade]

did u play with the prompt

or is it the same

[gilded trail]

same

[queen veldt]

https://g.co/gemini/share/b110d7ad0881

Damnnnn

Yess

[zealous sparrow]

yeah its out on gemini android & iOS canvas

only for the pro model

[gilded trail]

thats really cool af

[queen veldt]

It made the fire, make the water disappear

And also the sand is sticking somewhere but the water won't stick the same way

[zealous sparrow]

Im like so sure the gemini 3 released is riftrunner

[gaunt spade]

bro how are your examples so good

[zealous sparrow]

the doom clones being identical

[zealous sparrow]

doesnt help me think wrong about it

[gaunt spade]

the doom clone on X looks alot better than mine

[cloud zinc]

u need to write prompt better

[gaunt spade]

for mobile

[zealous sparrow]

iOS too

[gaunt spade]

on gemini app

[zealous sparrow]

Think about it.. They are identical..

[gilded trail]

smth smth

[cloud zinc]

only on gemini app anywhere

[gaunt spade]

no, they have working doors

on there

[cloud zinc]

canvas mode

[gaunt spade]

also the map is way bigger

[cloud zinc]

u have to use gemini 2.5 pro + canva mode. it doesnt explicity call it gemini 3

[gaunt spade]

yeah they wont release that for free

[vocal pelican]

Desktop vs mobile Gemini, I think it’s legit

[cloud zinc]

its deep think prob

[gaunt spade]

bro why does it always give it a hat now

[stray aspen]

Gemini 3 is a freak

[zealous sparrow]

i think we either got riftrunner or lithiumflow [no actually what am i thinking of]

this is the gemini 3.0 canvas?

[gaunt spade]

better than gpt5.1 pro

tbh

[queen veldt]

I mean svg are difficult...

Compare it to other models.m

[gaunt spade]

fr no other models comes close

[zealous sparrow]

riftrunner is still on lmarena right

[gaunt spade]

yea

[zealous sparrow]

Honestly if google gives us riftrunner im not mad

The twitter group only wants the best checkpoints

which are most likely gemini ultra

[zealous sparrow]

riftrunner is what i imagine gemini 3 as not too good and not too bad

[cloud zinc]

riftrunner is very good

[gaunt spade]

riftrunner is goated

[zealous sparrow]

imo i think riftrunner is better than the canvas model because the flamethrower sim had better particles

the doom clone from canvas is better than riftrunner but prob because of some prompting

Have we ever wondered what kingfall is

[stuck orchid]

Why buy Gemini, Chatgpt, and other subscriptions when you have LmArena?

We are waiting for gpt 5.1 on LmArena!

[gilded trail]

hope riftrunner will be flash 3.0 and lithiumflow is pro

[vocal pelican]

lmarena is quite limited unless ur just doing 1-2 shot requests

[zealous sparrow]

still no API btw

[zealous sparrow]

riftrunner is too good to be flash

[cloud zinc]

hopefully riftrunner is the general release checkpoint

[stuck orchid]

Perhaps this is the only drawback. It's strange why Api is still not available

[zealous sparrow]

the model was in the confidential category so i doubt its any time soon

[gaunt spade]

thats an internal model for testing only

[zealous sparrow]

yeah

[vocal pelican]

hopefully the app version isn’t garbage like the app version of 2.5 pro

[zealous sparrow]

why did google even add a confidential model into aistudio

[gaunt spade]

there isn't a big difference between riftrunner and lithiumflow

[zealous sparrow]

gpt 5.1 cant do svg right so i doubt

[gaunt spade]

gpt 5.1 is literally a chat model for women who seek fantasy

support their delusional ideas

[zealous sparrow]

i benchmark models by seeing how good they can make a henry stickmin game

if you dont know what a henry stickmin game is

you pick a choice

see it play out

sometimes theres QTEs

[gilded trail]

give me da prompt

[zealous sparrow]

That are the testing models..

[gaunt spade]

hmm, maybe because Gemini 3 didn't have a release yet

[zealous sparrow]

you will feed to gem 3?

[gilded trail]

ye

[zealous sparrow]

henry stickmin like game in html with animations, endings and episodes, and achievements.
gl

[vocal pelican]

I think gemini 3 will top lmarena by a good margin but will be on par/slightly worse than claude/gpt for coding/stem in real use

[zealous sparrow]

I love codearena because the amount of time it takes to generate gives me time to study

5.1?

[gaunt spade]

code arena isn't that good tbh, some models just slow it down

[zealous sparrow]

still use it, it might take long to gen but

gives me time to study

because i am a very distracted person

[gilded trail]

lolwut

[zealous sparrow]

if your asking why his message disappeared

[gaunt spade]

@stray aspen what did u create so far

[zealous sparrow]

lmarena discord automod

gemini 2.5 flash is harder to fool

[gaunt spade]

gemini 2.5 isn't even good at writing

[zealous sparrow]

i have NEVER got any prompts

that wanted me to report it for being a gpt -2

[gilded trail]

it was good when it was experimental

[zealous sparrow]

bet no one here remembers gemini experimental 1206

[dry siren]

it is, you just gotta constrain the hell out of it or you get purple prose soup

[gilded trail]

https://gemini.google.com/share/298c58716ffe

[zealous sparrow]

I have to say, I expected better...

Barely any animation. It's just the stickmen jumping up and down..

Im goin to try to run this with riftrunner

pretty sure its still on the arena

[gaunt spade]

i love how the other choices immidiately kill you

there's only one ending w

[zealous sparrow]

in henry stickmin games, yeah some choices do kill you

[zealous sparrow]

also yeah, i said multiple endings..

[stuck orchid]

Try asking him to write a Minecraft clone in Canvas

[cloud zinc]

u need multiple ending

[gaunt spade]

gemini 3 canvas

pretty good minecraft clone, one-shot prompt

[gilded trail]

cratercraft

[queen veldt]

I didn't knew each ghost had it's personality THE HEC

[stuck orchid]

Hmm

[gaunt spade]

mine has trees

[zealous sparrow]

how do i know if riftrunner is still on the arena

[jade egret]

guys

I think ios gemini app canvas reoutes to gemini 3?

[cloud zinc]

nice

[zealous sparrow]

oh yeah saw this too

[cloud zinc]

google cooking

[zealous sparrow]

did i really just get two claude models on codearena

no i know one of them must be lying!

[gaunt spade]

they just released this research today damn

google cooking alot

[gilded trail]

https://gemini.google.com/share/ffafcfe34edd mineclone

[cloud zinc]

this is much cooler than gemini 3

[jade egret]

this is gemini 3 pretty sure?

[zealous sparrow]

minimax m2 likes to like that its claude

[fiery gull]

why sonnet 4.5 soo low?

[supple reef]

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X · Nov 12, 2025, 5:53 PM

hi guys, I know gpt, sonnet, but what is glm 4.6?

[zealous sparrow]

general language model

[wise crest]

yes l use 4.6,it is pretty good.

[cloud zinc]

chinese Zhipu AI company

[wise crest]

I think it's an cheaper alternative to Sonnet 4.5.

[gaunt spade]

https://g.co/gemini/share/8f7036c698be

Discord clone

[quartz light]

because people judge off of UI

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https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-margin-awake-marginskyrim-gif-20155428

https://tenor.com/view/evil-king-von-king-von-king-von-piracy-king-von-anti-piracy-gif-11039484168229059057

[hearty prawn]

This can tell glm 4.6's price🤣

[gaunt spade]

bruh why is riftrunner 77%

[quartz light]

x28 💔

[gaunt spade]

i think x28 is gonna be Gemini 3 Ultra

hopefully

[gilded trail]

Gemini 3 Giga

[cloud zinc]

there is no gemini 3 ultra coming

[quartz light]

lithiumflow above ecpt 💀

what kinda benchmark is ts