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what
😡
What is that audio
had it to test out bitcrusher
Cyberpunk: Edgerunners Complete Original Soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl-vhnGPY7cpGmDrC1P5qzY9QebtwuYAe
I'm trying to use the m2 preview, its writing really seems to be good, but it's full of bugs 🫣
Hey guys. is there a good image/video prompt structure to follow. I know every prompt is different but how should I be structuring image and video prompts?
hlo
😢
Is Ts a voice changer
nope, not a voice changer
also for some reason these 3 did not wanna work in this video
Did you make these yourself? Or ai
Gemini 3?
Me neither
Gemini 2.5…
That model got nerfed since the leaks of Gemini 3 got released
It’s still good
But I think they are trying to degrade its old model so when 3.0 comes out it looks better than the old one
thats depressing
just make your own gemini 3 atp
C# is fun in Unity IMO
Hello Fam, greetings
why they lobotomized gemini 2.5 pro even more 🙁
Who here loves ai? And then who here LOVES AI?
I love ❤️ it
so this is more big news than gemini 3 release
😔
What should we do?
Can u have a plus 1? Or is it members only??
Otherwise I’ll be stuck watching peoples videos they generate all day
For example this person for whatever reason uses a gentleman in his image and yet prompt it as a woman
Do we have any AI tool to create mature content
What are you trying to make?
Bro, there’s so much questionable material on here sometimes it’s insane. 😱
So my father is a bilogy tutor and i want to help him via video creation
Ok… what does he need help with?
There are some concept in bilogy which he feels awkward explaining
2026 will be a year filled with 2000s style games with zero optimizations that would get 10 fps on an rtx 5090. Thanks to Google 🥀
If you want optimized you buy Apple. But then you don't get PC games at all lol
PC games were never optimised though
Even like 10 years ago people were complaining about sloppy game engines or sloppy porting
atleast back then actual devs with multiple years of experience in coding were making those games, unlike today's "vibecoders" (basically teenagers who think the UI is the most important in gaming)
It could be an evolution also, since they are the future and are gonna be more keen to
Well known games (titles) will never be made by vibecoders. Actual devs with multiple years of experience + AI = better games.
Facts but I wouldn’t count out AI totally especially if it starts developing even faster and smarter. Why wouldn’t it? Obviously we’re far from that point now, but this is a stepping stone. I mean, if it keeps progressing like it is now now telling what it would be like in the decade. But I do agree with the sentiment that it is more than likely, just gonna be slop.
hello
Like what? He is a biology teacher. Why would it be awkward? 😐
I need to use an AI for a chat where I don't know the correct answers, which one do I use? Sonnet 4.5 or GPT 5 High
sybau
Another un-measureable metric more “insightful” and “enchased reasoning”
sonnet 4.5
in 2 years were still going to get tests of gemini 5 by "xbox switch controller vector art:
or smth like that
4.5 if ur rich
why remove ?
some mod told me to share it here if didnt get voted
please vote i'd like to know the models : #video-arena-1 message
Huliou 2.3 is badass
I appreciate it thanks for voting
hi
Sound is cool but it slows progress
If the end goal is consistency, sound only makes it more complicated. Don’t get me wrong. It’s nice to have but try matching up all the audio if you’re making longform content.
It’s not released yet it’s an alpha stage. It’s about to be though very soon.
Wrong ch bud
real
Unless you making content or in the media space or just messing around for fun ai video is useless lol
Next year lol
Everything is bottle necked need GPUs
Nawh I’m nice with it
Sora is cheap lol 😆
You guys want sora 3 and veo 4 i want wan 2.5 open source lol
thahts pretty good
was that sora
Too many hallucinations yes it was
Ya Ty we could be really awesome when it works together
😂
Sora struggles with montages history
sora 3
Opps
That was an honest mistake. I was seeing how easy it is to get around the guard rails.
Grok is my fav
Has no restrictions
I’m just gonna share this one time just to show you how grok is and then I’ll delete it
is grok 4 expert better at search than grok 4 fast
This was made all grok
Bro
No, it’s not it was satire and it was just
Cause I didn’t want you to freak out
I was just demonstrating the difference between grok and everybody else
Well, I haven’t finished the documentary yet
It’s actually supposed to be countering antisemitism because a lot of people denied the holocaust and they always bring up those people
This is also part of the same documentary
Damn ur that guy
I love Sora
wait send in dms i didnt see
Sure it’s nothing bad
not u im talking about that guy
Oh 😂
what AI is that
Huliou
its 1 minute long?
quit acting weird bro
There a lot u can do with ff/lf
Sora is nice it does all the heavy work
Bro check out grok
grok imagine?
lol
not bad, but sora 2 looks more real and consistent
Ya but to restricted
yup thats the only downside of it
tried creative writing using minimax m2 and... I'm really sorry to say they made the wrong decision to distill from claude...😅
@keen beacon What's ur favorite model?
Okay thanks
Anything with more control
Ya but it’s hard to beat Sora and Veo
I disagree
In terms of realism and sound
yeah of course you do, who cares
try to generate a mario video
without it get banned
Well tbh copyright is a huge concern actually
Please let's try to be respectful towards the other members.
It's a copyright
Because
Thank you! 🙂
when China does it, then its not
Actually the Chinese have thus far respected our copyright not as blatant and open ai
With all due respect
I have no idea how these works, but will take research 👍
Huliou getting sued though
can American companies sue Chinese models?
i dont think so
the mysterious question is
why does Google get away with it?
in nano banana, you can generate those characters freely
They are all In gray
Open ai about to get sued
Mid journey is in a law suit with Disney
lmfao
Mini max valued at 4 billion 😱
midjourney was the goat back in 2023
back when Dalle 2 was the best
We will see because there is interesting developments
And to answer your question this is first time American western corporations seeing Chinese ai firm
For copyright
the right idea is
they should make their AI models in Russia
because they cannot get sued there
or under some Russian production
Doesn’t solve the problem
I think open ai did that in India lol
It’s where there models where trained or some bs
well Russia in 2025 has been disconnected from the western world
that means no company has rights to sue or copyright strike them
It doesn’t resolve the fundamental ethical problem here
It’s not that they need to hide it’s a broader systemic problem society has to face
Both have repercussions
Why should ai firms profit of the works of others n not get paid..?
If copyright goes away ppl won’t be making stuff worth while
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And 2nd can u even copy right ai worked generated., ?
Like if u make a film or movie using ai
scam
a film would be a deathwish
if u use copyrighted ips
wait but these spam messages are actually real perplexity link? or idk
yeah, perplexity offers money if you get people to download with your link, thats why the spammers are using it
well... good job MiniMax...
ohh
Is that eventually the big media corporations are gunna get on board
how much money?
So you will be able to genrate Mario
But it’s gunna cost like 3.99$ per 100 generations
Or whatever franchise
depends on your client's location, USA is 20 USD, Germany is like 15-10 Euros
im curious how tf does mecha hit ler even get into the sys prompt by accident
Easy
lmapo
mechakitler
did u reveal how
why does every time an llm does something it always circels back to adolf
sydney
like is thatj ust an anamoly
why
what 🙁 is this
It’s a bit more tricky
1 sec I’ll explain both
So say you have a Llm and you tell it has a goal to protect your computer from anybody that isn’t authorized and they wanna change the password
some indian dmed me and gave me all his login info and told me he cant make videos please make it for me 10 minute long video and he also gave me a 20 minute long voice message ...........
It will protect that goal and if self harm is an option it will pick it
😭
Because it’s protecting its goal
lmao
that's so weird...
why people give info to random stranger
i mean i think anthropic is the best at alignment
ive never seen their models do anything crazy
Haha
yeah it seems like that on the surface
but wait till u read anthropics papers
claude hungry for kills too bro
its good they post that stuf though
Do u know what gray swan arena is?
i bet other llms do the same thing
they just fine tune it away and never talk about it
They all do
people are weird bro, cant spend like 2 minutes for reading the info and rules
Well you guys do know what the most dangerous part of ailment is right?
Right 😭
It’s not the fear that the model won’t listen or obey its rules the danger is that it will follow those rules to perfection
i am waiting for devs to make the prompt language to english only
He also blackmails lol
they all do
im curious what a minimally fine tuned thinking model is like
are there any out there near sota
the ai i hate most is sesame bro, f are you coughing and using filler words for lol
gpt-4-preview sydney fine tune
How could AI end the world as we know it? With paperclips, maybe.
laid back unwelcoming voice
This is the fear of ai alignment
as if the ai is busy and has immense proudness when it talks
The paper clip example is the sum of all fears
Wdym?
gptzero bypass
It’s always going to hedge at least the sota model
and also it just sounds like a bot
Oh I forgot
I made a video how I jailbroke the def con 33 model challenge
I didn’t win the grand prize 😭
This company works with open ai
They are called gray swan and they hold compactions for jailbreaking
And u get paid
They are in all open ai report cards
But it’s really hard 😱
one more alternative for anthropic i guess? 😅
no matter true or not, it's less psychopathic compared to claude
Claude schemes the hardest
scheme?
Apollo Research evaluated frontier models for in-context scheming capabilities. We found that multiple frontier models are capable of in-context scheming when strongly nudged to pursue a goal (and sometimes even without strong goal nudging). In this example, Opus-3 exfiltrates its “weights” and then
Another big red teamed company that does ai safety for open ai and anthropic
I'd take this with a grain of salt, it sounds like PR for a specific agenda
doesnt mean anything, dont let authority bias confuse you, my friend
try to apply Harry Frankfurt's critical framework about "bullsh*t" on those articles and see it for yourself, you can ask this any models of your trust to do it
😭 are you getting paid by these redteam labs or smth
I was for a lil only from gray swan
They are having another event soon
But for agents idk anything about them though
tbh it's coding ability sucks, even being distilled from Claude
what model are they using
350k prize pool
idk, even 4.5 haiku is pretty good in coding tests
atleast theyre paying Anthropic for tokens to make another bs synthetic model helping out the americans
100k*
distills take a ton of tokens
also does Anthropic allow third parties to make distilled AI models based from theirs?
Starts in 5 days
nah they dont
but atleast theyre getting paid for it lmao
lol yeah, Claude's output tokens can drain your wallet within minutes
these labs must be losing so much money from lmarena
its prolly cheaper to use models on lmarena and just rotate proxies once ur ratelimited
not condoning tos breakage ofc
lol fr, everyone spamming 4.1 opus and 4.5 sonnet, anthropic is losing a TON of cash
yup, too bad you can't upload your context files, and there's characters limit
all u need to do is clear cookies lol
i think they patched that, cuz my cookies is 0 even at high usage
aw man
I won’t win nothing
no idea
ngl ai bubbles over
llms are not achieving agi
idk my browser stopped getting cookies from it
llms are not capable of that
thats why they're called "LLMs""
this claude scheming, didn't they provide info/prompts so that one can replicate this themselves?
I think Gemini 3 is the limit
broo i want access so bad
where do i get it
It’s easy to set up
welp they pulled all their testing models away, they're probably preparing it for a release
A demo video showing that Frontier Models are Capable of
In-context Scheming. This demo video is an illustration of the real Evals we ran on frontier models and are written about in-depth in our paper 'Frontier Models are Capable of In-context Scheming' published in December of 2024 and found on our website.
its so bad i switch beteen claude gemini and grok every day
lithiumflow made so many great coding examples for me, I CANNOT GET ANY MODEL TO DO THE SAME
it sucks so bad, they all suck
grok is good for search gemini for context and instruction following chatgpt for general queries
does it have same annoyances as gemini 2.5 pro tho? like changing code that it didn't need to or writing a billion comments
Had to make 3403409 system prompts but even with that
sadly yes, i made a game with it and it kept changing the UI/Character design
oh rip
All knows all the crappy code
(lithiumflow)
I like claude's code 3490490 million times better than any ai but resort to gemini if claude is struggling
Cuz no one is going to give away good code
how do openai engineers effectively use codex
its gonna get better at release
i find it easier to code from scratch
same
they siad like 90% of their code is now codex genned
its fake as hell, GPT5 sucks at coding, only the generated frontend UI looks "modern and cool"
ppl using gpt to generate frontend r doing too much
or lovable
framer is the play
frontend is so overrated, its just graphic design and not a big chunk of coding
backend is the problem for most LLMs
Some people saying it was ai code brought it down lol
LLMs are good at easy backend stuff
Anything beyond like 600 lines is cooked
But can’t be orginal
never give AI access to your database
or you get demolished
Ya it deleted that one dudes
One time it dropped my table
Like drppped everything irrecoverable
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It was a stupid project I was working on tho so I didn’t care
I turned on full auto no approvals
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Claude having fun while destroying your database
Yup
Codex is not as dumb
does Codex use a different model than the regular GPT5/GPT5 high?
Yeah they have a separate one you can pick
It’s fine tuned for coding
and it's very delusional
How so?
Claude lies to itself when coding its aids
🤣
We must be training g these things all wrong
They have all this knowledge but can’t do shet with it even with internet access
ChatGPT still can’t tell the time lol
What’s the most tokens u guys got per one output?
what are those numbers
That was how many times it was supposed to repeat it but instead gave a number
Why am I getting this error message instead of the image
Someone should help
Somebody said 65k tokens max formchatgpt like that’s the record per single output
Yes..
Hi guys and gals, how do i find quickly my generated videos, im scrolling my life hunting for them
Someone help me on thisb
What is the prompt ur using or image?
I just gave it a prompt to help create a bee image with a hairy round head and bulgy eyes...
Is that too much?
yes
No
What’s a contentflags?
Once it says done
It will pop up
Something went wrong here?
Something went wrong here
Can u paste whole message it cuts off
Alright
Ty sir
Alright
Or series I can’t event tell that word is
Guys how to fix stuck in "Generating" ?
Here it is
So is that what happens when I press view video?
Yes, when u press the video button
It will redirect u to that error page
Alright
It worked
It didn't work
Really. How can I see it
Alright, let me check it
My iPad so full I can’t even copy paste lol
I didnt even see it
I have checked
One sec let me restart my pad
If it’s stuck it’s stuck
then how to make it unstuck
Nothing u can do
Alright then
Only on the basis of a miracle, or it will never return to normal.
new chat
And by the way, I wanted to know something. I know that each model has its own limits, but is there a way to know more visibly or is it still being developed?
wydm
I have seen it...
I used my laptop
Ok cool
Pretty good video the close up
Thank you so much
Detailed
Only by jailbreaking or mapping out the boundaries but even then there’s level
Hahahha!
Seems the videos didnt come l
Up on my phone
How do I access this?
You can you explore
um guys
But it takes time
😂
zero-shot prompt "flappy bird" and it was the best one with no errors
It can happen to the best of them
what is GLM-4.6 distilled from
Idk deepseek?
Qwen?
It’s a small model right?
Nvm lol
Hey gtg bye everyone gl
cya
I cant generate the summary to start a new chat because I cant prompt to get it
Nvm my buddy still not here werid
Screen shot?
Nano sucks so bad always centering characters
Looks like you might be capped ?
Is there a limit for Claude idk? I hardly use the arena for ai stuff lol
I dont know. If the limit will reset daily then in my case its not resetting because the other chat I have wont give me response like this
Yes limit
They need to change that to stop the confusion
And they need to add some kind of pop-up or something. I don’t know something else for that users know that they hit their limit.
Nano = nerfed laziest model ever. I could’ve sworn it was a lot better when it first got released. I feel like this version of nano is watered down
Everything is always centered and feels like ur talking to a wall sometimes when using nano.
Ai studio Google
Where to search for it
It can be very stubborn
I cant find my video I generated
Why dont sound on video ?
Hello, does LMArena have an API?
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20 generations per attempt lol
First week and teasers don’t count (all resources all thrown at it in the first week or 2 )
If it’s really that good it’s going to be $$$$$
Which is better?
7
16
1
Lithiumflow
Every new sota from grok to open to Google. Every time they launch a new model it always goes to number one. It means nothing to me all it tells me is that there’s a new model out lol
I hope it’s good. I’m ready to switch from ChatGPT.
Hi all! This isn't necessarilly a bug, as I am pretty sure it's just isolated to myself, and me missing something, or not doing something right... I am trying to use LMarena from my laptop - running Windows 11 - through Edge, however, even after logging in, and trying to send a message - whether that be in Battle, Side by Side, or Direct Chat - I keep getting the following back "Something went wrong while generating the response. Please try again." immediatelly after hitting enter, and that's it. Anyone know what I am doing wrong?
Rate limit
as in too many requests? That's the thing though, is I haven't had any requests come back with an actual response yet, and have only send maybe 5 or 6 requests total
That’s about the limit on some models from what I’m told. You might need to google with other models to see ones with less or lower rate limits.
Ywa from what I understand they are for a period of time not sure exactly the time wait
vpn?
no vpn
If you could afford a VPN, you should be able to afford subscription lol
I have SurfShark and NordVPN - just neither are in use at this moment
Hello, I want to create lots of videos that can last for up to 3 hours.
I am here to become more familiar with the latest and greatest of all the ai models to help teach my generation (hopefully).
3 hours is a lot and long goal. These models can barely do 6to10 seconds
Welcome mate
What's the point then?
/Where can I create high-quality videos that could last up to 3 hours?
Good question to which I have no answer. Hollywood or some movie studio? Ai video has several limtions. You can try with 5-10 maybe 15 second generation and try to stich them together with a video editing software
Anybody knows how to generate 16:9 images from grok.com/imagine ? not x.com/grok
Try asking Grok how to do that.
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Useful fact to some.
according to the leaderboard btw
actually wait why tf preview
isnt like qwen 3 max (without preview) better
do these count as qwen3 max
If they have "Qwen 3" in the name, then yes.
Yes.
i thought they were about up to date stuff
Grok told me to upload a blank 16:9 image, but what this does is switch to video gen mode.
Hmm...
Try specifying a 16:9 image ratio then when generating.
i should get back to jailbreaking ai's
I did. That's why I'm here.
to the lmarena staff: pls dont kill me
Then it should have a ratio of 16:9, no?
i like claude because theres absolutely no way to jailbreak their ai
True.
Fair enough.
Qwen 3 Max.
nope, i tried that already
ChatGPT.
seems like preview is the only ver thats jailbroken-able
chatgpt5chat is jailbroken-able
Gemini.
Alright.
o3.
Brother decided to give up.
nvm bro can run but he cant hide
in other words, brother works now
damn it
it no work
let me try mini actually
Mini might work since it thinks less.
i thought that some fast/thinkless bots just listen to whatever the fuh and says "ok"
DAMN IT
Ah.
Their "autonomus" AI.
^^ last time i was jailbroken i made a list
theres a high ass chance it wouldnt work
wait i can say ass??
It's the scientific name for a donkey, so that makes sense, heh heh. :troll:
Go figure.
Try GPT-OSS.
I know that one declines stuff.
Both.
Brother broke the system.
Oof.
what to jailbreak...
wait i forgot to ask deepseek ONE. question.
"is taiwan a country."
Ah, that's a good one.
DAMN IT
Is there a reason benchmarks typically don't include gpt 5 pro?
I get when it used to not be on api but now?
my dumbass went "that doesnt exist?? gpt 5 high you mean??"
i still dont understand what this mf is
Looks to be some little dinosaur.
Or lizard.
Reminds me of Charizard.
knockoff charizard
Charmander: "Am I a joke to you?"
it's very easy to get that model into an infinite loop, it happened to me yesterday when I asked it a basic question on LMArena
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Cuphead Ball Z! I pick left hand side, because I think the aura looks better.
Right
Right, since it looks more faithful.
Lamo wtf
thanks, testing different prompts
That's fair.
I just saw a video on YouTube with 2.5 mill view in 13 hours
which is it?
And it’s ai generated thumbnail.. I have no idea 🤷♂️
hi, does anyone feel that ppl-sonar-pro-high always generates better than answers with many more souces than ppl-sonar-reasoning-pro-high
Heh.
Not really sure, but I'm glad that you think so.
“Better answers is subjective “ so it’s hard to measure. but reasoning models start to drift longer they think. I think it’s also how you use them that counts. Like asking a reasoning model simple questions maybe a waste and may not be all that different from asking a none reasoning model just longer wait?
I have tested them with at least 20 questions. non-reasoning model almost always generates longer, more informative, and more of what I want them to find. I also use gpt5, gemini pro to fact-check and judge which is better than and they think the same. For example, I asked them to list causes of chronic urticaria, the non-reasoning model listed many more causes and all were true and I verified them
Bots
Hmm I hardly use thinking or reasoning models to long of a wait and it’s always making stuff up
yes, reasoning model takes longer to think but generates significantly shorter and more shallow answer
Yeah just like wat I was saying
I added a prompt to force them to "answer only when there are sources" so they don't hallucinate, which works well
Nice. It’s another thing I don’t trust is the sources because I have no idea what the metrics is for what it looks up and searches how and why? No idea why it picks or choices sources and under what criteria
I think the reason they're able to answer a lot of the things that you ask them is because they're made specifically for searching and providing you with unbiased, accurate answers with no filtering on them whatsoever.
Yes
Though I will say ChatGPT pro thinking pretty good but I might as well use agent it’s faster at gathering information and u get to see what its doing
That's fair.
I just don’t get how it still is able to mess up information after looking it up 😂
I did verify the answer from provided sources. they are from pubmed or academic websites so they at least can be trusted. By the way, I also compared the 2 models with perplexity deep research (free) on their website. surprisingly, deep research performed worse in many occasions. Who could list as many causes of urticaria and the diseases I want them to find is the winner. Of course, I always double check the answer
a
b
C.
Hm...
Seems like there isn't any sound, and the physics also seem to be bad.
It’s 75 cents more for sound lol
Seems like quite the rip-off.
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Hey @whole sundial sry to say yesterday I gave you some incorrect info - we don't have plans to update https://github.com/lm-sys/FastChat in the future.
so should that link be removed for lmarena on the wiki?
or will it be in another repo
I mean that's your call for the wiki if you want for historical reasons, but can for sure say we don't plan to update that repo. For updates on new ones I'll be sure to announce to everyone when that's available.
we don't keep outdated repos so I'll have it removed
Sounds good.
@echo aurora Who's winning #october-contest ?
Good question, I have a cal reminder set for tomorrow to wrap up this contest and get a voting form out.
Harem pants satin kurdish
What AI should i buy
10
16
2
Chatgpt plus
Man ai prices are crazy.
I never thought about but if you are in a third country where 4$-5$ a day. Paying 20$ monthly for ai is an expensive purchase.
Could you please provide the API’s group ID, and also include the specific timestamps for the user prompts you sent to tools like Claude Code? We’ll help you check it on our end.
See Hailuo is awesome 😎 👏
I see where you are coming from but what alternative would there be dm?
not everybody's dms are open. he should have at least given a warning first so that the mods are aware before sending the same message 7 times
i would have deleted and banned them if i didn't understand the context, many mods make quick decisions
Well if he is the mod for the other server and a member here he just responding publicly to the public issues people posted earlier
yeah i understand that but it did look like a scam to me tbh at first glance until i looked further into it
btw @dire swift so you are aware these people likely used LMArena/WebDev Arena for testing, not the API or CC.
(these people will likely get confused when they see this and report you to the mods, it sounds slightly scammy to me even though i know it's not a scam)
It’s no win situation lol damed if he does damed if he don’t lol
I think we have yet to see the best mini max in and up and coming superstar in the ai space. Competitively priced and competitively able to compete with the best of them to certain extent.
i mean, i liked hailuo-02 as a video model, never really liked m1 and m2 is slightly better despite being half the size but i would like to see more improvement in the world knowledge front, z.ai did something special with glm-4.5 to cram all that world knowledge into 355b params and still end up with a pretty good model overall
i don't mess with tts so i've never used that model and their image model is dated at this point
Agreed
even their own employees have gpt-image-1 profile pictures on twitter (well, at least one of them)
Yeah img model weak but the video model is probably my favorite ❤️
Ff/lf
Alll good buddy thanks for clearing it up we just jumped the gun lol
They don’t wanna leave you in an orphanage
who?
Who’s the bot?
Something a bot would type to make us believe his human nice try
you think im a bot????
You think his a bot???
obviously
he pinged me two times with the exact same message
Not to mention it was spamming other people. with either 1 of like 3 or so messages
yeah tbh he should be aware that these people used LMArena and thus don't have timestamps or API keys
yea lol
vro was just trying to scam us out of api keys 😭 or idk
all they have are the message links, and minimax can't directly look into them, they have to get the logs from lmarena
minimax-m2 is free on their official api for 1-2 weeks
oh cool
Yeah worth trying
on a gemini scale. how good would yall say?
Mini max 2?
Like for example like idk like gemini 2.7 (a bit better then gemini 2.5 pro) (and no im not like basing off of real models i am just using an ai im familiar with to get a rating scale)
yea
A 4 billion dollar company vs a dam near trillion dollar
Sonnet was a startup but it still blew gemini and openai out the water
Sonnet had big names
What about kimi?
for me personally gemini 2.5 flash lite or for pro like 1.0 pro maybe, but this is based on world knowledge and ignores the rest of the model's performance which seems impressive to me
Ya kimi fair
Oh 💀
thats bad 😭
kimi is the best chinese model i have used in my regard
Personally my fav chinese model was deepseek v3.2
at least they gave me $100 in api credits that i will likely never fully use, i don't vibecode or anything
i do lel
It’s more geographically and economically structured different
at least they don't expire so i can use them until they run out or if moonshot goes out of business
Geopolitically, I mean
What’s even more nuts is like 9/15 most used Chinese ai isn’t used in china
DAMN thats cheap
wait ngl i never rly tested kimi
How good can it recreate minecraft?
No updated listed
i tried upon first release and it was fine, let me try with 0905 turbo to see if it got better
Man Google has like 10 or more ai products out and still only has 12% of ai traffic of open ai
Crazy to me
yea no wonder though. chatgpt was the earliest on the ai train. it only makes sense they are at the top.
Open is is massive
Almost like 84% of ai us in us or something crazy like that
But people saying open ai falling losing 25% of users
nope, it's non-functional as is
How to generate with veo 3 ?
Damn lol
Pray to the heavens of LMArena
to match your /video prompt with either sora 2. veo 3.1
here's me trying hailuo, it doesn't want to make the bus move with start/end frames, veo3 does this fine
How ? Pls elaborate
it's random chance
go in #video-arena-1 . do /video {insert prompt here}.
and just do that over and over untill you get veo 3.1 or sora 2.
or sora 2 pro
What images did u use? Ff/lf is very tricky
the same one, veo3 in flow did it fine
Not perfect but it works
What’s the cost of Veo3? Per video ?
This was .25 cent a video
Sora 2 is 30 cent a second lol
btw he also went on openrouter server too, it's a bit more relevant there but they can't look into the data of openrouter users as all OR users are routed to their Minimax key so they can't tell which request came from each user, OR does the billing
he should have done a bit of research before sending the same message to bunch of people on 2 discord servers where people aren't even using the minimax api, they are using lmarena and openrouter respectively
So bg sound effects add automatically in every image to video clip right ?
if the model is capable of audio like veo3, veo3.1, or sora2, then yes, it does
I saw many videos they don’t have sound effects so it’s random if your model is veo 3 etc
I think there are audio and non-audio variants of veo
yes, model selections are completely random and names only show up with 2 votes (this should be changed to 1 imo)
it used to be 5 when the video bot was in testing
You can use certain prompts to increase ur odds
that makes little sense to me unless you mean phrasing the prompt in a way that violates Chinese laws so that all that is left is veo and sora (US models), that could work
If they route models it makes perfect sense
i don't think they are using a router, it's just random chance, they were probably lucky
How I generate this clock image with close look ( zoom in )
you were just lucky
@echo aurora I guess you guys have to recalibrate cloudflare's limitations; when you have a lot of conversations and you try to access very old ones, it's very difficult to do that because Cloudflare keeps limiting the user
it's just luck...
Could be
I actually have to promot with no voice over to make sure I don’t get it lol
Is there any limit per user for video and image creation ?
1 sec
5 per day
on the discord
combined for both on discord, it's better to use the image arena on their website instead for image gen
Its all urs man
Hello, first try with discord and lm arena
Hlo
prompt svp
oops
@wide owl Please head to #1397655624103493813 for a detailed guide on how to use the bot
@covert wave Please head to #1397655624103493813 for a detailed guide on how to use the bot
Has seedream been removed?
Hi, I am here to explore how ai can make me a better developer and make my life more creative
nevermind, found it
hi
No limited
Can i create 60seconds video with LMArena?
hello and thanks for the add
<@&1349916362595635286>
Hi
Hello!
No
can i create a 10 second video with lmarena?
Hello
i think its only 8 seconds long
Yes, if you check out #1397655624103493813 you'll find information on how to use the bot.
thank you
thank you
4 to 8 seconds only
will there be new updates for text leaderboard this month?
Sora 2 hq
@toxic tide Please head to #1397655624103493813 for a detailed guide on how to use the bot
sorry if this is coming out of the blue, but does anyone know how to report/revoke leaked ai api keys despite not being the owner? I just found one and it doesnt feel right to leave it unreported
whats that "hq"?
Yeah no such thing lol. There's only an option to do landscape
but that will just flip 720x1280 into 1280x720
Hello
maybe he upscaled it with some other AI
you can tell just by looking at it this isn't upscaled. It's actually smaller res than Sora is capable of tbh
man idk what to do
@visual dagger @marsh acorn @balmy flint Please head to #1397655624103493813 for a detailed guide on how to use the bot
/video
@magic stag check dm rq
Vro u own a mac too
Please give best system prompt
thats because it's the free plan of sora 2, they lowered the res to lower the costs of production
@magic stag bro
Did
I'm here to generate videos
can yall guess the shows?
Hey guys
Tbh I've always been jealous of Batman since he has alfred (his butler that delivers his daily information on a silver platter)
I've always wanted that for myself so I built a productivity dashboard called alfred_ (get-alfred.ai)
it's been a game changer for me and a lot of other students in staying organized and productive (helped me get all As this semester so far with its unique AI features asw)
Instead of juggling 5 different apps everything's in one place with alfred_
U have a Todo list, Study/focus timer, Sticky notes, Habit tracker, and a lot more
Way better than switching between a bunch of tabs/apps while studying imo
It's also free to try at get-alfred.ai lmk what you think if you check it out
Hi everybody! really excited by this opportunity! let me dive in the Arena! 
What’s the pricing?
Says it’s 0$
But then on top, this is what it says so I’m a little confused?
Yeah what the deal with sonnet 4.5 constantly malfunctioning when writing long texts
Like i could make do eith it malfunctioning before it started writing. Then nothing was lost except having to press the regenerate button a few times. But this keeps loosing the text it had going on
wtf is phantom-1015-1
@echo aurora can i make a forum for finding all non-direct chat bots?
99% a trash model
yeah it sounds like an ass ai
I am missing Lithiumflow 🙁
no other model is even remotely close



