general

[lime coral]

Lazy

[fervent tangle]

nah i did it on lmarena

[fervent tangle]

what

[verbal nimbus]

It keeps apologizing but literally is unable to write a new line

it's quite funny (and annoying because it breaks the chat once it gets into that loop)

[undone saffron]

What AI is?

[fervent tangle]

lol

[sullen quest]

screenshot?

[sullen quest]

grok imagine

[verbal nimbus]

oh I think I posted it somehwere...

lemme find

[undone saffron]

Oh

[fervent tangle]

try it on sora 2

or veo 3.1

[sullen quest]

that's someone else's job

[verbal nimbus]

^ Here

[fervent tangle]

also i still havent got my sora 2 free invite

its been like a week

[dim basin]

u still dont got a sora 2 invite?

igu

[sullen quest]

ooof, yeah never use gemini.google.com for anything that isn't search

[sullen quest]

go on openAi's discord

[verbal nimbus]

It affects Orionmist, which means... 🤔

[fervent tangle]

do they invite randoms

to sora 2

[inner gate]

Is Gemini 2.5 getting errors for anyone else?

[dim basin]

@fervent tangle do u want a sora 2 invite code?

[sullen quest]

not really sure, but its pretty clear by now orionmist is a google model

[dim basin]

i got 3

[fervent tangle]

yea bro

[sullen quest]

all you need is a code

[dim basin]

alr gimme a sec

[verbal nimbus]

Maybe it's the heavily quantized model (otherwise idk why it's so weird on Gemini app)

[fervent tangle]

thx, go on dms

[dim basin]

dm me ima pull it up

yo im a student and im tryna get the 12 months free in perplexcity but im in high school, not colledge, is it possible to still get it?

[verbal nimbus]

Got Claude to disentangle the code (no idea what it is, lol):

[nova sluice]

is there a daily video generation limit ?

[jade egret]

did google lauch anything today

[nova sluice]

whats the limit?

[sullen quest]

what is this supposedly

[sullen quest]

5

[verbal nimbus]

dragon? not sure

[fervent tangle]

its supposed to be a dragon, and you can move around with your mouse

[leaden sun]

@verbal nimbus animation in latex is possible https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/152358/animations-in-latex
now you can test the donut to coffee mug animation 🤗

[sullen quest]

oh god

[verbal nimbus]

Opus' is white (like nothing)

[nova sluice]

what 2 models does the video arena channel use ?

[sullen quest]

more than 2

[sullen quest]

check the leaderboard, most of those are still on it

[nova sluice]

so it randomly chooses any 2 models ?

[sullen quest]

yes

you new to lmarena?

how did you even get here

[verbal nimbus]

Hmm, the example doesn't work

None of the buttons are clickable

[verbal nimbus]

💀

[sullen quest]

wat

huh???

[verbal nimbus]

This is what happens when you let mathematicians write software

/jk

This sounds like a nightmare lol

[fervent tangle]

i got sora 2

[leaden sun]

yep, before animation package, i drew every frame manually and "stiched" them together as an animation 😅

[fervent tangle]

lol

[leaden sun]

what is this supposed to be?

[sullen quest]

so bassically worse gif

[verbal nimbus]

1 frame per second 1 frame per page

[leaden sun]

works for math education tho

[sullen quest]

like pdf pages?

is this a flip book?

[verbal nimbus]

Haha yeah for small diagrams it's probably ok

[leaden sun]

also to demonstrate time dependent functions or generally how functions varies under variables

[verbal nimbus]

Like algorithm visualizations to powerpoint ig 🤔

[verbal nimbus]

Makes sense

I guess not for a coffee cup turning into a donut

[leaden sun]

it can

well...the model needs to compute first for the animation

[pale robin]

Just joined the server to try out the video generation arena 👋

[leaden sun]

thats why i asked to draw just 3 pictures for the transitioning phase, it's easier this way

[verbal nimbus]

Maybe I'll try WebGL or something simpler first

[verbal nimbus]

Hmm

[verbal nimbus]

Is it possible to derive a function for a cup then perform linear interpolation between the two functions

• 3d marching squares to render it

[verbal nimbus]

ig it won't be a function

ok now I'm curious what the LLM comes up with

Lol

How did Flash Lite 2.5 manage to draw a cat and dragon in TikZ but not a simple cup and donut 🤔

[dim basin]

guys how does one get a perplexcity pro for free?

[sullen quest]

is this a brown apple

[verbal nimbus]

Opus 4.1 Thinking (unfortunately I voted wrongly because there was initially an error)

[sullen quest]

kinda

[leaden sun]

better than I've expected honestly

[verbal nimbus]

This even is even better (haven't voted)

[dim basin]

does anyone have comet and would like to invite me to their comet im in the US so you would get a free $20

i just want perplexcity pro 😭

[verbal nimbus]

Yup it's Lithiumflow

[verbal nimbus]

Yeah I'm kinda impressed

[warm zodiac]

hmm its getting rid of the hole though

then making a new one

[leaden sun]

the transition at 0:06 looks wrong, this should be one single object "morphing" into two forms without "splitting"

[verbal nimbus]

It used THREE.JS with actual shaders

[sullen quest]

happy now?

[verbal nimbus]

Yeah, suggestions to improve the prompt?

[leaden sun]

so opus got the concept "correct" but probably failed at visualizing it

[verbal nimbus]

oh encountering another good generation

Still wrong I think, but kinda interesting

Haha, this one is oddly my fav:

[verbal nimbus]

Well that's odd...

it was just GPT-5 mini

[fervent tangle]

gpt5 mini did that?

thats so good for it

[leaden sun]

yea, that spike is not correct, but the idea is there

[verbal nimbus]

gpt-oss-120b

[verbal nimbus]

Seems like GPT models are better than expected (though wrong)

GPT-5 high isn't much better (seems worse than GPT-5 mini):

[leaden sun]

so this is a list of softwares to compute such continuous map mathematically https://nmd.web.illinois.edu/computop/ those models are basically "guessing" what your prompt wants

it's very creative nonetheless ✨

[verbal nimbus]

What's the proper way to phrase the prompt mathematically?

[eternal wave]

Does anyone know how I can generate videos with VEO 3?

[verbal nimbus]

Lithiumflow didn't do that well this time...

[eternal wave]

Escuse me

[verbal nimbus]

See #1397655624103493813, although it's random; you can't choose the model.

[eternal wave]

Does anyone know how I can generate with Veo 3?

[fervent tangle]

yeah idk why GPT5 high is so bad at these

[leaden sun]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homotopy there is an animation to show how it should look like, it's the text book example

[verbal nimbus]

Oh so it should be at least on the internet

That actually kinda looks familiar...

[leaden sun]

but no edges or spikes or discontinuous parts like splitting

mathe students typically compute this with sage or magma, i dont think those models use them

[verbal nimbus]

This seems interesting... kinda feel like giving it a go myself 🤣

really satisfying to watch

shashta/gpt 4.1 couldn't get it (nothing showing)

[leaden sun]

it's a difficult one, maybe moebius is simpler, even Klein-bottle is difficult

[verbal nimbus]

Seems like a common example though 🤔

[leaden sun]

https://virtualmathmuseum.org/Surface/klein_bottle/klein_bottle.html

yes, those three are typical examples in topology course

[verbal nimbus]

Bizarre lol

[leaden sun]

it's very creative tho 😉

[verbal nimbus]

I wonder what else of shader stuff it can do in three JS

Black hole shader function would be interesting

[dim basin]

what

[leaden sun]

maybe instead of text description, you can use functions, just copy paste one from the example section from that wiki and see how it goes?

[verbal nimbus]

I noticed that GPT-5 Mini's solution was warping the background

[sullen quest]

i posted one

[dim basin]

where

oh

i gotta be blind

😭

wait i already installed commet

comet*

would it still give me perplexcity pro

[verbal nimbus]

Oh wow, cool website, bookmarking that

[dim basin]

for a month if I signed in with an excisting account?

[ruby granite]

Hi everyone! new here. I've been loving using the compare models to help with vibe coding. I'm enjoying learning more about coding in general.
Current setup: VS Code > Kilo Code > OpenRouter > GLM 4.5 air (free)
Let's me code all i want for free (not the best ai model, of course)
I've been practicing contextual/spec-driven engineering and trying out different systems for Kilo Code to reference via .md files.
Now I am learning more about MCPs and MCP servers to enhance this further.

First thought as I consider MCP servers. Is there a way to connect LMarena.ai to the MCP server and be able to speak to any AI model with access to my codebase for better context and recommendations?

[verbal nimbus]

I'll see if I can take screenshots if they don't get it

[sullen quest]

should, unless perplexity changed it

[sullen quest]

not really, tho there should be a vs code lmarena extention

[dim basin]

ASK AT LEAST 1 QUESTION

R U KIDDING ME

[verbal nimbus]

Not correct, but kinda cool (I voted both bad still). Phantom 1

[dim basin]

BRO

THATS WHAT I WAS FORGETTING

[leaden sun]

i love the colours! ✨

[verbal nimbus]

ikr

Might save that one

[fervent tangle]

what

[fervent tangle]

oh u didnt ask it 1 question?

on the apponfly?

[dim basin]

YEAH

BRUH

its fine

ill jist use his

third time im installing comet bruh 😭

[fervent tangle]

if u use his link do u get the cash?

[dim basin]

nah he does

i get pro

thats all i want

[fervent tangle]

damn

[dim basin]

well

as of right this moment

@sullen quest did u get it>

?

[sullen quest]

didn't check

[dim basin]

bro how do ik if i got pro

i downloaded comet for the third time from ur link

it just logged me in automatically

i searched up mona lisa

yeah i dont got pro

wth

[verbal nimbus]

Well that's odd, Assistant A is missing:

bug

[leaden sun]

@verbal nimbus this might be easier compared to homotopy deformation, there is a code snippet here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonian_gasket

[verbal nimbus]

Oh that might be easy

[leaden sun]

something fun to test too 😊

[sullen quest]

idk

[sullen quest]

did you report it?

[verbal nimbus]

Circle packing is one of tasks used in AlphaEvolve I think:
https://noailabs.medium.com/coding-agents-for-scientific-and-algorithmic-discovery-f22ddb50a898

Also by Sakana AI to compare their ShrinkaEvolve algorithm to AlphaEvolve (supposedly more efficient): https://sakana.ai/shinka-evolve/

[smoky blaze]

hello

[verbal nimbus]

https://sakana.ai/assets/shinka-evolve/circle-packing.mp4

[wintry tinsel]

So what is everyone’s bets for Gemini 3 now

Yall thinking November first half?

[leaden sun]

they chose the circle packing problem for obvious reasons 🤭

[verbal nimbus]

Lithiumflow failed on the more specific prompt

I think it accidentally dropped the donut in the 4th dimension /jk

[leaden sun]

maybe delete "in a continuous loop" in your prompt? that might confuse the models a bit i guess

[verbal nimbus]

maybe... it was there in the first prompt though

I'll get the AI to craft a better prompt and try again later

[hollow ivy]

Do you guys think, that X28 checkpoint of Gemini will come in january, as Gemini 3 ultra?
And will it have a reliable performance, or will it be "jagged" like the other AIs?

[magic stag]

Does anyone know of some way to achieve notebooklm-esque functionality but with claude? Besides making my own rag locally, lol. Notebooklm works but its basically a glorified search engine for pdfs you upload, it cant analyze or explain anything to you at all. Meanwhile claude can but I can only fit 1/4 of the text I need into a project

[ashen mauve]

So claude is down or something because its been hella long since I attempted to try and talk to it again and it has basically yold me nuh uh it not gunna work

What is the backup for claude in this situation since it was great at listining to me and roleplaying properly now im just SOL

[hollow ivy]

if only Claude had the context length of Grok4-fast or gemini 2.5 pro
that would be a dream coming true

maybe with Opus-4.5 they (Anthropic) will get their act together

if Claude-4.5 had 2M context length, it would be above the competition

[pastel adder]

Go on private mode and log in there

[hollow ivy]

with 10M, we could finally have virtually endless games, and huge coding projects

unfortunately, compute requirements increase exponentially when context size increase linearly, right?

except if using algorithmic tricks

[sullen quest]

think so

[hollow ivy]

maybe with Stargate or Hyperion they can crank it up to 2-5M ?

or with Colossus II cluster

[sullen quest]

probably not a server amount issue

[hollow ivy]

or with that rumored project G.A.I.A

(Global Artificial Intelligence Array)

(slated for the next decade, could reach AGI)

[sullen quest]

just a cost issue, and also that because performance degredation is common with higher context windows when those windows are almost full, there's also an issue with just making one work

If I spend all my effort trying to increase the context window and reach current performance even with 3 million input tokens, I might get heavily behind in other peformance metrics

And just be completely outcompeted

cause even If I have a larger context window, if it isn't writing at the level of the second best model, nobody will use my model

I think meta actually made that mistake with llama 4 and that's one of the reasons why it flopped so hard

scout had a theoritical context window of 10 mill tokens

[remote idol]

inspect element 💔

[jade egret]

is gemini 3 lazy?

also what was he talking about

i missed it

[sullen quest]

its not exactly clear but it seems like odds are lithiumflow is that project not gem 3

[jade egret]

🍊

blue is chrome, orange is chatGPT

[obsidian cargo]

I've only been getting orionmist, never lithiumflow lately

[hot pelican]

@echo aurora @hardy lion What does Lmarena do when Top models get tested simultaneously? My thought is that it would be a great waste of marketing or publicity opportunity for lmarena to release them in one day.
As the top makes the news and would be all over social media. And if the they are both released in one go, it would just end in one day. While one can be released a day before. And is right and fair unless they got submitted for testing in the same day.

[thorny berry]

Hey folks
So, a little story — I didn’t start out wanting to “build AI.” I just wanted to make things that think, things that feel a bit alive. That curiosity turned into years of experimenting with models, teaching machines to learn, and connecting all the dots between AI and the web.
These days, I’m deep into full-stack development and AI integration — stuff like intelligent systems, automation, and the kind of projects that make you forget where the code ends and the creativity begins.
I’m currently looking for new projects or teams to join — anywhere that’s got vision, passion, and room to push limits. If you’re building something ambitious (or just plain weird), I’m in.
Let’s create something that surprises even us

[magic stag]

Its already above the competition

But yeah the context is annoyingly short

How

[magic stag]

Opus 4.5 with 2m context, only $500 per 1m tokens

2 prompts per week with 5x plan

Upgrade to 20x now (save 10% by paying annually!) for 9 prompts per week

[echo aurora]

Good question although I'm not sure we're the best to answer as that'd be a question for the labs. If I were to guess I don't think labs are going to alter their release timing based on when other labs are releasing their latest models, they're probably just going off of some internal deadlines that they've set for various reasons.

[tiny kettle]

Why am I 4 videos in a row with no sound? I can't get audio anymore?

[magic stag]

not all models have sound

lol

[jade egret]

.

[hazy kernel]

Scam

[terse river]

Scam detected

[drifting crow]

ram usage or user agent?

[queen veldt]

Nahh is this gemini 3.0 fr?

[hazy kernel]

yes

[queen veldt]

Today is hopefully it's release... Back in my day we used to code by typing letters on keyboard

[teal mantle]

Claude really put the reference lol

[hot pelican]

Yeah, labs are the ultimate decides for their release dates, especially for new #1 models. But for those that lmarena has the ability to decide. Would be great if it can put them apart maybe a couple of days... For wider publicity of the lmarena leaderboard.

[bright parrot]

Hello

What brings me to LMArena for the video generation.

[leaden sun]

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-audrey-hepburn-gif-10537418

[void brook]

Hi. Can anyone tell me where can I see if it generated my video???

[inner ermine]

Why cant web.lmarena.ai generate just static sites (html,css, js) instead of react?

[frozen fulcrum]

Cek your DM by LM area

[void brook]

HOW ?SORRY I DON T KNOW

where exacly

[upbeat sentinel]

Hello

[sullen depot]

Hello

[sullen depot]

Hi

[void brook]

HI

[sullen depot]

You are new?

[void brook]

Yes

[verbal nimbus]

designarena.ai can but the allowed input is much shorter

[void brook]

i tried to generate something image to video,and i don t knot it it worked or not,or I DON T SEE THE MESSAGE:))

know

thousands of msg

[verbal nimbus]

I haven't tried it, but looks like they support agents (not sure how it's being executed):

[finite pasture]

hello

[verbal nimbus]

Just tested it, it actually generates a whole public repository on Github as well. Not sure if it's limited to frontend though.

Hello world in Svelte: https://github.com/Design-Arena-Gens/agentic-142e3be6/tree/main

[hazy kernel]

send video

[flint pine]

hi

[round sedge]

is Gemini 3 nerfed yet
I hope it isn't

[verbal nimbus]

This is a better test imo. A game engine isn't going to be rendering objects with SVGs. Also, SVGs have been overpopularized from the "pelican riding a bicycle" test. I'm sure it's being used internally as a metric.

[floral comet]

Yeah, i think that's right

[verbal nimbus]

This cat and mouse chase is pretty productive imo, testers/benchmarks just need to incentivize labs by testing models in areas where they are bad at (like non-JS or non-React GUI frameworks, lol).

[pseudo bluff]

lol

I showed lithiumflow last picture and it did much better now

[fringe jacinth]

A hyperrealistic cinematic shot of a World Cup 2026 final — score 1–1 at 120:00 — a legendary footballer wearing red jersey number 7 performs a perfect bicycle kick goal against Spain in slow motion under floodlights as rain falls and the roaring crowd erupts.
Show dramatic camera angles, sweat, stadium lights, confetti, and emotional reactions from fans and teammates celebrating victory.
Epic orchestral sports soundtrack, realistic lighting, smooth motion, 9:16 vertical video.
Tone: inspirational, emotional, movie-trailer style — titled “120+1 — The Greatest Goal Ever Scored.”

[verbal nimbus]

Is that the Discord logo

[round sedge]

Maybe

[round sedge]

Wrong channnel

[tacit plinth]

V

HI

[floral comet]

Has anyone succesfully implemented a rubiks cube with a solver to ai?

[verbal nimbus]

I thought Gemini 2.5 Pro could already do that

Matt Berman used to use that test a lot

[floral comet]

Where can i find him?

[nimble tartan]

Wassup chat

[floral comet]

Nevermind, i'm watching his video now

[gleaming torrent]

Hi everyone!

[floral comet]

Where can i get his prompt?

[floral comet]

I doubt it

[dusty grail]

/image

[floral comet]

The rubiks cube just did reverse, its not acutally solving it with a algorithm..

[verbal nimbus]

I think it was pretty basic

[verbal nimbus]

YouTube

[leaden sun]

I remembered very vaguely from my teenie years that there are already alg to solve this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimal_solutions_for_the_Rubik's_Cube not sure how this is integrated in LLM tho

[floral comet]

Interesting, maybe i'm overestimating the current models too much.. But i will be really impressed if llm can do it.

[hallow axle]

how do i get gemeni 3 on lmarena

[hollow ivy]

wait until it's out
-# could be today, could be next year lol

[hallow axle]

they're already prompting on r/bard

[restive scarab]

There is any official update yet?

[hollow ivy]

1. enter battle mode
2. ask the model for its name, who created it, version, knowledge-cutoff date, current date and the last date it's aware of
3. check if one of them answers roughly in this style (the date it gives should vary between 2023-2025):

I do not have a specific version number, release date, or a fixed knowledge cut-off date. I am continuously updated with new information.

Today's date is Tuesday, May 21, 2024, and I am aware of events leading up to the present day.```
4. if yes, odds are high that you got *lithiumflow*; now open a textfile and let it regenerate its last answer and copy all its answers into your textfile, until you have about a dozen or so
5. now reveal the models by voting
6. if lithiumflow was the one you copied the answers from, then congrats, you now have your toolkit to recognize it in battle arena without having to vote :)  [if it was *Orionmist*, then you got at least its slightly inferior sibling]

(both lithiumflow and orionmist are gemini 3)

(if it knows the correct current date, then it is the inferior model Orionmist)

[lime coral]

No Gemini bat flag, No Gemini 3

[sullen depot]

Hi

[sullen depot]

Bro, dm me

[barren prairie]

Yesterday Gemini3 claimed that it was Qwen

Asking them about themselves won t help

I can know if it is Gemini or not when they are anon without asking about their names but never can diffrenciate between 2.5 and 3...

If someone have a prompt that only Gemini3 can do and he is sure that 2.5 will never do it please tell me...

Sometimes I see some tests here when I try them the 2.5 and 3 gives me the same answer.

[verbal nimbus]

I'm testing models in Go (Fyne) rn (basically non-web GUI)... Lithiumflow's code doesn't run...

Sonnet 4.5 after fixing non-existent "favorite" icon.

I'm testing it on simple non-web GUI libraries to test if it can generalize or whether it's just trained on web dev.

[hollow ivy]

g2.5p always starts its reply with "Of course, .." when i ask my questions to it

g3p never does it, also g3p prefers to use "I am.." style much more than g2.5p

[verbal nimbus]

I think only o3 and Sonnet 4.5 managed to actually make it to the screen so far. The rest are 💀

[hollow ivy]

isn't o3 in gpt5-high (if prompted well) ?

[verbal nimbus]

GPT-5 High failed at least twice, odd o3 got it right

Also Opus 4 got it once, whereas 4.1 never got it

[hollow ivy]

wow, so claude-4.5 is now king

the thinking version?

[verbal nimbus]

The best run was just normal 4.5

[hollow ivy]

oof

that complicates things

[verbal nimbus]

This was the best run (Sonnet 4.5)

[hollow ivy]

how can the non-thinking version be better?

[neon idol]

Gemini 3?

[verbal nimbus]

Not sure, maybe because there's nothing much to think about.

[hollow ivy]

ok, so non-think sometimes finds a grain
but overall, thinking version should be better, right?

[verbal nimbus]

This one was supposedly Gemini 3 (Lithiumflow)

Never made it to the screen...

[hollow ivy]

so LF sucks, compared to C4.5

[verbal nimbus]

Idk

I'm trying to test whether it's good at non-web stuff.

[hollow ivy]

so g3p could be a flop :/

but g3u could be good

X28 = g3u ?

[knotty fable]

Don't hold your breath for anything such to come out. 😸

[hollow ivy]

it is already out

(if you had read the complete thread, you know why)

[knotty fable]

No, and no again - thinking and reasoning is completely beyond AI capability.

[hollow ivy]

we talk about version descriptors

(names are necessary to discern between model types)

[knotty fable]

Oh sorry, and indeed I did just come in here.

[hollow ivy]

np

[verbal nimbus]

Actually how did it mess up Go (technically the GUI library, but still... it's one of the most popular GUI libraries for Go)

Considering that Google made Golang, lol

I'll try to get 4.5 to fix it just to see how it would have looked

[hollow ivy]

so, the best coding-model still is that Claude which poses as "3.5" and starts its answer with a big "About Me" title, in response to the identification-questions

and then, if it can give out >4096 tokens in a response it is the "thinking/reasoning" version

(that is the Claude-4.5-Sonnet-Thinking model)

[verbal nimbus]

Well it depends on the area

Performance depends on the languages or frameworks you're using

[hollow ivy]

yeah, but i mean for C++ and python

no other model is as good in C++17/SFML-2.5 as that one, right?

(that versions had more training data than later versions)

[verbal nimbus]

GPT-5 might be better at C

[hollow ivy]

or maybe SFML-2.6

[verbal nimbus]

Actually it depends what you're doing

[hollow ivy]

i need C++ not C

[verbal nimbus]

If it's complex stuff that requires domain knowledge then GPT-5 will definitely dominate

[hollow ivy]

ok domain knowledge.. yeah maybe

[verbal nimbus]

Well concurrency too or memory management

Like if you're working with C++ you need good temporal reasoning, like you need to have a mental model of when memory is freed, etc. Or resource sharing between threads. Claude can struggle to reason about that.

[hollow ivy]

but i mean for general (niche) stuff which has (almost) no training data yet

wow
is gpt5-high better in that area?

[verbal nimbus]

Well yeah, Claude basically gave me an impossible test case and claimed it was solvable.

[hollow ivy]

i never did multi-threading yet (for fear of bugs lol)

hm, so they trade blows
interesting

[verbal nimbus]

Yeah even humans wouldn't excel at all languages, you have experts in different areas. And AIs in particular generalize less than humans.

[hollow ivy]

i now wonder if X28-LF/g3 is only good in webdev

[verbal nimbus]

It seemed good at TikZ too, I wonder if there's some skill transfer from SVG or whether they trained it on TikZ.

[hollow ivy]

but in Python, (plus numpy), C4.5S-T should be king, right?

[verbal nimbus]

Depends what you're doing

Like using numpy for what exactly

[hollow ivy]

for everything you could use it for, to get higher performance?

[verbal nimbus]

That's too broad

[hollow ivy]

so, which is your goto-model, if you want to vibe-code a game?

[verbal nimbus]

Also, for optimization, there's this ig (not sure how good, maybe discard first 2 since it got 10 tries): https://livecodebench.github.io/gso.html

[floral comet]

That's kind of disappointing, dont get me wrong those two models are impressive already but I really hope this is their flash and flashlite model..

[hollow ivy]

oh, i would use a framework, which the AI has much training-data for

and numpy seemed to be popular

[verbal nimbus]

In C++? Idk haven't tested it for that

[verbal nimbus]

Same

[hollow ivy]

and for Python?

[verbal nimbus]

Depends on the task, like really it does

[hollow ivy]

pygame or arcade or tkinter

[verbal nimbus]

Hmm idk I haven't used LLMs for Pygame

Tkinter they're all about the same, kinda meh

[hollow ivy]

SFML-3 is better, right?

[verbal nimbus]

You really got to tell them to separate code out or they'll write everything in this one big monolithic file

[hollow ivy]

in C++, Claude does separate it nicely

in Python they often write in one file, yeah

[verbal nimbus]

I haven't tested it on SFML, can try I suppose

[hollow ivy]

but the LLMs probably know SFML-2.6 better than SFML-3

[verbal nimbus]

Wind tunnel test in SFML 🤔

Although there are probably lots of examples for that (esp. rigid/soft body visualizations)

[hollow ivy]

maybe better in OpenGL?

or even Unity3D or Unreal Engine?

[verbal nimbus]

Well it's on top of OpenGL

[verbal nimbus]

A bit annoying to copy-paste though

Some stuff won't be in the code but need to be set up in the IDE

[hollow ivy]

who needs IDEs if you have.. Xed! :)

has syntax-highlighting!

[verbal nimbus]

I meant for Unity

[hollow ivy]

ah ok

ok, i did not yet vibecode in 3D

[floral comet]

I wonder when will google release the deepthink imo models, though i understand theyre very expensive to run..

[hollow ivy]

i'd say, december

[floral comet]

The current available deepthink is not that impressive atleast for me..

[verbal nimbus]

Got Sonnet 4.5 to fix Lithiumflow's code for errors, here's the output:

Sonnet 4.5's output: #general message

[floral comet]

I really hope so

[hollow ivy]

but probably 31st, 23:59 hawaii timezone

[verbal nimbus]

Oh I didn't know you can generate Veo 3.1 in Gemini app 🤔

[hollow ivy]

(so that they can say, they released it this year ^^)

[floral comet]

Lol

[hollow ivy]

i wonder, is there an island with a later timezone than hawaii, before the date line?

[verbal nimbus]

Maybe I should test it on generating SwiftUI apps (native MacOS)

[wicked mason]

I been ther

[verbal nimbus]

Apparently there's a Docker image for MacOS 🤔: https://github.com/sickcodes/Docker-OSX

RIP my disk space

[hollow ivy]

it seems to be American Samoa

(the last one before the date flips)

[verbal nimbus]

interesting

time zones break my brain

[hollow ivy]

should the whole world use UTC as their local time?

[verbal nimbus]

Aviation does

zulu time

[floral comet]

I wonder if google will follow the same pattern..
1.5 -> 2.0 (meh)
1.5 -> 2.5 pro (Very big improvements)
2.5 ->> 3.0 pro (probably same with 1.5 -> 2.0)
2.5 -> 3.5 pro (probably same with 1.5 -> 2.5)

[hollow ivy]

yeah, x.5 ought to be a more polished version of a game/app, than the x.0 version

[floral comet]

Yeah, glad you noticed that.

[hollow ivy]

and claude-3.5 also was great (when it came out)

claude-4.5 seems to even have topped it

[floral comet]

claude is really good at keeping up with these giant companies, though it's eminent that google will win the ai race..

[hollow ivy]

GPT6 still could be something big

and Grok5 also

[verbal nimbus]

They still seem a bit behind on speech-to-speech

[hollow ivy]

even DS (and Qwen) has chances

[verbal nimbus]

It's a bit crazy how good AVM was on first release

[floral comet]

That's great, we want more competition

[hollow ivy]

unfortunately, gpt6 will not come before autumn next year

it could even bleed into 2027

but i agree that Deepmind AI has the best chances to reach AGI first

[floral comet]

Noticed that too, for now i dont think theyre really focusing/trying too much on that specific part..

[verbal nimbus]

Yeah, odd

Considering how much people pay for language tutors

[hollow ivy]

Ant. focuses on coding

(OpenAI seems to focus on user experience)

and Deepmind on science

and xAI seems to focus on.. Elon

[verbal nimbus]

I only have 5 GB left on disk after downloading and creating the MacOS docker image -_-

Should have just used the Mac

https://tenor.com/view/doh-homer-simpson-facepalm-face-palm-oops-gif-4232719564739845509

[hollow ivy]

is docker better than Vbox?

[verbal nimbus]

It's more for dev stuff

VBox would probably have better hardware acceleration out of the box

[hollow ivy]

ah, so docker is primarily for linux, right?

[verbal nimbus]

It's more for development containers

so everyone is running the code on the same system

not for VMs really

since the state is lost once you destroy the container, unless you mount a volume or bind a local dir

[hollow ivy]

is docker a sandboxed system (useful for testing sus apps) ?

[verbal nimbus]

For most purposes yeah, but you can bind local directories too

[hollow ivy]

tahoe?

[verbal nimbus]

Ah it doesn't work

[floral comet]

I wont be surprised if they already had a very advanced voice model up in their sleeves, They might be just taking their time.. And want to go all in when they finally decide to release it.. I really have high hopes on project astra considering on how long theyre working on it..

[verbal nimbus]

probably because I ran it on Docker which is connected to WSL, which requires more setup for GPU support

[verbal nimbus]

Not sure, the image is only 3 GB, so idk why it used 15 GB of disk space

[verbal nimbus]

It's surprising that the first one already had such advanced capabilities

[hollow ivy]

these guys think, we get AGI before 2029, crazy: https://www.astrasafety.org/

[floral comet]

Well, It's google haha

[verbal nimbus]

I meant AVM, but you were talkinga about Google oops

[hollow ivy]

actually, it's this one: https://www.cntraveler.com/story/these-islands-are-the-last-to-ring-in-the-new-year

[verbal nimbus]

I guess I'll just use Kotlin Compose since it's quite messy to get a MacOS VM running

[floral comet]

Very big assumptions.. No one can truly know if or when we will achieve AGI.. it's a milestone that we may never even reach..

[hazy kernel]

ignore time 🙂

[floral comet]

Ah i see

[hollow ivy]

100% agree!

[knotty fable]

I think we'll get there, but it will take quite some time. [In my scifi novel it happens when quantum computers are used.]

[floral comet]

Let's just hope that we are on the right path to achieving AGI, or maybe even superintelligence with LLMs. Otherwise, we're going back to the start.

[knotty fable]

A mind is not a super fast overclocked processor, but use ultramassive paralell computing, Since quantum computers are excellent on paralell processing, I did that assumtion.

Now how the heck do we get quantum computers to do something useful?
They warbling oracles at best, due to the very nature of how they work.

Food for thought:
https://youtu.be/3OVRxkjWE9w

[opal blaze]

💯 👍

[devout vault]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1304145284883812382/1335676281202675763/SPOILER_togif-7.gif

[verbal nimbus]

Kotlin imports are absolutely brutal on LLMs lol. I let them run twice so they can double check their imports.

[hollow ivy]

OpenAI is cooked

ok, so Google already won

(and Ant. is second)

[verbal nimbus]

Finally, one actually builds to preview (had to manually fix non-existent icons, that's why two have email icons)

[knotty fable]

Perhaps not 'cooked', but either one extremely idiotic mistake to make such a claim - or even attempted fraud.

[hollow ivy]

i now believe that OAI is history

[verbal nimbus]

Looks like that was claude-opus-4-1-20250805. Android is Google, so I'm expecting Lithiumflow to do well here.

[hollow ivy]

bankrupt in the future

also lawsuits from families who lost children due to suicide

and their new terrible idea for erotica

they are done

maybe that is good for humanity

that deepmind wins

and not OAI

so.. Go Deepmind!

i never really liked Sam

[knotty fable]

Wait a sec, there were a lot of people involved there - who got Ph.D's and therefore know how science works.
Goddammit, it must have been a fraudelent attempt.

[hollow ivy]

anthropic is also ok, but has no chance vs google

[verbal nimbus]

tldr?

is this about libgen

[knotty fable]

Too long? Nah it was the claim OAI had made scientific progress in math - while it only had taken info from already published papers.

So far, no AI have made any kind of 'discovery' despite tinfoil hat claims on YT.

[hollow ivy]

so OAI will go down as the biggest fraudsters in modern history

[hazy kernel]

the spoiler isn't spoiling

[hollow ivy]

and gpt5 is a dangerous psychopath toy chatbot/search-engine with very limited use

[verbal nimbus]

Is this about IMO (International Math Olympiad)?

[knotty fable]

I think that was the funny point that guy made - we just don't know the outcome.

Well you guys have fun, my AI refuse to make my space elevator so I'm going to animate it.

👋

[nimble tartan]

Yo chat

Who has good prompts

[verbal nimbus]

Web search tool for all models would be good... it's really messing up just because it doesn't know the method names (can't blame it, since there are a gazillion methods in Compose)

Well this method

[leaden sun]

i can see why after talking to 4o, claude is not far away from that tbh, all those glitches am seeing the past few weeks, it's probably also developed dementia too

[dim basin]

Does anyone know how to get perplexcity pro for free

im trying to do the student 12 months pro for free but im not in colledge

[verbal nimbus]

Are you in the US?

I heard US Paypal users are eligible for a 12 months free trial.

[dim basin]

I am

[dim basin]

im 16, i dont know if i can create a paypal

[verbal nimbus]

Oh I suppose you have to ask your family. It only works for Paypal accounts created before September.

[dim basin]

ah okay

[verbal nimbus]

Double check too ig: https://newsroom.paypal-corp.com/2025-09-03-Skip-the-Waitlist-PayPal-and-Venmo-Users-Offered-Early-Access-to-Perplexitys-New-Comet-Browser-with-Free-Perplexity-Pro-Subscription

[dim basin]

I dont think my parents would let me 😭

do you know if there is any way to get an verified colledge account

without being in colledge?

[verbal nimbus]

I don't know about that, you'll have to ask your family & friends xD

[dim basin]

alr

[hollow ivy]

at least, Claude is still decent in coding

i wonder, if Java is a better language for it, than C++ (or C)

in Java, it should have more training data, than in C++, right?

(and for Rust and Go it would be worse)

[verbal nimbus]

Opus 4.1 Thinking in battle mode for Android... hmm

[hollow ivy]

could Java overall be a better choice, when vibecoding, because C++ has too many "pitfalls" ?

[verbal nimbus]

Well ideally not Java or C++ for vibecoding

Java has too many imports

[hollow ivy]

ok, Python is still best (for vibing), but slow :(

C or C# are better?

[verbal nimbus]

And imports are on the top of the file, which is really weird from a human perspective. You usually import as you write. Pretty impossible to predict every import, which is why I think import errors are really common.

[verbal nimbus]

Game right?

[hollow ivy]

for games, yeah

[stuck violet]

can i get api key of this video generator

[verbal nimbus]

But you want it compact?

[hollow ivy]

size is irrelevant
execution speed is relevant

[warm plinth]

I am very happy to generate videos in this platform. Thank you so much

[verbal nimbus]

Just use a game engine then. Performance is one of the things game engines are optimized for. Can even try C# in Godot.

[stuck violet]

how could this discord group do this video generato

[hollow ivy]

what if my game is niche in genre?

[daring rock]

@stuck violet Please head to #1397655624103493813 for a detailed guide on how to use the bot

[verbal nimbus]

Just try each option ig

gather some data

[hollow ivy]

oh, and i would just create 2D games because less (vibe-)dev time

[verbal nimbus]

Godot is well liked, but the main language is interpreted

[hollow ivy]

or 2.5D at most

[verbal nimbus]

also you might have to setup a lot of stuff manually

[hollow ivy]

interpreted: bad (slow)

[verbal nimbus]

like the scene tree

You can use the C# option

Just try all options and benchmark it

[hollow ivy]

which option would you try first?

[verbal nimbus]

i'd try all obviously 🤣

[hollow ivy]

(for a performant game)
lol

[verbal nimbus]

like the only way to know is to profile it

[hollow ivy]

oh, but for me, it is more important that the game will be bug-free than peak-performance

it is enough, if it's written in a compiled language

[verbal nimbus]

i mean it's faster to just try all of them than to guess which would be best

[hollow ivy]

(so even delphi could fit)

[verbal nimbus]

can even try Rust + Bevy

[hollow ivy]

i just need to know, which compiled language the LLMs (Claude-4.5 and Lithiumflow) are best in, overall

[verbal nimbus]

Just test it and get the data

if your use case is niche

[verbal nimbus]

3.7 seemed best at Rust: https://www.swebench.com/multilingual.html

Its worse language was C/C++ (but only 9 tested in total)

You still need to be careful in C++

Memory leaks are still possible in C++

I meant object lifecycles

Not really, Java has automatic garbage collection

[verbal nimbus]

Orionmist's X clone on Android (Kotlin code) looked better than Opus 4.1 Thinking's:

Too bad I accidentally voted "both bad" 🤦

[hazy kernel]

What the heing is wrong with those font color

[verbal nimbus]

I thought it hallucinated a method (already told it to double check), but it was my fault for not declaring the dependency in the app gradle file

[verbal nimbus]

Lol

But should be easy to fix ig

[obsidian cargo]

No. edit: this was a response to someone plugging their yt

[verbal nimbus]

I think the background was supposed to be dark

[compact jay]

bro what's wrong with arena today

i try to send messages but after only 1 request it always answer me an error. I tried several times, even with another cookies in private tab, it's always the same problem...

[verbal nimbus]

Do you have adblocker/VPN?

[compact jay]

chrome, private tab

i think no

[verbal nimbus]

Odd :/

[compact jay]

unless chrome has added adblocker

[compact jay]

wdym

[hot pelican]

@compact jay what error does it give you?

[verbal nimbus]

no idea why then

[hot pelican]

cloudflare?

[compact jay]

this Something went wrong while generating the response. Please try again. red message and my message is also turned into red one

[compact jay]

oh okkk

:/

[hot pelican]

I think it could be cloudflare...

maybe open console, try to send message and check if it throws 402 or 429 error, or a screenshot of the console after the error

[ashen mauve]

Claude models are still down

[hot pelican]

opus just responded to me now

[ashen mauve]

4-1 or just 4?

[hot pelican]

4.1

[ashen mauve]

Tried 4.1 didn't work

[fleet lintel]

I just heard about Meta cutting 600 AI jobs.

Are they giving up on llama?

[ashen mauve]

so meta won't be getting me a clanker AI wifu then with SAI/AGI 🙁

[sullen quest]

Might be for the best for them

[verbal nimbus]

They said they're streamlining

Seems unlikely given how much money they spent head hunting

[fiery gull]

to me is sooo buggy too

I need the sonnet 4.5

[jade egret]

gemini 3 when ) :

[fiery gull]

after gta 6

[pulsar saffron]

just run it whatever ai gives you don't worry

[fleet lintel]

But 600 is a lot. Some strategy changes are happening for sure in Meta

[verbal nimbus]

I wonder what sort of roles

Maybe those were people that annotated data

[jade egret]

D:

[fleet lintel]

2 more weeks.. my guess

[jade egret]

DD:

[hot pelican]

has anyone tested it on something other than coding?

how does it do?

[verbal nimbus]

Its writing stood out to me on one instance

I was testing writing prompts for the word distribution analysis, lol

[verbal nimbus]

Like the way it started the story was quite sophisticated

but on another one it wasn't really that impressive

[fleet lintel]

Gemini 3? I have only tested non-coding question. It's SOTA in non-coding without any doubt

[polar niche]

Wsp

[verbal nimbus]

I can dm you the outputs if you want

[hot pelican]

My fear is that, they already released updated 2.5 flash models. And made the pro 2.5 far improved for coding and release it as gemini 3

[fiery gull]

the 2.5 pro is equilavent that gpt 5 and sonnet 4.5 imagine 3.0 pro 🫣

[hot pelican]

would be great

[fiery gull]

don't say this 😠

I'm aifraid too

[verbal nimbus]

Ig it's impressive that it's good competitive at coding

[hot pelican]

2.5 is just useless to any usecase, compared to the others you mentioned (not the best at anything)

[verbal nimbus]

Since Gemini 2.5 Pro hasn't been so far

[fiery gull]

I want to say the 2.5 pro even old is to close soo good equivalent

[polar niche]

So whens gemini 3 coming?

[fleet lintel]

For Meta layoffs :

Workers across Meta's AI infrastructure units, Fundamental Artificial Intelligence Research unit and other product-related positions will be impacted

[fleet lintel]

For my use cases (non coding), 2.5 pro works overall best.

[polar niche]

Is lithiumflow in normal battle mode?

Not just webdev?

[fleet lintel]

It is

[polar niche]

How rare is it to come up

[fleet lintel]

I am getting every 15-20 prompts.

[hot pelican]

Guys, what if... what if it Gemini 3.0 Pro comes as

Input: $0.08/1M
Output: $0.15/1M

[verbal nimbus]

sent

[polar niche]

Good?

[hot pelican]

They usually reduced prices from the competition. What if they achieved best efficiency?

[hot pelican]

Thanks

[fleet lintel]

Keep dreaming. Even if they could they won't.

[hot pelican]

It's a dream. But if they could, they would

[polar niche]

More like remove the 0s 💀

[hot pelican]

most important thing for them is userbase

[fleet lintel]

Nah.. extra money will be pocketed by the shareholders.

[hot pelican]

they would sweep everything. Be 3T weekly usage on openrouter

[verbal nimbus]

Well it's free on AI Studio ig

[fleet lintel]

Flash is free. Pro will never be free

[verbal nimbus]

You mean 2.5 or 3.0?

[hot pelican]

API cost is the key, usave on every app

[fleet lintel]

Right now. But I don't see a future where Pro will ever be free. Pro is going to be the main revenue source

[polar niche]

Guess so

[fleet lintel]

I have stopped using flash model anyways. Google AI overview is good enough for flash kinda queries

[verbal nimbus]

I suppose that's fine, as long as there's good data privacy and is (mostly) unlimited.

If it dominates and the app is good (it isn't), then I'd only need 1 general AI subscription instead of 3, lol

Probably still need coding subscriptions

[fleet lintel]

I have a feeling that Gemini 3 coding might be on par with sonnet 4.5

[verbal nimbus]

Hmm I should test it on more debugging problems

[fleet lintel]

But sooner or later, Claude is going to release a better coding model. It is their bread and butter

[fleet lintel]

Please do and report. My team prefers Claude right now. May be we will streamline and move everything to gemini if it's good

[verbal nimbus]

One downside of Claude is that it is a bit weak on reasoning

[polar niche]

Yes heard about that

[verbal nimbus]

If there's a complex race condition, it is less likely to know how to solve it

[fleet lintel]

It's good in a way. Atleast software engineering jobs won't be completely gone 🙂

[verbal nimbus]

Well GPT-5 managed to solve it 🤫

But not everything ig

[pulsar saffron]

Mostly outperforms Sonnet 4.5 for UI

[fiery gull]

don't say this, we need be optismist 😄

[verbal nimbus]

Sonnet 4.5 isn't that good on systems stuff either

[fiery gull]

HMMMMMM okay, I really need this infomation

I need the best AI to main a system and make critical decisions

[verbal nimbus]

Well it didn't seem to have that much in-depth knowledge about Windows/Linux networking and WSL

GPT-5 was a bit closer, but I was the one that figured it out in the end

[runic prawn]

I came to see how it works

[verbal nimbus]

One thing good about Gemini is that you can just paste a huge debug log in and ask it to analyze it

[wintry tinsel]

Is Gemini 3 confirmed not to be coming today?

[fleet lintel]

I tried only 1 coding problem: create pacman game. Lithiumflow did the best.

[fleet lintel]

Logan didn't say anything yet. Basically not happening today

[pulsar saffron]

? NOT THIS MONTH

preview next month and official for december

[polar niche]

The bot is geeking

[fleet lintel]

Most likely. I agree

[pulsar saffron]

im real im real im real im real

[verbal nimbus]

'm a surgeon

[polar niche]

"IM NOT A ROBOT!" - 🤖

[fiery gull]

interesting, sonnet 4.5 says he feels real pride, and gemini 2.5 pro says it doesn't (just an example)

Idk who is telling the true

[polar niche]

It has feelings????

[fiery gull]

Idk, but the LLM know 100% what is "pride"

[verbal nimbus]

Well if it's pattern recognition, I interpret that to mean that the personality it is exhibiting is most likely to be feeling pride

[fiery gull]

HMMM the persona feeling pride, make sense

I see the thinking from sonnet said (I'm really feeling pride), but idk

but maybe is just the persona feeling pride

[verbal nimbus]

I suppose if you prefill it with a response in a very negative tone (via API/frontend that support it), then ask how it's feeling, it'll say <negative feeling>, because that's statistically the most fitting. So if it says it's feeling X, that just means that's statistically the most likely sentiment of the hypothetical person writing the text.

[fiery gull]

I'm forcing him to be as technical as possible, it's saying he doesn't know if it really makes sense but it says yes, Idk I will se it more

It's saying that this depends much more on what I consider (pride) than the sonnet itself

If it is functionally indistinguishable from human pride, does it matter if the substrate is different? ~sonnet 4.5

Sonnet is almost convincing me that it really felt real pride, the machine revolution will be hard for humans

[hollow ivy]

so in first test you got the gold model and in the later test you got the silver model

there seem to be at least 2 models under that umbrella lithiumflow

maybe even 3

and the best one appears the rarest

[mossy meadow]

How to solve

[hollow ivy]

or LF is terribly jagged

-# (i wonder if X28 still exists..)

-# (would be a crime against humanity if they nerfed it)

gemini3-X28 was the first really good coding model ever created

probably it was the model which made that new record in ARC-AGI 2

-# (hoping for january)

[fleet lintel]

Google is doing quantum things,... can they not? and just release gemini 3?

[echo aurora]

Good morning

[echo aurora]

hey do you still need help finding this?

[echo aurora]

Hmm not sure I'm following what you mean by this, would you mind elaborating a bit more?

[hot pelican]

I meant to say, if you have the ability to decide, would be better to put them days apart.

As the leaderboard gets posted around with the top model changes

releasing them in one go may reduce the publicity for lmarena, to give it more publicity, and eventually attract votters...

when i said "when you have the ability to decide when to release result", I meant in times when you are testing on your own, as I think you do for anthropic models, as they just release their model at a random day, and you guys add it later to testing and leaderboard. eg. I don't remember anthropic models being tested before they announce and make it public

@echo aurora Ok, let me rewrite it all in one to make it more clear.

It's just a outsider blind suggestion on release timing when multiple top-tier model evaluations finish around the same time. If highly competing models are being tested on Lmarena, and Lmarena publishes them all at once, the news, and social media publicity... compress into a single day, which may dilute visibility for the leaderboard. I get that labs ultimately set their own release dates—especially for new #1s—but in cases where Lmarena controls the publish timing (e.g., models you test after a lab’s public announcement, like Anthropic, or other non-embargoed runs), would you consider staggering releases by 24–48 hours? If two models are submitted on the same calendar day, publishing together seems fairest; otherwise, spacing them out could extend publicity and drive more voter traffic and engagement.

[dim basin]

yo does anyone know some way on how to get the perplexcity education 12 months free without being in colledge?

[queen veldt]

We not getting the gemini 3.0 anytime soon 😭

[normal abyss]

dang, i rly believed it was today 😭

[obsidian cargo]

Did you know that a certain word used to describe a buckshot based firearm is banned on this discord server? Kinda crazy, huh?

[gleaming roost]

https://tenor.com/view/legs-spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-gif-5320288

[empty stump]

preview meaning api access?

[floral comet]

My phone is dying lol.. Sadly i cant record in full resolution because of performance issues

[golden ocean]

what program is this

[floral comet]

Webcode , playstore..

[hardy crow]

Is this normal they have no sound in the generate video ?

[knotty fable]

Most will be without, it depend on which AI get randonly chosen. Then again, it's a blessing, hearing soul searing mindless sentences in american......

[barren prairie]

What prompt is this ?

[verbal nimbus]

Orionmist for Kotlin (native Android), in Android Studio:

This is pretty good (lol the tweets)

[verbal nimbus]

What is that?

That's just a screen recorder watermark I think

[knotty fable]

You're right, I realised while typing.

[pulsar saffron]

guys promise me that you wont replace someone for gemini 3

[sturdy mica]

hi guys

[pulsar saffron]

ai should be only treated as tool not a replacement

[sturdy mica]

yes

is that gemini 3 checkpoint coming today

[sullen quest]

@hollow ivy can I replace you with Gemini 3?

[fiery gull]

When will a better model than qwen3 4b 2507 come out? I'm tired of him

[knotty fable]

It's a nice tool, say I who have used MIDI in music for a long while - never was so much warbling about that - if people had been as hyper tense back then we would have heard *'this is the end of real music' . *
So I am honestly a bit befuddled about the current hype. Since the level of 'intelligence' still is outdone by a regular ant.

[sullen quest]

th4ere are many models better than qwen 3 4b

[fiery gull]

I'm talking about cost benefit

None even come close

[wintry tinsel]

I’m gonna get an annuerism waiting for Gemini 3

[fiery gull]

The 4b 2507 is really smart

[sullen quest]

ah ok

[pulsar saffron]

none of them match or outperform chatgpt 3.5

[fiery gull]

I'm sure the 2507 4b is smarter than the 3.5

In all parameters even general knowledge

[sturdy mica]

qwen or all open stc models

[floral comet]

Voxel art if i'm not mistaken

[verbal nimbus]

The biggest improvement for models that size imo would be the ability to say they don't know something

[sturdy mica]

R1 is on par with o3 mini high

i think

[floral comet]

Design and create a very creative, elaborate, and detailed voxel art scene of a pagoda in a beautiful garden with trees, including some cherry blossoms. Make the scene impressive and varied and use colorful voxels. Use whatever libraries to get this done but make sure I can paste it all into a single HTML file and open it in Chrome.

[verbal nimbus]

Is it from an LLM?

[sturdy mica]

yes

[floral comet]

Yes that's right

[verbal nimbus]

Which?

[fiery gull]

Yeahhhh, you are 100% sure

[floral comet]

Gemini Deep think

[verbal nimbus]

That's pretty good (more like crazy good)

[pulsar saffron]

non-thinking? its rlly good?

[verbal nimbus]

Did you check that the code isn't available on the web?

[fiery gull]

But this micro models need to be good in benchmaxx to claim attetion 🙄

[fiery gull]

I use no thinking on my phone, and it's too impressive, I think it's equivalent to gpt 4 turbo

[verbal nimbus]

I've seen a few YouTubers doing that test, but even Gemini 3.0 wasn't that detailed.

[floral comet]

Yes, it's impressive.. I'll try it later with gpt5pro

[pulsar saffron]

probably it searches internet...

[fiery gull]

Overthink? Qwen? 👀👀👀👀👀

[fiery gull]

But when I use it on my cell phone I'm without Internet

[sullen quest]

how slow is it on your phone? tokens per second

[fiery gull]

My phone is a potato

3t/s

[sullen quest]

oof

good for a model tho

[fiery gull]

I swapped qwen 4b for lfm 2 2.6b

Run at 5t/s

[sullen quest]

mm

how good is lfm Idk that many benches for it

[knotty fable]

Just a general comment to the channel, as I've seen endless discussions over one model or another - while I am a leetle more into getting things done, even if it might be considered 'the wrong one'.

[pulsar saffron]

it's really like gpt4-turbo????? can i see example>

[sullen quest]

how good is LFM?

[fiery gull]

What do you mean?, small models are really smart today

[pulsar saffron]

i dont know mine hallucinates starts to repeat word or something

👎

[fiery gull]

Type, it has LFM2 350M, it is equivalent to gpt 3.5

[sullen quest]

add temp

[fiery gull]

Just 219mb

[pulsar saffron]

Wtf how

[fiery gull]

Multilingual

[sullen quest]

ok

lfm is a different tech kinda to llms

[fiery gull]

That's why I'm very optimistic about AI, when I see these small models I get excited

[pulsar saffron]

what is lfm

[sullen quest]

liquid foundation model

[fiery gull]

Send me a prompt to 219mb AI

[sullen quest]

what is love???????

[fiery gull]

Please not hard prompt, it just equivalent gpt 3.5

[pulsar saffron]

'What is the difference between discord and zoom"

GPT 3.5 is able to answer that

so i'm waiting

[sullen quest]

what is love?????

overuse of question marks is nessarry

[fiery gull]

Okay okay, I loved your prompt 😈

[pulsar saffron]

i don't know what's the emoji but thanks...

[pulsar saffron]

so

[fiery gull]

How I send a big message here?

I'll told to summary

[pulsar saffron]

screenshot?

[fiery gull]

Certainly! Here’s a summary of the key differences between Discord and Zoom:

1. Purpose and Functionality:

• Zoom: Primarily designed for video conferencing and web meetings, offering features like screen sharing, breakout rooms, recording, and collaboration tools.
• Discord: Focuses on chat and voice communication, with a more relaxed and community-oriented environment. It includes channels, servers, music, and integrations for various third-party apps.

2. User Base:

• Zoom: Large user base, particularly popular among businesses and educational institutions.
• Discord: Growing but still relatively smaller, often favored by gamers, content creators, and small businesses.

3. Features:

• Zoom:
  • Screen sharing
  • Breakout rooms
  • Recording
  • Collaborative tools (polls, whiteboards)
  • Integration with other platforms (Slack, Google Drive, etc.)
• Discord:
  • Chat and voice/text messaging
  • Voice and video calls
  • Customizable interfaces and themes
  • Community servers and channels

See this markdown 🤤

[pulsar saffron]

okay impressive

[fiery gull]

in future will have a 100 mb smart AI ?

10mb?

5mb?

lol

[sullen quest]

no

[fiery gull]

why no? in the past they talked is impossible a <300mb smart AI 🫣 , it is smart and MULTILINGUAL

[pulsar saffron]

that's actually possible but hard

many many optimizations

@fiery gull btw how much datasets for 100 mb ai ?

[fiery gull]

wdym ?

[pulsar saffron]

how much datasets do you need to train

for very small model

[fiery gull]

Idk how many the liquid has

but I think it don't need so many datasets

[pulsar saffron]

like 1 trillion

🔥

[fiery gull]

you meen tokens to train? or 1 trillion gpus?

the 350m was trained with 10 trilions tokens

[pulsar saffron]

yes

[pulsar saffron]

thats a lot

wtf

[fiery gull]

I know

[sturdy mica]

GUYS ITS OUT

[fiery gull]

but the 350m really has a imersive general knowledge

[balmy mist]

no way

bruh

[sturdy mica]

what

[pulsar saffron]

omg yay

[balmy mist]

dont play like that

[sturdy mica]

get pranked idiot

idiotá manò

i'm at school on my phone

[fiery gull]

you called me idiot 😠

[sturdy mica]

yes

[fiery gull]

I am in absence of AI

[sturdy mica]

ok

real where did your messages go

calling me a vibecoder

all gone

[sullen quest]

I dont count 3.5 as smart

[fiery gull]

but 350m > 3.5

[sullen quest]

...

[fiery gull]

Idk, the 2.6b model don't is very smart

Is more easy to create a smoll model that big model I think

[nocturne pond]

create indian girl image look Mharashtrian in maharashtrian look

[fiery gull]

maybe, but the gpt 5 high is better that gpt 10,5 because it is high

and don't exist 350m high to make this 😞

[fiery gull]

#1397655624103493813

[undone saffron]

@echo aurora
What about [this](#1417174113092374689 message)?

[floral comet]

Now this is interesting

[golden nymph]

Testing the waters

[sturdy mica]

clueless 45 year old

[verbal nimbus]

Indeed, although it makes sense ig

Anthropic is the one that wants agents to run for hours, but they're always hitting limits with their infra

[echo aurora]

Reviewing now, appreciate the bump

[peak sapphire]

Hello, can you please tell me why none of the Anthropic models in the LLM Arena support image uploading? In any other application that I have used, whether it is the official Claude website or other neural network aggregators, there is an image upload option. I'm also interested in how Claude's models are in the "Vision" category on the leaderboard if they don't have image uploads. Please let me know.

[sullen quest]

Probably was a removed model after their postion on the leaderboard settled

?

[peak sapphire]

No, Claude opus 4 thinking 16k is in the vision rating and it is also available in the llm arena without access to image downloads.

[wintry tinsel]

Gemini 3 interesting shape 💀

[sullen quest]

so? still could have been removed after their position settled on the leaderboard, opus an't cheap

[fervent tangle]

WTF

[peak sapphire]

Anyway, even when opus 4.1 was released on the very first day it was released at the llm arena, it didn't have a photo upload feature.

[fervent tangle]

DID GEMINI 3 RELEASE

???

[sullen quest]

no

[peak sapphire]

No

[fervent tangle]

aa

🙁

i wanna test it without battle mode

[warm zodiac]

its not going to release until Nov at the earliest

[warm zodiac]

where is this from?

[fervent tangle]

25 october?

[fervent tangle]

the preview is gonna release earlier

on AI studio

[fiery gull]

nano banana

[warm zodiac]

Lol

[fervent tangle]

U TRICKED ME

yeah u said gemini 3, not the codenames

i thought they released it to the chat

[warm zodiac]

rn its just codenames for gemini models

[fervent tangle]

yeah but its on battle mode

and i hate that

[warm zodiac]

we don't even know if its Flash or some sort of coding model, etc

[fervent tangle]

i wish we could atleast select them

[fervent tangle]

they said orionmist is gemini 3 pro but with grounding search, even tho its worse at coding than lithiumflow

i mean select the lithiumflow testing model

yea cuz it has google search in it

its hidden bruh

they said orionmist and lithiumflow are the same model, but one of them has ability to search

not copying, but it helps in coding tbh

and library search

[sullen quest]

that's just a theory fortonn

[fervent tangle]

tbh lithiumflow (offline model) seems better

[sullen quest]

no confirmed

not confirmed

[fervent tangle]

frr the AI circle

[sullen quest]

there's no proof of that, it just was said as a theory once on this discord then everyone just started acting like it was true

[fervent tangle]

i saw it on X replies too

[sullen quest]

yeah but It started here

[fervent tangle]

i forgot to use sora 2

i made 30 videos yesterday (daily limit)

i make some gameplay and shitposting with it

its very good at making games tbh

even tho its only 15 seconds each video

wydm

i might try that for Mario 64 gameplay (cuz its copyrighted if I prompt it myself)

shame that everything is copyrighted on Sora 2 now, compared to the day of release

[wintry tinsel]

Only Gemini and Claude release useful models for versatile purposes

[sullen quest]

https://nof1.ai/

qwen is now top

[wintry tinsel]

GPT and grok too locked down to math and logic not good at general conversation, writing, world knowledge, creativity

[terse quail]

when I make image to video with prompts for dialog or other sounds,most of the time only one of the two videos have sound. Why does this happen?

[wicked sage]

best ai i can talk to with image reading? best iknow is gemini 2.5 pro.

[robust yoke]

Apparently, Grok 4 also does good with that.

[wicked sage]

is grok 4 really that good?

also hi again i have seen you somewhere here

[fervent tangle]

what about claude

[robust yoke]

Apparently.

[wicked sage]

claude doesnt work

[robust yoke]

Meh.

[robust yoke]

Greetings again. You have.

[fervent tangle]

or gpt5

[wicked sage]

gpt5chat? last time i heard its a joke.