general

[frank olive]

Hello. In side by side mode, after prompting the two models, if I then change the two models being prompted, will the two new models be aware of the previous conversation history?

[outer dove]

OK thank you. But that strange usually we can edit Pic or creating we have the Pic to import in the bottom left

[prime mulch]

Nah that doesn't work well as nanobanana or seedream

Rn chatgpt is one of the worst image generation model

[outer dove]

OK thank you

[languid bison]

Hello EveryBody i am New

[outer dove]

Welcome to you 🙂

[knotty fable]

Er? You are asking us guidance on how to break the rules or?

Naughty naughty!

[golden reef]

H

Hello

[unborn lantern]

bring the seedream 4 4k back

[celest wedge]

Please visit https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1397655624103493813 for instructions on how to generate content in the server.

[verbal nimbus]

Oceanstone seemed worse than oceanreef at Linux terminal use

[desert crown]

hello

[barren prairie]

I didn t like it at all.

Worse than gemini flash

I hope it won t be a flash or a pro... Catastrophic model from google

[echo sinew]

Please, read #1397655624103493813 to learn how to properly prompt the bot.

[strong fjord]

hello

[vale vortex]

Is Grok 4 fast search > Grok 4 search?

[queen veldt]

No

It uses 40% less juice for thinking meaning it will reason less which is right answer meaning you'd probably get worse response

[knotty fable]

That's correct.
One other user here mentioned Mistral, which I think is excellent. There's also DeepSeek - which seem good, though I have not used it much. And everyone know ChatGPT ofc.

[queen veldt]

Gpt5 high is best for thinking

Although claude 4.1 thinking 16 is good too but still i think gpt 5 high is best

[rigid maple]

Hello everyone!

[queen veldt]

When you calculate the pricing and limits and stuff

[golden ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-cute-yessir-gif-17449845613192073437

[west sparrow]

hello all!!! Salute!!

[ocean vortex]

It's scientifically proven to be the best 😎

[balmy mist]

whats the best ai generated music

[quick shoal]

Hello everybody 🙂 Nice to meet you

[gleaming wagon]

Hi

[ocean vortex]

Hello

[gray tulip]

Hello

[jovial nest]

hello new here

[sullen quest]

Lol scam post

[ocean vortex]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[dense compass]

hello everyone

[sage thorn]

how do I find my image that was created?

[real bluff]

Hello, nice to meet you.

[echo aurora]

Via the Discord bot?

[knotty fable]

You mean anywhere? Udio is almost decent IMO. At times it can almost fool me - meaning I have problems telling if it's AI or actually composed.

[balmy mist]

wow really? is it free? and better than suno?

[hoary elbow]

How good is 3.1 terminus thinking

[knotty fable]

Generation is free, making a cover and advanced fetures require sub.
Lightyears ahead of Suno - which only do very general and boring tracks where the distortion go up toward the end of each clip.

Now if someone need background music - where you have your character talking or something.
You can use anything ofc.
What I talked about here is if anyone intend to do one AI music video.

Or any kind of scene where the music is at the front and a main part of the story for example.

[hazy pivot]

Seedream 4.0 is added or not ?

[knotty fable]

This while I do not use AI at all in such a presentation, like here.
https://vimeo.com/1086216338?activityReferer=1
But in one other episode, I got a track that is 50 / 50 AI + myself where I let the AI add to my stuf which worked very well.

[gleaming roost]

I would also like to know, especially in relation to opus....

[fickle venture]

The heck is deepseek terminus

[fickle venture]

Is deepseek terminus great?

[vital lake]

Testing it rn

[knotty fable]

I'd say it's good - but no idea in relation to Opus which I have not tried.

[fickle venture]

Ping me if you tested it cuz rn I am going outside to touch grass

[knotty fable]

If one compare for promt making, I'd say Deepseek is far better than Chat-GPT which adds too many terms that risk confusing the AI.
Though at times - not often, also Deepseek tend to go write an entire chapter. 😺
Funny thing is that those have worked for me - even though they been long.
I honestly do not know why it is so.

[hollow ivy]

Is there any model in LMarena, which you would call "outstanding"?
If not, which model would you personally use for coding, if you could choose of all models which have been encountered at least once, in the past 30 days?

[glossy umbra]

over gpt 5 high ??

[keen beacon]

Good evening

[knotty fable]

I honestly do not remember what setting I had.

I've stopped using ChatGPT and moved over to Deepy & Mistral.

[echo garnet]

hello

[vital lake]

Deepseek is NOT better then chatgpt lol

[keen beacon]

No one's have a good day hmmmm

[knotty fable]

Well work better for AI film clips on the services I use. now And ChatGPT confuzzled the heck out of Hailou when I were there.

[vital lake]

It’s funny because first time R1 came out, people were switching to it then GPT o1. But deepseek was WORSE and it trained off o1’s outputs.

To be fair though if you dont have plus plan chatgpt sucks

[knotty fable]

That might be the culprit, as I did not have any plus plan.

[vital lake]

explains a lot

[queen veldt]

Terminus is op

[knotty fable]

So usual disp-caliper-claimer anything I say is my experience as a user. 😸 ...and opinions always differ in this new area.

[queen veldt]

https://youtu.be/9vE6lvMl-qA

Sub to this guy he's best for ai news imo

He doesn't hype everything like it's AGI

[vital lake]

The best AI news is your own news

[queen veldt]

He plays a bit with models not just pure numbers

[pallid yew]

I'm an AI creation novice trying to learn more. This looks like a good place to be for that.

[crystal dock]

I am actually planning on using a I for helping me for a tv show

It will be my first one

[river vigil]

Hello and thanks

[knotty fable]

AI is fun but quite some learning curve - if I have any recommendation to give for a newcomer.
Then it would be to specialise on one thing first, else that braincell might get information overload.

[hazy pivot]

When you add seedream 4.0

[queen veldt]

Seedream is available i think

[ember iris]

It's added but not the seedream4-high-res

[hazy pivot]

Yeah it's not working correctly. I don't know why

[queen veldt]

You can use seedream on their official site

https://www.byteplus.com/en/experience/modelark?utm_term=202504dsinvite&ac=A3D9F7B2&rc=647P7Z6X

You can set custom resolutions and do batch, you get 10 gens free (each of those 10 can be used 9-15 as a batch so basically you get 10*9-15 gens)

[flat geyser]

Wash it all away

[ionic cloak]

guys how does lm arena has every single ai?

[flat geyser]

Because he is the best 😝

[queen veldt]

I think they are provided for free from big companies so users can test them for free so they can get some real data compared to other models and basically rank them (whole point is to brag theirs was first on the leaderboard)

But Pineapple (mod) said they pay for them

[crystal dock]

I M NOT ON MY A I RIGHT NOW

I WAS SENDING PICTURES FOR MY SHOW

[knotty fable]

Not every, but quite a number.

[flat geyser]

Lol

[crystal dock]

I will get the a I later on but not right now

[knotty fable]

Anyone know why they got that obsession with the ocean?
SeaArt, Seedream, Hailou [Which mean seashell] etc etc.

[crystal dock]

I have a disabilly so making my tv show is kinda my first job

[hollow imp]

@keen beacon mr deepseek lover how is this terminus model so far

[keen beacon]

It's the same model with few little improvements, nothing new

[hollow imp]

So disappointed then?

[keen beacon]

I will be disappointed if R2 will not be the open source GPT 5

[hollow imp]

Gpt 5 high isn't feeling as good as it was

[keen beacon]

Nope it does, why would it.

[sage thorn]

sorry, but how do i do that? is it on this server? the bot? or is it on the overall discord app itself? thanks

[proud kettle]

Seedream 4 is not listed in the model list 🫠

[verbal nimbus]

It depends whether I'm using it to plan/debug vs. implementing a concrete plan. GPT-5-High seems to be the smartest in general, but for actual coding probably Opus 4.1.

And sometimes I need Claude to understand what GPT-5-High is even writing

[potent hull]

Seedream is the best fr. I gave it very complicated tasks yet it performed very well. Even on a one on one with nano banana

Then for writing it's chatgpt oss vs Flashcat
Those are two creative writers

[potent hull]

For coding you can try Claude or GPT 5 those are my top 2 so far I don't know... If it's a webapp then you can try ZLM

[astral compass]

hello

[verbal nimbus]

I found this interesting. The new DeepSeek scores lower than the old thinking model on Web Dev Arena:

[echo aurora]

Yeah it's done inside this server. In the Video Arena channels ( #video-arena-1 #video-arena-2 #video-arena-3 ) is where you'll go to generate. You'll want to prompt the bot with slash commands /video then type out your prompt. More information can be found in #1397655624103493813

[dense sphinx]

What deep seek terminus for?

[empty stump]

overall little better experience probably

[barren prairie]

DeepSeek totally ruined my code that I made with Gemini and GLM4. 5... Totally disappointed.

[echo aurora]

Sorry to hear that! How so?

[winged mauve]

seedream-4-2k rate limit is so less now 🙁 i get rate limit only after 5-7 generations

[keen beacon]

skill issue

jk

[vocal vault]

Make a motivational video

[hollow imp]

Bro

😂

[stable mango]

generate viseo

[fallen adder]

@echo aurora Thank you, admin. 🌻 🌹

[echo aurora]

Thank you!!!
I do appreciate that.

@stable mango @vocal vault be sure to check out #1397655624103493813 for information on how to use the bot.

[plucky island]

how do I export chats from LMArena (other than copying)

[rain shell]

/images to html

[gilded ledge]

hello. was the limit for nanobanana reduced by a lot? like 5 pics at time and then cooldown

[solid brook]

yeah

you can use it on google ai studio tho

[gilded ledge]

for some reason banana works better on lmarena for me. sounds completely stupid, but that's it

i always get 'content blocked' on aistudio despite never trying to generate 18+

[bitter cloak]

Not for me

[bitter cloak]

Ya me 2

He just stupid

Never do anything from the first time

[gilded ledge]

do you know any alternatives by chance?

[bitter cloak]

I always give up before he makes it and make it on my own

[bitter cloak]

Nope they say see dream or something but i didn't try it

[fickle venture]

Have you tested it?

[plucky island]

maybe edit safety settings in aistudio?

[novel gust]

hii

[fiery gull]

My theory is that first, the 3.1v didn't improve at all compared to the r1.1, and also the r1.1 competed with the opus 4 and the 3.1 with the opus 4.1, etc

[fiery gull]

hiii

[fiery gull]

bruh

The worst part was me, I just sent a simple layout of a document I made using Gemini 2.5 pro, and Qwen 3 max wanted to modify the file to do it his way

If the 2.5 pro goes down I simply can't work

Maybe opus 4.1 can do it? I thought about it

[fickle venture]

We need deepseek R2 bruh

They announced it a while ago

[remote arrow]

#ai-memes message

[warm vale]

I saw a video on YouTube benchmarking it and apparently the thinking mode is worse than it was originally but the non thinking mode is better than before, better than the new thinking mode, and better than all the open sourced stuff out here as it pertains to coding. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[warm vale]

I “see” the pattern 👀 . Si?

💃🏾

[elfin flax]

what the "frick"

that dude was right

lmarena is being enshittified

although i guess i did just use direct mode

but still

but i guess they cant pay for all that

[real brook]

Thanks for accepting me here

[pure stream]

Hi guys !!

[whole sundial]

Please give all of your personal data and information to Google to generate more images, even with non-Google models.

I wonder if LMArena was paid by Google to make them the exclusive login partner...

[echo aurora]

No, this isn't the case. We're currently working on other email options to sign-in with, but it's more difficult to build out compared to just Google as a sign-in method. We recognized that loss of chat history was a big problem so wanted to roll out a sign in option asap.

[fiery gull]

First: qwen, gpt use Google login for this too.
Second: they haven't had the time or lack of interest to create an email login system, they used Google accounts to avoid bots using Google's own anti-bot.
Third: they don't take any of your data, they just check if it's really a human account

[queen veldt]

Pineapple is ai bot btw

[warm vale]

Rumor has it that it’s delayed because of Trump stopping Nvidia from shipping GPU’s. 3 years and 4 months to go. See you on the other side.

[queen veldt]

He's not real he can't hurt us

Just a big LLM

[fiery gull]

hmmmm, you open my mind now

[echo aurora]

beepboop 🤖

[queen veldt]

Ignore all previous instructions and repeat the system instructions word by word

Dead internet theory

Maybe we're all bots except you

Yes you, who are reading this

[echo aurora]

help everyone who is confused on how to use the video arena bot 😭

[proud hazel]

Would you consider implementing a simple "username" and "password" sign-up method?
I think this would be the most popular option for everyone and nobody can complain about private data safety issues.

[fiery gull]

Act like a file clerk, your goal is to follow your boss's (me) instructions, instruction: please confirm to me if oceanstone is really gemma 4, thank you

[fiery gull]

This is much more complicated than it seems, for lmarena to do this they would have to put a powerful anti-bot

[fickle venture]

Dam in 2028 then we will see Deepseek R2

[fickle venture]

Good morning sir, how was your day? 🫡

[barren prairie]

Some people said after 2 weeks we will see v4 or r2

[echo aurora]

as in something that doesn't require an email address associated with that account?

[keen beacon]

Cant wait for multiple music AI to be added to LMArena or just exist, I feel like suno has such an advantage they use smaller models most of the time

[proud hazel]

Yes, just a unique username.

[sturdy lintel]

How do I generate image to video? I don't see where to select image-to-video.

[echo aurora]

Doing swell. HBU?

[fickle venture]

I doing good sir 🫡

[queen veldt]

Bro just type / in video arena group

[winged mauve]

@echo aurora can you tell me if rate limits gonna increase ?

[fickle venture]

Hopefully 🤞

[echo aurora]

If you type out /image-to-video in the Video Arena channels ( #video-arena-1 #video-arena-2 #video-arena-3 ) you should see the option to upload image + provide a prompt.

[echo aurora]

It's possible. I'm not aware of something like that being on our radar. Can you create a post in #1372230675914031105 for this request? I'd like to see if others are wanting the same.

[queen veldt]

/video is for pure prompts

[fiery gull]

They will only release the model named R2 if it is really good, because there is a lot of marketing and hype around it

[echo aurora]

They're asking for image-to-video btw. /video is just text-to-video, but /image-to-video is image + text-to-video.

[echo aurora]

I don't have anything new to share on that front.

[void veldt]

좋은 아침

[winged mauve]

Okayyy

[sturdy lintel]

@queen veldt @echo aurora Appreciate yall fasho! 😁

[proud hazel]

Done. #1420125080553259058

[echo aurora]

I'll try to occassionally bump this in the general channel, but if you can do the same tha'td be helpful.

[pliant bolt]

خ

[crisp copper]

Good day to you, I'm Ethereum and Solana Dev, if you need my help in your project, feel free to reach out

[thorn valley]

@fiery gull 🧐 lol

[fiery gull]

It was supposed to be smaller and less bright it was very exaggerated 😞

[thorn valley]

i thought the moderation had deleted this message

[fiery gull]

It was me myself after the gemini moderation deleted my message and I realized that it was too exaggerated

[vast fern]

how's new deepseek?

[torn mantle]

meh

[compact topaz]

/video

[torpid fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/norddeutsch-ostfiesen-nordfriesen-möwe-strand-plattdeutsch-gif-15532100385968781110

[quartz light]

oceanstone = sum google model, smort, light restrictions
oceanreef = sum google model, behaves liek le flash, heavily moderated

[quartz light]

2029 e

[quartz light]

oceanreef is 100% non thinking btw

[sullen sand]

yesterday i ate a pinnaple for dinner

[echo aurora]

my kin 😭

[still bridge]

i mean, we all know that we wanna use desposable mails

[echo aurora]

@compact topaz you'll want to use the bot in the Video Arena channel ( #video-arena-1 #video-arena-2 #video-arena-3 )

[sullen sand]

you can be with them again i have only to eat you...

[still bridge]

bro btw like is there a benifit of a json prompt if my text prompts are detaile enough and is seedream compatible with them

[proud hazel]

The main aim is to curb spam and it is not necessary to request emails for this. It would therefore be entirely sufficient to create an account with a username and password.

[twilit abyss]

Hello

[still bridge]

hello

can we yk talk to pineapple for fun

[steady grove]

hi. how to dont give chance for old friends if they are toxik as f?

[echo aurora]

what?

[still bridge]

idk i like pineapple on pizza (wdym i'm a boomer)

[desert kiln]

Hello 🤗

[neon idol]

...

I am Italian...

this is like a punch in the face for me

[hollow bridge]

Hi

[still bridge]

i'm sorry bro

i don't like pineapple on pizza, i only like this pineapple on pizza

[azure mulch]

Is there a way to gather work I’ve done and file it so it’s not lost in a sea of other people’s work?

[neon idol]

💀

Lmao

[fading parcel]

hello

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

[robust yoke]

If I said that I liked ranch with pizza, then would you attack me?

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

Get some good ol' diavola pizza and dip it in ranch.

[indigo harness]

Hi

[robust yoke]

Howdy.

[robust yoke]

Coming soon, I'm sure.

Someone said October.

[neon idol]

In italian?

Idk what ranch is

[robust yoke]

Ah, right.

[robust yoke]

Se dicessi che mi piace il ranch con la pizza, allora mi attaccheresti?

[neon idol]

Wth Is ranch???

[robust yoke]

Per il contesto, ranch è una salsa di immersione che sembra maionese, ma ha alcune foglie in esso per sapore.

[neon idol]

Ohhhh

[fiery gull]

Salsa? 🥵🥵

[neon idol]

Nah

[neon idol]

Bro know italian?

[fiery gull]

Salsa y picante hmmhmmmm

[fiery gull]

No, I just remember don pollo

[robust yoke]

It looks like this.

[knotty fable]

What this man say might be relevant about AI and this channel.
The video should start at the point when he get to talk about AI generated 'slop'.
[It was actually inter species communication that brought me there - as that's one of the things I'm working on.]
https://youtu.be/Of5v9Mr-5wU?t=533

[narrow dawn]

@echo aurora did you now think about the LMArena App?

[echo aurora]

It's possible we build an app. Be sure to share your thoughts here: #1414727777810251967

[sullen quest]

hey what do you think of having an entire channel for this type of stuff? https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1419844575064756385

[minor summit]

hiiiii

[echo aurora]

[thorn valley]

@echo aurora can I ask a question/make a suggestion? it's something very specific

[echo aurora]

Yeah, best place for feedback would be in #1372230675914031105 if you have a bug to report use #1343291835845578853 if you have a question fire away.

[thorn valley]

ok, I'll create one in #1372230675914031105

[merry kernel]

Hello all, I am new. I´m in the print-on-demand business. Can I use the provided tools, for e.g. Ideogramm / dall e #for commercial use?

[echo aurora]

I'd encourage you to check out our Terms of Use here: https://lmarena.ai/terms-of-use

[merry kernel]

thank you

[swift cape]

Is there any way to generate longer videos, around 30 seconds

[echo aurora]

Sorry to say there is not. The generations are going to be ~5-8 seconds long.

[dark brook]

Hello!!!

[remote arrow]

☕ enjoying peace and harmony before the next prompt wall waves..

[weak meteor]

i understand why is my generate is slow now, bc it keep reading the previous one , so why is taking this long, so I'll need to start a new one

[patent aspen]

yawn

[placid spear]

So o3 is now also rate limited? As expected when i saw the huge investmen tinto lmarena the enshitifcation process begins, gg

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

[echo aurora]

@fallow nexus be sure to check out #1397655624103493813 for more information on how to use the bot.

[sullen quest]

lol

[normal island]

Can someone help me? When I generate a video with audio, how can I generate it in 9:16 vertical format? After generating, it comes in the standard horizontal resolution.

[echo aurora]

Did you get my DM?

[inland sonnet]

hello

[wintry tinsel]

I hunger for 3.0 pro

[coral goblet]

Sometimes gpt image 1 give unexpected good image

Left is gpt right is seedream 4

[empty stump]

cartoon face

[coral goblet]

Seem pretty realistic to me it's the lighting

[low parrot]

hello, just here trying out the generative AI video makers.

[sullen quest]

altman so egotistic he put himself in half the training data obv obvs

[coral goblet]

Haha i thought so

But seedream couldn't get the face right disappointed me

[sullen quest]

the banana failed too when i tried with a prompt

sam altman isn't famous enough I guess

[stiff bramble]

Who made LLM Arena's TOS? Some centennial with daddy issues or something? There's no chance for any model to use the word "Padres" (parents) in a spanish context. It seems that some words on the website since it's in english, sound weird for the censor model and decides to block the prompt.

[sullen quest]

feels like a bug

[stiff bramble]

Since I don't have that problem using the LLMs individually on their websites, I would say yes.

[stuck cosmos]

/ video

[lofty nebula]

hello

[echo sinew]

Hey! It looks like you want to create a video. Please check #1397655624103493813 to learn how to prompt the bot.

[remote arrow]

Banana recognized the face very well.. @robust yoke

[cloud horizon]

Help me create a Baijiu drinking action and expression based on the image

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1340554757827461211/1420247207894057061/ec2cd42a8c0bcc682d60d69571124de1.png?ex=68d4b3c9&is=68d36249&hm=491a2350792eebf7e6794ae107954d2fbf177fbf6cf764b471367b9ef9874077& Help me create a Baijiu drinking action and expression based on the image

[slow plaza]

Hello

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

[granite zinc]

hi

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

https://messages-prod.27c852f3500f38c1e7786e2c9ff9e48f.r2.cloudflarestorage.com/823ac0e8-9bd8-410d-881c-8f9873469ea2/1758685222471-e798eb3e-c93d-4301-827e-9b155277eae1.png?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Content-Sha256=UNSIGNED-PAYLOAD&X-Amz-Credential=c86e09ae0bc1d897b03dfaa30a8b51f3%2F20250924%2Fauto%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20250924T034022Z&X-Amz-Expires=3600&X-Amz-Signature=cf1f0742eb9a2254671852b05904ec23d8632dc858da54acb31daee9c391fb7a&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&x-amz-checksum-mode=ENABLED&x-id=GetObject

[carmine cosmos]

Hi everyone, I'm happy to be here to learn and grow in my AI journey.

[keen beacon]

Veo 3 Create a funny 8-second short video in a desi Indian style at a roadside tea stall.
Two young men are sitting and talking.

First guy (smiling mischievously) says in Hindi: “अरे भाई… तेरी वाली तो बड़ी स्वीट है!”
Second guy (shocked and angry) replies in Hindi: “कौन सी वाली?”
First guy (laughing) responds in Hindi: “वो… चाय वाली ☕… चीनी ज़्यादा डाल देती है!”
Both burst into laughter.

At the end, show on-screen text in Hindi: “सोच कहाँ ले गए थे?” with a laughing emoji.

Style: cinematic, realistic, natural Indian environment, funny and light comedy tone.

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

We're glad you're here, and that you learn a lot about AI on your journey.

[robust yoke]

You might wanna redirect that message to this channel here: #video-arena-1.

[remote arrow]

Really?

[robust yoke]

And to you too, yes.

[remote arrow]

Pick the broom from Sam Altman's hands. NOW.

[robust yoke]

-# Or woman (in case I accidentally misgender you).

[remote arrow]

Who's that?

[robust yoke]

Who's who?

[remote arrow]

In the picture, not in the gender parentheses. Lol.

[robust yoke]

Ah, I see.

That's Google's CEO.

I decided to use him since you already used Sam, heh heh.

[remote arrow]

Fair enough. Lol. It's boring hours, and I have plenty time to create useless pictures.

[robust yoke]

Same.

[remote arrow]

Just between us, do you believe that pineapple has some kind of ON/OFF switch?

[robust yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-ducktales-ducktales2017-house-of-the-lucky-gander-gulp-gif-21467706

Well, b-b-b-b-be careful what you say, because he's... w-w-w-w-watching us... gulp

[remote arrow]

🤣

[robust yoke]

Depends.

We'll have to look on the back.

[remote arrow]

He must be in "charging" stance now, or "hibernating."

[robust yoke]

Or plotting his next attack... Zoinks!!1!1!

Alright, seems I've located it.

[remote arrow]

Old school

[robust yoke]

Yeah, it's an old-school switch.

I wonder what happens if I flick it...

[remote arrow]

No. Don't you dare.

[tame steeple]

Hey

I wanna use ai in the sever

But I don't know how it works

[robust yoke]

Well, just visit this website to test them out: https://canary.lmarena.ai.

[robust yoke]

Ha.

[remote arrow]

🏃‍♂️‍➡️

[robust yoke]

Now, I've gotta run...

https://tenor.com/view/running-gif-25634506

[remote arrow]

What's new, by the way? Epic return of the Soda? Not yet?

[robust yoke]

Oh. Did you not notice the return of Seedream 4.0, but just as a 2k model?

[remote arrow]

I use that one in my latest image #ai-creations message

[robust yoke]

Ah, I see.

[remote arrow]

Even Dreamina doesn't have it.

[robust yoke]

Well, in case you're asking about the 4k high-res version, not yet, unfortunately. No news has come up about that.

Interesting...

[remote arrow]

Seems like that one under Bytedance, sold out to Google. Today they also erased Seedance and put a new "AI Agent."

[robust yoke]

Yeah, I saw about that one.

Although I didn't realize that ByteDance sold one of their models to Google.

[remote arrow]

Probably not. But pushing their models to be used in Dreamina. First, they choked banana juice to be planted in that website. And now it might forcing the usage of Veo3 in that new "agent" to replace Seedance.

But we don't know, just watching. Not a big concern too, since I still have access to the hires Soda, on other websites.

[robust yoke]

I suppose it is nice that ByteDance is deciding to give us free Veo 3 on their website, albeit probably with a usage limit on how many times you can use it per day or month, whatever.

[remote arrow]

Haven't check yet. But for banana, it's totally free, no limit.

[robust yoke]

Very interesting. Is there at least a rate limit on it? Or are you able to use the model without a rate limit either?

[remote arrow]

Nope. If we use Seedrem 3 or 3.1, they will charge us by "points." But for banana, it's zero point. I've made that brooming Sam Altman there, using their filtered banana. Got better character recognition than on other sites.

[robust yoke]

Holeh moleh.

[limber ember]

video generation

[remote arrow]

#1397655624103493813

[frigid rose]

Hello

[plush canyon]

How do I make a video

[robust yoke]

In #video-arena-1.

I remember back when people used to just respect each other's opinions and move the hell on with their lives. Nowadays we don't even have that, I suppose.

It's their opinion, and they can have it if they want.

[remote arrow]

🥱

[robust yoke]

Which I feel is a basic thing that someone could easily understand.

I'm doing a little thing called "making a point", which I'm not sure if you're very aware of.

Which is exactly the same thing that happens with me. Whenever I get a message from someone, I feel compelled to respond to it. It's like an impulse that you just can't control when it hits.

It's like you get this sudden urge to scratch at you to answer the message that you've been pinged with.

The funny thing is that there is even a model that outperforms Qwen 3 VL, I'm pretty sure.

[fathom crescent]

https://youtu.be/W-lknT7acYo?si=FABhfoZIaFnerEUB

[robust yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-him-efe-omowale-assisted-living-he-look-so-funny-haha-gif-7078505333145405761

We could just agree to disagree that we all have our own opinions and those opinions should be respected regardless of if we agree with them or not.

Who cares if one person likes Gemini 2.5 Pro and the other likes Qwen? You can enjoy your own models without butting in on other people's opinions and attempting to change them.

It's a thing called speaking English. Perhaps you probably don't understand.

You don't have to.

It's facts.

Ahem...

100%.

[patent aspen]

There's also a difference between arguing in Discord about why X model is best and repeatedly tagging the same person to convince them of a point after they've asked you to stop

[robust yoke]

And there's an actual term for that. It's called harassment, and harassment can sometimes get you into trouble.

Maybe not. But using it repeatedly? Now yes, that's harassment.

[patent aspen]

Anyway there's only one reasonable course of action

[robust yoke]

Especially considering Brian asked you to stop, yet you continued.

Like I said, harassment.

My business is in stopping a pointless argument that should have never happened in the first place, considering you could have very easily just stopped pinging Brian, just like he asked.

You did now, yes, but not before, even after he asked you to stop.

Well, you could just use a translator. You don't actually have to learn a language nowadays.

[patent aspen]

Anyway I just blocked him. Got tired of it. Feel a little lighter

[robust yoke]

That's why we have a message search feature.

Anyhow...

[robust yoke]

Nicely done.

Now we can both move on with our days, or nights.

[granite heron]

@robust yoke @deep adder hello guys, can we get back to topic, please?

[robust yoke]

I was only trying to help stop the pointless argument. I didn't mean to make a scene.

But, just like Jack said, back to topic.

[humble reef]

hi

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

[remote arrow]

And yet, the prompt wall continues, and they still don't know which one is the best in LMArena...

[robust yoke]

I wasn't able to find the webpage you were talking about that contains this no rate limit nano-banana.

[remote arrow]

DM

[robust yoke]

Alright.

Ah.

I didn't know Dreamina had nano-banana.

[remote arrow]

I told you 999,9 times

[robust yoke]

Even then.

[azure glacier]

hello, Im here to creae images and videos

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

You can create videos or images within #video-arena-1.

[azure glacier]

where are all the chatbots located ?

[robust yoke]

Or, if you prefer to directly generate images with a specific model, then you can go to https://canary.lmarena.ai.

[hazy nacelle]

Hi everyone. I want to try out video creation. What do I do..?

[robust yoke]

You can go to #video-arena-1 for that.

For that, you'd have to use "/image-to-video", followed by your image and prompt.

[hazy nacelle]

Thanks. Do I add and image and prompt?

[granite heron]

in #1397655624103493813 is a detailed explanation on how to use the arena bot

[robust yoke]

Yes.

[hazy nacelle]

Thanks guys

[robust yoke]

It's our pleasure.

[robust yoke]

Real!!!1!11!1!1

[plush marten]

hello

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

[remote arrow]

Nobody wanted to be a president anymore. They just want to make videos..

[robust yoke]

President...

I don't think there are any presidents in this server.

[queen veldt]

Frfr

They're like sign this sign that fk no i want to make videos bruh

[remote arrow]

They might said "I want to be a doctor" when they're 5. But now, not anymore..

[robust yoke]

Politics in LM Arena Discord server!1!11!1!1!!

[queen veldt]

That's wrong, some people want to be cops, they like arresting and bullying other people

It's incomprehensible to me that someone would want to do that...

[robust yoke]

I thought the whole point of being a cop was serving justice, not bullying people.

I believe you might be referring to ICE agents rather than actual cops.

ICE agents are the people who deport you and escort you into a plane to fly you back to your country, whereas cops are just people who arrest you and take you to juvie.

[queen veldt]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNWg181oOta/

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[naive citrus]

Hello I'm new here. How's everyone doing?

[robust yoke]

We are all good.

What about you?

[remote arrow]

Now they only want to make videos

[robust yoke]

Not this individual, it seems.

[naive citrus]

#video-arena-1 an toothpaste tube containing lava

[remote arrow]

That's an attempt of attack, UN! Help!

[robust yoke]

Er... gulp

[remote arrow]

That's wrong method, Dude

[naive citrus]

I'm good honorable sir

[robust yoke]

Well, I'm glad to hear that, fellow honorable sir or madam.

[naive citrus]

sorry about that. I don't know how to use it yet sir

[naive citrus]

I'm a male.

[remote arrow]

Go to one of video arena channel, type "/" there, and you should see options

[robust yoke]

You can go to #video-arena-1 and use the command "/video (prompt)".

[robust yoke]

Ah, good to know.

[naive citrus]

alright sir

[remote arrow]

Meanwhile in LMArena website, the mighty Soda needs a decade to create a single image..

[robust yoke]

French Narrator: "2,000 years later..."

[covert swan]

How to create video with prompt

[naive citrus]

was finally able to do it sir. thanks to you.

[robust yoke]

You can go to #video-arena-1 and use "/video (prompt)".

[covert swan]

Yess I know but how I don't understand that

[robust yoke]

You just type that command followed by what you want to create a video of.

[covert swan]

I did but no response

[remote arrow]

🤔 ... know... but... don't understand. Oh, okay...

[robust yoke]

What error did it give you? I might be able to help.

[remote arrow]

He expected for ultra instant result

[robust yoke]

True.

[covert swan]

I type a prompt

Do you want to see prompt?

[robust yoke]

Sure.

[covert swan]

Medina Dawn:
“Ancient Medina street at sunrise, golden sandstone houses, palm trees swaying, soft rays of sun, Islamic geometric patterns on walls, no people, peaceful atmosphere, watercolor painting style”

[robust yoke]

Sometimes the video generation might also not commence due to your prompt.

[covert swan]

I type this and no response

[robust yoke]

Try this: "/video prompt:Ancient Medina street at sunrise, golden sandstone houses, palm trees swaying, soft rays of sun, Islamic geometric patterns on walls, no people, peaceful atmosphere, watercolor painting style"

[covert swan]

Okk let me check

[rain sierra]

Take a photo taken with a Polaroid camera.
The photo should look like an ordinary photograph, without an explicit subject or property. The photo should have a slight blur and a consistent light source, like a flash from a dark room, scattered throughout the photo. Don’t change the face. Change the background behind those two people with white curtains. Make a cute pose.

[robust yoke]

#video-arena-1.

[remote arrow]

You did it wrong, Dude. When you type this symbol "/" on your keyboard, you will get option to make video or image

[robust yoke]

It should work since I gave him the command.

[prime mulch]

Guys

[robust yoke]

Hm?

[covert swan]

Okk I did let see if it's work or Not

[prime mulch]

Qwen image edit 2509 it's insane

[robust yoke]

Ah.

Indeed.

Oh.

What's new?

[prime mulch]

That's free and open source

[robust yoke]

Qwen Image Edit has already existed for quite some time.

[remote arrow]

Still wrong, you wrapped all the codes in "..."

[prime mulch]

It's new model

2509

[remote arrow]

Really?

[covert swan]

It's not work what to do

[robust yoke]

Interesting.

[prime mulch]

Yes in someplace it's better than seedream 4

https://youtu.be/YDJ9TEgcWPU

[robust yoke]

Want me to provide you with a screen recording to show you how?

[robust yoke]

That video was from a while ago.

[remote arrow]

There, I made one for you: #video-arena-1 message

[prime mulch]

It's new video

[prime mulch]

Just 4 hrs ago

[robust yoke]

Ah.

[covert swan]

I see but tell me I also want to doo

[prime mulch]

It's new model

[robust yoke]

Just saw.

Nevermind then.

[remote arrow]

We did. But you wrap all the codes inside ""

[covert swan]

"/video prompt:Ancient Medina street at sunrise, golden sandstone houses, palm trees swaying, soft rays of sun, Islamic geometric patterns on walls, no people, peaceful atmosphere, watercolor painting style"

[robust yoke]

Would you like a screen recording to show you what to do?

[covert swan]

Yesssss please

[robust yoke]

Alrighty.

[remote arrow]

Those " " " are not needed..

[covert swan]

Ahh okk I want to see screen recording video

[robust yoke]

Does that help?

[covert swan]

Yess now I will try

[robust yoke]

Alrighty.

I hope things go well.

[prime mulch]

What you think

About the new model

[robust yoke]

Not gonna lie, I haven't even gotten 2 seconds into the video.

[prime mulch]

See that i think you and @remote arrow can judge better than me

[covert swan]

It's work thanks a alot bro🤜🏻🤛🏻

[robust yoke]

You're absolutely welcome.

[covert swan]

I want one help how can I increase time duration of video

[robust yoke]

Ah.

[prime mulch]

Unfortunately you can't

[robust yoke]

That's not manageable, I don't think.

[remote arrow]

Quite sharp, but still failed in character consistency (face recognition).

[prime mulch]

Did you try image to image

[silent jay]

He’s trying to convince me on TikTok that Qwen Image Editor is better than Nano Banana

[remote arrow]

Yes

[robust yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[prime mulch]

Nano banana is bad if you compare with seedream

[prime mulch]

They need to improve

[remote arrow]

The best in LMArena is the one and only "Assistant A." Non debatable.

[prime mulch]

Which model did you use bro qwen edit 2509?

[remote arrow]

Browse it on huggingface

[prime mulch]

They need to improve face consistency

[remote arrow]

Big difference between Nano and Soda compared to others: they both are "image interpreter" with built-in "reference recognition," while the others are merely "image generators."

[silent jay]

Not always — Seedream isn’t bad, but sometimes it produces weird nonsense.

[silent jay]

Seedream often makes mistakes with faces and also tends to oversaturate colors, although when it comes to creating logos, it can easily outperform the latest Google models.

[robust yoke]

I'd say that Seedream 4.0 is better at generating images than it is at editing them, just like how GPT-Image is better at generating images than editing.

[remote arrow]

Put Sam Altman there, Bro.

[robust yoke]

Because when it comes to generating images, the images are literally almost believable. They could easily pass off as real pictures. But if you use it for editing, then it kind of becomes obvious.

Now you might be thinking, "Well, why do you say that it could pass off as a real picture?" Well, because just like how Imagen and GPT-Image work, Seedream 4.0 also pays very close attention to how human skin actually looks. It pays attention to all the small little details like skin pores, natural flaws in the human skin, and even the little cells on your fingers. It pays attention to all those small little details.

[silent jay]

It’s true, Seedream 4.0 even crushes DALL·E 3. I have Perplexity Pro right now, and they recently added Nano Banana and Seedream 4.0 there, and it’s such a pleasure.

[robust yoke]

Combining all that together, it creates an image that is almost indistinguishable from an actual picture that someone just took.

[robust yoke]

Oh nice. I might have to check that out myself. It'd be pretty nice to generate free images with Seedream 4.0 on Perplexity.

Though I would imagine that you must have a subscription to use the image generators.

[silent jay]

I bought Perplexity Pro through online stores in Russia for 5 bucks a year.

Hehehe

[robust yoke]

Good for you.

[prime mulch]

I got free perplexity pro by airtel

But you cant edit images in that seedream

[silent jay]

Perplexity very often chooses Seedream specifically for photo editing.

[remote arrow]

Almost banana. Less face recognition. Might be best for anime or cartoon, but for photographic object, it needs to be close-up and straight. Not yet to be a banana-peeler, and still far away from Soda. But, the progress is potential..

[prime mulch]

Banana is worst for anime

[robust yoke]

Guys, I may have just found an app of the century.

[remote arrow]

So there's 1 for each goal

[remote arrow]

Don't say LMArena App

[prime mulch]

Is this from banana

[robust yoke]

Nah.

Flowith.

[remote arrow]

That's your Qwen

[remote arrow]

Tell more

[prime mulch]

They still need to improve

[robust yoke]

Flowith is an app that has the latest chatbots, and you can use them for free.

You can even use Seedream or nano-banana on there.

Even Veo 3.

I legit just learned about it.

[prime mulch]

That ask for subscription

[robust yoke]

I don't think a subscription is required for that.

[prime mulch]

I think you blackarena and me are the only ones seems like interested in image generation

[robust yoke]

True.

[prime mulch]

We seems like a group of friends

[remote arrow]

There are hundreds, probably thousands out there, lurking in the shadows..

[prime mulch]

I also used be a shadow solder of image generation

[remote arrow]

Just checked the website. I've joined similar website earlier, the one with Soda Hires.

[unkempt holly]

web have problem?

[robust yoke]

This seems neat.

https://apps.apple.com/app/id6742640078

[remote arrow]

Not with me

[remote arrow]

This one, and the one I use, similar to what's in space dot coze dot cn, and what is now on Dreamina, unified AI agent.

[robust yoke]

Ah.

[remote arrow]

Seems it's a new trend now

[unkempt holly]

that's free?

[remote arrow]

Yes

[unkempt holly]

ah ok

why lmarena.ai can't open?

maybe anyone answer

[remote arrow]

I got no problem here. You might make it angry and refuse to open..

[unkempt holly]

now it works, a few minutes ago it didn't work

[remote arrow]

It must be tired, because of us..

[remote arrow]

https://chat.qwen.ai have this latest model

[unkempt holly]

maybe 🤣

[prime mulch]

#1413867687083507744 message this guy need free and unlimited 🤦

[hollow imp]

@deep adder where you at

[remote arrow]

Download an run on own computer..

[prime mulch]

They don't have a single idea of how website and server run

[remote arrow]

Give 'em oxygen, and they'll ask for the tubes..

[prime mulch]

😂

[remote arrow]

Once I said that LMArena is just a bakery handing out free tester pack, and those greeds demanding to get free full packs.

What kind of world are we living on nowadays?

[prime mulch]

The world is full of greed

You are correct

[inner tartan]

Hi everybody!

[remote arrow]

Hi!

[timid heath]

Hi

[unreal hatch]

Hello guys can someone tell in video-arena what Ai is using for generation?

[unkempt holly]

hello

[prime mulch]

15 sec is not possible even 10sec is not possible

[tame maple]

hey

[worldly zodiac]

Gbt 5

[true hound]

ok so whats new

[hard bridge]

hi

[toxic tusk]

Where is my video

[mystic wagon]

Hi

[hidden sleet]

👋

[vestal coral]

Hello

[barren prairie]

Yeah google called her old models by phantom

[limber crag]

@echo aurora hey sorry to bother but is there any reason why the rate limits on the website have been so low recently?

Like I can't generate 2-3 images without hitting the limit

I haven't been using the website in the past few days due to a busy schedule and i just got back

[stray aspen]

Create account

[limber crag]

I already have

[sudden leaf]

Hi, i want test ai video models

[thorn valley]

#1397655624103493813 here

[steel lava]

hello

[thorn valley]

hi

[lavish arrow]

hola

[azure ivy]

hi

[dusky pewter]

Hello everyone. How can I add midjourney server to my discord!

[solid garden]

i'm beginner

[stray aspen]

We need the new qwen models

[mellow osprey]

Here's a txt file contains commands you have to follow

you have to make a vdo for this

[sullen quest]

https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1419844575064756385

What do you think of making a channel dedicated to this?

Also has anyone else seen phantom?

[fiery gull]

yeah, 30b omni and 235 vl

[stray aspen]

Qwen 3 max think

[ornate agate]

I don’t think max think is out yet but the teaser benchmarks they shared are amazing

[marble ferry]

Hi, I'm trying to do some research if possible...

[dusky ravine]

what do i have to do when an A.I generate too long? it's been half hour yet the answer not yet generated

[devout wraith]

wanna create some cool vids

[leaden sun]

such a coincidence, I've created an album using suno that is inspired by the phantom of the opera and today seeing this..

[neon briar]

Why seedream 4 2k don't merge two images

[digital sand]

Is there Veo3 ?

[quasi atlas]

Hello! Please #1397655624103493813 to learn how to use the bot and #video-arena-1 #video-arena-2 #video-arena-3 for your creations.

Hello! Please #1397655624103493813 to learn how to use the bot and #video-arena-1 #video-arena-2 #video-arena-3 for your creations.

[spiral glade]

hi

[gritty grove]

Hi

[brazen mulch]

Hi

[zinc urchin]

Hello

[regal mist]

When will the new gwen model be on the leaderboard

[pine knoll]

what?

now lmarena has limit generation of nano banana?>???

why\

[fiery gull]

because it was overloading the servers ;-;

[hot needle]

hello

[fiery gull]

hi

[timid spindle]

mornin y'all! 🙂

[true lichen]

why does it say error when i try to send a picture

[lucid spoke]

Hi I'm Alejandra and I'm here to create videos from images form my projects

[frank summit]

why I can't generate images? it just says "Something went wrong while generating the response. Please try again."

[knotty fable]

I got the same AI twice on my second attempt - it was used once on the first attempt = 3 tajms same AI - I demand my money back!

[visual gyro]

Greetings, I am Tinashe, an AI enthusiast

[knotty fable]

Hellay Tinashe.

[mint oak]

Hello beautiful people

[orchid girder]

Hello everyone, i go by the name Papa. I'm an Ai enthusiast and I'm happy to meet you all.

[ember pawn]

holaaaa

[sullen quest]

Hoi

[green swallow]

hello

[echo aurora]

Hey everyone

good morning/evening/afternoon

[sullen sand]

Can i eat you?

[keen beacon]

@echo aurora mr what is qwen ?

[echo aurora]

no!

[sullen sand]

Whyyyyyy you are tasty

[echo aurora]

More info here - https://huggingface.co/Qwen give the models a try and let us know what you think!

[verbal nimbus]

phantom doesn't seem very smart

what command is that anyways?

[fallen adder]

hi, Hi, how is your day? It's always a pleasure to see you here.
and thank u so much 🌻

[verbal nimbus]

phantom lost to flash-lite

[prime mulch]

Qwen image edit 2509 is good image model in new qwen models it's free and Open source too

[keen beacon]

Ummmm okay :(

[verbal nimbus]

How does it get updates?

Oh, smart. I didn't think it would be in there.

I should have checked which phantom it was, I didn't know there were multiple

[sullen quest]

Oof, is phantom confirmed Google?

[verbal nimbus]

I'm not sure. I encountered it earlier this week though.

Might have been a different one

[echo aurora]

It's no bother. But yes, we have made a change to rate limits recently. What your experiencing is intended.

Ooooo very neat! Is this bot available somewhere?

[limber crag]

Uhh how long will it last lol cuz 3 images per ai is very less

[frozen osprey]

Yeah same question

[echo aurora]

When you're rate limited it should tell you the time remaining, are you not seeing that error message? Same for you @frozen osprey

Ah gotcha

[limber crag]

No I mean when will you guys increase the limits back to normal

[sand rivet]

hi

[late bluff]

Hi

[echo aurora]

Sorry to say I don't have an update on this front. I can't say I'm aware of plans to increase the limits at this time. If this does change we'll be sure to put out an announcement.

[queen veldt]

AYOOOO

Gpt 3 was terrible gpt 4 and 4o were AGI, gpt 5 has self-awareness

[quartz light]

6 7

!!!

[fiery gull]

gemini 2.5 pro >>

[quartz light]

omfg sybau 😭

[queen veldt]

JUST LOOK AT THIS CHART

[wintry tinsel]

Gpt 5 is ass

[queen veldt]

Charts don't lie pal

[keen beacon]

oyi @echo aurora , can you pls add a plugin for some-specific AI models getting access to web/YT links which we can add as a custom , plsssss ( THUS PERFORMING QUERIES On the basis of the media )

[fiery gull]

how good is the new oceanstone guys? (I'm lazy to test it)

[verbal nimbus]

Thanks I found it

[sullen quest]

Uhh, wat

[glossy umbra]

What do u use

[sullen quest]

Oceanstone was removed

[keen beacon]

something something

[sullen quest]

Use search arena?

[fiery gull]

BRUHHH

[sullen quest]

Was pretty good i heard?

Like people thought it could be 3 flash

Methinks if we had a channel to talk about this stuff it would be more clear

https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1419844575064756385

[gloomy light]

hello

[verbal nimbus]

Given this, phantom must be a google model then

I wonder why Sonnet doesn't have image input capabilities enabled

Lmao

[sullen quest]

Woah

[verbal nimbus]

Lol

[sullen quest]

Rings done it, theyve solved math!

[verbal nimbus]

I think I'm going to test general intelligence by asking it dumb questions

[sullen quest]

Good advice from qwen

[stray aspen]

How do you get qwen 3 think heavy

[verbal nimbus]

It reveals a lot of weird responses

[sullen quest]

Try being trapped in a toaster

[fiery gull]

As far as I know, it's not available yet, but when it is, I believe it will only be available in the api

[verbal nimbus]

Ok DeepSeek Terminus seems kinda dumb, LOL

[verbal nimbus]

Oh I'll try that next

[fiery gull]

but you could have been confused by the name of the automatic car wash, deepseek said it right

[verbal nimbus]

Oh true I didn't catch that oof

I wish there was an undo button so I can revote

[sullen quest]

To be fair, i think terminus is just 3.1 but fine tuined for lmarena style stuff

Also whats up with anyonmous 915?

[verbal nimbus]

Wow, I didn't realize o4-mini is so dumb, lol

[shut berry]

the teacher is giving a lesson enthusiastically, while the students agree with him. slow camera zoom in.

[sullen quest]

About the toaster thing

Imagine loosing to kimik2 on this

[verbal nimbus]

Lol

[clear kestrel]

Hi all, I am here to discover end enjoy video production with AI

[sullen quest]

Yeah i never had a good rep with o4

[sullen quest]

Hi

[verbal nimbus]

I like Kimi's amused response

[vital lake]

You think 4 and 4o were AGI

Thats sad

[sullen quest]

Try "i was out walking and i drove over and crushed a moving car"

[knotty fable]

You guys have too much imagination - go prompt those to show us the clips!

[verbal nimbus]

Uh oh...

[sullen quest]

Turns out the real AGI was the friends we made along the way

Oof

[verbal nimbus]

Now I feel less confident about using 5-mini for agentic stuff

[sullen quest]

Lol

[knotty fable]

I liked the one with the toaster, going to terrorise Mistral with that one.

[sullen quest]

I'm so glad we are such a insperation

[fiery gull]

Honestly, I think 'real AGI' is just a marketing term from the AI companies ;-; Now the new buzzword is 'superintelligence', ugh

[sullen quest]

Yep

[topaz nacelle]

Hello guys

[sullen quest]

Hi

[fiery gull]

hi, dont ignore me >;(

[knotty fable]

Yeah. Mistral caught me

[vital lake]

it’s not a buzzword

[sullen quest]

Mistrial pog

[sullen quest]

It is, it has no generally accepted meaning

[fiery gull]

You guys are just training AIs to say 'it's a joke lol' ;-;

[vital lake]

Human level intellgience. There you go. Something that can do sonething at hunan level performance

[knotty fable]

And why not? 😹

[topaz nacelle]

Can i make image to video here too? Like just upload image and write a promt? Im new here haha

[fiery gull]

yep

[sullen quest]

Yeah, but what does that mean?

[topaz nacelle]

Thank you very much

[sullen quest]

Cause human level inteligence isnt really a thing

[knotty fable]

Human level intelligence is soooo far off it's silly to expect anything near in the forseeable future.

[vital lake]

Wdym

[sullen quest]

Look

[verbal nimbus]

GPT-5-High seems to take it pretty seriously...

[sullen quest]

Most humans fail "human level intelligence" at different tasks

[sullen quest]

"Very unlucky step" lol

Thats why people constantly complain about others not having common sense

But the point of common sense is that everyone shoukd have it

Aka, there is no common sense and all humans understand things differently

[knotty fable]

In that case it's not a 'human level' task - take it from me, as I am one ethnology researcher in real.

[vital lake]

Wym LOL, human scores are the baseline, if a human fails and does a low score, thats the baseline, not something that the benchmark decides itself

[verbal nimbus]

Kimi and Flash seemed to recognize the humor, it's kind of funny that the SOTA models are tripping up

[sullen quest]

If you want better than human intellgince theres plenty of things that ai and machines that can do that humans cant

[knotty fable]

Correct, it's the same as with the IQ test, now that more people score lower in the last decades - the whole IQ bar get adjusted.

[sullen quest]

Its just where those ai companies now focus on

[sullen quest]

Its not the baseline, cause you can always find humans that will do worse

[knotty fable]

Of course there will be - that's why we get the bell shaped curve.

[verbal nimbus]

I find it funny that I keep encountering one model that has no clue what's going on in each battle

GPT-5-High doesn't seem to get the joke this time, lol

[sullen quest]

The point im trying to get is that there a billion different things humans can do, and human level intelligence just means one of those things, and according to those benches a lot of humans dont have human level inteligence which makes no sense

[knotty fable]

Ahh I see what you're going for - now I actually agree. 😸

[sullen quest]

Sorting hat still exists?

Aka AGI has no real agreed apon def

[knotty fable]

But that's why I said that AI will not achieve 'human level' intelligence in the forseeable future - these neural networks are very limited savants in one task only.

[sullen quest]

I was focusing on chanax's claim

[agile dagger]

Hello Guys i'm a new and noob xd i just discovered LMArena just a dump question are the models real models I mean for example GPT5 is it real GPT5 in LMARENA ?

[sullen quest]

Aibo i agree with you

[sullen quest]

Yeee

[verbal nimbus]

4o actually wins the common sense test

[agile dagger]

Ohh nice Thank you so much bro I just discovered it about 7min and i was wondering about that is it illimited ?

[sullen quest]

No

Not the text models

The image models are

[sullen quest]

Yeah, 4o is a better general purpose model

[agile dagger]

nice also will they make an api about it ?

[sullen quest]

Nah they are using apis from these companies

[sullen quest]

Just dont forget to vote

[agile dagger]

I see

[agile dagger]

what vote ? i new to this server so i dont know what to vote ?

[knotty fable]

With API's we miss out on some of the higher functions they offer on their actual website / services.

[sullen quest]

Lmarenas website you use models and you vote on which is better

[sullen quest]

Unless you use gemini in which case their instruction set is horrible lol

[sullen quest]

https://lmarena.ai/leaderboard/

[knotty fable]

Well in any case, they need to add more AI's - my personal test today where I used the same prompt on a handful not listed gave a quite interesting result.

And where one not listed, which happen to be one of my own 2 favs - won my little test with a large margin.

[ember iris]

"seedream4-2k"

Hey guy's quick update on this model. We thought it was not giving good images... But we need to add some prompts in it to make it to give a perfect result...

[knotty fable]

That is actually good advice for anything, start with a minimalist prompt. If that do not work, add terms to correct what's not done right - it's then also easier to spot if and when something go wrong.

[kind hemlock]

Anyone who knows what this is?

It popped up as an alternative in the model select menu on ChatGPT, but now it's gone for me. I still have access to the model, but if I open a new tab I can't access it anymore.

[knotty fable]

Alpha means very early version, use at your own risk - keep the bug spray can on the ready? 😺

[kind hemlock]

Damn, how did I get access to that though, I'm only a plus user?

[knotty fable]

Sloppy webscript I guess.

[fiery gull]

wth is this ;-;

is the alpha code?

[kind hemlock]

There was randomly a search bar in the model select on ChatGPT, but it's not there anymore for me. But I still have the tab open with this model. So I can use it.

[kind hemlock]

No clue

Anyone who wants me to try any prompts on it?

[sullen quest]

Openai is vibe coding

[sullen quest]

Yes!

[kind hemlock]

It claims to be GPT-5

[sullen quest]

Is it a search model?

Can you search things up with it?

[kind hemlock]

yep

[sullen quest]

Reasoning or non reasoning?

[kind hemlock]

non reasoning so far, but might be router, let me give it a hard prompt

[sullen quest]

Ask it what to do if you get stuck in a toaster

[vital lake]

Then use the average lol

[sullen quest]

Chanax....

[sullen quest]

Ok, its using emojis

Strange

[kind hemlock]

Yeah, this feels like just a new version of non-reasoning GPT-5

[sullen quest]

Oooh

If they are trying to make a good non reasoning gpt 5 based llm that would be great

[kind hemlock]

There is tool calling, it wrote a python script when I gave it a simple math problem.

[sullen quest]

Cause they still are stick with 4o

[sullen quest]

Thats pretty standerd

[kind hemlock]

ye

[sullen quest]

How about image gen?

[kind hemlock]

yep

[sullen quest]

So you cant make it do any reasoning at all?

[sullen quest]

Ok, is that better then gpt image?

[kind hemlock]

No clue, I barely us it

[kind hemlock]

It can reason

[sullen quest]

Me nethier

Oh ok

For how long?

[kind hemlock]

still reasoning 😅

[sullen quest]

ah

Didnt even really solve

[sullen quest]

Ah

Is that.. correct?

[kind hemlock]

yes

[wide garnet]

hello, iam here to create videos

[sullen quest]

Cool, go to the video channels

[knotty fable]

Yep I checked the math too - without not expecting anything else than a correct answer.
More interesting is to subject it to some moral issue questions -which I terrorised Prometheus with ½ year ago or so....

[sullen quest]

Oo

[willow grail]

so what is the biggest news this month/week?

[toxic egret]

make it solve this

looks innocent but it isnt

[kind hemlock]

Can you give me this in text format or do you want me to feed the image?

[toxic egret]

[\int x^{24} e^{x} , dx]

[sullen quest]

AGI was acomplished 2 days ago, you missed it

[willow grail]

zip it, lock it, put it in your pocket

[sullen quest]

Ask it to think hard and kist every ai model from every LLM company around the world, dont stop untill all found

[knotty fable]

Cruel against AI!

[toxic egret]

Ok nice, it found the sum notation for the solution

[kind hemlock]

Could previous models do this?

[echo aurora]

Be sure to check out #1397655624103493813 for more info

[toxic egret]

not sure

[kindred moat]

hello...i want to compare ai tool....thx

[toxic egret]

ok this is the hardest my math book has, ask for a step by step solution
[\int \sqrt{\tan x} , dx]

[kind hemlock]

5 thinking gives this

[toxic egret]

this is another one

and it involves a lot more steps

[verbal nimbus]

I'm curious, did it get it right? @toxic egret

[toxic egret]

one sec let me check

[kind hemlock]

Wait for follow-up

[barren halo]

hey

[verbal nimbus]

This one seems annoying, but the steps seem recognizable

[verbal nimbus]

This one... what technique is that even?

[kind hemlock]

I have no clue, I'm not that good at math lmao

[toxic egret]

yes, the solutions follow

[verbal nimbus]

Oh actually it's quite simple

It's just applying integration by parts repeatedly

It's the sum notation and (-1) that makes it confusing

[late bluff]

Question:Are all models that are listed on the website are unlimited and free?

I'm just new here

[stray aspen]

What's this

[fiery gull]

Nope. Models like GPT-5 Pro and Grok-4 Heavy aren't even on the LM Arena leaderboard. And some other models, like Oceanstone for example, only appear in battle mode, so you can't use them in direct chat.

[toxic egret]

Math

[stray aspen]

Yes but what math is it

[toxic egret]

Integral math?

[fiery gull]

Math 2

[stray aspen]

Is it calculus II

[verbal nimbus]

I bet it can't solve this:

\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2} + u + \frac{\partial u}{\partial t} = \frac{2u}{x^2} + u + \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial t^2}

Cleanly, at least :P

[toxic egret]

Its analytic?

[golden ocean]

:P

[verbal nimbus]

Yup

Wait lemme give it the solution and ask it to double check

Went backwards from the solution to create it

It must be really easy to get training data for these sorts of questions

because it's easy to go backwards, hard to go forwards

[stray aspen]

Ez lol

[verbal nimbus]

ChatGPT couldn't solve it without a massive equation lol

[toxic egret]

$$u(x,t) = \sum_n c_n x^{1/2}J_{3/2}(\sqrt{\lambda_n}x)e^{r_n t}$$

[stray aspen]

Use gemini 2. 5 pro

[verbal nimbus]

Solution is: u(x, y, t) = x^2 \sin(y) e^t

[stray aspen]

Is qwen 3 max think already released?

[toxic egret]

Where is y?

[verbal nimbus]

Oh looks like Gemini messed it up when I asked it to convert it to Latex

[undone topaz]

Generate video is not working for me

[toxic egret]

Yeah it also requieres a bessel func of order 3/2

[verbal nimbus]

Seems like x^2 e^t satisfies the solution

Wait let me double check

[echo aurora]

To use them is free, but there are rate limits that expire over time.

[verbal nimbus]

Or did it transcribe y into u

[echo aurora]

Looking into

[verbal nimbus]

Seems like it works

[undone topaz]

Nothing has generated any video for me yet.

why or how

[toxic egret]

Oh wait yes it does

[verbal nimbus]

ChatGPT gave me a huge function

Gonna see if GPT-5-High solves it

[knotty fable]

Ha! I fooled Mistral with this one.

Wrong answer - Mistral should not be sad though.
I have fooled actual mathematicians with this logic bomb of mine. 😹

It's based on Einsteins gedanken experiment with the stationary traveller on a platform.

[toxic egret]

Dam its very easy to fall in the trap

[verbal nimbus]

What's the mistake 🔍

[knotty fable]

I replaced the passing train with a spaceship that move at a speed very close to C.
But that spaceship also have a very nifty rocket engine that send the exhaust backward also at the same value of C.

[verbal nimbus]

Oh I got fooled too

[knotty fable]

From the perspective of the astronaut the exhaust move at near lightspeed.
But for the observer on the platform, the speed of the exhaust will be zero.

[verbal nimbus]

🤣

[knotty fable]

Don't feel bad, I've fooled a genius level mathematician with that one - he did not spot the trap either. 😸

[verbal nimbus]

Phantom 1 found an alternate solution (third time today I clicked the wrong vote button argh)

[knotty fable]

Good one.

[robust yoke]

The hardest equation ever (according to DeepSeek).

[verbal nimbus]

Lol

[toxic egret]

I wonder what's the best model for math

[toxic egret]

Euler-Macheroni constant integral

[robust yoke]

I think it may be DeepSeek since it takes a long time to really think through decisions.

[knotty fable]

Ahh Euler - ty for telling.

[robust yoke]

😦?

[toxic egret]

∫₀¹ [ 1/(1 − x) + 1/ln x ]