general

[elder burrow]

c a t

[verbal nimbus]

GPT-5-High < DeepSeek V3.1 Thinking < Nightride-on-v2

On a specific question

[strong basalt]

If you have a task in mind that is entirely based on reasoning and requires a lot of in-depth thinking, Sonnet 32k is a good option. However, for any other task, Opus 16k is better. A reasoning model from the Claude series think between 500 and 4000 tokens unless the task is in advanced mathematics for example. Other models like OpenAI or DeepSeek think much more than Claude's. If the task is purely reasoning, choose a model like GPT-5-High or O3. If the task requires reasoning but it is not advanced mathematics or expert science like programming and you want to use a Claude model, use Opus 16k.

[verbal nimbus]

Haha matches your profile pic

[wicked sage]

jesus you didnt have to spent a bit of time on my stupid fuh

ty

[verbal nimbus]

Name checks out

[wicked sage]

btw which should i try

[strong basalt]

ahah

[wicked sage]

the one without onger gallery or with

[wicked sage]

:)

[brazen spoke]

hello

[wicked sage]

hi

@elder burrow I JUST GOT A GEMINI 3 PROMPT

BRO I KNEW IT WAS OCEANSTONE BASED BY ITS RESPONSE

LMFAO

[little narwhal]

Gemini 3?

[verbal nimbus]

Phantom isn't as smart as GPT-5-High

[little narwhal]

How many hidden models are there currently

[strong basalt]

Oceanstone is probably Gemini 3 Flash, or even Flashlite

[wicked sage]

oh

whats flashlite

[haughty hatch]

Hello

[wicked sage]

hi

[verbal nimbus]

Geez it's so hard to encounter oceanstone

[strong basalt]

I have a file that lists all the models, hidden or not, of lmarena if you want

[verbal nimbus]

GPT-5-High new isn't as smart

[strong basalt]

but theres easily 8

[verbal nimbus]

Gets question wrong that normal high didn't (multiple choice)

[wicked sage]

can i get the file

im curious

ik oceanreef and oceanstone

[verbal nimbus]

Lol I just encountered it

[little narwhal]

DM it to me please

[verbal nimbus]

Oceanstone got it wrong

[strong basalt]

there's gemini pro=gpt full, flash=gpt mini, flashlite=gpt nano

[verbal nimbus]

That GPT-5 High got right

[strong basalt]

sure

[strong basalt]

sure

[wicked sage]

ty

[verbal nimbus]

The only other model that got it right once was DeepSeek V3.1 Thinking

[little narwhal]

Single-question benchmarks are not reliable

[verbal nimbus]

GPT-5-High reliability gets it with the hint, DS not really

[verbal nimbus]

Hopefully it's not Gemini 3 lol

Not as good as GPT-5-High

[haughty hatch]

Hello, may i ask. How many AI Video generations is the limit?

[verbal nimbus]

#1397655624103493813 8 per day I think

[hushed terrace]

Hey there. If you´re trying to generate video or image, please check: https://discordapp.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1397655624103493813

[haughty hatch]

HI, Thank you. Is it per server or per account?

[verbal nimbus]

Per Discord account

[haughty hatch]

Thank you so much for the info

[proud hazel]

Hey guys, what's the difference between the "fal" version and the normal version?

[neon idol]

Same question but no one carr

[wicked sage]

how was the fall

jokes side, i dont really know

[neon idol]

They only care on say Hi hello

[proud hazel]

:(

[remote arrow]

Major difference: there's a name "fal" on it

[proud hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[wicked sage]

opus 4.1:

Ah, you're asking about AI image generation models! I apologize for the confusion.

You're likely referring to custom Stable Diffusion models or checkpoints. Without access to the most current information about these specific models, here's what I can tell you:

"FAL" typically refers to fal.ai, which is a platform for deploying and running AI models. So "Seedream 4 FAL" would likely be:

A version optimized for or hosted on the fal.ai platform
Possibly modified for faster inference or different performance characteristics
May have different licensing or usage terms
Regular "Seedream 4" would be:

The standard version of the model
Might be available on platforms like Civitai or Hugging Face
Could be the original checkpoint file
The differences might include:

Performance/Speed: FAL version might be optimized for faster generation
Accessibility: Different platforms or APIs for access
File format: Different model formats or quantization
Features: Possible differences in capabilities or quality
To know the exact differences, you'd need to check the specific documentation or release notes for these models on their respective platforms. Are you looking to use one of these for a particular purpose?

sorry for the textwall

[remote arrow]

If you go to Yupp, they have Seedream 4 Fal and Seedream 4 Replicate.

[verbal nimbus]

Oh, maybe not, the way it replies is very different

[ocean kindle]

gemini 3 will destroy chatagpt

(btw gemini 2.5 pro already destroying chatgpt)

[wicked sage]

gn chat

[proud hazel]

Well

[ocean kindle]

someone said that fal for editing

[remote arrow]

Fal is hosted at fal.ai, the other one is at lmarena.

[ocean kindle]

lie

[verbal nimbus]

Google needs to fix their app/website I think

The model is weird on the app

[proud hazel]

Didn't Google say that we can change the aspect ratio with Nani Banani? Where can I find this?

[remote arrow]

Some freemium websites

[proud hazel]

:/

[remote arrow]

openart.ai have it, but for "pro" users only

Yupp have all the version of Soda Dream 4..

[proud hazel]

The fal.ai Version is indeed faster, like 2x faster.

[verbal nimbus]

Optimistic speculation:
Oceanreef: Gemini 3 Flash Lite
Oceanstone: Gemini 3 Flash

[humble owl]

Create Hyper realistic, 4k cinematic image of Subhash Chandra bose with India flag

[verbal nimbus]

I don't think Pro is on there yet, or everyone will be talking about it

[leaden sun]

as far as I know, it's only affected to claude code and claude ai, not the API (they dont dare to push those whale customers away of cause) just check r/claudeai and r/anthropic, there is user exodus happening the past few weeks, and I'm one of those too, cancelled my sub until Anthropic get their sh*t together again if they still want to sell to commercial end customers that is...

[remote arrow]

ALERT!

[little narwhal]

Scammer

[proud hazel]

October gaining traction from recent leaks.

[little narwhal]

Your real name is probably Karanvir Sidhu

[proud hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-bro-you-got-the-whole-squad-laughing-you-got-the-whole-call-center-laughing-call-center-indian-gif-25440258

[remote arrow]

It was Mark Brian earlier. Tomorrow might be Clark Kent..

[little narwhal]

This server should turn on phone verification

[little narwhal]

Random name generator ahh

[remote arrow]

Not sooner. It's still in early steps to gain popularity. They need newcomers, despite the scum-skim-scam and repeated text walls with weird video generating prompts..

[ocean vortex]

Ultra > Pro

[haughty hatch]

Hi, How many image i can create?

[grim violet]

Ali: We really are sorry.
Mama: And I forgive you. Thank you for being brave and telling me the truth. It means more to me than any vase.
(Mama hugs both of them. Ali and Fatima smile, feeling relieved and happy.

[burnt sinew]

#share-prompts

[frosty dagger]

Hey everyone

[echo aurora]

there is a rate limits for use on LMArena, we don't have the specific numbers publicly shared; however, this is something we're thinking about.

[dry cargo]

hello

[snow solar]

I can't find the seedream 4.0 fal anymore

[proud hazel]

They removed it silently.

[versed nova]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[snow solar]

Yes indeed

[versed nova]

lowk confusing

it seemed better then seedream 4 tho

[wicked mason]

Bruh why

[copper lotus]

How can lmarena be free?

[neon idol]

Hard question

[toxic musk]

Hi

[elder solar]

why is the high quality version of seedream 4 always a square ratio resolution?

[echo aurora]

We pay for the generations that our community use, and only models in pre-testing (models using a code name) involve cost, and data-sharing partnerships with model providers.

[ocean vortex]

There's an option to pay if you want. You can do that. How much do you want to pay?

[echo aurora]

Lol this is not accurate.

[ocean vortex]

I think I saw an option to donate? 👀

[echo aurora]

People were chatting about that in the server

But that's not something that's an available option

[neon idol]

Someone know why deedream 4.0 fal go away?

[burnt sinew]

What do you use the messages we send in direct chats for

Not talking about voting

[neon idol]

Come on everyone know is not true

Stop saying this sh*t every day

[echo aurora]

They're collected for research purposes

[barren prairie]

The model is so tupid on the app 🙂 he completely destroy everything on canevas

[barren prairie]

Isn t phantom an old Gemini model from mars ?

[crystal dock]

Hello

I just left another group because they were making fun of me because I want to make an animation show with a I

If you all want can I show you all pictures

[echo aurora]

If you'd like to share creations you've made the #ai-creations channel would be best.

[neon idol]

Someone know if ByteDance has is own discord server?

[burnt sinew]

Like statistics or are the individual prompts themselves saved

[lunar summit]

Hello world

[sullen trellis]

hello

[verbal nimbus]

Haha yes

[verbal nimbus]

Lol, I thought I saw phantom a few months back, but there's a new phantom model

That would be... oof. I think the speculations are based on their self-reported 6 month release cycle and Gemini 3 model name leaks in Gemini CLI

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

[echo aurora]

I'd encourage you to review our Terms of Use and our Privacy Policy as it's going to be the best resource for these kinds of questions.

[silver wraith]

Hello everyone! Here to test models

[hardy pecan]

TESTED JUICE LEVELS FOR THE GPT5-THINKING reasoning efforts!! (I'm on the Pro Plan)
Light - 5
Standard - 18
Extended - 64
Heavy - 200

[tardy crater]

bro

how to make photos

i get error

everytime

[remote arrow]

Dreamina have it. A dumb and hollow server. Nothing inside.

[neon idol]

Oh

[remote arrow]

I am there. Was hoping to have image/video generator bot, but no. They don't even have Seedream 4.

[neon idol]

Fr

[neon idol]

Do u have experience in creating servers?

[remote arrow]

I have one. Can't say experienced, because the member number are pretty small.

[neon idol]

Dm

[crystal dock]

I'm sorry

[echo aurora]

Now I'm going to be sad to vote 😭

[remote arrow]

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose / By any other name would smell as sweet"

[snow jungle]

Hello everyone!!!

[echo aurora]

hello

[outer saffron]

This is nice

[remote arrow]

Thanks, Simon. How's BGT?

[outer saffron]

Bgt? Whats that? Sorry im just new to this

[burnt sinew]

is this new on ai studio?

[remote arrow]

British Got Talent. When was you quit from that show?

[outer saffron]

Ohh, got it now. Sorry Im not that person though

[serene bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/arielariavt-hello-chat-hi-chat-arielaria-gift-gif-17441739987222883262

[marsh quiver]

hello

[burnt sinew]

hi

[marsh quiver]

Whats up dawg

[burnt sinew]

#1340554757827461216

[serene bloom]

but it is generating this: “A rat with a bazooka, destroying a house”

[echo aurora]

Sure does

[rigid flower]

I created my first video where it maintained the aspect ratio of 9:16 while in the other video it changed it to 16:9. How to fix this?

[serene bloom]

is this real?

[cursive kestrel]

imarena.ai full free ? Or have some limit ?

[burnt sinew]

limit

[cursive kestrel]

Have some plan ?

[echo aurora]

There are rate limits.

Have some plan ?
Nope

[cursive kestrel]

Ahh okey

has all the models of most ai for free?

[rocky mauve]

@echo aurora Why was my message from yesterday containing the weird prompt deleted?

[echo aurora]

I'm not sure what you're referring to so I couldn't say

[rocky mauve]

I sent a message link to a prompt from someone that generated something really weird, I didn’t delete the message, it was obviously u or a mod, that guy is a absolute weirdo who did the prompt, don’t u have logs here?

[echo aurora]

It sounds like we actioned it then, I'm not sure I'm following the question

hey @deep adder long time no see, feel like it's been a minute

same same

[serene bloom]

but not this

[patent aspen]

Long-term pace is what matters. If the new GPT-5 model can beat a 2.5 Gemini model at the end of its life, that's great for them

[serene bloom]

next year*

[patent aspen]

Unfortunately they're still losing ground

[burnt sinew]

what does this mean?

[serene bloom]

lets see if the ai can do this time

[hardy lion]

that's a great question for the #leaderboards channel, this shows the leaderboard if you first exclude all the votes where users votes "tie" or "both bad" before the calculation

[serene bloom]

bruh

[silent flume]

https://windsurf.com/refer?referral_code=100165f605

[serene bloom]

censored

oh no, the video is ok, it my discord that is bugging wtf

[hollow bluff]

ive generated a video where can i see it?

[echo aurora]

It should appear in the same channel that you prompted the bot in. You'll also get a DM when it's ready.

[wicked mason]

Help

[echo aurora]

Whats up?

[wicked mason]

Seedream 4 fal leaveth the website, and it was faster than the other ones

[candid storm]

@echo aurora Is GPT-5 high new system prompt still collecting votes? Or will it not be on the leaderboard?

[echo aurora]

I don't have a reason to believe it's not collecting votes

[remote arrow]

Here we go again! Endless race without a winner..

[zinc ore]

Still old gen Gemini getting 10 right is pretty good. Just gotta wait how a similar gem 3 system fairs.

[echo aurora]

Yeah sometimes models can be removed from the site or from Direct/Side.

[wicked mason]

Ok

[patent aspen]

Yup exactly

I think also that 2.5 DeepThink has never been incredible at coding

[zinc ore]

That's why I think people bagging over it are jumping the ***

Yeah that's fair, competitive programming is oai bread and butter, they've been heavily focusing on this for at least a year.

[serene bloom]

You are just being a professional or your brain is truly optimized?

[vital lake]

Why lol

[robust yoke]

Wrong channel, bud.

#video-arena-1

[near kayak]

hi

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

Ah.

[remote arrow]

Funny fact number 1, while almost all AI image generator praising Soda Dream Number 4; it is not accessible in Dreamina website from the same company. Surprisingly, they added Nani Banani!

[robust yoke]

Ah, comp.

[remote arrow]

Funny fact number 2, while exploring video arenas, found out the best prompt I've ever seen on video making: "duck dance."

[robust yoke]

Heh.

And a fun fact from me: I believe this is a free Hugging Face space that allows infinite usage of nano-banana (though, I could be wrong): https://huggingface.co/spaces/prithivMLmods/Nano-Banana-AIO

[remote arrow]

Isn't it already free?

[robust yoke]

It is, but you can only use it so many times before it rate limits you.

At least I don't think this one has any rate limits.

Though I could be wrong, so it's best to take it with a grain of salt.

[remote arrow]

If in Google AI Studio itself has rate limit, I don't know how it doesn't have one outside. Someone paid for the highest price API? Or download the whole banana to run on local server? Curio..

[robust yoke]

Perhaps the person who created this space has a Google Ultra account and is able to use the nano-banana API as much as they want. So they decided to give users free access to it.

And if that's the case, then that's very generous of them to do, especially considering many don't have Google Ultra accounts.

Such as myself, for instance, given that I don't have a bank account.

Not to mention, it seems like the space itself mentions using the Gemini API, hinting at the fact that the developer who made it may have willingly put their own API key in there for people to use the model for free.

[remote arrow]

Worth to try then, except when huggingface itself blocking users with what they called "zero GPU limit."

[robust yoke]

Yeah, that's true. I never use any spaces on Hugging Face that use the Zero GPU setup, because personally, I kind of hate that one. Especially since you can only use it so many times before it limits you and forces you into buying Hugging Face Pro.

Thankfully, the one that I linked doesn't actually use Zero GPU, it uses regular GPUs.

[hollow gazelle]

Hello. Just joined. Looking forward to try thing out. Any advice on the best way to utilize?

[robust yoke]

What exactly are you looking to test out in the server?

[keen beacon]

Hi!! Just joined

[robust yoke]

Welcome to the server.

[burnt sinew]

wow, gemini gets significantly worse further into the conversation

[robust yoke]

True.

I generally just don't really like using Gemini. It feels like it's pretty bad at coding.

[burnt sinew]

what's best to do then, create a new prompt every question?

[burnt sinew]

ive used it for coding without much issues

plus it's free

[robust yoke]

That depends on what task you give it.

[robust yoke]

Likely.

[hardy lion]

it's interesting how noticeable this is, even though Gemini is #1 on overall leaderboard other models do better at multi-turn conversations

[robust yoke]

You could also just use the Pro model.

[burnt sinew]

creating a discord server list

[burnt sinew]

seeing this, i think it might be something to do with all llms, the gap is way too small to say that

[robust yoke]

Probably not.

[burnt sinew]

1461 vs 1477

[burnt sinew]

probably not what

not any issues?

[robust yoke]

You gave me a pretty vague response, so I just answered with what I thought was logical to say.

[burnt sinew]

well, i can show you it, it's hard to give more context in words

[robust yoke]

If it's that hard, you can just run your concept through an AI so that it can elaborate on it further.

[burnt sinew]

sure

[loud imp]

Glad to be here

[burnt sinew]

me too

[robust yoke]

I am glad that you are both here.

[burnt sinew]

It is a client-side search engine for a massive, downloadable list of over 1 million public Discord servers, and a hypothetical task given to an AI to create it would have been: "Develop a searchable and downloadable database of public Discord servers with their complete metadata, accessible through a simple web interface."

[robust yoke]

Ah, I see. So basically you want to create a downloadable Discord server list, which mind you already exists.

[burnt sinew]

well, i already did

[robust yoke]

Not a downloadable version, but a global version where you can search for different Discord servers to join. In fact, I'm pretty sure Discord has that built into their app.

[burnt sinew]

exportable? and contains full metadata? and contains this amount of servers?

[robust yoke]

I'd say the best coding model to use would be Claude, especially the Opus version.

It's known to be a very good coder.

[burnt sinew]

are you an ai

[robust yoke]

I've already tested it out with creating things that range from JavaScript console scripts to HTML code that can create full pages.

[robust yoke]

That's a bit of a strange question to ask, considering I respond to you at the normal rates that Discord users would normally respond to others at.

[burnt sinew]

well this has nothing to do with what you replied to

[robust yoke]

Well then why did you pose it like a question? You added multiple question marks.

[burnt sinew]

i didn't ask what model to use

and i framed it as a rhetorical question

[robust yoke]

Then again, you still asked a question and I gave you a response.

[burnt sinew]

because obviously the answer was no to all 3

[robust yoke]

And what rhetorical question did you ask exactly?

I didn't really interpret any of those questions as "rhetorical".

[prime mulch]

What's the problem darkness

[robust yoke]

No problem here, Lloyd.

[prime mulch]

I thought you two arguing

[robust yoke]

Well, just like my mom once told me, there is a very clear distinction between an argument and a healthy, ethical conversation.

And that was the latter.

[prime mulch]

Do you know coding?

[robust yoke]

I don't actually. I'm a vibe coder.

[hardy lion]

the swing is large tho, on overall gemini beats claude thinking by 7 points, and on multi-turn it loses by 15, that's a 22 point swing. Remember that the overall score also includes all the multi-turn votes

[prime mulch]

I'm good with prompt engineering but i don't know how to code i can't understand single logic but i know concept idk why and I can code with ai but i can't code my own

[robust yoke]

Well, just like you said, you don't know how to code, so of course you can't code on your own. Just like how an artist might try to draw despite not knowing how, in the end they'll just end up splattering a bunch of paint onto a canvas without it actually creating anything artistic.

[granite surge]

Hey all, glad to be here on my AI journey, hoping to up my skills and see what are the best platforms available this is an amazing service.

[robust yoke]

If you're good with prompt engineering, then you can use that to your advantage.

[prime mulch]

I know coding concepts but i can't code with coding logic

[robust yoke]

Well, if you already know the basic concepts of coding, then you can just have an AI help you expand on that concept.

AIs, just like actual teachers, can be good teachers of their own as well.

[prime mulch]

I can't code on my own like if u ask what this code do I can tell but if u ask me use this make an array and tell how many times its in code and code this I can't code idk why

[modest wedge]

who created rainier ?

[robust yoke]

And that's completely fine. Everyone has their own limitations on what they can and can't do. And you have some certain, unique limitations as to what you can and can't understand about code.

[modest wedge]

Is it an amazon model?

[prime mulch]

Yea and can u code yourself with logic? I just ask this because u said you are vibe coder don't think me wrong

[robust yoke]

I, on my own, can't code too well, but I do certainly have a bit of an understanding of code, just like you do, understanding the basic core concepts and all that.

[prime mulch]

I think we are same

[robust yoke]

We may be.

Who knows?

[prime mulch]

But idk I'm good at creating images somehow

Idk how and why I learn this

[robust yoke]

And that's a good thing. If you know how to prompt, then you know how to prompt.

[prime mulch]

Yea i think prompt is future

[robust yoke]

Perhaps creating long, detailed prompts is more of your talent than knowing how to code.

[robust yoke]

It certainly is.

[modest wedge]

so looks like its a Grok model 👀

[robust yoke]

Makes sense.

Seems like things Grok would say.

[hardy lion]

welcome, glad you are here

[robust yoke]

Ah, welcome. I hadn't even noticed your message. We hope you enjoy your time in the server and that you make lots of wonderful things.

[prime mulch]

Who knows maybe prompt is a new powerfull coding language

[sturdy cosmos]

Hi

[robust yoke]

Yeah, exactly.

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

[echo aurora]

[sturdy cosmos]

Nice to meet you all

[robust yoke]

It's nice to meet you as well, Simple Guy.

[kind yacht]

Is it possible that seedream-4-fal will come back? It had really good quality and was fast (even if limited to 1:1 ratio) I tried comparing it with High-Res but that one just doesnt come close

[robust yoke]

There is a possibility that it may not, but who knows? Maybe in the future.

Well, that's what the help of AI can fix.

Got a vague prompt? Just run it through an AI. It'll help elaborate on it way further.

Well, just ask it for some creative ideas then based on what you want to create.

I'm sure it's got enough creativity to provide you with some good detailed prompts that align to your liking.

Well, then again, if you do get a bug, or bugs, you can just ask the AI to fix the bug. Maybe you could paste the bug into the chat with it, and it'll recognize the bug immediately and fix it. Just like how Claude can.

Sure you can. You can check if there's a bug via the Inspect Element shortcut.

You do realize that compilation errors or runtime errors also pop up in the console, right?

And you can be guaranteed that all of them will pop up in the console, so long as you add a line of code to try-catch the errors and paste them into the console.

[prime mulch]

Hey darkness do you try webdev lm arena is it good?

[robust yoke]

I've tried it before, and it's quite fine, but I mainly prefer using the regular canary LM Arena interface.

You can, if you try-catch it.

And I never said you were being condescending. And I don't really have any plans on trying to learn how to code. After all, nowadays you don't really even have to learn. You can just be a vibe coder who gives detailed prompts to chatbots and they'll go off and create virtually whatever you try to get them to create, whether that be a website, an app, a simple Python script, anything really.

I'm happy to know that you are a software engineer at Google with 10 years of full-time experience and 8 years of coding and school. But you basically just said exactly what I said. It's obvious that they won't automatically pop up on the console unless you add try-catch logic. And of course it's going to fail in production if you don't know what the bug is that is occurring.

And you can easily specify if you just paste the error information that you get in the console from adding try-catch logic.

That's what the point of try-catch logic is. It's to help you further understand why your code isn't working so that you can fix what is causing the error and make it run.

Well, at that point, then you could just ask the AI to add some robust try-catches for more specific advanced edge cases like you mentioned. And boom, problem solved.

[grand mason]

hi

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

But the point is, you don't have to worry about that because depending on the AI you use, it'll have known about the certain many edge cases beforehand, and it can add a system to prevent those from going uncaught.

Certain models have certain understandings about what might cause an error.

And just like how human coders know exactly what the issue is, the models also know what the issues are, and can easily find where those issues occurred and fix that line of code.

How do I know this? Because I've used a model specifically made for coding before, and it did a spectacular job at making a site that is both functional and, in case any errors occurred, it created an advanced try-catch system that would try-catch any edge cases and report them to the console. I can then paste those errors in, and it would easily find the exact line of code where that bug occurred and fix that.

You certainly can, and you can go an even longer way creating a whole script that does what you want it to do. Like, for instance, I can ask the model to create a script that mimics human keystrokes and fires events to the web page to trick it into thinking that a human is sending keystrokes when in reality it's actually an algorithm sending those keystrokes, and it did a pretty good job at ensuring that. All I had to do was give it some HTML elements from the page.

Well, that's where you could probably use a more advanced option like Cursor, which provides agents that can automatically create more complex things. When errors occur, they automatically get those errors and will go and fix the errors that occurred. That way, you are absolutely insured of a full working production-ready program or website whatever you're trying to make.

That may be true, but with trial and error, you might eventually be able to get things done.

Granted, it will take a while, but eventually things get done and production becomes the main priority.

[burnt sinew]

also got this with it

just the data though

[robust yoke]

This is a perfect example of what models can do with no errors occurring whatsoever.

And the best part? This graph is even production-ready. You could easily produce this onto any sort of website you want, and it'll fit in like it was human-made.

[burnt sinew]

@echo aurora are ai selfbots allowed here

[robust yoke]

Is that implying that I'm an AI?

Perhaps the specific prompter may be what causes the issue. But ultimately, I believe with the right prompting, you could probably create a web page that is production-ready and doesn't have any issues whatsoever. Granted, you ask the model to add some error catchers.

Well, considering what many companies do nowadays to combat that, you could probably just borrow off of their idea and make it one of your own.

Now sure, that may sound like copyright infringement at first. And that's because it is. But if you simply change a couple of things about that product, then it becomes your own. It's unique.

Well, if you know what to do and in fine detail, then that's good. You can just feed that into the model, and it'll likely do what you asked it to do and in detail. However, say you don't know what to do and in fine detail, then that's also fine. You could just ask the model to help you come up with some things that you could do to figure out how to combat their product.

And you may be right in the fact that there's no margin in copying a product, like you said. But sometimes it's actually pretty helpful to borrow off of the ideas of another company, as well as the design choice. That way you can create something that is both unique and stylistic.

Something that my yearbook photography teacher taught us was that copyright can be easily avoided so long as you change a few small, little things about the original design or concept.

[dapper jetty]

where are the videos created?

[robust yoke]

Right here: #video-arena-1.

[elder solar]

why is seedream 4 high res always square ratio resolution?

[robust yoke]

Because of the specific settings that were configured when putting it on the site.

[elder solar]

is there any other website that offers this high res one?

yupp ai has it but still stuck in square resolution

[robust yoke]

There is actually. There's the official Doubao website, which is a bit finicky to log into, considering they have a strange account authentication system. Or there's also Fal, I'm pretty sure.

You can also use Dreamina.

[elder solar]

doubao is just china only

[robust yoke]

Despite the fact that it's Chinese only, you can actually log into it with an American phone number.

[elder solar]

how?

[elder solar]

could it work with latam number?

[robust yoke]

On the login page for the website, you can select a phone number option and it will let you select which phone number region you use. You can then put your phone number and it'll send you a verification code that you can use to log in. However, beware because there are rate limits.

[robust yoke]

I'm pretty sure.

If you try to use the verification system more than once in a short period of time, it will rate limit you, and you can't use it until roughly a couple of days later or even a week later, I'm pretty sure.

[elder solar]

it only shows those

[robust yoke]

As to why it's like that, I really don't know. But yeah.

[robust yoke]

Well, what region code does your country use?

[elder solar]

503

[robust yoke]

Try typing that then.

It seems to be able to let you type it, so you could probably just do that.

[elder solar]

it just resets

[robust yoke]

Ah, intersting...

[wraith plaza]

hello

[robust yoke]

Found it.

[elder solar]

but mine just shows those i did screenshot

[robust yoke]

https://www.volcengine.com/experience/ark?model=doubao-seed-1-6-thinking-250715

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

[elder solar]

is it the same service??

[robust yoke]

I think so.

[elder solar]

got rate limited dang

[robust yoke]

Here's the thing: if you know exactly what information you need to capture, you can totally design a system around that. And if you don't? That's fine too. You can experiment with different approaches until you find what sticks.

Maybe borrow some ideas from companies that handle documentation well. Like, instead of recording everything, you could take their basic concept of knowledge preservation but change it up enough to make it your own thing. Similar to how you can avoid copyright issues by tweaking the original just enough. You're not copying their exact system, you're using it as inspiration.

The real value is in finding a way to document things that actually works for your specific situation. Could be something as straightforward as structured meeting notes or a well-organized internal wiki. The point is to make it unique to your needs while still being effective at preserving that tribal knowledge.

[robust yoke]

Sorry to hear.

[mellow oxide]

HI

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

Yeah, that's exactly the problem right there. Like, we can talk all day about "proper documentation" but reality hits different. When you're in the zone coding and just need a quick answer, you're not gonna stop everything to set up recording software or write detailed notes.

It's kind of like how my photography teacher explained working with reference material; you can have the perfect theoretical approach, but in practice, you need something that actually fits your workflow. And your workflow is usually "hey, quick call to figure this out" and then straight back to what you were doing.

Sure, you could try to force everyone to document every little conversation, but let's be real: it's not gonna stick. Even when people do write things down, it ends up buried in some Google doc that might as well be lost to time. It's like having the right idea but wrong execution, you know?

Maybe instead of fighting against how people naturally work, we could borrow from that pattern and tweak it just enough to make it more useful. Like, what if the solution isn't perfect documentation, but just making those quick conversations slightly more accessible later? Just changing a few small things about the current process, rather than trying to completely overhaul it.

[prime mulch]

Which country number you use

[robust yoke]

(+253).

[prime mulch]

Can we use usa number

[robust yoke]

Yeah.

I get what you're saying about scale making things worse, but I actually think AI models might help here in a different way than we expect.

See, even with incomplete information, models are pretty good at pattern matching and inferring context. So while they won't magically know all the tribal knowledge, they could help surface patterns or potential gaps we should look into. It's like when you're designing something new... you don't need to know every single detail about existing designs to create something workable.

And here's another angle: maybe the real value isn't in having complete information, but in having the model help identify what crucial pieces we're missing. Like, if you're working with a model and it keeps hitting the same unclear areas, that's actually valuable feedback about what needs better documentation.

Plus, the model can help standardize how we capture new information going forward. Sure, we'll never document everything perfectly, but we could use models to help create more consistent, searchable records of the important stuff. Not by recording everything, but by making it easier to capture key points when they come up.

So while I agree the lack of complete information is limiting, I think models could actually help us get better at managing tribal knowledge rather than being totally blocked by not having it all.

[vital forge]

Hello, I have been Using AI when they started with BARD and ChatGPT when they were by invitation only. I have used it since then. I love AI and I am ready to take my game to the next level. As well as to be part of such community! Thanks

[robust yoke]

Totally agree. Models are more like really smart assistants that help us code better, not magical machines that'll replace programmers.

Think about it like borrowing design elements from other products. You can take inspiration and get helpful ideas, but you still need to understand the core problem to create something that actually works. The model can suggest patterns, help spot issues, maybe even write some boilerplate code... but it needs us to bring that deep understanding and context to the table.

What's cool though is how models can enhance our workflow in other ways. They can help organize our thoughts, suggest different approaches, maybe catch things we missed. Sort of like having a second pair of eyes that's really good at pattern matching.

So yeah, they're not gonna solve the tribal knowledge problem or replace actual coding expertise. But they're pretty solid tools for making the whole development process smoother when we use them for what they're good at.

[robust yoke]

You can most certainly do that.

[unborn kraken]

Edit screen shot

[prime mulch]

Rather than usa which country I can use

[robust yoke]

Well, if you check out the list of all available regional codes, then I'm pretty sure you'll be able to figure out.

They provide quite a lot of codes on there.

[prime mulch]

Yes but i tried itly and ireland and Canada numbers that doesn't work

[robust yoke]

Well, what are each of their regional codes?

[prime mulch]

+1 , +39,+353

Yea i used temp numbers that said

[robust yoke]

Canada's works because I've used it.

As for Italy's and Ireland's...

[prime mulch]

That said this

After I put otp

[robust yoke]

So perhaps it just doesn't support any phone numbers that are outside of China's mainland region. But that wouldn't make any sense considering I was able to log in with an American phone number.

Perhaps the availability is country-specific.

[prime mulch]

I can use most countries phone number

Can u log in for me using temp number

[robust yoke]

Sure.

[prime mulch]

I send the website in dm

[robust yoke]

Alright.

[verbal nimbus]

volcano engine?

[verbal nimbus]

I think you need a very high temp number and live next to a volcano /jk

[keen beacon]

DEEPSEEK WHAT THE HELL

[prime mulch]

Do you have any

[robust yoke]

https://youtu.be/q2yhrH2lAzI

[verbal nimbus]

Not in China, unfortunately, maybe check Reddit for tips

[keen beacon]

DeepSeek is sooooo back

[robust yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/x3-gif-24301743

[woven coyote]

i'm here to learn, would you guys help me out

[alpine flare]

Oceanreef does have Web access, doesnt it? No way the death date of Robert Redford was in its Training Data

[keen beacon]

Must be.

[long fossil]

hii

[kind yacht]

Can anyone explain why Seedream-4-fal gives better surface detail than Seedream-4 / Seedream-4-High?

[bitter lotus]

Seedream-4-fal removed and image upload on mobile is not working

[candid bloom]

can yall update this like i wanna send txt file but it says unsupported but when i copy all the text i cant even send it cus its too long

[kind yacht]

Yes, I know What I really want to understand is why the difference is so noticeable — especially in texture. The fal version shows much finer detail, while the others come out looking too blurred and overly smooth

[balmy osprey]

hi there

[vivid bronze]

Hi everyong

[jaunty shale]

hi there

[hybrid lantern]

Hi

[fleet lintel]

Has someone encountered "SKytrail" yet?

looks like it's gemini 3.0 pro : https://x.com/ChetasOG/status/1968228749369024587

[fierce cove]

This error occurs frequently, whether logged in or not :

[unborn lantern]

Facing this issues
@pineapple.___.

[vagrant cloak]

Hi everyone

[golden bone]

hi

[fierce cove]

Just out of curiosity: Is it intentional for this site to have a new problem every day for management use?

[golden bone]

how are you guys' ????

[gleaming terrace]

gpt 5 high new system prompt is gpt 5 pro?

[golden bone]

yes exactly

[weary ginkgo]

Hello world!

[golden bone]

hi bro

[vale vortex]

Heyoo

What's the best ai for summarizing books?

[solid brook]

bruh no

it just has a new system prompt to be more "warm"

it isn't a diffrent model

[solid brook]

where is this skytrail?

is it in lmrena battles?

[ocean vortex]

I haven't actually noticed any prompt changes lol

may be literally only there to collect data

[solid brook]

one thing i noticed that it doesn't properly format code

[ocean vortex]

What's a bit perplexing is the current leaderboard... How it came to be from being above 2.5Pro to being on pair with 4o it is kinda weird

[solid brook]

yeah idk what's with all that

[ocean vortex]

Maybe they changed their elo code or smth? Haven't checked, but 4o is super close to the top now lol

[solid brook]

maybe people like the sycophantic 4o more

[ocean vortex]

it was like this

4o is the same model then and same model now

same for gpt5

so idk what's going on there

[fleet lintel]

it should be. But I haven't encountered it yet.

[fluid plover]

https://fmhy.net/ai

[willow grail]

wait what lol they put ai in there

LOOl

[digital shard]

hello

[lilac yoke]

Hot take but chatgpt sucks

[midnight sable]

hello I want to be expert AI creator so I want test any APP...Thank you for everything

I just send prompt to make video...where I can see the result?...I want to see and vote ...thx

[unborn lantern]

Is anyone facing any issue in nano banana

[dire trench]

Hi

[remote arrow]

#1397655624103493813

[leaden sun]

what baffles me here is also opus 4.1, anthropic is losing users massively the past few weeks, I've completely changed my view on claude models too and even cancelled my sub, so how can it still be so high in the ranking ?

[fleet lintel]

how do you know anthropic is losing users ? I would have guesses that they are doing well.

[silk rapids]

Hello everyone

Please, where can I access the video i created?

[leaden sun]

just my own observation from what I can gather from reddit, their discord, financial reports, lawsuits and its consequences, the general consumer sentiments, and their own reactions to the user exodus, but i think they earn still enough from enterprise to not really care about end consumers while I assume they made huge loss for their $1 offer for the US gov

[remote arrow]

In your DM, sent by the bot.

[winged mauve]

Guys, do you have any idea which model will be best for study purposes? i have to study Probability and Statitics of my college academics, do you guys know the best model for it apart form chatgpt?

[winged mauve]

@remote arrow @prime mulch

[prime mulch]

May be try claude and gemini 2.5 thinking model

If u go with chatgpt go with o3

[remote arrow]

What kind of study? Almost all AI Agents and AI Chatbots that are connected to up-to-date database on internet can be a companion. I suggest ChatGPT or Claude. But never use on M'soft Copilot.

[winged mauve]

progressive study of every topics

which my professor has taught in classes

[winged mauve]

sure, i'll try claude

[winged mauve]

on lmarena? will i hit rate limit?

[prime mulch]

Dm

[winged mauve]

okay

[minor mortar]

Hey guys.

[frigid junco]

does any one have the issue??

[dense sphinx]

Hey besides canary lmarena Ai is there anything more?

I mean alternate sites like canary lmarena Ai?

[remote arrow]

You made the AI confuse with that prompt. They are drunk now..

[torn obsidian]

i want to create a music video with an alien rock band sing song /music i have writen

[ornate agate]

The demographic of lmarena seems to have changed recently (see influx of nanobanana ppl)

[dense sphinx]

Hellooo?

I also encountered same error on perplexity reasoning pro max

[tired mist]

I just found LMArena, this is dope.

[ornate agate]

@ocean vortex though if you look at the actual elos, only gpt-5 fell down in elo the others stayed the same (except opus 4.1 which went up, but is also a new model). This could just be error in the previous elo due to low number of votes, it has a lot more votes now so the current elo should reflect the model better.

[fresh glacier]

Hi, I want to make a animation from a picture

[rare seal]

hi i wannt make a ai figure

[remote arrow]

🤔 ... nobody wants to be a president anymore ...

[gleaming kettle]

@mystic bear Can somebody help with prompt i want to blend one family member to another frame. use nano bana and seedream but results where not good. any suggestion or prompt

is there any one

[ornate agate]

check out where Gemini is in this coding benchmark https://swe-rebench.com/ :\

[ocean vortex]

if you look at other models though like even gpt5-chat, it also had not much less votes but the score stayed mostly the same. It is unusual for it to change this much even with this in mind tbh

[ornate agate]

it could also come back to what Cohere's paper said ages ago.

there can be a bias introduced by the fact that not all models submitted have to be made public.

[merry pecan]

Hi I Wanto expermiment with ai video generation an see which tools are best for my purpose

[echo aurora]

hello - be sure to check out #1397655624103493813 for more information!

[echo aurora]

Hmm looks like there might have been an outage more a moment, are you still getting this error? Same questio @unborn lantern

[hazy sonnet]

Hello

[sullen quest]

I bet openAI nerfed gpt 5

[calm sequoia]

The ELO of o3 used to grow in time

This case is not normal

[echo aurora]

Because the scores seem off for GPT-5? (sry trying to make sure I understand fully what needs to be looked into)

[sullen quest]

Gpt5 used to be much higher in elo

[calm sequoia]

Maybe shift in voter distribution

[echo aurora]

Gotcha, okay will flag to the team

[calm sequoia]

Is the GPT5 auto routed in LM arena or is thinking effort fixed as some juice value?

[patent aspen]

The scores dropped when they merged the votes from the pre release LMArena GPT-5 endpoint and the public endpoint, which OAI claimed was the same

[sullen quest]

If I had to guess, it probably has to do with how when gpt5 was a hidden model people didn't vote it down so hard for taking so l0ng

[young plover]

hey

[torn mantle]

tbh

gpt 5 deserves no1 spot

after using it a lot i think it deserved that

[calm sequoia]

In reality smart people are less likeable also 😄

[young plover]

yeah gpt 5 is too good

[torn mantle]

especially at coding with codex

they improved a lot

the new update is crazy good too

some new anonymous models were added recently on lmarena

some people are saying its gemini 3 flash

[patent aspen]

Ah casting doubt on the process when your favorite model is losing. What a tactic

Keep yapping

[violet raft]

hello

[young plover]

hi

[queen veldt]

https://ai.studio/apps/drive/1jXBChmrDvwrYj-ena0rZBSOcElpc3Esm

Textual based rpg game

[wintry tinsel]

Only available in battle mode?

[echo aurora]

If it's a model using a code-name, then yes they're only accessible through battle.

[sullen quest]

Idk seems like openAI fan boys are a bigger problem the Google ones

Unrelatedly, I think Gemini 3 is probably gonna release this month

[wild cape]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-zuko-avatar-the-last-airbender-hi-greetings-gif-3815949163489320018

Hello, everybody

[wicked sage]

hi

[echo aurora]

hello

[lime coral]

https://x.com/synthwavedd/status/1968550416674648479?s=46

leo 🐾 (@synthwavedd)

Some very interesting news - Gemini 3 Pro is physically an ultra-sized model; it has a similar parameter count to 2.5 Ultra. But they've managed to make it work well on the same hardware as 2.5 Pro.

Looks like Pro is the new Ultra 🔥

X · Sep 18, 2025, 5:39 AM

[patent aspen]

You don't have to respond emaster

[sullen quest]

?

[patent aspen]

Craig is just being Craig

That's what he does

[sullen quest]

what is he a openAI fanboy?

[patent aspen]

Yeah

[sullen quest]

oh ok he's a troll

[patent aspen]

Yeah

[split kayak]

Gemini5.5

[wintry tinsel]

So they’re finally teasing Gemini 3 how long is the time to release from model teasers? 2-3 weeks? A month?

[sullen quest]

look, unrelatedly I guess the reason gpt5 isn't listed as very good in things like lmarena is because "text arena/overall" means overall so people asking simple questions like "what is bigger 19.9 or 19.19" are included in that, and while gpt5 is great at complicated things, its really slow and terrible at less complicated things. Faster and cheaper models are better for that.

[golden ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-cute-yessir-gif-17449845613192073437

[sullen quest]

nah

[spring wagon]

Hello

[wintry tinsel]

I stopped liking open AI since Claude 3.5

[sullen quest]

its just that 2.5 pro actually had a similar problem when it was the longest taking model, and now that gpt5 takes even longer it feels like it takes less time in comparison, also Gemini 2.5 is a hell lot better in lmarena then it is outside of it cause the instruction set Google uses for their non API versions are absolutely psychotic

I remember trying to use gemini 2.5 pro using their front facing website and it always tried to turn whatever I was asking into a story for some goddamn reason

[manic lagoon]

@echo aurora I just discovered we're not allowed to attach any pdf files yet or there is any way to do it. Does anybody knows how to do it

[echo aurora]

Sorry to say we don't have that file type supported for upload currently

It's very much on our radar though

[manic lagoon]

Oh, that's a bummer, but please do update us in here. Any idea when we can likely expect it

[golden ocean]

they cant tell you when its expected

pineapples radar doesnt have much range

[calm wedge]

hello, here snooping around

[echo aurora]

True

[wicked sage]

hi guys

i am, new!

[kindred bluff]

hi

[remote arrow]

It grows above his head. Wait until fully grown and can completely maps the whole universe..

[wicked sage]

what did i do

[supple owl]

hi

[deft prism]

Hey its exciting to be here

[vestal parrot]

hello

[leaden sun]

if you ask claude code users, they would definitely tell you a completely different story about instruction following of all claude models... 😂 so whom should we believe?

[brisk shadow]

Claude code isn`t bad if you use Sonnet 4 Thinking

[leaden sun]

well, yes and no, it depends on its "mood" or the "weather" of Anthropic's infra management

[brisk shadow]

I used it and had no problems

[leaden sun]

lucky you then, sadly not consistent for all users

[brisk shadow]

Yeah, thats sad

And fucck "compacting conversation"

The worst thing ever made - Claude chat limits

[leaden sun]

in fact, I've heard many cc users are switching over to gpt5 and even gemini, sam has even commented on that on x which is interesting, of cause it's a great opportunity when competitor is making a big mistake

[brisk shadow]

gpt 5 is shiit bro

I use gemini for text tasks, the best model for it

[leaden sun]

i just had 2 prompts and hit limits, now waiting 5h...

[brisk shadow]

"Original, not LMArenas"

[brisk shadow]

Message limit is bad but not worse than conversation limits

[leaden sun]

I'm cheering for gemini and gpt5 to take this advantage, competition is always good for consumers and free market

[brisk shadow]

And what model LMArena using for video creation? Veo 3 Quality?

[leaden sun]

yea, cancelled my claude.ai sub because of those daily and weekly limits and that insulting injection prompt, anthropic has crossed the line of moral misconduct that I dont tolerate anymore

[brisk shadow]

NO

[brisk shadow]

Sad(

[brave cloak]

what makes Gemini stand out and be the best for text tasks for you? are you using it in AI Studio, Gemini chat or somewhere else?

[brisk shadow]

Gemini Chat

And it`s writing exelent text. Songs, fanficks, game-scripts, and other

[leaden sun]

well, there are good alternatives now and they keep getting better, my hope for anthropic is pretty dead by now, with 4 lawsuits and another one incoming next year... good luck

[brisk shadow]

good luck

Is there Winx Club fans?

I`ve made Darcy fr

[modest minnow]

Hello! just find the AI for a friend of mine and wanna test it for my work cuz im working in marketing and automations and also for fun.

[strong basalt]

convert your pdf file in a txt or markdown file and attach it. that should work fine

true

[burnt sinew]

I use gemini nearly solely

[brisk shadow]

And what model LMArena using for video creation? Veo 3 Quality?

[burnt sinew]

Seedance v1 pro

Or hailuo 02 pro

[brisk shadow]

Good models?

[barren prairie]

I use it daily day and night 😂 no one expect me.... It is good for daily use for students podcasts, pictures for lessons, quizez, flashcards, canvas... It is more than good

[brisk shadow]

It`s not bad for real, but in im-gen I prefer gpt image 1

[brisk shadow]

It`s very good, even for writers

Also + free trial that you can abuse

[burnt sinew]

For images nano banana is best

[brisk shadow]

not on LMArena fr

I will try original model, I have so much ideas

[wide grotto]

Why do some of the video comparisons look basically like the same video on both sides with different models used? Are some models training on the outputs of others?

[brisk shadow]

Maybr

[burnt sinew]

Wdym?

[burnt sinew]

And yes it is

[brisk shadow]

I have google ai pro sub

[burnt sinew]

Complete waste

[brisk shadow]

for free*

[burnt sinew]

Then it's ok

[wide grotto]

like veo 3 and kling 2.1, they have a video generated which is basically identical, one is just slightly more zoomed in

[brisk shadow]

And why, gemini 2.5 pro on lmarena is stupid

[burnt sinew]

Can you not prompt to zoom out

[brisk shadow]

He dont know WInx Club lore

[burnt sinew]

Its not?

[wide grotto]

#video-arena-1 message

[burnt sinew]

#1 on text

[wide grotto]

Im just curious why in some cases both models from different companies have generated a video which looks identical

[brittle tiger]

Why doesn't he post in here anymore

[brisk shadow]

How to change model?

[winter briar]

qwen 3 my personal favorite tbh

[burnt sinew]

Opus 4.1 thinking better at coding

[strong basalt]

Qwen 3 coder or qwen 3 max?

[burnt sinew]

Free on lmarena direct chat

[strong basalt]

Its better at front end but otherwise gpt 5 high crush it

[rain steeple]

💀

[burnt sinew]

No? Check the coding and webdev leaderboards

On webdev it's slightly higher

On coding it's higher opus

How come

[rain steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[strong basalt]

People who rate coding models on lmarena will usually rate more depending on the front-end

[sullen quest]

Web dev is more reliable cause the code has to work

Other arenas measure is messed up because it's more about conversationality

[brisk shadow]

I mean in video gen

[patent aspen]

OpenAI made a GPT-5 endpoint available to LMArena before release. That one performed well. Then GPT-5 was launched, and LMArena collected votes for the public endpoint, which OpenAI told LMArena was the same as GPT-5 (High). LMArena then merged the votes for both the pre-release LMArena endpoint and the public GPT-5 (High) endpoint, and that is when the ELO started dropping

[wicked sage]

can i make opus 4.1 be sentient

[wintry tinsel]

I’m not even sure it’s better than 4.0 lol

[brisk shadow]

Using Opus on LMArena?)

[wicked sage]

ye

[wintry tinsel]

I pay a service called sim theory to use opus since it’s cheap there, the version you get on arena is not great

[wicked sage]

"claude-opus-4-1-20250805-thinking-16k"

[wicked sage]

awh i use lmarena since

im poor as hell

:(

[wintry tinsel]

It’s ok I use free Gemini and only use sim theory for Claude

[wicked sage]

wait what is sim theory

maybe i can ask my mom to pay since you said its "cheap"

[wintry tinsel]

What do you mean by sentient? It’s impossible to get it sentient

[wicked sage]

instead of..

20 EUROS...

UGGHHHHHH

[wicked sage]

sad

[wintry tinsel]

You can get it to roleplay some characters that seem sentient and act sentient I guess

[wicked sage]

fair

[wicked sage]

btw

how much does sim theory cost

and this sim theory? https://simtheory.ai/

[wintry tinsel]

Yeah it’s that, I meant cheap as in cheap compared to api prices not cheap as in doesn’t cost much

[wicked sage]

oh

5 million dollar

[strong basalt]

puter.js and gpt4free are good for free

[wicked sage]

ty

[strong basalt]

np

[wicked sage]

its that easy???

[strong basalt]

yeah

[glacial pivot]

Hello All. I am a apassionate for the IA, although I´m not a IT savvy but a curious for the marvels of the IA, which is my current main hobbie.

[cedar tide]

@echo aurora

[echo aurora]

Thank you, will flag.

[wicked sage]

hey pineapple

are "oceanreef" and "oceanstone" (and more non direct chat bots) coming to lmarena soon?

[wintry tinsel]

What about sky trail is that on lm arena now?

[cedar tide]

Sorry false error, the ranking is "top 10 rankings by provider" it only takes into account the first of each

[strong basalt]

they're already here

[echo aurora]

Yeah was just about to say.

I missed that at first too.

[wicked sage]

no i meant in direct chat

sorry

[strong basalt]

ah sorry, no

[wicked sage]

ok

thats fine

[cedar tide]

@echo aurora
Real error.
Step 3 need to be at 8th
https://huggingface.co/stepfun-ai/step3

Need to write apache 2.0

[upbeat forge]

gemma is geminis?

[cedar tide]

Yes

[twin siren]

How do I generate a videos

Video I meant lol im new

[cedar tide]

So
Open ai 9
Mistral 10
And NVIDIA nemotron out of the top 10

[upbeat forge]

text to video or image to video in channels #video-arena-1 / #video-arena-2

[echo aurora]

Be sure to check out #1397655624103493813 for more information.

[echo aurora]

[twin siren]

Ok 👍🏽

[wicked sage]

@echo aurora

(this is how you do it)[https://lmarena.ai/leaderboard/]

FKC

FCK

hello

[echo aurora]

Models that use code-names will only appear in Battle Mode

[wicked sage]

there we go

[wicked sage]

ok

[wicked sage]

correction

idk why it didnt work for you

oh nvm

you didnt add https://

[echo aurora]

yeah correcting now.

[wicked sage]

you welcom

[wicked sage]

oh btw

<-- text webdev -->

[left escarp]

is th wy o just see ll th videos you creted

is there a way *

[echo aurora]

If you go into the search bar -> click mentions -> type in your username

[left escarp]

thnks

[cedar tide]

Open source leaderboard without style control

[crystal dock]

I just got my first animation job at the voiceralm

[cedar tide]

It will bé fixed ?

[echo aurora]

Ah, it's proprietary

[cedar tide]

🤦 its apache 2.0

https://huggingface.co/stepfun-ai/step3

[cedar tide]

.

[echo aurora]

Ah, I see now. Thanks.

[ornate agate]

What about Qwen 235 and DeepSeek 3.1?

[cedar tide]

Leaderboard with just the first of each provider

Like the leaderboard that lm arena shared but without style control

[ornate agate]

Ah ok… default on the actual leaderboard should be that too actually

The top of leaderboard is currently spammed by a bunch of similar gpt and Claude models

[burnt sinew]

This is true

[ornate agate]

Also seed OSs is probably worth it for lmarena to include. It’s a decent model ( though due to size it probably isn’t at top)

[echo aurora]

@woven gale Check out #1397655624103493813 for info on how to use the bot properly.

[desert abyss]

@sturdy crane please check the https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1397655624103493813 channel to use the bot properly.

[grizzled leaf]

hello

[cedar dirge]

hi, I just wanna explore

[proud hazel]

HEy

[remote arrow]

🫣

I believe that many people will agree with me, if it's part of manners, when we ask first, before sending DM or friend request to somebody.

[lunar sable]

Hello

[proud hazel]

Yoo

[proud hazel]

Alright, October it is.

[worldly lark]

Is there any limit on video and image generation?

[remote arrow]

Yes

[ember iris]

Can't find can't find seedream4-highres now. It was there before 10 min... Now I can't find it in direct chat

[proud hazel]

They removed silently Seedream 4 High Res 😠

[proud hazel]

yeah

[ember iris]

I was literally enjoying it creating my realistic pics rather than gemini

Created by seedream4-highres

[neon idol]

BRO

NOO

HOW IT CAN BE POSSIBLE

@echo aurora

What happened at seedream 4 high res

[ember iris]

@echo aurora what bro very wrong bro

[proud hazel]

We literally told them to communicate changes to everyone, and yet again they're just making changes without telling anyone. I just don't understand.

[ember iris]

But why remove such a good model

[echo aurora]

Going to look into to see if this wasn't suppose to be removed.

[remote arrow]

Whaaattt..?

[echo aurora]

Would note that not all changes we're going to make an announcement about.

[neon idol]

There isn't

Is like vanished

https://tenor.com/o3jwgQxyvhd.gif

Like that

[proud hazel]

But this is a big change for a lot of people and worth communicating.

[ember iris]

Don't remove seedream4-highres

[neon idol]

Come one reguve us seedream 4 high res

We want it

or rather

We need it

[proud hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

Wrong channel buddy.

[echo aurora]

Can confirm that seedream-4-high-res was removed intentionally and that this isn't a bug.

I won't be able to provide more details, but will keep you all updated when I can.

[remote arrow]

It's all about testing AI anyway. Probably the testing phase for that model was over..

😭

[zealous sparrow]

the VsCode text completion model is weird

[neon idol]

Come on

[lapis linden]

Why are so many of you such weird impatient children about this

LMArena is first n foremost a service for providers to gain evaluation data and it just so happens to users can use it for free

[echo aurora]

Lets try to treat others with respect please

[neon idol]

Can u shut up and take this in your mind?

[lapis linden]

like just settle down im sure theres reasons to do whatever theyre doing. not like its 'teehee i think itd be funny to remove seeddream 4 highres', theres probably a reason and a reason that wouldn't be changed by some people on discord going Bro Please

[neon idol]

My grandfather lived for 100 years, do you know why?

because he minded his own business

[lapis linden]

Lmfao

[neon idol]

@echo aurora There are chances for reuse seedream 4 high res?

[lapis linden]

There u go pal thats better

[neon idol]

He will appear?

[echo aurora]

Yeah there is a possibility

[lapis linden]

Literally encouraging you brother

[neon idol]

High or low?

[neon idol]

Bro changes mood in like 10 seconds

[echo aurora]

High

[neon idol]

who do you think you are?

[neon idol]

Damn thats good

[echo aurora]

@neon idol @lapis linden this back and forth isn't productive, lets move on please.

[sharp spear]

Hi thanks for the invite

[outer sphinx]

hi

[remote arrow]

What GPT-1-Image describes as cute and adorable..

[neon idol]

Lol

Where is my seedream 4 high res 🥀

[remote arrow]

Soda Dream is having a rest. How bad do you need it?

[lusty tinsel]

no more web dev?

[echo aurora]

Is it down for you? Appears to be working just fine for me - https://web.lmarena.ai/

[neon idol]

A lot

[lusty tinsel]

i see, if we use direct link it works, but on the main website it doesnt show in the options like image and search etc...

[remote arrow]

DM

[fleet lintel]

my prediction...they are both just 2.5 variants

[echo aurora]

Would you mind creating a post in #1343291835845578853 and share some more details there? Give me a ping once posted.

[fleet lintel]

yeah..something like that

[lusty tinsel]

just created one 👍

[subtle rivet]

hey folks, anyone gone down the path of LLM for short story creation for marketing?

just curious which models are decent for something like that.....

[drowsy hemlock]

hello everyone

[subtle rivet]

GOAL:
takeing some custom illsutrations making some animated story so as to promote the artist

[zinc ore]

Ain't no way it is pro

[crisp cliff]

Hello everyone, excited to be a part of the community of creativity and learning. Thanks for having me!

[echo aurora]

welcome welcome

[lunar glade]

Banana is getting stricter, literally all my prompts got randomly flagged by 50%

if the reference image have any shown thigh, Banana: nope sry

[strong basalt]

imo thats gemini flash (oceanstone) + flashlite or gemma 4 12b (oeanreef)

i hope bc oceanreef is rly trash

[echo aurora]

Thank you for flagging this btw. We plan to update in the next release. We really appreciate you letting us know.

[hard quiver]

Is it possible to use in-painting with NanoBanana through its API? For example, sending the original image along with a mask in a web app request, so that it only edits inside the masked area without changing anything outside. Or is this not supported in NanoBanana?

[patent aspen]

Let me check. Just a sec

Yeah still Gemini

[proud hazel]

In PlayStore is:
1st ChatGPT
2nd Google Gemini

[patent aspen]

Yeah it was already like that. He was asking about the App Store

Basically iPhone users have tended to install and engage with Gemini more than ChatGPT over the past week or so

[proud hazel]

Oh, I see. It felt out of context because he asked so randomly.

[patent aspen]

Yeah he likes to tag me while I'm at work any time OpenAI gets a minor win

Then he'll say something like "only Android bots use Gemini" although I guess this week it's been the opposite

[knotty pecan]

hello im here to make a 3d video for my websit

[zinc ore]

Banana beastin

[ocean vortex]

Company that owns the OS have their own app in top1 spot, and…?

[patent aspen]

No that's iOS

The App Store is Apple

[ocean vortex]

Oh then it’s region specific. Got confused there for a sec lol. Gemini is nowhere near the top for me

[patent aspen]

Ah in the US Gemini is #1

[violet spade]

why they remove sedreem 4 - high ?

[patent aspen]

Which country? I just checked all the top markets and Gemini was never lower than #2

Oh Lithuania

[ornate agate]

Gemini is nr2 for me in my EU country too

[patent aspen]

Yeah it's generally #1 or #2 in the top markets

[ornate agate]

I think nano banana had a bigger impact than gpt5

[patent aspen]

Yup

Well I guess we'll never know the impact GPT-5 could have had if it met expectations

But yeah I think people like images a lot

[ornate agate]

If Google can launch Gemini 3 well with actually premium feeling premium subscription and decent free tier I think Google won.

[patent aspen]

Yeah

[ornate agate]

Although have you seen latest swe rebench?

Gemini coding perf really is just so bad and must be fixed

[patent aspen]

I 100% agree

[hazy quest]

Did you guys meet the "Sorting-hat" model? What a weird name

[oblique quiver]

Where is seedream-4-high-res

[echo aurora]

It was removed for now

[oblique quiver]

When will it be back?

[echo aurora]

Sorry to say I don't have an estimate for you

[mystic citrus]

hy how is the hood

[mental bluff]

hello

[echo aurora]

hey there

[mental bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-you-gif-23971697

[robust yoke]

Oh well.

[robust yoke]

Greetings.

[robust yoke]

Doing good, and you?

And the bigger jump was nano-banana.

Because it's the first actual native image editor.

Not really, actually.

If anything, it does a better job at generating images rather than editing them.

They were, but now they're not.

Especially with an image editor that is able to preserve all details of an image while only changing one minor thing.

Meanwhile, GPT's image editor changes every part of an image.

Sure, it gets the prompt, but at the same time, it sacrifices many parts of what the original picture had.

Let's say you have a fan, but it's not within the frame; only half of it is.

Then GPT Image will have to hallucinate what the rest of that could look like, so it ends up generating a pole in place of a fan.

A black pole.

Ahem…

And you're not?

“Joke”.

Right…

I think the only “joke” was the attempt at a roast gone wrong.

They're on my profile.

Also, that may be true, given that ChatGPT is a very widely used product; however, Google also has a quite large fanbase, as it's the most commonly used search engine in the world.

Somewhere near a billion users use it every day.

So it's wrong to say that it's not nearly as big a company as OpenAI is.

Wrong channel.

#video-arena-1.

[native yarrow]

brooo they done removed seedream high res

[cloud zinc]

good, nano banana better

[steel sorrel]

I just guess openAI is saving new image model. Banana is better than gpt image, but gpt-image can do something that other native image model can't do it. Since seedream and reve shows their own native model even though these model is not good as banana, we can expect openAI quickly makes their own too. I think gpt image have 1 big step.

Also, google can make a big leap with their 2.5 pro native image model. After 2.5 pro image and gpt-image 2 are both released, we can see who is real winner of this year for image model.

[native yarrow]

A new image model is coming out from openai?

[cloud zinc]

prob during december with 12 days of openai

[tiny ice]

Hi there!!!I want to test several ai models

[native yarrow]

Yeah but I liked the 4k images

[sullen quest]

nah, sounds like a bad idea, you don't need 2.5 pro to make a image model, 2.5 flash is fine

[remote arrow]

The real winner is always Assistant A. Not debatable.

[indigo flame]

where is the seedream 4 HQ?

[wintry tinsel]

Why?

[weak meteor]

Why is still loading 😂

[native yarrow]

Licensing issues maybe bytedance wasnt happy with the fact users could ues it for free

[lapis wraith]

how is this company profitable btw

[burnt sinew]

your data duh

[lapis wraith]

alr ur ND dont wanna conversate w/ u

[burnt sinew]

idek what ND means but alright

[lapis wraith]

yh i agree

people will always pay for mindshare/influence on markets

in the future imo

like

the most succesful people wont have technicanlity at all

it will literally just be people who can capture mindshare and go viral

[random briar]

Is there a list of all the models in the side-by-side, with image resolution?

[barren ore]

Why remove seedream-4-high res 😫

[robust yoke]

I suppose so.

For unknown reasons as of right now.

[prime mulch]

Bro 😭 they removed seedream 4 highres 😭😭😭

[robust yoke]

Yeah, heh heh.

Well, I did find out how to use Seedream 4 on Doubao.

[prime mulch]

Highres?

[robust yoke]

Yeah.

[prime mulch]

How

[robust yoke]

It's customizable on there.

[prime mulch]

Can u DM me

[robust yoke]

You can even set the output ratio.

[robust yoke]

Sure.

[prime mulch]

Can I use doubao

[robust yoke]

Anyone can.

[eternal mulch]

hello

[echo aurora]

You'll be able to find a list of the models on our leaderboards (or in the drop down menu), but there isn't information on image resolution sorry to say. https://lmarena.ai/leaderboard/text-to-image

[random briar]

Thank you. Appreciate the link. But yes, I am looking for models with higher resolution. The 500x500 are too low res

[prime mulch]

What happened to seedream highres

We are so sad because seedream 4 highres was not available

[echo aurora]

We removed it, TBD if/when it'll return. I'll be sure to put out an announcement though if it is.

[echo aurora]

Yeah very understandable, I was enjoying it a lot too

[random briar]

Yup, once you get used to that high res generation, the 500x500 seems pointless.

[barren ore]

@echo aurora how about Seedream 4 fal? I'm pretty sure I saw it a few days ago. Now it's gone 😭

[spare ledge]

Does anyone know where all the data from prompts is stored and if it can be made public? In the terms and conditions, this is not specified.

[flat wagon]

@echo aurora I am not able to login to your website, It's a little bit urgent please help?

[verbal nimbus]

That's nightride/nightride-on/nightride-on-v2 I think, it speaks almost exactly the same as 2.5 Pro but is slightly better.

[flat wagon]

Even this link also failed to log me in🤯

[verbal nimbus]

https://x.com/langscoreliam/status/1968141895890076072

Liam Ó Deaghaidhe (@langscoreliam)

BREAKING 🚨: gemini-3.0-ultra spotted in Google’s Gemini CLI repo, committed 4 days ago!

First public proof of Ultra. Beta in October? @lmarena_ai @testingcatalog @AIExplainedYT

X · Sep 17, 2025, 2:36 AM

Google is releasing Veo 3 Fast for anyone to use on YT, RIP YT content

[unborn lantern]

Seedream 4 high res missing @echo aurora

[verbal nimbus]

Nowadays you can't even watch a cute animal video without wondering if it's AI generated

[modest swift]

hello

[cobalt sand]

Hello