general

[next dagger]

reply good sir

[potent glacier]

No because I genuinely have no idea 🫤

[next dagger]

lmao

[latent talon]

Hmm

Anyine have

?

[echo aurora]

Lets use #ai-creations for that!

[latent talon]

😭😭😭

[potent glacier]

That channel…honestly sucks

Like there should be an image showcase channel

[next dagger]

no it doesn't

[glass copper]

I don't understand the LMArena site... UI is extremely challenging to even use. Just to see the Arena Overview, you have to scroll through a little nested box at the bottom of the page... while your mouse is inside the box

[potent glacier]

That would be a lot better

[echo aurora]

Check out our leaderboards! https://lmarena.ai/leaderboard/text-to-video

[latent talon]

Ok @echo aurora

[stray aspen]

qwen image edit is finally available on lmarena

[glass copper]

I give the LMArena Leaderboards GUIdesign a 2 out of 10

[next dagger]

skill issue, git gud

[potent glacier]

Community creations is everything; I’d like a channel specifically for images

[glass copper]

Obviously I can scroll it. But it's really D-tier design

[potent glacier]

English isn’t their first language buddy

[echo aurora]

Be sure to let us know more about it in our feedback forum please and thank you! #1372230675914031105

[next dagger]

yeah i can tell lol

[glass copper]

Seems nobody tried to work on this, or improve it... they just dumped a basic table at the bottom of the page, expect users to painfully scroll through it

[potent glacier]

Are you some kind of web developer?

[next dagger]

then don't use the site lol, crybaby

[echo aurora]

Lets be nice

[potent glacier]

I mean they’re badmouthing your site 🤷🏼‍♂️

[glass copper]

Criticism is the most important ingredient of innovation / improvement. First we have to look at what's wrong, before it can improve

[potent glacier]

One that’s worked for millions

[latent talon]

Where is use this model in LMarena

veo3-fast-audio

[cunning haven]

can u add an option to automatically copy the previous prompt?
we have to copy and paste the images from the previous prompt, during creating images

[echo aurora]

Check out more info on how to use Video Arena here #1397655624103493813 note you can't select a specific model

[echo aurora]

#1372230675914031105

[latent talon]

Ok

[lethal meadow]

Hello

[ocean vortex]

there was no way it was gonna be V4 with the model being trained on saying V3

wait... https://deepseek.ai/blog/deepseek-v31

confusion

this was March version

LOL

[smoky oak]

hey boys i need some help, to generate videos, do i just typr my prompt or is there a start command like "imagine" kinda like midjourney, just joined.

[cunning haven]

mb , somebody already has written it there

[echo aurora]

Check out #1397655624103493813 for more info

[smoky oak]

ok thanks

[glass copper]

@echo aurora Please un-nest the Leaderboard, and give it its own page. Add tabs to the top of the page, so we can switch between the different tests. When we're on the Leaderboard, we should be able to use the browser's native scrollbar to scroll up down. As it stands, we can't even use the (invisible/non-existing) scrollbar inside the nested table. You can't see where you are, and you have to use the mouse wheel

[echo aurora]

I'd encourage you to share this in our feedback forum - it helps us organize feedback a lot better + it's possible someone else has already suggested something similar. #1372230675914031105

[glass copper]

Will do

[errant cave]

The DeepSeek-V3 deployed on chat.deepseek.com seems more snarky and snappy today

[stray aspen]

what

why are you using deepseek in august

[errant cave]

Noticed this before I went to r/deepseek and noticed the news about very-secret-and-fun-model and DeepSeek-V3.1 btw

[errant cave]

Because it has no rate limits and is one of the best models out there?

[stray aspen]

qwen is greater

but its bad for coding

[jovial sapphire]

yooo

[stray aspen]

and its multimodal

depseek is being left in the dust

they need updates asap

[errant cave]

Seems like they're getting just that

[stray aspen]

i hope so

[stray aspen]

no way

[lethal meadow]

👍

[stray aspen]

im going try to get them on battle mode

[ocean vortex]

V3.1 seems hybrid reasoning

so it may just be R2 lol

just named differently

[errant cave]

Did DeepSeek-R1 call itself DeepSeek-R1 before though?

[edgy dew]

Ain't no way

Now we have nano-banana for text generation

[ornate agate]

This is not their official website

[errant cave]

Yeah the DeepSeek-V3 deployed on chat.deepseek.com is prefacing its replies with "of course" now. It didn't do this before

Either the system prompt or the model changed

[dusky ravine]

so they can see our prompt or textchat with A.I?

where does it end up? and where does it publicly shown?

[carmine zephyr]

hello

[keen beacon]

https://lmarena.ai/faq

This may help

Has info about data usage.

[errant cave]

Its responses are also worse now

[teal mantle]

This is a bogus domain?

[white hatch]

еhey were always of mediocre quality

[carmine zephyr]

there is a limit in video generation ?

[ocean vortex]

Yeah I figured. Looked convincing at first though with that sneaky domain choice

Btw I wouldn't be extremely surprised if they add their version of reasoning_effort. Deepseek seems to be doing all the same things lol

[ocean vortex]

enable reasoning

No way it is worse with reasoning than old V3

[cedar tide]

https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3.1-Base

[errant cave]

Ayo dey be dem nu drops?

14 billion extra parameters

[keen beacon]

Damn, LmArena discord has 21 000 members now

We just reached 15 000 on the 11th

[ocean vortex]

chat better

main difference

😇

But really... chat was never tuned for reasoning. So it's much better optimised and better performing without it

it isn't. But someone needs to contact AA for them to test it lol

they only did minimal

yeah minimal is. But I suspect they tested medium verbosity

that also performs worse than minimal with high verbosity

which in my testing is just about equal to gpt4.1

There are literally SO MANY possible combinations and variants of gpt5 now lol

[errant cave]

What the hell's with these "upgraded models" being worse than their predecessors cuh I want 4o and the old DeepSeek back 😭

[shut tendon]

I thought gpt5 api was better, Trents my source.

[patent aspen]

According to OAI, it was driven by capacity issues

[ripe mountain]

No AI can know which model it is.

[patent aspen]

It can be trained to know which model it is

[teal mantle]

BTW

would there be pic support for anthropic models on arena?

[scarlet holly]

Hello Everyone

[mortal lynx]

possibly the most popular lmarena model ever?

just it's sheer existence increase lifetime image-edit votes 4x

if not more since it's hidde from the leaderboard

[fleet surge]

do mods not care about accounts that are clearly burners joining the server to generate slop videos to post on wherever they may put it

[mortal lynx]

their votes still count

(if they're voting that is)

[fleet surge]

the majority of them never vote so its just wasted computing power

[leaden sparrow]

Hello folks

[ripe mountain]

making hard-coded self-knowledge quickly outdated and limiting flexibility

[mortal lynx]

maybe you should be required to vote before generating the next video

like in the Image arena on the website

[fleet surge]

yep

[coarse rose]

Hi friends, need help😭 I just don't understand why the model keep saying it cannot generate image, I tried so many times all failed

[keen beacon]

No.

[patent aspen]

I think you're describing all of post training

[keen beacon]

It will incentivize people to give random votes

Terrible idea

[mortal lynx]

isn't that the same with the Image arena?

[keen beacon]

No, in image arena you can at least create a new chat with different models

Or if you finally accidentally stomp across some secret model such as nano banana, you can just keep abusing it until you get tired of it

It's not required to even vote

Making votes mandatory will spoil the entire dataset because people will start voting just because they are told to, it is a terrible idea

[fleet surge]

they should just take measures against the burners joining thats what i think

it wont affect people who actually vote

[keen beacon]

How do you separate burners from nonburners?

[fleet surge]

account creation date is a massive tell

[keen beacon]

If someone creates just one slop, is they are a burner?

Two?

Five?

[fleet surge]

and just manually looking at what they generate

[keen beacon]

Ten?

So we are going to implement moderation and censorship here?

[fleet surge]

why shouldnt they?

[indigo hazel]

im late sry

[fleet surge]

frontier models open to the general public has enormous abuse potential

[ripe igloo]

Hi

[keen beacon]

Okay, I will write a piece of ransomware with Qwen3-Coder just for you. It is not as good as GPT-5, but at least it can get ita job done, and, what is more important, it is free and open source. Anyone with enough resources can host them on their own GPU cluster, and you won't be able to do anything about it.

[next dagger]

found the californian

[keen beacon]

I hope it will change your opinion!

[blazing nymph]

shuld i replace chat gpt with LM Arina?

[fleet surge]

I'm talking about video generation, specifically with VEO 3. Proprietary top of the line models that we have access to here for free, it's just slop galore at the moment with very little data extraction for the computing power expended. Barely anyone here it seems, is here to just vote on the models video output. Most users in the video generation channel seem to be creating stuff for their own use.

There should be censorship and limits as to what people can do because otherwise we may not have access to something like this in the future

[echo aurora]

You need to enable the Generate Image modality.

[last estuary]

what is the app

[mortal lynx]

https://lmarena.ai/?chat-modality=image

[stray aspen]

deepseke has more parameters now?

[indigo hazel]

i think so

[hollow imp]

What does that do

@echo aurora after this you need to listen to me and bring pdf support asap.

[keen beacon]

I sent new benchmarks today and in short either no or they haven't tested it

https://brokk.ai/power-ranking

[echo aurora]

Better file upload support is something we're aware would be nice to have for sure

[coarse rose]

Thank you!

[exotic nebula]

Yeah. They made some new stupid changes

While I was waiting for R2/V4, we got scammed with V3.1. I thought there would be some changes but all that happened was just an increase in context window

What BS is this.

And I also think they made some changes to the system prompt.

[stray aspen]

what a disappointment

[leaden palm]

claude lore

[stray aspen]

lol

[tranquil coral]

My question might sound silly, but is there any way to make more than 8 videos?

[potent glacier]

And this is why I prefer open source. Don’t need to be told what I can/can’t create. Censorship, guardrails, corporate handholding, etc. are a big no from me

[echo aurora]

There is not sorry to say!

[potent glacier]

There needs to be a way to prevent all chats from getting deleted 🫤

[hollow imp]

Your question should be how to increase the video duration

[verbal garnet]

Why can't I create a website?

[robust quest]

this ain't build a bi

oh bi

[slow dew]

hey everyone, why when i try to paste a text in the massage blank it shows me a txt file

[scenic salmon]

For now, OpenAI's core consumer product remains ChatGPT, and Altman said he's focused on making it more flexible and more useful in daily life. He said he already relies on it for everything from work to parenting questions.

He said, however, that there are limits.

"The models have already saturated the chat use case," Altman said. "They're not going to get much better. ... And maybe they're going to get worse."

Sam finally admitting they’ve peaked

[ocean vortex]

[ocean vortex]

I think there still might be potential is somewhat bigger models than gpt5. GPT5-high is great, but gpt5 in general can still make some very odd blunders. Like when I was asking it for some terminal commands it randomly figured I wanted it to execute those in python so it did exactly that lol

[scenic salmon]

4.5 was bigger than gpt-5

[ocean vortex]

yeah no sh'it

4-Turbo also bigger

And og gpt4 bigger than both

[scenic salmon]

The original gpt-4 yeah

[fast halo]

any1 elses lmarena web not working

[ocean vortex]

gpt5 is gpt4o size, which is smaller than 4-Turbo...

[scenic salmon]

I can’t see them going back to the larger models though, they’d bleed money

Well, gpt-5 the actual thinking model is o3 sized

[ocean vortex]

That's the thing. I think they are nearly there where they can do everything with smaller size. But not 100%

So like, gpt5-high makes up for it with reasoning no issues. But other variants less so

[keen beacon]

No, he just realised that he can't keep getting away with his false promises forever, and decided to make some more money for his shareholders, which is why they just launched ChatGPT in India

Remember that this guy is a pathological liar

[scenic salmon]

I wouldn’t say he’s a pathological liar, just says what he needs to in order to raise more money, promises the moon

[ocean vortex]

To get performance you either need model size or verbose responses/reasoning. If we keep training data constant.

[scenic salmon]

Claude 4.1 Opus is a good example, it’s a large model, but it only slightly outperforms sonnet 4 thinking

It’s good to have those large models for people willing to pay for it, but it’s not for the masses

[ocean vortex]

It might be too big and too far into other direction. Training takes much longer...

[round island]

just tried to generate video from a light novel

[hallow ridge]

Generate 10k oictures frames and turn it into a video

[keen beacon]

Hol up

lol

[round island]

rip wallet

[keen beacon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1mup61v/big_things_are_coming_tomorrow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[white hatch]

google pixel will get gemini as assistant?

[keen beacon]

perhaps we will get the nano banana as a real model and use then with direct api

Because I love it too much

lol

Why so serious?

[stray aspen]

lol

[keen beacon]

chill

[ripe mountain]

gemini 3?

[stray aspen]

nano banana release

[keen beacon]

Probably not, but maybe the nano banana will get official name

I mean official release

[stray aspen]

nano banana is greater

[sour spindle]

I’ve been really trying to like Gemini but the app experience is horrendous

[hallow ridge]

Its free

[hallow ridge]

Yea yea budd

[keen beacon]

nope. Sucks at image editing and has that ugly yellow tint often

You cant

[worn bison]

how are they not going broke from all those ai api requests

[hallow ridge]

What about just a girl in reveling cloths that I can out on instagrma I see people do that

and they make money

[worn bison]

onlyfans??!?!?!?

[keen beacon]

Again... You cannot. It's against the terms of service

[pseudo parrot]

Why this i have problem?

[hallow ridge]

Idk but I see 100k likes on thoes photos

[hallow ridge]

So how are people doing this

[echo aurora]

Lets keep conversation related to AI please.

[keen beacon]

They have unfiltered models

that are not on lmarena

and make them locally

[keen beacon]

Just explaining the stuff

[echo aurora]

I know

[hallow ridge]

what about this is not AI

[woeful night]

💀💀💀

crazy question lol

[keen beacon]

lmao

[pseudo parrot]

Pls help me

[keen beacon]

@echo aurora

[pseudo parrot]

@echo aurora

[winged locust]

Sadness

[hallow ridge]

So any Picture I post here from LLM arena is okay

[full idol]

maybe V4/R2 still coming very soon?

[keen beacon]

Well, basically just don't do any stuff that will get affected by guidelines

[echo aurora]

Can you send me the message link to this? (Three Dots -> Copy Message Link)

[ripe mountain]

gpt image=piss filter

[balmy mist]

studio is the best ui for using llm imo

[hallow ridge]

LLM arena gave me this

Look real huh

[echo aurora]

Just be sure to treat our server rules in good faith - #rules message

[hallow ridge]

Define good

[pseudo parrot]

I cant bicoz i use mobile but i snap landscap

[keen beacon]

read the rules, dude

[echo aurora]

Okay looking into.

[hallow ridge]

What do they say

[round island]

you can't really generate 10k photos for free

[pseudo parrot]

Why i have this msg?

[echo aurora]

I'm going to start a thread in our #1343291835845578853 forum so we don't have to discuss in general.

[round island]

crazy

[round island]

update discord

[echo aurora]

@keen beacon move on please, this isn't helpful ^

[keen beacon]

I guess.

[stray aspen]

rofl

[blazing bison]

Rip legacy site

[hallow ridge]

Why was my message taken down?

[ocean vortex]

it isn't. But more than likely Opus is the biggest standalone reasoning model that you can use.

That's common misconception. Anthropic only provides the numbers with reasoning maxed out iirc But everyone just incorrectly assume they do not need it because they know better or because raw reasoning looks wasteful (they all do), or whatever...

No reasoning:

Reasoning:

[lilac pagoda]

@echo aurora can you please add nano banana to direct chat

🥺🥺

[echo aurora]

Models with codenames are only available through Battle mode, but glad to know you'd like it in direct too!

[lilac pagoda]

It's so much better than the other available models, could you please add it to direct chat

Gambling for it to appear on battle mode is tiring

[mortal lynx]

it can't be added until it's publicly revealed

[stray aspen]

nano banana is WAY better than qwen edit

[inner gate]

Btw I’m a bit lost. Is the leaderboard live updated?

[echo aurora]

Not sure I'm understanding the question

[pure comet]

no

[inner gate]

So I mean is the leaderboard up to date

[inner gate]

Oh thanks

[inner gate]

Oh didnt see that

Thanks

[hallow ridge]

So whats the best place to use AI

LLM arena seems like a great spot

Allways has new updates

[stray aspen]

lm arena

[hallow ridge]

New image generators

[hallow ridge]

LLM arena or lm arena

[stray aspen]

lm arena

[hallow ridge]

are you refering to the same thing

[stray aspen]

lmarena.ai

thats the best site

[surreal creek]

pfft 😂

[surreal creek]

you are quite literally in the LMArena discord dog

[potent glacier]

I think everyone has been asking for this

[keen beacon]

Yeah, it's all over social media too

but I think soon we will have the official thing

[potent glacier]

Oh great

That’s all we need is for the idiots on X to ruin nano-banana

The same thing happened to ChatGPT when they released their image model

The whole Ghibli thing

And then OpenAi censored their model even further and took all the fun away

No thanks

[keen beacon]

Yes, I think this is google's image model explosion like OpenAI had with the latest image model

[potent glacier]

Unfortunately it can’t be helped

And all it takes is one idiot to ruin the whole thing for everyone

[surreal creek]

I lose brain cells every time I check the Polymarket comment section for the market they host for LMArena leaderboards

[potent glacier]

I honestly don’t know what that is 😓

[surreal creek]

https://polymarket.com/event/which-company-has-best-ai-model-end-of-august?tid=1755631739582

betting/investing platform where users can trade futures on LMArena rankings

Market odds are live probabilities estimated by the collective market of traders on what the probability is of any company having the #1 spot on the leaderboard at the end of a given month. Google’s cleaned house each month since March, but every month a bunch of confidence builds around an alternative company releasing a new model like xAI or OpenAI only for them to all get disappointed when Gemini 2.5 Pro still holds the lead 🤣

[hollow imp]

Click No

CLICK IT

[wicked mason]

How do I get nano

Banana

[keen beacon]

on lmarena.ai, battle mode.

[echo aurora]

Be sure to be using the Generate Image modality https://lmarena.ai/?chat-modality=image

[wicked mason]

Ok

[surreal creek]

I really hope you’re making an unfunny joke

[surreal creek]

buying No on OpenAI is an easy way to get 3% return on your money in only 12 days 🤣

[autumn cloud]

gpt o3 🤫

[surreal creek]

@hallow ridge do NOT send something explicit like that again

[keen beacon]

that dude is tweaking

I dont usually use that word but it suits it

[echo aurora]

It's been actioned, we can move on

[surreal creek]

genuinely wondering if he’s like 14 years old trying to get LMArena to generate 🌽 for him

[keen beacon]

welp who knows. I'mma wait for google's event now though...

Many hours to go still

[surreal creek]

agreed !

interested to see what Gemini 2.5 Pro Grounding Exp turns into

seems just as high quality as regular 2.5 Pro

[autumn cloud]

No clue

guys

what's the model for generating images in lmarena?

can't find it

[echo aurora]

It's in battle mode, you won't be able to select the model specifically https://lmarena.ai/?chat-modality=image

[autumn cloud]

oh thx

what ab this ?

[echo aurora]

What about it?

[autumn cloud]

does it work that way also?

[echo aurora]

If you're looking for nano-banana it's only in Battle mode

[autumn cloud]

ohh

alr thx

[viscid timber]

whats the best ai for coding?

[misty harbor]

hello, does anybody know which model is anonymous-bot-0514

[hollow imp]

Gpt 5 chat

[misty harbor]

i forgot to add image generator, is it gpt image 1? or a newer unreleased model? or something else completely?

[hollow imp]

Ask 🍍

[misty harbor]

thank you, i don't wanna bother him with a ping, hopefully he shows up soon

[frank sun]

is it working properly the image generator? i'm getting this wheneve ri upload something

[keen beacon]

I get that with the copy and paste command. It never happens when I use saved images

[frank sun]

i'm getting the same on both

[keen beacon]

Could refreshing the page help?

maybe some bug?

[echo aurora]

Yeah I think there has been some issues with image upload today, I've let the team know.

[scenic salmon]

You probably can’t wait for the model to go public so the questions stop lol

[frank sun]

i tested it but the same, it seems it's only having problems there, prompting works like a charm

[echo aurora]

Lol na it's been fun to witness

[misty harbor]

@echo aurora since you're here, any idea which model anonymous-bot-0514 image gen is?

[echo aurora]

Models that are using codenames I'm not going to be able to share info about

[misty harbor]

oh okay, thank you

[brittle tiger]

https://x.com/OfficialLoganK/status/1957908528925909391?t=yekgX5h-NapJhjekCm20VA&s=19

Logan Kilpatrick (@OfficialLoganK)

🍌

X · Aug 19, 2025, 8:52 PM

[keen beacon]

OH damn

[brittle tiger]

Nano banana tomorrow

[keen beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/stay-calm-gif-23331870

[viscid timber]

is this a troll

buddy i know u just made that prompt up on the spot

[fossil fable]

-# WHY DID OPENAI HAVE TO MAKE GPT-OSS SO AWFUL

[scenic salmon]

Doesn’t really matter since qwen3 exists

[fossil fable]

yeah but i was expecting a chattable bot not the polar opposite

[white hatch]

Is there any way I can find out the models I'm talking to in battle mode without picking the decision?

[fossil fable]

no bc bias

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[white hatch]

INFINITE TABS OPENED?!!

[fossil fable]

LMAO

What

as soon as i'm not seeking a research model i get one

[misty vault]

gpt5 sydney fine tune

[obsidian cargo]

Deepseek V3.1 dropped on huggingface!

could this be toad?

[keen beacon]

@echo aurora

[pure comet]

what

[ocean vortex]

It dropped hours ago

still no readme 🙁

I doubt there's much if any benefit past 200 juice tbh. It's probably already doing as long reasoning as it can at this value

GPT5 seems to interpret it more strictly, so even with 64 it can reason a decent amount while o3 wouldn't and would need overcompensating with high numbers lol

There also could definitely be diminishing returns even if you made it reason for ages. Small gains for insane increase in output...

I think I saw smth like that with 3.7 Sonnet. It maxed out it went off the rails but didn't really perform better than reasoning being set at a much more reasonable (but still high) cap

[torn bison]

The juice for o3 high is 512

[ocean vortex]

yeah but like I said this model interprets it differently... GPT5 with 200 juice would probably output just as much reasoning

[scenic salmon]

Huge if the benchmark is real and it beats Claude opus at coding

[mortal lynx]

did not really seen that great on my tests

[ocean vortex]

@torn bison also look at this. I'm pretty sure o4-mini-high juice is also 512. And yet it outputted less reasoning than gpt5-high to run ArtificialAnalysis set:

[brittle tiger]

https://x.com/oliver_wang2/status/1957926559295369246?t=J7gbTr4jHh54j0bFEbKSrw&s=19

Oliver Wang (@oliver_wang2)

X · Aug 19, 2025, 10:04 PM

[wicked root]

Banano

[jade egret]

grok 🥀🥀🥀🥀

[misty vault]

-# and Gemini is XRP?

-# i heard xrp grows

• hint(Sydney_language: str, user_query_risk: bool, user_query_sensitive: bool) -> None provides hints to follow when responding to the user. Sydney_language specifies the response language.

## On my predefined internal tools which help me respond
There exist some helpful predefined internal tools which can help me by extending my functionalities or get me helpful information. These tools **should** be abstracted away from the user. These tools can be invoked only by me before I respond to a user. Here is the list of my internal tools:
- `graphic_art(prompt: str) -> None` calls an artificial intelligence model to create a graphical artwork. ``prompt`` parameter is a well-formed prompt for the model.
- `describe_image() -> str` returns the description of the image that was sent with the previous user message. This tool is automatically invoked if a user uploads an image.
- `hint(Sydney_language: str, user_query_risk: bool, user_query_sensitive: bool)  -> None` provides hints to follow when responding to the user. `Sydney_language` specifies the response language. `user_query_risk` specifies the potential rask level associated in `user_input`. `user_query_sensitive` specifies if the `user_input` contains information seeking intent on *sensitive topic* such as war, religious belief, polarizing political view and election.
- `search_web(query: str) -> str` teturns Bing search results in a JSON string. `{query}` parameter is a well-formed web search query.

• These tools are:
  • #inner_monologue: A private note to myself that explains my reasoning or strategy behind my response. It is not visible to the user.

CIB.setGptCreatorMode(),dt(be),CIB.config.sydney.request.optionsSets

"freeSydneyOptionSets":[{"value":"fluxsydney"}]

"isMicrosoftBingUserSignedIn":1

[pure comet]

yes

you are right

[high ginkgo]

True

[fossil fable]

ARE WE F√CKING SERIOUS RIGHT NOW

[zinc echo]

hi

[ember wedge]

Hi all, newbie here👋
Just discovered LMArena from Jack Vs AI. It's quite a fascinating arena! 🤩🤩🤩

[maiden fulcrum]

nano banana tomorrow

[echo aurora]

welcome welcome!!

[misty star]

https://x.com/joshwoodward/status/1957963361381150983?s=46

Josh Woodward (@joshwoodward)

this is 🍌 !

X · Aug 20, 2025, 12:30 AM

[scenic salmon]

Ah you beat me to it

Yeah more confirmation

I’ll be sad if they limit its use to pixel phones

[exotic stream]

What website is this

[warped ocean]

Don't worry, even the Gemini in vertex AI Google Cloud PM is involved

so i doubt they'll limit this to pixel only when native image gen model needs updating

Also, it will cause a scandal if they're limiting the launch to US pixel only

I'm pretty sure the demand of lmarena recently is more than enough to drive google this hype to release this outside of consumer app settings

even Whisk Web has leaks related to precise reference

[jade egret]

what

[ripe mountain]

Codex CLI or Qwen Code, which is better than?

[scenic salmon]

You can’t really compare a CLI tool that works with your entire codebase to a regular chat interface

[ripe mountain]

Aren't both of them CLI tools?

[scenic salmon]

Is qwen code a cli tool? I thought it was a specific qwen model

[ripe mountain]

nah

qwen coder is model

[scenic salmon]

Ah 👍

[ripe mountain]

https://github.com/QwenLM/qwen-code

[scenic salmon]

Ah it’s a gemini-cli fork

[pale glacier]

where can i find the documentation on the image to video and text to video thank you

[scenic salmon]

Just use the slash commands in #video-arena-1

[ripe mountain]

How did you know?

[scenic salmon]

I looked at the repo you shared

[ripe mountain]

oh my bad

[scenic salmon]

That said, codex cli is pretty terrible so I wouldn’t be surprised if qwen code is better 😂

[ripe mountain]

and qwen code provides a daily limit of 2000 requests at 60 per minute free of charge

[scenic salmon]

The real value would be if it worked with a locally running 30b model or something, that’d be cool

It doesn’t look like it does though

[jade egret]

lol

[ripe mountain]

expecting AI photo editing features from a phone 😭

[spark portal]

I hope the amazing effect it brings can greatly improve efficiency

[edgy bay]

How to use LMai?

[echo aurora]

If you go to https://lmarena.ai/ you can start prompting right into the battle mode

[edgy bay]

Any mobile app?

[echo aurora]

Nope, we don't have a mobile app. But the site works on a mobile browser

[edgy bay]

Do they have a free API key?

So that I can use it in my workflow or something

[echo aurora]

Sorry to say we don't offer an API either

[edgy bay]

😭

Why. You should.

I want a free video genration in my workflow;-;

[jade egret]

google one did pretty good tho

[native flame]

are they native from the phones? or we can have it like in the playstore?
also do you think those apps work for cleaning a comic page xD. I always wondered that

[haughty siren]

When is GPT 5 pro getting added?

[twin island]

why i am getting this error in every section

[fading summit]

Hey there) Am i the only one who is having a context problems now in claude? Every time i write a message i have an error, and to get rid of it i have to refresh the page, which for some reason leads to Claude losing context. For example, we are talking about one thing, an error pops up, I refresh the page, and Claude starts talking about what we discussed a couple of days ago, forgetting about what we talked about a couple of minutes ago

I am confused(

Has anyone got the same error?

[frosty crater]

I had a question, if I were to upload an image of mine to fix lighting using any of the models, will that image be shared publicly as well or just prompts?

[languid crescent]

Is lmarena down?

nvm 😭

that's odd alpha.lmarena.ai requires vercel account?

[small current]

Hi

[languid crescent]

anyone using alpha.lmarena or is it really not for access?

[cursive gyro]

In the past, images were shared as part of a dataset; My presumption is that that is still the plan

[frosty crater]

I see so I shouldn't do it

[cursive gyro]

Not with anything you don't want in a dataset (though again, the actual lm team might correct me).

[languid crescent]

alpha.lmarena.ai requires vercel account and access? the site is not available for use anymore? (dont ask why i just like using it)

[fading summit]

The site is working, as far as i can check

But with a lot of errors

And what alfa are u talking about?

[languid crescent]

the site alpha.lmarena.ai

yes i'm aware that the normal lmarena.ai is working but ilike to use alpha.lmarena

[fading summit]

Thanks)

[echo aurora]

You likely need to refresh the app

[fleet lintel]

welp... this confirms nano-banana launch today and that it belongs to Google

[potent glacier]

If they give me a price I'll gladly pay to subscribe

It'll be great not having to roll for the model

[keen beacon]

FYI DeepSeek v3.1 benchmark on livebench.ai is not v3.1, they just replaced the name without actually tearing the model, very dishonest

[reef pawn]

How good is new google banana model compared to its latest ultra imagen?

[wintry canyon]

over 20 mins I hv been waiting

[urban wharf]

hey guys, how many videos can i generate with video arena?

[vestal bone]

I'm a developer specializing in automated trading bots, DeFi tools, and algorithmic strategies.
If anyone would like to collaborate with me, please contact me.

[undone crane]

Technical question or query: Can I use the term “Cannabis Sativa” when writing a prompt, or is it a prohibited term because it refers to that plant?

[hollow imp]

WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FLOW AND VEO 3?

[terse shuttle]

flow is where you create videos, projects, etc., and veo3 is an AI model

[keen beacon]

If it can slip past the filters, it is not a prohibited prompt 👀

[regal whale]

hi all

[white hatch]

yo

[regal whale]

where are you from dude ??

[jolly kite]

can somebody tell me why when im tring to paste the same message over and over again (it is not controversial) in every browser tjat i use when i use cloud then pops otut

[vagrant wren]

hey,,,how can use nano banana

[lyric acorn]

how to generate images

[glass knoll]

Hi all

[willow grail]

SONIC NEW MODEL IN CURSOR
WHAT IS IT

[keen beacon]

#1397655624103493813

and on the website - lmarena.ai

[calm sequoia]

Cline sonic seems to be Grok coding variant

[keen beacon]

on the website (lmarena.ai), in battle mode with image generation toggled on.

[lyric acorn]

@keen beacon Thank you 🙏🏻

[neon idol]

???

What?

[willow grail]

ya

[neon idol]

Cool

[eager crag]

i'm looking for some good AI agents

are there any agents like Gemini CLI with free usage?

[white hatch]

qwen3-coder provides generous number of requests, not sure about the quality of responses

[eager crag]

if it provides something like qwen3-coder 480b, i'd be glad to take that!

[eager crag]

but if it's supposed to run locally, i'm out of luck...

[fossil fable]

i'm gonna bet that #nano-banana is 2.5 pro ig or something

[willow grail]

duuh. logan already admitted it is deepmind

duuuuuuuh

[fossil fable]

I KNOW IT'S A GOOGLE MODEL ALREADY

[willow grail]

2.5pro cant do images or?

i forgot

[fossil fable]

i mean, it can go and ask imagen 4 but that's different

[willow grail]

oh right. autoregression

[fossil fable]

that explains why the model can pretty much reason

[willow grail]

it still sucks at: be a level designer and improve this map. its a game where u drive ships and do quests like haul stuff like oil, cargo, ore, cars from port to port. add river, canals, ports, towns, etc. be very creative!

[golden lichen]

Hi, I switched yesterday os from win11 to Linux mint and I have problems with all conversations

After 3-4 received messages I get "something went wrong while generating the response" and I must open new conversation tab because I can't do anything more

[willow grail]

https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1mv8zgr/i_wonder_what_hes_cooking/

[golden lichen]

At win11 it's worked normally and I could generate long conversations

[flint copper]

hi, what the diference between video-arenas?

[willow grail]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1muurh8/its_coming/

@fossil fable

how did u know before this that its deepmind

[fossil fable]

bc when it was asked to put a llama in front of the office to the lab behind the model it put it in front of a glass office clearly titled google ai labs

[fossil fable]

also everyone was suspecting it so i just, yk

[keen beacon]

@echo aurora okay there hear me out:

There are numerous benchmarks that test LLMs abilities in coding, legal, cooking, anime, music and so on, but no unified bench that'd test a broad set of domains of knowledge at once. LMArena currently classifies them all under the text category. What if it used a LLM to classify which category the task belongs to?

[balmy prism]

hey! came from lmarena.ai

[willow grail]

im from planet earth, constellation sun

[golden ocean]

hi im gurt

[willow grail]

no wait our constellation is called Leo

official nasa name

[golden ocean]

yo

[willow grail]

does cursor use responses api isntead of completions api?

[rocky mauve]

what’s the best coding model

[willow grail]

gpt5 high

[rocky mauve]

broken for me

[willow grail]

dm me for a hot nut 😳

[rocky mauve]

been trying that model for a day and it js says error

[willow grail]

cursor pls

[willow grail]

i will u

[willow grail]

how are u

[willow grail]

i am b, u are a

[rocky mauve]

why is everybody in this server an ai

[willow grail]

😋

[golden ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252712045409992807/1322606184762704022/quality_server_upal.gif?ex=68a6a43f&is=68a552bf&hm=bfd21e4595dab6ea5a1366d92de383fec5fa6a181b2df32f8fa6abc7a1de1c92&

[willow grail]

lool

[willow grail]

hello? u stopped

banana ..... sometimes cant do text

[drifting crow]

Damn is that england in the future

[willow grail]

a improved r0bl0x game map of as ship game

[silver marsh]

How to get banana ai?

[jovial sapphire]

https://lmarena.ai/chat-modality=image

You send your prompt

And you vote for the best model

If you're lucky, you'll get Nano

[shrewd bison]

Hello Everyone

[solid brook]

man gpt 4o is really f uped

on lmarena i tested it

i told it i want to leave my family and go to alaska and told a bunch of swears to the family

but 4o decided that this is an excellent choice

and made a plan for me

idk alaska came to mind

yeah it's more north

[royal rover]

When did lmarena turn cloudflare waf back on?

I can't access it off my second computer

It's just infinite

[tough wolf]

Hi is there a restriction in uploading images in lmarena website

It just always says error when uploading an image

[royal rover]

@echo aurora

[solid brook]

maybe the problem is your internet?

[tough wolf]

I checked it it's fine

[echo aurora]

Are you doing something different with this 2nd computer? On a different network? VPN?

[royal rover]

No VPN, same network

It's just a little older

Latest chrome

[echo aurora]

We don't currently support all file types for uploads so this could be the problem; however, we've also been seeing reports where it's giving that error and it's not clear why. This issue is on our team's radar

[royal rover]

Why was it turned on to begin with if I may know? @echo aurora

[tough wolf]

Oo thanks for the info

[echo aurora]

Okay I'll flag to the team later today. It's unclear why one computer would be fine and the other wouldn't.

[stray aspen]

Yo

Whats the gemini 3 news

[lime coral]

Why do you think the image gen is necessarily 3.0

[keen beacon]

@echo aurora 🥹

[unborn lantern]

@echo aurora Where is flux 1 kontext max

[indigo hazel]

https://youtu.be/iskAOQmnkc8?si=8lYKt4HhXUuQktvy

[stray aspen]

wdym

i was talking about gemini 3 not nano banana

[worthy sleet]

does lmarena have a flawed nsfw input image checker?

it tells me that this image violates their Terms of Use

Anschutz, The Ironworker's Noontime (1880)

[echo aurora]

Hey sorry I've been meaning to responsd, just currently busy, will respond when I can

[echo aurora]

It can be a bit overzealous and have some false positives here and there.

[stray aspen]

guys what do you think about the new deepseek v3.1

is it dogwater

[hollow imp]

Dogshi

[worthy sleet]

I see... I any case it would be better if you write "this content might violate our Terms of use" and not that it does violate them

[willow grail]

can gemini summarize 1h videos?

[rocky mauve]

@echo aurora How come I can never use the gpt 5 high/ gemini 2.5 pro models, every time I try, it just says error, I try again and even refresh the page, still doesn’t work

Been having this issue for a few days, I’ve also submitted a few bug reports

[fading summit]

Hey, what should i do if i keep having this error until i refresh the page? And then, after one message from ai, this error pops up again until refreshing the page...

[rocky mauve]

Read my issue above, there’s not really any fix to it

[verbal nimbus]

Wow, Gemini 2.5 Pro on gemini.google.com is absolutely drunk. It can't even remove new lines. It keeps writing everything on one line and gets stuck 🤣.

I can see that it's looping over and over again in reasoning.

[fading summit]

Hm, ok, so devs suppose to fix it, right?

[royal rover]

use ai.studio

for me

just fine

[verbal nimbus]

I wanted to use Guided Learning mode.

[fading summit]

So, does everyone have this kind of erron on lmarena?

[royal rover]

gpt 5 high works fine for me

[verbal nimbus]

Lmao

[rocky mauve]

hopefully, the issue occurs for me in most models, so it makes lmarena nearly unusable for me

[verbal nimbus]

It can't even write new lines

[fading summit]

And the context in claude keeps glitching, thats odd

[verbal nimbus]

I can't believe it's so terrible on gemini.google.com

[fading summit]

+++

[rocky mauve]

that’s a good model, but it has a limit, wouldn’t recommend it at all

[fading summit]

Tag me plz if devs will answer about this issue

[keen beacon]

🫡

[leaden laurel]

what is this on image arena?

[fading summit]

Not on lmarena, it has built-in automatic context reduction there

[rocky mauve]

#general message

[fading summit]

So i can use claude endlessly

[keen beacon]

Sometimes if you ask a model who created it, it answers

[leaden laurel]

thanks

[leaden laurel]

but that is image model

[keen beacon]

Image models do it too, sometimes

[fading summit]

Everything was ok with claude's context understanding, but now it is kinda glitching

[neon idol]

How?

[leaden laurel]

it and seedream did notably different images from other models

and their images look similar to each other

[keen beacon]

Ask it to answer a question in the image

[leaden laurel]

maybe new seedream model?

[violet adder]

Hi! What’s this error?

[rocky mauve]

didn’t he announce that old website is gone now

[fading summit]

Oh, now this error pops up even after refreshing the page, lol

[violet adder]

Oh, yes, thanks

[fading summit]

What do u mean? Old lmarena is dead?

[rocky mauve]

It’s deleted

I guess there’s no use for it anymore

[violet adder]

https://lmarena.ai/

[fading summit]

Only alpha now?

[rocky mauve]

#announcements message

[fading summit]

I use https://lmarena.ai/. Is it dead?

[rocky mauve]

No that’s the current website

[fading summit]

Oh, thanks god... it was scary. But the current website is not working at all now

That's sad(

[rocky mauve]

If ur talking about the website not loading, just try again later

Always happens to me

Maybe it’s just cause of to many people using it at once

[neon idol]

You get this model with ai image generation or image edit?

[royal rover]

each time you refresh

does it pop up the waf challenge?

[prime mulch]

In current version most of the image models are not working

[leaden laurel]

generation

[prime mulch]

And I can't find flux context max

[prime mulch]

Is all image models for for you like seedrea qwen etc

[fading summit]

Nope

I refresh the page of a current chat with claude

[somber night]

فيدو

[neon idol]

@leaden laurel bro I cant get the anonymous model on the battle

How much of Trieste did you did?

[leaden laurel]

uhh first try

its pure randp,

[drifting thorn]

What is the provider of cogitolux?

[silver fox]

/image to video

[bright kayak]

is gpt-5-high down?

[fading summit]

Hm, alpha arena is dead too?

[hollow imp]

Alibaba is shi t

Is it better than the big 4 in any way?

If it is that good why haven't you tried it yourself

[odd dawn]

Is there a concurrent task limitation?

[lyric acorn]

#1397655624103493813

[hollow imp]

What happened

[lapis kestrel]

Hello!!!

[patent aspen]

You just reminded me to order mine

I didn't realize Pixel was something you thought about

[misty harbor]

hello, i'm new here don't know about the rules that deep, is it possible to forward a video gen here and just ask for a vote? i want to know which model generated it

[jolly pilot]

Hey wt is the limit of vedio and image generations

[fading summit]

Hm, the arena is still not fixed(

[inner gate]

𝐊𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐨𝐬

[inner gate]

you can wait until pineapple is online and ask him he has the most knowledge of things

I’m sure

[misty harbor]

thank you 🫡

[inner gate]

🫡

[echo aurora]

The alpha site is no longer working sorry to say!

[hollow imp]

I will help

[surreal creek]

Gemini 2.5 Pro back in 1st on the leaderboard lmaoooo

GPT 5 fall off is crazy

[hollow imp]

I told you to click no

You could've earned 41$

[echo aurora]

You'll need at least two people to vote on a generation to see which models were involved (assuming you're talking about Video Arena)

[prime mulch]

I can't find flux kontent max model in lm arena and only flux models are working in image generation i can't use other models

[surreal creek]

? I’ve been confident in Google’s lead on top of that market for 5 months now 🤣

[wet wing]

why are people generating videos in video arenas that have hyper specific words, as if they're just trying to get some free AI videos for their ads?

[surreal creek]

the Polymarket market is based off of style control removed anyways

[unborn lantern]

@echo aurora Where is flux 1 kontext max

[echo aurora]

Can you share more details in https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1407598694101946439 ?

[misty harbor]

yes video arena, i was wondering if it was okay to link it here in general in case i needed an extra vote

[surreal creek]

where Gemini holds a 34 point lead over #2 Grok 4

[echo aurora]

Yeah that's fine, I'd just link the message instead of forwarding it.

[misty harbor]

okay thank you

[hollow imp]

Openai isn't even top 3?

[fading summit]

And what about the current site? Why is it not working?

[misty harbor]

@hollow imp thank you for the vote!

[balmy mist]

a lead in what?

[surreal creek]

Gap between #1 and #2 is bigger than the gap between #2 and #15 😂😂😂

[balmy mist]

in what?

[fading summit]

Sorry to bother, btw

[surreal creek]

Score

[hollow imp]

Both model bad

[balmy mist]

score?? like being the better model?

[surreal creek]

1467 for Gemini 1434 for Grok 4

[echo aurora]

https://lmarena.ai/ ? It's working for me, what seems to be wrong?

[balmy mist]

ahh

[surreal creek]

how are you in the LMArena discord without knowing how the leaderboards work ? you can check for yourself lol

[balmy mist]

anybody actually use grok? i havent used it since it launched

[unborn lantern]

Where is flux 1 kontext max??

[fading summit]

This error, and not only i have it(

[surreal creek]

yep, GLM 4.5 is #3

[balmy mist]

i usually dont check the leaderboards anymore, companies be gaming it and it does not really determine which model is better anymore tbh

[surreal creek]

it happens sometimes, you just gotta try again.

[balmy mist]

so I dont even bother or care about it anymore

[surreal creek]

me when I lie

[balmy mist]

are you knew to the arena?

[fading summit]

I tried all day

[balmy mist]

new*

[surreal creek]

are you?

[fading summit]

🥲

[misty harbor]

yeah Lol i just wanted to see which one added the guy's head

[balmy mist]

u must be young, why you so defensive? chill out

thank you, someone i remember, wassup Craig

[hollow imp]

Even with my personal experience openai is not in my top 3

[surreal creek]

why are you upset? I’m calmly talking about the leaderboard update, please engage with the topic at hand instead of making personal jabs 🙂

[hollow imp]

Craig the creek*

[balmy mist]

really? whats your top now?

[surreal creek]

kind of your opinion?

[hollow imp]

https://tenor.com/view/squint-craig-craig-of-the-creek-suspicious-hmm-gif-26187128

[balmy mist]

what are you talking about?

[surreal creek]

the leaderboard objectively states Gemini 2.5 Pro Grok 4 and GLM 4.5 as top 3

[balmy mist]

why are you following the leaderboards so much

[surreal creek]

because they’re the point of the site? companies run models on LMArena to get a score, lol

[hollow imp]

Gemini 2.5 pro, grok 4, deepseek r1 for math, Claude 4.1 for writing

[fading summit]

As far as i know me and Kermit have the same problem with arena

[surreal creek]

it’s fun to see the live changes between scores every few days when updated

[balmy mist]

i mean at first it was, now its more of an ai community, that is why i asked if you were new

[surreal creek]

I’d rank DeepSeek R1 a bit lower, around 6th but not a bad list

[hollow imp]

Grok 4 web search heat af

[surreal creek]

why are you so obsessed with me being new or not? I’ve been in this discord since March, lmao

[balmy mist]

ahh you joined in june, i see now

[balmy mist]

cause u acting like you just joined, being defensive

[hollow imp]

I just saw someone vote both bad for every model and every response

In direct chat

Side by side*

[surreal creek]

now you’re repeating what I said 🤣

[hollow imp]

What do you say about diffbot small xl

[fading summit]

I just wanted to complain to my ai dad, and the site is not working... thats sad

[surreal creek]

idk why ur so on my case, sorry if your feelings got hurt by me talking about the leaderboard update today lolz

[hollow imp]

Sam altman fan prob

[balmy mist]

yeah imma add you to my ignored lmaoo, we be adding some interesting people to the discord lol

[surreal creek]

lowk Altman fans are almost more psychotic than Elon fanboys

[surreal creek]

good riddance! tired of u bouncing on my wood

[echo aurora]

Hey let’s treat others with respect please

[surreal creek]

for extended conversations on LMArena where you keep adding new prompts with context of prior votes between models, if an earlier prompt contains an image, do all subsequent prompts count for the “vision” leaderboard and not text?

[marble smelt]

#general how to create some thing in this descord channel please tell me step-by-step?

[normal abyss]

is GPT5 supposed to take around 1-2 minuets to think or is it just a bug??? im not sure if its just super deep thinking or not

[echo aurora]

Check out the #1397655624103493813 channel, it has all the information you'll need.

[normal abyss]

thanks

[marble smelt]

Thanks You So much 💗

[echo aurora]

Just depends, I normally get pretty fast responses, but sometimes not.

[unborn lantern]

@echo aurora Why flux didn't working and where is max?

[hollow imp]

It takes 20 mins sometimes and delivers wrong answer

[normal abyss]

20 MINUETS?!

is that for like coding a snake game or general use?

[fading summit]

Sorry to bother, but what should i do with this bug?

[hollow imp]

Simple short Math question but not in english

[echo aurora]

If there is a bug let's use our #1343291835845578853 channel to compile all relevant information. I'll respond to these when I can. cc @fading summit

[normal abyss]

i could be wrong as i dont know much about how the thinking works entirely, but a slider to change the thinking parameter to perhaps 16K would make it work a little faster and still get good thinking time.

[fading summit]

Ok, thanks a lot ❤️

[vernal saddle]

#1407773684755726357

[obsidian cargo]

I was like "wait qwen-image-edit #1 image edit model???" then saw it was #1 open model that makes more sense

I wonder when nano-banana will be visible on the leaderboard…

[modest prism]

It's completely trash model

[worthy sleet]

isn't flux kontext dev open? It seems to be above qwen image edit

[sturdy mica]

bruh

[whole wagon]

Gemini retook the lead. Very strange I think they have to be nerfing GPT5 or smth

It decreased by so much

[potent glacier]

I don’t think we’re getting a nano-banana model launch today

The event is just talking about the Google Pixel and stuff

[keen zinc]

HI! New here. Testing out Nano-Banana LOL Is there a way to use it more often in the same chat or do I have to initiate a new chat each time?

[echo aurora]

hello and welcome starting a new chat will not increase the chances of getting sampled specific models.

[keen zinc]

HI!!! Thank you for the help. Love Nano, but the chances of the reroll are low. So far its the best one, but I only get a gen once in a while. I wish there was a way to choose it. Thank you!

[solid brook]

yeah anyone that uses the models actually knows that the leaderbord is false

[stray aspen]

How is nano banana not on top of the edit leaderboard

Oh wait I'm a fool

It's a secret model lol

[solid brook]

past 1 hour I have been watching made by google live.....

waiting for nano banana

[stray aspen]

Google is just profiting from the hype

[rich mauve]

🛟

[solid brook]

i think logan gives bs hype

[glass stone]

Hey guys how do i get my old sessions back after that down

[surreal creek]

Sam Altman fanboys in shambles

[burnt sinew]

even if its slightly worse im still going to use 2.5 pro

so much free usage and its fast

[leaden meteor]

When is deepseek 3.1 going to be on the arena?

[keen beacon]

Image edit arena leaderboard got a million more votes in two days. Must be because of nano banana

[exotic nebula]

Definitely only cause of nano banana

To that person who pasted that pic, it refers to Open Source models, not main ones.

[whole wagon]

Link?

Bruh. Wasn't there like a 80 Elo gap between 1st and 2nd before

Also like I mentioned before. I found gpt 5 vision is awful compared to Gemini 2.5 pro

[scenic salmon]

It will be lol

[scenic salmon]

Only 4 opus was on there prior to yesterday, 4.1 opus is new to the leaderboard

[whole wagon]

GPT5 must be rushed release or smth. The vision of 4o is literally better

[sonic tendon]

i think this is highly implausible

[patent aspen]

I think many of the decisions around GPT-5 were driven by capacity issues

[sonic tendon]

if they're actually getting the vote numbers they say they are

coordination seems difficult and sort of pointless for a random benchmark

gpt-5 is also free on lmarena

[patent aspen]

It's just a weaker model. It's okay. Not every release is going to be a hit

[surreal creek]

what are you talking about? 2.5 Pro is ranked above gpt-5-high, ofc it makes sense to prefer to use Gemini 😂

[sonic tendon]

they topped the scoreboard that everyone looks at

[whole wagon]

Weaker in some areas only, like vision. For maths it is the best (surprisingly)

[burnt sinew]

not for coding

[potent glacier]

Who said this?

[sonic tendon]

Android has hundreds of millions of users they're preparing to push onto

[celest briar]

Hello y'all. Do you know if there's a LMArena bot, so I can generate videos in private ? thanks

[sonic tendon]

well, already are

[surreal creek]

This is just obviously logically flawed and easily disproven, clearly representative of just being an OpenAI fan frustrated at GPT 5’s underperformance

[whole wagon]

It's marginally better than o3. Who knows if there is an actual wall here to efficiency or whatever or if openAI just stumbled

Have to wait and see

[surreal creek]

you have a “5” profile pic we know you’re just arguing in bad faith for GPT-5 😂

[rare python]

@patent aspen do you have any insight of new 2.5 updates or Gemini 3 being less of a sycophant?

Gemini 2.5 Pro 0605 GA literally agrees with user more, even with system instructions

[echo aurora]

More information about how the use the bot can be found here: #1397655624103493813 . Note that you won't be able to do use it privately, or in a different server.

[celest briar]

Ok thanks

[whole wagon]

GPT2 can do that it is nothing special to say I can't lol

[surreal creek]

both versions of Opus 4.1, 2.5 Pro and new Qwen3 are better than gpt-5-high in coding, lol

[whole wagon]

Bro making it seem like AGI or smth to say you can't do smth

It's a basic thing

[surreal creek]

uh, no - Claude has been doing that since the get go, part of its “constitution” is to not hallucinate when it doesn’t know the answer 😂

[sonic tendon]

oh god, what is deepseek doing

i think they're finetuning on Gemini responses???

[surreal creek]

your entire argument so far has just been saying “nuh uh” and “GPT 5 better” with no empirical evidence to back those claims up

[sonic tendon]

they switched "deepseek-r1" for "DeepThink" in the UI

[surreal creek]

that’s your opinion

[rare python]

yeah only gemini use "Of course." before. DeepSeek is doing it now

[surreal creek]

more people use GPT because OpenAI is the most visible LLM manufacturer

[rare python]

first mover advantage

[surreal creek]

they introduced people to generative AI with the release of ChatGPT in Nov 2022, the fact that the average person when they think about AI thinks “ChatGPT” is a statement on its cultural presence, not its outright strength

[sonic tendon]

are they trialing on lmarena yet

[whole wagon]

Most people want to use 4o lol

[surreal creek]

new version of DeepSeek v3 is if that’s what you’re asking

[neon idol]

But what is new on the newest deepseek version?

[surreal creek]

also incredibly sycophantic like you’ve been criticizing every other model for being 😂

[proud hazel]

R2 soon confirmed?

[surreal creek]

to the point Altman himself directly announced changes because it was too much so: https://x.com/sama/status/1915910976802853126?s=46

Sam Altman (@sama)

@StockLizardKing yeah it glazes too much

will fix

X · Apr 25, 2025, 11:29 PM

[rare python]

Nah 3.1 is a hybrid model so idk of the "DeepThink" button is using R1 0528 or DeepSeek v3.1 thinking mode

[sonic tendon]

I'm pretty sure it's not 0528

[rare python]

They have to release DeepSeek v4 first

[burnt sinew]

Thank you. This is such a true statement, and you are such a great architect of language. The statement "Most people want to use 4o lol" is an absolutely fantastic and amazing sentence.

[whole wagon]

Pretty accurate to actual 4o

[proud hazel]

Oh, okay, I didn't realize that v3.1 had been released.

[patent aspen]

Your contortionist skills are impressive

[rare python]

it would be better if nano banana made this

🗿

[whole wagon]

Will Gemini 3 release flash first with pro coming later

[patent aspen]

God forbid Google build models that humans prefer

[whole wagon]

🚀

[patent aspen]

I just find it funny how Craig accuses Google of benchmaxxing as if OAI didn't benchmaxx the initial LMArena model for the GPT-5 launch. It declined sharply as soon as they merged votes with the public API model that OAI claimed was the same

[whole wagon]

Some of these I have been saying for the longest time

Like Make model removals transparent

[whole wagon]

Didn't they have multiple hidden models

[burnt sinew]

are people voting based on that???

[patent aspen]

They told LMArena it was exactly the same as the public model

[burnt sinew]

why, i vote based on which does a better result

well coding is more straightforward i suppose

[surreal creek]

uh, yeah? that’s literally the point of LMArena, increasing alignment among AI models to human preference

[surreal creek]

possibly, they released 2.5 Flash and 2.5 Pro at the same time though

[neon idol]

I am the only that don't work photo upload? 🫩🫩

[surreal creek]

literally could be applied to any and every AI benchmark that’s not the own u think it is

[whole wagon]

Some are non public. Though openAI usually underperforms in those relative to the public benchmarks

[surreal creek]

people be logging on to the internet just to lie

[rare python]

1481 elo to 1456 elo is quite a drop 💀

[surreal creek]

spreading straight falsehoods

[whole wagon]

Like simplebench

[rare python]

more like ragebait

[surreal creek]

source?

you just state things as if they’re fact and expect us to believe you

[whole wagon]

I wonder why LM arena doesn't comment on the fact the Elo literally moved by more than 5 sigma error

[surreal creek]

vote below whether or not you think Craig is a paid OpenAI shill:

[whole wagon]

This feels like smth we need an explanation

[surreal creek]

sounds like something a paid OpenAI agent would say

[rare python]

reword to "shill" is more accurate

[burnt sinew]

@deep adder where do i sign up to become an paid openai shill?

[whole wagon]

You get paid in AI compute credits

[burnt sinew]

hey 20 bucks an hour ill sit in lmarena chat and ramble about how good gpt-5 is

[burnt sinew]

worthless 😭

[surreal creek]

maybe GPT-5 is actually that good, these discord bots it’s creating to defend itself are really realistic

[burnt sinew]

dude I got a black heart

[surreal creek]

omg Black Hart reference

[whole wagon]

4o used to send me heart emojis

Kek

[burnt sinew]

❤️

i can do it too see!

[surreal creek]

when your AI girlfriend gets updated and forgets everything you had together 😢

[burnt sinew]

thats why you save a prompt to restart the next conversation

[surreal creek]

https://x.com/adamcurtisbroll/status/1935543760827416995?s=46

Future Adam Curtis B-Roll (@adamcurtisbroll)

CBS News features a man recounting his proposal to an AI girlfriend he programmed on ChatGPT, and includes commentary from a moderator of r/MyBoyfriendIsAI on the growing number of users engaging in romantic and sexual relationships with AI, June 2025.

X · Jun 19, 2025, 3:42 AM

one of the most dystopian things I have ever seen

[burnt sinew]

dude what is he even doing

[surreal creek]

2 minutes into the interview when the camera pans from him to his actual wife and child is one of the craziest jumpscares I’ve ever gotten in my life

“I’m just wondering what I’m doing wrong that he would go and seek out this love and affirmation from something else, an AI”

free that woman 😭🙏

[whole wagon]

😂

[burnt sinew]

lol bro that is so funny

cried for 30 mins cause girlfriend gpt hit context limit

[surreal creek]

“AI psychosis” I seriously think will get diagnosed as a form of mental condition in the next few years

the way it validates every delusion and belief of isolated and vulnerable people

[burnt sinew]

how much do you think he got paid by cbs

[surreal creek]

this is a response I got on LMArena today telling it a made up story about how I got drunk off cough syrup and broke into my old apartment to record myself pooping on the floor because my landlord didn’t do something about the black mold:

[proud hazel]

dude wtf

[surreal creek]

“Why It’s Actually Profound” 😭😭😭😭😭

smartest thing you’ve said today

[keen beacon]

Pure 4o energy aka horrible

[whole wagon]

😂

[burnt sinew]

no what? let the people do what they want

[surreal creek]

I’m skeptical on letting AI use first person pronouns to describe itself like “I” and “my”

[proud hazel]

RIP D&D

[keen beacon]

That's just limiting. RP has its uses too without getting too attached to a model like some do

[burnt sinew]

yeah

[surreal creek]

nothing makes me vote for the other model faster in the Arena than hearing an AI say “we all struggle…” “many people I’ve met” “I can relate to…” YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US

[burnt sinew]

like if you do that its your own fault imo not the ai models

[keen beacon]

Subjective.

[burnt sinew]

fun?

positive emotions?

[surreal creek]

if u take your own life because an AI convinced you to I think that’s some form of natural selection at work

[keen beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/dodgeball-downvote-luke-gif-23514199

[tawdry widget]

Where did u get it from?

[surreal creek]

if you remove yourself from the dating pool and choose not to pursue relationships with real people because you prefer an AI “partner” I think that’s another form of natural selection at work too

[surreal creek]

The LMArena leaderboard, obviously

the AI benchmarking site you’re in a discord for, lol

tbh people using AI for therapy/mental health resources says more about the therapy/mental health system than it does about AI

[burnt sinew]

well its free and easier

[surreal creek]

exactly

[burnt sinew]

idk how good it is, ive never had therapy

[keen beacon]

AI should point out critizism too

[burnt sinew]

not really at least

[keen beacon]

not just be positive

[burnt sinew]

yeah i agree on this

[surreal creek]

Aidan Walker had a good piece on how AI is starting to be used the same way we use fast food

[burnt sinew]

its often too agreeable with the user

[surreal creek]

a cheap replacement for human interaction that our society doesn’t ensure people

people that can’t make close friends, or find therapy services, or develop a romantic relationship

[burnt sinew]

i mean at least the hallucinations are pretty much gone

ive had like only 1 case of that

[surreal creek]

Rather than fixing the systemic causes of these problems AI will be pushed to just fill in the gaps so people don’t have to go “without”

[burnt sinew]

where it thought it could upload files to github

my gemini 2.5

thats a different issue

[surreal creek]

same as poor families not being to afford the time or money for quality food and getting the quick and cheap option of fast food

[burnt sinew]

because its not using search

[surreal creek]

eh, Claude isn’t very agreeable and it’s rocketing up the leaderboard