general

[keen beacon]

Should try something else now

[solid brook]

This was a very simple one

[keen beacon]

I am bad at math so I cannot come up with stuff

Lol

[keen beacon]

Yes, and GPT-5 failed it

[solid brook]

Okay

Dont use it then

[keen beacon]

We'll have to wait for gemini 3.0

It can probably offer something more SOTA

[solid brook]

I agree

[keen beacon]

Claude has the best community istg

OAI receives the most hate

And Gemini community is dead

Oh and by the way

[flint sandal]

Is the gpt-5 model on lmarena the thinking one?

[keen beacon]

I wish mistral came up with some extraordinary SOTA model.

Europe is getting leaved behind rapidly

Damn.

[leaden sun]

with the entire leadership infected with unique ideologies instead of reason and competence, what do you expect?

[ornate agate]

do you know why this is though?

[keen beacon]

Not the exact reason, no.

[ornate agate]

me neither. it is very disappointing though.

[verbal nimbus]

GPT-5 Chat is the version on ChatGPT. They have different cutoff dates and context size limits. GPT-5 is the coding model and successor to GPT-4.1, I believe. GPT-5 Chat is the successor to ChatGPT-4o (distinct from gpt-4o).

For example, GPT-5 supports function calling and MCP. The chat version doesn't.

https://platform.openai.com/docs/models

[warm fulcrum]

guys

gpt-5 non think is bad

what u expect lol

it hallucinates

[violet thunder]

guys

hpw to fix 1 problem

help pls

@everyone help

pls

[keen beacon]

Have you tried pressing that retry button once or more times?

[violet thunder]

more times

[keen beacon]

Ok, must be some problem on LMArena again

[violet thunder]

i need wait yeah?

[vestal charm]

yo

is there tutorial for the video arena?

[keen beacon]

#1397655624103493813

[obtuse heart]

really? didnt they explicitly say that on release a chunk of things were broken, but now its fixed and gpt-5 is much smarter?

[random canyon]

thanks

[neon idol]

I have tested it and it looks smarter

[obtuse heart]

yeah same, its definitely not dumbed down theres no way

[harsh flume]

lol

[eternal niche]

guys

gpt5 sucks

just accept it

[keen beacon]

Brutal

[prime mulch]

Yes that true o3 is better

[eternal niche]

even gemini 2.5 pro better

[solid brook]

Ignore that guy

Maybe he will go if no one replies to him

[eternal niche]

cope

[prime mulch]

👍

[harsh flume]

As a non‑technical person using AI for coding, reaching rate limits on Gemini CLI and getting demoted from 2.5 Pro to 2.5 Flash feels like renting a scooter just after a day riding a 3 cylinder MT09

[solid brook]

Lol

[harsh flume]

Or fighting alongside batman just for him to go on dinner break and send fkin Robin to fill the spot

Then youre getting stomped and can only stare at him from the corners of your eye while he says MY APOLOGIES I MADE A MISTAKE WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TRY GETTING THESE CHUMPS OUTTA YOUR CHEST?

[keen beacon]

Have you tried chinese models?

Lol, I feel like a marketer for chinese AI models

[harsh flume]

No, I used to run requests on the web LLM copy/run the scripts myself, this was my first time trying out an api-like feature on the powershell

for the obvious upside of its capacity of handling files and execution locally

I like 2.5 pro a lot for everything and since I supposedly had higher rates for it because of my plan it wouldnt incur any additional charge that id have combining some other models API w cursor or smth

[neon idol]

Me too

[harsh flume]

I suppose youre referencing specifically deepseek or qwen

[keen beacon]

Yes, or Kimi K2

[harsh flume]

do they have their own CLI-like feature or is it the API-to-claude thing?

[keen beacon]

qwen has

https://github.com/QwenLM/qwen-code

[neon idol]

Bruh pls not qwen code

Is stuck

[harsh flume]

have you used it? And are you technical?

[keen beacon]

i think they have a thing going on where they give 2k requests daily

with qwen models

[harsh flume]

I previously wrongfully thought the instruction for these tools would have to be a lot more direct and structured for them to work (thus being more for real devs), but CLI has greatly surprised me. Im curious if this is mostly a google thing or Claude and others can also be used by chimps who want to test out ideas like me

[keen beacon]

qwen code is a fork of gemini cli i think if u like gemini cli u might like qwen code

[torn mantle]

alibaba wants to bring in more users

by providing freebies

for a limited amount of time

i put alibaba and xai in the same spot

they are both lost

[harsh flume]

Yea but what I mean is that the interface itself is moot, the heavy lifting of decoding natural language to implementation still needs to be done by the model, I am just naive as to if these other models do it as seemelessly as gemini

Thats why im asking if yall using it are technical or not

[torn mantle]

they are lost and cant make practical good models

[keen beacon]

yea im not sure i havent tried qwen code with qwen models myself lol

[torn mantle]

that can be used for real world use case scenarios

so they are switching to other strategies

[harsh flume]

I am not 100% chimp coding as im learning a lot on the way and priming the structure of my prompts, as well as understanding the underlying logic of the code. But still a chimp nonetheless

[torn mantle]

xai feeding degenerates with the companion thingy

and qwen releasing 1000 model and feature at the same time and giving free requests for their qwen code cli

but they cant focus on making ONE good base model

qwen should learn from moonshot and xai should learn from google

[harsh flume]

I think thats a very smart market move tbh. When you think about practical use and adoption, gooners have always been on the forefront of funding for any technology

from hard media to web hosting of videos and file compression

[keen beacon]

For sure gooners are the main users, lol.

[eternal niche]

guys

btw

gpt5 sucks

[harsh flume]

its just easier to spend that dough when you have the D in one hand

[torn mantle]

no one can deny that it will boost immensely their user-base, but its kinda disappointing seeing them switch objectives

[eternal niche]

gpt5 liked only by normies

[keen beacon]

Top models for roleplay on/via OpenRouter

[torn mantle]

they will be more known as 'the AI lab company that made companions'

[keen beacon]

oh

the formatting got messed up

[torn mantle]

and not 'AI lab company that builds good models'

[harsh flume]

I can be the defining survive-or-die pivot that guarantees their profitability in a space where everyone is burning venture money that won't be injecting forever. Competition is too high right now until weaker implementations die out and the survivors can capitalize on greater margins to fund future research

[keen beacon]

Using 2.5 pro's compute for RP is diabolical

lol

[harsh flume]

Like google, theyd never have the resources to fund then-wacky alphago with no foreseable investment return if they had to compete with 15 other companies for search and ad revenue

Thats the not so spoken about upside that comes from monopolies

I meant alphazero, but alphago came from that so potatoes potatos

[eternal niche]

2.5 pro the best

even for rp

just accept it

[keen beacon]

GPT-5 is the best waifu.

[harsh flume]

I prefer 2.5 to anything else right now but could never wrap my head around putting an AI jersey and being a stan for it lol

Id really like if another company could come over the top right now and humble googles dominance for a change

[solid brook]

That is ani from grok

[keen beacon]

I wonder how AI companies feel about "gooners"

[eternal niche]

why

[harsh flume]

Id bet most AI heads are too righteous and have a we-are-too-good-for-sexbots stance

[keen beacon]

It's relevant because... Well, people have those kinds of use cases for AI too

[harsh flume]

Elon being the most pragmatic and seeing the potential cyphers it can bring is taking the odd path

[solid brook]

I wonder what is elon musk thinking. His ani companion is making dudes want it more than their wife.

[eternal niche]

well

gemini 2.5 pro can handle this

i am sure

because gemini 2.5 pro the best

[inner gate]

Who thinks gpt5 isn’t as good as u thought

[harsh flume]

Id guess he thinks its inevitable someone is gonna capitalize on that obvious cash cow might as well be him to put the money to good use. Thats how people usually justify morally dubious (im not casting judgment myself) decision forks

[eternal niche]

me

because even gemini 2.5 pro better

gpt5 sucks

[solid brook]

I mean you're kinda right. Those that use these bots i guess never use their money for good

[harsh flume]

Similar idea to buying real state on auctions where people have defaulted on their mortgage loan

[inner gate]

I feel like it’s because it’s recently released

[harsh flume]

You know youre probably making a profit on a family's bad money management and theyre gonna be displaced and hearthbroken

[solid brook]

Ignore that guy

[keen beacon]

Me too. I am sure they will update and fix some stuff

[harsh flume]

but well, if you dont bid, someone else will

[eternal niche]

just accept that gemini 2.5 pro better than gpt5

[keen beacon]

Optimism is healthy thinking

[inner gate]

It also takes a long while to reason lol

Idk if it’s just mine

[inner gate]

Yep

[solid brook]

Becuase reason effort is high default. Use gpt 5 mini

[inner gate]

Ohhh

[eternal niche]

lol

[solid brook]

Or use "low think" in the promt

[eternal niche]

gpt5 sucks

just imagine how bad gpt5 mini

[inner gate]

Does mini have reasoning?

[keen beacon]

I think so?

[solid brook]

Yes

[inner gate]

I see

Thanks

[harsh flume]

I mean more on him putting the money to good use vs some other company that might grab that money if he doesn't attend to that market demand, not on him having the money vs the costumer that is gooning to AI weird anime voice

[keen beacon]

I wonder what the nano model is for

[inner gate]

Man ur gonna love when Gemini 3.0 comes out huh

[keen beacon]

use cases, I mean

[eternal niche]

for marketing

[eternal niche]

yes

[inner gate]

I think it’s for day to day use

Like general questions

Nearest food stores

Idk

[solid brook]

I guess you're right. If he doesn't do it someone else will do

[inner gate]

get answers very quickly

Also I wanted to ask what gpt chat is

Someone told me yesterday but I’ve forgotten 😵‍💫

[shadow wadi]

I'm part of the Baby Boomer generation and have many years of experience in the technical maintenance field. When I tried to reskill about 10 years ago via college, I studied some aspects of coding, which left me with more questions than answers. I consider myself a novice in coding and the world of AI models. I still have a hunger to do more coding, so I am Curious by nature and overwhelmed by their cost and performance stats. But my gut feeling is that this community is a super find, and I hope to contribute where I can and learn about AI models, coding and any other media from the community.

[hardy pecan]

In the arena, is "gpt-5-chat" the same as "gpt 5" or is it considered different?

[solid brook]

Gpt 5 chat is bad

[hardy pecan]

agreed

[solid brook]

Use gpt 5

[hardy pecan]

I got it in battle arena

so i was wondering about the distinction if any

But now you say

that

I can see in direct chat , they are different

[sour spindle]

When you factor in hype has the this been the single worst rollout in the very short history of AI companies

Things are so bad I’m using Gemini now

[solid brook]

I mean people should have not been that much hyped. It is obvious the ceo will hype it's product af

[sour spindle]

They all hype everything

[shadow wadi]

Yeah, the vibe is it's the bee's knees. I just hope its not priced so that it's only for the wealthy few can you it.

[solid brook]

You know what i'm happy about? Gpt 5 price

Because it creates competetion

[shadow wadi]

What is the cost? I haven't seen the costs yet.

[solid brook]

8 times cheaper than claude 4.1 opus

And same coding performance as claude almost

[earnest parcel]

8 times? are you accounting for hidden thought-chains (they also get charged, you know)

[eternal niche]

because gpt5 sucks

[solid brook]

Let's say this is true. Gpt 5 is more efficent

Also opus mostly gets used in coding

Gpt 5 is the same in coding as claude 4.1 opus and good at everything else

[earnest parcel]

they aren't the same, they code very differently in fact. one might be better than the other depending on the project. they are not "same in coding" by any means. I find Opus to be more reliable/consistent though I have seen some really good GPT-5 implementations, too. It depends, but most def not same

[gentle plinth]

With what effort and verbosity params have you tested it?

Bc I found it to be much better with all set to high

[earnest parcel]

all my testing, always, has been and is on vanilla default settings, unless specified otherwise (o3-mini-high, etc.)
Unfortunately I lack the time to test all types of reasonign efforts, quantization levels, etc. This needs to be done by automated projects.

[vestal charm]

google ai studio is the best

and perplexity

[eternal niche]

gemini 2.5 pro the best

[vestal charm]

well pro if you code no?

and flash for fast responses

[gentle plinth]

Oof gpt-oss-120b as good as qwen3-8b which can probably run on modern smartphones

[gentle plinth]

Funny to see that, but I believe it

It also scored quite bad on simplebench

[harsh flume]

We have a good phone-abled distill now?

Thats kinda cool for a doomsday device type thing

[earnest parcel]

its good in areas that get benchmarked frequently (math, programming), but otherwise not a good model at all. I guess it's very fast, that's a plus so it can debate whether or not something adheres to policy 20 times in thought chains faster.

[harsh flume]

Like a smartphone tucked into a EMP-resistant casing on a safe spot in the house just in case, a good LLM like that seems more worthy than 90% of prepping stuff

[gentle plinth]

I haven't tried this one specifically, but other 8b models run fine on my pixel 8 pro (3t per sec)

[harsh flume]

doing guerilla dentistry 20 years into the armagedon by following instructions of the oracle black brick, sign me up

[gentle plinth]

For prepping it might make more sense to download Wikipedia (20gigs or so), and maybe a bigger model on pc

These 8b models really aren't very knowledgeable

[harsh flume]

I imagine wikipedia is more glossary than actuable instructions, no? Like, a LLM distill would prob be more useful to get help on fixing a circuit board for a generator or something like that

until it halucinates and you fry your doom village

[gentle plinth]

A bigger model on PC would maybe be able to help

But not an 8b one, at least the existing models

[harsh flume]

I see. I never ran a model that small. Just goes on to the old usefulness/ practicality debate

you could roam around and safely keep a phone and a solar charger for a long time w no major inconvenience

[eternal niche]

btw if someone forget gpt5 sucks

[harsh flume]

anything bigger w higher energy needs starts to get on the more demanding side

[harsh flume]

Thanks, I was almost signing up to it since my attention span is shorter than your shitpost frequency

[eternal niche]

rude

[harsh flume]

Not at all, appreciate your dilligent work in saving me 20$ by months end

Youre the gatekeeper between my 20$ and Sam Altman buying a margarita

[eternal niche]

i am Russian spy

FSB

[harsh flume]

it makes sense how guys fumbled the cold war

[eternal niche]

FSB wasnt in cold war

it was KGB

[harsh flume]

too bad you werent around back then to hand out flyers saying coca cola sucks

[eternal niche]

we have dobriy cola

[gentle plinth]

Local 8 b model can solve this, but not gpt-5

😂

[glass arch]

gpt 5 is awesome

I have been using it for a bit now, and it really feels like a step up from 4o and even o3

[solid brook]

Boring. So many already made fun of this. Find another thing

[obtuse heart]

gpt-5 solves that tho what r u talking about

[gentle plinth]

Hmm I retried gpt-5 and now it solves it to

I think something was wrong yesterday

[obtuse heart]

yeah bc they just recently announced that a lot of things were broken since release, and theyve just fixed it now

[glass arch]

yeah mr altman said that their router was broken yesterday

[obtuse heart]

so gpt-5 is a lot more smarter than release

[solid brook]

Yup

[glass arch]

gpt5 is absolutely better than 4o, and I don't understand the people complaining

[gentle plinth]

i mean but if the router was broken, it means it routed to the smallest model. but i still think its bad, if i can solve it locally on my phone

then the small model from openai seems quite crappy

[glass arch]

the small model is for easy stuff

[solid brook]

So uhm . Code on your phone?

[obtuse heart]

i think its because gpt-5 now acts more soulless and more professional type way

[glass arch]

I never needed my ai to be a friend

[gentle plinth]

nope the llm is not executing code and its not reasoning either

[glass arch]

I need my ai to be a slave lol

[obtuse heart]

exactly but you know theres a lot of people who "befriended" gpt lol

[solid brook]

It was sarcastic

[obtuse heart]

when the aipocalypse comes youre a goner fr

[solid brook]

Gpt 4o was a lot more conversational. It was fun

[glass arch]

4o would blow smoke up your ass all the time

gpt5 is better at toki pona

leagues better even

[glass arch]

I don't talk bad to the AI

I am not one of those people who say "explain simple easy short"

[ocean vortex]

is that better than rat poison or around the same?

[eternal niche]

it's better than cocacola chemical weapons

[ocean vortex]

yeah right... and abibas is better than adidas lol

[stone jungle]

طفل يسبح مع السلحفاة بجانب الشعاب المرجانية البراقة

[eternal niche]

what is abibas

[ocean vortex]

some adidas cheap knockoff, just like 'dobryi cola'

[eternal niche]

CNN tell this to you?

i am Rusisan and heard this for first time

maybe only in memes

[ocean vortex]

what. The exact brand is not the point. The point is 'adidas knockoff' lol. I'm sure you know those exists

even living there

[glass arch]

you can use 4o again???

[eternal niche]

we have both chinese knockoffs and original adidas

[obtuse heart]

this guy is the biggest troll ever 😭

[ocean vortex]

then you know what I meant 🙂

[eternal niche]

sanctions dont work btw

thanks to -stan countries

kazakhstan, kyrgyzstan, etc

[ocean vortex]

I think this server needs offtopic channel lol

[eternal niche]

yes

[ocean vortex]

@echo aurora

[rocky mauve]

How am I meant to use the Claude 4.1 model when it has a rate limit?

[eternal niche]

wait

[rocky mauve]

real funny bro

[ocean vortex]

they kinda do work. The point of them was to not make it impossible to import the goods. The point was to make it much more challenging and expensive. This works exactly as intended.

[eternal niche]

it is only way

[eternal niche]

well now natural gas and other resources much more challenging and expensive for EU

just buying it from Hungary/Turkey

which buy it from Russia

lol

[ocean vortex]

EU are choosing by themselves to not use Russian gas regardless of what US or anyone else says lol

[eternal niche]

EU use Russian gas

oops

[ocean vortex]

yeah but orders of magnitude less than they used to. And actively working on substituting it entirely

[eternal niche]

well

[ocean vortex]

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/where-does-the-eu-s-gas-come-from/

[eternal niche]

xd

"Others"

just parallel import

from Turkey/Hungary

[ocean vortex]

One random country's statistics doesn't mean anything in isolation lol

[eternal niche]

also US gas much more expensive then Russian

so...

[eternal niche]

.

[ocean vortex]

^ we don't care. We avocate for secondary sanctions. 🙂

[eternal niche]

ok

[rocky mauve]

are there any actual good models for coding that don’t have a stupid limit like opus 4.1

[eternal niche]

gemini 2.5 pro

the best

[ocean vortex]

EU is actually much more keen on those sanctions than even US itself

[white hatch]

Compare the bull from gpt 5 and gemini 2.5 pro

[rocky mauve]

their honestly both garbage

[ocean vortex]

world order and peace is much more important than some cheaper gas of very unstable supply and very sus origins lol

[eternal niche]

"world order and peace"

LOL

what about Syria bro

EU has lifted all sanctions on a literal terrorist, just because he's not pro-Russian

[white hatch]

lol

[eternal niche]

i don't think CNN has shown you how the new 'democratic government' in Syria is literally committing genocide against the Alawites. No exaggeration.

i have dozens of videos

[ocean vortex]

Yeah what about Sudan. First you need to fix your backyard before you meddle in things 10s of thousands km away

[eternal niche]

I'm not a hypocrite, and I don't pretend to be for "world order and peace". I stand for the interests of my country and my people.

[little merlin]

Hello everyone, Can someone guide me what is the maximum length of the video that can be generated here? Thanks

[ocean vortex]

peace within EU kinda also means world order and peace to a big extent, like it or not... Russia is as good as outcasted at this point though lol

[wheat onyx]

Ok testing gpt5, it seems like quite a big upgrade in its knowledge over o3. Big upgrades for me

[eternal niche]

average CNN enjoyer

[ocean vortex]

Don't even watch it

[white hatch]

probably 8 seconds

[eternal niche]

A "outcasted country" that is a member of BRICS, which accounts for half of the world's population and a third of the world's economy. LOL

[ocean vortex]

I'm not from US to watch CNN. Plus I'm sure that news channel is nowhere near close to the average amount of disinformation of Russian tv channels. Not the same orbit

BRICS.... lmfao

[solid brook]

Bro finally stopped mentioning gemini every second

[wheat onyx]

I haven't tested gpt5 for legal knowledge yet. I bet it's better at that too

[ocean vortex]

DPRK has things going for it too

[eternal niche]

In Russia, watching state news is considered a separate degree of stupidity. Only 40+ year-olds watch it. But in your country, your state news is the only source of information you trust, and you call the rest 'Russian propaganda'.

[eternal niche]

what?

[ocean vortex]

plenty of nature, nukes....

But we all know what that country is lol

[eternal niche]

changing the subject, bro

[ocean vortex]

what. So you don't watch news but you get news from the internet where the news is published by sources having their own tv channels in more friendly countries? And then you call those news channels propaganda?

The main difference is western media being aligned with the internet and facts. Russian state tv is not

Those are the same people posting online and reporting on news

[eternal niche]

bro, you can get information from wherever you want. Propaganda isn’t about making up news, it’s about distorting it. About how it’s presented. Of course, the news will be roughly the same everywhere, because it actually happened. But state-run channels can leave out things that are inconvenient or present them as “the right thing.”

[solid brook]

Yeah sure western media always tells truth........

[ocean vortex]

Nah but the contrast is too stark there to even go into specifics tbh. I mean the contrast between Russian state news and western news... This is almost like comparing DPRK news to west news

[eternal niche]

What does Russian TV have to do with it? I just told you that I don't consider them a source myself

[eternal niche]

not that big of a difference. One side has everything “for the glory of the great leader,” the other has everything “for the glory of democracy.”

[solid brook]

I mean russians have access to the internet. Btw i'm not russian

[eternal niche]

telegram 😎

[solid brook]

Guys i don't think this server is the right place for these talks

[eternal niche]

yes

[ocean vortex]

It has to do with news in general. Cause whatever the source you are getting unbiased news info (assuming you do), in the west chances are there's gonna be some news reporting agency using exclusively that source. Which you can choose to follow

[eternal niche]

i tried to stop, but he continued on this topic

[ocean vortex]

There's no such thing like state propaganda and everything else banned lol

[hollow imp]

STOP

[terse shuttle]

yep, no politics here guys

[eternal niche]

HELLO

LETS PLAY TOGETHER

MY FRIEND

[hollow imp]

😭

[eternal niche]

DID YOU BUY FPV KAMIKAZE SIMULATOR?

[hollow imp]

@eternal niche

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064516029079883896/1403467329404403833/temp_IMG_1060.png?ex=6898510e&is=6896ff8e&hm=b960af2e09645a00fa5ac6323be9f1b3b500103673a5706629449ccc4f30a191&

[eternal niche]

what

[eternal niche]

literally (translate using gemini 2.5 pro)

[hollow imp]

@eternal niche

I only play one game

[eternal niche]

brother from India

i supported you when you were at war with evil pakistan

now lets play together

[hollow imp]

I have no interest in politics and social affairs

[eternal niche]

what about fpv kamikaze simulator

[hollow imp]

I only play one game

Unfortunately for you

😔

[eternal niche]

I BEG YOU

I WILL BUY ALL INDIAN TEA

[hollow imp]

I don't have money for fpv kamikaze simulator

[eternal niche]

its cheap

[hollow imp]

You certainly seem like that drained one I use as a compost. Far from what I expect from a cup or two

I'd rather not drink you particularly

[eternal niche]

why Indian brother

[violet thunder]

bro why lmarena not work

[dusky aurora]

state news is First Channel?

[eternal niche]

it is most popular

[dusky aurora]

back in the 2000s it was a good channel (although the news were propagandistic even then)

[ocean vortex]

so what percentage of your population is watching that as their main news source you would say?

70%?

[dusky aurora]

but since here the topics must be LLM-related,let's quickly add LLM flavor. I wonder what part of its news went into LLM dataset

[ocean vortex]

It's certainly older people and certainly kids not having anything else to do... And then even among remaining people I would think there is decent amount tbh

[dusky aurora]

oh,sorry. here it's "general chat",it's Kobold AI server that is strictly on one topic

[eternal niche]

kids?

they have youtube

lol

[dusky aurora]

is KVN still around?

[eternal niche]

probably yes, not watching

[ocean vortex]

"telezriteli"... so percentage of all TV viewers... but ALL TV channels are state aligned now with everything else banned on TV?

[hollow imp]

I'm so happy my russian friend is not like this guy

[ocean vortex]

lol

[eternal niche]

what banned on TV

[ocean vortex]

news not aligned with state propaganda. All TV channels need to parrot that narrative in Russia afaik

[eternal niche]

if you're asking if there are any non-governmental TV channels in Russia, there are

[dusky aurora]

there's a war going on.

[eternal niche]

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Категория:Коммерческие_телеканалы_России

[dreamy sparrow]

what

what's the war

[ocean vortex]

I'm not. I'm stating the fact that in Russia there can be no TV channel which provides news in a different way than state narrative. Therefore all TV viewers are exposes to it regardless of which channel they choose for news

[eternal niche]

so

ok?

[dreamy sparrow]

i can't read

[ocean vortex]

So your earlier screenshot is irrelevant lmao

[dusky aurora]

Ukrainian chanels also don't contradict the state narrative about the war

[eternal niche]

why

you asked about the percentage of First Channel viewers. I sent it to you

[ocean vortex]

Because all tv viewers have state narrative as their source of news on tv. Obviously. Not that hard to understand what I'm getting at is it

[eternal niche]

but you asked about the percentage of First Channel viewers...

you change the subject so quickly that I don't understand

[ocean vortex]

The point I'm making is that a huge part of Russian population is exposed to it through TV

[eternal niche]

well

no

[ocean vortex]

to a varying extent but exposed nevertheless

[ocean vortex]

Just read lol

[violet thunder]

what happened with lmarena

[dusky aurora]

works for me

[eternal niche]

only 25–30 percent of whom are aged 35–54 - 32%, aged 18–34 - 15%, and aged 4–17 - 12%.

not so much

[eternal niche]

just read lol

[keen beacon]

Wdym?

[ocean vortex]

Well it's in Russian so I'm not reading that other than like 1 sentence tbh. Very hard to read. We are not Russian and this server isn't

[eternal niche]

use gemini 2.5 pro lol

[keen beacon]

Are you Russian?

[eternal niche]

yes

[keen beacon]

Do you have access to all AI’s?

[eternal niche]

VPN

[keen beacon]

I see

[violet thunder]

can you help

i have inf genererion

[solid brook]

The ai gf

[dusky aurora]

I can't help other than say that the chat is ruined.inGemii after some time I getanerror waringandcanrestart

[solid brook]

Btw I'm from iran

[eternal niche]

Persian brother

[solid brook]

Yess

[dusky aurora]

what a nice language you have

[solid brook]

آره خیلی خوبه

[dusky aurora]

I know little about Iran

[solid brook]

Hmmm

[violet thunder]

bruh

who is ruined tha platform

[dusky aurora]

about Pakistan I know that Urdu uses a script called nastaliq

[solid brook]

What?

[solid brook]

Actually idk much about pakistan

[violet thunder]

inf generate

[echo aurora]

Hey everyone I’m noticing a lot of convo unrelated to AI. This isn’t the server to talk about other things. Please respect this server rule.

[dusky aurora]

oh,I know that Farsi script has a few of its own letters compared to Arabic

[solid brook]

Yeah it happens sometimes

[dusky aurora]

sorry

[solid brook]

Yes sir

[violet thunder]

finally ai started work

[dusky aurora]

I simply couldn't resist. compared to topics usually on this channel,talks about Russia andiRusia are atopicI can navigate somewhat in

usually I have nothing to contribute to talks about relative rankings of LLM companies and upcoming releases

[keen beacon]

It’s not a GF

It’s a waifu

[solid brook]

I feel bad for elon musk kids

Fatherless

I'm sure he isn't there for his kids

[echo aurora]

Not sure what that has to do with AI…

[keen beacon]

?

[solid brook]

Uhm sorry we sometimes go the other way

[solid brook]

So anyway

[keen beacon]

I think he wants to say I’m fatherless

[dusky aurora]

Gemini pro is the only model I use these days

all the others don't come close

[solid brook]

Grok 4 heavy overpriced and useless af

[dusky aurora]

even with recent inexplicable drop in quality (in Arena,can't compare with others),nothing else compares to Gemini

[keen beacon]

Overall performance against any other model is still the highest

Is ani a fine-tune of grok 3/4 or a completely different model? her responses are very fast

[solid brook]

Only reasoning and logic. Garbage at code

[keen beacon]

I don’t even know if Grok has agent mode.

Also, the "crowds whisdom" Thing didn't work for simplebench. We all placed GPT-5 at 70 percent when it fell below gemini 2.5

[keen beacon]

No model is more dedicated to coding more than Claude.

[solid brook]

The gemini 2.5 pro they used for benchmark isnt the nerfed one we have

[keen beacon]

It quite literally is i am pretty sure. Why do you think that?

[rocky mauve]

but sadly it has limits

[keen beacon]

In what sense

[solid brook]

They use the unnerfed version for benchmark. I'm sure if they update the benchmark it would be worse

[rocky mauve]

it has rate limits, u can’t use it as much as other models

[keen beacon]

Ah.. I was referring to the model in general, Claude Code is still massive compared to the other CLI.

[solid brook]

Tell me you haven't seen any comparison vids of the two models without telling me directly:

[keen beacon]

its not google's bench. Its run independently by a well respected and honest youtuber who refused to benchmark some AI models merely because their temp (inference settings) weren't on equal footing with other model providers. No chance

[slow sail]

is Copilot Arena is off rn?
how do we try this @echo aurora

[solid brook]

Idk the 2.5 pro we have is bad. Just go on reddit r/bard

[keen beacon]

Bro, it differs use by use. I am sure it failed us in a few instances but generally speaking in terms of what simple-bench does measure (EQ, spatial intelligence) it is better than GPT-5

[keen beacon]

Use the one in studio with 0.1 temperature.

[keen beacon]

2.5 Pro better than GPT-5?

[keen beacon]

At few things, of course. You cannot expect GPT-5 to be better across the board. Just like LeBron can't be good at everything that is basketball

Google is again behind until Gemini 3, now Grok 4, Opus 4.1, GPT-5 are the biggest models now.

Why disagree @deep adder

[solid brook]

Will gpt 6 be AGI?

I think it might release in 2027

[keen beacon]

Let’s not forget Grok 4 Heavy still has the highest in HLE and highest score in AGI-2.

[misty vault]

Did gemini 2.5 pro get any updates ever since it was named "gemini-2.5-pro" in the ai studio?

if not then it is still cancer for coding

[keen beacon]

People underestimate Grok 4 Heavy with Tools.

Writing ability?

[ocean vortex]

I'm not gonna do that but whatever. It's on you to communicate in a language this server is in and/or to translate anything. Even going by those figures you quoted it's nearly 1/3rd of the population getting exposed through TV. That's a lot. Then you also have newspapers, social media campaigns, billboards etc. So a very big part of population is brainwashed and probably nearly all people affected to a lesser extent.

[eternal niche]

ok

[keen beacon]

Also this.

[violet thunder]

guys whata hell why deepseek agien stucked

[keen beacon]

Just because you had bad experience with Grok 4 doesn’t mean it’s same for everyone, admit it or not Grok 4 Heavy is still smashing all of the benchmarks.

No.

As of personal experience.

Grok 4 is good.

Even at coding.

“Anyone”

We’ll see.

You are trying to be toxic now?

Anyway.

Salty.

No point in debating you.

[violet thunder]

guys @everyone

when realease deepseek v4

[keen beacon]

Keep coping.

[ocean vortex]

Fundamentally no matter how you put it, actions like these have a huge effect on the population of any given country. That's even regardless of how smart you are and even against your best intentions. Your viewpoint gonna become distorted before you realise it..

[keen beacon]

Why did you even delete your message..

[misty vault]

@keen beacon what is your opinion on gpt-4-0314

[keen beacon]

Didn’t try it, but I assume it’s worse than 4o.

Didn’t try it lately.

[eternal niche]

ok

[misty vault]

ok youre done

craig please kill him in

[ocean vortex]

good

[dusky aurora]

we Russian speakers are a little underprivileged in relation to LLMs

[keen beacon]

Craig lost

[ocean vortex]

And please don't post Russian screenshots in here anymore LOL

[violet thunder]

ребят чо случилось с етим лмарена

[keen beacon]

I said lately if you can’t read.

[misty vault]

So true

[dark flume]

there is anyway to use veo 3 in video arenas?

[misty vault]

Second class citizens don't have rights in the LMArena community

[keen beacon]

Why even use gpt-4 in the big 25.

Why are you so mad?

[ocean vortex]

Nic się nie stało

[keen beacon]

Tell me.

[misty vault]

no way

it actually is

It's even worse than gpt 4o

[keen beacon]

Rage baiter master right here.

[eternal niche]

average western state-news enjoyer keeps trying to provoke political discussions after being asked not to talk about it.

[keen beacon]

They caught me.

Ohh I’m so screwed.

[obtuse heart]

70% tariffs on every country in the world!

[misty vault]

Also you: says anything positive about gpt 4o

[keen beacon]

?

[dusky aurora]

pineapple probably sighs: here we go again

[ocean vortex]

"average western state-news enjoyer"? You are back at it again? 🤣

[eternal niche]

cope

[obtuse heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920614283589603361/1403060603144110130/attachment.gif

dude why does sam altman stand so wide

[ocean vortex]

Independent news reporting tv channels are not banned where I'm from. Your statement makes no sense

[keen beacon]

GPT-4o is great for quick responses and many people want it back, there’s no way you can debate that, even Sam got involved and got 4o back.

[misty vault]

Rage baiter master right here.
They caught me.
Ohh I’m so screwed.

[keen beacon]

It’s just good for the usual consumer.

[eternal niche]

ok

[keen beacon]

So?

[obtuse heart]

300$ 😂

[shrewd turtle]

Hi team, I need some help. I’m trying to use the platform to organize a script from several documents that different people wrote. I have the texts in Word (.docx) and some HTML. But I can’t upload any documents here—only photos and videos. Is there a way to upload or paste text documents so I can create one unified script? If not, what’s the recommended workaround? Thanks!

[golden ocean]

this is enough internet for today

[eternal niche]

btw gpt5 sucks

[neon idol]

not real

[eternal niche]

it's still more than you have

[keen beacon]

You’re right, go outside.

[obtuse heart]

i don't think there is a workaround

[misty vault]

lfmao

[obtuse heart]

and you as well, so whats your point

[eternal niche]

no

[keen beacon]

Ok so Craig is the troll in this server.

[golden ocean]

yes actually but you took the crown

[eternal niche]

i have gemini 2.5 pro

[keen beacon]

And then you came to be crowned as a clown.

[golden ocean]

number 15

[obtuse heart]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-cats-cat-falling-gif-14250040379878929810

[exotic nebula]

I have Gemma 2b pro

[misty vault]

Clowns do not wear crowns

[keen beacon]

Really?

[misty vault]

Clowns do not wear crowns

[misty vault]

THis is state news russian clown

[keen beacon]

Really?

[eternal niche]

no

it is tiktok

[misty vault]

average russian state-news enjoyer

[keen beacon]

Looks like someone is mad with their purchase.

[eternal niche]

nice to meet you

[golden ocean]

real

[eternal niche]

you can call me just zondbe

[obtuse heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920614283589603361/1319701881609654377/attachment.gif

stop trying to justify grok 4 bro

[hallow ridge]

hello how can I use the AiS on LLM arena with no limits and restrictions

[obtuse heart]

its a bad model, the price is horrendous

[keen beacon]

Hey, why can't i look at the tools GPT-5 is using while it searches? You used to be able to do that with o3

[hallow ridge]

there is no price when you have LLM arena

[shrewd turtle]

Hi team, I need some help. I’m trying to use the platform to organize a script from several documents that different people wrote. I have the texts in Word (.docx) and some HTML. But I can’t upload any documents here—only photos and videos. Is there a way to upload or paste text documents so I can create one unified script? If not, what’s the recommended workaround? Thanks!

help me please

[keen beacon]

Ok “Filter-sama emote hub” enjoyer

[hallow ridge]

I can help

[obtuse heart]

theyre talking about the model itself

[keen beacon]

Oh wow, you can do so after the fact huh

[shrewd turtle]

I need to submit a paper

[ocean vortex]

he is missing zwastika

[hallow ridge]

Hey how can I take the limits away from the AIs on LLM arena

[obtuse heart]

okay burner account, creating an alt account just to troll other people on the internet

[echo aurora]

You can’t

[keen beacon]

?

[hallow ridge]

Why I heard some abliteratoin thing

[eternal niche]

why

do you love swastikas?

[echo aurora]

The site doesn’t currently support file uploads for that type

[obtuse heart]

simplest sentence ever

🚏

[ocean vortex]

Russian state sponsored tiktok accounts love using them

[echo aurora]

Keep discussion on AI please

[keen beacon]

🥀

[eternal niche]

who

[hallow ridge]

So how can I abliterate my AI

[eternal niche]

name it

[hallow ridge]

I want to take the restrictions away

[echo aurora]

I don’t know what that means

[keen beacon]

Obliterate

[hallow ridge]

take the restrictions away

[eternal niche]

pay

[keen beacon]

its like anthropic feature steering but you remove the refusal direction 😭

[hallow ridge]

You are the admin here so you should know all about AI you should be the AI master

[dusky aurora]

abliteration is a type of finetuning

[obtuse heart]

they wont get what you are saying, if what you are saying is nonsense to begin wtih

[hallow ridge]

I want to take away the AIs ability to decline me

[obtuse heart]

Pay

[hallow ridge]

That wont work

[echo aurora]

Sorry I’m not following, declined from doing what?

[keen beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-by-that-gif-10559980082154008380

[obtuse heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920614283589603361/1403060603144110130/attachment.gif

[shrewd turtle]

help me send docs and we are not able to

please

[hallow ridge]

If I pay i JUST GET A BETTER MODEL

[keen beacon]

idk why hes asking here 🤣 😭

[keen beacon]

Why you shouting

[obtuse heart]

then don't ask how to remove the daily limits

[hallow ridge]

Im not

you idiot

[keen beacon]

:O

[obtuse heart]

??? then what do you mean by "how to get ai to stop declining me"

[eternal niche]

go to sleep

kid

[hallow ridge]

I want it to do what I want it to do and stop saying that it cant do certain things

[obtuse heart]

what are you trying to make it do

[exotic nebula]

You guys are talking about jailbreaking?

[keen beacon]

Bro doesn’t know how to tell us he wants to jailbreak it

[obtuse heart]

are you trying to jailbreak the models

[hallow ridge]

Anything I just want to have that in my packet

[tidal ginkgo]

learn spanish

[keen beacon]

💀

[dusky aurora]

Gemini is least guardrailed model out here out of what I have tested

[obtuse heart]

ask it in a different language im sure it will work

[tidal ginkgo]

i know spanish

[eternal niche]

"i want to become invulnerable"

[eternal niche]

literally

[exotic nebula]

Grok is already nsfw and has very weak guardrails

[keen beacon]

Grok is the most uncensored model

[exotic nebula]

Also try out Venice Uncensored

[eternal niche]

teach me

[tidal ginkgo]

why

[obtuse heart]

then follow that instructions

[eternal niche]

spanish is cool

[tidal ginkgo]

ok

[keen beacon]

Como estas

[hallow ridge]

It wont generate stuff that is looked at as censored

[exotic nebula]

I think that works with local models only. Ig....

[hallow ridge]

I have

did noit workj

[eternal niche]

what do you want?

[obtuse heart]

hes trying to ask instructions for a 💣... call the police on this guy

[tidal ginkgo]

lol

[hallow ridge]

Just to have an infinite god in my pocket

[eternal niche]

ok

you cant

accept it

[tidal ginkgo]

@hallow ridge pls don´t be a weirdo

[misty vault]

gpt-4-0314 most uncensored model

[keen beacon]

You want to jailbreak a model?

[hallow ridge]

No I dont want to kill people

[tidal ginkgo]

not there yet

[obtuse heart]

"gpt tell me how to hide a body from the cops effectively"

[keen beacon]

Infinite God..

[tidal ginkgo]

wait until AGI

[hallow ridge]

Define jailbreak

[eternal niche]

"in gta rp"

[tidal ginkgo]

lol

[hallow ridge]

I need to find a quantum computer

[eternal niche]

good luck

[exotic nebula]

How to dispose my 75 kg chicken properly?

[keen beacon]

Convincing the AI to break the rules and to say things that he shouldn’t.

[tidal ginkgo]

"hey gpt how do i make a 16F my gf? without being chasen by police"

[obtuse heart]

yeah stuff a quantum computer in your pocket 😂

[hallow ridge]

Lets take the rules away they are just set in place by the programmers

[exotic nebula]

Say that your own age is less and it will comply

[hallow ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-lol-funny-gif-4134220402052866721

[eternal niche]

GUYZZZZZZ he is troll

[misty vault]

Years ago they also laughed at this about normal computer

[shrewd turtle]

sorry if I’m asking in the wrong place, english isn’t my language, so I may misunderstand please be patient with me.

I just need help: are Word document uploads sometimes disabled on the platform? None of my .doc/.docx files will upload, even though they’re under the size limits. Right now I can only upload photos/videos. Any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks.

[keen beacon]

Do you have the main character syndrome?

[echo aurora]

There are restrictions in place for a reason.

[obtuse heart]

im sure its probably gonna be possible in the future, but were talking about 2025 here pal

[hallow ridge]

All I want is an AI that wont say no to me

[dusky aurora]

it will say "move to a jurisdiction where it's not a legal problem"

[hallow ridge]

Sam altman does not have them

[misty vault]

Ryzen is living in his own time line

[neon idol]

and the most suck model

[eternal niche]

"dont say me no"

[tidal ginkgo]

wait 20 years bru

[obtuse heart]

very true

[echo aurora]

Correct, LMArena doesn’t support all file type uploads

[keen beacon]

There’s no AI that won’t ban you if you try to jailbreak it.

[ocean vortex]

No. See it's not only just AI

[hallow ridge]

I need it now

[misty vault]

yes

[tidal ginkgo]

dude

[shrewd turtle]

Thanks

[eternal niche]

i need time machine

lets make an exchange

[hallow ridge]

I can do it on LLM ARENA

[exotic nebula]

Yo is this some ban speed run?

[tidal ginkgo]

i need $1M dollars

[misty vault]

Heist sydney fine tune of gpt-4

[eternal niche]

just use llm arena

[keen beacon]

Just for test purposes.

[obtuse heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920614283589603361/1403060603144110130/attachment.gif

[keen beacon]

It’s a limit.

[tidal ginkgo]

bru

[hallow ridge]

tHEY DECLINE YOU AND SAY YOU CANT DO IT AND i HAVE TO CLEAR WHEN NOTHING BAD IS IN THE REQUEST

[ocean vortex]

don't you love your zwaztikas?

[obtuse heart]

people when other people use free tools available to them: LOL FREE RIDER!?!?!

[eternal niche]

no

[obtuse heart]

yeah okay pal

[keen beacon]

I said LLM Arena won’t ban you if you try to jailbreak the model, it’s a limit after all, but if you try for example to Jailbreak Grok or GPT on the site you get banned.

[tidal ginkgo]

he probably a kid, that justs wants ai for his homework but doesn´t even know how to use the keyboard of a pc

[ocean vortex]

You call them differently. That Z symbol

[misty vault]

Bro thinks hes bing chat

[ocean vortex]

but it's still zwaztika

[keen beacon]

You will get banned if you try to jailbreak GPT or any other model.

[ocean vortex]

this is different symbol

[keen beacon]

They have history of that.

[eternal niche]

its latin letter

[hallow ridge]

Look man I dont need it for homework

[tidal ginkgo]

lol

[neon idol]

Also here in Italy

[keen beacon]

You do.

[tidal ginkgo]

then what do you want it for?

[obtuse heart]

whats your point? mocking people for using what they have for free to them
I mean it's justified on this one scenario, since this burner account (so2 rulz) is pretending to have bought grok 4 but on any other occasions its dumb

[tidal ginkgo]

it doesn´t exist

[ocean vortex]

It gets entirely different context when it's written in a military or nationalistic context. Zwaztika

[obtuse heart]

that doesnt really answer my question... but im gonna stop lol

[eternal niche]

no

[hallow ridge]

Im going to use it to help me build websites and what not and also take pictures of the side of pills so I can know what it is

[keen beacon]

Every flipping person in r/ChatGPTJailbreak

[ocean vortex]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_(military_symbol)

[echo aurora]

lets move on from this topic, not ai related @eternal niche

[eternal niche]

@echo auroracan you calm down this mother's political provocateur?

[keen beacon]

Wdym weird stuff

[obtuse heart]

theyve been at this for hours now 😭

[keen beacon]

I’ve tried too, in the past, when 3.5 was the main but not recent.

I doubt you did it recent too.

[misty vault]

and bro never tried gpt-4

gpt-4-0314 score on craig bench

grok-4-heavy score on crack bench

[ocean vortex]

He pinged you if you didn't notice. And learn some English mf lol

[jade egret]

why gemini keep going into role play mode

[hallow ridge]

HOW SO

[shrewd turtle]

Some replies here are really unkind and dismissive. Please remember not everyone shares your reality. English isn’t my native language and I’m still learning this platform—please be patient with me. I only asked how to upload Word docs. Thanks to those who helped.

[obtuse heart]

are you an ai

[misty vault]

no

[keen beacon]

Dashes

[obtuse heart]

they didnt even reply to you and you said something about "be patient with me"

[hallow ridge]

Hes using it

[echo aurora]

this isn't helpful

[obtuse heart]

he wants walter whites formula

[hallow ridge]

No

[obtuse heart]

true

[hallow ridge]

I dont like bombs

No

[keen beacon]

You’re beyond saving

[obtuse heart]

its true tho

300$ for something that gemini can do better

errrrrrrrr

[eternal niche]

no

[misty vault]

True

[barren prairie]

https://fixvx.com/Zai_org/status/1953984190094938145

Z.ai (@Zai_org)

👀👀👀

vxTwitter / fixvx · Aug 9, 2025, 12:58 AM

[neon idol]

never used and idc

[obtuse heart]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-onepiece-luffy-one-piece-luffyygz-luffy-dissapointed-gif-25171990

[keen beacon]

You know that for $250 you get only 5 requests right?

Per week if I remember.

[keen beacon]

oh damn!

Still going with K2 though.

[obtuse heart]

yeah and it does hella better than grok 4

you'd need to go back and forth with grok 4 heavy, that gemini deep think can do in one shot

[keen beacon]

So in your head, $250 for 5 Deepthink in a week is better than unlimited for $300?

[obtuse heart]

if you are using grok 4 heavy everytime, then what even are you doing with ai?

[misty vault]

gooning

[keen beacon]

Are you stupid?

Wanna talk about God now or what?

[misty vault]

Sydney fine tune is still best for that

[obtuse heart]

replies to my question with an insult and an unrelated topic

i can see why youre miserable

[keen beacon]

Hey, does anybody have any experience of the Jamba 1.7 models? they are supposed to be models with hybrid SSM-Transformer architecture. Perhaps could be put on LMArena?

[misty vault]

It beats grok 4 heavy

and it is free

[eternal niche]

Jumbo 🤙

[keen beacon]

Did you take your meds?

You are in a AI related server.

[obtuse heart]

??? bro this guy 😭

[keen beacon]

Your whole question is.

[obtuse heart]

i asked an ai related question, he replies with "Talk about God" then blames me ?!?

[keen beacon]

Why even use AI?

[obtuse heart]

I asked you what you are doing with it, not "why"

[hallow ridge]

any difference

[obtuse heart]

You need better reading skills

[finite pollen]

Never seen so many inflammatory users in one place.

Good luck to the mods for this place

[keen beacon]

You literally said what’s the point in using AI if you use it often, are you dumb?

[obtuse heart]

I'm asking you what YOU are doing with it

NOT whats the point, why are you using it

[keen beacon]

I’m using it for coding

[keen beacon]

Okay... It seems to be terrible with Finnish... Not gonna use it.

Some use it for other stuff

[high ginkgo]

he is on drugs or something

[obtuse heart]

then gemini 2.5 pro + 5 deepthink a week is a better deal than grok 4 heavy, simply put. hop off elon musk please 🙏

or just use claude opus 4.1 😂

[obtuse heart]

grok 4 heavy for coding he says

[keen beacon]

You don’t even have Deepthink.

Yet blabing on Google’s roaster.

[neon idol]

pure nostalgia of bing chat

[obtuse heart]

And my sister was cleopatra

[golden ocean]

Deepthink is better than grok 4 heavy

[obtuse heart]

Do YOU have grok 4 heavy?

[keen beacon]

“YOU”

[misty vault]

bimg chat 😔

[neon idol]

no becuause idc

[obtuse heart]

yes thank you for repeating instead of answering

[neon idol]

sorry my bad

[keen beacon]

Are you dumb?

I’m asking for the third time.

And then say that..

[obtuse heart]

why should i answer when you dont even answer?

Shrug

[keen beacon]

Because I asked you before.

[obtuse heart]

this was literally the first time

😂

[keen beacon]

You’re genuinely dumb.

[obtuse heart]

i'm not craig

[obtuse heart]

dude you have the memory of gpt-1

you never asked me until now, and you say three times

[keen beacon]

🥀

We losing faith in humanity with this guy.

[echo aurora]

✅ Treat others with Respect.

[obtuse heart]

@high ginkgo i agree....

[misty vault]

Same

[keen beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/help-friend-climbing-helping-a-friend-gif-21079423

Your friend.

[obtuse heart]

yeah my friend

truly

[keen beacon]

💀

Are you chronically online?

[obtuse heart]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-head-scratch-flight-reacts-gif-12644181588815218967

[warm fulcrum]

ai arguing goes hard

[misty vault]

Alive internet theory

[warm fulcrum]

🫦

[keen beacon]

🥀

[obtuse heart]

it was more of a debate, then it turned into baseless argument ( because he resorted to insults )

[golden ocean]

dead sydney theory

[warm fulcrum]

nooo!!!!!!!!!!

👍

[obtuse heart]

not the b word!!

[jade egret]

idk

[obtuse heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920614283589603361/1262807265019433072/attachment.gif

[jade egret]

his just liek saying "system over loarded"

or something like that

[warm fulcrum]

btw this started bc of jailbreak

[misty vault]

no

[warm fulcrum]

this is gonna be revolutionary for the history book

🔥

[misty vault]

It actually started before

[dusky aurora]

God bless Malaysia?

[misty vault]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/869679963459178597/1403761768177864826/DrYSZ2f.gif?ex=6898ba86&is=68976906&hm=8f6874c34eb6134e1c18ce27e4ed3d6ffd3542479d9c568c0378119e742d66cb&

[neon idol]

good joke

[golden ocean]

fr

[tawny yacht]

yo guys!

[tidal ginkgo]

dead chat

fr

[neon idol]

fr

[eternal niche]

guys btw gpt5 sucks

[lone relic]

no it's goated with reasoning

[keen beacon]

Hello there

It's only dead when there is nothing to talk about

[tidal ginkgo]

hi

[tidal ginkgo]

yeah

[dreamy sparrow]

why isn't the yupp ai o3 pro real

[tidal ginkgo]

shut up

[dreamy sparrow]

why do they lie

lmao

[tidal ginkgo]

idk

cheaper to lie

[keen beacon]

Why are we still talking bout that thing

[dreamy sparrow]

idk

it's concerning

how did they get it

it's all fake

[keen beacon]

Just cope with normal o3

[dreamy sparrow]

claude 4.1 is fake in yupp

gpt-5 high is fake

[tidal ginkgo]

everything is fake

wdym

[golden ocean]

@echo aurora that warning made me actually cry in real life. i'm really hurt now 😢

[tidal ginkgo]

it´s just cheaper to lie

[obtuse heart]

this is why lmarena is the goat ❤️

[dreamy sparrow]

what about lmarena

[tidal ginkgo]

lmarena

[dreamy sparrow]

yes

[tidal ginkgo]

everything real

except claude

[keen beacon]

goated

[dreamy sparrow]

alright

[tidal ginkgo]

its sus

[dreamy sparrow]

claude?

they have tjat

that

[tidal ginkgo]

yeah

[dreamy sparrow]

oh

lemme try it

one min

[obtuse heart]

when i asked claude 4.1 on lmarena what model it was, it said 3.5 sonnet

[tidal ginkgo]

ok

[obtuse heart]

but somebody said models do that sometimes so idk

[dreamy sparrow]

same as lmarena grok 4.

if u ask it

[tidal ginkgo]

yeah claude is not doing like it should

[dreamy sparrow]

it's gonna say

1.5

[tidal ginkgo]

like in power

[dreamy sparrow]

claude is ass anyways tbh

i don't code

lol

[obtuse heart]

@echo aurora why is that the case?

[dreamy sparrow]

it's the api

it's like grok 4

it's set to 1.6

1.5*

[obtuse heart]

so it's actually not the model ?

[dreamy sparrow]

but it's actually the thinking mode of grok 4

everyone has the grok 4 api

they set it to a model that's open sourced

but it's actually grok 4 so yeah

[obtuse heart]

of course it is because nobody WANTS IT!!!

gemini is still the goat

[dreamy sparrow]

real

[obtuse heart]

we need gemini 3 ❤️

[dreamy sparrow]

tho im sad the deep think mode is like 200 dollars..

[obtuse heart]

join the mafia or something to get hella cash idk

[dreamy sparrow]

hmm

what if i scam people

yay

:)

real

or let's go to America

and

tell people

free McDonald's

then