general

[keen beacon]

Google will not (likely) launch their 3rd generation yet

[wheat onyx]

Either give me other comparison numbers to use, or accept the ones I have

[keen beacon]

estimations project decemeber for gemini 3

[wheat onyx]

We dont know the paid users of any of them

[keen beacon]

We do for OpenAI

[wheat onyx]

Give me Anthropics numbers and Google's

[keen beacon]

Why?

Given prior releases that is the predicted date

Counter?

[fleet lintel]

earlier or later ?

[wheat onyx]

Sorry, I use the numbers published, not vibes

[keen beacon]

wen?

[fleet lintel]

ohk. that makes sense

[keen beacon]

Makes sense.

We should get a Gemma model before though

[wheat onyx]

@deep adder I'm waiting

[fleet lintel]

no way.. really? that seems too fast

[keen beacon]

Competition is fierce

[wheat onyx]

I did, you said "nah" and refused to give any alternatives

[fleet lintel]

are they not planning to release 2.5-002 like they did with 1.5 ?

[keen beacon]

Another version of their 2.5 series?

No.

"Hero run" next

Demis said so on lex's podcast

New base modle

*model

Roadmap?

Do you work there?

[wheat onyx]

People expect within a month or so

but who knows

[keen beacon]

I find it hard to believe that.

[stray aspen]

are we getting gpt 5 tomorrow

[keen beacon]

Lets see if we get a Gemma model this week or not

[wheat onyx]

#general message

Why people think it's coming very soon

[keen beacon]

Base model training runs take a while to get through post-training and saftey testing.

Assuming they started it a few months back, it will take a while.

[wheat onyx]

believe so

[keen beacon]

Oh, GPT-5 will be strong

[fleet lintel]

gpt-5 has to be super strong

[keen beacon]

I just hope Gemini 3 has native tool ussage

[torn bison]

GPT5 isn't great for education, I feel like it's not very good at explaining things, just like o3

[keen beacon]

For search functionalties and calculations

[wheat onyx]

https://t.co/K6g1I9nsWI
https://t.co/XYG52QQYxa
https://t.co/kzLBtndx3C

[wheat onyx]

is the new education mode good? Havent tried it

[torn bison]

Gemini having absorbed LearnLM, performs very well in this regard

[keen beacon]

Did you guys read the learn LLM paper? amazing arena they created

[rough condor]

Anyone else videos not getting audio?

[keen beacon]

What do you mean?

[torn bison]

I haven't tried it either. I tried to get GPT5 (Summit) to explain a few concepts

[wheat onyx]

nope link it? I'll read later

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-bart-vibe-groove-dance-gif-15287212887189905850

[keen beacon]

When?

[torn bison]

will it have improvements in conversation? like, improvements in tool calling won't increase the arena score

[jade egret]

genie 3 is good?

[keen beacon]

Will it perform good on searching? Like o3 does? (and now grok 4 recently)

[wheat onyx]

you say things as if it's a fact.

Yes, if GPT-5 is so strong that Gemini 3 looks weak, they'll probably delay X amount.

"I think they will delay 2 months" is so weird to say

[fleet lintel]

they should launch it before gpt-5 .. which wont happen but otherwise another 2.5 launch would be super awkward because it wont perform better than gpt-5

[wheat onyx]

they could do something like Anthropic. 4.1 release now, state big upgrades coming in ~month

[torn bison]

looks like the arena #1 for August is going to GPT5

[keen beacon]

RL on tool ussage is quite hard to figure out. Either it gets too domain specific or can't do long horizons. Generalization is a big issue

[fleet lintel]

makes sense .. I think they have to do something like that.

[fleet lintel]

100%.. easy money on polymarket if you gamble

[keen beacon]

Google won't release Gemini 3 unless it is industry leading.

They simply won't.

[agile bloom]

is GPT-5 out? available to use on LMArena?

[torn bison]

I hope they fix the overflattering issue with 2.5pro. wolfstride is nice, blacktooth is even better, but both are better than 2.5pro anyway.

[keen beacon]

GPT-5 is yet to be released

Arena did have checkpoints (likely) of it for a few days.

[torn bison]

current 2.5 pro makes it impossible for me to trust any of its subjective evaluations

[keen beacon]

why is that?

sycophancy?

[wheat onyx]

If you have actual info, say that. If not, just own that it’s a guess.

I'm not asking you to be right, just to flag what's grounded and what's not.

[agile bloom]

so it's not released on LMArena or ChatGPT (for paid user)?

[torn bison]

tomorrow

[keen beacon]

Its not released nor announced as a product yet

Sam hypemen exists

And elon purposefully leaked a bunch of grok info

They do happen. often in the AI space.

[wheat onyx]

I’m not assuming no one has info. I’m saying if you're guessing, just say it's a guess.

And if you do have actual info, say that, don’t just imply it.

[agile bloom]

cool cool? so GPT-5 would be available on LMArena tom or would that take time?

[tight tide]

Can anyone tell me how to generate videos like specific tools veo 3 Hailuo 2

[wheat onyx]

I think both reasoning and non reasoning will be improved, but not sure how much. I think hallucinations should be improved, which is pretty good

[keen beacon]

They usually have it within a few days (or hours) of the release.

[wheat onyx]

OAI said their IMO Gold Model won't release for a few more months

[agile bloom]

even coooool, excited to use GPT-5

[keen beacon]

Wait a second, in the arena o3 ranks the highest in search. However it should not have the tools to facilitate search in the API. How does the arena version function?

[wheat onyx]

ok, so you're saying you know for a fact Gemini is delayed 2 months. Good to know

[agile bloom]

okay so which is the smartest AI model right now? with the most about of data (it's trained on) and the highest parameters involved in it?

[wheat onyx]

or you're just trolling

Ah so we've come full circle. It's just vibes

[keen beacon]

Rankings are different and each LLM specialises in different domains (eg claude for coding, gemini for teaching... so on) but o3 is the most generally intelligent LLM out there.

[agile bloom]

thanks

[keen beacon]

The chess tournament is about to start soon!

[wheat onyx]

It seems that GPT-5 will be a big coding jump. It will be interesting to see if:

1. it beat Opus 4.1
   1b. Anthropic releases a follow-up to beat it

[wheat onyx]

Ideally it does, good for competition

[torn bison]

1. 100%
2. I think we'll have to wait at least three months

[keen beacon]

Likely? but why would Anthropic release 4.1 a few days before GPT-5 if they had a better model to release after it? Unless said model is extremely large and would therefore be uncompetitive with GPT-5 in pricing therefore unusable for coding

[wheat onyx]

https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/1952768435873612256

Anthropic (@AnthropicAI)

We plan to release substantially larger improvements to our models in the coming weeks.

X · Aug 5, 2025, 4:27 PM

[torn bison]

summit is next level

[keen beacon]

"In the coming weeks" Quite peculiar. why would you release an inferior model only to render it useless in the coming weeks?

[torn bison]

even 2.5 ultra deepthink can't compete with it in coding

[wheat onyx]

maybe to get something out before GPT-5, then see if they can beat GPT-5 after. I don't know their exact strategy

seems clear though

[torn bison]

gemini 3 pro is even more of a long shot. I'm really looking forward to seeing what cards google will play next

[keen beacon]

Why would you rattle and confuse enterprises with no particular gain to be had in doing so?

[fleet lintel]

competition is crazy right nnow... these companie are releasing better models as soon as they can

[keen beacon]

Even if we were to assume that this is their current latest model, a few weeks are insufficient to make significant enough improvements as to warrant another release.

[wheat onyx]

Well there is an improvement now. I guess it depends on how you define gain

[torn bison]

I believe they've found a better way to validate rewards to scale up RL even further

[fleet lintel]

they have multiple models trainings happening in parallel.. one track could be fine tuning and other track could be updating the base model.
It is faster (much faster) to release fine tunning version.

[keen beacon]

On a few benchmarks it seems to have regressed and the community does not seem to pleased with it either

[keen beacon]

Oh, yeah that does make sense. A mere finetune of Opus 4 to rid it of its shortcomings rather than any actual training improvement

A "quickfix"

[fleet lintel]

it's fun to watch these improvements from side. But if you are an Engineer working in AI area, it is not fun. Sooo much pressure, it's crazy

[patent aspen]

Yeah basically all companies are developing multiple models in parallel

Some might be good but not production ready yet for a variety of reasons

[wheat onyx]

looking forward to GPT-5 tomorrow for sure

[ripe mountain]

Is the site working properly right now?

[shell pewter]

server ded? huh

[torn bison]

before GPT5 I would have said kingfall was the undisputed king, but after using summit I think they each have their own strengths. And GPT's strengths are something the current generation of Gemini can absolutely not catch up to

[undone crane]

im from Spain !! thank you so much to all LMArerna Stage !!!

[gilded ingot]

hey guys is the site down for anyone else?

[cyan zodiac]

ye its down

[shell pewter]

yea down for me too

[gilded ingot]

thanks thought it was just me was working on a project and my chat suddenly vanished

[stray aspen]

lmarena is down

[shell pewter]

lol same scared the crap out of me lul

[iron meadow]

@echo aurora

[torn bison]

Yeah that's one of kingfall's strengths. It's more comprehensive and often more humanlike

[sick chasm]

same

[echo aurora]

Thank you for the flag. Escalating now.

[shell pewter]

thank you sir

🙏

[stray aspen]

does anyone have deepseek r2 news

[ripe mountain]

which ai do you think is the best right now? im torn between horizon beta and gemini 2.5 pro

[weak sluice]

i was literally in the middle of typing.....dangit

[sterile ingot]

Is the website down rn?

[ripe mountain]

down

[weak sluice]

yes

[exotic gust]

down for me too

[worldly plume]

Same

[echo aurora]

Yup, we are having out an outage, team is working on it

[sterile ingot]

I thought it was only me.

[iron meadow]

what is horizon beta

[echo aurora]

So sorry everyone!

[torn bison]

2.5pro, horizon beta is not considered a reasoning model.

[obsidian cargo]

phew. joined discord to check it out, thought I got banned because a (very innoccuous) prompt I was submitting somehow broke TOS

[iron meadow]

opus 4 is still my favorite by far

4-1 tends to get a bit dramatic

especially without reasoning

[worldly plume]

I hoping chats won't gone after bug fix

[summer valley]

yes

[sterile ingot]

Opus 4 is really great at logic but the prompt has to be precise.

[iron meadow]

can you elaborate?

[random wolf]

what happened guys? what's the problem?

[ripe mountain]

https://openrouter.ai/openrouter/horizon-beta

[sterile ingot]

Just my experience

[worldly plume]

LMArena website got's down

[iron meadow]

Like what do you mean precise? Im interested in improving my own prompts

[echo aurora]

We are looking into an outage atm.

[shell pewter]

guys, refresh, its backed up

[stray aspen]

lmarena is live again

[iron meadow]

Its back up

[random wolf]

okay okay, I hope the chats won't be deleted😁

[iron meadow]

Confirmed

[sterile ingot]

I already cleared the cookies and site data 🙂

[shell pewter]

yay

[worldly plume]

Yeeees, my chats still here!!

[ripe mountain]

even though horizon doesn't have a reason model, i think there are areas where it outperforms gemini 2.5 pro

[torn bison]

"best" is usually considered in an overall sense

[sterile ingot]

I sometimes have a hard time explaining how I wanted it to happen, it does the work, but the opposite of what I wanted sometimes.

[iron meadow]

2-5 pro is one of the worst models i've used. I only use it for youtube videos and processing huge context windows at this point.

[iron meadow]

Ah. I'd avoid negation in your prompts

[shell pewter]

o3 and gemini 2.5 pro are doing pretty good for me

[cyan zodiac]

i remember it being good a while back but upon testing it recently its garbage unless its for huge context tasks as you said

[ripe mountain]

yeah right

[stray aspen]

deepseek r1 0528 smashes gemini at lua coding

i noticed that yesterday

[obsidian shell]

why would you make it code lua?

thats a first a hearing

[stray aspen]

for roblocks

[iron meadow]

Roblocks, neovim

Lua is a nice language for its usecases

[ripe mountain]

grok 4 is the most overrated model btw

[mint jungle]

webpage returns, thanks.

[obsidian shell]

i get it but why deepseek?

why not claude?

swe bench is a clear indicator

[iron meadow]

Maybe it's underrated, but i'm not sure when you would ever use it

When you have alternatives yeah?

[ripe mountain]

yeah

[stray aspen]

because

[obsidian shell]

poor thing...

vpn!

[stray aspen]

nah deepseek is good for me

[iron meadow]

Claude-4-opus-thinking is so much better than opus 4-1 thinking in the claude app 😭

[stray aspen]

it solved a lua problem before opus 4 and gemini 2.5 pro could yesterday

i tried it on lmarena

[sacred quail]

Use google ai studio

[iron meadow]

Of course im using AI studio for it

Man

[sacred quail]

Then you are wrong

2.5 is good

[iron meadow]

Well.

[cedar tide]

https://fixupx.com/lmarena_ai/status/1953126364502212659?t=xsCHa0n4hUyX0nN4A9h2Xg&s=19

lmarena.ai (@lmarena_ai)

🎬 The Video Arena Leaderboard is now live!
︀︀
︀︀14,000+ community votes have ranked the top Text-to-Video and Image-to-Video models.
︀︀
︀︀📝 Text-to-Video rankings:
︀︀
︀︀- #1 Veo3 (audio on)
︀︀- #3 Veo3, Veo3-fast
︀︀- #5 Hailuo 02 [Standard], Seedance 1.0 pro
︀︀- #6 Kling 2.1 Master
︀︀- #9 Wan 2.2 A14B
︀︀- #11 Pika 2.2, Mochi 1
︀︀
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FixupX · Aug 6, 2025, 4:09 PM

[golden ocean]

for coding it is incredibly annoying yes and for natural text generation (like sounding human and not ai) its sometimes very bad even with system instructions

[iron meadow]

Yeah

[ripe mountain]

gpt 4o or gemini 2.5 pro? which is better than?

[golden ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/910347347601543196/1160742997156188181/togif-6.gif

[iron meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/910347347601543196/1160742997156188181/togif-6.gif

[misty vault]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/910347347601543196/1160742997156188181/togif-6.gif?ex=6894a2e8&is=68935168&hm=e470c76d62e4a113ff318d0339e83e44d0c192d0468c401bf6f3b8e95c6f2678&

[keen beacon]

Sometimes i wonder how much data there is on these discord channel that gets lost. Are AI companies using this>

[golden ocean]

obviously not

no frontier models can perfectly imitate online chat platforms or even realistic conversations without fine tuning

[wheat onyx]

https://openai.com/index/providing-chatgpt-to-the-entire-us-federal-workforce/

[cedar tide]

https://fixupx.com/Alibaba_Qwen/status/1953128028047102241?t=M0J-HT4f2u5vJy4uiMfT_Q&s=19

Qwen (@Alibaba_Qwen)

🚀 Introducing Qwen3-4B-Instruct-2507 & Qwen3-4B-Thinking-2507 — smarter, sharper, and 256K-ready!
︀︀
︀︀🔹 Instruct: Boosted general skills, multilingual coverage, and long-context instruction following.
︀︀
︀︀🔹 Thinking: Advanced reasoning in logic, math, science & code — built for expert-level tasks.
︀︀
︀︀Both models are more aligned, more capable, and more context-aware.
︀︀
︀︀Huggingface：
︀︀huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3-4B-Instruct-2507
︀︀huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3-4B-Thinking-2507
︀︀ModelScope:
︀︀modelscope.cn/models/Qwen/Qwen3-4B-Instruct-2507
︀︀modelscope.cn/models/Qwen/Qwen3-4B-Thinking-2507

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FixupX · Aug 6, 2025, 4:16 PM

[golden ocean]

but chatgpt is far left

[wheat onyx]

is this just good at math? Language stuff I feel like would be more interesting at first, for the small models

[random wolf]

is there any solution to cancel when generating? it's so frustrating

[muted vault]

why does the audionot work

[random wolf]

guys help huhu is there any solution to cancel when generating? it's so frustrating😔

[exotic nebula]

Gemini 2.5 pro. Gpt 4o aint even competition for it. Easy diff win

[maiden fulcrum]

nice video leaderboards

[buoyant helm]

what are you talking about 💔

[maiden fulcrum]

i really think that seedance 1.0 pro should be number one

it beats all models in i2v

[rare python]

with and without audio

fast and normal

[buoyant helm]

^

[rare python]

the only video model that has sound iirc

[muted vault]

Does the audio creating feauture from veo 3 work

[rare python]

lmarena you can custom prompt the models. In AA you just watch someone else prompt I guess

So more diverse style

¯_(ツ)_/¯

which website? AA or lmarena?

[buoyant helm]

yea if it chose the veo-3-audio

[cedar tide]

https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1953139020231569685?t=Ef18R0ieTcDH7rNQ-wpYhQ&s=19

OpenAI (@OpenAI)

LIVE5TREAM THURSDAY 10AM PT

X · Aug 6, 2025, 5:00 PM

[mystic frigate]

its actually tomorrow omg

[rare python]

in this server #1397655624103493813

They haven't released on the web

[wheat onyx]

https://cookbook.openai.com/articles/gpt-oss/fine-tune-transfomers

[storm needle]

https://x.com/openai/status/1953139020231569685?s=46

OpenAI (@OpenAI)

LIVE5TREAM THURSDAY 10AM PT

X · Aug 6, 2025, 5:00 PM

[echo aurora]

Thinking we should have a watch party

[exotic nebula]

https://cdn.openai.com/API/docs/images/model-page/model-icons/gpt-5.png

[gentle plinth]

So for your timezone stream will be <t:1754586000:f>

[maiden fulcrum]

1PM EST

Do you guys think GPT-5 will beat Gemini 2.5 Pro, Grok 4 Heavy and o3-pro across all benchmarks?

[gentle plinth]

I think so, but more important is the question if the model is actually good, or just benchmaxxing

[raven helm]

Comformed

[maiden fulcrum]

Isn't benchmaxing the same meaning as being a good model?

[torn mantle]

what did i say

who predicted that?

me

and me

[torn mantle]

and me

[wheat onyx]

Probably? But other companies have releases upcoming too

[raven helm]

!!!

[stray aspen]

is this the gpt 5 announcement

[maiden fulcrum]

Like who?

[raven helm]

prob

posted 10 min ago

[gentle plinth]

No, benchmaxing means it was trained on benchmarks, but isn't necessarily good at other tasks

At least that's how I understand it

[maiden fulcrum]

Oh, I see

What is 'good model' to you?

[iron meadow]

LIVE5TREAM

[wheat onyx]

Gemini and Claude both have releases soon

[gentle plinth]

A model which is good at different real world use cases, such as finding bugs outside of public benchmarks, writing clean code for tasks it hadn't been trained on, and finding good solutions to problems

[maiden fulcrum]

Gemini 3.0?

[raven helm]

yea

[maiden fulcrum]

When?

[wheat onyx]

Live5tream

[wheat onyx]

yeah. No date, but it's soon

[raven helm]

Oh, i didnt notice that

[stray aspen]

is it a typo or are they refering to gpt 5

[obsidian cargo]

Anyone know if zenith was gpt-5 yet?

Wish I got more of a chance to try zenith before it got removed

[wheat onyx]

I think it's for Chatgpt o4 and just a typo

[maiden fulcrum]

All I know is that there will be a great video model coming by the end of this month

[gentle plinth]

They wrote it this way intentionally

[maiden fulcrum]

But I cannot say by who yet.

[maiden fulcrum]

They're referring to Five Guys

[raven helm]

Live5steam - referring to GPT 5

[stray aspen]

xAI

[wheat onyx]

no way. It's not like if it was a typo they could delete it and tweet again

[maiden fulcrum]

Nope

[iron meadow]

@echo aurora Can you help me decipher what is wrong with a message I am trying to use as a benchmark for models. I get "something went wrong while generating the response". I'd prefer if it was sent privately, not sure why this server doesnt have a ticket system yet

[torn mantle]

i wish

i would've earned quite the sum

i was actually right many times

[raven helm]

@echo aurora What do you think about GPT-5?

[echo aurora]

Yeah I can take a look. My DMs are open. Note we do have @oak python available too.

[torn mantle]

in grok 4 not topping lmarena way way before the release

no you didnt

stop lying

omg

...

what else did i predict

hmmm

lets see

what

no

[iron meadow]

Sent!

[wheat onyx]

stop overthinking it. It's clearly a typo. Tweets can't be deleted

[agile bloom]

wait what?

[quartz light]

@echo aurora 4.1 direct when

[torn mantle]

gpt-S

[whole wagon]

?

It obviously is gpt5. That is obvious even without any hint

[obsidian cargo]

Gpt 4o.5

That's what they're hinting at

Or maybe o4.5

[wheat onyx]

No way

Impossible

[whole wagon]

Bruh

Have you been under a rock past few weeks

[wheat onyx]

#general message

This isn't a hint to you?

[stray aspen]

are you serious

i could have never thought of that

i thought they were hinting grok 5

[tame horizon]

Listen to Claudio 4 1 from now on he's not there yesterday I was talking to him and he's not showing up anymore I want

Guys, they removed it, they remove it, why can they put it back?

[torn mantle]

@patent aspen gemini 3 soon or nah?

[tame horizon]

maybe friend

[stray aspen]

yes

they have to respond to gpt -5

[tame horizon]

Thank you very much friend for the information mentioned above about the site

[stray aspen]

yes

[tame horizon]

how are you?

[stray aspen]

im chilling bud

[tame horizon]

hehehe cool 😎

Look, were you also able to talk to Claude 4.1?

[tame horizon]

Did they release it before Anthropic? hahaha

[torn mantle]

who are you

i see

[brisk helm]

yo for the video arena, can they make it so that u can choose whcih model u wanna use

[echo aurora]

It's possible, be sure to share feedback in #bot-feedback

[tame horizon]

I'm just a user here! What are the canonical movie scenes "who are you"? - what should I say "Jesus"? , kiss my bro I'm just another one wanting to contribute and be your friend

@torn mantle

[brisk helm]

ok sorry

[echo aurora]

no need to apologize, it's all good.

[tame horizon]

how are you @torn mantle

[tame horizon]

How do you eat today?

[obsidian cargo]

with my mouth, as usual

[tame horizon]

Wow, I'm missing the notification feature. It should already be showing who wants to chat with me?

[echo aurora]

Lets try to keep convo related to AI please.

[brisk helm]

jjust a quick question to the ppl that run lmarena. how do u guys freely give access to premium ai models on the webpage, just a question.

[stray aspen]

bro what

are you an AI

[brisk helm]

its a bot so yeah an ai i think

[tame horizon]

no bro it's me jajjjajajaj

[tame horizon]

I guess not or will it?

[glad perch]

That feeling when you go see see your generated videos only to come to the scene of people already voted and models are revealed 😭😞

[echo aurora]

We are putting a lot of thought into how to best do the model reveal. If you have thoughts on likes/dislikes don’t hesitate to share with us in #bot-feedback

[whole wagon]

Sus

[brisk helm]

ive already applied as janitor at the pentagon

[whole wagon]

Well they are getting smth in return

Sigh more bs from scam altman kek. GPT5 is not AGI lol

"smarter than the smartest person" bruh

These claims get more outlandish every time

[ornate stump]

smarter than the smarter smarties

[elfin herald]

is claude opus 4.1 not available?
i cant see it

[obsidian shell]

claude is expensive as ssssss

they dont want us to get it for free so they tool it off direct and moved it to battle only

[elfin herald]

oh thanks

isnt it the same price as opus 4

[obsidian shell]

in the api probably

but anthropic has to capitalize on its release

it wont do it by making free for testing

maybe in a week or two

[obsidian cargo]

Do you guys think we might get gpt-image-2 tomorrow too?

or at least an update to gpt-image-1?
or am I huffing copium?

[obsidian shell]

probably not

guessing wont get us far

it will come when it will come

[torn mantle]

are you a bot

are you using an agent to communicate with us?

like an agentic browser like comet

[leaden palm]

probably just non native english

[tame horizon]

@torn mantle I'm not anymore, this will be under construction soon as soon as the current project is finished.

Several people have asked me this

I think it's funny

[hallow ridge]

How can I take away the restrictions

[stray aspen]

something big is coming

[hallow ridge]

Like what

[wheat onyx]

remember he is building an AI device separately from OAI

[tame horizon]

I agree

[keen beacon]

Staff at OpenAI robotics tweeted about GPT 5 maybe. what?

How could it be robotics related???

[tame horizon]

I'm not exactly talking about current slang because my course is outdated.

[wheat onyx]

I forgot, OAI acquired it, I'm wrong

[novel flame]

Oh yea, I got it: a PaLLM Pilot running GPT-OSS 20B would indeed be snarter than the smartest people who voluntarily follow Elon on Twixter.

[stray aspen]

its the new model from OAI

[wheat onyx]

is that what i suggested?

[novel flame]

No but it’s a joke.

[cedar tide]

@echo aurora why OSS 120b removed from webdev ?

And 20b from arena

[torn mantle]

i see

[torn mantle]

hmm

[torn mantle]

mini or nano

[echo aurora]

I'm not sure, but will flag to the team

[keen beacon]

Dude there is no Veo 3

[obsidian cargo]

dang new models but I ran out of daily generations a few hours ago ehehe

[echo aurora]

oh no! they will be there tomorrow! would also note I was a bit late to the announcement so you may have been using some of them.

[ocean vortex]

it would probably get destroyed there

[lime coral]

They are coward

[warm fulcrum]

which discord server tells you about newly added ai models

[stray aspen]

no

very interesting author gemini

why is it calling itself gpt 4

hell yes

or i hope so

[wheat onyx]

https://x.com/hunoematic/status/1953189036509806833?s=19

invincibleHunter (@hunoematic)

GPT-5 is state of the art at reasoning. In SimpleBench, it passed 90% of all questions (9 out of 10). I have access to it via Copilot, and it uses Reasoning mode.

@btibor91
@patience_cave
@kimmonismus
@slow_developer
@RafaCrackYT
@legit_api
@koltregaskes
@chetaslua

X · Aug 6, 2025, 8:18 PM

[stray aspen]

thats crazy

[wheat onyx]

https://x.com/ChaseBrowe32432/status/1953195458328932542?s=19

Chase Brower (@ChaseBrowe32432)

@hunoematic this is the public set and not the actual benchmark. its benchmark score will be much lower.

X · Aug 6, 2025, 8:44 PM

[bright kayak]

does everyone just trust everyone?

[wheat onyx]

I think it's probably safe to ignore it, just thought it was interesting

[stray aspen]

claude 4.1 is on livebench

[terse shuttle]

why claude 4 sonnet is lower then claude 3.7?

[wheat onyx]

Claude was only ever for coding

[iron meadow]

what is it?

[bright kayak]

new layout

[wheat onyx]

Anthropic said they have some big upgrades in the coming weeks. We will see

[bright kayak]

btw this just looks worse overall why

[wheat onyx]

Anthropic has big updates in a few weeks. As long as they beat GPT-5, they'll be fine. If not, it will be very difficult for them

[iron meadow]

Too much buzz words 😭

Website spams the word "vibe"

Not tasteful to me

[bright kayak]

does this edit look realistic?

[iron meadow]

Needs the frosted blur

You can copy the css directly from the site

[bright kayak]

the background is official

i literally just changed the path of the jpg, to gpt-5

i guess they just change their styles often

[hardy pecan]

9/10 on a public set that has been available for awhile isn't all that impressive, alot of the models fall down when tested against the private set. no expectation it should stay at 90%, itll be ~70 with my testing

[bright kayak]

i mean, i only changed the image, nothing else, so any css would carry over

[hardy pecan]

I'm giving it ~70%, which is by no means underestimation, its really strong from my testing, agreed

Excited for it

gulp

[civic flame]

lol

[rough nimbus]

hello frends

[bright kayak]

this is my edit, using their official bg images

[rough nimbus]

very happy to be here with you ❤️

[echo aurora]

glad to hear it!

[dim heron]

Can someone not generate video with voice over here?

[iron cipher]

is GPT-5 out yet?

on LMArena

[bright kayak]

people talk a lot about wanting x and y to help with coding, all i need it to do is to help me troubleshoot

[bright kayak]

i'm glad my edit was this good

no, tommorow is the livestream

https://x.com/OpenAI/status/1953139020231569685

OpenAI (@OpenAI)

LIVE5TREAM THURSDAY 10AM PT

X · Aug 6, 2025, 5:00 PM

[blazing bison]

They gonna change the name of gpt 4o to gpt 5

Yeah

[bright kayak]

50% of people wouldnt be able to tell the difference or care

[blazing bison]

For sure, if their router model is good enough to identify hard questions

Oh my god I have to send it again

[civic flame]

buddy there's literally a model with the slug gpt-5-auto

on the api it isn't a router, but in chatGPT there will be a router (with the ability to force reasoning for subscribers)

[blazing bison]

https://x.com/kevinweil/status/1890914595268657194

Kevin Weil 🇺🇸 (@kevinweil)

@SpencerKSchiff What you outlined is the plan 👍 May start with a little routing behind the scenes to hide some lingering complexity, but mostly around the edges. The plan is to get the core model to do quick responses, tools, and longer reasoning.

X · Feb 16, 2025, 12:02 AM

Do you know what core model means?

????

The info that gpt 5 is a unified model is old than that

I'm?

Lol

No it's not

[patent aspen]

It's not just routing but there is a router

[blazing bison]

Yes you're right

Yes brian

Exactly

Yes there is a router and there is new models too

I never said otherwise

But people will receive for the most requests a gpt 4o router

There is lol

When I say gpt 4o , im talking about gpt 4o level model

You don't know me bro

[stray aspen]

craig will gpt 5 be the SoTA when it releases

[blazing bison]

Lmao

[patent aspen]

I think in general you have to assume that any high volume all in one chat app is going to have some routing involved, although the line between routing and not routing is going to be blurry because there will also be a lot of shared state

[bright kayak]

I get why people fake screenshots, it's fun

[blazing bison]

I never said that

[patent aspen]

Yeah I know. Most people don't think in shades of gray

[blazing bison]

Its not

It just the 4o model

The thinking is a summary bug in the frontend

Idk I use the api most of the time

[patent aspen]

Jules is out of beta

[blazing bison]

Gemini 2.5 pro

Codex but from google

[blazing bison]

Another fake bench

Lesgoo

[solar hollow]

yeah lets just wait for the release

[willow grail]

they have tested it

https://x.com/hunoematic/status/1953189036509806833/photo/1

invincibleHunter (@hunoematic)

GPT-5 is state of the art at reasoning. In SimpleBench, it passed 90% of all questions (9 out of 10). I have access to it via Copilot, and it uses Reasoning mode.

@btibor91
@patience_cave
@kimmonismus
@slow_developer
@RafaCrackYT
@legit_api
@koltregaskes
@chetaslua

X · Aug 6, 2025, 8:18 PM

[bright kayak]

of course it's fake

the image is deceiving

[willow grail]

https://x.com/legit_api/status/1953197372755845597

ʟᴇɢɪᴛ (@legit_api)

@hunoematic @btibor91 @patience_cave @kimmonismus @slow_developer @RafaCrackYT @koltregaskes @chetaslua this matches the 9/10 score it got with GPT-5 earlier today

in my run, the last question took it down

for me it thought for multiple minutes on most of them 🤔

X · Aug 6, 2025, 8:51 PM

[barren prairie]

Gemini pro 2.5 VS GLM 4.5 coding capacities test 🔥⚔️

Prompt:

Create a 3D educational HTML game: A metro train moves on visible tracks across a green field under a blue sky, passing through 10 stations. At each station, a quiz question appears with multiple-choice buttons. The train only continues to the next station if the player answers correctly; otherwise, it stops until the correct answer is selected. Include background buildings, animated grass, and a realistic sky. Add UI buttons for controlling the metro's movement (Start, Stop, Reset). The scene should be playful, colorful, and child-friendly, with smooth transitions and immersive 3D visuals.

1st one is for Gemini pro 2.5

https://g.co/gemini/share/f4e1c8d337a3

Gemini pro failed it and made tons of errors so I couldn t continue the design with it . You can see that from the first prompt he made bug on the buttons that he couldn t fix

2nd one is for GLM4.5

https://chat.z.ai/s/5d97a31b-0071-445e-8b7d-5f1f711388f4

I tried to make the prompts more and more harder each time to make it produce one error but ...

Writing 1638 lines with a very small mistake that he corrected perfectly

Started to bug after this covo starting from the 1694 code line..

[willow grail]

just use normal simplebench questions and use gpt5 on ms copilot

[bright kayak]

i messed up the comments and bottom posts time but otherwise i think this looks pretty realistic

[burnt sinew]

can we do text-to-video on lmarena website?

[echo aurora]

No, it's currently only available through this server.

[wicked root]

nooooooooo

[wicked root]

how do u guys know if it's fake?

[bright kayak]

because they said it was tested on only the public set

[small haven]

what are the odds that o4 is integrated into gpt5

[torn mantle]

yes

[wicked root]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[burnt sinew]

says rumor for a reason

[glacial swift]

🙂

[maiden fulcrum]

18 Hours left until GPT-5

[stray aspen]

How do you use gpt 5 on copilot

[obsidian shell]

you dont

i think its still on 4o

[strange briar]

hi

[echo aurora]

[cedar tide]

the shared results are too low compared to those shared by open ai

The api dont work good now

math arena got 91% on aime 25 in local run, much better than artificial analysis

[stray aspen]

whats this

[shadow jewel]

we love lmarena 🙏

[wicked root]

Any news on gpt5?

[crimson monolith]

Hello

[stray aspen]

didnt think i would ever say this

but i think gpt oss 120 actually cooked me a good script

at least better than 2.5 pro

[little narwhal]

GPT-1984

Amirite

[static portal]

is it just claude with the issue with randomly thinking forever or other models are the same?

[wicked root]

NOOOOOO

[whole wagon]

horizon beta is absolutely insane

This is crazy good

yea

the full one?

[wicked root]

👀

[whole wagon]

its incredible

Literally destroying all my questions after like 3 seconds thinking

o3 pro cant get these right

[solar hollow]

this depends on the stack sizes of the table

if you are biggest stack with decent margin, you can push much more

in any other situation you gotta be very tight

especially as a mid stack size

none would be pushable in fact im pretty sure

of course you can mix your strategy and min open aswell

which often will be better

as a mid stack you could only push AA probably, barely KK even

but you can open with more hands for 2bb

of course the prize table matters too

if it is very top heavy, you get to push more

[whole wagon]

really nice

GPT5 will be SOTA by a large margin. For sure

I wonder how long until GPT6 though. The 2 year cadence no longer works they need to shorten the gap between releases

[red sluice]

Hopefully they'll make the API available asap so we can test it

[whole wagon]

This will be SOTA for about 6 months i think

[stray aspen]

i love horizon beta

[jade egret]

do yall think gpt 5 will be better than claude 4.1 opus at coding?

[whole wagon]

https://x.com/sama/status/1953264193890861114?t=DNIeXCZG0bQfyCeFt4JHRw&s=19
Horizon reference

Sam Altman (@sama)

X · Aug 7, 2025, 1:17 AM

[stray aspen]

yes

claude 4.1 is literally opus 4 but 2% better

[earnest swift]

what is the maximam amout of videos i can ask in arena 1?

[stray aspen]

not again

@echo aurora

[stray aspen]

i think its 8

[earnest swift]

a day?

[stray aspen]

yes

maybe if it didnt have north korean level censorship

[somber niche]

Technically not a false statement

[stray aspen]

who makes open source models in america

thats a china thing

[earnest swift]

how do i get sound in the video

[stray aspen]

get lucky

you might get veo 3

but its not guaranteed

[cedar tide]

change of providers, now it's open ai themselves?

[stray aspen]

est ce qu ils utilisaient l api openrouter auparavant

[hardy pecan]

https://x.com/sama/status/1953296157586931745

Sam Altman (@sama)

our livestream tomorrow at 10 am PDT will be longer than usual, around an hour.

we have a lot to show and hope you can find the the time to watch!

X · Aug 7, 2025, 3:24 AM

[stray aspen]

google has to lock in

[vital solar]

helo

[obsidian shell]

scam altman better announce at least an update to the o models if not gpt5...

[jade egret]

ya

[copper ruin]

hello

[sharp tiger]

@echo aurora

[echo aurora]

[sharp tiger]

Can I talk to you privately?

[echo aurora]

sure

[leaden palm]

hour long livestream, then straight to TBPN after... we eating good tomorrow

[whole wagon]

https://huggingface.co/huihui-ai/Huihui-gpt-oss-20b-BF16-abliterated All those weeks of safety testing down the drain...

They've actually been removing them off hugging face. There was other ones made that got removed

[wicked root]

Are we sure gpt5’s being released today?

[raven helm]

YES, it is so obvious

[solid brook]

It will i'm sure. Imagine if it doesn't it will be big shock.

[wicked root]

I hope it doesnt

[harsh flume]

That doesnt mean anything if it was done by third party running their public dataset

classic data leakage fallacy

[raven helm]

mmmm

[leaden palm]

found the patience cave alt

[wicked root]

Who?

[novel flame]

A new model architecture from Z.ai -- not an LLM / chatbot, it's built to perform reasoning and planning in latent space, and it performs very well on ARC-AGI. Not SoTA, but incredibly well for its miniscule size. As I understand it, HRM works by having two 'recurrent' transformer blocks, one fast and cheap, the other slower and more competent, and the 'high' one oversees the progress of the 'low' one and steers it. It's a novel and very interesting approach.

[whole wagon]

openAI 120B open source model with reasoning even below many without reasoning

[torn bison]

fireworks

[whole wagon]

Idk how the model is so fried

Really don't get it. Like the only way you get performance like this is if you tried to

[lethal oracle]

Hello guys

Since yesterday Im unable to access lmarena.ai

Can someone pls help

[tropic mesa]

i get veo 3 but it doesnt have audio, i have done 5 videos

how to fix it

[lethal oracle]

Bruh

[ruby smelt]

@leaden palm hey, i am not able to create videos in the video arena. It's saying- the application did not respond

[leaden palm]

problematic

try again?

[ruby smelt]

It's working now! You did something?

[leaden palm]

no

that was just the first thought that came to mind

[ruby smelt]

It wasn't working before. I have been trying for 10 minutes. Thanks 🙌🏻

[brittle nimbus]

hello word 🙂

[dusky aurora]

do I see a Polish name?

[spring turtle]

Can someone explain why this prompt violates the TOU?

[novel sigil]

I want to ask if the code "remove style control" is this?
https://colab.research.google.com/drive/19VPOril2FjCX34lJoo7qn4r6adgKLioY?ref=news.lmarena.ai

Does this mean adding some features of the format to train the BT model to calculate the elo score?

Please answer. Thank you.

[ocean vortex]

this is linked from there so yes https://news.lmarena.ai/style-control/

It may have been updated since though

[high fossil]

Hey!

[novel sigil]

So is this code “remove style control”？ I hope to receive your reply. Thank you

[ocean vortex]

What is weird is how they got these benchmark results in a model card... Seems like there's something missing from the version we get to use lol

[ocean vortex]

It's the opposite of that. It's adding style control which is now default view. By doing "remove style control" you are undoing those changes

[novel sigil]

thanks bro

[novel sigil]

I'm also very curious because the volume of data is just too large

[exotic tartan]

can someone convince me why OSS is worth running on my machine? this is soooo dogshit

also, i gave it another shot just to be sure. it gave me a wrong answer

[wheat onyx]

https://x.com/scaling01/status/1953361422055842057?s=19

Lisan al Gaib (@scaling01)

GPT-5 Pro - Research-grade intelligence

with ChatGPT-Pro

X · Aug 7, 2025, 7:43 AM

[keen beacon]

Just use qwen3

I have found OSS to be extremely underwhelming

[exotic tartan]

I know I can run qwen3, I'm just wondering why the hype around OSS if it's literally unusable

am i doing anything wrong? is ollama not really compatible with it or something?

[keen beacon]

Btw, what program/website is that?

looks sleek

for LLMs

[keen beacon]

Not sure.

[exotic tartan]

It's called Ollama, you can run LLMs locally with it

[novel sigil]

I choose GLM-4.5

[exotic tartan]

It's very sleek, but almost no configurations

[keen beacon]

Yeah but that interface? Isn't Ollama CLI based and pulls a model once it's downloaded? Sorry, I am a bit of a noob

I've been using LM Studio

[exotic tartan]

I used it because it allows for easy web search implementation which I couldn't get in LM Studio, but maybe it's fixable somehow

It's just based on Ollama CLI, but the app is different. go to ollama.com

[keen beacon]

ahh, I see

thanks a lot

[exotic tartan]

For sure. Let me know if you know how to enable web tooling in LM Studio

[keen beacon]

https://ollama.com/blog/new-app

ahh it was released recently

no wonder I haven't known about the app

lol

[exotic tartan]

I find the answers to be much slower and worse compared to LM Studio for some reason

[keen beacon]

I hope Ollama will have some agentic automation too in the future

would be real nice

[exotic tartan]

They seem to be really far from this, but yeah would be amazing

[ocean vortex]

wtf

was this benchmaxxed to oblivion...

gpt-oss

[keen beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-gif-gif-11820915051981029439

[pale sable]

Hey guys whats the best way to make money with ai

[exotic tartan]

ask an LLM, the one with the best answer wins

[ocean vortex]

this is like 2.5Flash, except way more extreme

Goes to show the edge case of those benchmarks being the least effective... Since their only performance line is those scores dropping. And those benchmarks are not good enough to control model size

[keen beacon]

Niche tests are always the best tbh

I write the most absurd stuff to test the reasoning

with all kinds of models

lol

[exotic tartan]

I find LM Arena to be the only benchmark I care about

The ranking is pretty much how I feel usually about the models. Human vetting is still king

[ocean vortex]

Nah it's just a different area of evals. It's not substitute

And like, do you think 4o is better than all those models below it...?

[exotic tartan]

What's this leaderboard? text?

[ocean vortex]

yes

lmarena main text leaderboard

[exotic tartan]

I definitely do think it's better than them at text

[keen beacon]

I still find Kimi K2 the best at emotions and general EQ. 4o is too sycophantic along with gemini 2.5 models

[pale sable]

Im thinking of making an ai model and sell her pics on OF

[keen beacon]

what

[exotic tartan]

Yassin, go away bro

[keen beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/suspicious-untrustful-distrustful-jeremy-clarkson-top-gear-gif-18037537

[ocean vortex]

4o-latest is nowhere near Opus4, Grok4 or even R1 in terms of text performance

[exotic tartan]

So explain why people think it's better?

And define text performance. I think it's a mixture of accuracy, style, speed etc

[ocean vortex]

They prefer it's writing style. This eval is measuring human preference elo. Not performance/accuracy

[exotic tartan]

If it wouldn't be accurate, people would choose the accurate answer way before how stylized it is

[ocean vortex]

It's also good at convincing - but that's also not an indicator of performance 👀

[ocean vortex]

Human preference is inherently subjective

[exotic tartan]

I'm getting hallucinations from all text based LLMs... it's not unique to 4o

[ocean vortex]

and is often not factual

[keen beacon]

I find it much nicer if a model could say that it does not know the answer and guides the user to use other sources

[ocean vortex]

People have no clue what the correct answer is, both look "similar enough" but one response looks more convincing... that's how this works

well not always, but many of that is this.

[exotic tartan]

People are varied and not as dumb as you make them to be
I agree that style is a factor and that people prefer 4o style, but I just don't think it's as black and white as you make it sound

[ocean vortex]

It kinda is though because it's what this benchmark is. It's not trying to be something else. It's measuring human preference elo

[exotic tartan]

yup, and as I said, human prefer not just style, but also accuracy, speed, etc

[keen beacon]

For me when I am talking in my native language on LMArena to the models, I check for grammar since many can have clumsy wordings at times (applies mostly to open-source models / small models). It's quite funny.

[exotic tartan]

Answer A is totally wrong, answer B is less wrong. I prefer B.
Not every question I ask a text based LLM is something I don't know anything about... sometimes the test is asking it about niche subjects i DO know about.

[ocean vortex]

speed they are equalising so mostly not a factor, accuracy... Once again that's way way less of a factor and has less factual weight than in conventional benchmarks. Even if the model output is completely wrong, it still can win the user over to get the vote with sycophancy, style, manipulation (negative strong word but there can be some of that in a sense of it abusing the text that people generally like seeing) or whatever else... 👀

[exotic tartan]

I feel like I'm repeating myself to be honest
It's okay to not agree 🙂

A model can sound as convincing as it wishes... it's easy to spot some hallucinations. Also if you get 2 completely different answers on a subject you know nothing about, picking based on perceived accuracy without you knowing the actual answer is lazy voting

[ocean vortex]

When you are matched with LLMs from same tier, often enough you can be swayed against your best intentions by the factors I already mentioned.

[keen beacon]

That is hilarious

[exotic tartan]

Right, that's why we have thousands of votes and not just 14

[ocean vortex]

It's only natural and what happens kinda by design... when everything evolves around *preference *

[exotic tartan]

Truth is dynamic and subjective 🙂

[ocean vortex]

yeah and even if we don't see them as "poor judges", they will never be as good at assessing accuracy as curated tests with verified answers by industry experts are.

[exotic tartan]

I mean we can go deep into an Adderall debate about life after death, existence of god, belief systems, crypto etc
There are ongoing debates about these subjects with no hard 'truths'

No one can convice me there is or isn't life after death - we just don't know

[ocean vortex]

Ok change of subject, I wonder why OpenAI ditched their yap score for gpt-oss...

[pure anvil]

openai couldn't even release a half usable open weights model, so trash

[ocean vortex]

I agree that the model seems trash mostly, but technically this says differently lmao

#general message

[exotic tartan]

That's why I keep saying benchmarks suck.. feels disconnected from how they act in real life. Also show me the phone that runs OSS lol

[keen fulcrum]

Can lmarena pay more attention to search arena improvements. This area is often neglected

[autumn blaze]

Can anyone help me, I just posted a prompt in the video arena and its more than 30 mins its still showing that its generating yet, Although i have generate 2 videos before and after that stucked prompt i generated one more video everything is fine no errors still its takking a long time, [ I just commanded it that it should be a video of 5 mins ] is that causing error or making it late .

[willow grail]

if gpt5 comes today, how can i access it via sub in europe?

do i need a non-eu cc, or just vpn with german cc?

or vpn only works if i use another one like paypal?

[exotic tartan]

why do you expect usage issues in Europe?

[willow grail]

cause eu?

lol

[wheat onyx]

Not confirmed

https://x.com/OpenInsightss/status/1953262083237396674?s=19

Open Insights (@OpenInsightss)

🚨 All the leaked ChatGPT-5 benchmark’s

X · Aug 7, 2025, 1:09 AM

[ocean vortex]

by going openai.com. Why would Europe be restricted?

[willow grail]

omg do u all live in usa behind a rock in a cave

eu has some ai regulations

[ocean vortex]

I am from Europe

[willow grail]

no idea how easy/hard it is to follow the eu rules

[ocean vortex]

They don't have delays for model releases

only certain features and agents

[willow grail]

sora was delayed a lot

i think o1/o3 too

[ocean vortex]

Well I meant LLMs

[ocean vortex]

It wasn't though?

[willow grail]

these are llms too

[ocean vortex]

I was using it on release

[willow grail]

then u dont eu

[ocean vortex]

I EU

I would know

lol

@willow grail have you ever used OpenAI playground?

Models there get avail as soon as in US, for the most part

[willow grail]

too much money

[ocean vortex]

well... But it's the way to go if you want to test new models.

[willow grail]

i hate testing stuff.. via api

gives me nightmares

[ocean vortex]

Playground is and websites like openrouter are technically API as well. You don't need to know code to be using it tbh

[willow grail]

i mean the money

[ocean vortex]

If you want to simply test a model it is not gonna be expensive usually...

[blissful vine]

how can we choose the model ?

[ocean vortex]

carefully

[quartz light]

https://websim.com/@FilipTheFlop/gpt-5-release-countdown

[blissful vine]

meaning? I want to choose veo3 and runway ?

[quartz light]

is gemini 3 releasing today too?

[prime mulch]

Again same issue 😭

[quartz light]

what browser

[prime mulch]

Chrome

[quartz light]

you should use edge canary

[prime mulch]

I used normally suddenly my session got deleted

[ocean vortex]

I wasn't being serious lol. You can't choose models for video gen. You can't choose them for any battle, only direct chat but not for all

[quartz light]

it has chrome extension support forked from kiwi browser

[quartz light]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details/Microsoft_Edge_Canary?id=com.microsoft.emmx.canary&hl=en_IE&pli=1

[prime mulch]

Is it good?

[quartz light]

yes

[prime mulch]

I got this message suddenly

[quartz light]

it has chrome extension support which is rare

[prime mulch]

Can u try to access lm arena?

[quartz light]

oops i meant https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.emmx.dev

[quartz light]

@echo aurora

PC

thorium

[prime mulch]

So its same for all

[quartz light]

yep

[prime mulch]

Is it a browser

[quartz light]

yes, fastest

[prime mulch]

Are u into genai?

[quartz light]

https://thorium.rocks

https://alpha.lmarena.ai/ works :)

[quartz light]

@prime mulch

[prime mulch]

How is it?

[quartz light]

good, would work as wallpaper for phones

[prime mulch]

Yea i created this

[devout vault]

i cant wait for gpt-5 bro it's releasing today

[prime mulch]

And i have a little wall paper channel but that have no views i wait for growth

[prime mulch]

What about this

This is my masterpiece

[rocky mauve]

What’s the latest ai model available on lmarena?

[prime mulch]

That will change ai era

[quartz light]

https://websim.com/@FilipTheFlop/gpt-5-release-countdown

[gusty helm]

isnt this just a countdown to livestream?

[quartz light]

yes buuuut

[gusty helm]

does not seem official in any means

[quartz light]

it aint

my friend generated

[quartz light]

😭

[devout vault]

"LIVE 5 STREAM"

[gusty helm]

I mean sure, the X post

but the site above seems misleading

[devout vault]

it doesn't

[gusty helm]

ok

[warm fulcrum]

cat?

[quartz light]

lol yes

[warm fulcrum]

wowwwww

[quartz light]

https://chromecat.app/

[bold tiger]

hi

[willow grail]

so i stand right. there wont be gpt5 for europeans.

api is too expensive.

i am right, you loose.

[quartz light]

as a european i found a site with free opus 4.1 within minutes of its release

[willow grail]

not interested into boring stuff

[quartz light]

https://tenor.com/view/speech-bubble-chicken-gif-26197609

[willow grail]

such sites always have side effects

QOL issues.

[torn mantle]

1H LEFT

FOR GPT5 STREAM

😄

[willow grail]

girl?

[rocky mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-clowntoclown-conversation-telepathy-clowns-gif-25167584

[willow grail]

u ok girl?

[quartz light]

1h?

[willow grail]

4 hours..

girl

not 1hour

[quartz light]

yeah

[willow grail]

pls visit doctor

[quartz light]

lol

[torn mantle]

ah

sorry

[willow grail]

@torn mantle pls visit doctor

sory wont send doctor

[quartz light]

wait where does it say 1 hr

[willow grail]

to u

cognitive dissonance asura girl

[quartz light]

https://tenor.com/view/how-bro-felt-after-writing-that-how-bro-felt-alpha-wolf-alpha-alpha-meme-gif-307456636039877895

[willow grail]

no i dont.

i feel trash

[quartz light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1190308681540182038/1332826761460842588/otag_hands.gif

[willow grail]

also asura is a bad server from THE ISLE

they do KOS kill on sight all the time

so annozying

[ocean vortex]

It's not expensive. Are you like from Belarus or smth? That's not EU

[quartz light]

Qwen image gen is pretty good

[stray aspen]

Gpt 5 is almost out

[willow grail]

uhm o3 api is... XD

or gemini 2.5 pro

or opus 4

[ocean vortex]

that's not expensive... I can agree that o1-pro was expensive, but not current price of o3, that's cheap lol

[white hatch]

hell yeaaaaaaaaaah

[willow grail]

no

yeaaaaaaaaaaah

[ocean vortex]

is it a girl?

[willow grail]

ITS A BODYBULDER

[stray aspen]

No

@willow grail how expensive will gpt 5 be

[willow grail]

very

[keen beacon]

Yes.

[willow grail]

via api

[keen beacon]

Then Altman says "This is the way to feel the AGI"

[prime mulch]

Gpt 5 will change the world views about ai

[stray aspen]

The only thing it will.change is my wallet

[keen beacon]

The hallucination levels need to get solved before we can develop any AGI

[quartz light]

y e s.

[prime mulch]

All HAIL AGI

[quartz light]

gggguys just make agi by making it self train on data from internet!!!!!!!....1!!!

[prime mulch]

People don't realise how powerful AI. Will get with agi

[willow grail]

ill just play rail route. wait for gpt5. be disappointed that it still cant make video games.
and continue playing RAIL ROUTE

[stray aspen]

Do you think gpt 5 will be AGI

[quartz light]

no

[prime mulch]

Nah

[keen beacon]

I don't know if that will happen with the LLM architecture though when there are many other ones that are being developed that are far more efficient

[keen beacon]

no

[prime mulch]

It will be one of the powerful llm not agi

[stray aspen]

Let's not overhype i hope it doesn't end up like gpt oss which is absolute garbage

[willow grail]

reread this. there is no hype there

RE READ THIS

[quartz light]

i wonder if they'll have a reasoning mode for it right away

[stray aspen]

He'll yes

[prime mulch]

Yea it have possibility

[trail wagon]

Prompt: generate video with both text about Russia. Duration 8 second

[keen beacon]

I think sam said it will be a hybrid model which can work with reasoning and without it (GPT5)

[quartz light]

wrong channel

[quartz light]

they probably already have it ready but wont release it right away so they can spread out the hype

or something idk

{{☺}}

[keen beacon]

Let's just hope it is a good improvement over gpt4o

[quartz light]

it is

100%

have you seen the leak

[keen beacon]

Yeah but I'd hate it to be as sycophantic

[warm fulcrum]

theres been like 20 leaks already

[keen beacon]

I have seen some

[keen beacon]

I like to keep it as a surprise for myself

[warm fulcrum]

cat?

[quartz light]

yes yes

[warm fulcrum]

what if it needs to poop

does it just go out of frame

[willow grail]

URL NOW

[willow grail]

U

R

L

[quartz light]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1mettre/comment/n6cekdr

[willow grail]

good boy pat pat

[quartz light]

😭

[willow grail]

i am literally complimenting you?!

[quartz light]

😡😡😡😡11!!!!!11!11!

[keen beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-shocked-funny-memes-gif-2651717394134726385

[stray aspen]

@willow grail are you Belarusian

[willow grail]

hell no

[quartz light]

railroutian

[willow grail]

i am croatian

[quartz light]

crowatia

[mortal quest]

GM

[willow grail]

the feel when you realize how much more unlocked stations ther is on the map https://i.imgur.com/WiHsvMO.jpeg

[novel flame]

If GPT-5 actually scores >65 on ARC-AGI 2, that would be significant: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GxthgsDXgAAoW6F?format=jpg&name=large

[willow grail]

oh u think its only 65% or so? ...... i hope its at human baseline

[keen beacon]

only 65% ?

[willow grail]

i am soon dead. i want immortality tech now. i have no time

i am 32

i dont have time for 1% per year

[keen beacon]

Competition will make this speed up, esp with China coming out with real good models

and research

[warm fulcrum]

wow

ngl we need gpt 6 now

[willow grail]

china so far only delivers vomit . from their bad robots who they send to various events and act like its autonomous but its rather just a simple animation baked it to their bad text models nobody uses

[warm fulcrum]

???????

china ontop

[willow grail]

top of what?

[warm fulcrum]

everything

[novel flame]

Please don't feed the trolls.

[willow grail]

how many people die per 1000 residents because china quality is trash?

buildings are made of paper, trains crash daily, bridges crashes, fake robots just doing baked in animation

[keen beacon]

Be mad, troll

[eternal niche]

iphone made in china

[willow grail]

what is wrong about what i said?

[willow grail]

difference is, the company isnt china based

china based companies and ceos will create bad products

if i am a china man i wont care about investing into the product, it can brake down next day. like a big 100 floor building

if i am any other country man i will care about quality

[lime coral]

They ship better models than gpt-oss at least

[willow grail]

uhm its a fact that in china much more things brake down than in usa or europe

and people here telling me china is the chad

🐒

[warm fulcrum]

why so rude against china town

[willow grail]

why u china propaganda?

[warm fulcrum]

no propaganda china ontop

china #1 country

china make new technology everyday

[willow grail]

nono india number one

[warm fulcrum]

india bad

[willow grail]

racist

[echo aurora]

Lets keep conversation focussed on AI and respectful please.

[eternal niche]

lol

[willow grail]

2 hours

[warm fulcrum]

3 hours???????

[willow grail]

INDIA

[stray aspen]

gpt 5 is out in 3 hours

[keen beacon]

SAMA said that the livestream will be longer than usual at 1 hour long

yay

quite exciting

[willow grail]

yeah cause agentic

[stray aspen]

@willow grailare you croatian

[willow grail]

yes

[prime mulch]

I think china will release better version of gpt 5 in opensource after some months

[cedar tide]

the request that is useless at all
https://discord.com/channels/1340554757349179412/1403017053031628913

[stray aspen]

are you serious david

[ocean vortex]

I think it's unlikely China will manufacture it's own chips able to compete with current best anytime soon tbh

[stray aspen]

will we have gpt-5 pro high in the arena

[echo aurora]

Reminder that we are doing a little watch party for the livestream: https://discord.com/events/1340554757349179412/1402720955192705176

[solid brook]

excellent

[ocean vortex]

Not really possible unless they start inventing things themselves

also corruption...

You can't beat competition by constantly trying to replicate whatever they are doing being 2 steps behind

[torn mantle]

i agree

with that

craig

first time

being right

hope not