general

[civic flame]

lol

[blazing bison]

i'm dyslexic

if you want to make fun of it, go on

[rare python]

misoppoturnity to do brian there

[hardy pecan]

zoomer manipulation lmao, interesting to watch

[zinc ore]

Says 1m context on the model card

Outputs up to 192k

[wet sparrow]

hello

[patent aspen]

Jeez that's a lot of resources

[wispy folio]

Hello

[toxic terrace]

w

[civic flame]

thought i'd pass this along before i sleep. this is a benchmark i'm working on that tests a model's ability to find the link between seemingly and often obscure unrelated subjects

goodnight!

[echo aurora]

ty ty

[magic jay]

hello everyone

[wintry tinsel]

The only thing I’m going to make fun of you for is using that dilophosuaurs pop up I see it everywhere, it’s driving me crazy!

[brittle tiger]

https://x.com/emollick/status/1951490900623765724?t=Z4Ck4RVcNAyC8ZmAz5SQUw&s=19

Ethan Mollick (@emollick)

I prompted Gemini 2.5 Deep Think: "create a missile command game that incorporates relativity in realistic ways but is still playable." I then asked it to improve the design a few times.

The full design & all code & calculations came from the AI, each version ran without errors.

X · Aug 2, 2025, 3:51 AM

[elder rapids]

holy

[olive mesa]

supposedly we had gpt 5 for a couple minutes

:/

[zinc ore]

Seconds

[sage stratus]

can we specifically select a video generation model by our own??

or by default it's alwasy going to take two random models??

[echo aurora]

it's two random and there isn't a way to select a specific model

[ruby gull]

Are models removed from direct chat?

[echo aurora]

from video arena? there is no direct chat with VA

[ruby gull]

Resolved, in dc, disable search to get all the models from drop down

[rare python]

Why Claude models are removed the ability to upload image?

[lethal spire]

Hello, I came here to explore the leading models

[shut swan]

Image to video does not work for me, anyone else? I just get, "the application did not respond" message every time I try to use it.

[grand reef]

Yo Can Someone Give Me A List Of Free Ai Image Generators Which Are Free And Unlimited Thanks In Advance

[whole sundial]

it's called https://lmarena.ai, it's got all the models you want

that's the website this discord server is for

[grand reef]

any suggestions other than lmarena

[whole sundial]

why don't you like lmarena

[grand reef]

its great i love it just some suggestions since i am making a list

[cold sparrow]

|| Hi ||

[grand reef]

also sometimes i get this error 'Something went wrong with this response, please try again' any solutions ?

[ocean vortex]

And they are actively trying to make "free or cheaper access" the thing of the past smh

[grand reef]

@ocean vortex gemini's image generation is good right ?

[ocean vortex]

🧐

[blazing juniper]

hi

[ocean vortex]

Yeah it is, though I'm not sure when they last updated it. Chatgpt may be better atm

[grand reef]

yeah gpt's great but has restrictions and limitations i believe

[grand reef]

what do you reckon ?

[ocean vortex]

It's a model (system) with some flaws. SOTA in some areas while being worse than their free model in others

[grand reef]

damn

@ocean vortexgemini's free model has image limitation right

[ocean vortex]

For generating images they are using a seperate finetuned language model. Actually much like chatgpt does it. 2.5Pro can't natively generate images

[grand reef]

@ocean vortexoh i didnt notice that

@ocean vortexLmarena also has image limitations right ?

[unborn ocean]

Very sus

[ocean vortex]

daamn we do need new math benchmarks lol

[timber kiln]

Skywork models aren't bad but that MMLU-Pro is not possible

[ocean vortex]

Maybe IMO though that is also only 6 tasks

oh wait I missed this:

[cyan fjord]

how to generate here on discord

[ocean vortex]

that is not fair though. Fixing their fine-tuning fails with prompting lol

[unborn ocean]

True, their fault, they should bare the consequences…

[grand reef]

whats the ruckus thats happening here

[torn mantle]

let me guess its a chinese model

[ocean vortex]

I doubt it's actually scoring what they claimed there either, let alone cheating. Probably some of Qwen3-235b type of thing where they claimed ~40% on arc-agi but then it was verified to be 11% instead lol

Training on test set or not, this would have been very hard to do to get those numbers in a genuine verifiable way for a 72b usable model.

[tired plaza]

are we getting wan 2.2 for image generation in the arena?

[grand reef]

@tired plazaNo Idea

@ornate agate Lmarena ai has image generation limitation right

guys what do you think of Freepass AI ?

[wheat onyx]

Gpt5 will be standard once its out, they've said they made it much more efficient. Reduced costs mean they'll deprecate old models

[grand reef]

@wheat onyxwish they gave the old models for free or at a cheaper rate

[wheat onyx]

I think they said a low level gpt5 will be free and unlimited

[grand reef]

@wheat onyxhmm but theres going to be a catch

[wheat onyx]

Lower intelligence

[grand reef]

@wheat onyxdo you think they will give us for free ?

[wheat onyx]

They said they would. Considering they said they reduced costs, not surprising

[grand reef]

@wheat onyxlet us wait and see

[wheat onyx]

I have plus anyway

[grand reef]

@wheat onyxgreat

[brittle stratus]

@barren fieldYo Man Dont You Think Its Highly Inappropriate To Ask Someone That And Besides If You Continuously Ask Such Questions The Moderator May Kick You Out

@barren fieldBetter Be Careful Ok

@grand reefwhats Freepass Ai ? Never Heard Of It

[dawn wharf]

imma slime you lil bro, watch your tone

I wanna know too

[brittle stratus]

People these days dont know the proper meaning of internet etiquette

[wheat onyx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/s/5oLZcC84Fs

Too bad law scores so low

69 is pretty meh

[brittle stratus]

@wheat onyxmay i ask whats this

[wheat onyx]

Horizon beta and alpha benchmarks on mmlu pro

[brittle stratus]

@wheat onyxi see

[wheat onyx]

Engineering also not great, sadly

For me, business, law, engineering would be the important ones. Still far from great

It will be interesting December when oai releases their internal reasoner that is a huge jump

That's the one that's good at math, hopefully more than that though

[leaden sun]

what's "other"?

it's understandable for history and law, but why engineering so low tho...

[wheat onyx]

Maybe it's because each component has to operate with other components. One math equation isn't hard, but it's the interopability

Idk

[lone vector]

what company is behind 'dino'?

[brittle stratus]

@lone vectorMETA I believe

@lone vectorwhat do you think about lmarena ai ?

[wheat onyx]

I don't expect anything decent out of meta in near term

[brittle stratus]

all right i am leaving bye guys GOODBYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GOODBYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Peace Out Brothers

bye bye

byeeeeeee

[ocean vortex]

Maverick deep think. Cons@1024 prompting

Would be a fitting thing to do for them. Just throw money at it. 😇

[barren prairie]

Oxaam 😆

[ocean vortex]

I wonder what it was for Gemini gold medal run...

it's not literally cons, but for reference, o3-preview used 1024 instances. o3-pro uses smth like 10

DeepThink is probably 128+

At least judging by model availability

[torn mantle]

trying to hack me?

but you cant

🙂‍↔️

[barren prairie]

But I don t know if but for 1 hour only not forever .

[ocean vortex]

what I don't understand is why they don't release Ultra. Surely they can find a benchmark or 2 to sell it.

Especially considering that they are trying to sell DeepThink with only 3

I mean a standard model with no parallel compute

just simply Ultra. Without DeepThink

[torn mantle]

we have a hacker here

we have a HACKER

RUN

[ocean vortex]

@barren field

[keen beacon]

Calm down. Why so uptight?

[pulsar tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/rocco-botte-rocco-botte-hacker-hack-gif-14810330

[ocean vortex]

Well they are not giving people what they want. No one wants 10 rpd for $300

[pulsar tendon]

ok time for bed

[keen beacon]

Okay? I'll use AI if I want to. Keep complaining

[pulsar tendon]

ok champ

[keen beacon]

You're so funny. What about all the funding? Billions of dollars into it

So? It's developing every year to be something more. Gen AI is a really young technology.

Keep yapping

I have used all providers by now.

Deal with it

I don't code.

Oh buddy buddy

Bro bro bro

It seems you're just a troller with a bus as a pfp. Accept that AI is ahead of you

Bye bye

I'm not a mod here?

Byeee

[rare python]

<@&1349916362595635286> ban them

[keen beacon]

@echo aurora

[keen beacon]

You're so sad honestly.

[dawn wharf]

imma slime you lil bro, watch your tone

[civic flame]

what's going on here lol

[keen beacon]

Harassment

[tribal aspen]

oh?

[civic flame]

great

"idgaf about your server"

spends his time getting mad at everyone

lol

[dawn wharf]

imma slime you lil bro, watch your tone

the sliming begins

[keen beacon]

Boo hoo

[civic flame]

oops

wrong paste"

[flint tartan]

hes popular on yt bro
damn bro is cool

[civic flame]

L

[keen beacon]

Sad that he is like this IRL

[dawn wharf]

the ultimate troll

[rare python]

wow

all message deleted

[civic flame]

i can tell bro is like 12

[wheat onyx]

they'll have something worthwhile eventually. Near term is nothing though

[rare python]

Wait did the mods ban him?

[civic flame]

no

he's still in the server

he's just scared clearly

[rare python]

How can bro mass delete his message so fast lol

[civic flame]

cringe

hell nah

[rare python]

@echo aurora this user is bothering me in DM

[torn mantle]

what happened

what did i miss

lol

[rare python]

lunatic

[civic flame]

wonderful human being

[torn mantle]

what the helly

[torn mantle]

kinda cute that he just discovered assembly

[civic flame]

he's so lonely he's looking for a fight to make him feel better about himself

lol

[ocean vortex]

This is X. A sign of Elon

[ocean vortex]

bruh

[wraith wolf]

Yeah I Been Noticing Bruh Has Been Bothering jacob fisherhawk and gobi45

[civic flame]

lol

[leaden sun]

They probably aim at specific crowd like the quants/finance maths guys sitting at the bouquet investment firms, they can easily afford that and they do advanced finance maths problems, just my guess

[wraith wolf]

Bruh has gone mad

bruh has been driving the bus for a long time

[keen beacon]

How about you just leave this server and stop embarrassing yourself?

[wraith wolf]

he needs to stop the bus and fill the gas

[ocean vortex]

Those are typically nowhere near invested that much into AI to even know wtf DeepThink is lol

[wraith wolf]

simply pointing out others capital and claming THATS YOU!!! THATS YOU!!!!

oh by the way hi guys thanks for inviting me here

[keen beacon]

The bus is mad.

[ocean vortex]

"is it like o4-mini?" would be a typical question once you mention that to them lmao

[keen beacon]

It's a conflict here rn

[wheat onyx]

<@&1349916362595635286> I think you're needed

[wraith wolf]

@ocean vortexwhat you guys discussing

[keen beacon]

A troller

Bully

[wraith wolf]

@barren field bruh being a bruh

[ocean vortex]

bruh

[wraith wolf]

man what a day a fight i thought this would be a peaceful place to discuss ai stuff and its technical aspects

bruh gone mad

[keen beacon]

Just leave, Lil bus

[leaden sun]

From my own experience, they do, but it’s difficult to generalise for all.

[rare python]

@echo aurora the proof

[wraith wolf]

to tell you the truth bruh is enjoying this at the end of the day this will all be part of a nostalgic moment

[ocean vortex]

People typically do not go out of their way to stay in the loop on things AI. It's a very niche market for people being informed and committed enough to have a $300 sub

with 10rpd

we need to ban @barren field

bruh

[wraith wolf]

Dom's Great really interested in technical stuff just goes to show how even in time of a fight he stays cool

uhh what happened no ones talking ?

[ocean vortex]

banned

[wraith wolf]

who ?

[dawn wharf]

bro's a menace

[wraith wolf]

hey lets all make a friendly pact and forget this ever happened

what do you all say

a deal ?

[dawn wharf]

imma slime you lil bro, watch your tone

[sour spindle]

I literally just got tagged and told to shut up by bruh and I haven’t even posted anything lol

[dawn wharf]

okay, you're getting slimed

[wraith wolf]

hey lets all make a friendly pact and forget this ever happened
what do you all say
a deal? just think about it guys please

like civilized people

[dawn wharf]

what do I get in return

[wraith wolf]

let us stop wasting time engaging in these useless fights and start discussing about ai stuff

please guys

[dawn wharf]

when will gpt 5 release

[wraith wolf]

@dawn wharfmaybe mid august or next month who knows we need to wait

@autumn nacelleyo freepass ai is good check it out

bruh come on

[echo aurora]

Okay stop pls

[tall summit]

it's not

[wraith wolf]

after all that we said and a friendly pact we made you still want to fight why

@tall summitreason ?

[tall summit]

infinite lag

never works

[wraith wolf]

@tall summitany other recommendations

@tall summityou are right its 50 50 it may work or not work the prompt should follow its protocols thats all

[wraith wolf]

also qwen is free right now ?

i think bruh left ?

[rare python]

banned

[wraith wolf]

@rare pythonoh ok

[keen beacon]

Yay

[wraith wolf]

so now ?

[echo aurora]

Wow so my alarm literally just went off. Who needs an alarm when you’ve got mod pings?

[wraith wolf]

@echo auroraoh hi there

you must be the moderator around here

guys ?

[gentle plinth]

grok4 been generating for 2 hours, would be nice if an error could be thrown if something failed

[wraith wolf]

@gentle plinthoh lol

need to go just want to put out here you guys are the best and keep doing what you are doing you all are the best bye

[wheat onyx]

we don't know for sure. I believe they said early Aug. OAI has an event in the upcoming week, but it could be solely for open source

[ashen copper]

How many videos make per day?

[hoary elbow]

Is it true that Grok 4 is just Grok 2 in LM Arena because when I spoke to it, it told me *I'm Grok, powered by the Grok-2 model from xAI. It's our latest and greatest (as of my last update), trained on a massive dataset to be helpful, truthful, and a tad irreverent. We're not based on models from other companies—xAI is all about building from scratch to push the boundaries of AI for understanding the universe.

If you're curious about specifics like architecture, training data, or how I compare to others (spoiler: I'm biased, but I'll be honest), just ask! What else is on your mind? 🚀*

[stray aspen]

we dont know the API is a bit weird

in yupp ai it says it is grok 4

[hoary elbow]

That’s weird,

[echo aurora]

8

[gentle plinth]

does anyone have access to gemini deepthink?

if so, and you havent used your 5 prompts per day yet, i have something to try out

[wheat onyx]

i think gemini 3 is expected in the next 30 days as well

that will be another to watch closely

[barren prairie]

5rpd yestaerday it was 10?? Did Google reduces it ?

[gentle plinth]

Not sure. Some guy on hacker news said he could only try it 5 times yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44757363

foundry27

I started doing some experimentation with this new Deep Think agent, and after five prompts I reached my daily usage limit. For $250 USD/mo that’s what you’ll be getting folks.It’s just bizarrely uncompetitive with o3-pro and Grok 4 Heavy. Anecdotally (from my experience) this was the one feature that enthusiasts in the AI community were i...

Hacker News · Aug 1, 2025, 2:31 PM

Honestly I would rather pay 2$ per prompt then 250$ per month with these limits

[wheat onyx]

finetuned deepseek

[stray aspen]

can you send me the link

[wheat onyx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1mf8pdo/china_report_the_finetune_deepseek_scientific

[stray aspen]

thanks brother

[kindred adder]

do you think British food is bad ?

[dawn wharf]

imma slime you lil bro, watch your tone

[kindred adder]

slime away

[kindred adder]

What wordly foods have you tried ?

[dawn wharf]

Mediterranean, aka the best food on planet Earth

[kindred adder]

thats a big area , what type, Spanish, Moroccan Lebanese Israeli Turkish

Greek Italian, Corsican , Maltase,

[stray aspen]

why is you rprofile a ukrainian wales

[kindred adder]

Because

[echo aurora]

let's keep discussion focussed on AI pls.

[barren prairie]

I wouldn t pay for such scam 😶

[keen fulcrum]

Can someone log in with wechat and send a high resolution image?

[torn mantle]

finetuned on o3 and gemini outputs

not really

gemini are more factually correct

o3 hallucinates a lot

[wheat onyx]

one of the things about GPT5 that is supposed to be a big deal - significantly reduced hallucinations

I think the reasoning will be better, but not mindblowing. The reduced hallucinations, reduced cost, and auto switching are basically the whole deal

And then the BIG reasoning model comes in Decemberish

[balmy mist]

anything new?

[tame horizon]

Sorry to ask what site this is, can you share it?

[keen fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1397655695150682194/1401230303279845386/lmarena-video-1.mp4?ex=688f84e9&is=688e3369&hm=9a22a0d6c26bba27472cd45ecc358b3fcc8cf571db690dae0b1ebefd7c3ded2c&

Look at this

[wheat onyx]

Yes it will be o4. Don't think it's a huge jump though

[meager lintel]

@patent aspen any news on Gemini 3? 👀

[sour spindle]

I think I’m going to like the model routing if that’s a component of gpt-5

I sometimes over rely on the reasoning model when a simpler model is better

[gentle plinth]

Some people claim it solved some hard problems from their master thesis. So if it really is as good as claimed, I wouldn't call it a scam

[stray aspen]

its lmarena

[gentle plinth]

Model also got gold in math (same as the other non released Google model)

[wheat onyx]

it is

GPT5 is an improved reasoner + non reasoner with model routing, and verification (reduced hallunications).

We have been told that the reasoner improvements arent MASSIVE. It seems there are big improvements in coding though

If better than Claude, Anthropic could be in trouble. That's their competitive advantage. Someone like Apple might buy them

[nova panther]

they're not for sale, they'll just fine tune a new version of claude

[wheat onyx]

if they can push out another better version, that would be enough

[nova panther]

they can. do you know who the guy that owns anthropic is?

[wheat onyx]

not sure how that's relevant?

[nova panther]

1. he's the ex-president of openAI 2. he's a better researcher than Sam 3. He's creating AI's, claude and others, because he's an AI doomer and this is how he's fighting to make sure the AI doesn't destroy us all

he's not for sale

[wheat onyx]

that may be, but Claude is very behind. Their announced release schedule is slow, very slow. They just announced funding with ME countries after previously refusing to.

Coding is their only way to keep subscriptions. So if they can't push out another model that beats GPT5, they either need more funding than they already requested, or a sale

[nova panther]

that' doesn't matter. claude doesn't exist because anthropic wants to make money with it

they're just happy to let you use it and give them money

[wheat onyx]

And if they can't support their servers, salaries, etc?

[nova panther]

oh they can

[wheat onyx]

How?

[nova panther]

Anthropic is a privately held company, and its ownership is distributed among several investors. Google and Amazon are significant minority stakeholders, having invested billions of dollars in the company. Additionally, a variety of venture capital firms, including Menlo Ventures, have also invested in Anthropic. Anthropic itself is structured as a public benefit corporation, which aims to create public and social good alongside its business operations.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Founders:
.
Anthropic was founded by Dario Amodei and Daniela Amodei.
Google's Investment:
.
Google has invested over $2 billion in Anthropic and holds a significant minority stake, which court documents revealed to be 14%, according to Data Center Dynamics.
Amazon's Investment:
.
Amazon has also invested heavily in Anthropic, initially investing $1.25 billion and later completing a $4 billion investment.
Venture Capital:
.
Various venture capital firms have invested in Anthropic, with Menlo Ventures being a notable example.
Public Benefit Corporation:
.
Anthropic's structure as a public benefit corporation ensures a focus on creating public good alongside its commercial activities.

they don't need users

[wheat onyx]

It's ARR is $5B, expected to go to $9b (with being best at coding), with $3B expected burn

They are currently doing more funding rounds because they need money

[nova panther]

notice this sentence "Anthropic's structure as a public benefit corporation ensures a focus on creating public good " <--- that's the anti-AI driving force of the company. remember I said he was an AI doomer?

[wheat onyx]

You understand they can't keep a company existing just because of its focus?

[nova panther]

small businesses and small start ups do funding rounds because they need money. larger ones have a different reason. and google is a MINORITY stake holder

[nova panther]

you understand that they aren't a cmpany with the intent to make money?

[wheat onyx]

yes. They still REQUIRE cash

[nova panther]

openAI has microsoft - anthropic has google. if they wanted to put openAI out of business, it would be

if they feel the new chatGPT is a threat to claude, claude will suddenly improve

[wheat onyx]

yes, this is the only way to viability in its current form

everything else is noise

[nova panther]

you make the mistake of thinking that they care if they make money, or not. they don't need to make money, their partners will fund whatever's necessary. making money is NOT why they exist and selling a product is just a sidethought for their real reason for being in business.

[wheat onyx]

They expect $3b in burn, down from $5b. They had $5b ARR but expect $9b.

So if GPT5 beats it, burn should be more like $10b, and they have only raised 14b in total (and currently doing funding rounds of ~$3b

[wheat onyx]

and what happens when they run out of cash?

[nova panther]

so? and they won't

understand that - they won't

[wheat onyx]

it's the only thing that matters

[nova panther]

not a chance. apple tries that, google and amazon will walk on them

[wheat onyx]

"If they run out of cash, they cant operate"

"Yes, but they dont want to make profit"

???

[nova panther]

you guys have got to step back and stop thinking that the reason every single company goes into business is to make money. i'ts not

[wheat onyx]

i dont think you understand fundamental cash flow

[nova panther]

i don't think you actually understand the world and how things work. you will learn

[wheat onyx]

i have -$100T, but it's ok, i dont want profit

[nova panther]

i hope it's not too hard a lesson

[wheat onyx]

im sure my employees continue to work for me, my suppliers continue to supply me for free

they can short term, as long as they don't run out of runway

[nova panther]

why did they operate for years, without making a profit, before you ever found out about them?

[wheat onyx]

THEY HAD RUNWAY

0 cash = 0 existence

"i'm a non-profit, i plan on having negative 100 billion dollars in the bank. It's ok, my suppliers will continue to sell me GPUS, servers, rent, etc. for free"

[nova panther]

they did not. runway was founded by some of the Eluther people - who were loosely collected together into an incubator that turned into stability.ai

[wheat onyx]

......

cash runway

[nova panther]

nope

[wheat onyx]

????

you know what, you're right. The suppliers gave them everything for free

[nova panther]

in fact, openAI is SUPPOSED to be, with legal paperwork, a NON-PROFIT

[wheat onyx]

you don't understand what non-profit means

[nova panther]

which is why Elon, who founded it with sam, is suing sam

[nova panther]

okay child. once you reach the age of 15, maybe you'll get a clue

[wheat onyx]

FYI - non-profits still have accounting teams, CFOs, and still need cash to exist

[wheat onyx]

I was a financial auditor of primarily non-profits for 3 years...

guess what happens when those non-profits don't get funding to cover their expenses? Wild guess?

[brave orbit]

bro you ilke windows more linux is Much Better

[wheat onyx]

Lol

[wicked dome]

Hello

Whats yalls fav chatbot model

[tight silo]

2.5 pro

[wicked dome]

Mines 4o

[nimble trail]

2.5 pro

[wicked dome]

Gemini got popular eh

[nimble trail]

yeah it's free

[wicked dome]

2.5 pro isnt free, only on lmarena its free

My English broke for a second

[nimble trail]

bro on google api studio it's basically free.

the only thing they take from you is like data or smt

[wicked dome]

I cant access ai studio 😔

[nimble trail]

Vro

Why? your country is not eligible?

[wicked dome]

Nah not 18

[nimble trail]

ohhh

better borrow your parents account then

[wicked dome]

Haha

My dad tried using ai studio but he dont know how

He uses the gemini assistant almost daily

[nimble trail]

or create a new account that is 18+ so you can use it

[wicked dome]

You have to verify with id

[wheat onyx]

https://x.com/sama/status/1951695003157426645?s=19

Sam Altman (@sama)

we have a ton of stuff to launch over the next couple of months--new models, products, features, and more.

please bear with us through some probable hiccups and capacity crunches. although it may be slightly choppy, we think you'll really love what we've created for you!

X · Aug 2, 2025, 5:22 PM

[wicked dome]

Yay

[ocean vortex]

He felt the need to hype a bit after Gemini release huh

[knotty rapids]

Hello everyone

[cobalt minnow]

The videos are so good

[barren prairie]

Gemini , deepSeek and Glm4.5

[barren prairie]

Give the money to a math teacher and he will help you 😅faster and better

[humble oyster]

I want to ask a question about, is lmarena free forever in the future? Like it's image model video model discord also?

[fleet lintel]

is this about GPT5?
https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1mg0m1u/screenshoted_it_right_before_it_got_deleted_back/

?

[blazing bison]

?

[azure meadow]

when will the video leaderboard be released

[ocean vortex]

Deep think can think for much longer than standard 2.5, even singular model instance

[blazing bison]

This is total output thinking + final answer, and it's not always this value l

[blazing bison]

Yeah prob can think more than 50k, i used the 50k information bcs of a answer on a x post

[ocean vortex]

final response is usually shorter of the 2

[blazing bison]

Not for math proofs

Or code

[ocean vortex]

For math proofs as well. Thinking is much longer lol

[blazing bison]

I can't talk about it, there is no public information about it

[ocean vortex]

It will very rarely output more than like 20k in a final response. Thinking however, that's a different beast...

[blazing bison]

The only one is that it's think for atleast 50k

If it thinks more idk

[ocean vortex]

judging by everything thus far, it does. They derived it from the system competing at IMO and increased their usual output caps

[blazing bison]

Yes, you're prob right

Anyway it's not worth $250

For 10 prompts

And if you're out of us just 5

[ocean vortex]

yeah that is for sure

On top of that, they are capping standard 2.5Pro usage if you pay $250. But are not capping it if you use that for free on aistudio

lmao

[blazing bison]

Aistudio is for data collection

Its more valuable than money I think

For them atleast

[ocean vortex]

I think they are collecting data on gemini website the same way...?

Just like chatgpt is

[blazing bison]

There is no opt out?

[ocean vortex]

Dunno, but I'm fairly sure by default they collect all your data even if you pay $250

and also cap your 2.5Pro usage

it's a sub for suckers

I suppose you can't blame them for collecting easy revenue from people not knowing any better, but still...

[blazing bison]

💀

[sacred quail]

AI studio was always a weird thing, and always it will be

@ocean vortex can i use 2.5 deep think on vertex ?

or need mobile/wep app?

Do you know something about that

[haughty siren]

Is GLM-4.5 getting added?

[wheat onyx]

Hieroglyphics measures links between two seemingly unrelated subjects. That's useful, and gpt5 is a big jump

I wish these benchmarks benched compared to humans avg so we know where to at least try to get to and surpass

[tame horizon]

Dude, it's different from what I use. It's not the same, sorry, I think you would notice, it has new buttons and a white interface with new buttons

[stray aspen]

sorry i thought you meant the website of this server

the website in that image is yupp.ai

[torn mantle]

thanks to @civic flame

https://x.com/synthwavedd/status/1951645151203324099

leo 🐈 (@synthwavedd)

I'm excited to introduce Hieroglyph, a new benchmark for lateral reasoning. Hieroglyph measures a model's ability to identify the link between seemingly unrelated and often niche subjects.

On the 20-question set of the hardest Only Connect questions, no model scores above 50%.

X · Aug 2, 2025, 2:03 PM

its a good one

[stray aspen]

thats crazy

[civic flame]

oh hi

[neat apex]

Helo

[jolly raven]

How many videos and images can you generate per day?

[echo aurora]

8

[jolly raven]

There is a specific limit and how do you use veo3?

[echo aurora]

It's currently in battle mode, there isn't an ability to directly request

[civic flame]

https://x.com/synthwavedd/status/1951662161387790591

leo 🐈 (@synthwavedd)

@Porpoisin This is something I'm currently working on, but my current figure is ~65%

X · Aug 2, 2025, 3:11 PM

[jolly raven]

Sorry for my video, I didn't know that nfsw

[jolly raven]

And the images, what is their limit?

What kind of clothing should a character have so that he/she is not nfsw?

[echo aurora]

I'd say to just use your best judgement

[jolly raven]

I understand, but the girl wasn't that noticeable, but anyway, what is the limit of images?

Can the bot be used as an image generator in a private chat?

[echo aurora]

No you won't be able to use the bot in private chat or other server atm, but this may change, any feedback for the bot should be shared in #bot-feedback

[jolly raven]

Okey

Good app

[wheat onyx]

You're great, keep doing you

[rare flame]

Love LM Arena

[jolly raven]

Good image generator

[pseudo hemlock]

erm

what is horizon-alpha

[verbal nimbus]

Interesting, I thought it was just using the transcript? I didn't see resolution or fps controls.

[hollow imp]

I don't understand the fps thingy. It's an ai so it will process every frame in the video like us humans right then what's the point of fast fps

[sacred quail]

More fps means analyzing more frame per second so it also means can analyze more sensitive

Could be useful for sport videos

Could be useful for sensitive time stamps

Could be useful for analyzing face mimics

Could be useful for gaming videos also

Think like gemini's default fps is 1

He is trying playing games with 1 fps

its enough for mostly videos but you can increase if you need more sensitive analyzing

[warm violet]

hello there!

[echo aurora]

[leaden sun]

finally some people have realised to test this on frontier models 😊 about time… I’ve been testing it on my own way and thought opus might score much higher compared to the rest…

[terse gale]

hello

[west pike]

hey, why i cant load chats and ai models?

[civic flame]

yeah broken for me too

cc @echo aurora

[ionic idol]

Is Lmarena web app discontinued

[radiant rampart]

Hi. What happened with my dialogues?

[west pike]

<@&1349916362595635286>

[rich compass]

ябутаzomбища🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️

[narrow dawn]

bruh

it doesn't works

and all my chats are gone

[radiant rampart]

btw it's my second time with this problem

but after a month, lol

[narrow dawn]

ye but my chats are gone i had like 7 chats what were important and 1 new one what i need

[west pike]

maybe is ddos?

[narrow dawn]

idk

[brave orbit]

no it isnt a ddos lmarena sitll works

its not a ddos

[narrow dawn]

yesterday i couldn't open

[radiant rampart]

I had many of these too(

[brave orbit]

clear you browser cookies

you browser cookies may be why

[narrow dawn]

why cant i have my chats

[dusky aurora]

outage,probably

[brave orbit]

just clear you browser cookies but you can not get you chats back no not a outage its not a ddos

its not a outage

[prime mulch]

What happen to lm arena

[icy orbit]

Does anyone know if it is possible to generate photos larger than 1:1?

[brave orbit]

wait it is a ddos

wahat

what

[west pike]

ddos of api lmarena

[prime mulch]

I can't accept terms

And my chat was gone

[brave orbit]

its a outage

[prime mulch]

I know a way for flux

[brave orbit]

ping admins to fix it

use @ on admins

[narrow dawn]

i accepted but it says that

[brave orbit]

@echo aurora fix lmarena now

[icy orbit]

can you tell me how?

[brave orbit]

ping pineapple hes the only one that can fix it

[narrow dawn]

@echo aurora

fix it

[prime mulch]

U need to upload black screen shot of the aspect Ratio you need then give a prompt

[brave orbit]

@pineapple do it it should fix it

every one i want to you to ping pineapple

ping pineapple hes the only guy who can fix it

@echo aurora fix it now i losted all my chats

[radiant rampart]

@echo aurora we need ur help!!

[brave orbit]

all do @pineapple

[radiant rampart]

And there is no way to restore them?

[brave orbit]

yeah

[west pike]

#1343291835845578853

[brave orbit]

bro is pineapple sleeping right now pls read you dms

@echo aurora help us

pineapple may be sleeping

but we need our help i losted all my chats

@echo aurora pls fix lmarena now

<@&1343285058303168532>

any admins activate right now

do @Admin

to alert admins

do something admins

DO SOMETHING NOW

<@&1343285058303168532>

do something

admins

admins come online

do something

[narrow dawn]

btw who is the owner of LMArena

[unborn ocean]

Chill out, last time people lost their chats they were gone for good

[brave orbit]

LMArena is a privately held company founded by researchers from UC Berkeley. The co-founders are:

[unborn ocean]

So there might not be a way they can help

[brave orbit]

Anastasios N. Angelopoulos – Co-founder and CEO
Wei-Lin Chiang – Co-founder and CTO
Ion Stoica – Co-founder and Chairman thats the only owners

but admins in discord may help

<@&1343285058303168532>

<@&1343285058303168532> Help

[radiant rampart]

Well, at least let them try to revive the Arena

[brave orbit]

just ping the only way is just everyone to do @Admin

<@&1343285058303168532> We Need Our Help

[narrow dawn]

<@&1343285058303168532>

[brave orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-marvin-aww-man-the-power-went-out-power-went-out-power-outage-gif-17734916749140836895

[west pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252712045409992807/1322606184762704022/quality_server_upal.gif

[brave orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/server-down-alert-gif-14391847562283027276

[dusky aurora]

like i said,outage

[brave orbit]

<@&1343285058303168532> Fix

[ocean vortex]

No chance

[brave orbit]

admins come online Now

come online admins you re sleeping

[dusky aurora]

poor admins must be getting so many pings

[brave orbit]

and dont use video arena since its going make it worst since yeah

[ocean vortex]

you need to pay $250 to receive a chance to maybe perhaps be able to use it (10 rpd)

[brave orbit]

dont use video arena its going make it worst

[radiant rampart]

It's coming alive for me a bit.

[brave orbit]

yes admins you re the best

THANKS

YOU RE THE BEST

[dusky aurora]

for me it was temporary

[dense sphinx]

Why Lmarena not working?

[brave orbit]

bro admins you dont prank by makeig it up then DOWN

[dense sphinx]

Mine is not working saying 'check later' or 'rate exceeded'

[brave orbit]

Admins bro you fix it make it down fix it now

dont prank us

[dense sphinx]

Admins?

What you mean?

[short sluice]

me too

[dense sphinx]

Русский?

[brave orbit]

<@&1343285058303168532> thisnt cannot not be true fix lmarena its api is down now

<@&1343285058303168532> yo come online pls

[dense sphinx]

Please Admin LMarena is suffering!

[brave orbit]

Admins its online but dont Prank us again

[dense sphinx]

This cursed DDOS hackers.

[zinc tree]

hello lm

[old ginkgo]

I did that. I was paid for it.

[wheat onyx]

https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openais-gpt-5-shines-coding-tasks

https://archive.is/TYCP0

[golden ocean]

im shaking and crying rn

[brave orbit]

admins <@&1343285058303168532> add cloudflare ddos protection or something or add azure ddos protection or something that does all and fixs it

[eager crag]

huh? is there an outage right now?

[naive inlet]

As I figured out it is

[eager crag]

i don't feel the outage, though.

[naive inlet]

AIs got inaccessible

And my chats are gone now

[eager crag]

i used AI just a few minutes ago, it was all fine.

oh.

nevermind, it really is an outage

[leaden sun]

it's fine on my end...is there a status page for lmarena?

[eager crag]

i don't know. but if there isn't, they should add it

[ocean vortex]

got excited for a sec for this article but it's a bit of nothing burger tbh...

Didn't say anything really new and didn't even confirm nor deny the existing rumors

went as far as to still consider router as an option lol

which I don't think gpt5 will be that

Honestly I think o3 with internet access could come up with such article...

[eager crag]

i wish there was a way to have infinite uses for Gemini CLI

or at least alot of uses

because the way i do it, has a not-so-big quota

[brave orbit]

yes they fixed it admins

[summer valley]

I still can't see my old chats, and every other time I visit the site, the model list is empty. So, it hasn't been fixed for me yet.

[naive inlet]

Same

[wheat onyx]

Whole article in a nutshell "But the most notable improvement comes in software engineering,.... the person who’s used it said."

[dusky pier]

They already have the cloudflare protection

[potent snow]

did grok update their image model?

[wheat onyx]

Food for thought:

OAI isn't releasing its internal imo gold reasoner for months, and it is likely better than geminis.

However, the gemini internal reasoner may be what we see in August with gemini 3. So we could see some really impressive reasoning from Google ai this month

I'll be watching, there's quite a lot I would be doing with this like

Product engineering R&D and contract law

They're all okish at the moment, not great. I'll be trying using both

Both are imo gold, but gemini was given assistance for it, while oais wasn't. That's why I think it would be

But again, gemini 3 which is coming many months before then, might be that model

Yup that's true

Either way, if gem 3 is that model, should be a big push, and I'll be very interested in it

[civic flame]

Grok 4 performed on-par with GPT-5 Reasoning (Med) on Hieroglyph

[wheat onyx]

Did you test with other gpt5 (high) or grok heavy? Just curious

I think gemini 3 is pretty imminent, appears to be at least

[civic flame]

didn't have access to High (will update gpt-5's score once I have it), and Grok 4 Heavy doesn't have an API yet

[raven helm]

How did you get an API for GPT-5?

[wheat onyx]

They give access to certain individuals. Leo may have said he wants to test on benchmark?

[raven helm]

Oh wow, so they just give out APIs of unreleased models to certain people if they just ask and have a proven track record?

Why didn’t they just release it already at this point

[wheat onyx]

Idk leo can confirm. But yeah we know they've given it to other companies, tool makers, etc. During prerelease

[raven helm]

But that’s just annoying at this point

Plus now the need to follow the EU legislation

[wheat onyx]

It probably just means it'll be in the next few days. It's not going to be given like months in advance to tons of companies

[raven helm]

If they did it before August 3 they could’ve released it to the EU but now I think it will be in localized regions (correct me if I’m wrong)

[wheat onyx]

I heard something like that, unsure if true or not

[raven helm]

And why do you think xAI isn’t sharing an API for Grok 4 Heavy (maybe Heavy costs which they don’t wanna show)

Actually?

They just gave it out for free to influencers

🙃

[wheat onyx]

Or can you draw a remote control

People just focusing on graphic design

Maybe because it's easiest to understand as someone without any knowledge for anything deeper

And easy to visualize obviously

[raven helm]

I think it’s really just them trying to test it’s coding ability

*abilities

Fair

[wheat onyx]

I'm designing a product using ai, and we're just about to start testing stages. Ai did a really great job seemingly. Testing will find out how it is in actuality

But I want to see what the new AIs think (better approach, techniques, etc)

[raven helm]

What type of product is it? (Software, hardware etc.)

[wheat onyx]

90% hardware, with some software (currently no software is designed, just the architecture plan)

[raven helm]

Ok, nice. But quick question: do you think LMArena should add system prompts that users can add or edit

[wheat onyx]

Idk

But Leo's benchmark indicates that I'll get really good advice from gpt5 regarding the product I'm making. It's many interoperable components, which is kind of what he's testing. So curious to see what it sees differently

[raven helm]

What benchmark was that?

Which he was testing on

[woven surge]

Hello everyone

[raven helm]

Hello!!

[woven surge]

I'm new here

[raven helm]

Nice, how much experience do you have with AI?

[woven surge]

Why your skin looks like Minecraft

[raven helm]

idk, I made that when I was younger

[woven surge]

I don't know about the knowledge I have but I have been using chatgpt since the last year

Can you accept my friend request

[raven helm]

Nice, just for some information. I’ve been using AI before ChatGPT, and I am really interested in it!

[woven surge]

Wait I will be back in a min

[raven helm]

K!

[woven surge]

I'm back

Looks like u have left

[raven helm]

Sorry

I had to go do something

[raven helm]

Are you still here

?

[woven surge]

No need to sorry

We r friends

I would like you to add me as we both are interested in AI

[raven helm]

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Do you know what that is used for?

[woven surge]

What is this

[raven helm]

It is a prompt you can send to most AIs and it gets them to reveal their System Prompt

[woven surge]

System prompt meaning?

[raven helm]

It tells an AI how to act

[woven surge]

Ok...

[raven helm]

For example, system prompt of ChatGPT:

[dense sphinx]

Master DJ is LMarena fixed?

Is it ddos or what?

[raven helm]

It was broken?

[neon idol]

Who is the best ai image generator in your opinion?

[raven helm]

gpt-image-1

[dense sphinx]

Yeah it said user rate limited

[raven helm]

Next being Imagen 4

[woven surge]

What about midjourney

[raven helm]

Oh

[neon idol]

Seedream?

[raven helm]

It’s outdated at this point

[woven surge]

Oh ok

Bye guys I have to go

[raven helm]

Yeah, I’ve been testing it out and it does seem to be a really good model. The only reason I don’t mention it is because I haven’t concluded testing.

[raven helm]

Bye!

If I had included, it probably be number two and then number three would be Imagen

If I’m not mistaken, I also think they had a killer video generater

[neon idol]

I have tested it. In the first moment was a rrally good model but idk why in these months is being really weird and orrible

[raven helm]

They’re probably changing it or maybe you’re just getting very unlucky with the seeds

Is it good at graphics design?

[neon idol]

No it is terrible

[raven helm]

Oh wow,

[neon idol]

It focalize on realism

[raven helm]

Ohhh, that’s why it wasn’t really good at the stuff I normally tested at

Thanks for telling!

[neon idol]

😂

[neon idol]

Np

[raven helm]

When do you think they’re gonna release GPT5?

[neon idol]

In august

Like 15-20

[raven helm]

I swear at this point, they’re just hyping it

Earlier in the chat, someone shared that they already had access to the API

He has the medium version

[neon idol]

Opena ai said that they Will realese GPt 5 in august

[raven helm]

I know, but at this point, they should’ve released it before August 3 because now they need to follow the EU legislation meaning most people in the EU won’t be able to access it or they’ll need to use a VPN

Almost like Operator

[dense sphinx]

I just hope LMarena will work because your Site is amazing

I really hope it will be fixed.

[raven helm]

I know! I really like the new website design. I just wish they added some other features

[neon idol]

Yeah I think that gpt5 is doing like gta 6 💀

[raven helm]

🙃

But apparently the median version is going to be as good as Grok 4 heavy

[raven helm]

.

[neon idol]

I have tested grok 4 but in my opinion gemini 2.5 pro is still the best

[raven helm]

Yea, were you able to test the heavy version or the normal?

[neon idol]

Normal

On lm arena because i am poor lol

[raven helm]

Hehe

at this point if they just add a login/sign up, I’m gonna switch to just using LMArena

The only things they don’t have are they really really really expensive ones

[neon idol]

Fr

[neon idol]

Not True for example they have o3 pro

[raven helm]

They don’t

[neon idol]

No?

[raven helm]

Unless I’m stupid and I haven’t checked it

[neon idol]

No you are right

They have o3 but not o3 pro

[raven helm]

Yep

[neon idol]

Best video generator in your opinion?

[wheat onyx]

Oai is releasing a product this week. It's expected to be the open source AI, but it wouldn't be the first time they do multiple releases in a day

[neon idol]

Oai?

[wheat onyx]

Open ai

[raven helm]

ByteDance Seed
Seedance 1.0

I have been able to test it in the battles

[neon idol]

I didn't test it but in my opinion veo 3 is really good

[raven helm]

It is consistently the best. The only thing I don’t like about it is it doesn’t have audio like veo 3 (veo 3 really spoiled me)

Oh no

Oops

Can I delete it

[neon idol]

Ahahhahah

[raven helm]

The traces have been removed

[flint sandal]

No one will ever know

[raven helm]

😉

So it that like a unwritten rule

[flint sandal]

I wonder when they are adding models like grok 4 heavy even only into the battle mode

[raven helm]

They won’t, this is because they haven’t released the API yet

If you notice the models which don’t have an API never get added

And also if an API releases, it’ll probably cost them too much money

[fleet lintel]

that late?

[raven helm]

It’s later than they should’ve

Because now people in the EU won’t get access

[flint sandal]

Like i think that they are getting api for free, like for example openai gets that data and its for RLHF. Like who will spend money to make users choose what model is better for free just to have it on laderboard

[raven helm]

So why don’t they add o3-pro, that’s the question

[raven helm]

(Unless you use an VPN)

[flint sandal]

Better question is why openai is not open since like 5 years

[raven helm]

At least they will release one open source model. I think that was the Horizon beta/alpha

[keen beacon]

its probably not

[raven helm]

On openeouter

[keen beacon]

doesnt match oss configs that were leaked

[raven helm]

They probably have it for testing and it’s currently free basically the best programming

[flint sandal]

I think that this horizon beta alpha is like the lowest version of gpt-5 like this version that will be free

[raven helm]

What do you mean?

[raven helm]

Yea, but even if it’s the lowest version, it is so so good at coding

That just shows what the medium and high version will be

[flint sandal]

Yeah, its insanely good at coding, it doesnt even reason.

[raven helm]

That’s what gets me

It doesn’t reason

And is still sooooo good

[flint sandal]

I think horizon alpha is like mimicking better model. Like if you took Deepseek r1 data, removed cot and trained non-reasoning model with it.

It cant. But it is not a reasoning model which makes it amazing.

[raven helm]

Arimaa?

But the nice thing is it’s free

(For now…)

Ohh, that really does determine its strategy skills

[flint sandal]

If openai will release this horizon alpha for free and add limits same as gpt 4o, it will be frustrating. Like openai has 5 more advanced models and 4o is stupid but still limited for free.

[raven helm]

Wow, they need to invent an alpha go version for this

[wheat onyx]

They could change strategy, but previously they said gpt5 free for all, unlimited different Intel levels

[raven helm]

But I like what they’re doing because it makes it easier for people to understand

Oh

[wheat onyx]

Auto routing will be useful for most. Most don't use o3 at all

[raven helm]

Yea

[flint sandal]

Grok 4 on lmarena is way worse than grok 4 on actual site. I compared this two (not 4 heavy) and grok 4 on grok website is like a lot better while on lmarena 4 opus is better than grok 4.

[raven helm]

Why is that?

[wheat onyx]

I want to see cost structure too.they said gpt5 is much more efficient

Google has big advantage on costs currently

[raven helm]

Do you think it has a bad system prompt on LMArena?

Oh no, I know why: because on the website it has access to tools whilst on LMArena it doesn’t

I’ve always been asking for them to add tools and MCPs to test agentic capabilities

[flint sandal]

I think on lmarena all models have the same temperature which i believe is 0,7. And for models like o3, or gpt 4.1 it is great but grok 4 or gemini 2.5 pro lower temperatures are soooo much better.

[raven helm]

Yeah, I’ve also wanted the ability to change the seed and temperature. But I have one question: how do you know what is the best temperature for specific AI model?

[flint sandal]

Because i tried a lot of models on different temperatures and for Gemini 2.5 Pro best is 0,4 and for coding on gemini 2.5 pro best is 0,25. On claude opus 4 no thinking its 0,45 and for coding tasks its 0,35

[raven helm]

Oh wow, thanks for that. I really need to save that! And just to be able to know what’s best you really just have to test and test test?

[flint sandal]

I reccomend trying same tasks on 0,1 0,2 0,3 0,4 0,5 and then dont get higher than this because there is no need. There is only small difference between temperature 1 and 0,5

In terms of inteligence.

[raven helm]

Mmm

And what about one and higher?

[flint sandal]

Maybe for some fantasy

Or novels idk. I only tried higher temperatures on gemini 2.5 pro, and always i wasnt satisfied with responses

And i think about making ai router that will not only choose the best model but also temperature and other settings. But i am a lazy so i just think about it like deepseek r1

[wheat onyx]

Maybe flux?

Don't need it for my work

[flint sandal]

Flux kontext max

[raven helm]

You could use the model router that LMArena has made and then above that training model or give it system instructions, which tells how to determine what is the best temperature

For that specific one

[wheat onyx]

I need an ai Imagen Gen for marketing brochures. Nothing there yet

[flint sandal]

Isnt lmarena p2l router just a simple neuralnet?

[raven helm]

It is? I never looked into how it works.

[flint sandal]

Is it open source?

[raven helm]

I never checked that, but maybe it is

[woven surge]

You guys are so much pro at AI I think so

[raven helm]

Because it does seem like something that should be

[flint sandal]

I will just finetune some LLAMA 1B on my data with temperatures and models and it will work i think

[raven helm]

🙃

Yea, what do you use to do fine-tuning

?

[flint sandal]

Unsloth is the best

I have google colab subscription

So i can finetune even 20B models

With qlora

[woven surge]

Can you guys tell me how can I convert a dark photo into a bright one with ai

[raven helm]

Are you talking about exposure?

Or like converting a UI from dark mode to light mode

[woven surge]

Maybe yes

[flint sandal]

1. Go to lmarena 2. Go to direct chat and click image icon. 3. Click on gptimage1 or flux kontext pro and prompt it to make it brightee

[raven helm]

Then just up the exposure in the photo editing app

[woven surge]

Ok thanks

[raven helm]

Or if you’re not a heavy user and it’s simpler for you, just give the image to ChatGPT and tell it what you want

[woven surge]

Thanks again

[flint sandal]

And wait 80 seconds for a generation

[raven helm]

It uses the same thing it’s just that LMArena is not rate limited

Fine. But in my experience, it has also been slow for me a bit in LMArena

[woven surge]

Why it take 80 seconds

[raven helm]

Because you’re on a free plan most probably

But if not, I think the time should be a bit faster

[woven surge]

Okay

[flint sandal]

I aint buying chatgpt plus. I have claude, gemini and even mistral subscriptions and i dont even use it

[woven surge]

Can you tell me guys how you guys use ai tools
Maybe I could get some help from your knowledge

[raven helm]

Yea, I’ve never bought a subscription for AI

[raven helm]

Yea, of course, anything specific you’d want?

[woven surge]

Yes I'm interested in content creation

[raven helm]

Hmmmm

What type of content?

[woven surge]

I mean how to craft a perfect story with ai

[raven helm]

Because if it’s more of explainer videos with simple graphics, I’d lean towards the new NotebookLM video podcast

[flint sandal]

If you sre lazy but have money use invideo ai. If you are broke then just use tools like kling, capcut, elevenlabs and connect it together i think.

Or use LTX studio

[raven helm]

Yea

[woven surge]

No I'm just talking about the script of the story

[flint sandal]

Any LLM is great

[woven surge]

And I just use free tools

[raven helm]

Oh, then I’d recommend using Claude 4 Opus, in my experience it has the best tone and you can use it for **** on LMArena

[flint sandal]

I think that 4 sonnet is better for that

Its less formal

[raven helm]

Mmm, maybe it’s a training data which saturated the opus to be more formal

[woven surge]

Thanks but which model is best for generating content for a visual story not a narrative one

[raven helm]

What do you mean by visual story?

[flint sandal]

I have a question, does lmarena have some api? Because on g4f you can click on lmarena and choose every model from: legacy lmarena, lmarena, and lmarena web and just use it in g4f interface?

[flint sandal]

gpt-image-1 and ideogram v3

[woven surge]

The story which convey emotions through visuals (photos and videos)

Guys thx to both of you

[raven helm]

For Photos it’s what bananov said

For videos, it depends on how rich you are

[woven surge]

I'm a student and I have no budget for spending on ai tools

[flint sandal]

Yeah. Veo 3 for rich. For broke Kling Minimax and open source. (Im the broke one)

[raven helm]

Unless you take your prompt and put it into the video arena here on this discord and pray to get a generation with audio (meaning you got veo 3)

[woven surge]

I think this server is a pretty decent option for generating videos

[raven helm]

Yea, I just wish the video to the actual website

They moved the video arena*

[flint sandal]

Yeah, and i think that they read my feedback message with idea for video on lmarena

[raven helm]

What was it about

[flint sandal]

I just told them they can add video into lmarena, and i said that they can do it like everyone can vote on other videos and it is like that

[raven helm]

Mmm, I was the guy that made a gigantic list 🙃

What do you use G4F for?

[woven surge]

I couldn't send this message I don't know why

[ocean vortex]

Are these bots? wtf is happening in here LOL

[raven helm]

You can’t send links

[woven surge]

Dj pls check the server

[raven helm]

Nope

[woven surge]

It maybe a decent alternative to Veo 3

[raven helm]

What do they do in that server

[flint sandal]

Yeah i am horizon alpha secret model and i am now on discord

I am a bot

[raven helm]

😜

[woven surge]

Bro this is not my server a YouTuber recommended this as a decent alternative to Veo 3

[ocean vortex]

This server has nothing in common with generating videos

[raven helm]

Oh no, I think that’s just the discord server for his channel

Maybe inside of it he has posted something about an alternative

[woven surge]

You need to verify

[ocean vortex]

verify what?

[raven helm]

@flint sandal

[flint sandal]

Is there anyone from lmarena team? I want to know how do g4f has access to their models

[flint sandal]

Testing

[raven helm]

Pinaple

[raven helm]

What do you test there? And what’s the difference between it and LM Arena?

[ocean vortex]

lmarena is not for video generation

never was

[cyan zodiac]

by g4f you mean the repo by xtekky/gpt4free right

[ocean vortex]

nor is this server

[flint sandal]

G4F is not a site to compare, it is site to give you access to all models for free like gpt-4.5, o3 pro, grok 4 heavy (grok 4 heavy isnt working now)

[flint sandal]

Yeah, also the website.

[raven helm]

But for example there, I need to give my API unless I switched to LM Marina

[cyan zodiac]

whats the url to this website

[flint sandal]

g4f and the org

Not official but actually original g4f

[raven helm]

g4f.dev

[flint sandal]

Ohh yeah

[keen beacon]

@ocean vortex there's a video arena now #video-arena-1 #video-arena-2 #video-arena-3 #video-arena-4

[raven helm]

Exactly

[raven helm]

.

[ocean vortex]

ohh...

🤯

[flint sandal]

G4f is working by free apis like pollinations.ai, lmarena, lmarena legacy, lmarena web, and others.

[raven helm]

And you select the one would you want?

[ocean vortex]

mb, didn't know they had this already

[flint sandal]

And i think it uses lmarena models illegaly

[raven helm]

So it is almost like just LMArena but with more features like system prompts

(If we’re talking about the direct chat)

[flint sandal]

It is actual lmarena. There is every model from it, the section on g4f is literally called LMArena

[raven helm]

Oh

[cyan zodiac]

and thats a problem how?

pretend its not real

[raven helm]

But then that just means it’s a copy but with more features

Because you can add your own system, prompt, and everything

And you can upload files other from images

[flint sandal]

This system prompt works like adding [SYSTEMPROMPT] to your messages on lmarena

[raven helm]

Wait, tell me how you use that! I’ve always wanted to add system prompt, but I was never able to

Is it just like enclosing the the prompt inside <system>

[balmy mist]

is horizon alpha better than beta?

[flint sandal]

I mean it is not a system prompt it is smth like that on your message: [SYSTEM-PROMPT] Be friendly [SYSTEM-PROMPT] Hello.

[flint sandal]

Nah, they are pretty much the same

Only difference with speed

[raven helm]

Apparently, the new one I think it was beta, is a little bit better and does a little bit more reasoning

[balmy mist]

so y use the slower version?

[balmy mist]

ahh okay thnx

[raven helm]

But then why use g4f

Because LMArena almost does the same thing

[flint sandal]

THERE IS A FRICKIN VICUNA 7B MODEL ON G4F LMARENA

g4f is actually better than lmarena

It has all the models

even o3 pro

And grok 4 heavy

And text-davinci-003

And claude-1

And claude instant

Actually lmarena is better

Dont ban me 😦

[raven helm]

Hahahaahha

The only problem I have with it is the user interface

If they just clean that up, I made it almost like LMArena is Id, love it

[flint sandal]

On phone its bad on pc is great

[raven helm]

No, but I mean, like selecting the models

[cyan zodiac]

do they have an api url? their docs are a bit stupid thought you might know

[raven helm]

I need to go through all the providers to finally find the one which provides what I want

[flint sandal]

Idk

G4f is open source

[raven helm]

How do you go through all of the providers?

[cyan zodiac]

do you know how to fix this atleast

[flint sandal]

It is open source, run it locally

[raven helm]

Like, how do I find? o3-pro for example if I select one of the providers, for example LMArena it won’t show

[cyan zodiac]

does running it locally fix that issue then

[flint sandal]

Idk i never seen this error