Crystal pvp queueing

[stray totem]

So a lot of people (including me) hate double blast protection. It drains the fun from the games, so how about we make so that you choose to queue players WITHOUT double blast protection? (But you cannot do it if you yourself have it) This way it satisfies everyone. Simple, but efficent!

[minor moth]

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[stray totem]

well you can make an unranked gamemode and make this for only that mode

[minor moth]

So an option for duels?

[stray totem]

Crystal pvp queueing

[stray totem]

yeah kind of, and before you say "We HAvE PVp ClUB foR ThaT" people will practice on pvp ranked no matter what because of the ping optimizations

[minor moth]

Duels will be available on PvP Ranked, but I'm not sure about casual queueing.

[stray totem]

it would work in everyone's favor, me for example i get like 50ms on pvp club, i cannot afford ethernet because my router is "full" a lot of players (including me) would appreaciate it

[molten thistle]

i already suggested this lol

they said it would split the community into 2

[stray totem]

It already is

[molten thistle]

true

[stray totem]

So no point In not doing it

[minor moth]

As RelayDust said, it would split the player base a lot. If the player counts for PvP Ranked are really high the chances of a casual queue will be higher.

[stray totem]

But those who want to actually get their rank will have to fight those with dbp

And a lot of people will just play for fun, which gets drained by dbp

[simple crescent]

They said "it wouldnt show your true skill if you only fought one type of player, so your rank would be innacurate" and "it would split the playerbase in two and would hurt both communities"

[molten thistle]

as much as I hate dbp i gotta agree with them, it would cause more harm

[stray totem]

It wouldnt rank you based on those casual matches

[minor moth]

Vanilla PvP allows you to use any reasonable item that doesn't tremendously increase stalling, because of this dbp will remain allowed.

[stray totem]

I never said to ban it

[simple crescent]

That's fair

[stray totem]

Only to create an unranked queue, with an option to not q players with sbp

[molten thistle]

for casual matches this is a must feature i cant lie

[simple crescent]

It would increase queue times

[stray totem]

then turn the option off

[simple crescent]

Especially for regions with low player counts

[minor moth]

Other people would have the option on which means the difference would be minimal.

[stray totem]

then turn it back on

[minor moth]

😭

[simple crescent]

Actually genius

[stray totem]

like there would be over 15k people total on pvp ranked, ÷ 8 and thats around 2k players on average in every gamemode

there would be like 3.5k in vanilla

[simple crescent]

/regions

8 regions

With uneven player counts

[molten thistle]

isn't it also gonna be cross region cuz of netcode

[minor moth]

I'd say 4 regions is reasonable with the netcode.

[stray totem]

there should be only 3 major regions, east, central and west

[simple crescent]

Yes but it takes time for the system to widen the region it is looking inside

[simple crescent]

What about south and north?

Unless you are only talking about north America

[stray totem]

on their respectable region, for example: australia would be in the west, uk would be in central, and the US would be in the east

[molten thistle]

it would be fun to fight ppl from other regions, it would make all the regions equally skilled

[stray totem]

yeah but then there should be things like "micro regions" for duels

[minor moth]

The main issue with this is that it would also split the player base, that means we would have to decide if longer queue times is worth having the option to play single blast prot or double blast prot (not to mention an unranked queue isn't planned to happen right now).

[stray totem]

if it does happen, then the queue times would 100% be worth it, fortnite has q times of like 2 minuets, and people still play it

[minor moth]

Fortnite games also last a lot longer on average.

[stray totem]

and a lot of people die in the first 5 minutes

[simple crescent]

This would make it unfair to those who love dbp

[minor moth]

I don't think fortnite would be a very good comparison, maybe something like Valorant would be comparable.

[stray totem]

does anyone really like fighting a dbp? the kb from crystals is the whole foundation of cpvp

[stray totem]

valorant is a bo13

but yeah

wait no its ft13

[minor moth]

I prefer using dbp, and keep in mind it is vanilla pvp.

[stray totem]

"Marlow's crystal optimizer"

"totem counter"

"hero's anchor optimizer"

"double clicking"

NONE of those are vanilla

for it to be truly vanilla pvp, it would have to be played with no mods (including optimzation mods)

[minor moth]

Vanilla PvP is playable with no mods, but the modding community is pretty active within the PvP community.

[stray totem]

do you prefer fighting a dbp?

[minor moth]

Usually yes

[stray totem]

is it vanilla pvp if it has mods?

[stray totem]

why?

how is it fun?

or did you start after it was added?

the biggest signature of crystal are the combos

which, if you dont know, arent possible with dbp

[minor moth]

It is a lot faster paced and allows for more anchor based strategies which I find fun. Vanilla PvP requires a lot more skill now which I enjoy.

[minor moth]

You are still able to do combos, they are just different.

[stray totem]

thats your opinion, but the majority would agree

[stray totem]

what kind? anchor spamming?

[minor moth]

A lot of strategies are more anchor based, but spamming anchors doesn't get you very far.

[stray totem]

all you have to do to kill someone with dbp is just sword them to a ledge in a hole, i dont like it because i prefer to use my brain when comboing people instead of just spamming left and right click

[minor moth]

It seems like your experience with dbp is a lot different than mine. I have to use my brain a lot more with dbp because of the faster paced gameplay.

[stray totem]

yeah thats true, but the moment someone gets on a ledge it becomes mindless crystalling

and its not even hard to do

you can even hit someone and place an obi under them

[minor moth]

With decent toteming, pearling, and blocking off, it is pretty easy to avoid popping on ledges.

[stray totem]

most of the time you wont even have the time to just close your inventory, let alone turn around and pearl

dbp gives more disadvantages than advantages anyway

no reason to use at all

except if you want to be annoying in flat fights

[minor moth]

As long as you are double handing you will have a minimum of .5 seconds to get out which is usually enough time.

[minor moth]

What are the disadvantages?

[stray totem]

vulnerability to anchor spamming, the ledge thing which i just mentioned, still possible (but harder) to get double tapped, vulnerabilty to someone spamming the mace on you

the advantages: harder to get dtapped, a bit of an advantage in hole fights because its harder to get comboed, and really hard for the other person to chain crystals on you in a flat fight

[minor moth]

Wouldn't harder to get double tapped be an advantage, and how are you more vulnerable to mace?

The only downside I can think of is being on a ledge, but even that is very avoidable.

And if the ledges truly are that deadly you can just use prot and KB 2.

[stray totem]

its not a disadvantage, its still possible but much harder to do, and for the mace part normally you will get knocked either up or horizontally, messing with the attacker's sense of your position, but with dbp they can just assume where you are

[stray totem]

wdym "use prot and kb2"

[minor moth]

I see what you are saying, but not getting knocked back can also keep you from getting confused.

[stray totem]

its an advantage to get knocked back, because of the way minecraft handles pearl momentum

[minor moth]

You can use single blast protection because you think it is more fun, and a knockback 2 sword to get people on ledges very easily.

[stray totem]

its not more fun to me, but its more fun for my opponent, you think i like getting comboed?

[minor moth]

So dbp is better?

[stray totem]

in the case of getting comboed, yeah, but its way less fun for the person trying to combo you

ya'll are focusing too much on the competitive scene, think about the fact that people are trying to have fun

[minor moth]

You said that dbp had more disadvantages so I was just curious about your opinions.

[minor moth]

The thing is that "fun" is very objective, and it is Vanilla PvP at the end of the day.

[stray totem]

the biggest disadvantage about dbp doesnt even have to do with the gameplay, but with how others treat you

[stray totem]

i will keep listing mods that give you an advantage not possible in vanilla every time you call it vanilla pvp, its not vanilla

[minor moth]

Most of the allowed mods that give "advantages" are just to help players with high ping or are quality of life mods. The main thing that makes vanilla pvp vanilla is that you can use any item as long as it doesn't increase stalling.

[stray totem]

stalling is vanilla as well, and if you have high ping then thats a YOU problem

[minor moth]

There have been fights that lasted over 7 hours before, it is incredibly unreasonable for a match to last that long.

[stray totem]

yes, but stalling is still vanilla

its possible to do in vanilla

[minor moth]

I think you are using the definition of the word vanilla instead of the pvp gamemode vanilla.

[stray totem]

it was named after vanilla, wasnt it?

also i have to go

wait why are we arguing over code?

cya

[minor moth]

I believe it was.

Cya!

[orchid topaz]

US in the east 😭

[molten thistle]

😭