machine learning

[ember loom]

make it so good players can opt in to having a bot trained based on replays of their gameplay for people to fight and train with, and you can access these through a menu

will be hard to code, especially because you have 2 players both doing actions, but might be possible

t2+ only so we don't just have 90k bots

also they can opt out later if they want to do paid coaching or something

[formal plover]

Wait wait wait

Pause

Bot that plays like you

And you can fight yourself and see your weaknesses

The AI itself shouldn't be that hard to make

And your own replays are already stored on your PC

I'm not sure if this is possible, but it could also be trained on your own computer

So it's free

AND it can be part of the training/practice bot and coaching that has already been suggested

And you can upload yourself or share your bot with other people

And for example, try fighting Marlow's bot

This theoretically should be possible even if they don't add it, just from your own replays files

I might make this 😭

Since we can just train it off our own files

Omg there are so many possibilities for projects with pvpr

[ember loom]

if it's a big thing, maybe a section for players of each tier so you can find them and dont get lost in an ocean of ht5s who think they are good

(im ht5 and im good)

[formal plover]

Imagine a khalih bot in vanilla 💀

Just maces you all day

(I'm still traumatized)

[ember loom]

lol

idk if it would fully pick up the playstyle or just the timings of stuff or both but either way it could help

depends how you make it

[hasty fox]

someones tried this before

idk its really cool but

i think it would be a longer term thing

also it would probably be more like a bot that plays like a certain tier

[formal plover]

yeah there are definitely more important things rn

[hasty fox]

because it would be harder to have enough training data for each person

[elfin spindle]

@inland laurel He speaks your language

[formal plover]

it should be possible to do it independently with just our own replay files

[formal plover]

#GiveMeSomeReplayFiles

[worldly blade]

This is way above the Minecraft tierlist paygrade

[formal plover]

no this is awesome

the whole point is that this can be so much more than just a minecraft tierlist

it can turn mctiers into a full competitive game

[merry rose]

Machine-based learning that follows a ton of people to learn different playstyles is great, but it may be difficult to create one per person, you would need hundreds if not thousands of fights to get enough data. Cool idea

[quaint kestrel]

I’ve always love the idea tho

It’s you vs. you, theoretically it should end in a draw

But if you lose, it might be an indicator of getting worse, and vice versa for winning indicating being better

And yeah forcing you to play to your own weaknesses makes you more aware of them, and then seeing how “you” would respond is all the more interesting

[merry rose]

People make mistakes and the bot will have difficulty making any mistakes (you can see this by xanicle's crystal bot, which is t1 in skill even while being machine based learning from a non-perfect player. It is a great practice tool though, but again I would not thing this is necessarily a way to recognize your mistakes or create a bot with your mistakes.

[merry rose]

I would suggest vod reviewing for recognizing mistakes, but ths could help the average player if it was capable of recreating them, I do not think it can get close enough.

[quaint kestrel]

Fair and good points

@grim bluff i am very upset at you for renaming me here.

[merry rose]

Lets not say such things please, even if its to a friend as a joke.

[quaint kestrel]

My bad

[quaint kestrel]

Lighthearted reprimanding may be done later but nothing harmful

[merry rose]

xd

[formal plover]

what if i play a lot

also there would for sure be that amount of data for specific tiers

so t5 bot t3 bot yk

[merry rose]

I am refering to a per person bot, so I would have a custom Tujoro bot and you would have a Ravenclaw bot

That is too difficult

[merry rose]

Then you would be cool

[formal plover]

but theoretically if someone plays a lot it should be possible

[merry rose]

Maybe, but creating a bot for every player when the majority will not seems like a waste of time

I still like the idea of bots for different tiers

[formal plover]

i think this could be an unofficial mod

and the bot could be trained on our own replays and on our own pcs

(i need more projects)

the cv is looking empty 💀

[shell crow]

We getting taskmaster in Minecraft before gta 6

[weary canyon]

ngl this idea sounds amazing

[ember loom]

it could try to match your playstyle with other players of your skill, and it would combine their fights with yours if it is similar enough to get the data needed if you don't fight enough (would still need enough fights to determine your playstyle)

like maybe it checks your chance to backstab vs stun in axe and when you do it, and if you stun 50% of the time it will use other players' gameplay who stun 40-60%, not someone who backstabs 80% of the time

[mild hull]

Why u got no og rank

[ember loom]

idk

i also dont have bug tester

doesnt exist yet i guess

[mild hull]

Sheep Dude got it

🤬

[ember loom]

?!?!?!??!

[mild hull]

They stole mine too

We do revolution

[ember loom]

should we ping hat?

[mild hull]

@elfin spindle

[mild hull]

That or spam him in gc

[ember loom]

lets not spam

[mild hull]

In here

[ember loom]

1 ping is enough

[mild hull]

Im just kidding

[merry rose]

Interesting proposition

[mild hull]

And we got ghosted

[young thunder]

@ember loom i have a feeling reinforcement learning would be better, people tried training rocket league bots on replays and it got nowhere (they had over 10k hours of replays), just by doing a ton of self play i think the bots would learn much faster and better than replays

[ember loom]

ok im not the one making it, as long as there are different skill levels and playstyles to play against it would work
maybe try to make certain bots prefer sword, cbow, etc

[young thunder]

its defo possible

i was thinking of making a cpvp RL bot for my A-level NEA

i have 2 years