What a Cosmetic System Could Actually Look Like

[steep edge]

• Cosmetics could be bought for money in the in game shop, HOWEVER these cosmetics would be separate from the competitive cosmetics.

• Tournament Cosmetics:
  • Winners and top performers in tournaments could receive exclusive cosmetic rewards.
  • Some examples could be unique capes, 3d weapon/tool textures, or special particle effects.
• 3D textures NEED to be toggleable. If it isn't then it shouldn't be implemented imo.

• All cosmetic rewards should be cosmetic only and shouldn't provide any advantages.
  • The cosmetic rewards you receive from events or being a top level player should not ever be easily accessible or open to buy from the shop.
  • I think the idea of collecting skins would be epic.
• Trading skins should not ever be a thing to prevent irl trading.

[minor roost]

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[worldly burrow]

armor trims maybe

[limber hedge]

Armour trims and or custom shields

[tired lion]

This is well composed and very helpful, thank you

[worldly burrow]

add armor trims and remove capes from the post maybe

because there are so many mods/clients with capes so its boring

[rugged rampart]

Armor trims was suggested

[worldly burrow]

yeah ik i suggested armor trims in multiple posts about cosmetics here

[rugged rampart]

👍

[steep edge]

We have a post about capes btw if u wanna see, it would be different. Like you could get them for rewards like becoming a top player, winning an event, etc.

[rugged rampart]

@glacial plank

This is the suggestion that goes over the cosmetic system

[glacial plank]

I agree that emotes are not a good idea

Why specifically are you against trading/gifting?
I want to hear your thoughts on it before I give mine

[rugged rampart]

Trading as in /trade?

@glacial plank

[rugged rampart]

Personally im actually not quite sure, thats something that Treeman added

[bold fern]

I think u or hat mentioned that there could be problem with irl trading

[rugged rampart]

Ohh yeah

Sorry I was a little asleep still😭

[steep edge]

Because of IRL trading. If the mod got popular enough (which I think it will), then people the amount of people spending real money to buy cosmetics, trying to rat others for their skins, buying full on Microsoft accounts could all skyrocket.

[steep edge]

Also I don't think many people would want a csgo like situation. Perhaps this could be a poll, asking if cosmetics were in the game if they should be soul bound (non tradable) or tradable.

I'm curious now what your opinions are?

[glacial plank]

hmm I hadn't considered this

we could restrict trading to skins bought with free currency, so you cant trade anything you got from real money

[steep edge]

What do you mean free currency, currency earned from milestones or tasks like in #1343879924787970118 ?

[naive hare]

Then people would pay money and buy the skins that someone earned with free currency for real money

i dont think there's any way to implement trading without irl trading happening

[empty garden]

We also need Death animations.
I cant think of much good examples.
But lightning on spot of death and player exploding are some examples

Can anyone suggest some examples

[hot seal]

what is the downside to trading?

[steep edge]

#1344233084756951151 message

[hot seal]

whats the downside to irl trading

people get a cool cosmetic they want

just make it so you need 2fa to trade

ratting wont be an issue

ensure use of google authenticator to get a 1 time code each time you trade

@steep edge

[steep edge]

Yes it will

[hot seal]

not if 2fa exists each time you trade

or have a hashed passkey stored serverside that you need to trade

[hot seal]

even if cosmetics existed people would just rat their credentials and sell accounts on black market

people steal og username accounts and sell them

[glacial geyser]

The issue with cosmetics of all sort, as long as they’re visible to others they will always have some sort of value, so trading isn’t even the issue, it’s just the whole concept of cosmetics when it comes to any game, if you’re scared of people trying to eat others for cosmetics, then they shouldn’t be a thing to begin with

[steep edge]

How are you guys going to monetize the mod then?

And what do you mean trying to eat others for cosmetics?

[glacial geyser]

I meant rat

[glacial geyser]

There's other methods for sure

My idea was having ads, for example being shown in the same menu where you queue etc

[steep edge]

Don't you think not having trading would make the amount of people getting ratted go down?

[steep edge]

People are going to be very mad if that gets added... If you don't believe me make a poll.

[glacial geyser]

I don't get why

Modrinth has ads, curseforge has ads

Lunar has ads

etc

[steep edge]

This is a mod, not a client. Once your in the game there are no ads.

[glacial geyser]

They're still shown somewhere

My idea isn't for them to be obstructive either

[glacial geyser]

No, and regarding trading either, if someone reports they got ratted, it would be pretty easy for us to just

GIve the cosmetic back

We will likely log stuff regarding trades if it is implemented

[steep edge]

But if they got ratted and trading isnt enabled, it would still be on their account, which gets rid of having to open a ticket, give proof of having it, etc.

and taking it away from the account that the ratter traded it too.

[glacial geyser]

i'll reply in a sec im eating rn sry

[steep edge]

all good!

[glacial geyser]

Well even then,

There is several existing games that are separate to MC with successful trading systems with good security measures, which work perfectly, implementing security measures regarding something such as ratting can be done too

[steep edge]

True, but ratting in minecraft is much easier because of the widespread use of mods, and the age of most players.

[glacial geyser]

Like I've mentioned, I do have some interesting ideas on how we can somewhat prevent ratted while the mod is loaded

ratting*

Even then, we could technically lock accounts to their HWID

[steep edge]

alright, but still this doesn't address irl trading, how would you stop that from happening?

[glacial geyser]

IRL Trading will always happen, no matter how it's implemented

People will either sell the cosmetics, or their accounts

Can't do anything about it

[steep edge]

But eliminating trading cosmetics will lower the amount of irl trading that happens.

[glacial geyser]

It really won't, people will just trade their accounts, it happens with several existing MC cosmetic mods

Example:

[steep edge]

True

[steep edge]

Then I guess if you are somehow able to stop ratting from happening, trading would be alright. But only if no one could possibly get ratted.

[glacial geyser]

We could just link accounts by HWID

You can't steal someones HWID

[steep edge]

To be honest idk what that means

[steep edge]

Why don't mods/servers already do that?

[glacial geyser]

Your account is linked to your computer

[glacial geyser]

They can't without a client-mod

Because we're using a client-mod, we're able to collect that data

[steep edge]

Ohh okay

[steep edge]

does HWID connect it to the mod?

[glacial geyser]

Yes

[steep edge]

Are there any downsides?

[glacial geyser]

No

[steep edge]

Oh wow

[glacial geyser]

It's used primarily for existing anticheat

Such as Vanguard

[steep edge]

cool

That should definitely be implemented even if a cosmetic system doesn't get added, it would be so cool if no one got ratted.

[glacial geyser]

It's how banning people will work too, they will be banned by their HWID

[steep edge]

Then trading cosmetics would also be alright

[glacial geyser]

Yes, it is planned

[steep edge]

sweet

[glacial geyser]

Meaning they cannot use the mod on the same computer till they're unbanned

[steep edge]

ohhh

so alting is harder too

[glacial geyser]

Yes

I think cosmetics are cool

[steep edge]

alright

[glacial plank]

@glacial geyser @steep edge can confirm we will never run ads
as a competitive fps player I would genuinely instantly stop playing any game with ads

[glacial plank]

them exploding in a few different ways, a few of the video filters people like instantly being applied with a bang the second the kill registers, and honestly anything valorant weapons do are a few options

[steep edge]

Thank god

[glacial plank]

the speed at which I would instantly abandon any game which did that would be hilarious

[steep edge]

4 seconds max

[glacial plank]

only due to stun lock

[steep edge]

😂

[hot seal]

@glacial geyser why not just add a password stored server side each time you play pvpr you need to enter, then people just cant play on your pvpr account even if you get ratted

[glacial geyser]

I have an idea todo something similar either way that’s easier for the user, if it is implemented

[hot seal]

to monotize, if servers are really as cheap as you say, just make a monthly donator subscription where you can change name color or something

idk

[glacial geyser]

Honestly I do believe cosmetics like that are the best

• They’re obtainable by all
• They aren’t super expensive
• They’re still clearly visible to the average user

[hot seal]

it wouldnt be p2w in any way tho

[steep edge]

Ik but it just feels bad to me

[hot seal]

its litteraly just a cosmetic

how does that feel like p2w