#Infinite aluminum/cobalt/osmium crafting loop

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fringe tartan
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Wanted infinite aluminum and didn't want to hollow out my qualia's central tower (idk why, just don't), so I dug around and tested and did some simulation and I think I found an infinite crafting loop to duplicate these 3 metals. The 3 recipes you will use are:

  • 2 Cobalt + 1 Osmium = 7 Aluminum
  • 2 Aluminum + 2 Osmium = 3 Cobalt
  • 2 Aluminum + 3 Cobalt = 4 Osmium

These will be denoted by A, C, and O respectively. The basic cycle to produce a 1 Aluminum + 1 Osmium surplus is AOCCOACCOCAOC, the cycle to get to a 3/3/3 surplus is AOCCOACCOCAOCAOCCOACCOCAOCAOCCOACCOCAOCAOCCOACCOCAOCAOCCOACCOCAOCC. A minimum starting seed of 2 aluminum, 5 cobalt, and 2 osmium is required for the smaller loop to finish. If anyone wants to help optimize the loop that would be appreciated, but I think it's pretty close to optimal already?

There are easier ways to get infinite resources (e.g. making an aluminum golem farm, probably many other ways) but I like the apotheosis system and just whisking new materials out of thin air. Might make an autohotkey script to automatically run this loop since it's quite long and tedious to do by hand. Partially just did it because it's fun to theorycraft :)

lyric oracle
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I'm impressed, it worked first try >x33

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life saver fr fr <33

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3 Aluminum + 2 Cobalt = 4 Osmium

fringe tartan
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Good point!

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I did figure out the cobalt/osmium swap which leads to a 0/3/0 loop which could substantially shorten the overall 3/3/3 loop

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didn't notice the aluminum/cobalt swap

lyric oracle
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yeah just testing and stufff

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I have this stupid ergonomic keyboard... sorry for my horrific spelling :<

fringe tartan
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testing both swaps you pointed out now, wondering if this will shorten the 1/1/1 loop

lyric oracle
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2 Al + 1 Co = 2 Os

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cheaper

fringe tartan
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technically cheaper but worse ratio in the long run. 0.66 vs 0.8 from mine

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at least, based on the logic I used to pick mine, theoretically mine will loop faster with the recipe i picked. Not sure if that works out in practice

lyric oracle
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hmmm

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tricky

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trying to optimise

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yours produces alot of Al and Os leaving Co short... I've been doing it and ran out

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had to make mor with rust and moss

fringe tartan
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just AOC to get 2 aluminum for free

lyric oracle
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hmm

fringe tartan
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also, technically all steps are interchangable, the order I chose is one that minimizes the maximum deficit in each value, which only affects the amount you need to get started

lyric oracle
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2 Co 2 Os = 9Al but not enough

fringe tartan
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yeah, that's only a 2.25 ratio vs the 2.33 of 1 + 2

lyric oracle
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if you go step 1 to step 3 then to step 2 you'll never make the Co back

fringe tartan
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for the steps I presented, you have to do the 1/0/1 loop a few times to build up surplus aluminum/osmium, then make some extra cobalt

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5 iterations and 1 extra cobalt craft gets you 3/3/3

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that or you can do 3 iterations + 1 modified 0/3/0 iteration

lyric oracle
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o

fringe tartan
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also I think it may be easier to just farm sheep and feed them to metal blocks and then use some surplus metal blocks to print a ton of whatever metal you like

lyric oracle
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YOU CAN DO THAT?!

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I've been making glider gloves from my sheep

fringe tartan
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there's 2 kinds of metal block and they have 2 different recipes:

  • Metal Block A + 1 raw sheep flesh = 2 Metal Block B
  • 2 Metal Block B + 1 raw sheep flesh = 3 Metal Block A

then there's recipes to get aluminum/cobalt/osmium from metal blocks, trying to track them down again now

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metal block B has a subtle diagonal line on it

lyric oracle
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o

fringe tartan
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🤔 hm, maybe I miscalculated or something

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Metal Block A + 20 Dirt = 40 Aluminum

lyric oracle
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3Al and 1Os to get 2Co

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Co is relyant on Os, and Os is relyant on Co

fringe tartan
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Metal Block B + 12 Dirt = 32 Aluminum, seems both can work

lyric oracle
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o

fringe tartan
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Metal Block (either) + Bubblebear egg = 12 Cobalt

lyric oracle
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it takes 5 Cobalt to 4Os and 3 Os to make 3Cobalt it's a negitive feedback loop

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metal to metal....

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I wonder if theres a more complicated route that fixes this

fringe tartan
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the thing is metal blocks are very annoying to get in the first place. Easy to farm once you do, but guh

lyric oracle
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not rlly you get a home dimension... you have osmium... but no al... unless uhhhhhhhhh

fringe tartan
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btw when I say metal block instead of aluminum/cobalt/osmium, I'm referring to a block called Metal Block. It's its own thing

lyric oracle
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oooh

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thats... siwwy

fringe tartan
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trying to figure out the metal block alchemy for osmium, ignore these images

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1 Metal + 4 Cobalt + 19 Aluminum = 21 Osmium

lyric oracle
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what is required for metal block

fringe tartan
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i have no idea, its very difficult to craft

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interestingly, just found through the apotheosis website... 50 aluminum + 1 guard cube = 49 osmium

fringe tartan
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Metal Block + Buzz Flower = 9 Cobalt

lyric oracle
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1322312232132 works as a step order

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but only gets you 0/1/1

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not 1/0/1

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testing 3/3/3 order...

lyric oracle
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i'm gonna try it again

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tried again, 1/0/1

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I think I may have been lost in the Apothos sauce with that last test

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so, works, but is slow, as was previously stated

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I'm gonna try a silly

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  1. 2Co 2Os = 9Al
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  1. 2Al 2Co= 3Os
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  1. 2Al 2Os = 3CO
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in silly order

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with starting amount 0/4/4

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A/C/O

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12323: 1/4/4

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aluminum generator

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Another silly

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  1. 2Co 1Os = 7Al

  2. 2Al 2Os = 3Co

  3. 2Al 2Co = 3Os

  4. 1Co 2Os =7AL

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starting materials 0/4/4

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A/C/O

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12342323: 2/4/4

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another Aluminum generator

fringe tartan
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it is very easy to generate aluminum really, you can just turn al + dirt = steel window + dirt = 5 al

lyric oracle
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lolz

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Silly no.3

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  1. 2Co 1Os = 7Al

  2. 2Al 3Os = 4Co

  3. 2Al 3Co = 4Os

4 1Co 2Os = 7Al

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Starting materials 0/5/5

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hold on this one

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this one might uhh

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hold on

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12334223: 2/5/5

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aluminum generator however

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silly No.4

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  1. 2Co 1Os = 7Al
  2. 1Co 2Os = 7Al
  3. 2Al 3Os = 4Co
  4. 2Al 3Co = 4Os
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Starting materials 0/6/6

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123433443: 2/6/6

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aluminum generator

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why ;<

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final silly

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starting materials 4/5/5

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1234433443: 6/6/6

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I DID IT!!!!!!!

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wait... I got 6/6/6 lemme check tha the order is correct

lyric oracle
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but I'll try to refind it

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3412344334: 2/6/6

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hmm