[FINISHED] 3 Doors Down - Landing In London

[humble musk]

Hi, I'm looking for feedback on this chart.

Music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5ssIJ1sks

One of my favorite songs by 3 Doors Down that I've been working on for a while.

Rhythm is the acoustic guitar. Lead is the electric one.

Tones
I'm still working on the tones, though I tried to get as close as I could. I can't really get the sound of the acoustic guitar right, it just has too much bass for some reason and I'm thinking of replacing it with a clean one. For example, the open E just sounds so different when I play it. Also, all the acoustic tones I've tried are super quiet so I had to boost it with EQ.
I hope the lead tones are closer to those in the song. The solo one is the regular lead with a bit of overdrive/distortion and higher volume.

Notes
That 13B harmonic probably doesn't exist, but I'm not sure. Maybe just an artifact from the acoustic guitar playing the C chord.
There's a part where lead plays the C chord starting from the high e string with a bit of a delay between each string. Not sure if I charted it correctly.
The strumming pattern on rhythm changes a bit at some point. Not sure if I got it right.

Thank you.

[humble musk]

v0.2

• Added bass

Edit: I also created a tab using rocksmith2tab

[humble musk]

v0.3
Rhythm

• Lowered volume slightly
• Copied outro arpeggio from lead
• Moved high gain tone change
  Lead
• Changed one fhp
• Raised clean tone volume slightly
• Shortened sustains

[silver agate]

Only played the lead so far:

phrases/ sections could use a lot of work - which should also help fix a lot of the random pre-emptive FHP changes.

Honestly got a little bored at the start and would've liked to play some of the rhythm in them long open spaces; having a mix of both lead and rhythm I think would make it a little more enjoyable to play.

Tones, I didn't mind all in all. Maybe increase the volume of clean and lead tone by 1.5db in the DLCB

this looks disgusting and needs fixing

after this 16g, it should be a 16-17 hammer-on

[humble musk]

Thanks for checking it out. I really appreciate it. 🙏 I'm pretty bad at tones so it's a bit of a relief that at least some of them are not awful.

I added the hammer-on and increased the volume. Thank you.

It was intentional to split the arrangements like this. I was thinking of adding some of the arpeggios to the lead, but it felt kind of weird switching to play 11G-9G and then back. Also, I know some people don't like playing them, so I kept them away. I could perhaps make a separate lead arrangement that would be the hardest to play. The part of the rhythm where it plays arpeggios and then the lead part once it starts playing chords. And I'll keep this path as the alt. lead. Would something like this work?

Regarding the sections, I thought they weren't so bad. I made sure to add No guitar sections throughout and they should be aligned with the rhythm and bass. Some of them are a bit longer or shorter than 4 bars. Should I split them up? And the early FHP changes are also intentional. I don't know if it's discouraged, but I personally like when the cam moves a bit earlier to the right spot and doesn't stay zoomed out as much.

Yea, that's the C chord I was referring to. Should I just remove the sustains? Or maybe use the normal chord notation? I don't really know what would be the right way to indicate it.

Also, thoughts on the 13B harmonic? I'm considering removing it. Or replacing with a normal note, though I have to admit it's really hard to hear it.

v0.4
-Added hammer-on to 17G
-Increased clean and lead volume
-Removed sustains from C chord

[silver agate]

An Alt Lead path I think would be a nice addition.
For bands like Coheed and Cambria for example, some people like to make the main Lead be a mix of both parts - then the Alt paths are specific to either Claudio's parts or Travis'.
Charter discretion there I suppose for what YOU want given it is your chart

Section/phrase wise:

• m.12 should be where the no guitar is set (4 measures away from the previous section)
• likewise at m.33
• m.42 should be where the chorus starts
• m.46 chorus
• m.50 chorus
• m.94 chorus
• m.98 chorus
• m.102 chorus
• m.106 no guitar
• m.109 solo
• m.114 solo
• m.118 solo (but here we want to use a moveR phrase on beat 4 of m.117, I can go over that a little more when you get to it)
• Similar for m.122.
• m.126 chorus
• m.128 no guitar
• m.146 chorus
• m.148 no guitar
• m.150 chorus
• m.154 no guitar

the pre-emptive fhp changes honestly make it look messy :/ - especially when you have random changes during no guitar sections
like measure 18 - there is literally no reason to have an fhp change there when there is a change at m.29 which is much more reasonable

(quickly looking at a local exported EOF version of it, it looks like some of the chords are out of sync maybe double check them - like at m.46?)

(granted, local versions do have a few glitches like this sometimes - disregard if yours is properly synced and on the measure)

also yeah, that C chord looks so much better now for things like that, you don't need to add the sustains if it's handshaped - the handshape itself implies you hold it so the sustains just add visual bloat that isn't needed

13b harmonic, I'd probably omit like you say, extremely hard to hear - and as is currently, it's a bit of a bitch to try and play as a harmonic and get it to ring out

at the very least, maybe swap it for a regular note

[humble musk]

Thank you. I'll get it fixed and will get back with a new version. 🙏

Yea, lead is a little bit irregular there and I guess it's the same later. The ogg in the screenshot is the extracted electric guitar part.

Also, the bpm is exactly 147.55 throughout the song and it fits perfectly. It took me quite a while to figure it out. 🧐 I wanted to use 73.775, but eof rounds it up.

I can also share the files here if it's allowed.

[humble musk]

Thanks again for the help. 🙏 I updated the chart.

I think I fixed most of the sections. I couldn't move the chorus to measure 42 because it would be in the middle of a handshape and eof was complaining, so I placed it on the previous beat. Same for 46 and 50.
I read a bit on the mover, but it's still somewhat confusing what it does exactly. Not sure if I did it right.

I changed the 13B to a regular note. I think it doesn't sound too bad if played quietly, but I don't know. If it feels off on your next playthrough, I'll just remove it.

The lead is now a mix of acoustic and electric and should be more challenging to play.
The alt lead is only electric. I basically just copied the original lead arrangement to it.

FHP changes actually don't look too bad either.

v0.5
-Moved lead to alt.lead arrangement
-Added new lead arrangement
-Fixed sections
-Removed early FHP changes
-Removed harmonic status from 13B

[silver agate]

sections you can't place directly on a new measure, you can use moveR, like so

the moveR phrase lets you start sections earlier for occasions as such where the notes start before the new measure.
What moveR1 will do is move the section to start 1 note to the right of where it currently is - so it would start on the open E note.

(make sure to mark the phrase specific to the arrangement, as well as the section)

moveR is a very useful thing to know and can really tidy up your work.
Here's one of my old projects and my very crappy attempt to fix it from a few years ago - I tried to fix it by having an absurd time sig to try and make it so my chorus section would line up

Here's the same part from my update earlier this year

(in this instance, I used moveR2 because there is a note on the final beat of measure 17. moveR2 moves it so it's on the C chord)

and like here for example, 122 would be a new Solo section.
We'd also need to use moveR1 here because if we just place it regularly on that new measure, it will break the link-next status.
moveR1 here lets you start that new solo section on the 12b start of that slide and keeps the pitched link-next slide combined

[humble musk]

I see. That's pretty cool. Thanks for the explanation. 🙏 I think I did it right then?
Also, should I use movers here too?

[silver agate]

yup, all those would be moveR jobs to me.

Just make sure when you mark the section - you don't have the mark as phrase box checked. that is one time to deviate from that rule to have both checked.
You want the moveR phrase and then Section be different

atm, from them screenshots, both the phrase and section are the same name

whereas if you peep my screenshot, you'll notice the phrase (in the green highlight) says moveR, but the white text above (the section) is the section name

[humble musk]

something like this?

[silver agate]

there we go

[humble musk]

nice! I got the rest fixed as well

[silver agate]

noice

[humble musk]

v0.6 - Small update
Alt. lead
-Added mover phrases
Bass
-Fixed 2G slide (I used a tech note instead of a linked one, so it slid gradually, which is not what I wanted)

[bright marsh]

probably best to exclude sustain inside of handshapes like this... unless it's a very long sustained note inside of a handshape, it's already implied by the handshape length that the note will be sustained

feels like this could be an acoustic tone here instead of a clean electric tone as well. I hear acoustic on the recording...

no break in handshape needed here... start the handshape grouping from that Eminor chord and include all those notes that fit in the chord shape after it

same here... nothing changes about the fingering and chord shape, don't let the handshape break unless there's a good reason to

not sure about what's going on here. at least remove the overlapping sustain on the 9B I'd say

by the end there is a clean elec. guitar playing along with the acoustic but I don't hear an electric guitar in the intro.

so I think ideally that intro should be an acoustic tone

other than that pretty good. There's a few bend parts that are implied to be played with finger 4 (pinky) that I wouldn't think is correct but not sure how to approach that tbh

like here. it's not bad but I generally don't bend with pinky so it seems a bit wrong to me

[humble musk]

Thank you checking out this chart too. 🙏 The 7e harmonic is played while the 8B is sustained. I don't know if it's the same guitar though.

[humble musk]

there's an electric guitar, it just plays its own thing 🙂 it's in the alt. lead arrangement

the default lead starts with an acoustic tone and then switches to a clean one when rhythm switches to a higher volume acoustic. I wanted to keep it acoustic too, but I only have 4 tone slots

edit: I could also just keep the low output acoustic one and not switch to the clean one.
edit2: or you mean the acoustic tone itself doesn't sound like an acoustic one?

[humble musk]

I think it doesn't feel too bad. also it's just a half step bend

[bright marsh]

But the overlapping note looks a little messy/ hard to read… since you have a handshape there, sustaining that note over the harmonic is already implied and having actual sustain on the note is redundant. I think it would look great with just the handshape and no note sustain

[bright marsh]

Yes. If you’re saying that first time in the lead path is supposed to be acoustic, it’s not. It’s a clean electric tone. I’d prefer a tone that actually simulates an acoustic guitar

FYI though if you needed a 5th tone, one that only happens in the beginning of the song there is a trick way to add that 😉, but I don’t think you need it for this song

[bright marsh]

I’d like to hear someone else’s thoughts on that maybe, or at least we can look for live footage since we should always defer to how the artist plays it

[bright marsh]

I'm not seeing any bending with pinky in this video https://youtu.be/dDev1QEA-e0?si=LzRGSlSTGabAYudO

there might be some other parts to adjust FHPs/ fingerings based on this too

[humble musk]

did I see it right? it was the index finger? just when the camera zoomed out

[bright marsh]

what time stamp you looking at? I haven't checked with the tab yet I just looked at the video

it might be middle finger, I saw a lot of bends being done with middle finger which is what I commonly use to bend a lot of notes, index finger is more rare to bend with I think

[humble musk]

3:10 https://youtu.be/dDev1QEA-e0?t=190

[bright marsh]

it does look like index

I'd go with that then, I think you can see a lot of the hand positions and finger use in this video

[humble musk]

I wish they'd kept the cam on the guitar a little longer 😕

[bright marsh]

I know, classic 🤦‍♂️

[humble musk]

what if I like my version better? I actually thought that was the way they played it because everything fit so well.. 😕

[bright marsh]

🤷‍♂️ maybe make yours alt lead? The goal of Rocksmith is really always to get close to how the original artist played it whenever possible

[humble musk]

alrighty 😕 I found more videos, will go over them and see if there are any other differences

[humble musk]

I think they play a different version live. the left image is the studio recording, the right one is live. the slides that are in the studio version don't exist in the live version. I turned the gain up quite high, but still don't see them. for example, that B -> E transition, in the live version they play 12B and it just slides down to A and then they switch to 9G to play E. it's in the video at 3:04 just when the cam switches to the guitar from drums

[humble musk]

I found a video from 2005 where he plays that part with bends at fhp 9 or 10 https://youtu.be/5s6a27aARHQ?t=174. the solo actually sounds decent in this one.
they don't show the first bend, but the second one is at 3:12. he plays it with the ring finger 🤔
I also didn't get how they played E. was it a 9G or 0e?

I think it was a 9G based on the index finger movement?
so it would be 12B (ring), 9G (index), 10B (index)?

[humble musk]

so the only other part with pinky bends is this one. I could move it to lower frets. will be also faster to switch after arpeggios

[humble musk]

I found the problem. I had the base tone key set to clean in dlc builder 🫣

[humble musk]

I updated the final part of the solo based on this video. I think that's the way he played it, though I'm not sure. I also added two slides and a hammer-on

[humble musk]

Thanks again for the feedback. 🙏 I think I fixed most of the issues.
I also went through the song again and added some extra notes as well as slides and bends. I didn't keep track of all the changes, but I made a lot of them, especially the alt. lead. There are still differences between the default and alt. leads, because I'm not sure about some parts, especially the bends and slides. That part with the 7e harmonic, I kept it only in the alt. lead. The normal lead now plays something different.

That 12B right after the arpeggio is actually a 9D, so I didn't need to move it.

I also added a new rhythm arrangement. It should be closer to the way they play it live. I could also copy it to lead later.

v0.7
-Shortened/removed sustains
-Fixed base lead tone
-Updated handshapes
-Updated fret hand positions
-Moved rhythm to alt. rhythm
-Added new rhythm based on live footage
-Added missing vibrato
-Added missing slides
-Changed notes
-Updated solo

[bright marsh]

Ok playing through this let me react my thoughts as I go along here...

First off there DOES seem to be an acoustic tone in the intro now at least but I think it really isn't a great one IMO. It could be fixed by adjusting the EQ and various settings I suppose, or maybe find a completely different one?

There is a lot of mid range and lack of high end fidelity that really makes it still sound more like an electric guitar IMO. if you want me to come up with a suggestion of a tone or make a new one for you I could probably do that.

At the very least I'd turn it down a little and maybe reduce some mids in the Acoustic Emulator and the DI Pre Tube, increase the tone on the acoustic emulator a little, and increase the bass on the DI Pre. the Graphic EQ also seems to be a bit extreme as all the frequencies from 200HZ and up are all maxed out 👀

let me continue playing now

I think this handshape should be fingered as 1-3 because the next handshape after it uses the full D chord shape and needs finger 3 on the B string

same thing happens again a few seconds later and possibly other points in the song

I'm not as strongly opposed to it as some are, but consider that force sustaining chords like this is not really desired, and should probably be used very rarely. I think just the handshape from the chord without the force sustain would work fine

ODLC rarely does it and if they do it's for less cluttered chords like power chords and octaves I think

when the clean tone comes in almost halfway through, I might consider turning that down just a little smidge 🤏

[humble musk]

yea, it was my attempt to boost the volume. the tone itself is from 3 Doors Down - Let Me Go. if you know a good tone, that would help me a lot

[bright marsh]

sliding up with the pinky (4th finger lane) feels a little weird I think... possibly just shift to FHP10 sliding to FHP12 there, or I am wondering if maybe that first hammer on is actually a slide

which would change that part a little bit but possibly make more sense

I'm just a little suspicious of the pinky sliding I think at the least that could be adjusted

I think this FHP should probably wait to change until the note there, the 10B - I don't see a reason to change FHP where it is now I'd say

same here. possibly a remnent of some shifting phrase locations

well for that one the phrase it self starts there

would prefer to move that phrase to where the slide starts I think

that's a situation where it's ok to start a phrase on a different beat than beat 1

I don't think that 2A should have a sustain. it's already inside a handshape which usually implies sustain/ ringing out. I think it would look great without sustain on that note

all in all much improved! 🙌

the leads were much more smooth and fun to play

let me peep some of the other paths. I wonder if I'm going to like the way you have the rhythm path more than it is on the lead

[humble musk]

yea, they actually play it a little differently. I tried to get as close as I could based on the videos I found

[bright marsh]

Yeah this is way more comfortable to me. I had suspicions of the way it is charted currently on the lead

this part right?

hang on

[humble musk]

yep

[bright marsh]

it feels way easier and more natural to play imo. if they played it like that live I'm thinking it must be the correct way

[humble musk]

they also play that one with 3E at FHP 2

[bright marsh]

there's something here I'm noticing to keep in mind for ALL paths...

look how much gap there is between the handshape and the next one, when the notes actually audibly sustain all the way to the next handshape

you may have been told "make sure to extend your handshape a little past the last note"

but that's a little simplified way of explaining it

you want the handshape to extend as long is the note is actually held, while still leaving a gap before the next note/ handshape

so right now you have this:

let me show you how it should look

something like this

happens in some other places throught on multiple paths

[humble musk]

thank you, will get it fixed 🙏

[bright marsh]

this is what you have

vs

this

hopefully that makes sense

[humble musk]

yep

[bright marsh]

if the note stops audibly of course don't extend it but I see exactly what you did here, these just need to extend to near the next note/ handshape

[humble musk]

yep, I just extended it a little bit past the note and not accounted for how long it lasts

[bright marsh]

I thought so, the mentality is a little bit different than simply extending past the note which is why I always thought that was a poor way to explain it to people

so the rhythm same thing with tones, they don't sound particularly great or like an acoustic to me. and another weird thing is you change at one point to something you named "high gain acoustic" which in itself is an odd name choice lol but the tone itself sounds about or exactly the same as the one before the change lol

if you're gonna do a tone change like that in terms of names, maybe just "low output acoustic" then "acoustic"

but personally I think with the right acoustic tone choice you may not even need a tone change event, we'll see

oh later it randomly changes again, to "acoustic"

the spot of that tone change itself is kinda odd

[humble musk]

yea, I have a low output, normal and high gain ones. there was just no better prefix

[bright marsh]

I definitely think you don't need 3

at most 2.

but the placement of that 3rd tone change is not right

it comes in the middle of where the music has already changed

it's not a valid spot for a tone change IMO, I don't hear that

[humble musk]

I see. I'll remove it then

[bright marsh]

so eventually do you think you might reduce the number of arrangements? I think you're only keeping alt lead because you're unsure about some parts right?

[humble musk]

probably only alt. rhythm. alt. lead has parts that lead doesn't play at all, so I have to keep it

I mean I can remove alt. rhythm

btw I wanted to ask something if you don't mind 🙂. is it an acoustic guitar playing the solo?

[bright marsh]

yeah that's def an acoustic there

[humble musk]

should I add it? 🤔

[bright marsh]

is that in the song? somewhere before the electric guitar solo?

what do you currently have there

[humble musk]

yea, it's a clip from the acoustic stem. it's when lead plays the solo I think

I need to check

[bright marsh]

wait so there is an elec. guitar solo on top of that

but that's an "acoustic" stem?

[humble musk]

yep. there's actually another electric guitar during the solo too. yea, it's only acoustic

[bright marsh]

if the elec. guitar is playing the same notes it doesnt really need to be acoustic or acoustic tone on any path right?

rhythm would be the chords

is it literally just doubling the electric guitar

I'm suprised it isolated that then TBH

waht did you use for stems

[humble musk]

it does seem to play something different

mvsep

[bright marsh]

then maybe put it on Alt Lead? I don't think it's a big deal if it's missing, if the electic guitar solo is prominent and overtaking the acoustic leads on that part

[humble musk]

what if I add a bonus lead instead of alt. rhythm?

[bright marsh]

I'd call it alt lead if possible, bonus at this point makes people think it's some sort of ER bass path

do you definitely need the Alt lead you have now?

[humble musk]

yea. I do like it 🙂

[bright marsh]

I'd def try to consolidate the arrangements if possible, something I'm sort of guilty of not doing 😅

I get yelled at about that from ppl like Emmy lol

[humble musk]

it's a complex chart (at least for me), so I don't know. I want to keep the alt. lead though

[bright marsh]

can you explain to me the difference between the alt lead and the lead and why anything on the alt is not incorporated on the main lead? I'm just a little confused, trying to look at both

and then maybe explain what the alt rhythm is at the moment

[humble musk]

okay. so initially I had it separated by acoustic/electric. acoustic was rhythm, electric was lead. then I was told to make a more fun to play lead, so I merged the acoustic arpeggio part and the lead part after it into lead and made the previous lead the alt. lead.

the current alt. rhythm is just rhythm, but not the way they play it live. it's usually what most tabs on the internet are

like they use 1B instead of 5G, for example

[bright marsh]

I’d probably at least reduce one of the rhythm paths if that’s the only difference. No reason to keep what the internet tabs have it’s just not right according to live footage and isn’t comfortable to play

I still don’t love the idea of 2 leads especially if the alt lead currently starts with a lot of empty space and has some gaps throughout

But that’s your prerogative if you feel strongly about keeping it. I think typically the lead should have as many parts to play for people while sticking to the leads/ solos and typically electric guitar unless there’s an acoustic or other part that feels like the main lead

And alt lead should have at least some notable differences while still being a full path if possible

[humble musk]

I think I'll keep it. it does have parts that are not in lead, because lead plays a rhythm part and then plays the actual lead part. also, the solo is a little different as well as some other differences, like that part with the 7e harmonic. I also like it cause it's more chill 😁
happy to remove the alt. rhythm

[humble musk]

ok, I checked it. it does play it together with the electric lead. the audio is from both stems

thanks again for the feedback and help with the chart. I'll be back with a new version to address the above

[bright marsh]

yeah I heard the parts where they deviate and it's cool/ interesting but may not necessitate a whole path since you already have alt lead how you want it. Most people will just want to play the default lead.

as far as acoustic tones, you can try the one I have in the creator tone google doc (might need to be reduced in volume for this song), or maybe one of my recent uploads. there's an acoustic on "Good Ol Days" by Hayley Williams that may work or possibly the one from "Why Don't You Get A Job?" by Offspring as I got some compliments on that one. They're all going to be similar and may need to some volume/ eq tweaks to fit the song.

[humble musk]

thank you. I'll check them out.

[humble musk]

I think it's a hammer-on, but I'm not sure. a slide also sounds good. here's a clip of it.
if it's a hammer-on, I could transpose it like this maybe?

[humble musk]

I also have a question about a similar part, the one right after the arpeggio. I see two slides on the spectrogram. 7G -> 9G and 9G -> 14G. and there's also an A an octave lower. would it be played like this?

[humble musk]

Thanks again for the feedback. 🙏 I think I managed to fix all of the above issues.

All the acoustic tones sound great, but I chose the one from the Offspring cdlc. I think it fits better. I decided not to fiddle with the parameters as I would probably just make it sound worse.

I still don't know if the above two parts are played that way, but it doesn't sound that bad I think. The second one is especially weird since that 7B is still sustained when 7G is played. I was thinking it could also be (FHP 2) 0e, 2e(h), 3B, 5B(h) -> (FHP 7) 10B, 7D.

v0.8
-Updated fingerings
-Removed chord sustains
-Transposed notes
-Moved FHPs
-Removed sustains
-Extended handshapes
-Removed third acoustic tone
-Removed clean tone change during arpeggio
-Removed alt. rhythm path
-Updated lead and alt. lead to use live footage arpeggio version
-Changed acoustic tone
-Increased bass volume

[bright marsh]

Lead seems pretty good to me right now 👍

Rhythm also seems good to me 👍

Alt lead: something seems a little weird about this part, it is hard to confirm what I'm hearing as that guitar is low in the mix but the problem is the playability of that handshape and mix of harmonic and non-harmonic technique notes

not really able to accomplish it as you have it charted

little FHP issue here on the alt lead

think that's about it for guitars

[humble musk]

I actually have a new version based on the feedback I received in dm that I forgot to post here 😅 it's mostly the same, I just updated the main lead to play more of the lead stuff and added some reverb to the lead tones. that fhp issue is also fixed 🫣

[bright marsh]

ah cool ty will take a look

gotta be close overall here

[humble musk]

I'm happy to change that 7D to a normal note. so the fingering is like this because I play the 7G with the index and it's closer to the 6th fret. and the middle finger is above the 7th fret for the harmonic

[bright marsh]

I'm definitely suspicious of it it's not easy to accomplish

I could be wrong for sure I'm not infallible by any means lol but I try to call it out if it feels wrong

[humble musk]

it sounds nice though

[humble musk]

here's a clip of it. it's only in one of the channels and very quiet

[bright marsh]

it sounds like non harmonic note on the 7D to me, could just be an artiface of the stem splitting tbh that gives it any different quality. I'm not hearing it clearly as natural harmonic

it would sound more like an octave up

[humble musk]

I see. I'll change it then

[bright marsh]

yeah I'm pretty sure it's not harmonic. I don't hear the high octave

[humble musk]

thank you. here's the fixed version

[bright marsh]

Bass: I have a feeling this is transposed to 5 and 7 on the D string, a big giveaway is the slide out at the end, not likely that it slides 1 fret down from 2nd fret, more likely it slides a bit longer from the 7th fret on the D string

plus there's some other parts of the song doing some fills up at the 7th and 5th frets

that's it for bass everything else seemed good 👍

[humble musk]

thank you. it does slide down all the way to F or E, so it is 5D and 7D.

v0.11

• Transposed 0G 2G to 5D 7D

[chilly lance]

I love this song and have been watching and playing throughout its progress. I see it's been a bit and hasn't been posted to CF though. We spoke regarding a little feedback separately a while back and had no other issues, but I'm not a charter... @bright marsh did you notice any other minor issues with this one?

[bright marsh]

Thanks for the reminder to check this I just have had limited time recently, I apologize. Surely it's close though, looking forward to checking it out and help wrap it up 🙂

[bright marsh]

was there lyrics on this or is my version/ game bugging?

don't recall there ever being lyrics I guess

Lead seems really good only part I wonder about is this since it's kind of an odd way to finger that octave and I'm not really sure what exactly I can hear there lead guitar-wise, I can't make those notes out without stem separation 🧐

bass seems good now to me

let me know about lyrics. iirc you've done them before so I'd love for them to be added before this gets posted if possible otherwise I think i'm pretty much good with everything other than maybe looking in to whats going on in that screenshot above

[chilly lance]

I mentioned to him that part to me sounded like 9D (wide vibrato), 9G->11G, 7G->9G, 5D->7D . I don't really hear the octave either. It's hard to tell even in the stem.

[humble musk]

thanks for checking it out. no, there are no lyrics yet, will add them later once everything else is ironed out. it's just the easiest part.

so that one is something I've been wondering about too for a while. and the way I have it now just fits better I think and aligns with the spectrogram. but I might be totally wrong as well. this is the clip #1443761077593575518 message
I wasn't sure about the fingering and since it's kinda cluttered at higher frets I used 2-4. should I go with 1-4 instead?

I could also go with something like this maybe?

[valid fable]

As I'm sure pavs will tell you: you'll get just as much feedback on lyrics as you did the rest of the chart

[bright marsh]

this is true, it's best to get those on a draft as soon as you can because there will probably be lyric feedback to give as well

[humble musk]

alright, I'll add them in the next version then. so should I leave everything as it is now and just change the fingering?

[humble musk]

Another update. No major changes, just lowered tone volume slightly, added lyrics and updated a few notes (only the main lead).
The above part with an octave is still something I'm not sure about and me and Cahill don't quite agree on. So I didn't update it.

v0.12

• Added lyrics
• Lowered clean tone from 20 to 19
• Lowered bass tone from 22.5 to 22
• Lowered acoustic tone from 28 to 27
• Transposed 8B 7B 7B 7B to 12G 11G 11G 11G
• Changed 12D -> 14D shift slide to legato slide
• Changed octave fingering to 1-4

[uncut yarrow]

just played this a few times on bass.
tone is pretty nice.
are these tabs official ? i feel like there's too much sustained notes when in some of them there should be a bit more ? sometimes it feels a bit disconnected, from the drums especially. i think it should be closer to what the acoustic guitar is doing ? (i did play it a few times hitting the notes that are there where they start but also was "embellishing" it all a bit as i went, and it sounded better although sometimes i was overdoing it 😅 )

im a noob tho, so everything im saying regarding the notes/tabbing might be off.

[chilly lance]

Fack. I just typed a ton of feedback and it didn't post... Grrrrr Think the pics were too big.

Anywho. TLDR version I guess. Still love the lead. Lyrics and rhythm are great. As before, not a huge fan of the alt lead but I know you really want it which is fine. Concentrated on bass tonight. Played against the bass stem several times. I hear a few missed notes and a slide just before the solo. Here are the pics (I hope) The notes are in these general areas as I was grabbing shots as I heard them. The last one is def the exact location it's missing. EDIT OK let me split them up then...

[humble musk]

Thanks for checking it out. Regarding sustains, that's what the bass in playing (at least in my stem), so I cannot add stuff that's not there. There could be something I missed, but most of the song is just sustains with occasional fills.

[humble musk]

Hmm, that's interesting. I went through the stem again, but don't hear anything else that's not already charted. Maybe the only thing is there's another note here?

[chilly lance]

I'll shoot ya my stem.

[uncut yarrow]

oh i'm not saying to add what's not there... it's just i feel like im listening (when im not playing along) to stuff that isnt there on the chart especially on some sustains. much like what Cahill said but i didnt listen to any isolated stem.

[humble musk]

I see. sorry, I misunderstood it. yeah, there are indeed a few notes that I missed. Cahill shared a better stem with me and I'm gonna update it shortly

[humble musk]

Another update, bass-only. Hope it's more accurate now. I was also wondering if I should move the slide to the D string.

v0.13
-Added missing up and down slide and notes
Thanks to attaboy and Cahill for feedback.

[chilly lance]

Bass seemed good to go to me. 👍 Didn't do a verbose compare to the stem again but def noticed a couple of the fixes.

[uncut yarrow]

i will try it a bit later

[bright marsh]

bass is all good for me

you changed this fingering on the lead though and it doesn't match the FHPs:

it's 1st and 4th finger but the FHP implies that the 17E is on the second finger

not sure how you wanna approach that though since the blue string slides are coming from the 4th finger lane:

I think that's it for me

again I just don't like that linked slide into that octave to begin with so idk 🤷‍♂️ I just doubt it's played like that but as is the FHP or the fingering should probably be adjusted. idk I think fingering being 2 and 4 again wouldn't bother me at the end of the day since at least it would be correct FHP

I know you're trying to finish it up so I think that's the only thing

Lyrics seem good to me too btw

I tried to listen to the isolated clip, it might just be that the 14D is not linked at all to the octave

so there's just a short octave slide going into the target octave

ya know something along these lines

idk

seems like some things would be more likely shifted to other strings though

could end up more like this?

I hate to throw in monkey wrench at the last minute but this is the only part that still bugged me

[chilly lance]

I don't hear the octave in my stems. In his clips, It could be bleedthrough from the other guitar. Of course, I could be completely wrong, but I've played the song many times and with it or the stems I still think it's: 9D (wide vibrato), 9G->11G, 7G->9G, 5D->7D It sounds good and is in line with their other songs and even this one. I don't like that octave especially on the low e that high up. Just my .02 again.

Play that along with his pull from the stem.

[bright marsh]

yeah I'd probably be fine not having it be octaves

I agree the octave that high on the neck and on the low E and D string doesn't seem right

[humble musk]

Thanks for checking it out. I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out this one. I still think it's an octave. The lower A alone just sounds too downbeat to me. If it's not an octave, I would rather go with the higher A. But then I also can't just throw away the lower A since it's on the spectrogram. The other guitar switches to Am when the octave starts, so it doesn't have a high A. But it's also acoustic, so it shouldn't be in that stem. Here's the clips I made with the same time range from the song itself, the guitar stem and the electric guitar stem. I could also ask in #creators to see if anyone else can weigh in on this. I also wouldn't mind going with an octave slide as a compromise #1443761077593575518 message.

[chilly lance]

Up to you, my friend. Your chart, your call. 🙂 I love the song and you did a great job on it. The electric stem still has the other guitar in it sooo. Octave or not, I really don't think it's that high up the fretboard either way. If you do chart it, I'd at least consider dropping it back to where you had it before (12G-14G) I believe.

[humble musk]

I don't think I can do it. I'll let Djpavs make the call. I updated it to an octave slide for now.

[chilly lance]

Perfect. Same notes, etc. etc. Give it a kiss and send it out into the world 🥳

[humble musk]

Well, I gotta wait for approval.🙂 Also, could it be that they just recorded them separately?

[valid fable]

its not so much approval as making sure theres not any pending feedback left to give before its uploaded

i like to think of it as more common courtesy

[humble musk]

https://ignition4.customsforge.com/cdlc/99260

@silver agate @bright marsh @chilly lance Thanks again for the feedback and all the help

• @uncut yarrow (I had to split it. the server timed me out for 4 mentions)

[uncut yarrow]

i ended up not having time for much playing, but seems like more knowledgeable fellas already gave it the ok on the bass anyway so 🫡

[humble musk]

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