#[FINISHED] Bowling For Soup - Girl All The Bad Guys Want

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faint spear
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you can put that on measure 1

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that goes for all the tracks

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you can put your count phrase exactly where it is on the lead track for all the tracks

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technically we didn't need 2 empty measures before the song starts but that's ok for now just something to consider next time

dense slate
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ive read that somewhere i dont remember now where

faint spear
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no, it's 1 empty measure before the song audio starts, sometimes the song starts before notes and we still may need an empty measure. It kind of depends though I've seen ODLC use a drum fill start in the middle of the count measure

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apparently this is how Beach Boys Surfin Safari is, the count measure starts then the 4th beat is a drum hit

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that's kind of an exception though best just do 1 empty bar before the start of the song audio

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should never start COUNT midway through any intro audio though

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it will cut off the extra intro audio when you start it in game if you do that

dense slate
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damn, i dont know if i can move the tempo map now so it doesnt break

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ill try

faint spear
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don't worry about tit

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or it

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😆

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I wouldn't try to fix that now

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that's the kind of thing will be too hard to fix without messing up and redoing too much

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that's why I said it's fine for now, just something to consider for next time

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at least you HAVE some empty measure before your notes. just move the COUNT phrase location on the tracks that need it

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usually that COUNT phrase can be global for this reason

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I can't think of a reason to make it track specific

dense slate
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so it worked

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its one back before the music

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also another question, when song starts and there is the fade in of fretboard, should fhp start the same way first note is placed or start from fhp1 and then go to the correct fhp on first note?

faint spear
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Not sure what you mean but I’m fairly sure the answer is whatever the first note FHP is. There should be the first FHP anchor placed directly on the first note

dense slate
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so lets say song starts on slide 12->4

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in some dlcs you see fret 1 on start of song

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and it then moves up to fret 12

faint spear
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Oh really? Can you tell me which song and I’ll look at what they’re doing in it?

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Oh I thought you mean ODLC btw

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If it’s CDLC that’s not necessarily something to follow as an example

dense slate
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😢

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i watch others on yt but i cant remember exact songs

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okay checked 3 songs that are odlc on yt and all start on fhp same as first note

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ill make that adjustment

faint spear
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there are some still left to buy as DLC 👀

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some that haven't been delisted

dense slate
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oh really? i didnt check, everyone on yt said there are no dlc and i took it at face value

faint spear
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yeah it's best spending some time looking at ODLC because you get an idea of how things are supposed to done most of the time

dense slate
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im just playing songs i dont have from YT videos when plugged to my amp as casual cheapo

faint spear
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I forget what's still left but there's a decent amount

dense slate
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this to NOGUITAR right?

faint spear
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yeah make a no guitar start there. but then you'll need to either make a new section/phrase for that slide or adjust the next one so it's included.

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don't put the slide in the no guitar section obv

dense slate
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oh crap

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can a section be 4 bars and 1 beat?

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😳

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or should i add back that middle section and split that 8 bar to 4

faint spear
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I have sometimes made small section/ phrase for just a slide

dense slate
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okay

faint spear
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but idk if thats discouraged

alpine pebble
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over 1000 DLC still up

dense slate
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ummm, i dont know either so we sit in that together

faint spear
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I prefer like you said to make the chorus actually start on the chorus

dense slate
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if emmy dunks on me ill say its your fault

faint spear
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when in doubt blame pavs 🥸

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The later the better with DLC anyway, as we look to the latest RS2014 DLC to see how we handle things, since they honed in their methods a bit more by then

dense slate
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okay, so far:

  • i fixed slides on bass you mentioned (all of them) to end on upcoming note,
  • made start fhp same as first note
  • moved whole track couple of bars so there is 1 bar count in
  • moved all count markers onto the beginning
  • changed the bass section (and did same in rhythm main) i marked slide section as TRANSITION 🤷‍♂️ i guess that works
  • there was some mistake in bass in the beginning with fhps one open note section was on 4 instead of 5
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ill now change fhp that we saw in the video

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should i add that slide from 7 to 9 or leave the strum version?

faint spear
dense slate
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Bowling For Soup performing "Girl All The Bad Guys Want" at Live and Very Attractive, Manchester, UK, 2007
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▶ Play video
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on lead guitar (and rhythm too probably) there is the part where he plays 5 with 1st finger then 7 with 3rd and slides to 9 with third finger

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in current tab its 5 with first finger, 7 with 1st finger and 9 with third but with no slide

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this is now

faint spear
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Ummm depends if you hear it in the studio version recording or not

dense slate
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and it can be like that

dense slate
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but im no professional

faint spear
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I’m not at my computer at the moment sorry

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I’ll be back later

dense slate
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alright

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okay so before i run it, i just changed it on main lead, first 2 occurences one is like 30 seconds in, alt lead i left the same, so i can compile it with the fixes i did and you can try and see which plays better main or alt lead (i added that slide)

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later when you are free lmk what you think and ill change it accordingly

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hopefully most mistakes are fixed

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so you know what i meant

dense slate
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I found the sinner, it was dell all along!
But yeah thats a cdlc not odlc.

alpine pebble
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hey, for a 2020 chart, that's pretty good kekw_Sob_Cry

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(my old shit is not worth referencing fyi. it wasn't until like this year, when we actually pushed the new standards, where I actually started doing stuff properly)

dense slate
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Can i send it to you somewhere when im done with that too? Probably wont be great but some starting point.

alpine pebble
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my DMs are always open, I'll probably just make my own version if I'm being completely honest though

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It's hard when it's an old chart, because you'd be building on something that's gonna be getting changed when I fix up my old work kekw_Sob_Cry

mystic geyser
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I'm digging the Megaherz songs in there

rugged rune
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if we can keep discussion here to the chart in hand that would be much appreciated 🙂

rugged rune
rugged rune
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@dense slate this discussion has been inactive for a month so im announcing that if there is no progress or communication on this by wednesday this feedback thread will be locked as this is an abandoned chart -- its been three days since ive asked if the chart was still being worked on and ive gotten no response to that either

rugged rune
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@dense slate this your last notice that we will lock this post and consider the chart abandoned if we get no response here in the next 24 hours.

rugged rune
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@dense slate due to repeated failure to respond to requests re: the current state of your chart and thread, this WIP is now considered abandoned and standard CF abandoned chart rules apply. Anyone interested in claiming this chart may DM me to claim it. This thread will be locked to future discussion until it has been reclaimed.

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[ABANDONED] Bowling For Soup - Girl All The Bad Guys Want

dense slate
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@rugged rune sorry, ive been at hospital for a while and i forgot when i came back. I have the psarx file ready with fixed volumes.

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Ill drop it here in a moment

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what do i do now

rugged rune
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Bowling For Soup - Girl All The Bad Guys Want

faint spear
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Would love to give it at least one more try tonight. Just a warning I may ask for the tone volume to be even lower 😆

rugged rune
dense slate
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Which one? The distortion?

rugged rune
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id start with lowering the volume of the distortion

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the delay doesnt seem nearly as bad to me but when the distortion is lowered it could be that it still needs adjustments

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ideally you want your tone to be a little louder than the song when both volumes are at 100/100 in the mixer

dense slate
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Is it a lot too loud or slightly?

rugged rune
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Slightly

dense slate
faint spear
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I think tones are probably good now. Definitely shouldn't be any lower IMO

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I do wish the highway wouldn't light up like this before the first note. remove any additional FHP anchor you've got there and see if you can't get that fixed

dense slate
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Hmmm,i can move count a bit, in charter each section marker automatically adds anchor point and i dunno if i can change that without switching to eof

faint spear
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There shouldn’t be a section there

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Section should start with the first note

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double check what’s going on there

dense slate
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I will and post a screen when im on pc

dense slate
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there is nothing between intro and count so i dunno how to fix it

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at most i could edit xml and remove fhp on count

faint spear
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Yeah is that red 4 on COUNT a FHP?

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Is this something that charter does? Force a FHP on the count phrase?

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That’s gonna be incorrect if so

dense slate
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every marker has forced fhp

faint spear
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The count phrase doesn’t need one so wish it didn’t

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Something we can mention to sai when they return to mess with charter updates again

dense slate
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i could try to patch it

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but i need to know what is supposed to happen

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should it not have fhp at all?

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how will fretboard anchor look like if there is no fhp on first measure? will it just start on what is next anchor? in this case intro marker

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is there anything besides this, that needs fixing? is it fine to leave it like that in case of charter?

rugged rune
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@faint spear

faint spear
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I saw. I can't force you to fix something that hasn't been fixed in charter. it's a relatively small deal in the scheme of things at this point

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there should be no FHP defined on the count phrase

dense slate
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i did fix it in xml file

faint spear
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hate to add more feedback as you are trying to finish, but this one part on bass is pretty weird and should be fixed:

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should go up to FHP4 here.....

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and stay on FHP4 for this 5E...

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because then we have this

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so going up to FHP4 should fix that.

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I don't remember these sustains being on these notes. def gonna wanna remove all these

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you can leave the sustain on that 7E slide obv, then continue to remove all the sustains in this bridge

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until you get to this note.

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that definitely needs to be taken care of though those sustains are not pretty

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and it falls under the general rule of thumb, sustains less than a beat get removed

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lead: I hate to say it but I'd love you to turn the distortion tone up just a hair 😅 I think it went a little too far down.. I'm sorry

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these A5s should really be in the same handshape and not show A5 chord name twice

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same thing for that every time it happens in the song

faint spear
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those are my thoughts at this point. still really close but those things should def get fixed Prayge especially the bass sustains and the weird FHP moment

dense slate
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Alr i will change

dense slate
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faint spear
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no problem on the ping. Haven't had the time/ energy to try it yet. thanks for the reminder.

faint spear
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gonna send a test file with my tone tweaks in a moment but there's some parts with octaves that need to be handshaped together if you can take care of those, I just noticed it

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and here too

faint spear
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did some adjustments on ALL guitar tones. had ctrl test it too and we're feeling pretty good about it so grab tones from this file and replace them, and if you can fix the handshapes on the 2 parts with sliding octaves that would be swell.

dense slate
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so it continuous here?

faint spear
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yeah

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little detail but that's the last thing I noticed before calling it done

faint spear
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I showed it in my EOF screenshots but I know you have to translate to charter dont you

dense slate
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yeah, just making sure ill get to it soon

dense slate
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i think it should be good

faint spear
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There we go. Lookin good

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Can’t final check it til later but if everyone is feeling good about it I feel like publishing it is probably ok. I think since you’re taking over the abandoned chart you gotta get a mod to help anyway though

dense slate
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hmmm at start i think i talked about it with dell but dell is not red anymore?

rugged rune
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I still am, but I would like pavs or someone else to give a final opinion before it’s uploaded

dense slate
faint spear
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Alright I’ll double check it all

dense slate
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@faint spear do you have some other tips for this one or can we upload it?

faint spear
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Shoot. Knew I was forgetting something. Will play test tonight or tomorrow at the latest

faint spear
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Lead and Alt lead are good to go IMO. there is something worth changing in the Rhythm though... the prechorus shouldn't have these palm mutes IMO

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and while you're at it, chord unpitched slides like this would look better with about a 16th note size handshape, then extend the unpitched slide out past the handshape

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first one is obviously more important

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I think the chords for this part are more like this too, what's in the chart now is a little overcomplicated

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not even sure this is there

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idk. I'd have to look at live footage for that

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Alt rhythm - not seeing the point of the tremolo picking on the last note of the piano part

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nothing like that is in the song

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don't remember that being in alt lead, lemme check

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oh right it switches to the guitar on alt lead

dense slate
# faint spear not even sure this is there

hmmm, they dont really show that part in live i saw, but i think you can hear the change on the last 2 notes, maybe without the slide

maybe something like this?
or should i just make the second part all 1/8s with the 7-7-7 and no change on last 2 notes

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i think i got all things you mentioned besides that part so far

dense slate
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faint spear
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Hm whatever I just tried doesn't seem to have the changes you mentioned tbh, I'll restart the game but I'm fairly sure I have the right file and it's the same as the previous version

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nvm I see them now Idk what the issue was, maybe multiple files in my DLCfolder

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second time around you still have slide on this part, whatever you choose just make it consistent both times. My vote would be remove them entirely and keep on the 7-7-7 A5 chord like that tab screenshot I sent but at the end of the day I can't force a smaller detail like that

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I'm like 98 percent sure it's just bass doing those C# to D notes and guitars do not do it

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that would include these too

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don't think the guitars change there until the next chord, the A5

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little detail but there's some chords missing names, this should say D5

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I think that's on Alt Rhythm but check the other paths too

faint spear
faint spear
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here's the next line of this tab reference just in case you want it.

dense slate
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Im pretty sure i changed it but maybe wrong xml is loaded

dense slate
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faint spear
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Tried all the guitar paths I'm happy with those. only thing I caught - and maybe it's not a big deal is - I think this slide doesnt happen on bass. seems like it should just continue the 7Es note until the change to the 5Es there after the slide

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another small detail but I'd recommend accents on these last 3 notes

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I think that's honestly it for me

dense slate
hallow root
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@dense slate I absolutely LOVE this chart. One of the tone switches threw me off just a bit but im a noob but great job

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Were you the one that made this one too?
Idk where i got this from

dense slate
dense slate
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@faint spear
Can you take a peek if there is something else that needs changing when you have free moment vibing blinkieheart

faint spear
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My bad, been busy with work and other projects. checking it now

faint spear
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I know I have an updated version though because I see the accents at the end

dense slate
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Weird im pretty sure that slide is gone but ill check tomorrow when i wake up

faint spear
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Yeah double check, and maybe send me a new one, and I’ll fire it up again to make sure

dense slate
dense slate
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Its my bad that i missed it, i put wrong xml into dlc checked it before adding accent and then i took wrong file added accents and ended up with the slide not fixed monkaS
I should tidy up my project folder

wise fulcrum
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Thanks for making this, was really fun to play. Also one of my favorite songs. Looking forward to seeing this on customsforge.

dense slate
rugged rune
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@faint spear is it ok for him to upload

faint spear
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Seems good yeah I checked the bass and that last thing I mentioned with the slide is fixed now, there's no slide like there should be

dense slate
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i need to backtrack a bit cuz i forgot how it was supposed to be

faint spear
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how do you mean about metatags I'm not sure what that is in this context

dense slate
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this stuff mostly

faint spear
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oh ok.

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that looks good to me so far

dense slate
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does everyone use google drive for it?

faint spear
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also right click one of the arrangements and do this

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wait

dense slate
faint spear
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this rather

dense slate
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hmm i have option like this

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i always click that

faint spear
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sweet

dense slate
faint spear
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that's what I meant anyway I think

faint spear
dense slate
faint spear
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I use a mediafire account but that's for a different reason, I pay for a premium mediafire for extra storage and links that automatically download etc

faint spear
dense slate
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aight

faint spear
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yup that's a mac though make sure you don't switch the 2 when uploading. the PC is the main one we want

dense slate
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ye ye, just wanted to confirm

faint spear
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it works and should directly download or did for me

dense slate
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do i make it as new upload or we tie it to the one from the ramen guy

faint spear
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yeah you need a mod to help you take over the abandoned one. that will be a better option and why we were so adamant and making sure the new version was much improved and won't need futher tweaks, because everyone will get notified who has downloaded it before

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theyll make the swap and let you know and give you a link or whatever when it's ready to update then you can just make sure to update it to a new version number and make any other relevant changes to the record including authors notes, and a brief description of what's in the different paths etc

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and usually something like this:

This chart has been taken over from the Abandoned User list and updated to follow the new charting standards.

dense slate
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do i send dm to someone or put links here?

faint spear
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@rugged rune should be able to help you

dense slate
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oki

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i enabled dms just in case for this server

faint spear
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that's why they were asking and make sure I was good with it, because I think they played it too and were happy with it other than my last final notes

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so we should be good now

dense slate
# faint spear so we should be good now

Thank you a lot for help and guidance, and ctrl and emmy dell. You helped me learn a lot, its been a while for this one song here but in the meantime I started learning to make other charts I wanted to make for myself and it greatly improved the way I'm doing them now with all of your tips.

faint spear
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youre welcome sorry I wasn't always able to get to it fast enough, life gets in the way and it kind of slips out of my mind as well sometimes even when I'm free, I didn't mind the reminders at all

dense slate
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@rugged rune sorry to bother you but do i need to send something somewhere? Like an application on discord or on forge?

faint spear
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I haven't heard from him today either but he should be able to help once he's available, an application is kind of a cool idea though

dense slate
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Aight. Wanted to make sure im not missing something. For application, forge maintainer can probably introduce some ticket/mail system where you mark a specific song that you wish to take, then its sent to the ticketing system/mod mail for checking and if its valid could click somebutton to change owner. If its all on the forge part if you sent it as specific user it would also have reference to who made request.

faint spear
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Yeah I think that's a good idea. because otherwise, claiming an abandoned chart is kind of up in the air of how to contact the mods to make it happen. it's relying on people to do it on discord or something and even know how to contact mods

dense slate
faint spear
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I like it

dense slate
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so clicking accept or reject as mod would lead to auth link that when verified changes owner of dlc to requester in message

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#ignition4 message
maybe someday

rugged rune
dense slate
faint spear
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I thought we were reclaiming the old ramen one

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abandoned

dense slate
faint spear
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makes sense to do so since it's literally an updated version of that CDLC, and will give everyone a notification of update for the new version

dense slate
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do i change version to 1.0 then?

faint spear
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You'll want to remove (Ramen's Ver) from the records title as well obv

faint spear
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I'd like to see it as an update and claiming of the abandoned. that's why we need mod help. hold for that

dense slate
faint spear
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they have to transfer the record to you

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this kind of thing is exactly why I like the idea of a formal request for claiming the abandoned records

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less confusion

dense slate
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which is ramen version djpavs mentions

faint spear
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A new better version will still be appreciated, but to me it makes more sense to claim the original record so an update will push to everyone who had the last version

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they will get a little notification that says it was updated from V1.3 to V2

dense slate
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here are links
PC: https://drive.usercontent.google.com/download?id=1UKdiuCWM8i6u4NUzsFI3t9IB3NAAyhEu&export=download

MAC: https://drive.usercontent.google.com/download?id=18Ua7-nxddVEnPmlua56WCxJAvbBKfdMb&export=download

faint spear
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plus that way we have one less abandoned record and less duplicates of the same song

faint spear
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no worries 😆

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make sure when the record is transferred over to remove the (Ramen's Ver) from the title and make any other relevant changes to the arrangement info, genre tags, and author's notes to give info on what your arrangements entail, like say what the differences between the alt arrangements are etc @dense slate

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and then obv change version number to 2

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and update links

dense slate
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GENERAL
Matched the whole beatmap to be on time with a song.
Split song into correct phrases and section for riff repeater, with verses and choruses set.
Changed some notes in verse sections for both lead and rhythm to match official tabs and recording more.
Corrected all FHPs in all paths.
Changed slides to end on notes closer to what is being played.
Updated all tones.

LEAD
Adjusted intro melody section handshapes to better represent how its played (From 3,4 finger to 1,2)
Removed piano section from lead before outro (kept it in alternative path), added the arpeggio on first 3 strings instead as you can hear it in song.

RHYTHM
Cleaned all handshapes so notes show up correctly.
Removed arpeggio from rhythm section before outro. (Added overlaid piano melody in alternative path instead).

BASS
Made bass more accurate and consistent across the song.
Adjusted FHPs to feel more comfortable on bass.

LYRICS
Adjusted lyrics line breaking in some cases for better screen presentation.
Fixed some syllable breaks.
Cleared some spelling issues and punctuaction.

Overall chart has been brought to 2025 standard with exemplary help of Djpavs, Emmy Dell and ctrl.

these are my rough notes

faint spear
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what about alt arrangments

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isnt there an alt lead

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and an alt rhythym?

dense slate
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its mentioned in lead and rhythm

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but i can separate it

faint spear
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oh I see it's under those

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yeah maybe separate them would be my advice

dense slate
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ill look at couple of dlcs to see how they write it

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and ill try to make it written better, im just not too great with write ups

faint spear
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it's not bad at all just giving my 2 cents

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syllabe should be syllable btw little misspell there

dense slate
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right

faint spear
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here's one of mine

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just an example, I think what you've got is pretty good too, you don't have to do exactly like this

dense slate
faint spear
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just keep it succinct as possible but with all relevant info, since most people either will ignore the author's notes or try to look at it quickly to see what's what

dense slate
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ill slim down what ive had

dense slate
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UPDATE: 05/12/25 - V2

This chart has been taken over from the abandoned list and updated to follow the new charting standards.
Cleaned paths, various visual improvements, tone tweaks.

Thanks to Djpavs, Emmy-Dell and ctrl for play testing and feedback.

- Lead is clean / distortion lead electric guitar.
- Alternate Lead is clean / distortion lead electric guitar including piano arrangement before Outro.
- Rhythm is distortion rhythm electric guitar.
- Alternate Rhythm is clean / distortion rhythm electric guitar including piano arrangement before Outro.
- Bass is played with a pick.

Changes:
- Added Alternative Lead and Rhythm with fill in piano arrangements.
- Added a little leading silence.
- Fixed beat map sync with a song.
- Added phrases and sections for riff repeater.
- Re-balanced audio levels and updated all tones.

- Changed some notes to match official tabs and recording.
- Corrected all FHPs in all paths.
- Changed slides to end on notes closer to what is being played.

- Adjusted Lead intro melody hand shapes for easier playing.
- Cleaned all hand shapes so notes show up correctly.

- Made bass more accurate and consistent across the song.
- Adjusted FHPs to feel more comfortable on bass.

- Adjusted lyrics line breaking in some cases for better screen presentation.
- Fixed some syllable breaks.
- Cleared some spelling issues and punctuation.
alpine pebble
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catgasm when people use the auto-download version for their links

dense slate
alpine pebble
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Two bits you have to change from the normal ''copy link'' option you get from gdrive:

  1. the start of it changes from https://drive.google.com/file/d/ to https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=

  2. you then just have to remove the /view?usp=drive_link part completly from the end of it.

(if you wanted to save that anywhere if you ever forget LUL )

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or I guess since you've done it once now, you can always open up that record page and look there Wowee

dense slate
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and if i ever forget, ill just open one of songs i like made by you

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and ill see how its done

alpine pebble
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auto-download is becoming a little more common these days, just be wary of some rogue reports you may get from people whose adblocks cause issues and doesn't download the file - I've dealt with a few of those in the past.

dense slate
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i had my friend test it for me and djpavs tested here too earlier so i can stay sure it works

rugged rune
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I’ll reassign ownership when I get home

dense slate
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Oki

alpine pebble
alpine pebble
dense slate
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Ill boot pc and check

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Can i bother you when i need help

alpine pebble
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sure LUL I'm around

dense slate
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Its my first time

dense slate
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oh bot ate my message again

alpine pebble
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no bot in my dms Lurkk

dense slate
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does this stay?

alpine pebble
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nah, I'll remove that in a sec for ya NODDERS

dense slate
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also i just wanted to say i added spotify link, and used genre you used for bfs - 1985

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checked both links just in case, they work

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also changed length to match the dlc length i checked in game

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and i wasnt sure if i need to add intrument requirements / tags because i feel nothing is needed, i just added picked bass because its picked

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the abandoned text is gone, yay

alpine pebble
dense slate
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thank you

alpine pebble
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no problemo, all the necessary stuff was filled out appropriately

dense slate
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glad to hear

alpine pebble
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all that's left now is to just update the name of this post to include [FINISHED] at the start 🙂

dense slate
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[FINISHED] Bowling For Soup - Girl All The Bad Guys Want

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there

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it sure was fun, thank you everyone for help

alpine pebble
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oh, you're also completely fine with maintaining said file and updating it in the future if it ever gets reported? (it shouldn't)

dense slate
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yeah

alpine pebble
dense slate
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i plan to make more songs too but im figuring out gp8

alpine pebble
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PeepoSalute good luck, god speed