#[FINISHED] Bowling For Soup - Girl All The Bad Guys Want
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that goes for all the tracks
you can put your count phrase exactly where it is on the lead track for all the tracks
technically we didn't need 2 empty measures before the song starts but that's ok for now just something to consider next time
oh alright, i thought its supposed to be 2 bars before start of the notes
ive read that somewhere i dont remember now where
no, it's 1 empty measure before the song audio starts, sometimes the song starts before notes and we still may need an empty measure. It kind of depends though I've seen ODLC use a drum fill start in the middle of the count measure
apparently this is how Beach Boys Surfin Safari is, the count measure starts then the 4th beat is a drum hit
that's kind of an exception though best just do 1 empty bar before the start of the song audio
should never start COUNT midway through any intro audio though
it will cut off the extra intro audio when you start it in game if you do that
don't worry about tit
or it
😆
I wouldn't try to fix that now
that's the kind of thing will be too hard to fix without messing up and redoing too much
that's why I said it's fine for now, just something to consider for next time
at least you HAVE some empty measure before your notes. just move the COUNT phrase location on the tracks that need it
usually that COUNT phrase can be global for this reason
I can't think of a reason to make it track specific
so it worked
its one back before the music
also another question, when song starts and there is the fade in of fretboard, should fhp start the same way first note is placed or start from fhp1 and then go to the correct fhp on first note?
Not sure what you mean but I’m fairly sure the answer is whatever the first note FHP is. There should be the first FHP anchor placed directly on the first note
i played some cdlc where when the dlc starts its always on FHP1 and then when first note shows up it then moves to the fhp the note is placed on
so lets say song starts on slide 12->4
in some dlcs you see fret 1 on start of song
and it then moves up to fret 12
Oh really? Can you tell me which song and I’ll look at what they’re doing in it?
Oh I thought you mean ODLC btw
If it’s CDLC that’s not necessarily something to follow as an example
i only have songs from CF since LP edition doesnt come with anything
😢
i watch others on yt but i cant remember exact songs
okay checked 3 songs that are odlc on yt and all start on fhp same as first note
ill make that adjustment
oh really? i didnt check, everyone on yt said there are no dlc and i took it at face value
yeah it's best spending some time looking at ODLC because you get an idea of how things are supposed to done most of the time
im just playing songs i dont have from YT videos when plugged to my amp as casual cheapo
the more time goes on, the more DLC gets delisted as most of them had a certain number of years that they were licensed
I forget what's still left but there's a decent amount
this to NOGUITAR right?
yeah make a no guitar start there. but then you'll need to either make a new section/phrase for that slide or adjust the next one so it's included.
don't put the slide in the no guitar section obv
oh crap
can a section be 4 bars and 1 beat?
😳
or should i add back that middle section and split that 8 bar to 4
I have sometimes made small section/ phrase for just a slide
okay
but idk if thats discouraged
ummm, i dont know either so we sit in that together
I prefer like you said to make the chorus actually start on the chorus
when in doubt blame pavs 🥸
The later the better with DLC anyway, as we look to the latest RS2014 DLC to see how we handle things, since they honed in their methods a bit more by then
okay, so far:
- i fixed slides on bass you mentioned (all of them) to end on upcoming note,
- made start fhp same as first note
- moved whole track couple of bars so there is 1 bar count in
- moved all count markers onto the beginning
- changed the bass section (and did same in rhythm main) i marked slide section as TRANSITION 🤷♂️ i guess that works
- there was some mistake in bass in the beginning with fhps one open note section was on 4 instead of 5
ill now change fhp that we saw in the video
should i add that slide from 7 to 9 or leave the strum version?
What do you mean by this
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on lead guitar (and rhythm too probably) there is the part where he plays 5 with 1st finger then 7 with 3rd and slides to 9 with third finger
in current tab its 5 with first finger, 7 with 1st finger and 9 with third but with no slide
this is now
Ummm depends if you hear it in the studio version recording or not
and it can be like that
i dont hear slide
but im no professional
alright
okay so before i run it, i just changed it on main lead, first 2 occurences one is like 30 seconds in, alt lead i left the same, so i can compile it with the fixes i did and you can try and see which plays better main or alt lead (i added that slide)
later when you are free lmk what you think and ill change it accordingly
hopefully most mistakes are fixed
the mentioned slide from 7 to 9
so you know what i meant
I found the sinner, it was dell all along!
But yeah thats a cdlc not odlc.
hey, for a 2020 chart, that's pretty good 
(my old shit is not worth referencing fyi. it wasn't until like this year, when we actually pushed the new standards, where I actually started doing stuff properly)
emmy, i love toten hosen songs so i just started adding guitar to "Zehn Kleine Jagermeister" in the meantime
Can i send it to you somewhere when im done with that too? Probably wont be great but some starting point.
my DMs are always open, I'll probably just make my own version if I'm being completely honest though
It's hard when it's an old chart, because you'd be building on something that's gonna be getting changed when I fix up my old work 
I'm digging the Megaherz songs in there
if we can keep discussion here to the chart in hand that would be much appreciated 🙂
is this still being worked on?
@dense slate this discussion has been inactive for a month so im announcing that if there is no progress or communication on this by wednesday this feedback thread will be locked as this is an abandoned chart -- its been three days since ive asked if the chart was still being worked on and ive gotten no response to that either
@dense slate this your last notice that we will lock this post and consider the chart abandoned if we get no response here in the next 24 hours.
@dense slate due to repeated failure to respond to requests re: the current state of your chart and thread, this WIP is now considered abandoned and standard CF abandoned chart rules apply. Anyone interested in claiming this chart may DM me to claim it. This thread will be locked to future discussion until it has been reclaimed.
[ABANDONED] Bowling For Soup - Girl All The Bad Guys Want
@rugged rune sorry, ive been at hospital for a while and i forgot when i came back. I have the psarx file ready with fixed volumes.
Ill drop it here in a moment
what do i do now
Bowling For Soup - Girl All The Bad Guys Want
Would love to give it at least one more try tonight. Just a warning I may ask for the tone volume to be even lower 😆
i would second the tone volume still being too loud
Which one? The distortion?
id start with lowering the volume of the distortion
the delay doesnt seem nearly as bad to me but when the distortion is lowered it could be that it still needs adjustments
ideally you want your tone to be a little louder than the song when both volumes are at 100/100 in the mixer
Ye but i think my setup might be the problem. I have tried to get it as close as possible but maybe my pickups are weird. I got some "cheap" entry level ibanez guitar set on humbucker, tone 100 and volume 100 and on my end rn i have to make music sound down to 65 and guitar to 100 to make them even sounding in volume. Might be my interface too because i dont have official RS Cable.
Is it a lot too loud or slightly?
Slightly
got it down 2 points, had to change version back to testing (might need to delete old one, i lowered version back from 2 to 1.XX)
I think tones are probably good now. Definitely shouldn't be any lower IMO
I do wish the highway wouldn't light up like this before the first note. remove any additional FHP anchor you've got there and see if you can't get that fixed
Hmmm,i can move count a bit, in charter each section marker automatically adds anchor point and i dunno if i can change that without switching to eof
There shouldn’t be a section there
Section should start with the first note
double check what’s going on there
I will and post a screen when im on pc
there is nothing between intro and count so i dunno how to fix it
at most i could edit xml and remove fhp on count
Yeah is that red 4 on COUNT a FHP?
Is this something that charter does? Force a FHP on the count phrase?
That’s gonna be incorrect if so
it forces fhp on all phrases
every marker has forced fhp
The count phrase doesn’t need one so wish it didn’t
Something we can mention to sai when they return to mess with charter updates again
i could try to patch it
but i need to know what is supposed to happen
should it not have fhp at all?
how will fretboard anchor look like if there is no fhp on first measure? will it just start on what is next anchor? in this case intro marker
is there anything besides this, that needs fixing? is it fine to leave it like that in case of charter?
@faint spear
I saw. I can't force you to fix something that hasn't been fixed in charter. it's a relatively small deal in the scheme of things at this point
there should be no FHP defined on the count phrase
i did fix it in xml file
ill have a look into charter code later, here is fixed psarc, should i change it to version 2 and upload somewhere now?
hate to add more feedback as you are trying to finish, but this one part on bass is pretty weird and should be fixed:
should go up to FHP4 here.....
and stay on FHP4 for this 5E...
because then we have this
so going up to FHP4 should fix that.
I don't remember these sustains being on these notes. def gonna wanna remove all these
you can leave the sustain on that 7E slide obv, then continue to remove all the sustains in this bridge
until you get to this note.
that definitely needs to be taken care of though those sustains are not pretty
and it falls under the general rule of thumb, sustains less than a beat get removed
lead: I hate to say it but I'd love you to turn the distortion tone up just a hair 😅 I think it went a little too far down.. I'm sorry
these A5s should really be in the same handshape and not show A5 chord name twice
same thing for that every time it happens in the song
just turn it up a few decimal points, that should be good. and I think this applies to all the guitar tones equally so adjust them the same
those are my thoughts at this point. still really close but those things should def get fixed
especially the bass sustains and the weird FHP moment
Alr i will change
Hmmm, i had it separate to see the last being not muted. But ill change it then.
Got tones except for bass up by 0,4.
Removed the sustains in bridge.
Changed the mentioned fhp.
Removed the doubled handshapes on all guitar parts.
Hopefully i didnt miss anything.
@faint spear can you take a peek sometime when you are free? sorry for ping
no problem on the ping. Haven't had the time/ energy to try it yet. thanks for the reminder.
gonna send a test file with my tone tweaks in a moment but there's some parts with octaves that need to be handshaped together if you can take care of those, I just noticed it
and here too
did some adjustments on ALL guitar tones. had ctrl test it too and we're feeling pretty good about it so grab tones from this file and replace them, and if you can fix the handshapes on the 2 parts with sliding octaves that would be swell.
you mean 9-7 and 4-6?
so it continuous here?
and the 9-11 octaves right after the 7-9 one as well
I showed it in my EOF screenshots but I know you have to translate to charter dont you
yeah, just making sure ill get to it soon
There we go. Lookin good
Can’t final check it til later but if everyone is feeling good about it I feel like publishing it is probably ok. I think since you’re taking over the abandoned chart you gotta get a mod to help anyway though
hmmm at start i think i talked about it with dell but dell is not red anymore?
I still am, but I would like pavs or someone else to give a final opinion before it’s uploaded
yeah, that's why ill rather wait for feedback before uploading, if its all good ill put it on my google drive, when its done ill let you know if its okay
Alright I’ll double check it all
@faint spear do you have some other tips for this one or can we upload it?
Shoot. Knew I was forgetting something. Will play test tonight or tomorrow at the latest
Lead and Alt lead are good to go IMO. there is something worth changing in the Rhythm though... the prechorus shouldn't have these palm mutes IMO
and while you're at it, chord unpitched slides like this would look better with about a 16th note size handshape, then extend the unpitched slide out past the handshape
first one is obviously more important
I think the chords for this part are more like this too, what's in the chart now is a little overcomplicated
not even sure this is there
idk. I'd have to look at live footage for that
Alt rhythm - not seeing the point of the tremolo picking on the last note of the piano part
nothing like that is in the song
don't remember that being in alt lead, lemme check
oh right it switches to the guitar on alt lead
hmmm, they dont really show that part in live i saw, but i think you can hear the change on the last 2 notes, maybe without the slide
maybe something like this?
or should i just make the second part all 1/8s with the 7-7-7 and no change on last 2 notes
i think i got all things you mentioned besides that part so far
I ended up keeping that transition but without slide. And I think included the stuff you mentioned. Sorry for late, was fighting with updating my old pc to windows 11.
@faint spear @rugged rune
I think it should be okay in current state. 
Hm whatever I just tried doesn't seem to have the changes you mentioned tbh, I'll restart the game but I'm fairly sure I have the right file and it's the same as the previous version
nvm I see them now Idk what the issue was, maybe multiple files in my DLCfolder
second time around you still have slide on this part, whatever you choose just make it consistent both times. My vote would be remove them entirely and keep on the 7-7-7 A5 chord like that tab screenshot I sent but at the end of the day I can't force a smaller detail like that
I'm like 98 percent sure it's just bass doing those C# to D notes and guitars do not do it
that would include these too
don't think the guitars change there until the next chord, the A5
little detail but there's some chords missing names, this should say D5
I think that's on Alt Rhythm but check the other paths too
This stuff would apply to the Lead path as well btw
here's the next line of this tab reference just in case you want it.
Thats weird
Im pretty sure i changed it but maybe wrong xml is loaded
Ill fix it sorry. Or maybe i missed one slide but im pretty sure i chcecked it. This is after change in new psarc. Ill see what i missed again
I changed 0-0-0-2 to 0-5-7-7 as in tab and those note switch as you mentioned i removed also in all parts. Added chord names too in some places where it was missing.
@faint spear
Tried all the guitar paths I'm happy with those. only thing I caught - and maybe it's not a big deal is - I think this slide doesnt happen on bass. seems like it should just continue the 7Es note until the change to the 5Es there after the slide
another small detail but I'd recommend accents on these last 3 notes
I think that's honestly it for me
Ill do them 
Thank u for checking on
@dense slate I absolutely LOVE this chart. One of the tone switches threw me off just a bit but im a noob but great job
Were you the one that made this one too?
Idk where i got this from
this is the old one i had
if you got it from customsforge a while ago then its most likely not mine
Oki while im at it. @faint spear
Here is one with bass changes
@faint spear
Can you take a peek if there is something else that needs changing when you have free moment

My bad, been busy with work and other projects. checking it now
Still not seeing this update otherwise bass is good
I know I have an updated version though because I see the accents at the end
Weird im pretty sure that slide is gone but ill check tomorrow when i wake up
Yeah double check, and maybe send me a new one, and I’ll fire it up again to make sure

that should get rid of slide, it wouldnt let me sleep
Its my bad that i missed it, i put wrong xml into dlc checked it before adding accent and then i took wrong file added accents and ended up with the slide not fixed 
I should tidy up my project folder
Thanks for making this, was really fun to play. Also one of my favorite songs. Looking forward to seeing this on customsforge.
If you didnt spot anything weird on it i think its finished. I can ask ctrl to help me with it on forge.
@faint spear is it ok for him to upload
Seems good yeah I checked the bass and that last thing I mentioned with the slide is fixed now, there's no slide like there should be
aight i will make the final file with correct metatags and let you know
i need to backtrack a bit cuz i forgot how it was supposed to be
how do you mean about metatags I'm not sure what that is in this context
the dlc id and stuff, cuz the testing versions had weird id and now when its file for upload im just checking if everything is set up in dlcb as it should be
this stuff mostly
does everyone use google drive for it?
yes, will do, thanks for reminding
google drive is fine. just make sure the link is public and everyone has access to it
sweet
am i safe with using my usual google for git/yt or its better to make new acc for sharing dlcs
I'm not sure, I don't see why it matters as long as you don't lose access to your account that you use and can continue to keep it consistent for uploads in the future so theyre all in the same place for you and everyone
just asking if anyone had issue with google locking their files cause of sharing dlcs, cuz you know its music and all
I use a mediafire account but that's for a different reason, I pay for a premium mediafire for extra storage and links that automatically download etc
I wouldn't think so 🤷♂️
aight
yup that's a mac though make sure you don't switch the 2 when uploading. the PC is the main one we want
ye ye, just wanted to confirm
it works and should directly download or did for me
do i make it as new upload or we tie it to the one from the ramen guy
yeah you need a mod to help you take over the abandoned one. that will be a better option and why we were so adamant and making sure the new version was much improved and won't need futher tweaks, because everyone will get notified who has downloaded it before
theyll make the swap and let you know and give you a link or whatever when it's ready to update then you can just make sure to update it to a new version number and make any other relevant changes to the record including authors notes, and a brief description of what's in the different paths etc
and usually something like this:
This chart has been taken over from the Abandoned User list and updated to follow the new charting standards.
do i send dm to someone or put links here?
@rugged rune should be able to help you
that's why they were asking and make sure I was good with it, because I think they played it too and were happy with it other than my last final notes
so we should be good now
Thank you a lot for help and guidance, and ctrl and emmy dell. You helped me learn a lot, its been a while for this one song here but in the meantime I started learning to make other charts I wanted to make for myself and it greatly improved the way I'm doing them now with all of your tips.
youre welcome sorry I wasn't always able to get to it fast enough, life gets in the way and it kind of slips out of my mind as well sometimes even when I'm free, I didn't mind the reminders at all
@rugged rune sorry to bother you but do i need to send something somewhere? Like an application on discord or on forge?
I haven't heard from him today either but he should be able to help once he's available, an application is kind of a cool idea though
Aight. Wanted to make sure im not missing something. For application, forge maintainer can probably introduce some ticket/mail system where you mark a specific song that you wish to take, then its sent to the ticketing system/mod mail for checking and if its valid could click somebutton to change owner. If its all on the forge part if you sent it as specific user it would also have reference to who made request.
Yeah I think that's a good idea. because otherwise, claiming an abandoned chart is kind of up in the air of how to contact the mods to make it happen. it's relying on people to do it on discord or something and even know how to contact mods
i dunno, some concept in my head, no idea if its possible tho
I like it
so clicking accept or reject as mod would lead to auth link that when verified changes owner of dlc to requester in message
#ignition4 message
maybe someday
You can upload the finished product straight to Ignition
so just as new item?

makes sense to do so since it's literally an updated version of that CDLC, and will give everyone a notification of update for the new version
do i change version to 1.0 then?
You'll want to remove (Ramen's Ver) from the records title as well obv
if you upload it as new. If updating the abandoned leave as 2
I'd like to see it as an update and claiming of the abandoned. that's why we need mod help. hold for that
well i dunno then
they have to transfer the record to you
this kind of thing is exactly why I like the idea of a formal request for claiming the abandoned records
less confusion
ill just wait for ctrl to tell me what to do then, because for me it doesnt make a big difference
in any case this is me https://ignition4.customsforge.com/profile/theMaelstro
ill just link that this is the version i used #1379433889373880382 message
which is ramen version djpavs mentions
A new better version will still be appreciated, but to me it makes more sense to claim the original record so an update will push to everyone who had the last version
they will get a little notification that says it was updated from V1.3 to V2
here are links
PC: https://drive.usercontent.google.com/download?id=1UKdiuCWM8i6u4NUzsFI3t9IB3NAAyhEu&export=download
MAC: https://drive.usercontent.google.com/download?id=18Ua7-nxddVEnPmlua56WCxJAvbBKfdMb&export=download
plus that way we have one less abandoned record and less duplicates of the same song
You’re right, I forgot
no worries 😆
make sure when the record is transferred over to remove the (Ramen's Ver) from the title and make any other relevant changes to the arrangement info, genre tags, and author's notes to give info on what your arrangements entail, like say what the differences between the alt arrangements are etc @dense slate
and then obv change version number to 2
and update links
GENERAL
Matched the whole beatmap to be on time with a song.
Split song into correct phrases and section for riff repeater, with verses and choruses set.
Changed some notes in verse sections for both lead and rhythm to match official tabs and recording more.
Corrected all FHPs in all paths.
Changed slides to end on notes closer to what is being played.
Updated all tones.
LEAD
Adjusted intro melody section handshapes to better represent how its played (From 3,4 finger to 1,2)
Removed piano section from lead before outro (kept it in alternative path), added the arpeggio on first 3 strings instead as you can hear it in song.
RHYTHM
Cleaned all handshapes so notes show up correctly.
Removed arpeggio from rhythm section before outro. (Added overlaid piano melody in alternative path instead).
BASS
Made bass more accurate and consistent across the song.
Adjusted FHPs to feel more comfortable on bass.
LYRICS
Adjusted lyrics line breaking in some cases for better screen presentation.
Fixed some syllable breaks.
Cleared some spelling issues and punctuaction.
Overall chart has been brought to 2025 standard with exemplary help of Djpavs, Emmy Dell and ctrl.
these are my rough notes
ill look at couple of dlcs to see how they write it
and ill try to make it written better, im just not too great with write ups
it's not bad at all just giving my 2 cents
syllabe should be syllable btw little misspell there
right
here's one of mine
just an example, I think what you've got is pretty good too, you don't have to do exactly like this
yeah i took a moment to look on one of yours and dell

just keep it succinct as possible but with all relevant info, since most people either will ignore the author's notes or try to look at it quickly to see what's what
ill slim down what ive had
UPDATE: 05/12/25 - V2
This chart has been taken over from the abandoned list and updated to follow the new charting standards.
Cleaned paths, various visual improvements, tone tweaks.
Thanks to Djpavs, Emmy-Dell and ctrl for play testing and feedback.
- Lead is clean / distortion lead electric guitar.
- Alternate Lead is clean / distortion lead electric guitar including piano arrangement before Outro.
- Rhythm is distortion rhythm electric guitar.
- Alternate Rhythm is clean / distortion rhythm electric guitar including piano arrangement before Outro.
- Bass is played with a pick.
Changes:
- Added Alternative Lead and Rhythm with fill in piano arrangements.
- Added a little leading silence.
- Fixed beat map sync with a song.
- Added phrases and sections for riff repeater.
- Re-balanced audio levels and updated all tones.
- Changed some notes to match official tabs and recording.
- Corrected all FHPs in all paths.
- Changed slides to end on notes closer to what is being played.
- Adjusted Lead intro melody hand shapes for easier playing.
- Cleaned all hand shapes so notes show up correctly.
- Made bass more accurate and consistent across the song.
- Adjusted FHPs to feel more comfortable on bass.
- Adjusted lyrics line breaking in some cases for better screen presentation.
- Fixed some syllable breaks.
- Cleared some spelling issues and punctuation.
when people use the auto-download version for their links
i learned from you because i liked that they instantly downloaded, so i gone to couple of your dlcs to see how link is done and i did it the same way

Two bits you have to change from the normal ''copy link'' option you get from gdrive:
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the start of it changes from
https://drive.google.com/file/d/tohttps://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id= -
you then just have to remove the
/view?usp=drive_linkpart completly from the end of it.
(if you wanted to save that anywhere if you ever forget
)
or I guess since you've done it once now, you can always open up that record page and look there 
yup
and if i ever forget, ill just open one of songs i like made by you
and ill see how its done
auto-download is becoming a little more common these days, just be wary of some rogue reports you may get from people whose adblocks cause issues and doesn't download the file - I've dealt with a few of those in the past.
i had my friend test it for me and djpavs tested here too earlier so i can stay sure it works
I’ll reassign ownership when I get home
whats your CF username?
@alpine pebble same as on dc
https://ignition4.customsforge.com/cdlc/77617 you should be able to edit it now 
sure
I'm around
Its my first time
oh bot ate my message again
no bot in my dms 
does this stay?
nah, I'll remove that in a sec for ya 
also i just wanted to say i added spotify link, and used genre you used for bfs - 1985
checked both links just in case, they work
also changed length to match the dlc length i checked in game
and i wasnt sure if i need to add intrument requirements / tags because i feel nothing is needed, i just added picked bass because its picked
the abandoned text is gone, yay

thank you
no problemo, all the necessary stuff was filled out appropriately
glad to hear
all that's left now is to just update the name of this post to include [FINISHED] at the start 🙂
[FINISHED] Bowling For Soup - Girl All The Bad Guys Want
there
it sure was fun, thank you everyone for help
oh, you're also completely fine with maintaining said file and updating it in the future if it ever gets reported? (it shouldn't)
yeah

i plan to make more songs too but im figuring out gp8
good luck, god speed
