#Slavery needs to be removed

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graceful beacon
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Ah slavery, the stupid rule that allows another play to board your ship without declaring piracy untill their standing in your ship with a gun to your head, kidnap you, strip you of all your belongings, remove your autonomy, and force you to listen to them regardless of scenario because you physical cannot escape... yeah something needs to change.

Slavery in my opinion is just stupid as it effectively round removes people at no cost to the actual slaver. Like if you get captured and then kill yourself, they just get to harvest your organs and still make profit. If you dont kill yourself, you litterally cant play the game. And the worst part is that all of them have medical comms so that the second your med tracker alerts medical, they can just go "Oh I got it. Dont worry," and prevent you from EVER getting rescued. And they dont even target the big ships who can actually defend themselves, no they target the little vaquitas and durans who for most certain only have a single person on them because they cant risk getting killed and not being able to remove someone else's autonomy for their bullshit power fantasy.

In general the piracy system is kinda poor due to lack of admin moderation and lack of clear guidelines of piracy vs griefing, but slavery is one of the things that is just pure griefing because the slaver can only profit while the victim can only lose.

hollow pier
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have you trried argenti

vast root
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slavery's only benefit is larp

graceful beacon
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Oh the argent.

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Yeah same issue still applies generally.

hollow pier
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argenti instakill

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lol

graceful beacon
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Ok wait, are you talking about the Argent, aka a ship, or the revolver from less-lethal vendors? Im kinda confused. (And also a bit tired.)

granite crane
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full gameloop deleting levels of piracy are in general just lineskirting griefing behavior

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literally just doing the maximum possible amount of time damage to another player within the rules

fallen mesa
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It should be a rule that pirates cannot prevent a victim from returning to their original gameplay loop in a reasonable amount of time if the victim is compliant. This means no kidnapping, maiming, or killing compliant victims.

narrow wedge
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Idk that kinda leans towards frontierification

rich jasper
hollow pier
rich jasper
narrow wedge
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Just kidnap them and enslave them for shits and giggles

hollow pier
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you literally just said slavery

rich jasper
hollow pier
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so once again it is an issue with mono’s rp standards and server culture

rich jasper
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Oh woopise you are a slave now
Proceeds to never set up an interesting dynamic between you and your oppressor

granite crane
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choosing the 10 minute option if the dialogue is diarrhea / it's literally just a contrived salv/mining/afk loop

narrow wedge
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You can set up a dynamic too...

granite crane
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"no"

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"obey or die"

hollow pier
rich jasper
granite crane
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there is no impetus for the captor to be cool

dense talon
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standing by my idea that a mix of lore and admin intervention is required for any modicum of larp to exist

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lore to base a backstory off and admin intervention to filter LRP players and issues

hollow pier
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high rp is from server culture not admin intervention btw

rich jasper
hollow pier
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@abstract frost you lowkey owe me one wechat_blush

pastel ether
vocal sierra
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Server culture is ass mainly cause the overall ss14 culture is ass

granite crane
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i'm pretty sure the factions put in more legwork to engage in a setting

pastel ether
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this is why we should force everyone to play factions

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there will be no independance

hollow pier
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everyone should be affiliated at the bare minimum

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hullrot 2 argument inbound btw

vocal sierra
rich jasper
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I'm just saying factions having literally no self control leaks into normal monolith play

vocal sierra
hollow pier
rich jasper
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And besides my points probably already been covered by others

dense talon
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lowk I see even PDV players larp better than a civ does

hollow pier
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id say its relevant

dense talon
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factions do not ruin the larp, but it is again, a player quality and culture issue

hollow pier
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because it’s about the cause of it

rich jasper
vocal sierra
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Overall, i find slavery fine, the game isnt likely to go your way all the time

hollow pier
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conflict is what creates stories btw

pastel ether
rich jasper
hollow pier
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except…

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drumroll please

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borgs aren’t an interesting role to play

pastel ether
hollow pier
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🎉

vocal sierra
hollow pier
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you get like 1/4 of the abilities as in ss13

rich jasper
hollow pier
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more limited rp

vocal sierra
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So then what is the issue?

hollow pier
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less mechanics etc

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my cats disappointed in you btw

rich jasper
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But also borgs are people who are actually okay with being put into a role slavery adjacency

hollow pier
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he saw this and started meowing at you

vocal sierra
rich jasper
vocal sierra
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Mmm forcefully gibbed, yes this is what i wanted

hollow pier
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if you find slavery uncomfortable this is generally the wrong setting as mono is aiming towards a darker one

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is it doing it well? not at all lmao

rich jasper
hollow pier
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seee

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youre implying slavery can be tasteful

rich jasper
hollow pier
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i’d argue slavery is always going to be distasteful because you know

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its slavery

rich jasper
rich jasper
abstract frost
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you reek of fermented greenland shark

hollow pier
abstract frost
hollow pier
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whaaaat the fuck

rich jasper
rich jasper
dense talon
vocal sierra
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You want slavery to not be a cycle of abuse…?

abstract frost
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i did that subconsciously

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i think slavery/forced borging is just sloppa that is mostly used by the Friend Buddy Pirates

granite crane
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yeah once again it's functionally just maximum playerkill

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it's waltzing up to a player and declaring

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"stop your gameloop indefinitely or stop your gameloop and wait 10 minutes"

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oh i should declare this now for accelerationism purposes

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did you know?

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you can totally brick someone from being able to respawn by repeatedly popping their brain in and out of an MMI?

dense python
granite crane
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it sure is

lone snow
# hollow pier hullrot 2 argument inbound btw

this is a true
when gliess was first added, it leeched players off of factions and into being goy drones doing fuck all the entire round, the slots got reduced up until there is only vagrants today.
vagrants can be killed at any moment in the same way they can kill whoever they want

stable sleet
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#1507159146649092277 message hell, plex is even trying to skirt the like on the "no force borging" rule (big shocker there 🙄 ), overall i say no to the borderline rule bending round removal strat, to be as generous as possible i'd say if we must have slave rp keep it faction only (as in from and to)

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(hell, "we demand your body" even sounds like a "kill yourself or die" demand)

vast root
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Ok so

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Things that stop you from returning to the same gameplay loop

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Is removing you from your part of the round

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Slavery is like

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It’s fine if it’s a substitute for death

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But people losing a round or having to commit suicide to get out because someone wants to what

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Act out a power fantasy?

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It’s a punishment worse than death In some peoples opinions

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Should be treated like that rule wise

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It shouldn’t be removed from the game

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But it shouldn’t be allowed on anyone

stable sleet
# vast root It shouldn’t be removed from the game

ya, thats why i gave a possible exception to factions, for them it'd be more of an extension of capturing enemy faction members which they already do, but civs against civs should basically be treated as round removal (technically factions capturing enemy faction members is already rr but y'know, faction escall rules and all that)

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Like i said i would be surprised if slavery is just some punishment from pirate players for people not fighting back

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Pirates realized piracy is just slightly less boring salv (or considering that salv actually involves fighting things maybe just as boring) and are now trying to force people (who are still out gunned, cant risk fighting someone actually prepared for pvp after all clueless ) to combatslop

wheat bison
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It’s bullshit, I agree, but it should be REWORKED, not removed
I’d kidnap a dude and turn him into my chemist, botanist, etc for 10 minutes and release him after rather than kill him

Cons:
can get abused to quite literally ruin the game completely for you

Pros:
if you can’t pay your medical bill, MD could force you to do some work for them instead

granite crane
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we have emprical evidence that allowing stanford prison experiment situations just leads to things being overall shit source: literally the stanford prison experiment

granite crane
stable sleet
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Ya, if its "continue your gameplay but temporarily for someone else's benefit" it'd be leagues better than rn

dense talon
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add a clause to slavery rulings where you can only enslave someone for a reasonable amount of time

granite crane
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20 minutes would be fair, even

wheat bison
granite crane
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since it's 10 minutes of respawn AND whatever time it takes for re-preperation

wheat bison
stable sleet
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And (assuming the slaver cant take all of your things) it would still be better to surrender instead of "lose everything" or "lose everything and be forced to mine for the rest of the round" that slavery is now

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Though there would probably need to be limits to this too, i can see someone slaving someone, letting them go and slaving them again a few minutes later

wheat bison
wheat bison
narrow wedge
lament wind
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can't even clarify a rule in the big '26.

lament wind
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no reason to keep someone for a whole shift.

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thats excessive.

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but outright removing it too much. we getting a lil hugboxy.

finite anvil
# wheat bison It’s bullshit, I agree, but it should be REWORKED, not removed I’d kidnap a dude...

"Stitches do dishes"

Instead of slavery, its a forced side quest with their PDA and ID as collateral.

Examples: Can't pay MD? They hold your PDA until you bring back 2-3 medpods. War Prisoner? 50k ransom from the faction. Spacer or Merc? Bring all the mats from 2 salv platforms. Pilot? (Who the fuck plays pilot) Arena fight a monkey using a broken bottle.

Then give em their PDA back and be on their way.

wheat bison
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Or is that just something I’m remembering from frontier

finite anvil
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Yeah. You SSD? I selling your ship, your body, and raiding your ATM(100k max or whatever)

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Makes the task more compelling

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Or walk em to the atm and make em pay for freedom (stripper rules) Until end of round capture isn't fun, forced tasking against total asset forfeiture to the IRS(me)? Very fun, very flavorful, HRP, Patrician Taste.

graceful beacon
finite anvil
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THIS SERVER IS A PRISON

graceful beacon
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Also you can already sell someone's ship in the game, the money just goes to their account directly and not yours. ATMs on the other hand would be quite iffy, because stealing 100k max could still leave someone new to server entirely knee capped in terms of being able to play.

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Like i dont wanna be that guy who steals an ID from a new person just to realize they only got the starting 75k in thr bank because thats just a dick move.

lament wind
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thats just how the cookie crumbles. some way, some how.

graceful beacon
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Yes, and thats normal. But what I dont want is a barely within the rules system that forces victims into a corner as they have no way to win under most circumstances, hence the reason for even making this post. If it was a gun fight, robbery, or anything else then that leaves room for actual conflict be it weapons or words. With salvery theres just no way for someone on the receiving end to actual benefit at all because the consequences in either directly are both devastating.

lament wind
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theres the entire interaction prior to slavery. Every time I go to catch someone they could easily make a move to escape, open fire on me, etc. and there have been a shitload of instances where people get away or win the confrontation, and you're right there isn't any benefit for someone on the recieving end of it. The same goes for robbery, assassinations, sabotage, etc.

graceful beacon
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Ah yes, make a move to fight you when youre heavily armed, appear without any notice, and always have your weapon drawn. Sure seems fightable.

lament wind
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I agree w/ things like limiting the amount of time allowed, because after a certain point you're being a lardass if you still have someone captive.

lament wind
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escpecially since civilians have access to the exact same gear.

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keep a gygax for self defense.

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or a big leady in the back pocket.

graceful beacon
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No they dont. Mercs can spawn with long arms, gygax requires a ton for research, and you can't buy lethals as a civilian beacause the weapons vendor is locked behind a merc only access door.

lament wind
graceful beacon
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Plus gygax requires you to preemptively enter it meaning youd be forced to be constantly watching your ship.

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Again, still requires research. Anything that requires someone to put in a chunk of effort like artifacts, anoms, or salvaging for discs should be considered as they are all lick based.

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Luck*

vocal sierra
lament wind
graceful beacon
lament wind
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and anom research can get you that gun in 5 minutes

lament wind
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you don't walk through a dangerous part of town without looking over your shoulder once or twice

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you're begging to get robbed.

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you can also do things like hiring mercenaries for security on your ship.

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and then their JOB is to watch your ass for you.

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or you could fabricate a borg to act as a securitron, give 'em a gygax and mercenary module.

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these measures will allow you to overcome 90% of pirates.

graceful beacon
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So hire an actual player to sit on their ass? Sure seems fun for both me and the other player.

lament wind
vast root
lament wind
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do small talk, play a card game or two at the table.

vast root
lament wind
vast root
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If I wanted that I wouldn’t play Mono

graceful beacon
lament wind
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the missing piece.

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we got a bunch o' sissies who don't know how to larp like a real sigma.

graceful beacon
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You act like larping is 100% required for an MRP server. Its not. Especially when the level of larping you do can be actively harmful and prevent a greater chunk of the player base from actually playing

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Fuck my autocorrect dude.

pastel ether
lament wind
# graceful beacon You act like larping is 100% required for an MRP server. Its not. Especially whe...

never said it was 100% required, I said life would be a lot better if people put some effort in. And any amount of conflict can be actively harmful and prevent a greater chunk of the player base from playing, if someone gets shot up in a back corner of sevastapol, they have to wait and see if someone will revive them, then when they find out nobody will, they have to wait 10 minutes to respawn. Killing people removes their ability to play for 10 minutes. What about stealing someone's resources they spent the entire shift gathering? That harms them greatly since the resources they spent god knows how long amassing have just been ripped from them, leaving them with nothing to show for their efforts.

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just cuz larping isn't 100% required to enjoy an MRP server doesn't mean people should just completely sidestep putting effort into the situations they end up in. Go with the flow and play off the situations and encounters you end up in.

graceful beacon
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Im not saying dont pur effort into it, im just saying dont cause unavoidable struggle with it. Be whatever so long as there isnt any form of actual game defining stress that cant be remade within time. Plus someone just getting shot in the corner of Sevestapool would still require some level of RP and actual interaction, plus rules of escalation.

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Slavery is just "Haha, I got a gun. Give me your game loop for generally nothing at all."

vast root
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Slavery on random people 60% of the time will make the game less fun

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Or like

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Some made up number

dense talon
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65% less fun with slavery

graceful beacon
lament wind
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I've seen plenty of people set up effective countermeasures.

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hell, I saw a MF set up detonator activated SMOKE BOMBS to block pirate's vision when they entered his ship, and it allowed him to completely decimate the boarders.

graceful beacon
lament wind
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I've seen dudes set up 20mm cannons that are triggered by his airlock doors opening, shredding boarders.

lament wind
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it is NOT hard to source a gun.

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nor is it hard to hire a group like the Vipers to provide security services.

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thats kinda what they do.

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and even if I WIN the shootout, oh well you died, respawn like you would if you fought back against robbers.

dense talon
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Can't respawn when you can get easily revived to be forced into the slavery loop again.

graceful beacon
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YUP

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AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENED TO ME TO MAKE THIS POST!

lament wind
graceful beacon
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And then they still get organs and can entirely profit from the exchange while you lose everything, which also happened to me in the same event.

lament wind
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if I robbed you for everything you mined

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what do you gain?

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if I hold you for ransom and threaten to blow your head off if my demands aren't met

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what do you gain?

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if chimera hits your ship

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what do you gain?

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if ADS is holding you at shipgun point to disarm your vessel

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what do you gain?

dense talon
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You lose everything, but at least you still have opportunity to bounce back from these situations. Excluding chimera.

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ADS glasses your ship? You can team with your buddies to kill it.

graceful beacon
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Chimeras and ADS are expected because theyre effectively antags in terms of monolith gameplay.

dense talon
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Robbers show up? Prepare your ship for the next encounter this time.

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Slave traders show up however, and its a losing game no matter what. You die, they own you. They die, they'll probably come back to murk you.

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Until you're able to be abused like they wanted to do the first time.

lament wind
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ahelp that.

dense talon
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Metagrudge yes

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but player quality is abhorrent already as is.

graceful beacon
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Indeed

lament wind
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thats a monolith issue. we looking at a symptom and not the source.

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could easily say the same thing about robbers.

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or hell, anyone involved in conflict.

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they die and come back to merc you off metagrudge.

graceful beacon
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The source is a bad rule base and the availability of bluntly overpowered abilites for utilize against players who dont because the other players want a functional game.

lament wind
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this is an even playing field

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you could just as easily research those weapons and get the resources to make them.

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R&D server + console are available in every commercial flatpack vender, and the mercenary techfab is available in the flatpacker in colossus's bar.

graceful beacon
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People who play this game naturally understand that a balance between RP and gameplay is essentially however, and therefore wont utilize the overpowered mechanics in order to better the experience for themselves and others.

lament wind
# graceful beacon People who play this game naturally understand that a balance between RP and gam...

if you want to go that route, say you're a commercial miner. You mine resources for a living, but understand this is a wartorn sector with a lot of criminals, terrorists, and corrupt factions who all wouldn't mind a piece of your wares. To solve this problem, you hire an group of career killers (like the viper group for example, its literally what they DO.) to escort you while you mine, and it's their job to wave big guns and ensure your product is protected.

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the colossus sector isn't sunshine and rainbows. if you, a civilian walk into a crime infested war torn sector, you're gonna get chewed up.

graceful beacon
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So again... hire another actual player to sit on their asses just because something COULD happen?

lament wind
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I have been pointing a GIANT ARROW at one of them, the VIPER GROUP.

graceful beacon
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Key word being "some."

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Just like how theres "some" people who want to play overseer.

lament wind
lament wind
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for people who WANT to do it.

dense talon
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VG isnt available all the time as well.

lament wind
graceful beacon
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And who else would do it?

lament wind
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hell I WOULD DO IT.

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there are TONS of mercs out there.

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hell I've seen them walking around colossus and camelot.

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people who ADVERTISE themselves over shortband.

graceful beacon
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Ahh yes, iver short band when im 13 kilometers out. Advertising over shortband is useless.

lament wind
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😭

graceful beacon
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Theres an active contract placing system that works at an infinate range is like, 99% more effectively than shortband.

lament wind
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why are you putting a job advertisement up in the middle of the countryside

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obviously no one is seeing it.

dense talon
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Nobody looks at their PDA.

graceful beacon
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True

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But it still atleast gets it to more people and those who do actually check would be able.

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Anyways I got exams starting soon. Ill be back in a few hours.

lament wind
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just go to camelot and ask for a big hulking merc on shortband. Offer up some money.

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Its actually that easy.

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If camelot fails, go to colossus and do the same thing.

stable sleet
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Ah yes, the tired and true "colossus is a dangerous sector" argument.

"For you see, the pirates, murderers and slavers aren't doing anything wrong because as we all know monolith is actually space DayZ and it's your fault for not paranoiamaxing enough."

lament wind
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Would you like a giftwrapped box of chocolates on my way out?

stable sleet
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Hey man i already paranoiamax, I've played dayz before and know what to expect

lament wind
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then a stashed big leady and smoke bombs lining your airlock should already be on the menu.

stable sleet
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But then again i rarely play nowadays, and when i do its either factions, judge, or ussp larping

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I gave up on civ activities long ago, didn't make sense in a dangerous sector like this

lament wind
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aye, to each their own.

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if you ain't built for it, you ain't gotta do it 🙌

graceful beacon
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Ight, back from exams, and ive had time to think.

For things like hardcore larping, such as slavery and whatnot, it should be restricted to factions primarily. Those are the actual RP focus lens of the game and should therefore be allowed more extreme options.

Meanwhile civilians such as spacers and pilots should be more gameplay oriented for the more casual player.

Mercs can remain in a middle ground where theyre allowed to do more things than civilians, but less than proper factions.

This gives 3 options available for players. Pick a civilian to have a less RP oriented/gameplay focused standard and not worry about things like sudden slavery. Pick a faction for the hardcore RP and even gameplay due to your vast amount of tech. And then you can pick merc for an in-between. Does that settle disputes?

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While yes Colasus sector is war torn, its not too far fetched to say that the criminal underealms within dont have some standard of opperations.

lament wind
graceful beacon
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Well practice will always remain different from ideals, im just saying that this is what it SHOULD be, not what it currently is.

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Am I wrong?

lament wind
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I could see that working out, yeah. I just don't like the idea of restricting what people can and can't do.

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leaves a lot less freedom to operate how YOU want to operate.

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atleast with rules.

graceful beacon
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Thats why theres tiers, and theres never going to be one strict interpretation of them

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You can exist inbetween, but ideally the more civilian you are, the less you just get mugged.

mighty lichen
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thats stupid

narrow wedge
lament wind
mighty lichen
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thank fuck

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i thought iw as wasting cash

lament wind
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I've done it before, it went to my account.

mighty lichen
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this entire time

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for a second

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🥹

graceful beacon
lament wind
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I blame the maints.

graceful beacon
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Or im a dumbass who never noticed

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Probably the second one

lament wind
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nah, could easily be the maints.

graceful beacon
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Anyways thats irrelevant right now!

lament wind
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I SUPPORT MAINT HATE!!!

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but yeah, I think there should be rule restrictions on how long you can hold someone in slavery.

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20 minutes seems fair.

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After that, decide on what to do with them.

graceful beacon
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Anyways, im not saying to gatekeep anything. Anyone can do anything, but standards should exist.

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Honestly I think 15 minutes is a better, but 20 is acceptable.

lament wind
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Whenever I kidnap people, I'll put them to work for a bit, then decide on what to do with them after a bit of work. They perform good? Nice! They earned their freedom!

narrow wedge
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My body is a machine that turns bugs into maint hate

lament wind
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If they uh.... if they don't do so good or give me backtalk...

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hell I even drop them back off at their ship w/ their ID.

graceful beacon
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Dont RR people just for being stubborn. Atleast leave them revivable without needed organ transplants.

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Ok

mighty lichen
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there is no round removal when respawns are free and unlimited

lament wind
mighty lichen
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i think monolith could use something like funky's content warning where it straight up tells you not to play if you feel uncomfortable with your character being forced to do things

lament wind
graceful beacon
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That would be good, but ehh.

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It wouldnt work too well in all honestly

finite anvil
lament wind
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Also for entertainment, since, you know, super evil robo terrorist borgs.

narrow wedge
lament wind
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Maybe put 'em in a jigsaw game or two. 😊

finite anvil
lament wind
graceful beacon
mighty lichen
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mostly i just kill captives because i know nobody enjoys prisoner rp

finite anvil
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Don't dox yourself.

On topic: pain is a great motivator. Forced free labor teaches people to keep that mass scanner on the belt and check it regularly

graceful beacon
lament wind
mighty lichen
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thats what i said

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i just kill them

lament wind
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😭

graceful beacon
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Oh

mighty lichen
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i get loot and they get to respawn

graceful beacon
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The way you worded it made it seem like you just captured them and then killed them.

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Plus why dont you just rob them normally then?

lament wind
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I'm gonna round up as many atmos and exped sloppers as I can, line them up at camelot, and shoot them.

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Its gonna be a great time!

graceful beacon
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Ok that just sounds entirely fucked up dude. I understand the larp, but if you aint gonna do something productive for either party then why?

mighty lichen
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..?

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when im robbing somebody i tell them to give me their shit or i kill them

finite anvil
mighty lichen
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and if they give me their shit i take it and leave

lament wind
mighty lichen
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otherwise i kill them

mighty lichen
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they caused the inflation

graceful beacon
lament wind
mighty lichen
graceful beacon
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Good news, taxes are getting removed/reworked to be a lot better.

mighty lichen
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in which case i have no incentive to keep them alive or let them go, and they're just additional loot

finite anvil
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If you kill enough atmos the IRS agent boss spawns

lament wind
graceful beacon
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No like thats legit in the roadmap

mighty lichen
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at least on hullrot you could ransom people back to their own faction but here nobody cares enough about their teammates

lament wind
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Hard running a robot terrorist group that doesn't have any backing from any station in this economy.

lament wind
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I literally held a whole group of civilians hostage on trademall while like 7 PDV ships surrounded it

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and that was GENUINELY what they said.

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they then glassed

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the ENTIRE station.

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To the ground.

mighty lichen
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when i play tsf captain i don't go out of my way to rescue people either

graceful beacon
mighty lichen
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recovering bodies is just a great way to lose more people to an ambush

lament wind
mighty lichen
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they're getting recloned

lament wind
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crossing that threshold would be scary

mighty lichen
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plus they're soldiers

graceful beacon
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They still wake up with the unease of something going very wrong.

mighty lichen
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they should be prepared to die at any moment

lament wind
graceful beacon
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Or that would atleast be neat for RP

lament wind
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also, how do they know thats THEIR conciousness?

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as far as their aware, they could stop existing as them when they die, and a perfect replica of themselves is what takes their place.

mighty lichen
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thats all the proof you need IC to say that it is, in fact, still you

lament wind
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honestly an anti-cloning company based in those fears would be dope.

mighty lichen
lament wind
mighty lichen
graceful beacon
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I mean I litterally had one RP senario where my character legit found her own corpse. Plus waking up in the middle of the shift when you know damn well you woke up eariler is quite the shocker.

mighty lichen
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outputs a soulless body

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with no consciousness

graceful beacon
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You only forget the most recent 30 minutes of your life via Monolith's rules.

stable sleet
lament wind
# mighty lichen outputs a soulless body

but how do they know they aren't just printing a copy of their memories into the person? That explains why they wouldn't remember 30 minutes before their death.

mighty lichen
lament wind
graceful beacon
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Plus cloning in game requires that the body youre cloning has a soul

mighty lichen
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everyone here would need to be mentally prepared for the fact that danger could be literally anywhere

graceful beacon
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You cant just clone soulless bodies

lament wind
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PDV I understand, it just doesn't seem like the TSF's way to ignore hostages.

mighty lichen
graceful beacon
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That implies that people would have the same consciousness, just in a different body

mighty lichen
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but it's not

stable sleet
mighty lichen
lament wind
mighty lichen
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they would most likely be well accustomed to death

lament wind
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if the TSF wins, then yeah, those ARE their citizens. if the PDV wins, then yeah, those ARE their citizens.

mighty lichen
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the entire colossus sector is basically The Zone from stalker

stable sleet
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Pretty sure tsf only cares about the monolith

mighty lichen
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but in space

graceful beacon
mighty lichen
lament wind
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the PDV are lowkey just a local terrorist group w/ enough technology and infrastructure to function like a government.

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I'd fully expect them to blow up civilians.

graceful beacon
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Yeah

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Basically

stable sleet
mighty lichen
mighty lichen
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tsf are the good guys

lament wind
mighty lichen
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morally speaking TSF are right

dense talon
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me when I have to explain to clueless civilians that I am a heartless, organically racist and violent robotics group and that im literally going to kill them if they dont submit to my demands

lament wind
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there is a difference between a corrupt and shady government and a pure evil one.

graceful beacon
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Honestly I dont really care much about the lore so I dont know much about the morals of the TSF or PDV

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Well not true, in monolith lore youre a contractor bound by a contract

lament wind
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this is facts, but there are civilians in the colossus sector.

graceful beacon
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As far as we're all aware, some of us could genuinely be civilians sent into a war zone or even slaves to an outsider force.

stable sleet
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Pretty much how i play tsf, yall are just vagrants and criminals to me

lament wind
narrow wedge
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No they're not

lament wind
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W liar.

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never trust a 3 letter faction...

narrow wedge
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So every military grunt is innocent to the bone?

mighty lichen
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if anybody here was a civilian sent into the colossus by an outside power, they'd have supplies of their own and wouldnt need to procure a vessel by themselves, same with slaves, they'd be sent with the bare minimum equipment to carry out the job

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this implies that everyone apart from factions came here independently of their own accord

narrow wedge
graceful beacon
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The grunts still had to sign up to TSF and PDV. Even if they didn't know they'd be sent to Collusus sector, they still knew they'd be sent to a warzone.

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Theyre not fully innocent.

narrow wedge
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This gotta be ragebait bro

graceful beacon
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And why do you think they signed up for the military? You think they did it for the good of their hearts?

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Maybe they did, maybe they didnt.

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Saying all grunts are innocent is a blatant lie

narrow wedge
graceful beacon
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Damn

lament wind
stable sleet
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"Oh no, that unaffiliated dumbass willingly waltzed into a warzone and got kidnapped by an enemy terrorist group, anyways i started blasting"

narrow wedge
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You cannot be conscripted into the Turkish military if you're gay

lament wind
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there are more than mercs in the colossus sector. Its not like it was uninhabbited before the war, and because of the Monolith, nobody can leave.

graceful beacon
narrow wedge
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And you have to prove you're gay

lament wind
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The entire civilian population is stuck here in the warzone.

narrow wedge
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A lot of people try and prove they're gay to get out of military service

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So I need to show the recruiter a video of me passionately making out with Nigel and I get out of service?

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Not too difficult then

stable sleet
graceful beacon
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Oh damn. I misunderstood

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Sorry

stable sleet
graceful beacon
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Anyways, back to main topic, I still think slavery needs to be placed into storage for a while so the moderators can properly rule it so that way it isnt just sadist larping thats only fun for one party.

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Can we agree on that atleast?

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Thank you TallMan.

rich jasper
finite anvil
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Read the bio

rich jasper
graceful beacon
rich jasper