#New TSF Replacement/Reflavor

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ancient cedar
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Was thinking of sunsetting TSF & replacing it with something that doesn't scream "space cops! Good guys!!!" so what do y'all think could reasonably be a better alternative

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Thinking strictly flavor-wise, aka aesthetics, name, etc

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Will functional similarly

vague fiber
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keep in mind I dont know monolith lore but

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TUAF: Trade unions Armed forces
Armed forces of oppresive trade unions, IN THEORY they perform anti piracy and protection of union assets. In practice they enforce oppressive monopolys by brandishing any non unionized traders who dont pay "passage fees" as "potential pirates"

ancient cedar
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The CIS from Star Wars 🥹

grand jasper
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People look at the TSF and think good guys???
That's been the polar opposite of everyone around me I've seen so far lmfao.

ancient cedar
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Generally yeah & TSF players like to larp as space cops because TSF used to be the space police before judges took that role

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The anti-smuggling doesn't help either

grand jasper
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They're invading space feds who wanna take your contraband how do you see them as anything other than a pipebomb target

ancient cedar
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Criminal records and ER death rattles also go straight to TSF comms

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DoC & overseer still have TSF comms access

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It's basically easier to sunset them entirely than to untangle all the holdovers from NFSD, when they were space cops, etc

regal swift
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there is still NFSD room at trade mall btw

ancient cedar
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🥹

grand jasper
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I don't know if that's entirely true considering you'd need remaps resprites and redesigns at that point. I don't think I've heard civ death rattles on TSF comms? I play with the medical encryption key on anyways but doc and overseer don't have access to tsf direct comss I'm pretty sure, only the command channel.

untold sleet
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lowkey TSF lore works but alsooo

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no one actually

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RPs like TSF

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they just RP like generic marines or not at all

ancient cedar
untold sleet
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do not let soba map

ancient cedar
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Also their PTechs have TSF direct comms & command chanel

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All Emergency Responders have a TSF death rattle

untold sleet
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what

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thats

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so stupid

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not to derail it but like, why?

ancient cedar
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Holdover when they were still space cops

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Lmao

untold sleet
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i dont even remember them having that

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when they were space cops

regal swift
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sure it is

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untold sleet
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NCMC steamhappydance

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thats not even a frontier holdover

regal swift
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not even the right banner

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ancient cedar
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TRANS?

ocean sentinel
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Evil dystopian corporation

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TSF becomes a private military company with cutting edge tech supplied by evil dystopian corporation

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Same idea as arasaka/miltech from cyberpunk

limber harness
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ancient cedar
limber harness
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🐝

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# ancient cedar Bumblebees 🥀

I think making them similar to the PDV In color scheme could do varying things

It shows that they aren't much different to them in cruelty but rather how they go about it

gloomy coral
ancient cedar
full grove
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Lol no. They aren't space cops, they're marines of an invading government. They don't need a rename. And their blue and black color scheme is fine.

median hare
ancient cedar
full grove
ancient cedar
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Absolutely nobody who plays TSF actually plays like they're the marines of an invading government

full grove
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#1483591388640579675 message

ancient cedar
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They play like they're white knights here to save the day

full grove
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just like nobody plays PDV like a feudal evil government but like terrorist rogues

median hare
ancient cedar
full grove
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and renaming it/changing lore/theme will do NOTHING to fix this as we saw with the PDV

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it's just going to upset the lore and RP some of us worked hard to establish

median hare
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Quite so. PDV still play and act like ASR. A TSF rebranding will just be the same.

ancient cedar
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It'd be like saying Frontier's NFSD is no longer space cops but now the invading force of an oppressive regime

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Wow, people aren't gonna get the fucking message because the branding is still identical

full grove
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If it didn't fix the PDV, it won't fix the TSF, and TSF has more of an RP culture than PDV does at this point.

ancient cedar
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TSF is literally a decrepit derelict remnant of old times that's still clinging on for dear life, undergoing a multitude of changes to include its "purpose" and role in the game, it's going to have holdovers and that's a problem if it ever wants to move on from "space cops"

full grove
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Sorry but I see the TSF as more relevant to the sector and more in character when people care, than the PDV does.

ancient cedar
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I cannot count the amount of times that TSF has white knighted every situation, acting like the space police, trying to fight for what's right, while PDV actually doesn't give a shit about anyone other than fighting and killing TSF

full grove
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And I find CC completely irrelevant.

ancient cedar
median hare
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There are no good factions, only good People.

ancient cedar
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But there is quite literally no way to fix TSF without sunsetting it entirely. The shittily-coded transition from space cop to "invading force" has been left there to fester and rot for so long that untangling it not only isn't worth the time and effort but would likely change nothing

full grove
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Right. 1. I choose when to intervene or not. 2. Who cares if they decide to rescue the civilians they have laid claim over, it's a frontier sector and they need civilians to survive. 3. It's not my fault the PDV players only care about TDM and not bothering to RP or interact outside their bubble.

ancient cedar
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TSF does not and never has felt like an invading force, oppressive, or at all like the bad guys. They do quite literally all the classic space cop shit, regardless of whatever the lore wants to say

median hare
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Monolith doesn't enforce RP standards

full grove
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I'm sorry we don't murder civilians left and right. Lol

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maybe we need the civilians for industry here.

median hare
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If you don't enforce RP standards, then what's the point in bitching how people play them.

full grove
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honestly as I've thought of it, maybe the TSF SHOULD be the good guys since the PDV lore has been rewritten to be hella evil and they only RP as terrorists

ancient cedar
# full grove I'm sorry we don't murder civilians left and right. Lol

ERs still have TSF death rattles, TSF comms are still in the overseer and DoC's PTechs, TSF is still tasked with "anti-smuggling" which is seen as a "crime", TSF guards vaults from CC like the NFSD do on Frontier, the criminal records computer still goes straight to TSF comms, the TSF clothing vendor in the Halcyon dorm area is quite literally still the NFSD sprite

median hare
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Either you want people to play a faction as its lore states, which means enforcing RP standards, or you font want to restrict players by enforcing it, msking the changes meaningless.

ancient cedar
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Enforce them yourself

full grove
median hare
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We did.

ancient cedar
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You're banned and Voss plays once in a blue moon

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You both look like you're clinging to the past of a game you no longer play

median hare
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Tada.

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I wonder why

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HMMMMM

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Big think

gloomy coral
ancient cedar
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I dunno man you tell me

full grove
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TSF should be the good guys imo at this point

median hare
gloomy coral
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both sides are fun to RP and there's plenty of examples to imitate

ancient cedar
median hare
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Why

ancient cedar
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There should be no "good guys" just good people in a shit situation

full grove
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And of course you are the person who decides what the lore should be because you are the epitome of what good lore should be.

median hare
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Do you hate good, do you think ideals are a farce

gloomy coral
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not like DSM and NCWL are any more inspired

ancient cedar
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Factions should ultimately be self-serving & only care about their own interests, they shouldn't be "omg we're your knights in shining armor!"

gloomy coral
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racist feudal empire and communists

ancient cedar
median hare
full grove
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I don't care what you think they should be.

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This isn't Hullrot.

median hare
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Why should they be self serving

ancient cedar
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A government is fucking self-serving at its very core

median hare
ancient cedar
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It only cares for its own interests and the interests of its people

full grove
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Colossus is claimed as its people now.

gloomy coral
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xir this is a video game, not real life 🤓

ancient cedar
full grove
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And?

median hare
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And?

gloomy coral
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we don't need to structure our gameplay around Enlightened Nihilism™ to have a fun game

ancient cedar
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It is completely and wholly unrealistic for there to be "good guys" and "bad guys" in a warzone where both sides are only there to serve their own interests

ancient cedar
full grove
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It is completely and wholly unrealistic for Monolith to exist, or the ADS or Chimera or anything.,

ancient cedar
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Black and white leaves little room for larp or other avenues

median hare
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So what's wrong with the morally gray TSF doing good guy things if theyre already morally grey

gloomy coral
ancient cedar
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TSF isn't morally grey

gloomy coral
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i love RPing evil villains with zero redeeming qualities

median hare
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The lore says they are

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It sounds like you just dont like TSF players using agency to do good.

ancient cedar
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Nobody plays them like they are, the biggest contributing factor is you completely changed their lore while half-assing the game changes

ancient cedar
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I literally couldn't care less

full grove
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Well we wish you wouldn't.

median hare
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It sounds like you dont like it.

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Have you tried taking leadership and nudging TSF more "morally grey" in how you lead them?

ancient cedar
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Yes & it's quite enjoyable

median hare
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I agree, thats how we did it

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So continue doing that and fostering a culture change like you should in RP

ancient cedar
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That still doesn't fix the fact we basically took the space police, took the police off their vests, and left them in the fucking police station

median hare
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Well no

ancient cedar
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And told them "oops you're morally grey now haha"

median hare
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We put the police station on CC and gave them roles. Ships.

ancient cedar
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You completely missed the analogy

median hare
ancient cedar
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You built a half-assed police station on CC, gave it 1 role, and a handful of ships

full grove
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We're not going to rename a faction and change their drip just to make you feel like they're not police.

ancient cedar
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WWhile the old guys are still kicking it up how they were before they started now just without the word "police" on their vests

median hare
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You keep saying "you" like youre not also part of this community v

full grove
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You'd need to change the stuff you have issues with in PRs.

ancient cedar
median hare
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We did do it. We RPed.

ancient cedar
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I have had people to this day still think, oocly, that TSF is the police & still controls CC

full grove
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Yes because you know what? Nobody cares and people are dumbasses.

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And the only thing people think is RP is total TDM.

median hare
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We told people for months in game and in discord "we're not cops"

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MONTHS AGO

ancient cedar
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You did a rather shit job of it

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Regardless, this thread has gotten way off track

full grove
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I'm sorry

median hare
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Yeah, because players dont care.

full grove
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We did a shit job of it?

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I can't fix the fucking community.

ancient cedar
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Anyways back to the point of this thread. Ideasguying for aesthetics, title, etc for a potential replacement.

full grove
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I tried but everyone thinks that everyone should TDM the crap out of it and not bother RPing.

median hare
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I can tell Johnny mouth breather thst we're not cops, and next shift he's bitching that TSF ain't killing pirates.

full grove
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Okay back to the idea of this thread.

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No.

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This idea is fucking stupid.

median hare
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Fuckin stupid.

ancient cedar
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ok you're entitled to that opinion

full grove
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And you're entitled to your own dumb opinion.

ancient cedar
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Let's try and keep it respectful please

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Thank you!

full grove
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Sure thing.

ancient cedar
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Anyways back to the point of this thread. Ideasguying for aesthetics, title, etc for a potential replacement.

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So far we've had a trade union military a la Star Wars Trade Federation

median hare
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Let's call it "evil high tech stink boys", make them green, with lasers, and bully civilians for taxes and their technology

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Or Machovian Technocracy

ancient cedar
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If you feel upset, feel free to use #general

median hare
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Whaddya mean, you dont think im in good faith? 🥺

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My machovians ain't cool?

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Don't like the color green?

ancient cedar
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I can see maybe Machovian Technocracy maybe?

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Doesn't feel like it fits the server vibe though

median hare
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Nothing does because the server has no vibe, as it has no culture in a community swarming with fraggers and fails to self police itself into anything resembling MRP, and will continue to fail because mass appeal for TDM is cooler than high brow morally grey space middle east.

ancient cedar
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Let's try and engage in honest discussion within this thread that's focused on actual contributions rather than just taking out your frustrations 🤗

median hare
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All Hail Machovia.

valid fjord
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simple solution

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make pdv suits tan and tsf suits black

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no more telling whos good and whos bad

full grove
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black with blue trim

tough dragon
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People don't RP here much period

regal swift
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but how to rp, i don't know how to do that !
(i really don't)

tough dragon
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which both are valid, for the record

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honestly the majority of it is just knowing how the universe works and playing like all of it actually has an effect on you, like dying (obviously you wouldn't want to die IRL, in SS13/14 i imagine cloning is a thing but it's still not pleasent so you should try and avoid it)

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bitching about not getting paid

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etc etc

regal swift
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Last time i gpt roasted because i was mostly selfinsert so guess it's enough

tough dragon
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straight up

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contrary to popular belief we are, in fact, characters with motivations & goals

untold sleet
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self insert generally doesnt even refer to what youre saying in mono’s context, its just people who overly associate themselves with their character and take IC events OOC

tough dragon
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that's how i see it anyways

untold sleet
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its not exclusively for self inserts, its just significantly more common with them

tough dragon
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is it really?

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i don't notice it being much more common between those two

untold sleet
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but also if you’re playing a self insert that IS separated from yourself you arent really playing a self insert

untold sleet
tough dragon
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hmmp.

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maybe i'm just outta touch..

ancient cedar
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@untold sleet You're my ideasguy

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Now ideasguy

untold sleet
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yes saar

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uhmm

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what if we replace them with DSM from hullrot

ancient cedar
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Real

ocean sentinel
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Umm PDV is DSM from hullrot

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But more arabic than European

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Actually let’s have religion war

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Holy war

ancient cedar
winter perch
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can we replace tsf with the central solarian authoritat

ancient cedar
ashen zephyr
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only people who are local are PDV

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and not even them are the security

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xD

tough dragon
astral cosmos
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There's dedicated TSF players which might be driven away

ancient cedar
astral cosmos
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This guy is slandering yall

median hare
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He knows

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He's just salty no one likes his idea

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Anyway, hail Machovia

astral cosmos
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the thing with the ASR-> PDV change was that ASR was not liked within the community that much and they lacked things compared to TSF at the moment

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However the TSF side is a lot more flavored, the community also worked out guides and lore/flavor for them

ancient cedar
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No offense to them but I'm not taking their views in the same consideration that I take those of active players

astral cosmos
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Well, have you considered the work that would have to be done in order to replace such a massive faction?

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Because it would be problematic if the new faction is not implemented completely

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or just has less stuff than TSF

ancient cedar
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Ships, sprites, ranks, roles, etc

astral cosmos
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Yes, and that is a lot of work

ancient cedar
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I plan to do most of it myself tbh likely a long project

astral cosmos
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Gotta weigh that against what the update would bring long-termed ly

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So what would replacing TSF with a new faction do long-termedly for the community?

ancient cedar
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And if it doesn't get implemented then at worst I got to better my skills and practice

astral cosmos
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but

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Think about where you are going before you walk the long journey

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I couldnt get what you are actually aiming for with the replacement except for "space cops", but TSF is pretty far from space cops to begin with considering we have the actual space cops

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Your efforts could be adding to the game instead of replacing a part of the game

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i personally think a third faction would be cool

knotty coral
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In general,ppl hate change.Especially when it isn't beneficial to them

ancient cedar
# astral cosmos So what would replacing TSF with a new faction do long-termedly for the communit...

TSF, as it stands, has a lot of holdovers from the NFSD & when it was considered the police force of the sector. Untangling that mess is not only a shitshow but doesn't change or solve much. The largest issue is that TSF, while their purpose changed, has had almost nothing else changed about them from their name to the aesthetic, or even their ranks.
This does nothing to help the thoughts of players who still play like they're the police force and also doesn't help the returning players who still believe they are the police force. I have had numerous interactions with players who still believe CC/MD is under TSF & that TSF are still law and order in the sector.
While a culture change is hard enough, attempting a culture change while changing absolutely nothing else is even more difficult. You cannot slap a new label on something and expect everything to change overnight, that's why massive restructuring of organizations, like what TSF underwent when they became the "invading force" rather than the police, usually comes with changes such as the aesthetic, logo/emblem/symbol/etc, new uniforms, etc.

knotty coral
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You gotta make your idea to be most appeal to them if you want to get an approval

astral cosmos
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What we should be aiming here is to encourage the cultural change because we've pretty much done enough mechanically

ancient cedar
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We haven't done shit mechanically

astral cosmos
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the TSF flavoring itself isnt the problem

full grove
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hot take, it shouldn't actually be TSFMC as the main focus but TSFN

astral cosmos
full grove
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the Navy

astral cosmos
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Why though?

full grove
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since people mostly want us focused on ship fighting

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because marines don't fly ships

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they're anti boarders

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or boarders

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or ground landing on planet

ancient cedar
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What we've done is yank the police tab off of the vests of the old guys but left them with all their same systems and structures while handing a gun to a mall cop and calling it a day

astral cosmos
knotty coral
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If we want the actual police faction.. i think we could just upscale CDM,no?

ancient cedar
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TSF still gets the criminal console alerts

full grove
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anyway, TSF has lore, it's not really my problem people think we're cops

ancient cedar
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Still gets the ER death rattles

full grove
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then PR that part out

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literally

ancient cedar
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The Overseer & DoC still have access to buy TSF comms

full grove
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then

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change the console

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literally

ancient cedar
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TSF still guards CC vaults

full grove
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it's not CC vaults

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it's solarian vaults

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honestly the vault thing is kinda weird

ancient cedar
astral cosmos
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There isn't a problem to just take these specific mechanics out instead of replacing the whole faction

ancient cedar
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The average mono player is not gonna go read the lore

full grove
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like I don't know about syndicate vaults, we should be raiding those

full grove
knotty coral
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Secure nt vault do share the profits within cc bank and tsf bank ,right?

ancient cedar
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Specifically the last paragraph

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That is the primary issue

full grove
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then fix the issues

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with the NFSD labeling and what not

ancient cedar
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A culture change was attempted while absolutely jack or shit was fixed either on the surface or deeper

full grove
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quit trying to massive overhaul

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we've still got Frontier label slapped on some POIs

knotty coral
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I never think NSFD are same with tsf since we have jugde now..

full grove
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literally, remove the ER death rattles from TSF comms

ancient cedar
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🥹

full grove
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and change the vendor so DoC/CC can't buy TSF comms

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well FIX that then

knotty coral
ancient cedar
knotty coral
full grove
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so FIX it

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we have holdovers so do something to remove that

ancient cedar
full grove
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stop trying to overhaul it

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your issue is the holdovers

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no ok

ancient cedar
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My issue is TSF as a whole

full grove
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your issue is you don't like the TSF and you are trying to justify a problem that is only half of one

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and your solution is to just replace it with whatever teh heck you want

ancient cedar
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I have no problems with the idea of TSF

full grove
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instead of fixing the issues + the culture changes

ancient cedar
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Change is natural & is good

full grove
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culture changes can't happen if nobody is forced to follow lore and properly RP

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if they were, the PDV would RP right

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and we wouldn't have people netspeaking and saying chud and what not

ancient cedar
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The PDV actually fucking focus on killing the TSF

full grove
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no the PDV plays TDM and doesn't care about their culture or RP at all

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if 'focuses on killing the tsf' is all you have to say for them, then congrats they're just the red team/.

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both sides can play TDM or whatever, it's not going to make them RP better, and changing whatever lore or label or icons won't change squat if nobody cares to RP in this MRP labeled server

ocean sentinel
untold sleet
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neither sides RP other than regular military dudes/no RP at all, factions dont have any substance so clearly something is wrong and change is needed

ocean sentinel
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I think TSF rping as regular military dudes is fine because that’s literally what they are

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But PDV needs some flavor which erm they do not add

untold sleet
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tsf is just closer to a regular military but still enough to act differently

ocean sentinel
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Trying to maintain their foothold on the colossus sector and seize PDVs syndie shit

knotty coral
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I do agree on gelli take as most factions players only care to exterminate one and another, though that will still be a valid as long as people do RP alongside their goal.

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Like how pdv often hire merc for business or contract

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I do believe our current factions gameplay and feature would be adequate to have good roleplay environment

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The problem is just how each players use it