My antag will have 500hp, be able to teleport, stealth board, repair any ship, and have free escal on half the server.
https://github.com/Monolith-Station/Monolith/pull/3301
#Undo ADM Buffs
cedar needle
eternal cairn
my only issue with the borgs is the stealth jetpack theres basically no counterplay to that once they board you
cedar needle
my only issue with the borgs is the stealth jetpack theres basically no counterp...
also they come EQUIPPED with a door hack so
fleet oracle
Adm needed some buffs with some things, but this is grossly overtuned
cedar needle
Adm needed some buffs with some things, but this is grossly overtuned
like my post please
cedar needle
my only issue with the borgs is the stealth jetpack theres basically no counterp...
like my post please
so that the maints
see it
and see that nobody asked for this
eternal cairn
the fact they can self repair is also stupid strong
fleet oracle
Still recovering from the maint who said they’d remove my X reaction from a suggestion because I didn’t send a message
eternal cairn
i didnt know that had a scram but it explains how i lost it when i was chasing it in a mech
cedar needle
Why was this buff even made
Literally no fucking reason. There was no community voting or even any public complaints about ADM being underpowered
This buff was made for nothing.
weary meadow
Who made the PR
cedar needle
They could have atleast made a poll
cedar needle
Who made the PR
fleet oracle
Isn’t that the guy who said they could do anything they wanted code wise because they were a maint…
Welp
No use then
weary meadow
Literally just this round I engaged an ADM, fired off first, got it into near crit as I heard the warning buzzer
it panics, grabs the pulse rifle, mag dumps me in less than a second
Mind you I had an enforcer suit with the shield activated
They didn't even damage the shiled
knotty cave
Liberals when they realize the reward for killing the bossfight is the bossfight's gear if they choose to make a borg
Liberals when the scary force is LE scary force.. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIT!! FUCK!! OH FUCK!! NO FUCKING WAY!!
weary meadow
It was completely ignored
knotty cave
maybe HP could be nerfed
weary meadow
Nerf the HP and pulse rifle
weary meadow
those are the biggest offenders
eternal cairn
the rifle does a bunch of weird damage types yea
fleet oracle
You should fight borgs differently
cedar needle
the rifle wasnt necessary nor was the HP
fleet oracle
Borgs have weaknesses most people don’t (EMPs)
knotty cave
btw might be fastest maldthread ive seen pop up
knotty cave
btw might be fastest maldthread ive seen pop up
weary meadow
You should fight borgs differently
So the counterplay is spamming EMPs that instantly make the ADM unable to play
While the other is.....dying to the borg and being unable to play
royal arrow
whoever made ADMs is an agent of mossad and i have played this server for 1 round
weary meadow
Wow, compelling gameplay!
royal arrow
thats all there is to say
loud owl
my small repairer drone will be stronger than an endgame faction member
fleet oracle
There IS a counterplay
A single one
Which is not fun for anyone involved
And is iffy at best
cedar needle
my small repairer drone will be stronger than an endgame faction member
so true
just carry 10 emp nades with you
what? you're a merc that spawned 1 hour ago? gg
loud owl
good joke
weary meadow
Dog
loud owl
they can just scram out of the radius
royal arrow
do flashes work against borgs
weary meadow
I had a WSPR and a enforcer suit
cedar needle
they can just scram out of the radius
LOL TRUE
royal arrow
yea the pulse rifle just melted him through shield
sick ledge
1 emp
royal arrow
zero damage to the shield
fleet oracle
do flashes work against borgs
Some Borgs, I dunno if it affects ADM borgs or not
weary meadow
yea the pulse rifle just melted him through shield
I was flabbergasted
loud owl
1 emp of which the only effective ones arnt available to 80% of the server
weary meadow
Like this shit is literally unfun to deal with
loud owl
im not saying emp nades are bad, its just that the borgs have a literal one click counter to their entire existence
royal arrow
its like 2 seconds in CQC
cedar needle
im not saying emp nades are bad, its just that the borgs have a literal one clic...
okay but here's the thing: if the only way to beat an antag fairly like that is to carry the silver bullet on you 24/7 idk if thats good design
like
yeah it oneshots borgs
pulsar light
Cant you mix EMPs out of round start reagents? Like im not saying that makes it much better but mercs need to start carrying that shit
weary meadow
Mind you we engaged the ADS because it wanted to start fucking with people 600ms near camelot
weary meadow
It wasn't even we were frag hunting
cedar needle
you gotta carry emp on you 24/7
cedar needle
Mind you we engaged the ADS **because it wanted to start fucking with people 600...
yes
it literally
glassed a ship
and killed its 2 members
royal arrow
okay but here's the thing: if the only way to beat an antag fairly like that is ...
i think its bad game design if u have to use one specific tool to defeat an enemy
fleet oracle
Cant you mix EMPs out of round start reagents? Like im not saying that makes it ...
Yes, but very few shuttles have the supplies round start
royal arrow
counters exist to make engagements easier
fleet oracle
EMPs are uranium, iron, and aluminum? I think?
loud owl
chem mix is really easily made, but thats just a worse emp nade
fleet oracle
Something like that
pulsar light
Yes, but very few shuttles have the supplies round start
do drone slop for like five minutes, research chemical payloads, then go to camelot to make some EMPS chuddy. Is this fun? No. But its what you have to do
royal arrow
but there shouldnt be "if u dont have this tool u get melted"
fleet oracle
It’s not particular good
royal arrow
do drone slop for like five minutes, research chemical payloads, then go to came...
yeah thats not good
its not good design sar
cedar needle
do drone slop for like five minutes, research chemical payloads, then go to came...
if its not fun why is it in the game
sweet timber
My antag will have 500hp, be able to teleport, stealth board, repair any ship, a...
250 hp.
cedar needle
okay
knotty cave
than you
cedar needle
remove it
loud owl
ADS should be ship based, and ADMs for their repair from ship battles
sweet timber
They have 250 hp and 75% explosive resistance
fleet oracle
And only chem (not a lot of those) and shuttles with a reagent grinder can make EMPs roundstart, and they need to sacrifice some uranium for it
pulsar light
https://klipy.com/gifs/show-9
knotty cave
I think this is just le mald
cedar needle
This isnt really unusual
it is when they can desword
royal arrow
can we gut the pulse rifle doe
sweet timber
I didnt touch their hp at all
weary meadow
This isnt really unusual
The biggest offender is all the damage types on the pulse rifle
sweet timber
it is when they can desword
The desword is melee
fleet oracle
Shock is almost universally AP
cedar needle
desword has reflection
knotty cave
can we gut the pulse rifle doe
@sweet timber kind of agree
loud owl
other combat borgs dont get infinite scram implants, and one of the most effective ground weapons there is
weary meadow
Deswords fine, it's melee
sweet timber
They cant shoot at you with a desword out
knotty cave
borg should be melee
weary meadow
It's the pulse rifle that I am pissed off at
pulsar light
I think this is just le mald
I do think people mald too much about ADS but it does seem a little overtuned if you dont know exactly what you're doing which sort of just encourages swearty powergaming mercs
fleet oracle
I don’t remember the number
cedar needle
yeah combined with the hp its insane
royal arrow
melee is fine as long as u can properly counter it
royal arrow
without getting 1tapped into hell
fleet oracle
50% is still a lot
royal arrow
50% is in fact still a lot
fleet oracle
But whatever, not too bad
royal arrow
u can switch weapons
fleet oracle
They just
Have a lot to their name
sweet timber
Yes but then you lose the deflect
sweet timber
Desword is its own separate module
cedar needle
can we go back to the topic that nobody asked for this and that there should have been a poll before ADM buffs went into place
royal arrow
the fact that the desword has a 50% chance of reflecting is nuts
fleet oracle
50% reflect, 75% explosion resist innately, a gun that has 10 damage that’s AP, along with like 20-25 heat
I forget numbers for the pulse rifle?
pulsar light
the problem with ADS and ADM is that its they their targets range from the weakest mercs to the strongest factions. How do you balance it so its still fun for both factions and mercs without just buffing the shit out of mercs? Should mercs just power game harder?
sweet timber
the problem with ADS and ADM is that its they their targets range from the weake...
The thing is adm isn't gonna be fighting mercs
fleet oracle
I saw someone say they had a pulse rifle, I’m assuming it is the NT pulse rifle
cedar needle
the problem with ADS and ADM is that its they their targets range from the weake...
this is a question that has been asked to no end about the ADS. maints and staff swear by god that its fun. it is not
sweet timber
If you are trying to board an ads
weary meadow
@sweet timber Look, I genuinely do think the pulse rifle needs to be toned down heavily, make it do heat damage instead of the shock it does for whatever reason
ADM borg boarded my vessel (stealthpack so I only knew it was there because I heard the little fucker impact on my hull)
I prepared for it, WSPR and all, fired first, knocked it onto the verge of crit
It panic grabs it's pulse and magdumps me in half a second and kills me despite all this, mind you, I was in an enforcer suit with the shield active, and the laser completely ignored the shield.
And to top it all off, we engaged because the ship wanted to fuck with a mining ship 600m from camelot
fleet oracle
The thing is adm isn't gonna be fighting mercs
Hey, that’s uh
Not true! Unless mercs lose MIL shuttles (awful idea) or ADS is changed to only after TSF/PDV
cedar needle
it glassed a ship outside camelot and got its ship glassed in return
weary meadow
This is way overtuned
cedar needle
so
fleet oracle
Also
cedar needle
it is fighting mercs
sweet timber
<@413793664905510935> Look, I genuinely do think the pulse rifle needs to be ton...
Its a plasma weapon, its always ignored the shield
Not energy
royal arrow
ok can we gut it for ADS
sweet timber
I gave them the Asakim plasma weapon
weary meadow
So it's just a free stat check with zero counterplay
sweet timber
It was suggested I buff it further
royal arrow
can we gut it
sweet timber
I can transition the extra shock into heat if its too much
weary meadow
Please do
cedar needle
just gut it
weary meadow
Heat damage is more mangeable as you can at the least armor up for it
cedar needle
dont even nerf it
weary meadow
just gut it
We try the damage tweak first
sweet timber
dont even nerf it
There is a reason why you are not a maintainer I see
weary meadow
Then we see where we're at
sweet timber
Relax
cedar needle
bro it can already repair ships infinitely, stealth board, hack any door, has 250 hp and 70% explosion resist, and a desword with 50% reflect, and can self repair easily
weary meadow
The shock damage is far
far too much however
Heat damage would be much more manageable to deal with
cedar needle
There is a reason why you are not a maintainer I see
you neverplayers think your prs are always righteous
you dont listen to the community at fucking all
weary meadow
you neverplayers think your prs are always righteous
You are not helping the case in the slightest
weary meadow
And I'm the guy who just got bent over the table by an ADM
all of fibe minutes ago
Chill
We tweak
cedar needle
You are not helping the case in the slightest
dude
weary meadow
We fix
cedar needle
they didnt even poll
they buff adms without saying anything
like
people already complain
about them
weary meadow
Be a maintainer and make PRs yourself then
cedar needle
and they decide to buff?
weary meadow
All we can do
royal arrow
i think in general having overpowered roles for one purpose or another is bad
weary meadow
Is give feedback
weary meadow
And try to get it fixed
royal arrow
its liberty station all over again
fleet oracle
Well
cedar needle
ads has always been controversial but nobody fucking argues about chimera or anything
weary meadow
Right, so, @sweet timber what's the exact numbers for the pulse rifles projectiles
cedar needle
like
burnt musk
you neverplayers think your prs are always righteous
Tbh calling Red Snowths a „neverplayer“ is one of the stupidest things I heard (respectfully of course)
weary meadow
Red, are you going to keep malding or can we actually figure something out here?
cedar needle
i already got to my point tbh
weary meadow
This is going to go nowhere
cedar needle
axe the pulse rifle
but if it was up to me
we'd remove ADS as a concept
or rework it entirely
sweet timber
fuck you
I am listening to you right now.
You are angry. That is reasonable. Its not productive. Please take a moment to reorganize your thoughts. I dont disagree with you entirely.
weary meadow
Right, so, <@413793664905510935> what's the exact numbers for the pulse rifles p...
.
Let's start at square one
As this IS overtuned
cedar needle
Tbh calling Red Snowths a „neverplayer“ is one of the stupidest things I heard (...
you have the IQ capacity of a summer rat
mald over
weary meadow
How to make your proposal look unappealing to everyone 101:
sweet timber
So for one emps just hard counter them
Like actually hard counter
Its important to get that out of the way
They're a bit like mechs but weaker
royal arrow
So for one emps just hard counter them
yea thats cool but thats not necessarily good design
royal arrow
counters r to exploit one's weakness
royal arrow
not to be a silver bullet that actually affects while all other tools r dogshit and useless
weary meadow
I am aware of the EMP counter
Addressing this as well, ADMs are far more silent and nimble than any of the mechs, with the ability to hide themselves from radar as well
Which I get it, their the OP endgame role or whatever
sweet timber
The pulser has 70 shots in battery
sweet timber
The pulser does 15 heat and 6 shock per projectile at a firerate of 6 rps
cedar needle
**Seventy shots?**
yeah if youve played asakim
sweet timber
It has heavy spread
cedar needle
they have 70 shots and it self recharges
weary meadow
It's self recharging, I know that for certain
cedar needle
you can also set it to burst
sweet timber
Its a bit like a smg
weary meadow
The pulser does 15 heat and 6 shock per projectile at a firerate of 6 rps
6 shock is absurd
It's free AP
Especially at that firerate
I'd say change it to 22 heat
sweet timber
It used to be 6 radiation, but I was told it was weak and should have shock.
fleet oracle
The pulser does 15 heat and 6 shock per projectile at a firerate of 6 rps
That’s
That’s 36 AP damage per second
That’s 3 seconds to crit
sweet timber
That’s
That’s 36 AP damage per second
At point blank
fleet oracle
In almost any hardsuit
weary meadow
Quite literally what happened, yes
sweet timber
A bit strong yes
weary meadow
I was crit instantly despite having the jump on the borg
With a WSPR, mind
All shots connected
fleet oracle
36 isn’t even ALL the damage, it’s just the AP damage
sweet timber
I was initially going to give them a L6 Saw instead
fleet oracle
sweet timber
The other mildly overexcessive thing I did was give them 75% explosive resistance.
This was because I didnt consider them having scram.
Now i did give
fleet oracle
Even if you have 90% heat resistant, that’s 45 damage
In a second
weary meadow
I think
sweet timber
I will tune both down
weary meadow
the pulser very much needs to be touched
sweet timber
The shock is clearly unnecessary
weary meadow
If anything I'd give them a pulse pistol
fleet oracle
That I do like, faction borgs should be innately more durable
-# Also they should be unlocked with basic faction robotics research, so merc borgs can get them
Or a Borg armor item
But
sweet timber
If anything I'd give them a pulse *pistol*
This is a standard asakim weapon
weary meadow
Still effective, and encourages them to use their desword more
sweet timber
I buffed it to shock, that was an error
fleet oracle
That’s neither here nor there, this is for a different thread
sweet timber
For the context of this
The main goal was to move ADS strength away from op ships
Into having strong ADMs as support
Where before uh
fleet oracle
I mean
fleet oracle
ADS always has been a force to be reckoned with
sweet timber
:(
sweet timber
ADS always has been a force to be reckoned with
Ads is stupid powercrept
Their guns are
I've been nerfing them a bit already
fleet oracle
Sorry, the desword dug up Starlight trauma /s
sweet timber
This pr nerfed harbringer and reworked the scythe
And removed the latters excessive damage
I also tuned the leviathan down to something less destructive but instead slightly faster firing than a Charon
ashen wadi
please no im loving the gear
fleet oracle
There was a brief period where nukies on SL could, instead of buying each individual borg, buy a generic borg that selected its chassis
The problem was that it cost 20 TC.
There is a reason assault borgs there are 40 TC.
ashen wadi
i love looting the gear
so good unbalanced
I LOVE ITTT
i love adm gear
its so good
sweet timber
Also adm are
ashen wadi
please dont remove it
sweet timber
Stupid good loot
ashen wadi
i need this speed
sweet timber
This is another aspect of their strength
sweet timber
You want stealth jetpacks, you can earn it by killing an ADM
ashen wadi
you can literally return to 100% combat effectiveness from literally just thin air without returning to base
thats a great loot
fleet oracle
Question
sweet timber
(Who can already use innate borg space maneuvering as a psuedo weaker thruster)
fleet oracle
Are ADM modules universal
fleet oracle
Because they should be if not, to give even more incentive to fighting ADM for loot
sweet timber
Probably
fleet oracle
Also borgs just
Need more weapons modules in general
loud owl
most adm modules are universal yes
fleet oracle
A normal mercenary only has easy access to the merc module, and possibly syndicate modules if they’re smuggling or just super lucky
fleet oracle
I dont know how the mechanic works
Borgs modules? Or???
ashen wadi
@sweet timber the biggest buff we can give is allow faction borgs to use engineering modules
sweet timber
Borgs modules? Or???
Whitelists
ashen wadi
i would love the ADM tool module as borg
you can only get their weapon and SRD module it seems
and not the inf welder/nanite applicator tool
sweet timber
<@413793664905510935> the biggest buff we can give is allow faction borgs to use...
Yeah sure
ashen wadi
which requires you to be an engiborg
sweet timber
Why not
fleet oracle
Some modules can only be used in certain chassis, like the RCD module can only be fitted into engiborgs.
Some modules however, like tools, are universal
ashen wadi
sweet timber
@cedar needle are you sastified?
fleet oracle
We should make a thread for borg modules, to not clutter this one with unrelated stuff
I’ll go make it
sweet timber
6 shock is absurd
so
I'm here to inform you that
it doesn't do shock at all
I was mistaken.
It does 5 Radiation, 5 Caustic, and 14 heat?
cedar needle
all in all 24 damage per shot if unarmored, 10 of that damage is like AP?
is caustic bypass?
armor?
sweet timber
no
sweet timber
all in all 24 damage per shot if unarmored, 10 of that damage is like AP?
yes this w
I edited the shipgun autopuplser
instead of the handheld autopulser
funny
scenic stream
most armours have their own stats to reduce caustic damage
sweet timber
all in all 24 damage per shot if unarmored, 10 of that damage is like AP?
Radiation is the opposite of AP actually
most armors have heavy radiation resistance.
anyways
in all's all
this is a standard gun asakim spawn with
I haven't edited it at all outside of mildly increasing the ADM's versions accuracy
you can't get mad at me
smh
sweet timber
most armours have their own stats to reduce caustic damage
yes
weary meadow
this is a standard gun asakim spawn with
To be fair those does not make it any less broken
70 shots with 6 RPS, infinite ammunition and incredible DPS
Is a bit wild
Mind you I'm not holding you at fault here
sweet timber
To be fair those does not make it any less broken
I haven't really seen complaints about asakim?
weary meadow
I just think this needs tweaking
sweet timber
70 shots with 6 RPS, infinite ammunition and incredible DPS
its range is shit tho
it has nasty spread
weary meadow
Most combat in Mono is very close quarters
sweet timber
you die to it at close range and slaughter it with a rifle
yes
or counter it with a mech
which shrugs off rad and caustic easily
or a borg
or an ally I guess
weary meadow
But that then falls into the loop of 'mech powergaming'
Which people already are iffy on
Honestly I'd say a good tweak to test may be either
Reducing it's cell cap
Or it's ROF
sweet timber
ngl
I thought it was 40 shots cell cap
I only realized it was 70 when I did the math
so I will start from there
weary meadow
30 may be a good number, encourages hit and run gameplay
Especially what with the
stealth kit
sweet timber
70 shots with 6 RPS, infinite ammunition and incredible DPS
it recharges one shot a second
btw
its not infinite ammo by any metric
weary meadow
Im aware
sweet timber
you can't call me
weary meadow
I've sort of used it a few times
weary meadow
Mind you I'm not holding you at fault here
.
sweet timber
you can't say 144 DPS is
that incredible
most SMGs beat that number easily
at best, its the damage type carrying the weight.
weary meadow
Most SMGs also check ballistic armor and can be countered by plates/shields
is the thing
sweet timber
sure
weary meadow
I defo think reducing it's cell cap may be a good place to start
Make ADMs pick their battles
lilac cosmos
i think its bad game design if u have to use one specific tool to defeat an enem...
mechs😀
weary meadow
*mechs*😀
Encouraging mech usage only pisses people off
People already mald at mechs enough as is
lilac cosmos
People already mald at mechs enough as is
Yeah I am in fact one of the greatest mech haters there are
But I have to admit I think this isn't that this isn't that big of issue
sweet timber
Yeah I am in fact one of the greatest mech haters there are
I dislike mechs too
they're too centralized
sweet timber
they should require infantry support and be much slower
weary meadow
Stealth kits kind of eh but it is interesting
ashen wadi
S1s?
sweet timber
My biggest gripe was the pulse rifle specifically tbqh
literally standard asakim weapon
btw
ashen wadi
honestly we can completely get rid of the S2 Sabre variant red
weary meadow
literally standard asakim weapon
Refer to my earlier comment
ashen wadi
have you seen the movespeed of that
sweet timber
Mechs could use a HP cut or a movespeed cut
or both
specifically boarding mechs
S1s or whatever
weary meadow
It should be noted asakim can also be bled and all that jazz
Borgs are relatively more tanky
sweet timber
And EMPs are not fun for anyone involved
you say that one species has a weakness and then ignore the fact the other also has a weakness
weary meadow
The ADM player being unable to play because they got EMP'd
lilac cosmos
literally standard asakim weapon
I think asakim were worse so 500hp borgs that don't have easily available reflection chance melee weapons that completely forgot the point of their melee weakness
sweet timber
The ADM player being unable to play because they got EMP'd
which will only last as long as they're disabled
they have self-recharging cells
weary meadow
you say that one species has a weakness and then ignore the fact the other also ...
Compared to having the ability to play removed as compared to.....
Checks notes
backing off to use a suture
sweet timber
nasty but not too bad unless someone is using gross shit like emp ammo
weary meadow
Is a poor comparison
sweet timber
Compared to having the ability to play removed as compared to.....
*Checks note...
then why bring bleeding up in the first place if it doesn't matter?
lilac cosmos
I don't think borgs are offensive at least compared to their predecessor
weary meadow
Because you keep saying 'Asakim have this too btw'
We've said repeatedly that doesn't change it being broken, and Asakim are relatively easier to deal with
lilac cosmos
Because you keep saying 'Asakim have this too btw'
We've said repeatedly that d...
Asakim were not relatively easier to deal with
Their only true weakness was melee builds
Which was supplemented by the fact that they had the best melee weapon in the game
royal arrow
emps exist
and
whats supposed to be the point
its great that borgs have 1 weakness but they r still tanky and fast
and in this case ADS has a pulserifle that melts u in a second or 2
gritty gazelle
Asakim were not relatively easier to deal with
Their only true weakness was mel...
Oh I haven’t seen you around for a while huh
lilac cosmos
Asakim were not relatively easier to deal with
Their only true weakness was mel...
At least compared to borgs
There is something to actually do against them instead of just dying
After laying them with four mags and half of the bullets ricocheting back at you
lilac cosmos
Oh I haven’t seen you around for a while huh
Ello
gritty gazelle
and in this case ADS has a pulserifle that melts u in a second or 2
It empties the pulse rifle when you EMP it btw
Stops it from recharging for like 30 seconds
Empties their Esword and anaconda too
They’re basically stuck empty
sweet timber
Because you keep saying 'Asakim have this too btw'
We've said repeatedly that d...
You bring up bleeding like its some important asakim weakness because without bleeding a borg is more tanky
asakim can wear armor
royal arrow
It empties the pulse rifle when you EMP it btw
yeah but this is a silver bullet
royal arrow
a counter is obviously cool but combat shouldnt be centered around hard counters
lilac cosmos
You bring up bleeding like its some important asakim weakness because without bl...
Asakim bleeding???
They literally have a syringe that stops them from bleeding that is not a weakness 😭
sweet timber
shields
eshields
borgs are strong because they are weak
otherwise borgs are unplayable
an ADM isn't gonna steal your rocket launcher and blow your head off
they don't have hands
they're not gonna have 3 guns in their bag
all rapidfire SMGs
next stirrup
ADM rocket launcher module please.
royal arrow
borgs are strong because they are weak
i dont think overbuffing borgs is the solutino doe
ashen wadi
Empties their Esword and anaconda too
no, anaconda is not defined as an energy weapon prototype, it is not effected by emp
sweet timber
there is a significant difference
royal arrow
they're not gonna have 3 guns in their bag
u ever watched game of thrones
sweet timber
i dont think overbuffing borgs is the solutino doe
then code a better one
royal arrow
or read
ashen wadi
it is a ballistic weapon with an ammo replicator
royal arrow
ur the one who pred it doe
sweet timber
make a better balance
lilac cosmos
u ever watched game of thrones
I need to watch game of thrones in order to understand space station 14 ship fork?
royal arrow
why are u mad at feedback
royal arrow
I need to watch game of thrones in order to understand space station 14 ship for...
no theres just a cool quote
hes of the opinion that 3 axes is better than two
ashen wadi
boarding action doesnt matter unless its unavoidable like in the case of ports imoo
who gaf if ADM can teleport 50 meter
my ship can move 100 meters a second
and shell it from 1km away
and ADS is specifically forbid from operating in ports anyway
sweet timber
ur the one who pred it doe
I have better things to do in my life than rework how EMPs affect borgs
go make a suggestion with your ideasguy idea
or shut up
royal arrow
this is not about EMPs
lilac cosmos
hes of the opinion that 3 axes is better than two
I mean yeah you have three axes you could sell the 3th Axe
Throw it at your enemy
Share it with a friend
Why wouldn't you have a third axe?
royal arrow
this is just about EMPs being le prophesied silver bullet to borgs while undermining all other ways to combat le borg
this is erm
not good design
royal arrow
counters r cool but as i said combat shouldnt be centered around hard counters
royal arrow
ok y did u argue here in the first place
lilac cosmos
this is just about EMPs being le prophesied silver bullet to borgs while undermi...
You are absolutely correct but in my opinion this is just a massive step up from asakim
While also not having ADM the end game enemy being a pushover
sweet timber
ok y did u argue here in the first place
because I am fixing ADM
this is completely unrelated to the topic
gritty gazelle
no, anaconda is not defined as an energy weapon prototype, it is not effected by...
Who changed this?
royal arrow
im not following you
gritty gazelle
I’ve been EMP’d and lost my anaconda charge
ashen wadi
anaconda is bullet based
only energy weapons get effected
itts a ballistic with a ammo replicator prototype
its not energy
sweet timber
yes
ashen wadi
same case for the Borg L6 SAW
royal arrow
You are absolutely correct but in my opinion this is just a massive step up from...
its okay if the endgame enemy in question has its strengths and weaknesses
sweet timber
I might be wrong tho
ashen wadi
also you shouldnt lose the esword at all?? idk
royal arrow
not good...
ashen wadi
no that's energy I think
i think it shows red dots as its ammo counter instead of bullet sprite, mayhaps
lilac cosmos
its okay if the endgame enemy in question has its strengths and weaknesses
I mean it literally does it has damn right oppressive firepower
And it's weakness is EMP
Which can be used around corners to massively weakenen the borg
sweet timber
all in all
royal arrow
I mean it literally does it has damn right oppressive firepower
And it's weaknes...
its weakness is EMP and people treat emp grenades as le silver bullet
royal arrow
but dats just lame
sweet timber
suggestion denied.
I have made a PR to nerf the obviously bad powercreep
but that's it
lilac cosmos
suggestion denied.
May I make one more point?
sweet timber
May I make one more point?
you are open to make a #1336406728614477944 or #1396167982337495210
It may be looked at later.
lilac cosmos
you are open to make a <#1336406728614477944> or <#1396167982337495210>
It's an argument not a suggestion so whatever
sweet timber
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ok so you joined 1 day ago
you joined the Monolith discord one day ago
royal arrow
yea hello
sweet timber
and you have "such strong opinions" on balance already? sheesh
royal arrow
ye
sweet timber
bro get a life
royal arrow
and you have "such strong opinions" on balance already? sheesh
i dont need to be a chef to say the food is dogshit
?
y u mad
sweet timber
you died once to an ADM
hazy laurel
you died once to an ADM
Btw as ADM I wiped LPB because I was immortal
Even with the Instakill bulldog Borg point blanking me
Warp / repair / warp
Impossible to kill without a do after
sweet timber
Btw as ADM I wiped LPB because I was immortal
you know like
hazy laurel
Make scram have a do after that requires you to sit still
sweet timber
I can wipe LPB too
uncut brook
Honestly are they that much different than like a gygax? etc
sweet timber
that's not particularly impressive
sweet timber
this is entirely irrelevant
hazy laurel
Point blank spamming you with a Instakill bulldog
uncut brook
+Borgs cant heal mid combat or get back up from crit like biologics can
sweet timber
ADMs aren't any more innately tankier than faction borgs
hazy laurel
Theyre impossible to kill in 1 on 1 combat from that experience
hazy laurel
ADMs aren't any more innately tankier than faction borgs
Yes but they have a warp
sweet timber
faction borgs are just tanky
hazy laurel
They can warp and heal
hazy laurel
they have two charges
No
It has a cool-down
Ilya made it so they have 20
Charges
2 charges then long cool-down
Then you can do 2 warps again
uncut brook
Feel like your gonna meet a ton of people malding that a borg can suddenly take em in a fight for the first time.
hazy laurel
they have two charges
20 is not infinite however due to the nature of combat in this server it on a practical level is
uncut brook
Despite the giant glowing weakspot that is emp
hazy laurel
Since you have the like 30 second cool-down
So you effectively have a minimal depletion rate of like 10 minutes
lol
Of straight warping effort
sweet timber
20 is not infinite however due to the nature of combat in this server it on a pr...
bro
hazy laurel
Use delay
sweet timber
what are you talking about
sweet timber
you said they have 20 charges?????
hazy laurel
you said they have 20 charges?????
I inspected it wrong
Mb
They have infinite warps
sweet timber
yes
hazy laurel
Still
hazy laurel
yes
That’s the easiest balance fix to avoid them using it in conjunction with warping in combat 40 metres away instantly.
3 second do after and stopped movement is good imo
sweet timber
I'm just going to crank up the cooldown to a large amount
if
that's an issue
I am not doing that now
hazy laurel
I'm just going to crank up the cooldown to a large amount
Still doesnt solve the issue with them Uhm
sweet timber
look arctic I get it
they're strong
can we not turbo nerf them so soon
you can change it yourself if you want
but I'm not going to bother doing anymore changes
for a while
hazy laurel
can we not turbo nerf them so soon
That’s the only critique I have. Nazrin said the same with the instakill energy weapons
💔
“Nazrin I need to change this its super unbalanced” “leave them for a bit”
And I had to speed patch when I did tests and showed fluffen
hazy laurel
being able to kill npcs is
?
Red
I was talking about PVP
The Borgs
The syndicate player Borg that has the super firerate bulldog
I wasn’t talking about the NPCs
They don’t target ADMs
LOL
sweet timber
The syndicate player Borg that has the super firerate bulldog
how is this related
ok
I see
please don't ping me about this thread anymore
@hazy laurel
hazy laurel
It shows how neigh unkillable it is - to where a weapon being used against it that is overpowered had no affect on me due to being competent in combat (warping, healing, warping)
sweet timber
I am not going to be looking at it
hazy laurel
Ok.
It does not change how I’m relevantly talking about how in practical situations it is unfair to fight against.
I will need to conduct a test if this works with EMP activated. If it does? Then it should be at a minimum be nerfed.
Otherwise it should just get a DO-AFTER that is stopped by movement
sweet timber
Otherwise it should just get a *DO-AFTER* that is stopped by movement
you can nerf it if you feel its necessary
hazy laurel
It’s a slight alteration that’s all. Yeah.
sweet timber
It’s a slight alteration that’s all. Yeah.
you say so
hazy laurel
It keeps it very powerful but it only stops immediate combat warping
sweet timber
except you don't realize what you are suggesting is C# work
and therefore "not slight at all"
I've already said I'm not doing extensive PRing this week
you can't tell me to do this
I flat out refuse
stop
its so annoying
and frustrating
hazy laurel
Okay. Then it should be removed until further review
sweet timber
he's really
hazy laurel
I’ll bother Ilya about it
sweet timber
the one you should be arguing with
hazy laurel
the one you should be arguing with
Yes I didn’t know because it was your PR
I apologise
sweet timber
I didn't add it because I couldn't be bothered to
Ilya decided to fix up scram code in order to add it
scram has always been a very strong ability
being able to escape from danger
hazy laurel
Otherwise it should just get a *DO-AFTER* that is stopped by movement
@urban rune suggestion ^
sweet timber
this is undeniable
in ss14 and otherwise
just because an antag can scram away to escape doesn't mean its uber broken
I think the cooldowns or two charges might be excessive tho
the fact is that you are
basing your results off
people who have no idea how to deal with the new ADMs
hazy laurel
Refer to Ilya rather as stated by Red. it is clearly out of my expertise if requires C#
ashen wadi
10min seems reasonable lowkey
sweet timber
agreed
ashen wadi
You dont need teleport every 40 seconds
sweet timber
two teleports per 40 seconds
ashen wadi
Is it 20? 💀