The Iscariot

[austere willow]

"It is mankind's birthright that we should inherit the stars. We alone possess the divine spark of creation, and all other pretenders 》 Must be rooted out.《" - Aleksander Bishop.

It's beginnings rooted in the wake of the shattering that befell Earth, The Iscariot as it is known today began small. Whispered discontent, doubt in the SolGov, those who blamed the disaster on technology that was Xenos in origin, these people would go on to leave the Sol system and strike a claim in a heretofore unknown system.
Tragedy struck as the unknown until that point "rightful" owners of the system arrived as the refugees had begun colonization efforts on a new world.
The Xenos retribution was as swift as it was brutal, thousands were dead in a matter of days, and the refugees petitions for aid fell on the deaf ears of Federation diplomats who sited "neutrality in the face of an alien government's rightful claim" as the people cried out for aid to their defense.

The wake of this tragedy caused a schism amongst the survivors of the attacks. Those who wished to return to the Federation, to bow to the tyrants who had let them die, to kneel before their mercy and beg for salvation from a cruel and weak government who sought to placate the whims of a hostile alien civilization over the lives of it's very people-

And those who did not
This schism marked the beginning of The Iscariot proper. Under the leadership of Arcturus Bishop those who remained would formally secede from the Federation and disappear from record, save for occasional reports of contact with ships matching their description on fringe sectors of Federation territory.

In the recent decades of expansion, The Iscariot now seep into the Colossus Sector, lead by a council that seeks to uphold the ideals of their great founder, they have begun to stake claim to the edges of Monolith Space.

Core tenets.

"The history of these days will be written in blood. We are fighting for our very existence. By crushing the armies of our enemy, by seizing the very weapons they sought to turn against us, we will endure. But- if there are those who would deny us peace, refuse us our rightful place in the universe, then we will unleash such terrible vengeance that generations yet unborn will cry out in anguish." - Aleksander Bishop

The Iscariot adhere to a simple philosophy after the dark days of their beginnings. ** Humanity are the only ones in this universe to be trusted. **
As such, all members of the Iscariot are humans, or abhumans. There is no discrimination between the two, as they are all considered inheritors of mankind's destiny to rule the stars.
Humans, Harpies, Oni, Dwarves, only these are considered by the Iscariot to be true and worthy of the greats works that came before.
IPC's and Silicon life are indistinguishable in their view, merely tools of humanities making to help in their mission to conquer the stars, and a tool has no soul.

Relations with the Sector at Large.

"We do not blame the Federation for what became of us, no. They merely did what they thought was best in their darkest hour to preserve what remained, the loss of Earth shook many of us to our core. Too many of us lashed out at them, called them cowards cowering on Mars, while the vultures encircled us but we endured, we survived, and we will TAKE BACK, what was taken from us!" - Arcturus Bishop

The Iscariot have a strained relationship with the Trans-Solar Federation. Whilst many of them blame their plight on them, others of the Iscariot recognize that Sol is the cradle of humanity and is thus the Federation should be swayed over to their side. At least the human portion

The Iscariot are relatively new to the Colossus Sector as a whole, having been in their own isolated spaces until this point, and therefore are mostly unknown to the Phaethon Dynasty. The Iscariot knowing not whether this "Sultan" they worship is man or alien, are not entirely trusting of their new neighbors.

[neat vessel]

wait, this is peak

[fallen bane]

proper writing, hundreds of years of history described without lists or numbers, perfect

[dense egret]

funny

[austere willow]

but is it good writing?

[night gull]

kino start

[dense egret]

yes

[trail atlas]

Cool

[austere willow]

Thanks Nigel, that means a lot 🥹

[weak quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/504094319075131402/1320529128734199879/attachment.gif

[pale python]

The sultan is a god

He is the god

The most blessed god

[vapid socket]

okay but is he human

[native bramble]

What do you think?

Of course the sultan is a human

[next shale]

@austere willow what's the faction colors

[gray pivot]

Adding a racist company but not explicitly calling them what they are is just going to make this server hullrot 2.

[vapid socket]

specieist

specieism =/= racism

just like playing the imperium in wh40k doesn't make you a racist

[gray pivot]

speciesism is racism with how species are treated in SS14. You know that the game's species is pretty much just "race" with how it's been used in TTRPGs and fantasy, all player characters have human intellect and desires. You're just hiding it behind the word "specist" because you know that it carries less negative connotations.

Call it what it is.

In order to play this company, you'd have to be able to say "my character is racist".

[austere willow]

Oh my fucking God the pearl clutchers who can't differentiate reality from fiction found my post

[gray pivot]

Okt, you know exactly what kind of players will be playing this and what they will be using it as an excuse to do. This isn't about "reality vs fiction," this is about shitheads joining and using the fact they picked the racist company to always RR people based on species.

[vapid socket]

yeah i can easily say this because i know how to differentiate characters from people

my character is a giga space racist already

no bootskin will ever be allowed on any of his ships

filthy scalies

[gray pivot]

You can't hide behind it being "fictional" when the players are very real and the lore is going to influence people to be shitters ingame and try to ruin everyone else's game.

[dense egret]

the company won't be approved if its only purpose is to RR people based on species

I can confirm that

we will see how it develops

[pale python]

@austere willow what about ipcs

[austere willow]

It's in there

[vapid socket]

theyre tools for humans to use as they please

[gray pivot]

This is besides the fact it will make some players uncomfortable because I already know you all are too much of unepathetic shitheads to even get that.

[pale python]

i dont have enough reading comprehension to read alat

[austere willow]

Use for the advancement of mankind. Like Borgos

[pale python]

oh

i found it

[vapid socket]

oh noooo i huwt someones feewings by insuwting they fictionaw chawactew

[old steppe]

Holy peakium

Human supremacist company

[austere willow]

humanity*

[old steppe]

SIGN ME UP

[austere willow]

We let other abhumans in

[vapid socket]

TI Humanity First reference

[austere willow]

They're still humans. No discrimination between all of humanity

[weak quail]

Speciest not racist

[gray pivot]

I've already explained why specism in this case is racism

[vapid socket]

you havent explained anything lol

youve just complained

[gray pivot]

Read it again

[sturdy garnet]

RRing people based on species is just bullshit mald
the Respawn button is right there

[vapid socket]

again, it doesnt equate to real life racism in any way

[sturdy garnet]

you literally cannot be RRd in monolith

[vapid socket]

its made up characters in a fictional setting

[outer thicket]

I dont see any problem with this. Yes xenophobia is a thing. That doesn't mean the company has to reflect the real beliefs of people on this server, instead of shying away from these topics and trying to pretend like they wouldnt exist, exploring the topics and considering that groups like these could exist gives more Sovl to the universe. Heketaro Separatists is literally a Vox only group that discriminates against other species. I didnt see any backlash there

[vapid socket]

who come from different species with different histories, from different planets

[gray pivot]

Do you not follow NLR or something?

[austere willow]

Vox aren't humans tho. 🤔

[vapid socket]

round removing only exists on station servers where you cant come back if you get killed in specific ways

[austere willow]

also strange days when Swadian is on my side

[sturdy garnet]

how does that relate to respawning

at all

[vapid socket]

here no matter what happens you can always respawn

[outer thicket]

What im trying to say is its interesting how people didnt care about a Vox only company but tables are being flipped at this

[vapid socket]

i dont have a problem with you in any way lol, just some of your takes are infernal brimstone

[outer thicket]

Yeah this

[weak quail]

Racism is discrimination against one of your own species for superficial and/or minor differences (like skin or face structure). Punctuated typically by tradition and fear, very little evidence for it.

Speciesism is the practice of discrimination against different species, often for not being your own species or the way they behave/look.

[vapid socket]

because the furries may NOT be discriminated against

in any wat

[outer thicket]

Oktober has really shit takes sometimes but this faction is fine

[weak quail]

They are very different things

[austere willow]

I wrote reasoning into da lore too

[weak quail]

Write more

[neat vessel]

But me being able to do torturous lobotomies on people following essentially another religion is fine?

[austere willow]

they hate me when I writr

[weak quail]

Don’t do what I did with zealots and just write while adding the faction

Write, sprite, then add

[vapid socket]

you dont get it, furries could NEVER do evil fucked up shit to anybody ever

[weak quail]

It needs content to work

[austere willow]

I INTENTIONALLYEFT IT VAGUE

[weak quail]

This server is 16+ I cannot speak my mind on this topic.

[austere willow]

So it wouldn't be "oh yeah we specifically hate this one species"

[weak quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1371284325647126569/1475263651739865189/noticing-seal.gif

[gray pivot]

Dumbass.

Everything you have is on your ship, which can be hours of work. If you get RR, then there is no chance you will ever be able to get it back.

[weak quail]

*there is no RR you can respawn

[sturdy garnet]

do you even understand the concept of Round Removal

[vapid socket]

never played a roguelike

[weak quail]

It’s called getting killed, librol

[sturdy garnet]

you don't get Removed from the round if you die

[weak quail]

That too

[sturdy garnet]

if you lose your shit then sucks to suck

[weak quail]

On ss13 you would be GONE.

[sturdy garnet]

an end is always a new beginning

[weak quail]

Here we literally have a button that brings you back with full kit

In the case of factions, you also come with a free ship

[gray pivot]

Why the hell does MD even exist then if this is your mentality?

[outer thicket]

@austere willow drama aside, any ideas for a logo, or color code yet?

[weak quail]

Idk I hate medics bro

[sturdy garnet]

that doesn't relate to conversation whatsoever

[weak quail]

You’re asking Pol Pot why medics exist bro

[sturdy garnet]

MD is just a zone for people to do afk hugbox gameplay while failing to treat patients at a basic level

[vapid socket]

literally frontier holdover

[weak quail]

Uhm. Safezone removed lol!

Go my chimera horde

Kill

[sturdy garnet]

doesn't take the hugbox brand off it
but yeah

[weak quail]

Well now it’s not the immortal Hugbox where you’re meta protected from all interaction

Now it’s a paper thin station and the chimera are salivating outside your hull

[dense egret]

smh

[sturdy garnet]

if you can't handle loss of assets then just go play frontier

[weak quail]

Is it an incorrect statement?

[dense egret]

no its entirely correct

I just find it sad that people contest the definition

[weak quail]

True.

[dense egret]

or that people can allege this company as a racist hate cult

[dense egret]

which implies its being used to discriminate against real world social issues

[vapid socket]

MD is useless because 90% of deaths happen on expeds (unrecoverable) and the other 10% are factions who dont need or want your help

[austere willow]

Probably gonna go with white/accent. Saint suggested the Cerberus guys

[weak quail]

We’d delete a post like that before it saw the light of day

[vapid socket]

can we have SEAF too

peam aesthetic

[austere willow]

the blue fellas?

[vapid socket]

yeah

[outer thicket]

shiit thats a good one

[austere willow]

Aren't they just helldivers but blue.

[vapid socket]

i still have hope because a majority of us voted Yes on the Slur Update

[sturdy garnet]

you can probably do white with gold/yellow accents like amarr empire from eve

[vapid socket]

no theyre more like PDF from wh40k

[dense egret]

to be fair "alien" xenophobia (not your fellow humans) is currently a semi-reasonable fear of the unknown

[vapid socket]

theyre precious lil guys

protect them at all cost

[weak quail]

Helgans are an example of where speciesism and racism blurs
They’re still human, but they have begun to heavily diverge from the human genome. It’s a good way to write a bit of uncanniness to your setting imo

[dense egret]

or of societies and peoples and mentalities completely unlike you

stellaris moment

in monolith its less like that cause all the species are just fucking blank cookie cutter cutouts but we are working on that

[weak quail]

Please look up a close up of an ant and size it up to a human.

Tell me you’re not shitting your pants and killing it

[vapid socket]

i have a feeling all the people crying racism would never be able to stomach playing xenophobe in stellaris

[dense egret]

I love ants

I'm a fanatic xenophilic

[weak quail]

When they’re rice grain sized

Not when they’re on two legs and the size of me

[vapid socket]

i used to have an ant colony but if i saw a human sized one id scream and run away while throwing shit

[weak quail]

Determined assimilator

[austere willow]

I literally ripped a majority of this lore from killzone. I just changed that the reason the Iscariot splintered from the TSF to be "yeah we got attacked by aliens after the fall of Earth and the TSF couldn't help us, so we don't like aliens cause they've tried to kill us all in the past"

It's just humanity in 40k during Old Night mixed with Killzone

[dense egret]

we must learn to understand eachother to create peace and mutual understanding to mutually uplift our fellow human and ant societies

[vapid socket]

reminding me i need to go finish my devouring swarm run

naughty

[dense egret]

hopefully they aren't hostile and see us as food

bawk

[weak quail]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cursed-spider-cursed

[vapid socket]

coaxed into ICoG

[dense egret]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-cat-skarrsinger-wife-wife-karmelita-gif-13507769028557169095

[austere willow]

The Imperium doesn't hate all xenos because they just do.
It's cause when humanity was in it's darkest hourglass a shit ton of them tried to exterminate us when they had the chance

Same deal here.

I mean if we could get along - sure. But there's an untrust that runs decades deep

[dense egret]

unfortunately ss14 has done its best to forget that its a sci-fi setting with aliens

something like https://discord.com/channels/1329292619834069034/1476621562454085675 might help

[vapid socket]

ironically ICoG is the most anti human human supremacist society ive ever seen in fiction

[austere willow]

Someone might get offended and start equating fiction to reality.
Like Orcs in DnD

[vapid socket]

trillions of child soldiers thrown to die in the galactic core over 20 thousand years of neverending war

[sturdy garnet]

just rename the relevant species to paradise equivalents if they have them

unathi and nian is literally as good as it gets

it's mostly shit like mothperson slimeperson that is not cool

[gray pivot]

Have all the time

[dense egret]

part of the issue behind speciesm is just that it is annoying when you can't do anything about it

because of overly restrictive rules on servers

[vapid socket]

https://youtu.be/Yg2IooEFTp8

[dense egret]

here you can just blow the guy's head off

[vapid socket]

kill em all.

[dense egret]

so it shouldn't be an issue

obviously the rare people being racist under the veil of speciesm are pretty easy to spot and ban

[nimble sphinx]

kill him, strap a bomb collar,cuffs and throw them at halcyon with radar on

[vapid socket]

every server can easily fix it by not being a zomg awsome!!1 hugbox where any sort of conflict is permanently banned and forbidden

[dense egret]

to be fair

its not that conflict isn't allowed

its just that conflict is very moderated

you can only cause conflict if you are an antagonist type shit

or a certain level of conflict or whatever

[vapid socket]

which is stupid and feels incredibly artificial whenever you engage with it

[dense egret]

yeah

that's the issue with designated antagonist roles

[vapid socket]

because the moment someone does something mildly bad you instantly know hes an antag

[dense egret]

its the easy way to introduce conflict but it actually dampens the roleplay element of the game cause of it

[vapid socket]

it would be fine if Everybody had the option to be pieces of shit

and not just 5 of 100 people

but nooooo

cant have that

its lrp

[dense egret]

its sort of why I don't like current ADS and chimera all that much, they're a bit too impactful and dampens natural conflict from occuring if all you can do is worry about the doom-impending antags

not that traditional antags don't have a place tho

roguetown servers did this the best

[vapid socket]

so when somebody calls my character a slur i need to call the admins and take it like a soy chud

😔

[outer thicket]

iscariot vs corsair vs heketaro
hyperwar coming soon

[dense egret]

its not inaccurate to say Monolith is becoming ship-based roguetown

or at least trying to

[vapid socket]

so its becoming.... hullrot...?

[dense egret]

real

[vapid socket]

not a bad thing btw

[dense egret]

I dunno I played hullrot like twice

and it was wasn't the main gamemode

[outer thicket]

avg interaction between iscariot and corsairs in the near future:

"Give me your wallet."
"YOU'RE A FUCKING [Comment Wiped by WizdenGov.]"

[dense egret]

Just because a ship looks vaguely crabbish doesn't mean its the fucking Tarantula

same with monolith lol

[austere willow]

Check out Trauma Station.

[dense egret]

I like games that try and remove the concept of antags entirely when it comes to treating people

if people act antagonistically or assholes, then you can reply accordingly

I don't need to see the guy pull an esword out to arrest him for breaking shit

[outer thicket]

Station gameplay doesn't work with this because engi needs to be manned. Someone needs to do cargo. Etc. You cant have everyone be antag its just a shitshow.

But Monolith? Everyone can be on their own easily without the gameplay loop self destructing

[dense egret]

this also is why playing stealth antag non-antag is stupid effective

just using your antag status without using any obvious antagonist-only tools

people can't comprehend it

[vapid socket]

tbh there are things hullrot did better and things monolith did better and if the two codebases stopped beefing and cooperated we could have two very good ship forks with different settings and varying seriousness

[dense egret]

the idea that the guy who toolboxed someone to death was actually a traitor

lol

when you claim its self defense they probably might even believe you

bonus points if you plant an esword in the guy's pocket

so you not only frame a non-antag as an antag

[vapid socket]

hands first

so it gets the fingerprints

[outer thicket]

yes unless your target is command

[dense egret]

but you also cause an admin shitshow as the ahelp is inevitably called by all parties

Nonantag killed "Hey this guy toolboxed me FOR NO REASON"
Nonantag arrested by sec "SEC FALSE ARREST ME FOR NO REASON"
Sec "Holy shit this guy is so fucking annoying and is beating up security for being arrested"

[dense egret]

yes

framing people is a lost art

instead of investigating a scenario to see who was actually at fault

they see the esword and skip all rational thinking

cause my valids and what not

because conflict and words and social deduction aren't really considered all that much

the gamers focus solely on trying to become unkillable

on all sides

but no one is actually getting good at detecting a lie

to be fair, the people who do these kinds of schemes usually have a lot less impact than a typical desword murderboner

doesn't make it less funny tho

[austere willow]

So anyway, back to my company

[dense egret]

xenophobic slop go brr

[austere willow]

Thanks you for your constructive insight

[dense egret]

as a xenophilic I am diametrically opposed to everything you are

bakw

we will declare war

you will be purged

consensually of course

[austere willow]

I do not consent.
Meatspike this bird.

[dense egret]

squeak

[weak quail]

Yea Nigel already addressed this to us admins with the upcoming slur update to the rules (like retard)

Mirrors of real slurs are bannable. Creative new ones are fine, like bootskin

[night gull]

afterall, I invented the slurs for hydrakin

[dense egret]

hydraslop

[night gull]

the real hurdle is "Why is The Iscariot in Colossus Sector"

[weak quail]

*i glance to okt

Uhm. Good point?

Zealots were here for the tech and ADS around. Hive is here because of all the aliens and the monolith and borers. Mista iscariot why you here?

[dense egret]

slavery

smh

[austere willow]

I'm at that wall rn

I'm open to suggestions

Luckily this ain't a "Company" and it's a religious group

so I'm not limited by "they're here to sell you X"

But also it means I can't take the easy way out of "It's a company they're here because money "

[trail atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/table-mess-lmao-laugh-gif-5126644939264248578

[trail atlas]

superchurches exist

or things like scientology

Maybe they're in Colossus to purge the Monolithic beings because they're non-human

Who knows

[austere willow]

Tbh it would be easier if we just changed "Companies" to "Sub-factions"

Cause yeah, alot of companies ARE companies

but like the RSC aren't a company.

We call them that because that's the word we use for all player made groups, but they're pirates

[nimble sphinx]

true...

Sub-factions could be more fitting as a generic name

[austere willow]

Lore wise I'd say the Iscariot would be here just because they happen to be expanding this way

But that then opens the can of worms to

"Oh you're expansionist? So you're trying to take over the sector like the major factions, but as a minor one"

Heketaro Separatists for instance, are they a company? They're Vox raiders I thought

[weak quail]

https://klipy.com/gifs/4chan-pewdiepie

[nimble sphinx]

Since they are a religious group, they could be looking to convert more people to theyr religion eather willingly or by force

[austere willow]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-congratulations-you-are-rescued-please-gif-17932648

[nimble sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-vs-liquid-metal-gear-solid4-fighting-gif-21269110

[austere willow]

Yeah. But without a concrete goal I fear people will go-
"Convert people? That means kill Xenos!

HOLY WAR"

[nimble sphinx]

yeah..

[torpid seal]

i like the writing of this company, but i feel like i dont trust the community at large to handle specism in a way that isn't directly or in-directly linked to racism. i think its a delicate balance to be maintained, and is really just gonna cause admins and mods more headache then "good RP return".

call me a "pearl clutcher" or whatever, but i think specist companies are a slippery slope that will only make mono get De-hubbed and end up like hullrot indeed.

[weak quail]

Idk

[trail atlas]

no

youre a pearl clutcher

[torpid seal]

for having an opinion and possibly a good point- sure.

again, i like the writing- and i think it would be cool in some settings, but idk if ss14 is that setting for it! i appreciate Okts work on it and fleshing it out some, but i do think there are flaws and inherent problems with specist companys.

[outer thicket]

ss13 has been like this

for a while

plus its open source there's not really any "appropiate setting" because WE make the setting. we decide what goes in the server. there is no issue with this company in my pov apart from the possibility of a guy that is unironically a chud taking interest in it. but they're still going to get banned if they call you a slur bro. this is a roleplay group not a political statement

[trail atlas]

?

[torpid seal]

oh shit my bad- thank you!

[dense egret]

monolith is a different setting to ss14

for once, we already took paradise ss13 as a basis for lore

which... work in progress

also ss14 doesn't have any lore at all as a basis so

yeah

[austere willow]

Me when I write lore that doesn't have everyone being super friendly and nice to eachother

[torpid seal]

just because ss13 is like this, doesn't mean we have to be. and your right, we do make the setting! so i think its our responsibility to not attract as many "chuds" as possible by opening some cans of worms in the first place. we have agency with our fork, but ss14 as a hubbing host might have some guidelines, unspoken or spoken (much like some of our rules) that we should be careful about, otherwise we may fall into a Hullrot state.

[torpid seal]

you can HAVE an antag-like company- again i like the writing! its just a concern over some stuff considering admins arn't always on, we arn't perceived as very friendly to other forks like us, and the fact that this could lead to some bigger issues down the road if this is allowed.

[outer thicket]

i think we dont have to fall into a hullrot state if we just maintain our rules and accountability outside of RP?

[torpid seal]

if we had more active admins (no offense to any admins now- we all have IRL to worry about) and more rules in place to clarify whats good and not good- i would agree more! but as it stands now this just looks like a company that- while cool in concept, will cause more strife, malding, and more then it will good RP.

[outer thicket]

i understand but it is still a roleplay group, its not a matter of moderation

[austere willow]

So... the same argument that could be given for the Heketaro separatists.. and the RSC

[torpid seal]

mhm

[outer thicket]

the thing is both of those factions proved it can be done properly and all we need is player quality lmao?

[austere willow]

"We don't have enough admins and this will cause undue strife and malding than it will good RP" only in this context it's about pirates robbing you

I get the feeling there's some unspoken bias against one and not the other

[torpid seal]

no no. i have some of the same grievances with them as i do this one. honestly i haven't even seen the other factions in game and thought they were on hold- not to mention i was still pretty new to the community when they were put up. pirates have rules and guidelines about what they can do and shouldnt do as well- while we are still having polls and such about "what slurs are allowed" and such.

im not trying to be an ass about any of this- im just trying to raise some possible concerns i- and perhaps others are having quietly about this.

[nimble sphinx]

this faction could very mutch work but its mostly depended on player quality

[austere willow]

So... every minor faction

[nimble sphinx]

yeah...

[austere willow]

You see the point I'm getting at tho right

Ain't nobody bat an eye when we had Vox supremacist pirates get posted

But NOW

🤔

[nimble sphinx]

i see the point even with my sleep deprived brain

hekerato separatists are/can be specieist to other races

[austere willow]

I think it's a very hard Are

[nimble sphinx]

yea

[torpid seal]

again- i have the same issue with the separatists. i was just still new and a bit nervous to speak my points cause as it is now- its alot vs just me lol.

not to mention that- i haven't even seen them in game- so i don't have anything to say about their player quality.

just off of what their company claims to be.

[austere willow]

they're Vox who kill people who aren't Vox

[nimble sphinx]

i didnt see hekarato as well but RSC is usually active every day

[torpid seal]

correct- and im not a big fan of companys like that due to the above statements.

it has to be done very delicately imo, and from what i have seen when i play, and from the discord, i dont think the player quality can acomplish this without it getting really gross or icky.

i think the folks here want what we all want- a cool space game to immerse ourselves into, have fun and shoot stuff, and otherwise relax! and its my opinion that issues will only grow the more and more "specist" the community gets.

and honestly, General chat is not making me feel any better about it too.

[dense egret]

It wasnt really an issue in ss13

Like I get what you mean

And I understand that there are preferences for different environments

But like

Roleplaying this isn't going to kill anyone

If you wanted to start shit in game via roleplay theres a million ways to do it already and this is just one more way

Just dont take it personally

[outer thicket]

Another point i want to make. the iscariot will have to follow escalation rules like anyone else. They're not gonna KOS anyone unless you shoot them first.

[dense egret]

No one is telling you not to express your opinions?

Or that they are wrong?

[torpid seal]

i never said anyone was, just stating why i wasnt active in the discussion of other companies like this.

[dense egret]

If it turns into a speciest disaster we can walk this company back

Although its extremely important to note that

How exactly the Iscariot is speciesist is

Undecided

The company isnt even done

So I wouldn't be too concerned about it until Oktober is finished and then we can talk specifics

[torpid seal]

but is it valid escalation to kill people just because they play a specific species? i dont think thats really... fair to the other person behind the screen who decided to play a species cause it looked cool to them.

[dense egret]

Its not escalation, its roleplay reasoning

Escalation still needs to occur in game

[torpid seal]

i agree! and your right, its not quite talked about how it details treating the other species. which i think goes back into that it has to be handled carefully.

[dense egret]

You can try to kill people.

Starting conflict isnt a bad thing

[torpid seal]

never said it was

[dense egret]

No assumptions you win the conflict

[austere willow]

Im still currently trying to come up with a concrete reason for them being in the sector now without them trying to start shit with major powers or be USSP 2 "let's all be friends except the nonhuman" edition

[dense egret]

I personally like the idea of secret cult type deal

[austere willow]

Because contrary to belief. I am in fact trying to write this well

[dense egret]

Trying to go on the down low

Thats how I'd write a cult company

Maybe add some kidnapping and indoctrination

Enslaving the lesser aliens?

[austere willow]

If they're a splinter from old earth and a military power in their own right, they're not a very strong one. And I don't want them to try and start fights with the TSF/PDV. Aside from some,y'know larp.

[dense egret]

Ideally hooks for players of the company to latch onto and roleplay

[torpid seal]

again- i think your writing is good! and i think on paper it sounds cool for a darker sci-fi universe, i just dont trust the comunity as a whole to do it as carefuly as its written

[austere willow]

Treading a line with the xenophobes

[dense egret]

I do think having roleplay reason to flat out murder all aliens in sight is a bit murderhobo

[austere willow]

One side they're too much, other side, they're too little and they don't really have an identity

[dense egret]

Its not about trusting the community

[austere willow]

that's the too much

[dense egret]

We trust the community to do exactly the sorts of things they'll do with whats written

[austere willow]

"ZoB species edition"

[outer thicket]

Rules of escalation explain that Reasonable demands need to be made and then denied for any escalation to begin. So no you wont be murked for being nunhuman, but maybe robbed.

[dense egret]

ZoB actually could fit into current although they'd basically just be religious pirates

[austere willow]

PREPARE TO BE BOARDED IF I SEE SOMETHING WITH SCALES OR FUR IT'S GONNA DIE

[dense egret]

Except they kill clankers

I like the idea of encouraging greater roleplay

[torpid seal]

i think i disagree there. i think that writing companies like this involves alot of community trust and expectations. lol

[dense egret]

The community will do what the community does

This is not really something the writer should worry about too much

Thats more an issue for the reviewer

[torpid seal]

i mean- if you want it accepted you want to align the same general values as the reviewer, no?

[dense egret]

And worrying about the few bad apples of the community ruining the fun for the rest

Is not a big deal

There will always be bad apples

If you try to babyproof everything

You become frontier

Lol

[torpid seal]

i agree. but i fear that with companies like this, there are more bad apples then there are ripe and RP filled juicy apples.

thats my concern

[dense egret]

Or more detailed, you remove a bunch of shit because potential for abuse by bad actors which overall makes the game worse

[dense egret]

That implies the general population can somehow become corrupted by the existing of a company you can choose thats speciest

I dont really understand the argument

[covert fern]

i got directed here so i say something

write chud racists and people play chud racists. dont give them offensive ground to stand on (eg; "we gas xenos and wear peaked caps with skulls on them,") and dont try to morally justify them and even the dumbest players will play along with it. write galactic empire, not wolfenstein and you will see way less issues with it, sort of like how syndies exist elsewhere and don't magically conjure chuds despite being ontologically evil

[torpid seal]

i dont think its the company corrupting anything. more so that there are already problems that might need fixing before anything works.

[covert fern]

thats all the advice I can offer @austere willow

[dense egret]

By definition syndies arent evil and Nanotrasen isnt good

Its merely corporate warfare

But yes

[covert fern]

Ok

[austere willow]

I haven't written them that way though. I'm getting complaints just for existing in this capacity

[dense egret]

Yes

You haven't even written anything yet about speciesm

[covert fern]

Well "humans first" + helghast association will naturally be the biggest red flags in spess history to be honest

[torpid seal]

Kyres is wording this much better then i ever could have lmfao

[dense egret]

Helghast?

Did I miss something

[covert fern]

You have to be careful here more than anything because literally everywhere before mono has already done the schtick of "generic space empire that is humans first. Oh no, it inadvertently attracted all the racist chuds! What ever shall we do? Now our community is full of white nationalists with bold names spamming phonk edits of History Channel war footage!"

[austere willow]

Red missed reading between the lines

[covert fern]

And it can happen to you too

tl;dr you're writing what you want to see players use as their foundation

thats the most i can add

[austere willow]

Why is this black and white footage blasting caramel dansen

[dense egret]

When were helghast mentioned

[covert fern]

Killzone

anyway

[dense egret]

Thats not apart of the main lore doc I read

[torpid seal]

and considering general is laughing over N-word adjacent words, and making "jewish people money" jokes i dont really trust the comunity at large to not go down this way.

[dense egret]

You've read it yes?

[covert fern]

Naye just going off of the art refs i was sent

[dense egret]

You should at least read it first

Bruh

[covert fern]

I read a shorter blurb off of the doc

Wait holy shit you're still a maintainer????

[austere willow]

I quite literally quoted Scolar Visari word for word in this post from the opening of Killzone 2

[dense egret]

I've never played killzone

[austere willow]

You should, it's very good.

[torpid seal]

it is very good, and it does its lore very carefully imo.

[dense egret]

Id like some citations for this

Also you should probably report those too

As I'm pretty sure we dont really tolerate those

[torpid seal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/1329292619834069034/1329352836433313823/1476679550430871737

https://discordapp.com/channels/1329292619834069034/1329352836433313823/1476679606844133581

o7

[dense egret]

The words niggard and niggardly are etymologically unrelated to the highly offensive and inflammatory racial slur euphemistically referred to as the N-word, despite the words' visual and auditory resemblance to it. Because of that resemblance, however, both niggard and niggardly are often taken to be offensive.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/niggardly

[torpid seal]

i wonder why they are taken to be offensive... hmm.

[dense egret]

And second

[torpid seal]

if only there were other words that could be said besides that.

[dense egret]

Bro you are just pointing out stupid shit in general chat

And claiming they are being racist

That's not very

[torpid seal]

didnt say that. i said thats why i dont trust the community at large.

[dense egret]

You know what

Fajr

[torpid seal]

o7

[dense egret]

You struggle to trust people to not abuse things

I'm not going to contest you on that

[torpid seal]

i feel like its important to indeed not trust people not to abuse things

[dense egret]

Its a waste of my time

There's a level of caution sure

[torpid seal]

sorry you feel that way, but i am doing my best to remain respectful and hear you out too.

[dense egret]

But as I've said either you are racist or you are not racist and monolith is not going to change that

[dense egret]

I'm not trying to be rude, but trying to get people to have faith in a community is not going to happen by words alone

Or in general

[torpid seal]

no thats not rude at all! your good. and i really do agree that it wont. its up to admins and the staff to help guide the community along, and i think i have seen some effort of doing so. i just think the community needs... more time i guess?

im no staff, im just a lowly player who has some opinions that i prefer to make heard rather then just- sit back ig.

i also think its important to note- that i dont hate or dislike anyone in this thread or anything- i just have some genuine concerns!

[austere willow]

This is real cool and all that you guys had this understanding.
But I still gotta try and come up with a conclusion to the writing for this minor faction in this post

[torpid seal]

i believe in you! :>

[tranquil flame]

oktober no people will call you racist

i scrolled up and i was RIGHT

[neat vessel]

keep going oktober, dont let the haters slow you down

[austere willow]

idiots who don't read will call me racist*

S h o c k I n g

I'm open to suggestions I'm hitting a creative slump

[dense egret]

I thought you were reacist though

you mean you aren't? no way

I feel so offended

[austere willow]

No I'm Brazilian

[dense egret]

ah fair

[vapid socket]

rot wasnt dehubbed because of specieism lol

[torpid seal]

reguardless my points still stand. 🤷‍♂️

[vapid socket]

i wouldnt say so honestly, there is nothing inherently wrong with xenophobia in a sci fi setting with multiple alien races, and people blatantly using it as an outlet for irl racism would just be taken out back

we already have religious conflict in the game

as well as organic-mechanical conflict

also, nobody spoke out against #1411039727578124288 in this way despite it also being a xenophobic group

which just seems to suggest its only wrong when non humans are being discriminated against by humans

but if its other xenos its fine

[torpid seal]

the points were already stated on why it gonna be a problem, and we talked about Heketaro here too. Kyres said stuff that pretty much summed it all up if you read up.

[vapid socket]

perhaps they were forced out of their own space by a bioweapon?

[sweet radish]

What in the name of Moloch did I just read.

WHAAAAT.

[sweet radish]

Kind of shocking how people hear something months ago and think a server never changed from that point into the present so it's used as a constant metric and boogeyman that every other server should avoid being similar to in even the slightest way

There's a clear line between real racism and IC xenophobic remarks 🥹 you don't need to be a genius to tell them apart nor report it and move along

[austere willow]

Welp speciesism is now codified into the rules

My detractors now have no legs to stand on

[torpid seal]

im very glad the rules got clarified and such! i still have some worries reguarding the PQ of it- but thats more of a wait and see kinda thing!

o7

[haughty spade]

Blow up all alien freaks.

[tranquil sparrow]

yeah i think we need to reconsider ADS and chims

[vast marsh]

https://youtu.be/O1CQ7Vwz8Eo?si=exbHw_6RYtHnZB_3
SOL! SOL! SOL! SOL!

[vapid socket]

i wouldnt say the reason we have little natural conflict is ADS and chimeras

its because the playerbase is just allergic to conflict

[dense steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-vince-mc-mahon-entrance-entry-strut-gif-4685176

joined for the Putus Templar faction

[austere willow]

I haven't decided on anything concrete but I'm leaning towards the reason for the Iscariot being in the sector is that conflict in their home is pushing them this way

so their reason for being here and your goal as an Iscariot is to try and establish good relations/get a foothold so you can defend your home

Displaced by conflict you must find your way in this new sector.

Idk.

[tranquil sparrow]

say they don't like nonhumans getting their hands on the monolith

[austere willow]

Why would they care? Theyre militant isolationists

Oh right. Xenos having control of the weird shit in the Monolith would be bad

But then it just becomes minor faction vs everyone

[outer thicket]

Ok i do like the idea of them having a home somewhere far cuz they wanted to isolate themselves then being forced into colossus

Due to an issue or another

[tranquil sparrow]

around monolithic fragments

where you're already allowed to loot competition frag

justify them not picking fights by saying they'd die out if they did

[tranquil sparrow]

so they lorewise don't just randomly pull up to alien crews

[austere willow]

strangers in a strange land

[outer thicket]

MONOLITUUUUU

[tranquil sparrow]

but if they do meet you for some reason and you're an alien you might be fragged

aliens can just choose to avoid ships of the faction

[outer thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/stalker-maytech-monolith-prayer-gif-16869366242639767810

[tranquil sparrow]

therefore i think it's fine

though we will get people wanting to larp reckless zealots

like with zob

or stealth sabo

[austere willow]

There are varying degrees of fundamentalists and extremists in every group

[tranquil sparrow]

this probably needs to be given an option to deal with aliens that isn't frag

[austere willow]

the point is to have it not written in a way like ZoB was where it was ALL murder

[dense egret]

https://discord.com/channels/1329292619834069034/1475648003824947332

:>

[tranquil sparrow]

see #maintainer-chat

[dense egret]

Those are some of my ideas anyay

[tranquil sparrow]

i said the same things real

[dense egret]

Yw

[weak quail]

The actual enforcers don’t care much for speciesism as long as it isn’t just literally paper thin real world racism

[vapid socket]

vve need zhis merged.... saar.... @austere willow

[austere willow]

Hm?

Oh.

[dense egret]

bro stop

[vapid socket]

...?

[dense egret]

don't ping the owner of the company

over whether its merged

in fact don't ping maints either about it

[vapid socket]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[weak quail]

The people cry out for it

[austere willow]

Yeah well according to Nigel it needs more work, and according to our lovely maints team it needs a design document to be accepted

[trail atlas]

oy vey... ze oktober doesnt include any rituals ,, cult organization ,,, then le complains....

[austere willow]

Oy vey. I am to be singled out amongst all companies 🥲

[trail atlas]

because i dont care about the other companies

https://klipy.com/gifs/angry-birds-soy

[austere willow]

Aww you do care 🥹

Tbh I'm not saying it doesn't need more work and to merge now. I'm just at a brick wall for more writing

Plus it seems very biased that I have to come up with a doc for this when other companies don't for theirs

[vapid socket]

i think nigel just wants you to do it so he can say that the company had a lot of work put into it and speedmerge it

trust

he's playing the long game

[austere willow]

I'm at a Stonewall for writing

[vapid socket]

i think a good place to start would be what exactly they do with technology that's alien in origin, given their backstory seems to imply they don't have a great relationship with it, do they destroy it? do they pull it apart and see what makes it tick to create a proper, human version of it? do they just ignore it and pretend it doesnt exist?

[dense egret]

more of a design plan

just what you are going to do with the company

I dunnfo

[austere willow]

The Iscariot are militant isolationists, their history having been one of conflict and strife. They believe mankind to be the one and only true path forward for the galaxy at large, while this means they will clash at times with xenos, they are not in the "commit genocide on them on sight" camp, though if it comes down to it they would have no qualms about it should their leader, their Autarch, say it should be done for their collective good.

The figurhead of the Iscariot centers on the figurehead of Aleksander Bishop, their original founder of the Iscariot in their exodus from the Sol system. He became a martyr when he was slain in the war that raged after their upheaval from their new home.

[dense egret]

Could you give a typical Iscariot protocol upon encountering an abhuman? Or what tends to happen?

@austere willow

Or otherwise what your goals for how people of this faction interact with abhumans

[austere willow]

Abhumans or Xenos.

[nimble sphinx]

Suggestion: they get turned into fine meal ingredients

[dense egret]

the ones that aren't humans

but not xenomorphs

[austere willow]

Abhumans fall into the same category as humanity according to Iscariot doctrine

[dense egret]

ah

then xenos then

[austere willow]

Humans/Harpies/Dwarves/Oni are considered humans and abhumans respectively and are all treated as equals.

Other species are just blanket treated as xenos.
Treatment of said xenos depends on how radical the Iscariot is. Typically they would be treated with distrust but not outright hostility. Imagine if you lived in a place where you previously got genocided on a mass scale and now you're not too keen to be best friends off the rip

[dense egret]

reasonable, but what about more radical Iscariot?

I'm not going to apply or deny this company because I just don't do that btw

I'm just curious about how being apart of this company would affect interactions with non-humans

[austere willow]

Radicals would probably be more openly hostile.
But official doctrine is one of isolation, not outright hostility.
"We wanna be left alone and it's hard to do that when people are trying to genocide us in retaliation"

(This is my attempt to stop people from using this as YO LET'S RACIALLY CLEANSE THE SECTOR)

[dense egret]

ye

I'm fine with arguments and hostility roleplay ending in fights

that's good I think

isolationism is interesting too

[austere willow]

Isolationists that have been forced into this sector to be exact

The larp potential is great

"I don't wanna be here, I don't like it here, I'd rather be back at home where we're working to better humanity- instead we're in this nightmare place"

[next shale]

Type shit

[magic obsidian]

pick up that can ahhhh armors

love it

[next shale]

Give them no alien sprite so only humans can wear them

[austere willow]

"This doesn't seem to fit your species"

[hollow tinsel]

it has a loreful excuse behind it

ill take it

[dense egret]

bawk

[native bramble]

Approved

[austere willow]

neat

I got the suit sprites too

[outer thicket]

RSC love diversity!

RSC vs Iscariot vs Heketaro hyperwar will be the peak of monolith

[austere willow]

Bro we don't have a problem with you, we're isolationists- we aren't gonna start a hyperwar with ya over nothing 😭

[neat vessel]

Fight fight fight

[nimble sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-vs-liquid-metal-gear-solid4-fighting-gif-21269110

[hollow tinsel]

you have wealth that means you're lootable

[austere willow]

where does it say we have a wealth 😭

[hollow tinsel]

not the point, you're lootable because you have stuff

[outer thicket]

maybe something can be negotiated if you want to be exempt from piracy

[austere willow]

Breaking news: Redsail Corsairs seen collaborating with known speciesist group 👀

[outer thicket]

RSC only really cares about themselves

so collaborating with speciesist groups is not off the table if it benefits them

[slim ether]

what if the separatists decide to decap every human they see ?

[austere willow]

Sounds like the kind of behavior we expect from Xenos

The Separatists are all Vox

[slim ether]

okay genuine question, how does the iscariot see the monolith

and ads

and chimera

[austere willow]

Weird chaotic anomalous zone. Very dangerous, don't want to be here. No choice in the matter, we're stuck here.

Xenos Silicons, probably dangerous, should get rid of them

Biological weapons are abhorrent. The risk of them getting loose and infecting our own people is too big a chance to take

[slim ether]

what about major factions ? i’d wager they consider tsf as decadent because they come from sol and accept xebos

[austere willow]

Please see further up the chain

/ the pins

Cause I mentioned their opinions on the factions

[slim ether]

i am illiterate

[austere willow]

I know.

[outer thicket]

@dense wasp did you ever see this faction?

think you'd like them

[austere willow]

fffuuuuuck I need to find a logo

And I don't wanna use AI

[slim ether]

good

i can doodle some

ngl

tomorrow

[outer thicket]

look at starsector concept art logos

trust me bro

[silk cove]

RED SAIL CAP'N! WE'RE UNDERATTACK!!