Port Ion damage from DeltaV

[noble swan]

Instead of borgs and IPCs having their batteries instantly drained by any EMP no matter how strong or weak (basically one-shotting them) port the EMP damage type. It's their own version of suffocation damage that they're weak to (but it's not a proverbial one-shot unless it's like an emp ship gun).
https://github.com/DeltaV-Station/Delta-v/pull/4255#pullrequestreview-3147401604

Port Ion damage from DeltaV

You could even make funny laser guns or bullets that specifically hurt silicons

[heady lynx]

Well with this is there any reason to have EMP grenades?

I mean normal grenades just already one shot and this isn't disabling them non-lethally because it's damage so it's just a normal grenade which is just bloat yes?

[noble swan]

EMP grenades still disable energy based weapons, cybernetic limbs, and certain pieces of equipment. Depending on their kit this would disarm an IPC or a silicon and make them easier to detain nonlethally. Compared to a regular grenade an EMP grenade would put them into an easier to recover state since ion damage heals itself over time the same way suffocation damage does.

It'd be considered less-lethal rather than non-lethal

But at the same time, because it doesn't drain the IPC's battery with this change, they'd still be able to fight back if they had other means than energy weapons or if their assailant intended on killing them

[heady lynx]

What would even be the purpose of the grenade if it doesn't even one shot infantry like every other grenade does

And honestly what's the purpose of non-lethally killing people for factions
Security can't even access EMP grenades

[noble swan]

The purpose would be disarming them or trying to take them alive.
The purpose for a non-lethal grenade is for bounty hunting or piracy. Grenades aren't the only source of EMPs. You can also make them with implants (which mercs can find), chemical reactions (anyone can do), or artifacts (which are mostly accidental)

EMP grenades are also used in faction combat already for disarming or stalling enemies, this change wouldn't affect their current usage in those situations

[heady lynx]

As you said there will be energy weapons that deal ion damage and as you said it's supposed to a be less lethal option

If you can shoot through a window then why would you cook a grenade in front of a IPC with a ballistic gun
A grenade is supposed to be overkill

But if a gun can compete having a ttk similar to a grenade which it should because this is monolith with other gun ttks being ridiculous

[noble swan]

That was more of a hypothetical
Adding an ion damage type would allow it to be used for all kinds of weapons. Melee weapons, ammo for ballistic weapons, energy weapons, etc. It'd be more flexibility in killing silicon enemies specifically

Like how incen ammo is good for chimeras or AP is good against the TSF

[heady lynx]

Well I don't see how this justifies EMP grenades

Grenades are supposed to be a complete counter for infantry someone in a juggernaut suit just throw a grenade

But if an IPC is in a jugg suit why would you use the grenade just shoot them
Unless armor sets will get ion resistance?

[noble swan]

That could also work if the ion damage type is added, an ion damage resistance for certain armours

Again it'd just add more flexibility on how emps are used and countered rather than how they are currently

[heady lynx]

I mean ion resistance sounds nice I suppose but I don't know if I think more resistances are good?

[noble swan]

It doesn't hurt
If it's too much it could be tied to a currently existing resistance like shock or radiation

[heady lynx]

As long as it isn't limiting I suppose for IPC players?
It is kind of a cool idea for IPC players to be forced into using normal suits over ground combat armor but it might be too limiting

Hmmmm

[noble swan]

It's risk and reward at that rate

And plus, not getting knocked out immediately by a grenade is much less limiting

[heady lynx]

Okay me being genuine I hate grenades being Mass producible they're just not fun.

[noble swan]

True

[heady lynx]

I actually really like this but I don't know if it's actually healthy for the game
Because the whole point of ipcs is kind of their space immunity and heavily discouraging non-suit armor sounds...

Hmm

[noble swan]

I mean that risk/reward between hardsuits and regular armour already exists

This just adds to it

[heady lynx]

I already know of the risk versus reward
What I'm saying is this species already suffers downsides such as EMP

So if their one upside it's just ignoring EMP if they use suits which everyone else does
And not using ground combat armor (because why would that have ion resistance)

And it defeats the point of the species gimmick by making them go back on it

[noble swan]

It doesn't remove the gimmick, they can't ignore EMPs, it would just be softened from instant death to being vulnerable to a new damage type

And if ion weapons or ammo are added it could make the gimmick more threatening

[heady lynx]

Well
I suppose we'll see when it's added
And how it's implemented
Maybe I'll see it isn't so terrible

[meager prism]

ipc removal soon 🙏