#Hydrakin (Race concept)

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tame meteor
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his main is human yes

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and is surprised

frank hamlet
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I play an IPC.

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by furries

tame meteor
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even WORSE

frank hamlet
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I don't see how this is an argument as to why this race should be added to the game other than you want to satiate some fantasy/desire that doesn't fit any particular narrative.

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BRUH??

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literally the only one seeing this as a desire or fantasy is you

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if youre unwashed ass cant see that not everything furry is meant to be sexual then i think you need to ditch the body pillows and leave your moms basement

frank hamlet
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Your*

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youre literally just arguing cause a species doesnt look human enough in a furry game made by furries

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and using buzz words to make yourself sound smart

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i get a feeling youre a sweaty little discord mod whos upset that people have ideas better then yours so instead of adding onto it or even makign something yourself you go and hate on it

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this is a clear sign you have no life and need to touch grass

tame meteor
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furry hate boner

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theres another guy on goobstation who really despises the idea and its funny to talk about it

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hes probably got boner just from the fact we're giving him more attention then his parents ever have

frank hamlet
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I'm just a dude who plays videogames man. I don't complain about the Protogens because they "aren't human enough". I just don't think this makes sense. The server is laggy enough as it is imo, and I don't understand how adding more unrefined projects are going to be beneficial to anyone.

If you want to insult me, at least get your English grammar correct my slime. Read a book that isn't pictures of drawn animals. Maybe you're 5 years old mentally, but you got to acknowledge your age at some point..

tame meteor
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both sides are in a negative light

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im meeting you on your level

tame meteor
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the existence of hydrakin is justified by their lore and mechanics

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they look nonhuman and that makes them unique as well

frank hamlet
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Their lore is they live on an ice planet that was being researched by Ulman Industries, and then they make space ships out of materials that just so happen to match exactly as required by Ulmans Ship Designs. It insists upon itself.

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and its reasonable lore

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there is LITERALLY

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a MONOLITH

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that ALLOWS
FTL TRAVEL

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and you nit pick the ice planet with decent resources?

tame meteor
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the funny part is the materials used arent even stated

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its up to interpretation, but it can be assumed ice replicas were made

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i feel liek hes grasping for straws to hate on smth even vaguely furry

fallow jolt
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yes

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and yeah

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ill admit

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i was being a bit rude

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had a shit day

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mb gng

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but at the same time

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ACTUALLY shut the f up unless u got smth reasonable

frank hamlet
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I just find the whole furry trope to be completely monotonous. It's uninspired and not remotely alien.

I don't care for your apology either, really, if you feel the need to take out your anger on internet strangers who disagree with something that you like, then maybe it's you who needs to touch grass?

I just don't think that any of this is new, interesting, or going to provide anything meaningful to the whole idea that I see Monolith being.

tame meteor
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its... an alien??

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tame meteor
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the sprite is literally based off a vox, which in itself is a distinct alien race

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there are PLENTY of cool and well done furry species

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and yeah

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it is literally

tame meteor
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ive stated several times before as well

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avox

tame meteor
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they have no distinguishable facial features beyond the face markings

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or is it just cause its not human enough u wanna hate on it?

tame meteor
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which do not constitute a proper face

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once again

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bros literally just grasping for straws

crude kayak
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me when i play a game full of fictitious things and my biggest gripe is a fictional species

tame meteor
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he plays a fictional species as well

crude kayak
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this affects you and only you, if you don't want it then just don't play it, there are many people who do

tame meteor
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his argument is baseless

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once again sorry for ebing rude guys

dusky gust
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okay but this is a fictional universe in a video game

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hydrakin are a lot more believable than a lot of our lore

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please stop shitstirring

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mfw even the head maint agrees

dusky gust
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this argument has gone on for too long sorry

tame meteor
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just defuse the situation

frank hamlet
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It's been talked about for less than 20 minutes. And the only things that I have heard people say are personal insults instead of actual points.

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tame meteor
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some people shit on race ideas that look too furry for them because they get a furry hate boner

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i see this enough on goob

frank hamlet
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Your points haven't really explained anything as to why this should exist, other than you like it and that you think "Ice bird that self immolates is great because they copied Ulman Industries and now fly in metal ships".

I explained why the lore is basic and doesn't make sense, and I also explained that the "content" is just a constant death mechanic. It's not content, it's nuisance disguised as a gameplay mechanic.

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their lore

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is literally

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created drones

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that is it

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that is as basic as it gets

dusky gust
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the points that are valid are that

  • its a cool species with a neat mechanic
  • hate to say it but its not nearly as much of a furry species compared to some others (cough felinid tajaran vulpkanin protogen)
  • suggest better lore if its such a big problem (it isn't, especially compared to the rest of our "lore")
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again, please stop shitstirring

frank hamlet
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Considering you were behind this project before you became head-maintainer, I already know that you are biased in support of this.

Instead of allowing this to be the base-line entry-point for making a new race in a game that I don't even think you are the owner of, why not improve the stuff that already exists?

Again, it's just adding needless "content" for the sake of adding it.

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hes literally just saying

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stop fucking aruging

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and hes right

dusky gust
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this is getting more and more heated

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Yes, I like hydrakin - because its a departure from the even more basic, unimpactful races in terms of mechanics (looking at you, felinid/protogen), because visually its cool, and because similar races have been fan favorites (vox)

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Regardless of my personal view, though, I will not tolerate non-constructive arguments like this. This seems to have been morphing into a slugfest between two parties, and one that I wish to put a stop to - Not because one side is right or wrong, but because of the fact that there is only escalation and no constructive criticism or reperations

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I'm sorry if this content (which hasn't even been implemented yet) is so bad as to warrant your arguing, but please, for the last time, stop shitstirring

frank hamlet
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Again, I don't see this is being a particularly robust argument as to why the race should be added. Just because other races are lack-luster doesn't mean that this one should get a pass.

How about develop the things that are already implemented to make them less mediocre, instead of allowing mediocrity to be the standard?

I haven't really insulted anyone, and I'm just talking about the topic as this is a game that I enjoy playing, and as a player, I would think that I have the opportunity to comment on posts about new content that gets added?

Why am I being insulted by community members, and also being told by the Head-Maintainer that I'm to stop discussing a topic posted in the suggestions section?

dusky gust
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Both sides should stop with the insults

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That includes @sick badge and @tame meteor

tame meteor
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i havent been attacking, moreso neutral

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yeah its mostly been me

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and for the third time

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i apologies

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i got a bit too rude

dusky gust
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After further review of the situation, my perspective is that Boltamist has been relatively collected and constructive, yet has been insulted lots by @sick badge for insulting their opinion

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Is this correct?

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not for insulting my opinion

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for being rude for no reason about it being a furry species

dusky gust
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Both parties have made rude comments (particularly Birch). In the future, please remember to keep the conversation constructive. That includes offering insight into potential improvements, and refraining from verbally assaulting those who have problems with content

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i would if his issues were reasonable, hes literally just been ignoring any proper constructive critisim this whole time and calling it all furry bloat

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even ask flyssa

dusky gust
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I have made my statement

frank hamlet
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My points have remained the same since the start.

  1. I don't think that the mechanics constitute anything particularly new or interesting - I don't see a death timer being a fun piece of content to add to a game. This isn't like the Vox who has to breath different air, as this is something that is readily available and is a short-term problem, and the up-side is that they have small amounts of poison regeneration.

  2. I don't see the design to be particularly inspired either. There are so many ways to design an alien species that isn't the same re-done chicken/bird/whatever-with-fur. Look at Star Wars, or Star Trek or literally any Sci-Fi art for inspiration at this point. I just think it's played out and comes with bad connotations, which I think can hinder player-growth.

  3. I think that the lore is pretty bare-bones too. I liked the idea of one of the already-estabilished corporations came buy to this new planet, researched it, and left some fragments of technology behind etc, but I don't see how an ice-planet with birds that need to self regulate their heat and don't make use of technology would find any purpose in going to space.

The general gist is, I don't think that mediocrity in other aspects of the game should beget more mediocrity. I simply disagree with the idea that this should be added to the game and take priority over other things such as a Lore Manifest for the Monolith Sector, or refinement to current mechanics.

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  1. it shows you when youre about to get too hot
  2. it is literally the most unique design for a species in this game
  3. once again, you play IPC that is literally just a manufactured robot
spare zephyr
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Also it has vox related metabolism, meaning it just regens larger amount of health like vox to make up for the constant threat of damage in minor amounts and wasting meds n such.

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But mechanically its the only advanced one we have to look at currently. I would like to see more niche designs relating to this one. Something with peculiar buffs like surviving specific environments like this one does.

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It can survive any superheated environment by entering a stasis like sleep to prevent overheating. It cannot wake up or it dies. It is very strange and not needed as often as one would think but its a cool concept. Certainly more interesting than a person with cat ears I would argue.

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I also agree with the lore being somewhat disconnected.

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It could be ALOT better. It feels rushed and has nothing to do with their background or really explains why they went to space beyond "we found a super society and followed it"

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tame meteor
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i could definetely try to dedicate to fleshing their lore out more before their full implementation

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i just wanted to list how they got into the sector in the first place

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uh

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i dont think

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it removed me

sullen vortex
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ngl, "Self-heating chicken nugget that lives on ice planet and goes to space" 100% fits the wacky aesthetic and non-sensical environment of ss14, where we have fucking wizards.

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ill remove myslef doe

sullen vortex
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op

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players can just join back to threads if they're removed from them by the looks of it, discord is an amazing platform godo

spare zephyr
sullen vortex
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whos UI?

spare zephyr
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i didnt personally like the loose reason for them to exist just cuz Oktober wanted to promote UI 🙏
-# i respect the hustle

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sullen vortex
spare zephyr
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sry

tame meteor
sullen vortex
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thx

tame meteor
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so a more detailed lore dump will come

spare zephyr
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its the fact that it doesnt do the species any justice

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like

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at all.

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and makes 0 sense

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why would a heat sink species be on an ice planet

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why would ullman be on said ice planet

tame meteor
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one of the characteristics of ullman industries is unethical medical experimentation

spare zephyr
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why would the natives manage to invent space travel

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instantly

tame meteor
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i can use that to make up horrifying experiments

spare zephyr
sullen vortex
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see if we pulled the classic move of making all companies "shady" and "vague" or "unknown" so that we dont have to worldbuild, this issue wouldnt exist.

tame meteor
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and UI isnt exactly ethical either

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they're interdyne in another flavor

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so ill make them do behind the scenes horrible experimentation

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hydrakin are cheap labor, but also a well of genetic advantages to be ripped out and used for their own applications

sullen vortex
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scav prototype:

dusky gust
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uh oh he’s back

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@pastel pagoda if they keep fighting can you time them out for me

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speaking of we need to add the scav prototype race at somepoint when moffie makes it

dusky gust
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I sleepy

spare zephyr
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also considering they can be immune to heat by just going to sleep theres alot of potential for their native nature to create folklore and unique backstories.

dusky gust
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but its so peeeak

sullen vortex
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hells, the tail isnt even considered a body part

pastel pagoda
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they have digging claws

tame meteor
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scav prototype race is just genetic experiment

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that is true but

tame meteor
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human and animal dna mix

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they silly

spare zephyr
tame meteor
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its the same as vulp

spare zephyr
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its not the best personally

tame meteor
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instead lets give vulps markings to look like scav prototype

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frank hamlet
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I don't even think that the issue is with the lore for me. I don't care if the lore is half baked, because people can append that without making major changes to the server itself.

I think that following the same low-effort visual tropes is something that is synonymous with many servers, and I personally would enjoy it if Monolith took a hold of the direction it wanted to go and implemented things around that.

It's like the difference between building Lego from an instruction manual, and building something random from a box of miscellaneous pieces - sure, you can make something cool out of the misc pieces, but is it going to be particularly meaningful or interesting? Probably not.

I like the ambition of the creator of this project, and appreciate the attempt to make some interesting mechanics - much to many different people interpreting it as the opposite - I just think that it could do with some major improvements before it gets added to the server.

Perhaps this is more a gripe with the lack of overall direction of Monolith. godo

sullen vortex
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I eat my legos instead of building things out of them

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thats all

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spare zephyr
tame meteor
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just to make it more fleshed out

spare zephyr
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i just need you to give me a base of what you want it to turn out like if so

tame meteor
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well their uplifting should stay the same

sullen vortex
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tho, pls pls pls dont tell me "omg the lore is shit" wont like, delay the development of the actual species mechanics or something, since thats bleak instead of peak.

tame meteor
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U.I. realizes the value of their adaptations and then it descends into whatever horrific experimentations they do to make the most out of it and adapt into themselves

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since obviously omni atmos breathing is really good to have (you cant be slept, you benefit from toxins etc)

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and their extreme cold adapted bodies would be great for study

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they are as expendable as cannon fodder

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spare zephyr
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i was under the impression they have no cold res so it made no sense for them ot be on an ice planet

pastel pagoda
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Bruh

spare zephyr
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theyd still be forced to retain normal body heat

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is the issue

pastel pagoda
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The whole point of their race is that they're too adapted

tame meteor
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they live on an ice planet so cold, atmos gasses that wouldnt be liquid, are liquid

pastel pagoda
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They live on a frozen shithole that's so damn cold they have to be basically living heaters to survive

spare zephyr
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i seee

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that clears it up

pastel pagoda
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And when they leave the planet they're so adapted for that frozen homeworld that other environs are too hot, by just being normal

spare zephyr
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oohhhh

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ok

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steamhappy 👍

pastel pagoda
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Also they whole issue the other guy had with them about "Why did they make ships out of rocks"

spare zephyr
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that part made sense

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to me

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its a real life phenomenon

pastel pagoda
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Zeth and I came up with a cargo cult kinda backstory

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Yeah realworld parallels for actual interesting shit

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Everybody is a critic

tame meteor
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they didnt invent space travel, they just started a cargo cult to convince UI to come back

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then it worked

spare zephyr
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i forgot that part

tame meteor
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then UI discovers the value of hydrakin in their genes and their curiosity

sullen vortex
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imo i just like the sprites of this species, the mechanics are nice but I dont really see them as the appeal to play them for that, the hardsuit sprites is what I find appealing about the species since they look unique.

tame meteor
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and then everything goes further from there

spare zephyr
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my critique for the lore has been sated thanks

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The irony here is that the hydrakin look cool as fuck in all these hardsuits, and will cook to death the instant they put any of them on clueless

spare zephyr
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i didnt quite understand it

tame meteor
spare zephyr
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drip or drought

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dry or drought

spare zephyr
pastel pagoda
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Quick, Zeth. Show them the super advanced tech we came up with to let Hydrakin wear hardsuits

tame meteor
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huzzah

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Brilliant. We've done it again

tame meteor
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the lowtech solutions also include injecting leporazine

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and breathing frezon

sullen vortex
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I choose drip

graceful skiff
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The really nice thing about furry species
Is that they can literally be anything so it's actually just not furslop
With markings you can do anything and become anything
And there is nothing wrong with adding more main species
But we do really need more markings 👍

craggy plinth
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@dreamy kelp theres a big what...

dreamy kelp
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A big lisk

subtle remnant
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Calling unique, interesting, and well designed species “furslop” goes crazy

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And I say this as a human main

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(I also play as some of the more alien species occasionally as well)

dusky gust
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@tame meteor Idea for some lore - We're thinking of changing lore more and the "Monolith" is going to be the common name for the anomalous area of space in the Colossus sector - Given the appearance of the Hydrakin, what do you think of them being influenced by said anomalies as part of their lore?

tame meteor
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they existed on an ice world thats impossibly cold, its safe to assume the anomalies manipulated them into existence somehow through evolution

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im planning to get some lore about them written up and get into the more gritty details and internal conflicts

dusky gust
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Future lore is going to revolve more around the anomalous nature of the Monolith space (ASR are going to be more affected, conflict is going to be affected by it, etc) so it might be cool to associate Hydrakin with it somehow

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Esp given their anomalous appearance

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halcyon canyon
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see I just like the species since they have Tail Drag My Beloved and also have more interesting mechanics than lizards. I like it when species are mechanically complex in interesting ways

halcyon canyon
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also they have baller ass sprites. also that

lime moat
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Sudden realisation, Hydrakin will probably love to have modsuits

tame meteor
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no modsuit sprites

tawdry sparrow
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give it an option to throw a beak on it and its perfect

dreamy kelp
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deft anvil
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hydrakin my beloved...

agile fossil
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It dont gotta replace da proots unamused

dusky gust
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@pulsar mantle what have you got done with hydrakin so far?

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And would it be okay if I continued development of it on Monolith

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spare zephyr
pastel pagoda
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So Hydrakin when clueless

civic cove
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Peak

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I'd pay 10 bucks for this

oblique bay
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When

tame meteor
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@lilac turret

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grrrr

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I need progress...

final void
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scav prototype..

green quarry
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need hydrakin..

ripe valve
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@tame meteor did yall ever address the problem of continuously heating up while SSD

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I don't wanna burn alive because I couldn't make it to cryo :(

lilac turret
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hibernation

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Ah

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Anyways can't wait to see 1 bajillion hydrakin Atmos :)

craggy plinth
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or lights out

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or do they insta hibernate

lilac turret
craggy plinth
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alright

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think this is like

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the first suggestion to have a 100/0 ratio of likes and dislikes

tame meteor
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real

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oh wait I can write out their guidebook entry here

tame meteor
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guidebook entry basically
Hydrakin

Summary
Hydrakin are avian creatures with an odd appearance and a tolerance for the coldest places you can think of. Fluffy, extremely warm, and otherwise very noisy, these birds were brought in from an icy world by Ullman Industries and introduced into the greater sector following foreign intervention in Ullman Affairs, and rushed plans, resulting in Hydrakin becoming spread throughout the colossus after a series of accidents lead to them being universally available in a foreign sector. Originally tribalistic in nature, these overly feathered ice birds have a variety of advantages and heavy disadvantages that make them one of the more unusual sights to see.
Stat overview

    • Hydrakin benefit from a sturdy frame and a dense cost of feathers, which makes them 20% more resistant to piercing damage and 20% more resistant to blunt damage.
    • However, they do not do so well when sliced, taking 20% more slash damage.
    • They severely dislike heat, taking 35% more heat damage, as it overheats them, and their dense coat does not do well with venting heat they gain.
    • Hydrakin tails tend to vary, but most have hooks or prehensile strength. They are able to tail pull similarly to lizards, freeing a hand while dragging things.
  • / Hydrakin have a special mix of semi-anaerobic blood which tolerates high cold, but gives them high heat production.
  • / Hydrakin can only eat raw foods, and have an allergy to onions or chocolatey food.
  • / When using or ingesting leporazine, Hydrakin bodies instead enter a state of cooling, and will lose body heat rather than stabilize from it, an unintended side effect of the drug.
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  • -Hydrakin bodies are not built for room temperature environments. Their body overheats rapidly in hardsuits and normal room temp environments, and they have a very low overheat tolerance compared to others, making them very high maintenance.
      • HOWEVER. Hydrakin possess the ability to manually cool themselves, removing 15% of body heat per action, and can enter a hibernation stasis, where they vent all their heat and take a nap for 30 seconds.
  • -Due to their unusual cheese shaped heads, they cannot wear glasses, both as a product of not having any visible eyes, and because its impossible to give prescription to a hydrakin.
    Backstory
    Originating on a desolate iceworld far in the outer fringes of another sector, Ullman Expeditionary forces discovered alien life on a planet far far below the normal temp for anything beyond extremophiles to exist in. Wreathed in ice storms and surrounded in liquid oxygen oceans with a frezon atmosphere and a very dim lighting, from its parent star, it was impossible to think anything lived on it at all. Upon discovery, Ullman Expeditionary units would commission a special suit for exploration on the planet, and collect samples of hydrakin. Initial encounters were rough, but the ice birds were eventually coaxed into boarding with the Ullman shuttles and being sent to major research facilities. Experiments hidden behind closed doors would be performed thoroughly after, the data of some being published and the more inhumane or extreme being kept behind closed doors. Ullman whistleblowers would leak hydrakin research data incidentally, however, resulting in other companies taking note of Hydrakin in UI's possession, and interfering with their experiments, either to free the ice birds, or take them for their own purposes. Following more hydrakins being captured, they would eventually become uplifted by Ullman, and used as basic labor. Hauling them into the main sector was a challenge, however.
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wait

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can i suggest a uh

tame meteor
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ya

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like a tiny little buff

tame meteor
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what is it

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sense they have no visible eyes, they should have natural welder and flash immunity

tame meteor
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no lmao

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powergame...

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there are suits with weld and flashprot

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theres also the weldgasmask

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use it

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i mean not really, flashes are rarely used and welder protection is easy to come by

tame meteor
spare zephyr
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no other species has weld or flash prot

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why change that

tame meteor
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Technically IPC cus like

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oops I welded without a welder

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easy glass fix

spare zephyr
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IPC.. maybe.. but theyre already pretty good

tame meteor
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they dont have to care

spare zephyr
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they have alot of res in turn they suck with EMPs

tame meteor
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hydrakin have meta resists but take the same amount of heat damage as moths do

spare zephyr
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adding weld or flash immunity kinda isnt in line with the hydrakins design IMO

tame meteor
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hydrakin also suffer from overheating themselves

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victims of being overly fluffy

spare zephyr
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its feathers vro 🥀

tame meteor
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their coat could be mistaken for a built in EVA with the density

spare zephyr
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freaky

tame meteor
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I mean how else do you stay warm on a planet with liquid oxygen oceans lmao

tame meteor
# tame meteor - **-Hydrakin bodies are not built for room temperature environments. Their body...

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Bluespace warp storms would disrupt Ullman shipping of hydrakin to the Colossus, resulting in both loss of life and many becoming placed under the hands of different companies instead of their parent company, while the actual amount that survived entering the colossus intact and under U.I. control ended up being far lower than what was intended, scattering the ice birds all over the sector and leaving Ullman in a precarious manpower spot with them. Fast forward to now, and Hydrakin are still relatively new, but their adaptation into the Colossus has been very rough.

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I am curious as ive never actually viewed a species being made like this but

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how much progress percentallay would you say you've done to the point of it being added?

tame meteor
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spritewise they're mostly done

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displacements cover the annoying part of doing every jumpsuit, shoe and glove

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masks are done and they dont wear glasses so dont need to do that

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hats are fine mostly

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hardsuits were all done

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modsuits are empty

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so pretty much just armor

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?

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and wha bout mechanics?

tame meteor
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lung yaml, lepo interaction, language, and a handful of sounds are not done

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i see

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alright!

civic cove
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Hydrabin

fossil cliff
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So surgery wise, do the Hydrakin have eyes to replace?

halcyon canyon
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i would assume, it's just they're subdermal.

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forwarding some of the hydrakin stuff i dont think hes shown in here

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neck cooler

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@tame meteor is ur name tag truth orrr

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i wish it was truth

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ask nazrin or gnarlysheep

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pretty sure gnarly is busy with school 💔

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i could maybe but i barely play this server

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eh

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right?

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Yeah should be

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its very parasitic

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:shurg:

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vro it's just 30 minutes of yaml I'm just lazy fuck

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yeah

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oh my friend might be able to help

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i gotta ask them first doe

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they cant sadly 💔

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they dunno how to do species code

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oough

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organ yaml....

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im

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bounty it

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@tame meteor you wouldnt mind if i did right?

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nazrin said he'll do it tommorow

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PEAK

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but thats been said several times at this point

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tru..

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tho nazrin i kinda trust would do it

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I hope

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because im tired of hydrakin being on hold

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they may be mald maint but they tend to get what they want done lol

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specifically cause hydragen i wont lie but

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I will admit

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hydragen markings ain't in yet

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unless gnarly put em in

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NAUUUUR

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meh, hydrakin still peak

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also like AMAZING job on the hydragen markings

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Love the species look, would be hype to have it!

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now that hydrakin have been added

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are anythings that werent added yet to it?

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well

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pr'd

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not added

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there were also uuuh

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it was one more thing that was missing about them but I forgot

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im just hoping they got the protogen sprites for them in before they get pr'd 🙏

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yeah

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but im not sure thyre

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idrc about protogen sprites or markings, just for Hydrakin to be added

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yeah the hydrakin have

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will at some point

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thats fine ig, atleast Hydrakin is replacing the broken and janky Protogen species

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agreed

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@tame meteor sorry for the ping and askin alot butttttttttt proto sprites merged yet if u know?

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they are in

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PEAK

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Cybernetic space dragons? 😮

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Any relation to hydras lorewise or is it just namesake?

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I could do it if it's just yaml

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The species

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I know I don't like agpl but yaml takes like

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they got pr'd and soon to be merged

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Link PR? ;3

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Wait......hydrakin soon ?

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C# is very very funny

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Hydrakin 2026

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hydrakin soon dw

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probably not

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bwaa

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then the language can be fixed and hydra merged

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jumpsuits was a bug

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then yuh just the language thingy

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so hyped for hypedrakin

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the day hypedrakin get merged is the day i no life

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bonk

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I need to tryhard hatmoss for the day

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Hatmos....

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@tame meteor @dusky gust

If the main issue is that the language isn't complete due to the font, couldn't you just leave out the language and merge the hydrakin then merge the language once its fixed? Or would it be prefered its all merged in one?

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language is client skill issue i think

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i had troubles with TSFMC language being marked as "?"

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not sure tho

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imo shouldnt hold it back from a merge

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its still really well made otherwise

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also awaiting for guidebook entry

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unless that's already done

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i know that us

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the guy who made them wrote one but

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dunno if its actually been put in

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guessin that was the guidebook in the comment?

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maybe we shouldnt normalize merging unfinished PRs

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we already did that months ago and it resulted in pain

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itll merge when it merges

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truthnuke btw

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hydrakins will wait

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a little

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just a few days

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i might do guidebook myself then

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I wrote their guidebook entry ooug

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yuh so

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its just the language

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thats not really that unfinished

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why have to make a second PR just fix a line of yml when you could wait a bit and have a full package smh

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they can wait when the creator wants it merged

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its not up to them

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I wouldnt mind hydrakin showing up on other servers under AGPL or whatever

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but I would wait till we have it all ironed out first

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if another server wanted to do that anyways

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they dont have to wait for a PR to merge

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they can rip the PR right now

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i meant later on

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but like

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that doesnt affect much tbh

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the language yml already exists btw

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its just broken

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they have to cut it out regardless

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nuh uhhhhhh

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WHAT

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LMAO

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Figuring out whats up with the language is the complicated part

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All I need to do is figure out how to upload the font file and it works

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Same way that the mandarin works

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Or something

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reverse engineering from how solcomm works

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And make the font

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couldnt you copy mandarin

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hydrakin

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id think that would work but

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i could be very wrong

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we need SGA in font form first

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i can do that i think

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snowths is figuring it out already I think

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Yea

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oop

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then prob hydrakin for christmas week

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leaves, delivers hydrakin, leaves again

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maintainer of the year award

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i read that sa

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de-livers

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Wins

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Question, do they have unique scream, unique emote like other specie ?
Other "talk" sound

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they do

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Incredible

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hydrakin deez nuts

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haven't tried

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i feel like an impatient child waiting for a christmas gift lol

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same

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@robust portal font fiixx pleaase

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cause pretty much just the font thing then hydrakin can FINALLY be merged

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honestly ive bothered nazrin too much

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fair..

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he seems to want hydrakin just as much as us lol

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if fluffen is aware the issue is one related to fonts

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probably can tell

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just run the issue with em

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@dusky gust hydrakin need their language to use SGA/enchantment as a font so that it works similarly to solcommon having Chinese fonts

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the provided file should fill in for that and the rest should be smooth sailing from there

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bleh I figured i shouldnt have

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its late, I need to sleep...

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I've already told you a million times to be patient

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this is volunteer work and I know you did a lot but like if you can't figure the coding out yourself you are stuck on

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other people's schedules

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and nothing will change that

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I'm not remotely at full efficiency atm due to irl and everyone else is busy doing actual maintainer work

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ill refrain next time

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also maints aren't full time devs and its not really their job to be full time devs?

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maintainer isn't another word for developer

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i mean in his defense

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you said after christmas but not really when, its kinda reasonable to ask

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not saying you are obligated

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or anythin like that

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just its a reasonable ask, and i get his impatients considering how many have said theyll do it before

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er, 2 days, considering it just turned a new day

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and one of those days was literally christmas day

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if I'm going to be bothered every day about hydrakin I am just not going to work on it

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simple

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@tame meteor

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I might jump the gun a little too often

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I just want to get cool things put in and I might be a little overbearing about it

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hydrakin have just been waiting half a year to be put in

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and its on the final step so i understand tbh

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dont push iitt

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not tryin to just tryin to argue for you, cause dont want it to get dropped this far

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bleh im just gonna sleep and wait

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leave hydrakin in the backburner on my mind until the day it does finally merge

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anywho have a nice sleep

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you'd have to get someone else to do it

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simple as

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that was mostly a joke

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now stop making things worse

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im literally just having a conversation

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and worse case ill bounty it some point

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anyways your hydrakin font worked but didn't work

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as in without normal characters it just turned into all minecraft language for people who understand it

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so would it need like

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both normal characters and SGC in one?

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it gave me insight into the issue and I'm just going to try different fonts until it works

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lol

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also sorry i got a bit

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a little shitty mood rn

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day been icky

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fair

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I have not dev'd for monolith in ages so my motivation is very come and go especially cause irl

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so

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shits slow

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very

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i see..

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if u ever need to vent my dms are open

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I'd rather not vent

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thanks

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its not really my thing

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fair, its not for everyone

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send me the font file the

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TSF uses for their language

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i could do that

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no actually

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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yeah I don't think that'll work

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rippp

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I see the issue now

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oh?

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your font that you downloaded did

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just replaced a with something else

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it didn't actually fix the issue

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in order to fix the issue you'd have to actually find the correct unicode values for all of the minecraft symbols

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and put them in the correct spots

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idea

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so

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the mandarin

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its just symbols attached to a unicode yeah?

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assuming it exists

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assuming yeah

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so then could the symbols just be edited?

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tho i know coding is complicated af 💔

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worse case might just be best to drop the enchantment table language idea

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I downloaded a font that apparently has every single

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hopefully it works!

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lets praige 💔

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HALLELUYA

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OR HOWEVER THE F ITS SPELT

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hallelujah

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YES

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THAT

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THANK U SO MUUUUCH RED U THE BEST

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meant to click enter earlier 💔

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please stop pinging me

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only issues left is the lore being kinda bad

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What's the lore?

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bird people on ice planet enslaved by The Evil Corporation™ and used as a workforce

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pretty much old avali lore

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yea that

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its not that the lore is bad it just doesn't make much sense

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which i mean i think is oka

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how so?

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also i mean

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Hydrakin are avian creatures with an odd appearance and a tolerance for the coldest places you can think of. Fluffy, extremely warm, and otherwise very noisy, these birds were brought in from an icy world by Ullman Industries and introduced into the greater sector following foreign intervention in Ullman Affairs, and rushed plans, resulting in Hydrakin becoming spread throughout the colossus after a series of accidents lead to them being universally available in a foreign sector. Originally tribalistic in nature, these overly feathered ice birds have a variety of advantages and heavy disadvantages that make them one of the more unusual sights to see.

Originating on a desolate iceworld far in the outer fringes of another sector, Ullman Expeditionary forces discovered alien life on a planet far far below the normal temp for anything beyond extremophiles to exist in. Wreathed in ice storms and surrounded in liquid oxygen oceans with a frezon atmosphere and a very dim lighting, from its parent star, it was impossible to think anything lived on it at all. Upon discovery, Ullman Expeditionary units would commission a special suit for exploration on the planet, and collect samples of hydrakin.

Initial encounters were rough, but the ice birds were eventually coaxed into boarding with the Ullman shuttles and being sent to major research facilities. Experiments hidden behind closed doors would be performed thoroughly after, the data of some being published and the more inhumane or extreme being kept behind closed doors. Ullman whistleblowers would leak hydrakin research data incidentally, however, resulting in other companies taking note of Hydrakin in UI's possession, and interfering with their experiments, either to free the ice birds, or take them for their own purposes. Following more hydrakins being captured, they would eventually become uplifted by Ullman, and used as basic labor. Hauling them into the main sector was a challenge, however.

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Bluespace warp storms would disrupt Ullman shipping of hydrakin to the Colossus, resulting in both loss of life and many becoming placed under the hands of different companies instead of their parent company, while the actual amount that survived entering the colossus intact and under U.I. control ended up being far lower than what was intended, scattering the ice birds all over the sector and leaving Ullman in a precarious manpower spot with them. Fast forward to now, and Hydrakin are still relatively new, but their adaptation into the Colossus has been very rough.

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this is what I was given to put in the guidebook

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this servers lore IS that theres this giant monolith that provided ftl powers

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and bluespace stuff

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so

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makign since doesnt matter much imo

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If it's wanted I can attempt a rewrite tomorrow. I wrote lore for the server I was an admin on for ss13 for a while

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is synt awake or nah

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yknow what ill just ping him

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@tame meteor this dude

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no

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he's not awake

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aaah

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thx

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ah ok

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I'll get some sleep here and see what I can do about rewriting it when I wake up. Don't have to take any of it if you don't like it, but if it works, free to use it.

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I'll talk with the hydrakin fella and come up with something

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but generally I really have come to dislike attempts to make slave species or the like as species backgrounds unless handled carefully and tactfully as that tends to result in rather restrictive writing

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oh and it tends to be badly written writing but yes

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also it tends to be usually ignored by the playerbase but that's just lore in a nutshell

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mainly because SS14 in general is not know for its ""story"" or ""lore""

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more so just its gameplay

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maybe try to just like

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same issue in ss13

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well lessor they actually roleplay more in ss13 smh

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leave it as a species that came from an ice world and was scatter across colossus cause blah blah blah

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yeahhh the issue with "uplift" is that it implies a lot of things

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like I could easily see it as "oh they're all indoctrinated"

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what if its cause some blue sapce monolith shi warped them across sectors

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my first instinct is "mass indoctrination uplift with cherries on top"

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because otherwise there is no reason for a company to spend all the absurd amount of work to uplift a species

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frankly

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and even then you can just take some children and indoctrinate them if you want child soldiers

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maybe if you pass them off as synthetic organisms or something? unlikely

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that's far beyond the tech tree

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another idea is just vat grown colonizers or some shit

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they were uplifted for the sake of uplifting is a better justification

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i mean

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why would a big company do that tho?

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gotta give a reason

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it is understandable because unfortunately actual sci fi level thinking and storytelling is beyond most ss14 player's abilities

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that's my idea yes

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i like that tbh

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feels more like

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you don't have to ditch the scattering part, they're just experiments or something still that got scattered in an incident, or you can go a more egalitarian view and say they got actually released after their uplifting and mostly discarded by the company (and now must struggle to adapt to the universe and also sentience)

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ah nanotrasen moment

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that would make sense goin wioth the whole proving they could thing

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yes

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cause really if one used enlightened self interest for a moment what is the point of putting all that work in just for slave labor

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not really any

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anything a hydrakin could could be replicated by tech, actual employees you can hire for minimum wage

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oh and you don't have to teach them how to do work, enforce slavery onto them by much more expensive guards with expensive equipment, have cells and containment units

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ship them around in mass

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lemme write up a new guide book rq

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yada yada

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the only argument for it is the indoctrination side of things

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turn them into intensely loyal soldiers with actual biological brain manipulation (and while you are at it turn them into enhanced genetically modified war creatures)

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That I've read a good story about

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I have read ss13 lore that tried to turn a species into literal sentient pets or some nonsense

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it was kinda dumb

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how does this work?

Hydrakin are avian creatures with an odd appearance and an extreme tolerance for cold. Fluffy, exceptionally warm, and notoriously noisy, these birds originate from a desolate iceworld far beyond the normal limits of habitable space. Their home planet is locked in perpetual ice storms, dimly lit, and surrounded by liquid oxygen oceans beneath a frezon-heavy atmosphere—once thought entirely lifeless.

Rather than uplifting the Hydrakin for integration or labor, Ullman pursued uplift as a proof-of-concept to demonstrate its technological capability to investors. Once sapience and communication benchmarks were met, the project was declared a success and quietly defunded.

Transport disruptions and bluespace storms scattered Hydrakin shipments across the Colossus, leaving many outside Ullman control. Today, the Hydrakin exist as a partially uplifted, displaced species, struggling to adapt to a sector they were never meant to inhabit.

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nice

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I do like the quiet contemplative horror of sci fi very much

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whether that be paper clipping AIs or grand corporate negligence

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agreed

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no sci fi is complete without a space asshole

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yes

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any changes/additions u want to teh guide book entry if u wanna use it?

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I'll do them myself

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and also after talking with synthetic

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oka!

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imma go to bed no

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w

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u prob should tooa ssuming its around the same time for u

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Yes

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hydra when

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#1424999559494500414 message I had to scroll so far up because discord couldn’t make a single “view post” button on mobile

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Peak suggestion though

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@robust portal the "Uplifting" was from Ullman educating their hydrakin into a level of basic human intelligence so that they could mold them into workable employees and use them for their own services

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better than the original almost

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I originally wrote up the lore with the intent that Ullman, with all its unethical and shady background activities, would be using them like scientific trinkets and menial labor, before a manpower issue gets them to try and send hydrakin into colossus, and then they get scattered around the place and fail and stuff and it continues from there for normal lore

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This feels like budget Avali + the things from scav prototype

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like

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not at all

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I mean

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Yes Avali

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Ice world
Avian

tame meteor
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when think they pring if ya know?

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soon

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merge soon...

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i hope so..

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Merge never

wintry cypress
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Yeah, you can speak when it's here, you should mute yourself NOW

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im stalking the github lmao

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I will now anti-bounty the Hydrakin

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I'll pay Fluff to NOT port it.

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Killing you at the Waffle House

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The second PR attempt is here

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A good idea for culture is that Hydrakin are extremely into hot tubs

Because as where they are from natural forming hot spas are fantastic places for life to exist
And can also be seen as cultural centers for faith, community, and schools 👍

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for hydra it'd probably be more like plasma pools or whatever

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since those would provide warmth where hydra can commune around

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they live on a planet with liquid oxygen oceans and a blanket of frezon for an atmosphere

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who said they're swimming in plasma

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I said commune around

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thats be like their spa imo

graceful skiff
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also bc its funny

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not bc it makes sense to me

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pools of liquid

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Okay but I was talking about spas
And the cultural relevance they could have with the idea of taking a bath

He immediately suggested okay pools of plasma

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you wouldnt swim in a plasma pool

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but cool concept

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cuz they swim alot

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Well it just makes more sense to me to have plasma actually be under the ice and dirt and heating water on top
It's cooler conceptually

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they wouldnt have been able to make fire in the first place

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stuck in a tribal state because of their environment using ice tools and such

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Using plasma

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Then ignite via sparks

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I assumed you knew

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this is describing before the uplifting

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on their ice world

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Uplift means

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tribal culture etc

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Making a low intelligence species

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Or nonsapient species

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Sentient

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They are tribal because I assume they do hunting and absolutely no agriculture

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uplift_(science_fiction)

Uplift (science fiction)

In science fiction, uplift is the intervention in the evolution of species of low-intelligence or even nonsapient species in order to increase their intelligence. This is usually accomplished by cultural, technological, or evolutionary interventions such as genetic engineering. The earliest appearance of the concept is in H. G. Wells's 1896 nove...

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red he said he was talking about before the uplift

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no need to be passive agressive

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hydrakin were low intelligence (stuck in tribal stages) until they were discovered by and uplifted by ullman

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they were stuck with basic ice spears and tools

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That makes sense yeah

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i am calm, all i said was no need to be passive agressive

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May I suggest a background to Hydrakin?
I am really into world building

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go ahead

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I made their direct origins (how they appeared) ambiguous on purpose for people to make their own spin

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Soon

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Soon TM

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Hydrakin a avian two legged humanoid that mainly originates from the far reaches of fringe space
And within theses various sectors you can find ice planets in which they will reside
All of these planets have somewhat differing species of hydrakin
(The reason why I'm bringing up different planets is so I can properly explain markings)

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merged

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I can rest

graceful skiff
# graceful skiff Hydrakin a avian two legged humanoid that mainly originates from the far reaches...

There is no known explanation for why they can be found on different planets but now for the creatures themselves
(To be honest I don't know all of the biological features)
Among other things their culture is a rather unique one among other species
They gather around hot spas
Which are formed by underground plasma vents

And using this they have created extremely rudimentary geothermal powered devices

Such as a grinder and juicer for medicinal purposes
And ice saws to create improved ice tools

But even with all of these in advancements in their science they still remain in the tribal stage of civilization thanks to their over dependence on hunting and geothermal vents

Many of the tribes across ice worlds have differing levels of technological advancements
Some barter some invent
And some pillage for theses geological hot spots

tame meteor
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finally

lilac turret
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now make a lore channel im about to close ts

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if you didn't already

graceful skiff
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Merged?!? LET'S FUCKIN GO!

tame meteor
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after a hundred years

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the hydra thread comes to a close

graceful skiff
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When is the server going to restart?

lilac turret
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ok death