#Archylle & Jester: Armed Trauma Unit Implementation (Varying Price$)

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mild sun
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😔

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I really should

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But some of the critique I get about ATU is just

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"Holy fuck you're stupid"

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I can't help but feel the urge to deconstruct their critique and give like 50 reasons why they're wrong and heres a detailed list of how they function and why that wouldn't happen etc etc

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But again, it doesn't seem to sink in

sonic trellis
mild sun
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The other month when jester was still here, he had the exact same issue and got tired of it too and started ignoring people

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I got told ATU were my power fantasy role to kill whoever didn't listen to me

sonic trellis
mild sun
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No matter how many times I explained every single situation and scenario you could be in to result in the ATU shooting you, where you are at fault, they just didn't care

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Some people are so childish when it comes to following instructions

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No it isn't a power fantasy, we're in a role-playing game now fucking roleplay

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I understand not liking authority figures but jeez

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Some people here

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Someone called me a control freak power fantasy metagamer for locking the MD fab room door

sonic trellis
mild sun
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I don't want a power fantasy

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Id just be HRPing the damn job

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I HRP Doc and people whine when I play it properly

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If you don't need medical help, get out of medbay

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People get mad about that

sonic trellis
mild sun
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Childish

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And hating authority figures to a childish level

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I get called rude all the time when I ask people who aren't in medical need to get out of medbay

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Every single shift

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Wish I was exaggerating

sonic trellis
mild sun
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And I get called rude for telling people to not steal MD materials and chems, they are NOT public use, despite popular belief

sonic trellis
mild sun
cyan sparrow
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this is the "power fantasy" comment in question which makes no mention of atu killing everyone for the public record

sonic trellis
cyan sparrow
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you have a tendency to put words into people's mouth

mild sun
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We've recently started having a short drink moth person who just hangs around MD and roleplays being drunk, haven't had a single issue with them all all ironically

mild sun
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Isn't that what I said

cyan sparrow
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yes that was me, i said this will likely become a power fantasy role if asymmetrical engagement rules are applied to the ATU

mild sun
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I apologize if I explained it poorly, but the point still stands

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And I meant caffeine or whatever their name was

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They said very similar points and may have flat out said what I mentioned

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I can't remember

mild sun
sonic trellis
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Basically rules that are different for a different party

mild sun
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Also if someone abused ATU, Whitelist removal and role ban?

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Which specific rules were being referenced here

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I have a poor memory

sonic trellis
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I think it's the engagement??

mild sun
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If it was telling Tsf to fuck off or hand over a body, then yes imo ATU can do thag

cyan sparrow
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yeah that's valid as long as ATU are treated like any other merc faction

proud raven
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you see the key is to not be obnoxious :3

sonic trellis
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Honestly I just don't understand why people can't
Just accept that it's a whitelisted role and that it's probably going to be added

Just suck it up and continue playing or if you really believe that it hurts the server that much just leave!

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Believe me I don't like a couple of things in this server but that isn't going to kill my enjoyment I'll just try to avoid it the best I can

cyan sparrow
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the ATU is a cool idea and people generally liked it when jester initially brought it up, most of the opposition (minus ppl intentionally getting a rise out of overzealous proponents) comes down to there being an implied rule carve out for the ATU in the future instead of letting players handle things themselves

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more rules and exceptions for specific roles doesn't fit with the last point made, but that's only imo

sonic trellis
sonic trellis
cyan sparrow
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the whitelist by itself is whatever, that's already what ADS is and it wouldn't hurt to have more factions and content that will cause conflict between players

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the issue if this were to go through would be a combination of a WL + rules in favor of ATU, instead of giving them the tools to be scary and do what they're supposed to do via game mechanics

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i've seen posts along the lines of "people will ahelp ATU for killing them" but i suspect this will go the other way around if specific rules about how people can interact with ATU/their gear/content are implemented

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that's just my two cents though and all i can offer is suggestions, hopefully a bit more productive than going back and forth and being accused of being a "stupid fragger" (most of my hours are doing atmos as a civ on this server)

misty charm
misty charm
sonic trellis
misty charm
burnt elm
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What’s even the point of having a super strong hypo spray? I play medical a lot and have never used them.

misty charm
cyan sparrow
misty charm
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exactly, their thing is arrive de escalate any situation make a "5 steps back" order to anyone who tries to get closer and if they act cocky they get just sent to oblivioon

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they get punched so hard skyrim pops up

burnt elm
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I don’t think that the ATU has anything worth killing them for.

misty charm
misty charm
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their whole thing is literally heal and if not they win because they're like 5 operatives

burnt elm
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I play a well armed merc with a SCAF suit and nobody has killed me for my stuff.

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Also are they allowed to take aggressive action?

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If a ship is targeting medical ships are they allowed to hunt it down?

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Are they allowed to glass ships during a chimera outbreak?

sonic trellis
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Probably not hunt it down but shoot them on site

cyan sparrow
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this is another thing that needs to be sorted out, are they allowed to escalate in the correct context or do they shoot on sight?

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i.e. are they treated as mercs or are they treated as a faction

weary wharf
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Escalate based on the situation

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Shoot when shot at

misty charm
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if the person is just being a nuisance on purpose but not using lethals they can just flash-baton-cuff

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if they point a gun and deny an order to drop/holster it they're just RD1 ending

cyan sparrow
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so theyre being treated as mercs

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which makes sense

misty charm
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they have the upper hand in the sense they came to do their job and they want no threat to attack the patient, so yeah they can point guns and order others to lower theirs

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they aren't forced to ofc

cyan sparrow
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there should be a document for this made to clear up confusion and save the trouble of repeating it over and over imo

misty charm
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trueee

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i'm gonna add it too the guidebook

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eventually

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maybe print papers that say "ATU is here, what do i do?"

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and shit

cyan sparrow
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should be a doc before implementation that ppl can read so everyone is on the same page before theyre added

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could use that for guidebook entry too

misty charm
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i'm also giving ATU fentanyl roundstart btw

fleet viper
misty charm
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ofc

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silly

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y'know what fuck it i'm also giving them meth

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/j

fleet viper
misty charm
fleet viper
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Anyways imma excited for this

misty charm
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when you pay me

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nah i'm adding

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stonks first

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then ATU

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then uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

fleet viper
misty charm
spiral crater
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All u have to do is make them spawn with acid implants

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Problem solved

burnt elm
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Can ATU hire mercs for their ships?

torn crane
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Are we going ahead with the "charge per revive" model?

misty charm
misty charm
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you die once you have to wait 1242345 shifts

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until you can revive

burnt elm
misty charm
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they come from the same shuttle, they land the same airlock/entrance and probably wouldn't even leave the same room without a very gouda reason

burnt elm
misty charm
burnt elm
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I would like if mercs were better integrated into MD so that ATU could be more of an elite team.

mild sun
mild sun
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Even though it's been explained so many times, it's getting exasperating that people STILL don't understand

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And I'm getting impatient and blunt, which isn't helping

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It's what I originally meant by a ATU primer for people

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Also I don't like you guys describing them as mercs

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By definition they are not mercs, they just function similarly to them in this specific video game

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But fundamentally, they are not mercs

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They work for a pre established company as medics

mild sun
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And I made a smaller ATU ship designed for 2 people

mild sun
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I think we should still implement this though, obviously

burnt elm
mild sun
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Well yeah, I'm trying to explain there's a distinction

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They act like mercs in context of mechanics and this videogame

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But in-universe they are not mercs

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They are medics who work for Harmony corp

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Also Id like people to understand that they are not a fragger faction ... They'll only shoot in self defense or if you're actively trying to give the body

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If you're watching them from afar or you killed the patient and are still there but leaving/watching, they won't shoot you

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"step away from the patient" warnings, if you break them and are shot, should be implied that it's completely your own fault

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We need to make some kind of distinction if TSF hold the patient hostage or something (while crit/dead)

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And I'm still not sure if they'll be giving insurance to factions, has that been decided yet @misty charm

misty charm
burnt elm
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still I would like to see them be given freedom to do as they please if it helps the MD. For example, lot of the time I see MD being crowded during a chimera outbreak and I think it would be cool to see the ATU handling the outbreak.

misty charm
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yeah ATU will handle sector wide threats that act upon bio-chemical ways

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aka they fight chimera

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in exchange of money from DoC/CL

burnt elm
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I feel like mercs that spawn at MD should be incorporated more into medical. As of right now mercs act as the armed unit of MD at the moment but also have very limited access to the place.

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Right now I think there will be a lot of overlap of armed medic mercs and ATU.

mild sun
misty charm
mild sun
misty charm
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so they're like ultrq fast

burnt elm
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that sound like it would be hard to mange with only one ship.

misty charm
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and one gyroscope

mild sun
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Yes boss

mild sun
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Iirc, I gave them small one a 50

burnt elm
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oh the ship is fine, but what if two people die in different places?

mild sun
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That's why I made 2 ships

misty charm
mild sun
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Have you seen the flagship @misty charm

misty charm
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if not the closest one

misty charm
mild sun
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I'll send pics when I'm on my pc

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Making coffee

misty charm
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bruv I'm showering rn

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business never waits

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i shower with a suit

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like agent 47

mild sun
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@misty charm

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Next to tzipora for scale, since it's meant to be a heavily modified one

misty charm
mild sun
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Should be one there, not sure why there isn't in the sdfeesnshot

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Must be old screenshot

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Thoughts though? Like it?

misty charm
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oh nvm

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found the 'puter

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i like it lots

mild sun
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i could add an RnD server and console in medbay

burnt elm
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I like the amount of auto cannons, that will stop chimera from hoping into space when their ships are disabled.

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Does the ship have one of those new autoloaders for the ship guns?

mild sun
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honestly no idea

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i nemed to update my repo lmao

dusk robin
misty charm
mild sun
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I have an idea for the ATU, which may stop a certain few people from malding @misty charm

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a third role, non whitelist, which is ATU but without any of the privilages

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merc with a different name

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"ATU Cadet"

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basically an Emergency responder who helps the ATU and can start with nonlethal weapons

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like disablers and stun batons

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thoughts?

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has the same restrictions as main ATU

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also hours in it are required for ATU as well as whitelist

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Training wheels for playing atu

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you learn the rules of the atu and have more freedom as ER

misty charm
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i fw it

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@mild sun also

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make more ship designs, an armored one for like massive fights, a quick small one and maybe some others idk

mild sun
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so 2 more?

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Dont forget the Sparrow i made

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this fits 'quick small one' i guess?

misty charm
# mild sun

yeah i saw it i like it but something faster and smaller like make it a .zip of a .rar kek

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with a decently sized medbay tho

mild sun
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So like, a super fast mini ship which is 70% medbay?

misty charm
mild sun
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i can do that, doesnt sound bad

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And the other ship?

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Flagship (large)
Sparrow (medium)
fighter (small)

burnt elm
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I would say just give them an EG-4 because it’s a nice gun with a stun setting.

mild sun
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We could just give ATU cadet merc access

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and a modified scaf

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thats white and teal or something

burnt elm
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That would be amazing.

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If the cadets and Elite ATU both got access to the special weapon list in the load out that would give them more freedom with their equipment.

mild sun
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imo, cadet should have the same hour requirements as DoC

little storm
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The stun settings would matter if every armor didn't have 80% stun res

spiral crater
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Ig ill recolo scaf...

burnt elm
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I think that having a good option for medical merc players to officially be part of MD would be great.

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Because right now if ATU would be added it’s would be in direct competition with medical mercs.

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Cadets being part of MD would let them work with ATU instead of competing with them.

mild sun
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@misty charm

misty charm
# mild sun

you could change the small lower thrusters for gyros tbh

mild sun
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Should I make another ship after this one or remake the ATU wing at MD, keep the file around for when all the other ATU stuff is finished

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wip

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I could remove the grilles at the bottom for visuals, make the silhouette nicer

burnt elm
dusk robin
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Just a side note. Don't forget about the longbow 140mm cannons, could be fun to use on the bigger shuttles godo

zealous pasture
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From that one and only time i played as a CO Sec i learned that stuns are really weak on here even to targets without any armor

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And have atu not just have stuns but tasers

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One hit and you are on the floor for the next 3 to 5 seconds

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Tasers were too OP in ss13 they completely removed it except the AI turrets and admins

misty charm
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you're on the clear twin

mild sun
torn crane
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It probably needs to be adjusted before being mapped

dusk robin
torn crane
mortal kernel
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Lowkey

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I think atu ships shouldnt have big guns on em

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Medics being valid ads target despair

dusk robin
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The guns dont matter, the IFF of the shuttle does

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IE MED, CIV, EXP etc etc

mortal kernel
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If anything it would make more sense for the ships to be well armored, speedy and boarding focused because like who in their right mind would blow up a ship with their client potentially on it smh

inland lagoon
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I think the guns are more for if there's another hostile ship preventing recovery

burnt elm
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Also, they will be used for chimera containment.

mild sun
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Yes to all 3

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I've made a small, medium and flagship for the ATU

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All have guns

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We got confirmation and permission to use even bigger ones, but I haven't updated them yet

inland lagoon
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I can't wait to ATU main

mortal kernel
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Real..

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But i heard someone say its gonna be whitelist?

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(Lame)

inland lagoon
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Yeah. And the infiltrator role for asr 😢

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Guess I'm gonna have to suffer through a couple days of tsf

burnt elm
mortal kernel
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Zamn

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Imo DoC should be the WL MD role

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Idk

inland lagoon
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I disagree they can't really cause serious damage like Colonel or ads can

mild sun
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Considering what the ATU will be able to use, they will need a Whitelist lmao

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ATU will be whitelisted, but there were some ideas of an 'ATU Cadet' role that has no whitelist, less gear than the ATU, learn the ATU rules while accompanying them

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Id like it to be a time requirement for the whitelist for ATU specifically

inland lagoon
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So is a time lock not a whitelist?

burnt elm
mild sun
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That's what ATU cadet is

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Basically

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Reskinned Merc, but let's you assist the ATU and learn their rules etc

mortal kernel
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Have it work like front ear nfsd

mild sun
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I want it to be a hard requirement to even play ATU

mortal kernel
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Gotta get cadet time before doing full atu

burnt elm
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I mean will they get the merc special weapons?

mortal kernel
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But you dont need whitelist for anything but the command position

mild sun
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Don't see why not

mortal kernel
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Also they shouldnt have access to stuff thats so op they require whitelist ngl

mild sun
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Even regular responders will have crazy gear

mild sun
burnt elm
# mild sun I guess?

ok good, I like the idea that these roles are at least as well equipped as the people that will be robbing them.

mortal kernel
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Its meant to be based off the trauma team iirc not maxtech godo godo godo

mild sun
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Not in this universe, pal

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There is no maxtach

mortal kernel
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Well duh

mild sun
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Rolling them into one

mortal kernel
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Its just a comparison

mild sun
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There is no maxtach equivalent, is what I meant

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So the ATU will be both

mortal kernel
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I meaan ads perhaps kinda not really

mild sun
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Not even close

mortal kernel
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If they do have all this op gear they better atleast have very strict SOP

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so they arent just merc++

inland lagoon
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if atu gets SOP then tsf should as well

zealous pasture
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Its gonna be a boring job or get abused

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I really like the idea but they won't have much to do in a usual shift unless whole md gets removed except atu and everyone has to pay to be saved at all

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Otherwise the only fun i think of is bio threat where atu fights with chimera to stop the spread as the tsf and asr doesn't usually feel responsible unless they get attacked too

mortal kernel
misty charm
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for now it's basically "avoid combat at all costs, you de escalate situations but if they shoot you once you magdump them then leave them there for actual docs"

olive gale
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ATU is gonna be lowpop as fuck

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WHY are they WL only

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just give them playtime reqs ✌️

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besides captain because if theres no captain then ATU cant really do jackshit

misty charm
misty charm
spiral crater
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i dunno man seems kind of power gamey and abusable

olive gale
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WHAT DID YOU GIVE THEM

spiral crater
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uhh

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try scrolling up

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or asking wynn

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theres a reason its WL

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duh

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i mean this has been stated like

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a bajillion times 🥀 🥀

fleet viper
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They are packing heat

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Yea

mortal kernel
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And those dont even have a playtime rec anymore

spiral crater
mortal kernel
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Yuh

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Yuh

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Yuh

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Yuh

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W

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Well med ships

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Also discord wtf

spiral crater
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yes

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medships

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but faction guns

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thats literally ATU

mortal kernel
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Yep

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But factions arent WL

sonic trellis
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Personally I would make it in lore that they are hired hands
Not cadets
It feels like training a Cadet is a bit much you would just hire actual professionals or make them yourself
And if you need grunt soldiers just hire them

sonic trellis
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Or actually...
Why not make it in lore that the actual professionals are actually clones put in pit fights and the only one that comes out alive is chosen for action

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It would be a bit better than just having another Cadet role
Have interesting dynamics!
Interesting Origins!

olive gale
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its gonna be so incredibly lowpop...

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oh wow ATU is packing fucking capital-level guns

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on CORVETTES

mortal kernel
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Plus why do medical ships need to be so big smh

sonic trellis
mortal kernel
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Theres a reason why majority of med ships you see are the artemis godo

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Also capital ship weapons on a for profit organization…. Sounds like a militia type deal to me

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Woe ads be upon theee

sonic trellis
olive gale
spiral crater
olive gale
spiral crater
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multiple times

spiral crater
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lmao

sonic trellis
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Huh..
I mean as long as it's balanced???
In game???

spiral crater
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its meant to be a fuck you scenario

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apparently

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the oh shit run motif when you kill the wrong rich guy

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which again

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is why

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its WL

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didnt every person confused here have this convo at least once...

sonic trellis
# spiral crater its WL

I mean...
Fair????
To be honest I just I don't want to be one shot in my ship
As long as it doesn't do that I'm fine

spiral crater
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you wont be one shot though?

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people think

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"oh big gun on ship shoot me cuz it can"

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no bro

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its there to scare you

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its not being used

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if you pick a fight with em yeah

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but thats the point

sonic trellis
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Hmm..
I'll just have to see it in game and decide
But speaking of other things what do you think of cadets being actual mercenaries

And the actual professionals being clones that were put into pits with one another and fought to the death in order to put the strongest out on the field?

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Makes sense with it being mercenary time locked

spiral crater
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idk ask wynn

sonic trellis
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@mild sun what do you think of making that the Cadet role isn't just another role
But actually mercenaries

And the actual professionals being clones that were put into pits to fight to the death to see who is most experienced?

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In my opinion the name Cadet holds heavy undertones
Allowing abuse of power under the name of I'm new!

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Renaming them to something like medical aids
Would be beneficial do you not agree?

mortal kernel
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This is mono people will find any edcuse to frag out

burnt elm
mortal kernel
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Lowkey make cadets have no round start slots, and have paramed not be WL but require like 10hour of ATU time

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So you gota actually learn what to do as a cadet

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Then you can paramed without needing WL

sonic trellis
mortal kernel
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I mean ive seen wynn say like if your near the client they will shoot you despair clueless

sonic trellis
sonic trellis
mortal kernel
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Also literally everyone on mono is rich

mortal kernel
sonic trellis
spiral crater
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so uh

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i dont know why youre making issues

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when you dont even understand most of how its planned

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i blame the lack of a real forum

sonic trellis
spiral crater
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this thread really just stifles content for it since yeah

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shit organization

sonic trellis
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Maybe the reason why people hate this so much
It's because they don't get cool stuff for their company

And honestly I don't entirely blame them
That's the fault of the maintainers who accepted companies and don't add more content to them

spiral crater
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cuz look at ullman

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oktober actually cares about his company

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so he adds shit for it

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then other people dont like self inserts cuz they dont have people making shit for other companies instead

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its funny how that works

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its not maintainers jobs

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its the communities

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those companies are entirely driven by community content

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if you want to implement your company they wont stop you they just regulate it so it doesnt ruin gameplay design

mortal kernel
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I meaaan

dusk robin
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I fully agree with user

mortal kernel
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You cant make new companies anymor

dusk robin
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The community is driven by what people create

spiral crater
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cuz so many got accepted

sonic trellis
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In my honest opinion
Literally half of the companies probably need to be removed
Based on the fact that they literally have nothing
Absolutely zadda content

spiral crater
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theres alot of communities that need weeding out imo

mortal kernel
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Too many imo

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Trim it down and reopen

spiral crater
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only a handful of companies should stay tbh

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cuz most of the

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them

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arent even active anymore

mortal kernel
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Never used

sonic trellis
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And then we make companies actually important instead of just lore filler

cyan sparrow
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ss13/14 always had a too much lore that has nothing to do with the gameplay sort of thing going on

spiral crater
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this could be solved if there was like monthly quotas for companies like ensuring the popularity of them are semi active and they actually have some kind of content ingame or at least regular updates

cyan sparrow
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ppl writing full wikis for shit that's not relevant to the gameplay in any way

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maybe a symptom of too many chefs in the kitchen instead of a unified vision

spiral crater
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thats when i hate it

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like species lore is cool i can larp with it

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that impacts me

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but some random shit about a group or org thats not even featured in any way

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is such a waste

mortal kernel
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Truth

sonic trellis
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You know what I'm gonna make a suggestion to kick this all off

Obliterate unmaintained companies
From existence and justify it in Lore as they sat on their money and died hoarding it

spiral crater
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honestly if the lore team actually did more i think companies would get looked at more often

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i havent seen them move an inch

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for awhile

mortal kernel
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Like the hive company (my goat) has interesting premise but is overall kinda dogshit and the maker doesnt even play anymore (hasnt typed in disc in 3 monts lmao)

cyan sparrow
spiral crater
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they SHOULD have been handling companies more but they kind of vanished

spiral crater
sonic trellis
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In my opinion if the lore team had actual power in doing something
They could have actually made the lore connect to gameplay

But everyone was like lore nerds should have no say

spiral crater
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they literally havent even tried

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last time they tried it was just mass accepting companies

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and then they got silenced by the maints

cyan sparrow
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deus ex is amazing because u can go around and read news bulletins and emails and it's like yep i've seen hints of this shit in the level design

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and conversations inside the game

sonic trellis
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What I say is weed out the current lore Council
And replace them with active
And thoughtful participants that can actually meld lore and gameplay!

spiral crater
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paperwork role

cyan sparrow
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vs say e.y.e which is a cool game but all of the text written for the game in similarly styled bulletins have nothing to do with what ur doing

sonic trellis
spiral crater
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they had power

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they could accept or deny peoples concepts

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and even make more impactful lore suggestions

sonic trellis
spiral crater
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but because the serever as a whole fell though

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it didnt even matter

spiral crater
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actual takes that reach the important people

sonic trellis
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Honestly we should revamp the whole discord server
Make it actually serious

spiral crater
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it just needs some organizing

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it doesnt need revamps

sonic trellis
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We also need guidelines for what to suggest what to make and how to implement

spiral crater
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and even then it can get lost

sonic trellis
spiral crater
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or where to put it

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like ever

sonic trellis
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Like I'm trying to gauge with what the server wants
Because it's unserious but then people are like this is a serious game and werewolves don't fit

And then they're like lore nerds should not be adding anything because gameplay above all Else!

Even though my suggestion for werewolves was to make them the actually enjoyable game mode

cyan sparrow
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werewolves might fit vanilla space station but probably not this server

sonic trellis
cyan sparrow
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see that's the thing the tone is all over the place

olive gale
spiral crater
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ask wynn

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im not explaining all of it

mild sun
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Think about the gear and ships they'll have access to

mild sun
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@olive gale
Their armour will have multiple benefits, be on par with factions, have unique weapons and upgraded Hypos, access to extremely powerful ships

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People will abuse it constantly, we either whitelist them now or they eventually get whitelisted anyway

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Imo

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So many idiots will attempt to play responder to power fantasy and abuse their rules/loopholes if it isn't whitelisted

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"oh they didn't listen to me" and then the admin finds out they lied and they killed them for no reason

olive gale
hallow canopy
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aw hell, i cant do the ATU custom ship anyone

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im so sorry

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life just got so busy and i don't have time to do it anymore

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my apologies

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weird, i cant seem to ping jester

dusk robin
hallow canopy
mild sun
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Its just me and Ivy on this project now tbh

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and some small help from others

hallow canopy
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gotcha gotcha

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i apologize, i cant help with the project anymore

weary wharf
hallow canopy
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tahnk you for understanding

spiral crater
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Future concept i stole from general:
Implant that tracks the users brain and connects to a pinpointer

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So you never get lost

weary wharf
inland lagoon
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it could be a bundle like the tsf tracking dart bundle

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ideally ld like to see ss13 style cloning where you scan ahead of time and can be cloned from database

misty charm
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icould code it

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but it's upgraded

misty charm
mortal kernel
spiral crater
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bread taste better than key